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	(4878, 505, 20, 1317837482, 213, 4878, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 1317840726, 'MassVC', 'Too many things to quote.<br /><br />First of all, heh, I didn&#039;t mean to raise THOSE 5 questions as quotable topics.&nbsp; Probably none of those will ever happen except for (hopefully) the draft show and (hopefully not) fewer teams.<br /><br />I just wanted to know what would make the league more fun for you in general.&nbsp; As another example (which I am in support of, and which might happen), it has been suggested that we should re-introduce naming your own team.&nbsp; It was hilarious and a lot of fun, and captains can still keep their team name from season to season (or not!).<br /><br />There were two ideas I really liked so far in this thread.&nbsp; One is Josh&#039;s idea about weekly awards (and radio shows and newsfeeds and other IDL hype).&nbsp; We need to get hyped!&nbsp; On the other hand, I share his sentiment that the IDL shouldn&#039;t be hardcore serious.&nbsp; Nobody should be trying to prove anything; we&#039;re just playing fun games for fun.<br /><br />The other was Stallion&#039;s idea about having more shorter seasons.&nbsp; He&#039;s right that the draft and beginning/end of each season is the most fun, and any super-stacked or disaster teams will be short-lived.&nbsp; I would be in favor of having something like 4 6-week seasons a year.&nbsp; That way if you&#039;re gone for a month you can still play in 3/4 seasons instead of missing half a year of IDL.&nbsp; I [i]really[/i] like this idea.<br /><br />And now for some administrative things:<br /><br />We (board/commish) already decided to determine the number of teams after we see how many players sign up and how many want to cap, but I&#039;m glad everybody agrees with this.&nbsp; We would like to have 12 teams if possible so that as many people as possible get to play.&nbsp; If however we do not have enough players (not enough _good_ players, but enough players at all) for 12 teams or there are not 12 willing and responsible captains, then we will be forced to reduce the league back to 8 or 10 teams.<br /><br />We also are committed to making sure demo penalties are strictly enforced this season without exception.&nbsp; I personally don&#039;t think we need to increase the penalties right now to make it more serious, just make sure that the current penalties are enforced.<br /><br />Hopefully we will have more help with demos.&nbsp; As far as I know, Mike and Ralph can continue to help us out, Gilga said he will help, Saber is willing to learn how, I should probably learn how, Lanada has shown back up on the scene, we should be fine.<br /><br />As far as forfeit penalties go, the penalty for not fielding a team [i]is[/i] forfeiture, a guaranteed loss (and win for the other team), which is supposed to be a deterrent.&nbsp; Since this is automatically enforced and apparently still isn&#039;t enough, maybe we can tack on additional powerplays in following rounds, or, alternatively, not let people cap who willingly cause repeated forfeits.&nbsp; This latter idea was rejected by other board members, so perhaps we can discuss the first.<br /><br />As far as kicking players who suck at showing up and not lying: we already do this with captains, so of course we should do it with players.&nbsp; The problem is (take Godlike), once the player disappears, there is nothing left to kick out.&nbsp; If your player does this, trade them to the FA.&nbsp; Of course, we do not want to see them picked up by another team, only to magically start showing up again.&nbsp; So yes, Hatred, I like this idea.&nbsp; If a player is blatantly unruly or inactive, he should be suspended for the rest of the season.<br /><br />We will probably keep trading and finalize the rules soonish (well before the draft).&nbsp; It is subject to abuse, but with freedom comes responsibility.<br /><br />I did some stats of my own on record standard deviations and parity throughout the seasons.&nbsp; I will post an excel file in another thread.<br /><br />Gilgamesh, two things I wanted to clarify: Even though Dew and Ladna already pointed this out, I want to make sure you understand.&nbsp; When you say there were no forfeits in seasons 4 and 5, that doesn&#039;t mean anything if there were any 2v3&#039;s, 1v3&#039;s, 2v2&#039;s, 1v2&#039;s or 1v1&#039;s because under the current system they would have been forfeits, and I&#039;m pretty sure there were but can&#039;t verify this because aliases are incomplete for those seasons (although as to last season you&#039;re correct, but certainly it was better than usual).&nbsp; The second thing is that it seems like you think there are people who wanted to be captains but who did not cap.&nbsp; This is false.&nbsp; Everybody who wanted to be a captain was made a captain, and we made some people captains who didn&#039;t want to be captains.&nbsp; If you know of anybody who wants to be a captain, let us know, or have them let us know, and we will probably let them be a captain.<br /><br />More importantly, thanks to everybody for your contributions in this discussion.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6172, 556, 20, 1328644750, 216, 6172, 'Re: ALERT: OFFICIAL WINTER 2012 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '130.63.215.92', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=556.msg6168#msg6168 date=1328633383]<br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=556.msg6160#msg6160 date=1328480301]<br />this topic should be stickied<br />[/quote]<br /><br />For once, we agree. <br />[/quote][quote author=Tenchu link=topic=556.msg6161#msg6161 date=1328480536]<br />http://www.intldoomleague.org/season/schedule<br />[/quote]<br /> :-\\', 'xx', 1);
