It is now apparent more than ever that the league and ZD won&#039;t come to any sort of &quot;live and let live&quot; agreement in the public eye, and that&#039;s completely fine. The only reason I even bothered to try this is because IIRC people in the yoyo threads (especially some from here) mentioned that they would like for IDL to take place on public servers. [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=179.msg1584#msg1584]I&#039;ve been wanting for the league to get public exposure for a while now[/url] and offered a couple basic ideas on how Ralphis could still play while having a decent amount of exposure on the ZD master, however this didn&#039;t pan out for whatever reason.<br /><br />The league is doing fine as it is, but it was only that things took a turn for the nasty when people went over to the ZD forums trying to somehow connect ZD&#039;s activity level to Ralphis being banned/unbanned. That&#039;s a nice gesture, but you should have known no good was going to come out of that argument. Later on, the crybaby squad was in full swing retaliating over the loss of a thread by posting:<br /><br />[quote]really, we love to be assfucked by kilgore and the other guys, they do it every night, we&#039;re zd cum sluts![/quote]<br /><br />Yeah, funny for about a second, but it reeks of RFA &quot;humor&quot; right after they get raped or don&#039;t get their way.<br /><br />It was a good effort at first--to try and raise the issue of IDL becoming advertised/offer ideas for ZD growth/etc. in those yoyo threads, but thanks to some ZDrama-loving emos (Jamie and Quik mostly), the shit hit the fan quite quickly and repeatedly, even after being warned. Feeling strongly about an issue is one thing, and it can be good in some cases, but losing your composure while representing a group of players (i.e. IDL) puts everyone in the shitter--not just you.<br /><br />I suppose it was for the above reasons that earlier in the week, while advertising a friendly 2v2 TDM priv on #zdplayers just once, I get a swift and sudden PM from Raider himself asking me [b]not[/b] to advertise game servers on their IRC network that aren&#039;t listed on the master list. Fair enough, but now I&#039;m assuming the IDL won&#039;t even have an IRC presence (this means no inviting players via PM or in other channels) and the threads on the ZD forums at the start/end of each season will likely get no love whatsoever.<br /><br />Some stuff I&#039;d like to clear up:<br /><br />[quote]&lt;Ralphis&gt;	Chaindude&#039;s explanation is BS anyway, I tipped my hand in the creation of IDL to help collapse the economy of Greece<br />&lt;Ralphis&gt;	It was a precalculated butterfly effect sort of thing[/quote]<br /><br />You can say anything you want about the creation of the IDL because practically everything around its inception is water under the bridge now that the league has &quot;made it.&quot; I quite remember a battered-yet-humble Ralphis coming to me about a league idea where people can get good while becoming friends. Now, if you are admitting to being a two-face, that&#039;s okay but don&#039;t go around passing judgment on other people for what you consider to be some &quot;unfair exile&quot; from ZD by the &quot;[b]hypocritical[/b], heavy-handed ZD administration!&quot;<br /><br />I guess I can also say whatever I want about IDL&#039;s creation, like it was born out of UD getting ragdolled by DX at will and that I felt pity upon you when you came to me about the league, so I let it happen so you and your buddies could get some target practice. It&#039;s perhaps a bit harsh, but far more realistic than your &quot;I&#039;ll-give-myself-far-too-much-credit&quot; version that you were trying to mastermind the death of ZD. If you had moved the league to Skulltag or Odamex, then your statement would have more weight. Actually, I don&#039;t know that much of what you say has any credence, because:<br /><br />[quote=Ralphis]I sent Kilgore an apology email a few years ago (where I never asked or even hinted that I wanted to be unbanned) just on principle, but his heart burns with black hatred.[/quote]<br /><br />...Why send an apology e-mail to &quot;the black devil&quot; if you were not in the wrong? It just doesn&#039;t add up with who you are--or at least, with who you make yourself out to be.<br /><br />One final thing:<br /><br />[quote]&lt;Ralphis&gt;	Maybe that&#039;s to Chaindude&#039;s dismay since he likely had to twist a lot of balls to get that post out of Kilgore[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s not to my dismay that Kilgore&#039;s post doesn&#039;t go hand-in-hand with the IDL&#039;s plans now and in the future. What&#039;s disappointing to me is that people are hard-headed (that goes for both sides). I have tried and will continue to find ways for IDL and ZD to get along, but just because I don&#039;t see progress right away, I won&#039;t throw myself and others under the bus by making stupid decisions.<br /><br />There seem to be a lot of misconceptions about the way I try to mediate and talk to people. The basic rule I follow is to treat others as you would want to be treated. Here&#039;s an example:<br /><br />[quote]&lt;DX_Chain&gt;	hey btw<br />&lt;DX_Chain&gt;	don&#039;t you think it would be a nice gesture to let people know that you weren&#039;t 100% right on the idl thing on the forums? (after what i explained in PM)<br />&lt;DX_Chain&gt;	my pov is just that i dont think there should be such bad blood between people<br />&lt;DX_Chain&gt;	for misunderstandings like that<br />&lt;Kilgore&gt;	ok<br />&lt;Kilgore&gt;	i&#039;m not going to make inflammatory posts<br />&lt;Kilgore&gt;	i&#039;ll acknowledge the error about the creation of idl<br />&lt;Kilgore&gt;	and i&#039;ll also state publicly what i told you yesterday[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s hardly a twist of balls IMO.<br /><br />I know that some people might have wanted Kilgore to post a public apology and have him cry on his knees, but what can I say? Things take time, and after some of the ZDrama from the yoyo threads during his vacation, I don&#039;t blame him for being strong-willed.<br /><br />Patience is a virtue.<br />