[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1591#msg1591 date=1267297891]<br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />For me quitting that one season it was due to bs like this&nbsp; (i.e. Ralphis magically instating the rule [b]AFTER[/b] the draft that teams must have 4 players). Screwing with the board is essentially how I was able to join after the deadline anyways.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I agree that changing the rules after the fact is gay.&nbsp; It&#039;s stuff like this that the administration tries to avoid, but we don&#039;t always succeed.<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Unrelated to my JEWelery, if you don&#039;t see the rigging first hand you would make a great Congressman. Franchising was meant to keep certain guys winning all the time.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />How would you know?&nbsp; You weren&#039;t around when franchising was being discussed, so I assume you&#039;re referring to the results of franchising.&nbsp; Here&#039;s the Masterbowl matchups for Seasons 5 and 6:<br /><br />Super Chargers (Nostar, Potentpotables, JKist3, Cheez-It) vs. Flag Steelers (Ralphis, Oath, Gilgamesh, Iceykiller)<br />Super Chargers (Nostar, Potentpotables, JKist3, Gyrossman) vs. Brokeback Cowboys (Mantis-X, ItalianStallion, METALBLACK, DeathBRinger)<br /><br />So far only 1 admin has made it (Mantis wasn&#039;t a board member in Season 6).&nbsp; Ralphis, Gilgamesh and Potent all have Masterbowl rings from before the Franchise era.&nbsp; Nostar and Potent were on the successful DSP and WAD teams together.&nbsp; Mantis-X was part of the formidable TXT and TCM squads, and METALBLACK was on the famous perfect-season PAK.&nbsp; It looks like these players don&#039;t really need help winning.&nbsp; In fact, if you look at IDL, you start to get the feeling that some players are just better at this game than others.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s true or not, but I don&#039;t really see how franchising has changed anything.&nbsp; Strong players go far.<br /><br />Furthermore, strong players teamed up long before the franchise era.&nbsp; As mentioned before, Nostar &amp; Potent played together for 4 straight seasons.&nbsp; Ralphis &amp; Humanbones played together on CTB, you and Shakal were briefly on the same team, Chaindude and METALBLACK were on PAK together, and so on.&nbsp; In fact in a way, you are right.&nbsp; We thought that pairing players up that were strong or had good chemistry (or at least didn&#039;t hate each other) would result in stronger teams and better competition.&nbsp; I think that we&#039;re mostly right about that.&nbsp; If teams avoid connection and attendance problems, they generally compete well.<br /><br />And finally, look at the players that teamed up in the franchise era:<br /><br />Tai/METALBLACK, Tai/Cookies, Tai/Mikehail*<br />Xenaero/Doomguy, Xenaero/Sabertooth, Xenaero/midian<br />Nostar/Potent, Nostar/Potent, Ralphis/Nostar<br />Chain/Whiteboy, Doomguy/Shadow_Ghost*, Doomguy/Jenova*<br /><br />Humanbones/midian, Humanbones/midian, Shakal/Cha0tix<br />Killingblair/Mikehail*, Nero/JKist*, Shadow_Ghost/Humanbones<br />Sabertooth/Caboose, Mantis-X/ItalianStallion, Mantis-X/ItalianStallion<br />Ralphis/Oath, Ralphis/RottKing, Ladna/Whiteboy*<br /><br />[i]* not a franchise[/i]<br /><br />Of all these matchups, here&#039;s the ones that made it to the conference finals:<br /><br />Nostar/Potent vs. Chain/Whiteboy<br />Humanbones/midian (and Ladna) vs. Ralphis/Oath<br /><br />Xenaero/Sabertooth vs. Nostar/Potent<br />Humanbones/midian (and mikehail) vs. Mantis-X/ItalianStallion<br /><br />The only admin members who made it (over two seasons) were Bones, me, Ralphis and Mike.&nbsp; All this is to say that if we enacted franchising so we could create super teams that won everything, then we seriously failed... so no problem then!&nbsp; It&#039;s also worth mentioning that the only duos that stuck together for more than one season are Nostar/Potent, Humanbones/midian, and Mantis-X/ItalianStallion.&nbsp; 3 out of 16 possible matchups isn&#039;t what I would call a concerted effort to keep certain teams winning all the time.<br /><br />The administration&#039;s actions this season run counter to your argument as well.&nbsp; Mantis, Denny, Goatface and I wouldn&#039;t want a strong BSK, so why would we allow a (quite strong actually) duo of Shakal and Cha0tix on it?&nbsp; Mikehail &amp; Ralphis wouldn&#039;t want a strong DMR, and furthermore they had a few games against WDC teams, so why would we want to put LordBritish on that team?<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Got people talkin&#039; about how they don&#039;t want anymore crippled games but wouldn&#039;t hesitate to have &#039;em if it meant their team would win. ::)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Haha, I have no class, it is true.&nbsp; On the other hand, why should I punish my team because my opponents can&#039;t get their act together?&nbsp; Why shouldn&#039;t I take advantage of an easy win for my team?&nbsp; In fact, whenever we face a team that can&#039;t get 3 players on, I ask my team what they want to do.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good policy to force players to do things they don&#039;t want to do, but personally I don&#039;t have a problem with 3v2.