[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />Just a nobody here, and I don&#039;t take either side...just a couple of observations...[/quote]<br /><br />I doubt you are a nobody cause anyone who posts on this forum is usually pretty cool.&nbsp; Do you ever play private CTF?&nbsp; ;D<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]You should have implemented a league for all skill levels while ZD was booming and had the players to be interested. Now the newbies have dried up...[/quote]<br /><br />I agree with you in theory but the lower skilled players are ass because they have no dedication like nostar said.&nbsp; Even if you make a league for them it won&#039;t work that well.&nbsp; Look at ZDDL Div 4.&nbsp; I don&#039;t have the exact stats but I&#039;d guess it has something like 30-50% forfeit rate and that&#039;s in duel.&nbsp; The IDDL has severe problems with attendance but I also think part of that was the fact the teams were ridiculously lopsided.<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]And we all know what happens to game communities where the newbies dry up, don&#039;t we? How many serious competitive newbies do you see now interested in w/e game mode nowadays?&nbsp;  ;D[/quote]<br /><br />It dies of course but even to my surprise the IDL has been fairly strong over the years.&nbsp; Over 80 players have come and gone not couting the 40-50 that signed up this season.&nbsp; So while the talent peak of IDL might be in the past the player numbers are still respectable.&nbsp; Hopefully it&#039;ll hit 10-12 teams again.&nbsp; Of course it goes without saying the IDL would be even more successful if the ZDaemon team did their all to help out.