[quote author=nostar link=topic=544.msg5484#msg5484 date=1322631862]<br />I&#039;d like some evidence for the shady PM deals over votes and rules.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]<br />I really don&#039;t have any<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]<br />[b]EDIT: Actually found some logs on my iPod.[/b] And look what we have here, involving you no less. (starred named for privacy concerns&nbsp; ;))[/quote]<br /><br />[quote]Oct 18 20:58:55 &lt;***&gt;	I dont think they will let me play<br />Oct 18 20:59:05 &lt;cha0tix&gt;	why not<br />Oct 18 20:59:07 &lt;***&gt;	so far I am told the board is not in favor<br />Oct 18 20:59:11 &lt;***&gt;	2-1 against me so far<br />Oct 18 20:59:18 &lt;***&gt;	3/5 rules<br />Oct 18 20:59:45 &lt;***&gt;	and I hear ralph can veto<br />Oct 18 20:59:54 &lt;***&gt;	and I hear he will veto me if I get 3<br />Oct 18 21:00:14 &lt;cha0tix&gt;	haha do you have to punk bill apter to get seen in a good light? this doesn&#039;t look good for you<br />Oct 18 21:00:31 &lt;***&gt;	well nostar got mike<br />Oct 18 21:00:34 &lt;***&gt;	he is trying to bribe Denny<br />Oct 18 21:00:44 &lt;***&gt;	and he can pull Ladna&#039;s tail<br />Oct 18 21:00:46 &lt;***&gt;	so I might get 3<br />Oct 18 21:00:57 &lt;***&gt;	but bones and mantis are deadset against me from what I hear<br />Oct 18 21:01:10 &lt;***&gt;	cause they want reliable people I suppose<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The starred out name is Shakal. And this wasn&#039;t a backroom deal. I openly and notoriously lobbied for Shakal to be a captain and further I lobbied for you to be admitted into the player base as a franchise player. I was not a member of the board and I spoke to every board member and the Commisisoner. I was just a player arguing for something that I felt was positive for the league, something I commend you for doing now. I wish, however, that you had something of substance to offer instead of this. The only logs you have are of Shakal telling you what I was doing. I actually made forum posts outlining my position on this. One chow myth debunked, one to go!<br /><br />[quote]Dec 11 20:02:04 &lt;***&gt;	Nostar is blackmailing him<br />Dec 11 20:02:14 *	cha0tix leans in.<br />Dec 11 20:02:15 &lt;***&gt;	He is threatening to quit<br />Dec 11 20:02:24 &lt;***&gt;	cause he hates the board members and new rules[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not sure who the name in this one is but I can reference the situation. There was a season where I was deciding whether or not to play because I didn&#039;t think we had the captains or player base for 12 teams. I didn&#039;t want to play in a watered down league for the sole purpose of expansion. I also don&#039;t think the Toronto Raptors will ever be good. It was hardly blackmail. In a blackmail situation you have to have something I want...I was just thinking about not playing in IDL and not contributing anymore. Another faux backroom deal debunked!<br /><br />There probably have been &quot;shady deals&quot;. I probably have been a part of some. But then again I have only been on the board for 3 months. Before that I was just a player/captain trying to make the league better. And I did. I&#039;m glad you&#039;ve taken up the cause.<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]<br />We&#039;d still need a Fuhrer to kind of steer us in a direction as most leagues do.[/quote]<br /><br />I think we just agreed on something..?<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]<br />So the people who don&#039;t play shouldn&#039;t have as strong opinions as those that do? Someone said it best with &quot;instead of asking what is it going to take to get people who play to sign up, let&#039;s ask those that don&#039;t play what&#039;s it going to take for them to sign up&quot;.[/quote]<br /><br />You missed my point. I&#039;m saying that all opinion are not equal. In a pure democracy they are. I don&#039;t believe that is for the best in this case, or in most cases. I think if we functioned on this paradigm not only would we be stuck in a loop playing map 1/4/8 we would also be subject to the whims of anyone who can rally a strong opposition (Nostar for instance). I wouldn&#039;t put it past that nostar guy, he is a shady dealing motherfucker.<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5489#msg5489 date=1322651854]I see the vocal majority/minority as a great starting point for decision making.[/quote]<br />And as I&#039;ve mentioned, the majority is unorganized, easy to manipulate and overall lazy as a mike.<br /><br />As for the vocal majority, I hope more people post their opinions on here. So far chow&#039;s posts have been crude yet effective. So far the posts have been board members, former board members, the commissioner, former commissioner, Jenova (trolling), Legion, and chow. The vocal majority is a part the current or a past IDL administration right now chow. 