Chains points are all pretty valid I think, a lot of the stuff pushing us apart isn&#039;t just a disagreement over principles, its childish actions by some of our own players.&nbsp; Ralphis sort of provides an example that others emulate to do stupid pointless things.&nbsp; Quik is all gung-ho about IDL but I don&#039;t think he even understands half of what is going on here, he is just rebel without a cause.&nbsp; Ralphis himself causes a lot of trouble, it would be nice to think he would change, but I am not really sure its a possibility at this point, or that it would actually be a good thing for the IDL (most of his drama is kept outside of the IDL, he is quite sporting within its confines).<br /><br />Then you have the most worthless of actions cropping up to set any progress we had back even further, namely the &quot;dos&quot; on zdforums by ladna blair xen whoever else?&nbsp; I still am not really sure what that accomplished except to say &quot;we don&#039;t care about Zdaemon anymore and are willing to represent the IDL community as saying that.&quot;&nbsp; Thanks a lot I guess, with that sort of support, who needs friends or enemies!&nbsp; Nobody cares about skulltag, nobody cares about odamex, why can&#039;t you do that silly crap there?&nbsp; Some of us simply want to see the IDL continue to grow and flourish as the premier CTF league in the world, others simply seem to care about getting a cheap laugh or flipping some greek guy they never met the bird.<br /><br />Some of these people aren&#039;t mature enough to return to the community, even if they wanted to.&nbsp; An ideal solution would be for them to allowed public access to ONLY IDL servers but this is probably a bit of an unreasonable request at this point, given the fact that so many of our oldest members cannot act older than bones!&nbsp; I would definitely support having public and private servers, public servers would allow us to draw players in and play matches out in the open to stir up more activity, while private servers can easily be added once players are drawn in for the few matches played with banned participants.<br /><br />Honestly, I wish kilgore would join us at quakenet so he can see just what IDL is all about.&nbsp; Maybe if he sees how professionally our league is run, the dedication to the game he has helped create, he will allow himself to be more open in regards to us.&nbsp; It seems pretty reasonable that growth is not inspired by division, which is what is happening here and I think all concerned should be interested in keeping IDL growing.&nbsp; We might even be one of the largest CTF leagues in north america at the moment, are they running anything this large in ql or any other games?&nbsp; Perhaps we should be a little better at presenting ourselves, how can we draw in any outside players when half of our interactions seem to be poorly thought out arguments that end in some silly overreaction?&nbsp; Perhaps this post is an overreaction I am not sure what I think anymore.<br /><br />Bottom line is, I want to see IDL grow and hopefully become the largest, most successful CTF League in North America and even the entire world one day.&nbsp; In order for this to happen we should make the most out of all of our possibilities to draw in more players and make a bigger name for ourselves.&nbsp; Wouldn&#039;t it be great to join a different game and hear people talking about how awesome the IDL is?&nbsp; We should also adhere to our quality standards as well, because that defines the core of the IDL as we know it and what ultimately makes it such a successful league!<br /><br />also, I like all these (ladna ralph blair xen etc) guys but its hard to agree with how they act at times as I am sure they disagree with how I act at times too!(except quik he sorta dum)&nbsp; <br /><br />Also also, ITDMANIA!!!!!!!!