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	(6386, 624, 20, 1330974580, 4, 6390, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '68.83.192.117', 1, 1331011426, 'Ten', 'These are always fun.&nbsp; ;D<br /><br />Captain of the Year: [b]ThatsJustPrime[/b]<br /><br />For a captain who was dead last in the draft, had a core player basically drop out, and added an undrafted free agent into their primary roster, Prime did pretty fucking well for himself making it to #1 seed in his conference. Prime overcame the obstacles and really created a great team, and it&#039;s extremely likely that we will see them at the MasterBowl.<br /><br />Honorable mentions: [i]Strangle[/i], [i]Ralphis[/i]<br /><br />Breakout Player of the Year: [b]Legion[/b]<br /><br />When the season first started, I had really hoped Dr_Noob would be the one earning this award. He has a lot of skill and had so much potential, but had to throw it all away. Anyway I&#039;m nominating Legion for Breakout Player of the Year. In his previous seasons he was rather lackluster with the Skulltag still running strong in him, which is why it was a big risk for Strangle to draft him when he did. But Legion finished the season as an impressive rising-star runner, he pulled some crazy captures this season and has displayed a huge increase in both aim and strategy which has helped him lead KNF to the playoffs. He&#039;s proved he can keep up with, and score on big-name IDL defenders, and I think he&#039;s got a lot more to show in coming season(s). Go David!<br /><br />Honorable mentions: [i]OurHero[/i], [i]Climhazzard[/i]<br /><br />Most Valuable Player: [b]Ralphis[/b]<br /><br />Ralph has Doom in his blood. In virtually every season he&#039;s played in, he was a top 5 player. He can play any position well, can coach any team well and can handle any situation well. Unlike his IDC rivals SGS and WAD; he didn&#039;t have any superstar players on his team and yet SUC still consistently played very well, taking their only losses to the second best team in the league (and even those were close), and tying the best team, robbing them of their perfect season. Ralph is basically Superman, Spiderman, Batman and the Green Lantern all in one suped-up Doom package. Put him somewhere and he&#039;ll do better than anyone else at it. Ralph has done more than any other single player in terms of gameplay and for that he deserves to be crowned IDL XI MVP.<br /><br />Honorable mentions: [i]Hatred[/i], [i]Nostar[/i], [i]ItalianStallion[/i]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4880, 504, 17, 1317849177, 213, 4880, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'Hi Tenchu,<br /><br />I have to say, I&#039;m not sure with what amount of politeness I ought to address you since in some cases you seem fairly polite and intelligible (like here), and in others you seem like kind of a moron and an asshole (see: http://www.altdeath.com/fluxbb/viewtopic.php?pid=2499#p2499).&nbsp; Plus, you have that poor history with the IDL.&nbsp; That said, the administration&#039;s consensus is that you should feel free to come join us in some games of priv, and if it looks like you&#039;re just trying to have fun and not fuck with the IDL because you&#039;re bored, then maybe we&#039;ll throw an invite your way.&nbsp; Not a captain invite, of course, but a player invite for some captain to draft you at his own risk.&nbsp; See you in priv! ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(4879, 504, 17, 1317841316, 1328, 4880, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '173.2.45.53', 1, 1317850159, 'Mobius', 'I really, really wanted to avoid posting here as I have no intention of coming back (I am sure the feeling is mutual), but seeing my name crop up in this thread and Hate&#039;s latest post irked me too much.<br /><br />So let&#039;s dive!<br /><br />[quote=Mass]you want to play in a league with people you know and like, not Mobius and Dawsonation.&nbsp; You want to play in a league with talented players who can possibly match your skill level in CTF, not Mobius and Dawsonation.[/quote]<br /><br />Suck my giant sized cock that Mass is afraid of.<br /><br />Other than that, yeah. People like Jenova and etc being a bunch of pussies because some no names jump in is bad, but dumb captain picks isn&#039;t [b]my fault[/b] at all.<br /><br />There&#039;s always going to be a bad team and a super nearly unbeatable team (BSK for like 2 seasons). I think IDL needs to actually enforce the invite list instead of it being a show pony. Captains banking on no-name talent through regular sign ups and then decide to get cold feet cause they don&#039;t get their way (Hatred). Like a few people here say, &quot;if you show up in priv a lot and do good, you might get picked,&quot; instead of letting random people enter no one has ever seen (who the fuck is Hydrafire? or even Shadowfox aliasing, and myself). The only problem I see with it is that other players might get fucked over hard (Soulsucka) but really, if you are that conservative about IDL then just do that: become the elite league that only the best can be invited too, if not then [b]too bad[/b].<br /><br />I mean, who the hell lets a rookie with 0 running experience (even in scrims of priv on a weaker port) run against Chew? Come on, I think the talent pool shouldn&#039;t be blamed entirely.<br /><br />[quote=Hatred]I&#039;ve heard people suggest doing a small tournament with some newer guys, somewhat IDL-R like with IDL rules being in place. Someone would have to organize this though. And someone would also have to be willing to play in it and give some of these guys some suggestions, tutoring, etc. From a practical standpoint, would we even be able to develop this, run it, finish it and expect everything to be done before the IDL begins? Sure, but it&#039;d be a lot of work and there&#039;s no guarantee we&#039;d get enough people giving it a shot. We&#039;ll have to see, I&#039;m interested to hear what people have to say.[/quote]<br /><br />[b]That shit won&#039;t work because I know it won&#039;t from experience[/b]. I was in IDLR, and I was just lucky enough to get Mikehail whom was half-ass willing to do set up games. You want to help lesser players like me? Make a fuckin` tutorship program or some whatever where you groom one player that you like or think is worth a damn, and don&#039;t make it a program so there is no strict rules: I mean, go out of your way and help someone out instead of them learning from random duels or random/lucky picks in priv.<br /><br />Quite frankly, season 10 looked like shit from the lack of demo infraction penalties, letting Naut captain (I certainly wouldn&#039;t, and I know him less than you guys), and insert why other players didn&#039;t show. You don&#039;t want, &quot;lesser players,&quot; enter then do invite only.<br /><br />OH YEAH! IDLR failed because players felt insulted to be placed there so there were like 0 dedication and many forfeits.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7677, 739, 1, 1348905328, 10, 7677, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Naut don&#039;t fuck around', 'xx', 1);
