[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854][quote]---<br />&lt;Xen`-`&gt; I hope you all board people intend to reply to chow&#039;s topic<br />..<br />&lt;Mass&gt; probably not<br />---[/quote][/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m glad you had this opportunity to learn about what [i]probability[/i] means.<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]I&#039;m probably more vocal than anyone else when it comes to IDL.[/quote]<br /><br />There is no font size large enough for me to write out laugh text that appropriately characterizes my response to this remark.&nbsp; You are positively delusional.&nbsp; Some candidates for this title might be me, Ladna, Xen, Hatred, Fastidious, maybe Ralphis.&nbsp; Not you.<br /><br />Here is every single other thread in the IDL DISCUSSION forum.&nbsp; I have put an asterisk next to every thread in which you participated, accompanied by a quote of what you said:<br /><br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=545.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=537.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=541.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=528.0<br />* http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=530.0<br />[quote]DE Texas was nice but I&#039;d rather roll with something in Kansas or Nebraska. Omaha would probably be better for hosting as it is a bigger city than anything in KS but both are visually the most central in the US.<br /><br />You won&#039;t ping that much greater if you already ping good in the Midwest. EC will take a slight jump (one extra city hop?) and West Coasters can get some breathing room. It&#039;s probably the best sweet/shit return. Midwest will probably get like 40, East Coast like 60, and West ~60-70 with the generous locations. Texas players might have it good but who knows, could be a little far up North for them to have anything REALLY low.<br /><br />No one should ping too low and no one will ping too high from the American standpoint.[/quote]<br />* http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=515.0<br />[quote]Team Discovery Channel![/quote]<br />* http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=522.0<br />[quote]Damn. Just... wow... I mean did he have to do Fast like that...[/quote]<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=514.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=517.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=520.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=519.0<br />* http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=504.0<br />[quote]Good. We had to suffer through years of pub, Mexicans, and stacked teams of aliases. They should earn their battle scars the same way we did by the sufferings provided by pub.<br /><br />Ban them all, let DUI sort them out.[/quote]<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=510.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=511.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=494.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=490.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=489.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=460.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=472.0<br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=452.0<br /><br />As you can see, you don&#039;t participate that much in IDL discussions.&nbsp; And, when you do, your remarks are brief, flippant, and unhelpful.&nbsp; Entertaining, but unhelpful.<br /><br />And I have no problem with this.&nbsp; Not everybody has to be vocal about the IDL. But the fact is, you aren&#039;t.&nbsp; You are a lot of things, Chow: funny, great at doom, a latent hispanic, but verbose and participatory are not two of them.<br /><br />If I did this exercise for any of the people I listed above, my post would be deleted for spam because we have all made significant contributions to IDL discussion.<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]I do remember that time, and alot of people were totally unaware about the trade fiasco that amounted to that idea.[/quote]<br /><br />No, every relevant event was listed in those threads about trading.&nbsp; You just didn&#039;t read them because you don&#039;t participate in IDL discussions.<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]I&#039;m not trying to put it as a &quot;ME ME ME&quot; sort of thing[/quote]<br /><br />But I think you are.&nbsp; The FACT is that most players DON&#039;T like map07.&nbsp; A few of them do, but most of them don&#039;t.&nbsp; It is usually 15 minutes of 0-0 camping and grinding.&nbsp; Most players DO like map14.&nbsp; A few of them don&#039;t, but most of them do, which is why it still gets picked every priv.&nbsp; Map07 never got picked in priv, and when it did, it was often a troll pick, and priv often ended right afterward or even beforehand.&nbsp; Cha0tix, [b]I[/b] don&#039;t like map14--I think it is for victims of FAS--but I voted to keep it in the wad because, based on my many discussions with different players (ones that eagerly signed up for this season!), I have gathered that most players want it in.&nbsp; I&#039;m sorry that you didn&#039;t get your way?<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]the forum can be a more powerful tool. It is just underplayed in how great it can be...<br /><br />I think the newly emphasized focus on the forum can garner more formal discussions about IDL as opposed to the dickwaving we all love to partake in on IRC.[/quote]<br /><br />1. You don&#039;t use the forums.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure you plan to change that.&nbsp; If that happens, and you give us real suggestions, and afterwards we don&#039;t listen to you, then you will have a reason to make this sort of thread.<br /><br />2. So, when you say you&#039;re vocal about the IDL, you MUST mean that you whine a lot about the board&#039;s decisions in #idl, or worse, #dixangels.&nbsp; But the board doesn&#039;t (at least I don&#039;t) read [i]all of[/i] the &quot;dickwaving&quot; going on in #idl for player feedback for just the reasons you said.&nbsp; We read the forums.<br /><br />3. Did you just complain about shady PM&#039;s and then post logs that were PM&#039;d to you from #idlb?&nbsp; Or were you there.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Here is my main point of satisfaction on the map selections: In all of these whiny discussions with their obnoxious ad hominem pseudo criticisms of the board&#039;s months of hard work to select new maps, not one single person has suggested one single map to be included.&nbsp; Not Fastidious, Ralphis, you, Jenova, anybody.&nbsp; Collision told me to look at one of his CC maps (we did), and Whiteboy urged us to look at ProCTF (we did, and are probably using one of the maps).&nbsp; Neither of them complained, however.&nbsp; Out of everybody who complained, nobody just said, &quot;Hey, you should include ZDUCTF Map12.&nbsp; Yeah, it&#039;s a blast.&quot; (It is.)<br /><br />If you have any suggestions or proposals at all, we are and have always been eagerly listening.&nbsp; Do you?<br />