[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]Personally the IDL goal as I said should be 12 teams and player base growth.&nbsp; Do everyone realize how short the league is on players now?&nbsp; If you take away the European players we have a surplus of one fucking player.&nbsp; Why is the IDL so fucking exclusive now?[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t feel like this is because of invite lists but rather a changing in the guard of community leaders, and I&#039;m not talking about board members in this instance. When IDL had its most player sign ups in 2008, I would attribute most of this to vigorous campaigning by the likes of you and, especially Chaindude, in various parts of the community. We now have top players and people that carry clout that, instead of encouraging new players to join our community, berate new players in priv, refuse to let them play, ban them, and humiliate them in front of everybody they possibly can. <br /><br />These types of attitudes are not helpful when you&#039;re trying to bring new players in. You can say they need to get thicker skin, but if you&#039;re one of the people doing this, maybe you just need to [i]stop being an asshole[/i].&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]In past seasons we had a larger community, no fucking invite lists, and no fucking suspended players list.&nbsp; We should be inclusive!&nbsp; Are we trying to rival the ZDaemon mentality with banning people or what?&nbsp; If you don&#039;t give people a chance they won&#039;t be able to disappoint you this is true, but they also won&#039;t be able to surprise you.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]I got fed up last time I tried to help with the IDL because no one(OK mainly Ralphis) wanted to try anything different.&nbsp; What the IDL is doing is what it has been doing since the beginning more or less.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather the IDL take some risks and try to get some more players SOMEHOW.&nbsp; If it blows up in our faces, then we just go back to the traditional IDL format.[/quote]<br /><br />What type of risks do you suggest we take? Instead of complaining that we don&#039;t take enough risks, tell us what type of risks you would take to get the league back to [b]12 competitive teams[/b]. I, and I assume quite a few others, are interested in hearing your thoughts on the subject.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]The ZDDL has ~57 players which is quite a bit more than the IDL now. The ZDDL is inclusive and lets anyone sign up.&nbsp; Instead of arguing over petty bullshit we should be asking ourselves why the league is shrinking each season.[/quote]<br /><br />The ZDDL is also plagued with inactivity, players openly not wanting to play their games or care, and corruption arguably far worse than anything the IDL has. They even let people alias in their league. You think we&#039;ve got problems?<br /><br />Oh, did I mention that this past season, the [url=http://www.cdevastation.com/zddl/index.php?league=1&amp;season=10&amp;op=lstats]ZDDL had a 35% forfeiture rate on their games[/url]? That&#039;s over 1/3 in games not played, and that league only requires two people to get together for a game, not six. Let me push my point even further, that&#039;s [b]195 of 557 games that did not get played[/b]. <br /><br />The IDL may have issues, but to point to another league that is clearly not even in the same realm as the IDL when it comes to player management is absurd.