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	(7814, 758, 25, 1352739588, 75, 7814, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'Name: dew<br />Country/State: CZ<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl<br />Regular Availability: weekends, weekday afternoons', 'xx', 1);
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	(8085, 786, 17, 1357575970, 10, 8085, 'Re: Real talk.', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.132.74', 1, 0, '', 'Oh the harsh chains of subjugation', 'xx', 1);
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	(2383, 262, 26, 1282709653, 3, 2383, 'Re: Some cool capture stats', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Also I got 19 flags. It&#039;s apparently a glitch in ZDStack though, and is to be addressed. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2353, 262, 26, 1282506595, 10, 2353, 'Re: Some cool capture stats', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=262.msg2345#msg2345 date=1282495924]<br />Nice stats<br /><br />But I have to ask how am I so high up there<br /><br />I am not an O player fuck!!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well you&#039;re actually really low on flags per season compared to most of your peers', 'xx', 1);
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	(8597, 851, 29, 1362164482, 2303, 8597, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'Great games&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(6397, 627, 18, 1331060188, 216, 6397, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '130.63.214.137', 1, 0, '', 'Nice vid! There&#039;s one cap by Nosturi that is awesome if you want to check it out. It&#039;s week 5 (map 08) first round with about 3:30 left in TCB vs KNF. Prob one of the best caps of the season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4882, 505, 20, 1317860642, 10, 4882, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'I just want to chime in on the 3v3 forfeiture rule. While last season had a ridiculously high amount of forfeits, the season before it (Winter 2011) had 1 forfeits across 63 games (playoffs included). Summer 2010 had 1 forfeit across 41 games (playoffs included).<br /><br />[center][b]SEASONS WITH ALL 3v3 &amp; FORFEIT CLAUSE[/b]<br />Summer 2010 - 1/41 - 2.4%<br />Winter 2011 - 1/63 - 1.6%<br />Summer 2011 - 10/63 - 15.9%[/center]<br /><br />I don&#039;t think there is any problem with the rule. Now, I&#039;m not trying to place blame on anybody here, especially since the league went through a transition period moments before last season kicked off, but the fact of the matter is that the way the IDL performs is directly linked to those managing the league. <br /><br />I can tell you that being in charge of this league is akin to being a babysitter. As commissioner, I practically felt like I was captaining all 12 teams because I wanted to always know who was doing what on each team in order to ensure that everyone&#039;s schedules and obligations were being fulfilled. It is simply the nature of the position.<br /><br />Removing the forfeiture rule is unfair to other teams who DO follow the rules and make time to follow up on their responsibilities to this league. 1/3 of my team&#039;s games last season were forfeits, three games which we all showed up for while the other teams had no intention of. That is selfish and disrespectful to any players on the forfeiting team&#039;s roster that actually showed up, the opposing team who set aside time to make this happen (which pisses me off the most when I put my own time aside for nothing), and the rest of the teams who&#039;s standings and playoff aspirations are directly affected. Getting rid of forfeits is not the answer. Why should my team, who shows up to every game and likely already showed up to the game that was unplayed, be punished later in the season by having to play two games in a week to make up for our opponent&#039;s issues? Why should compliant teams be forced to suffer more to appease crap squads?<br /><br />This can be solved by swift league action. Enforce the league rules. Break down bad teams. Make sure even games are played. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4894, 510, 17, 1317911861, 147, 4894, 'Re: Even teams', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'Obviously having more even teams would be a great thing.&nbsp; Closer, more exciting games, neck-and-neck playoff runs, people&#039;s predictions being wrong, all of these things are terrific for the IDL.<br /><br />HOWEVER:<br /><br />The league stepping in to directly administrate more fair teams is a bad thing.&nbsp; This league is run in the USA, not Canada, and in the USA, we aren&#039;t too fond of socialism.&nbsp; Any kind of radical changes like that would be a huge put off to pretty much everyone but Fast, and he&#039;ll die of STDs soon anyway.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5856, 574, 20, 1326211658, 214, 5860, 'Re: Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.25.252', 1, 1326249544, 'nostar', '[b]Super Shotgun Spurs[/b] vs [b]KillingBrowns[/b]<br />With both teams coming off from an impressive and surprising week 1 win, look forward to seeing both of them coming out slugging left and right to take home the 2-0 record. SGS has the frag power and hacks needed to take over the ceiling-less tunnel that is mid and they will probably over power blair/junior. Both teams have a capable defender in Stall and Tai but Stall needs to watch out for Junior&#039;s rat like movement (he is a South American rat) and Tai needs to not run AT ALL (make Chow proud). However I see Hatred/Blood taking over the mid choke point thus allowing Hatred to run amok (thanks to his 5 ping, yeah fuck you buddy). SGS will pull out on top due to having more IQ points than KGB.