[quote author=Godsdoomer link=topic=762.msg7939#msg7939 date=1355703837]I know that everyone can&#039;t be pleased with the change to oda - me being one of them. The reasons for the move from what Ive heard is that zd was a &quot;dieing&quot; port, and the fact that zd administration wouldn&#039;t give the league the new server clients or whatever they&#039;re called.<br />[/quote]<br />I&#039;m extremely glad to see 1.08 go to hell. I&#039;ve hated it since the night of the forced update(downgrade) from the superior 1.07. No longer do I have to put up with 1.08&#039;s garbage netcode, invisible trees, random client crashes, inability to handle ping spikes, corpse bug, and the amazing feature that breaks map04. The best part is that if 108 had continued to be used, those bugs, which can cost teams a win, would still be rampant with no hope of getting fixed. Why not use 109? After the end of Season XI (earlier this year), there was a dilemma. The ZD administration was only allowing certain hosts to receive the binaries for the then upcoming 109. This meant meant two things: 1) No IDL servers with 109; 2) We had no clue in knowing what 109 would play like. It was left up to a coinflip to either continue with 1.08 or risk a season on Oda.<br /><br />Sure, it was a possibility to run IDL on 108 for a few more years, but I&#039;d rather swallow caltrops than put up with server crashes and client disconnects that completely ruin games. Don&#039;t even suggest using 109 in the future because it&#039;s way worse than 108.<br /><br />I&#039;m not going to lie and say that moving IDL to Oda has ushered in a golden era or that it&#039;s the most fun I&#039;ve ever had in doom (honestly, the most enjoyable time for me was 2005 and 2006). While I had high hopes in the preseason, certain bugs irritated me and things played out differently. However, the experience was satisfactory and although I went berserk over a few bugs and rallied to go back to zd, I filed the bugs and sent Sean demos. I&#039;d rather bitch and have things get fixed rather than bitch endlessly (over 108). <br /><br />[quote=mikefails]I have no interest in playing on odamex either, trying to frame it out as a flawless part of the solution to a problem is just ud hype machine rollin on.[/quote]<br />I think it&#039;s pretty funny that the last time you played Odamex was in 1975 when it was being coded on a notepad.<br /><br />I think the point Ralph was making is that being banned = not being able to get your voice out to the developers. Nostar and Ladna may have been content with 108, but for how much longer? It&#039;s already been established that the shitty, buggy features would never have been fixed. Continuing to use 108 would be akin to approaching a dead end wall. As I said before, don&#039;t even suggest using 109. Also, just for the record, these bans mentioned are unjustifiable bans that span the entire ZD network (irc, forums, servers). Why use a port that&#039;s maintained by an administration that hates your guts and removes your right to voice any opinion that goes against the law? Having to put up with such nonsense makes people want to go off and do their own thing and that&#039;s exactly what a few people did. <br /><br />Yeah, I was impressed with EECS when I played it. But it&#039;s going to be about 25 years before it&#039;s off the ground and a few meters in the air.