&nbsp; I guess I should say that my team has a lot more class than I do, and so far has refused to 3v2 other teams.<br /><br />From a league administration standpoint though, it&#039;s clear that 3v2 isn&#039;t helpful to the league, so we&#039;re most likely going to require that teams get 3 players together.<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />And yes, DMR got a better team in my eyes and Shak is lucky I was jewed in but I feel DD&#039;s team should have been handled better than it was.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />How?&nbsp; Should we have given them LB instead of letting them trade Collision to free agency for Strangle?&nbsp; Then what would we have done with DMR?&nbsp; I mean, I admit that not inviting British into the league was a big mistake; it was a miscommunication actually, and when it was realized it was too late.&nbsp; In fact, I&#039;m glad that he&#039;s gotten a chance to play on DMR.&nbsp; And I also feel bad that Xen&#039;s had such a crappy season, and is kind of getting dumped on in this thread.&nbsp; He&#039;s a solid captain and player, and he does his best for his teams without expecting handouts.&nbsp; Let&#039;s not forget his stellar showing last season, when he&nbsp; (and Sabertooth/Collision) only lost to SUC on their gay MAP08 stronghold.<br /><br />Anyway, no matter what we did this season, a team was screwed.&nbsp; It&#039;s not like we decided that team was going to be EBL, and it&#039;s not like we like the other teams more than we like the players on EBL.&nbsp; It&#039;s just the way things ended up.&nbsp; To me, the only reasonable alternative would&#039;ve been to strictly adhere to the rules, but then maybe more people would be saying things like:<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Also the board seems pretty spineless now that I think about them too.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />To be honest, I can&#039;t think of anything that the administration does that really requires &quot;spine&quot; so to speak.&nbsp; Maybe enforcement of the rules.&nbsp; I am kind of spineless in that regard, I usually leave the dirty work to Ralphis :) .<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />The reason being DMR and BSK got better results due to some buttfuckery.<br /><br />Going &quot;out on a limb&quot; to help doesn&#039;t mean its fair.&nbsp; ;)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t even know what this means.&nbsp; All of us in the administration helped these teams out to the detriment to our own teams.&nbsp; And are you in favor of fairness, or are you in favor of &quot;buttfuckery&quot; to help teams out?&nbsp; Because if you didn&#039;t want us to help BSK out, then you could easily have not joined.&nbsp; Anyway, the only thing we got in return for our actions was a stronger league and happier players.&nbsp; There were no reacharounds, heh.<br /><br />On the other hand, I&#039;d like to think that if we address the issues you&#039;ve brought up in some way that you&#039;ll entertain the idea of playing in IDL in the future.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[quote]Ladna says some mean things about other players[/quote]<br /><br />Don&#039;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t have anything against anyone.&nbsp; But when we&#039;re evaluating who would be a good captain, here are things we look for:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Do they have experience in IDL[/li]<br />[li]Can they reasonably lead a team, or can they get advice from someone who will help them[/li]<br />[li]Have they screwed us before[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />I don&#039;t think that captains try and mess IDL up, and I don&#039;t want to imply that they do.&nbsp; But we&#039;d be remiss if we didn&#039;t take captains quitting former teams into consideration.&nbsp; I&#039;m sorry if you guys feel like you were attacked, but all of the things I said were true.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying that anyone&#039;s done anything wrong, but when we&#039;re considering potential captains we have to use past actions as potential future behavior.&nbsp; That said, whenever anyone captains we&#039;re honestly grateful; especially when they take over teams that are failing, or a team that did well in the previous season and consequently has a low pick.&nbsp; It&#039;s no accident that the majority of admins are also captains; it basically ends up that we can&#039;t get anyone else to do it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t remember who was and wasn&#039;t in favor of Nero captaining, but I remember that when he quit I wished he didn&#039;t, because now we had to find someone who wanted to captain SPE.&nbsp; Getting captains on board is easily the hardest part of getting a season together.<br /><br />I&#039;d be extremely happy if all the captains and players returned next season.&nbsp; I&#039;ve had a good time playing with you all.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Anyway, I split this thread off again because it was getting heated.&nbsp; Rant and rave away.&nbsp; Booooo Ladna!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/25g80pc.jpg[/img]<br /><br />Legitimate reply coming after some Cliff&#039;s Notes.