<br /><br />SGS 2-0<br /><br />[b]SuperChargers[/b] vs [b]We&#039;re All Doomed[/b]<br />WAD is pissed and rightfully so. After sucking up their loss from week 1 they will be looking to take their anger out on SUC. However Ralph is impervious to rage and will respond with: Yoah! WAD clearly has a slight advantage since Chaindude made the map and it hasn&#039;t been played a lot since it was put in the idl wad. Fast loves this map while shak probably doesn&#039;t care too much for it and he will probably get benched again ):. Star won&#039;t have any problem on D since its pretty easy here (only 2 or 3 real ways in) so it will come down to either Shake-al or Fast to help control mid while chaindude the proper way to run. SUC&#039;s success will depend on Tony. Both Ralph and Oath are capable of playing any position on this map so Climhazard will have to shine wherever he is put. Ultimately one team&#039;s 3rd won&#039;t be smart enough to play this map, but:<br /><br />SUC 1-0<br /><br /><br />[b]The Cult of Bestism[/b] vs [b]Mass Destruction[/b]<br />Both teams are looking to rebound after losing week 1 but only one team will succeed. Sometime during 2011(or 2010?) there was a Euro 3v3 CTF tournament that included a few of the smartctf maps. If I am correct (probably not) this weeks map was played in that tourney and therefore BEST already has an advantage in Nosturi since he is battle hardened. Saber will probably have better luck in D this week since its much easier to defend this map than that fucking pistol spawn box loving map29. X-Ray is a good defender but he is better at mid plus he stated himself that he is too dumb to D smartctf. MAD on the other hand already has problems. Doomguy and Polie took massing to a whole new level and missed their own game last week. Dew and Xen are trying their best to keep their team together since The Avalanche Bros. haven&#039;t returned yet and if they don&#039;t, MAD is probably going to struggle to keep from going 0-2. Xen is capable of defending and dew also played in that Euro tourney so not only is he going to try to prove he&#039;s a top euro runner but he is also going to try to prove that Czech &gt; Finland. If Doomguy returns, he&#039;ll have to make up for last week by dominating the mid with xen while dew shows off his euro education. If the rescue crew doesn&#039;t find Doomguy, Capo will have to grace MAD again and I think we all can agree that this map will be too much for his puny brain.<br /><br />No Doomguy:<br />BEST 2-0<br />With Doomguy:<br />MAD 2-1<br /><br /><br />[b]Ricochet Rockets[/b] vs [b]Fnordy Niners[/b]<br />Ok first off our tag, }=&gt;, is a rocket for you fucks with no imagination. Secondly I pay for the internet and can have it disconnected so both our teams play without us. Third, there are no Pistol spawns so Mass will be baller. Fourth, fuck you legion you are a TX hick and I know you aren&#039;t smart enough for this map. Finally, there is a reason why I have a 5 and 1 in my name. Cuz I&#039;m winning 5 to 1 baby.<br /><br />No Rust/Strangle:<br />TAIIII<br />W/ Rust/Strangle<br />Rust 2-0<br /><br />p.s college did not prepare any member on either team for this map<br /><br />[b]Plasma Dicks United[/b] vs [b]Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br />Right off the bat this match up is similar to BEST/MAD in the sense that both teams have a top and talented Euro runner in Turska and Gyrossman which mirrors Nosturi/Dew. Both teams have capable fraggers and defenders. The only major difference between this game and BEST/MAD is that neither PDU or BBC has half their team buried under snow at this moment. Rus is going initiate greatwallofchina.exe and rusdance.exe for this match and he&#039;ll definitely give BBC&#039;s offense a show. Prime doesn&#039;t have a Bachelor&#039;s Degree (unlike Rus) but thankfully defending this map isn&#039;t too hard so he&#039;ll be capable of keeping his flag home. Pants and Grossman also played in the aforementioned CTF tourney and even if they didn&#039;t, they know what they&#039;re doing. Its going to come down to Ladna and Mantis to supporting their teams in the tunnel that is mid for either team to succeed. Ladna is still rusty compared to what he was months ago but he knows how to pronounce Telo so he&#039;ll definitely have enough brains to make smart, crucial plays. Mantis has more fragging power but, like Tai, he has a tendency to leave his position and usually ends up running and leaves D out to dry. If Ladna can boost up his firepower, he&#039;ll be able to support Rus or Pants at the right times and help push back the BBC infidels. However I see Prime keeping his team on the same page through tight communication.<br /><br />BBC 2-1<br /><br />[b]Contraband[/b] vs [b]Philanthropic Blowhards[/b]<br />Bones and Co. are probably pissed that they didn&#039;t curbstomp my team like they thought they would, so they&#039;re gonna want to make up for last week&#039;s tai. LB still maintains that you don&#039;t win games by playing better but by drafting better and boy is he right this week. CTB has Dev the chessmaster and he is going to feel right at home this week while Boner will have no trouble guarding the flag. So it is going to be interesting who will be running for CTB. Denny proved he isn&#039;t washed up but you can&#039;t be hitting walls on this map otherwise you die. Higgs can fire up mfquake.exe and he&#039;ll have no trouble running here since this map emulates some quake elements. Bones really has quite a bit of choices here since he could put either Dev or Denny on D and move himself up to mid or O. LB on the other hand doesn&#039;t such a privilege. LB is a great runner and he won&#039;t have any problem running around here tho he might have trouble swimming. If LB defends, he is gonna have problems in his mid and O. Noob&#039;s excessive drug use has taken a toll on his brain cells and he&#039;ll breakdown in mid and if he runs, he&#039;ll be running the wrong way. Ammar(Armour) has a good shot but he is still inexperienced. LB&#039;s best shot is putting Noob on D and telling him the flag is a pile of cocaine and to guard it with his life while Ammar puts his aimbot to work in mid. But in the end Bones has 3 Canadians on his team and we all know Canadian Education &gt; American Education.<br /><br />CTB 2-1', 'xx', 1);
