[quote author=Goatface link=topic=232.msg2048#msg2048 date=1278801126]<br />I don&#039;t really see how any of this could be solved or worsened by franchising, as I would have run into the same problems.&nbsp; I agree that the issue is talented players leaving and not enough new players coming in.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Goat under the franchise system you&#039;d have gotten to franchise and pick 2nd (for your 3rd player) OR pick before everyone and then pick 2nd in the 1st real draft round. This is to say you would have gotten to pick 5 places higher than u did. It would have helped you I think. Lets say...You Hatred and...Mid...Mantis...Saber...Ladna. Certainly a tier up from Quiksilver.<br /><br />[quote author=Sabertooth link=topic=232.msg2049#msg2049 date=1278802649]<br />3. Nostar shut your face, and whats this BSK the front runner shit. Seriously everyone knows you can&#039;t win with just two players. Jen and Stall have got their hands full with Legion who needs chances to get better and Myself whose connection is like trying to jump off a moving train and go through a hoop the sizes of a quarter.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually I didn&#039;t think you guys were great. I still think you&#039;re not great. I do think that a lot of onlookers thought you guys were the strongest team though. And....YOU SHUT YOUR FACE!<br /><br />To be honest I agree with what you said mostly and think 3v3 promotes a narrow view of CTF and tends to keep IDL stagnant. Franchising doesn&#039;t exactly support players that refuse to play with some capatins. It supports more control from the playerbase in team building, but really you faggots just need to learn how to play. Like Fast and Ralph have pointed out, teams are equally as uneven franchise or no franchise. The best players win. Play to win or be okay with losing.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=232.msg2050#msg2050 date=1278803877]<br />So I guess in short if newer players wanted to play and experience IDL, franchising would potentially ruin their chance of doing so. It is fun to talk and work together with people on a team and win some and lose some.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is the best and only valid argument I&#039;ve heard so far against franchising. I personally prefer an extremely stacked league of veteran players. That isn&#039;t the consensus and I&#039;m fine with that. I just have to voice my opinion that franchising kept more players playing and coming back to play again. If the league is focused on expanding rapidly, by all means do a draft system. As you&#039;re seeing the players doing well last season are doing similarly well. It&#039;s just a lower level of play all together, which I view as a bad thing.<br /><br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=232.msg2047#msg2047 date=1278798801]<br />Xenaero says something and posts a pick<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Shut up Xen. Try very hard not to blow it with Ralph picks map22 or map32 as his homefield. Practice, make white D and GRIND!<br /><br />God this is where Fast starts posting. How many wrong things can I quote.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Says some things about grudges<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Stay on topic<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Fast talks about how almost quitting twice in a row is justified<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re a baby and a bad sport.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Fast misses what Ladna was saying completely and references some thing that never happened about Whiteboy.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Wow the syphilis has rotted your brain!<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Fast talks about something interested in replacing all captains<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I actually mentioned something to this affect last week to Ralph. Also I wasn&#039;t a captain last season. You&#039;re dumb.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br />Yes and we would have drafted Xray and won anyway. That is because Fast quitting our team wouldn&#039;t have tanked us Tai. Because Ralph had a player he choose and could rely on. Franchising stabilizing teams that way is a point I tried to make. You are very dense.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />I like how you argue over things happening like they facts such as SPE being awesome with Fast, Mortal, Dew, and Nero or SUC winning no doubt with XRay.&nbsp; I think the fact Ralphis got XRay so quick and easy just shows how certain captains control and can work the system in their favor.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Work the system? You mean draft a player who is in #idl all the time from free agency? I really don&#039;t know what you think I do that Xen or Tai can&#039;t do. You might have a point if you were to talk about how Ralph picks all the season maps that he likes but drafting a free agent isn&#039;t not gaming the system. It&#039;s THE SYSTEM you queer.<br /><br />Also I&#039;m allowed to assert whatever I want. I&#039;ve been on two league teams with mortal, one with nero, one with dewww and one with you. I actually might be the BEST judge of how that team would work together, I could even predict how you&#039;re be a total pussy and quit on them, because you tried to do that on me last season! You are again, dense.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Nostar you should try playing as a player sometime in the IDL again and see how you feel if a captain betrays you.&nbsp; Didn&#039;t that happen to you one season already?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I was a player my rookie season, and last season. 33% of my seasons have been as a player actually. You should try playing as a captain more and maybe accept some of the responsibility of making a team good or bad. <br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Some captains and players have a lot of influence in the IDL.&nbsp; Tai is not one of them.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Talk more about this influence. I like clandestine bullshit. What incorrect thing do you think happened?<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Fast talks about my luck in getting good players<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I have had as draft choices...Kandykid, Caboose, Nero, Gyrossman, Mortal, Mikehail, Mid and Collision on my team. I&#039;m very smart, very good and very little of it has to do with luck.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Fast talks about how Jkist didn&#039;t try on SPE<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Statistically he had way better frag ratio and cap ratio than you. I mean if he wasn&#039;t trying then you blow ass maybe. I think he tried as much as anyone in IDL tries. It&#039;s actually a little asinine of you to accuse him of anything since you quit that team.<br /><br />On another note, EVERYONE plays better for me. I&#039;m a better captain than everyone and I have really good ideas about where people belong.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2055#msg2055 date=1278823056]<br />Fast complains about playing on a team with White and Chain and somehow losing. Lots of crying.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You should just play public. No grinding or strategy or positions. It&#039;s a blast. While you&#039;re at it, go fuck yourself. It&#039;s no one&#039;s fault but you&#039;re own you couldn&#039;t flag with chain against me and potent. Spawn D must have gotten you :)<br /><br />ON TO TAI!<br /><br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=232.msg2057#msg2057 date=1278824716]<br />The only way I can see franchising helping Ghost pick a better 4th player than he did is if someone picked someone real crappy for a franchise, opening up the opportunity for said good 4th players to still be on the board when he needs that good insurance player on his side. [/quote]<br /><br />Okay, so instead of Josh last season, Denny had bones. You don&#039;t see how franchising would have helped him have a better and more self-sufficient team? You&#039;re a fucking moron.<br /><br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=232.msg2057#msg2057 date=1278824716]<br />You call me dense, yet you fail to see the only reason I mentioned that is because you talked about looking at Fast bailing on the Euros and joining you and Ralphis as proof you play better with the people you&#039;re comfortable with.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I actually used that as an example of Ralph having someone (in myself) that he could rely on for a franchise when something didn&#039;t work out, like Fast being a total jew. It&#039;s an example of how, if fast was a franchise player (like with SPE) he ruined a team, whereas since Ralph choose a good and reliable franchise player, he was not given the opportunity to ruin a team. I will not further explain.<br /><br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=232.msg2057#msg2057 date=1278824716]<br />So wait, were you trying to make a point, or did you just want to bash me cause I dare had the audacity to argue your points?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Argue away. You are very very very dumb and I like to take 30 minutes out of my day to keep the black man down.<br /><br />