Just a nobody here, and I don&#039;t take either side...just a couple of observations...<br /><br />ZDaemon is [i]undeniably[/i] the goose that lays your golden egg. Without them, you&#039;ll just die the same slow death that they are.<br /><br />Also, by pulling all the &#039;best&#039; players out of public CTF, you [i]undeniably[/i] put another nail in the already fading public CTF coffin, whether you all realize it or not. You should have implemented a league for all skill levels while ZD was booming and had the players to be interested. Now the newbies have dried up...<br /><br />And we all know what happens to game communities where the newbies dry up, don&#039;t we? How many serious competitive newbies do you see now interested in w/e game mode nowadays?&nbsp;  ;D<br /><br />ZD peaked several years ago. A new version of ZD, Doom4...w/e, will see a surge in interest again, but the golden years of this particular nostalgia niche are over. Enjoy your league while it lasts, imo, the writing is on the wall for both communities.