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	(6173, 556, 20, 1328648002, 19, 6173, 'Re: ALERT: OFFICIAL WINTER 2012 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.119.178', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ThatsJustPrime link=topic=556.msg6172#msg6172 date=1328644750]<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=556.msg6168#msg6168 date=1328633383]<br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=556.msg6160#msg6160 date=1328480301]<br />this topic should be stickied<br />[/quote]<br /><br />For once, we agree. <br />[/quote][quote author=Tenchu link=topic=556.msg6161#msg6161 date=1328480536]<br />http://www.intldoomleague.org/season/schedule<br />[/quote]<br /> :-\\<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/WVgmV.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7443, 723, 22, 1346558597, 157, 7443, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.224', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=723.msg7441#msg7441 date=1346558051]<br />I think the point is that nobody gives a shit about where your clan is from. The fact that you and others from your group step up and defend the guy (by not taking any action other than some half-hearted verbal lashing) instead of kicking him on his ass speaks more about your own character than his. His character was very clear when he ruined the game for everybody and was banned.<br />[/quote]<br />cool so I guess you know how we operate, participate in our ts nearly daily, and totally are a major part of zandronum. I didnt know you were in H. welcome to the clan ralphis, these are late congrats I know, but welcome still!<br /><br />[quote]When aca ran around ZDaemon servers impersonating a Doom player that had just died, it took about 1.3 seconds for me to decide to kick him out of the clan. However, you guys look up to Redshirt so that is possibly the real source of your problem (yourselves).[/quote]<br />our clan<br />1) operates differently than UD<br />2) isn&#039;t UD<br />3) doesn&#039;t really care about something that happened around 3 and a half centuries ago. <br />let me reiterate, let -us- handle our own clan. tosen has already been punished by the idl and us but you feel the need to explain to me how things [b]MUST[/b] work in [b]OUR[/b] clan.<br /><br />[quote]....speaks more about your own character than his.[/quote]<br />lol another gem of a quote against my character. thanks for comparing me to tosen.<br /><br />[quote] The fact that you and others from your group step up and defend the guy (by not taking any action other than some half-hearted verbal lashing)[/quote][quote][b][size=6]I. am. not. defending. tosen.<br /><br />please read these 5 words.[/size][/b][/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Mobius link=topic=723.msg7442#msg7442 date=1346558439]<br />Lol Legion misses the entire point of my post and that&#039;s [b]it has nothing to do with the IDL[/b].<br />[/quote]<br />I agree, which is why it is odd that everyone and their dog has an opinion and needs to shove it down my throat', 'xx', 1);
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	(7678, 739, 1, 1348936657, 145, 7678, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.184.24.204', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=739.msg7677#msg7677 date=1348905328]<br />Naut don&#039;t fuck around<br />[/quote]<br /><br />haha I disagree he&#039;s always high when he plays me but nauts a good dueler he&#039;s fun n skilled to play&nbsp; :P', 'xx', 1);
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	(7862, 758, 25, 1354187341, 4, 7925, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '50.88.51.175', 1, 1355594963, 'Ten', 'Name: Ten<br />Location: Florida<br />Contact: #idl<br />Availability: Always, baby', 'xx', 1);
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	(1785, 206, 26, 1273420953, 10, 1785, 'Detailed Team Records Since W2009', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ve come up with some detailed team statistics compiled since the beginning of permanent teams in Winter 09. [url=http://ralphis.unidoom.org/stuff/idl/records.htm]Check em out![/url]<br /><br />All records are for regular season unless stated otherwise on the sheets.<br /><br />You can flip between the sheets on the bottom of the screen. The last page has detailed information on captains and their results within the past three seasons of the league. These results include all time logged as captain by week.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7937, 762, 25, 1355702345, 8, 7937, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Godsdoomer: I&#039;m not sure what rock you&#039;ve been living under, but there was quite a bit of input from a large number of players before the move was made. Today was actually one of the very first (if not the first) time I&#039;ve seen you playing Odamex, so perhaps you are not as knowledgeable on this subject as you try to paint in your post. You are implying that we didn&#039;t ask for ANY input whatsoever. You are dead wrong. A majority of the players threw their support behind the move for various reasons, whether or not they decided to pull that support later on is[b] irrelevant. [/b]<br /><br />I have avoided posting in this thread because it&#039;s silly, but the last two posts have been pretty inaccurate. Signups were extended in order to accommodate for the release of 0.6.2 - we actually gained a few players because of that. It had nothing to do with &quot;lack of signups&quot; because there were in fact, enough signups.<br /><br />As far as veteran players go, it is a real shame that we are losing valuable members of the community. I could go into a lot of detail about how a community shift was imminent no matter what port we ended up on, but I won&#039;t. If you don&#039;t see that, I&#039;ll gladly explain in another post. I don&#039;t think any of the veteran players can argue that the developers of Odamex as well as myself and the IDL Board have attempted to accommodate their needs as best as possible. If they don&#039;t like it, they just do not like it. <br /><br />I will not disregard their importance to the league. Each and every player is important and it saddens me that some of you won&#039;t be playing because you dislike Odamex. There are, however, still a lot of people who do enjoy it and then there are the veteran players who aren&#039;t playing for reasons completely different. All we can really do is be open to your opinions and needs, and I don&#039;t think anyone can argue that we haven&#039;t been over the past 6 months.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6405, 624, 20, 1331106211, 216, 6405, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.89.169.55', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=624.msg6402#msg6402 date=1331081164]<br />But...... It beats prime getting in my damn way all the time! :) ;) :D ;D 8) :P :-X :-*<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I did it out of love man.....', 'xx', 1);
