[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />ZDaemon is [i]undeniably[/i] the goose that lays your golden egg. Without them, you&#039;ll just die the same slow death that they are.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t think you know what that means. You should read Aesop&#039;s actual fable or at the very least the wiki that explains it.<br /><br />I would draw your attention back to the &quot;without them&quot;&nbsp; comment. If this is with them I don&#039;t even know what you mean when you say without them. Do you mean if they never wrote ZDaemon? They have done their very best to ostracize us, insult us publicly, censor our posts and belittle our efforts. <br /><br />So yes, I supposed IDL in it&#039;s current form wouldn&#039;t exist without zdaemon. But you can&#039;t at all say that they &quot;lay our golden egg&quot;. If any poor use of that analogy must be used, we would be the ones that lay their golden egg. As we retain players for longer and keep competitive play alive in zdaemon. It otherwise does not exist, in North America at least (yes i saw you coming dewww).<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />Also, by pulling all the &#039;best&#039; players out of public CTF, you [i]undeniably[/i] put another nail in the already fading public CTF coffin, whether you all realize it or not. You should have implemented a league for all skill levels while ZD was booming and had the players to be interested. Now the newbies have dried up...<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think it&#039;s fair to say that IDL poaches players from zdaemon, and it&#039;s also fair to say that we&#039;re not poaching them to do anything except PLAY MORE ZDAEMON. Then again there isn&#039;t anything to say that just because you play in IDL you can&#039;t play on public zdaemon server...unless you&#039;re ralphis. I see many players currently and formerly in IDL playing on public servers from time to time. As for the skill level factor, we actually attempted a development league a few seasons back. It failed for probably a lot of reasons, not the least of which is that people who aren&#039;t that good at this game aren&#039;t good because they&#039;re not active enough. The reason the skill level of IDL is high is because the people who participate play, or have played, a lot. I still think it would be nice to have a B-league and lobbied for one this year actually. It may happen yet!