[quote author=Jenova link=topic=762.msg7928#msg7928 date=1355631562]First of all, not having fun was only a part of the problem. I think the majority issue is that Odamex is too different than Zdaemon, which has been the select port of the IDL for [b]six years[/b]. I&#039;m sure these people who have been playing it for that amount of time simply don&#039;t want to re-learn a more buggy version of what they are used to playing.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Godsdoomer]I know that everyone can&#039;t be pleased with the change to oda - me being one of them.[/quote]<br /><br />Here is the big problem that the IDL was faced with:<br /><br />* Nobody really knows what ZDaemon 1.09 would have changed on a whim (since, of course, the developers and administration ignore the IDL).&nbsp; Switching to 1.09 was never really an option.<br />* Odamex has problems and bugs that people aren&#039;t used to.<br />* Zandronum is way way way too different of a port to even consider.<br />* ZDaemon 1.08 is an unmaintained port.&nbsp; Sure, it crashed occasionally, but the bigger elephant in the room was future compatibility issues.&nbsp; If there was ever an issue with a future version of Windows or with certain computer configurations and ZDaemon (like my personal inability to even start 1.08, or the fullscreen moire issues even with whatever command line param you had to use to get the palette to not be garbage), they could basically never be fixed.<br /><br />So there are only two real options here.&nbsp; Continue with ZDaemon 1.08 for a few more seasons, or switch to Odamex.<br /><br />I don&#039;t doubt that perhaps maybe the IDL signup list would have been bigger if the IDL had switched back to ZDaemon 1.08 for this season.&nbsp; However, this is overlooking one very important fact...for every season on ZDaemon, that is tons less playtime that Odamex gets as a result.&nbsp; [b]Many issues with Odamex have been found and fixed precisely because of people investing the amount of time into it that they have.[/b]&nbsp; Heck, Jenova himself has been the catalyst of several changes in 0.6.2 like widescreen support.<br /><br />If the IDL would have ridden ZDaemon 1.08 out until it was no longer a real option, Odamex probably still would not have been a no-complatints replacement right off of the bat.&nbsp; I will be the last to admit that Odamex is a perfect port, but with each release and each game played on it, it gets a little closer.&nbsp; Of course, if players don&#039;t feel like investing in an imperfect port with developers that want to do right by them and get it to that place where they&#039;re comfortable with it, that&#039;s their decision, but it does seem kind of discouraging.