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	(4895, 511, 17, 1317913711, 147, 4895, 'Re: New Captain Draft Position', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'This one&#039;s a little trickier.&nbsp; Also, &quot;New Captain Team Assignment&quot; should be addressed as well.&nbsp; Last season, for example, I thought I was going to end up on BBC [since they were without a captain and I was on that team last season (mvp etc] and was pretty amped about having 10th pick and ending up in the &quot;deep&quot; spot of the draft.&nbsp; This was not the case (it worked out anyway).<br /><br />Then, when I was assigned to DMR, I was pretty amped about getting second pick.&nbsp; I would&#039;ve taken Stallion (payback&#039;s a bitch), had my rock-solid defender again, and go on to dominate once again, leaving shattered dreams and weeping babies in my wake.&nbsp; This was not the case (it worked out anyway).<br /><br />If I recall correctly, the format used last year was to insert new captains: a.) so that they draft later than any captains that missed the playoffs in the previous season, and b.) so that they draft sooner than all captains that made the playoffs in the previous season.&nbsp; I will dub this The LB Effect (LB is too good to draft 2nd).&nbsp; However, in an (ineffective) attempt to mask The LB Effect the board claimed to randomly assign the 5 new captains to those positions.&nbsp; Then they went ahead and gave me lowest spot they could. (it worked out anyway.)<br /><br />That being said, I think it&#039;s a good system.&nbsp; New captains get those &quot;middle&quot; picks, awful captains (who didn&#039;t make playoffs) get their high picks, and good captains get thrown to the bottom.&nbsp; Just maybe sooner than 3 hours before the draft this season. (it worked out anyway)<br /><br />Alternatively, if we do the &quot;each captain is allowed to pick their draft position&quot; method (which I really like), instead of the worst team getting draft pick #1, they would get choice #1, with the rest of the captains following suit.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5857, 575, 20, 1326218000, 30, 5857, 'ChaosCore Servers I2 Priority Traffic', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.201', 1, 0, '', '129 dot 89 dot 125 dot 155:12301 = priv (check #idl for pass)<br /><br />12302 - 12304 IDL X,Y,Z respectively <br /><br />Beast = server admin<br />rcon mofo&#039;s = coming soon<br /><br />more shit = coming soon', 'xx', 1);
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	(6392, 624, 20, 1331014450, 37, 6392, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '98.209.167.80', 1, 0, '', 'Ralph and I drink during our games, best cap ever.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7444, 723, 22, 1346558766, 158, 7444, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '184.175.47.196', 1, 0, '', 'Nobody is forcing you to do anything, but I think the general consensus is that people are not happy that you guys basically don&#039;t care. Sure, maybe you care, but by talking to a few other members it becomes apparent that nobody really gives a shit.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7629, 738, 18, 1348644684, 8, 7629, 'MasterBowl Stats', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '6 rounds must be too much for the &quot;Latest Games&quot; part of the website to handle, and since many of you are completely incapable of using the website, HERE ARE THE STATS FOR THIS SEASONS MASTERBOWL.<br /><br />[url=http://www.intldoomleague.org/season/games/483]http://www.intldoomleague.org/season/games/483[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7679, 740, 17, 1348953452, 214, 7679, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.179.165', 1, 0, '', 'So basically nearly all the pellets phased through him.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6174, 605, 18, 1328657966, 19, 6208, 'Upload your Demo!! agh', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.119.178', 1, 1329060579, 'Xenaero', 'MassVC penalized for no demo last week.<br /><br />Missing demos:<br />None!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7938, 762, 25, 1355703594, 2, 7938, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '24.18.104.99', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=762.msg7936#msg7936 date=1355701861]<br />Do you think the people who run the league want to play on an engine they are banned from? This is through multiple administrations too. Me, Ladna, Nostar, Bones, etc etc.<br />[/quote]<br />Part of the reason Nostar and Ladna quit playing was because of the move to odamex, they didn&#039;t seem terribly perturbed by playing on zdaemon as you suggest.&nbsp; In fact I don&#039;t think anybody really had a problem being banned and playing, most of the IDL players never played zdaemon much in a public setting regardless.&nbsp; I have no interest in playing on odamex either, trying to frame it out as a flawless part of the solution to a problem is just ud hype machine rollin on.<br /><br />[quote author=Kilgore link=topic=762.msg7936#msg7936 date=1355701861]<br />The people that run the league don&#039;t really have a responsibility to anybody, they do this for free. <br />[/quote]<br />This was particularly amusing because the league is nothing without the players.&nbsp; The reason the board exists is to act as representatives of the players and to guide decision making in their best interests (its also much more feasible than trying to collect a complete thought from simpletons like dawson, etc etc).&nbsp; Just because they &quot;do it for free&quot; hardly means that they are somehow above reproach from the community and are free to act however they like, see zdaemon.&nbsp; The board is supposed to exist as a connection to prevent that sort of isolationism from occurring, not to further divide the dwindling community.<br /><br />Doomer may have been slightly uninformed but he [b]is[/b] the new blood you are trying to cater to and he&#039;s hardly incorrect in pointing out that odamex isn&#039;t light years ahead of zdaemon as most of ud is interested in telling us it is.&nbsp; Many of the players to throw their weight behind the move later recanted their support because of problems or dislike experienced.&nbsp; Then you continue to tell everybody 0.62 is going to be flawless, even more flawless than 0.60, which was even more flawless than 0.5x, etc.&nbsp; On the other hand, drsean seems like a pretty competent individual and so long as he is heading the project I am sure it will continue to improve and hopefully become the port we all are looking for (unless eecs makes a run!).', 'xx', 1);
