Arguing on the forums is much more fun than playing Doom, unless it&#039;s coop.<br /><br />If I cared enough I could probably find a few examples but I don&#039;t care enough to sort through a bunch of demos since it&#039;d take forever.&nbsp; I will say this to dew, 3v1 almost never happens at mid on 13.&nbsp; Good O there avoids mid at all costs and tries to sneak into the base so they can maintain 200/200.&nbsp; They don&#039;t want to get into a 1v1 let alone a 2v1.&nbsp; Fighting at mid is retarded for your O there.&nbsp; Often taking the lifts/tele to avoid a frontal attack vs good mid is the way to go there as O, since it usually avoids enemy mid completely.&nbsp; Dew you are prone to hyperbole.&nbsp; Even if the mid guy can completely dominate mid he isn&#039;t going to be able to attack up into the base vs plasma d, and respawners.&nbsp; Guys with 200/200 and plasma still fail quite a bit.<br /><br />Stealing 4-5 blue armors a match is asking too much?&nbsp; Just because Doom players can&#039;t time items or often don&#039;t doesn&#039;t mean you can&#039;t do it.&nbsp; Quake players, who are metronomes in comparison, manage much more difficult tasks.