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	(7863, 762, 25, 1354338005, 157, 7863, 'Nawt Signing Up?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.73.147', 1, 0, '', '[quote author= anyone]<br /><br />TL;DR: I am not singing up. Sorry folks.&nbsp; :&#039;(<br />[/quote]<br />why not', 'xx', 1);
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	(4115, 441, 26, 1306535651, 75, 4115, 'Team Autoaim CVAR', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'IDL servers are required to use the team autoaim cvar.<br />[quote=Zdaemon changelog]69. Introduced a new server CVAR called &quot;sv_teamautoaim&quot;; when it&#039;s non-zero, teammates are excluded from autoaim calculations. Defaults to zero (ie., the game behaves as it always did).[/quote]<br />This means teammates in the line of fire won&#039;t be auto-targeted even with autoaim enabled.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8086, 786, 17, 1357590733, 89, 8086, 'Re: Real talk.', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '65.68.75.232', 1, 1357591293, 'Ru5tK1ng', '[quote]&lt;@dewww&gt; you quit while it was 1-1<br />&lt;@dewww&gt; as far as i&#039;m concerned, fuck you<br />&lt;capo&gt; it was 3-1 <br />&lt;capo&gt; you dumbass <br />&lt;@dewww&gt; lol<br />&lt;capo&gt; also i dont need listen guys which one cant move and second blame your lag <br />&lt;capo&gt; what a stupid games <br />&lt;@dewww&gt; look, you&#039;ve crossed a bridge<br />&lt;@dewww&gt; and there&#039;s no way back<br />&lt;@dewww&gt; you&#039;ve fucked our prac<br />* dewww sets mode: +b *!*@95.182.broadband18.iol.cz<br />* capo was kicked by dewww (dewww)[/quote]<br /><br />Edit: No quotebox looks tacky.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8289, 815, 17, 1360385264, 0, 8289, 'LIMITATION??', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.40.111.74', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Soul Sucka link=topic=811.msg8282#msg8282 date=1360371970]I&#039;d rather not derail this into a WBuild bashing thread.[/quote]<br />...<br />&gt;Legion posts about it anyway<br />&gt;Jenova does the same<br />&gt;Ten joins the bandwagon<br /><br />[img]http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/35533_454236527976701_105096150_n.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(9402, 953, 31, 1381211540, 216, 9402, 'Re: hi', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.58.50', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tony link=topic=953.msg9400#msg9400 date=1381206392]<br />[b]rolf[/b]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />perro pls', 'xx', 1);
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	(8297, 817, 28, 1360392524, 8, 8297, 'The Rules of This Forum', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s not altdeath. You will engage in discussions that refrain from insulting the other players. This is a forum for developers to talk with people who are giving feedback, experiencing issues, and so forth. I don&#039;t care about who&#039;s wbuild has the biggest dick, and I don&#039;t actually care who you insult, but do it somewhere else.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6175, 562, 20, 1328679795, 8, 6175, 'Re: SCHEDULING INFRACTIONS (PLEASE READ)', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b]Philanthropic Blowhards[/b]<br />Week 6: Three minute power play in effect for PBH vs RRS. Second team infraction.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4896, 511, 17, 1317914321, 75, 4896, 'The Draft', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'lb, while you getting #2 pick was thrown around before, i actually argued with mass about the opposite - the clim effect. why exactly did clim &quot;deserve&quot; to be handed BSK and picks #12, #13 along with the team?<br /><br />that 5-cap padding was unfortunate, because there was an unusually large cap exodus. you&#039;d probably think of it less if there were just 2 new caps.<br /><br />i agree that our sneaky last second change added to chaos, but last pre-season was hectic in more than just that.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4980, 517, 17, 1318477868, 163, 4980, 'Re: The Draft', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 1318478026, 'Hatred', 'I&#039;d like to add something to this thread, possibly another section, as Ladna has labeled it! I joke, I&#039;ll direct you to this thread:<br /><br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=507.0<br /><br />It&#039;s the recruiting thread I made in the IDL Winter 2012 Section. Here&#039;s the deal: I see people analyzing the draft like Mel Kiper. People, it&#039;s not that serious - it&#039;s fine as it is, let&#039;s stop worrying about changing that and worry about the real problem: lack of depth in the draft itself. Ladna has pretty much echoed everything I&#039;ve said (or wanted to say - he has a way with words ;) ) so there&#039;s no need to continue that point. <br /><br />We then ask ourselves: How do we get more depth? Recruiting, plain (or for the followers of the Brilliant Reaku, [b]plane[/b]) and simple. I admit, I posted the thread because my skills in advertisement aren&#039;t the greatest. I have very limited knowledge of programs that you can be productive with for the intent of advertisement. For example, I suck with Adobe - mspaint doesn&#039;t make you take the IDL&#039;s appearance serious. I don&#039;t know how to make highlight videos (and if I learned now, it&#039;d be awhile before I&#039;d be good at it). I don&#039;t run any server or website that can help contribute to such advertisement. But, there are plenty of people here who have these abilities - I&#039;m just not one of them. And I&#039;m proposing that we do more to get people from ST/ZD and even Quake. Fast mentioned ESR, I want to post there but I&#039;m just not confident enough in my ability to sell it to these guys. I&#039;d like to have some cool footage of IDL matches, and while there is stuff out there, it&#039;s mostly specific to certain players. I&#039;m asking that we try to do more to advertise. LB was pretty good at it, he managed to get me back from the dead ;). So, for the sake of this thread, let me stop here. Post in that and contribute ideas on how we can advertise the IDL in a kick-ass style!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4981, 515, 17, 1318478794, 163, 4981, 'Re: New team names?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 1318478975, 'Hatred', '[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]As to it not being an important issue, it looks pretty hot to me.&nbsp; There was a lot of discussion on the topic in just a few days, and the overall turnout at the polls was to me astounding.&nbsp; I don&#039;t recall seeing a poll with 39 unique results in a recent IDL thread.&nbsp; Only 72% as many people voted on which contest maps would win.&nbsp; This looks like a pretty important topic with everyone being as opinionated as they are.[/quote]<br /><br />Important and hot/trendy are two completely different things. A lot of kids love Justin Beiber (Bebier? Who cares, the kid&#039;s a fag) and talk about him all day. Does that make him important? Well, he&#039;s not exactly finding ways to make my company give me a raise, so no, probably not. But that doesn&#039;t mean we shouldn&#039;t discuss it either, it&#039;s a good idea to be engaged with the community so I support the discussion nonetheless.<br /><br />I&#039;ve been back and forth on this but I&#039;m pretty much at the point of leaving teams as they are. Xen designed a lot of these logs and they&#039;re totally awesome! Let&#039;s not show him how unappreciative we are of his work! Also, it does give the IDL a sense of organization. There aren&#039;t really many games out there that have true &quot;Leagues,&quot; in fact, they&#039;re mostly just tournaments held every year, etc. So, in the definition of League, we should pursue the idea of having a static identity. And what I mean by that is, I don&#039;t want to have to remember who won the MasterBowl in the past 5 seasons: ugh, the Angry Smurfs, MassVCers, Mike&#039;s Salmon Salsa, Hell&#039;s WaterPump, and last but not least, LB&#039;s Missing Eye? Oh okay, I remember now! You see what I mean? It just gives it a better sense of identity and what not.<br /><br />There&#039;s also this to consider: the confusion it&#039;d cause. You know Hatred is the captain of EBL. You know Tai is the captain of KGB. You know someone will take over TKV. So you have these assigned names because they&#039;re all members of the IDC North. If we changed names, as captains often change, how would you determine divisions? It&#039;d make it confusing as hell and more work for the administration/board to determine them. Ladna laid it out well. It makes it easier on the admins to do stats, etc. So, let&#039;s just keep it as is. Other than people wanting to feel like they matter (and if getting the opportunity to change your name from the Spread Eagles to the Dick Troopers is your idea of mattering, I feel very sorry for you), there&#039;s no real benefit to this.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4985, 517, 17, 1318487908, 163, 4985, 'Re: The Draft', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 1318488777, 'Hatred', '[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]This is the crux.&nbsp; You are telling me (and you are not the first person) that making the IDL fair will cause elite players to walk.&nbsp; Elite players do not want an even playing field; they do not want to have to put an equal effort into a game in order to win as does a bad player.&nbsp; Instead, they want the odds to be in their favor because they are elite players.&nbsp; They want it to be an uphill battle for the novice players.&nbsp; If you turn their 80/20 odds into 50/50 odds, they will walk.[/quote]<br /><br />That is completely absurd. Elite players like myself, JKist3(when he played), Chewy, Nostar (on occasion), Ralph (when he has the time) are always trying to practice and put maximum effort into our teams to ensure their success. Balancing out the league to give novice/shitty players a better chance isn&#039;t even close to 50/50. It&#039;s more like 20/80 elite/novice players. The other reason is that we came to be elite by [b]practicing[/b] all the time. I didn&#039;t get to be good at DooM or CTF in the last few seasons by sitting on my ass and eating chips all day; I got to that point because I put in the work. I get that not everybody has the potential to be that great with all the work in the world, I don&#039;t think any less of anybody for that. But we can&#039;t sit here and possibly try to balance the league by literally screwing half of it so that shitty players who haven&#039;t put in the work can have the opportunity to compete. That&#039;s not fair to us or the league for that matter. If they want to be great players, then practice. I&#039;ve tried to help anyone I can but when they stop showing up or coming on to practice, I can&#039;t fix that. Nobody can. So why are we wasting our time on trying to do just that? <br /><br />It&#039;s like I said, if we want to advertise and get new people on, we need to be doing it now instead of discussing why you think a straight draft is better than a snake draft when everyone in this thread knows the straight draft will never happen. Why? Because the league starts in 3 months and in those 3 months, if we reached out more and got some newer guys to come on, that&#039;s probably an additional two months they&#039;d have to practice and get better and have the opportunity to make a team as a 3rd and over the season see drastic leaps. If we don&#039;t, it&#039;s hard to say that they&#039;ll sign up. I understand your concern, Mass, but I just don&#039;t think your mind&#039;s in the right place here. And I&#039;m not saying that advertising alone will get a ton of new players, but if we spent more time doing that and it landed us one decent player with potential, then that would be far more productive than sitting here and talking about something that won&#039;t happen.&nbsp; <br /><br />Now, to get back on track. More discussion about 3rds:<br /><br />You saw the value of a 3rd last season and the difference it made. You and LB got rid of your 3rds for safer, more reliable (and quite frankly, much smarter which is a skill in and of itself) players in Gyross and Saber and it landed both of you a great deal of success. I wound up with Mobius, and while Mantis isn&#039;t the greatest, probably a 3rd in and of himself, I can&#039;t help but feel like if I had someone like Rust or a true second, my team would have been much better off. But giving me Mobius with Rust wouldn&#039;t have changed the outcome of my season - it still would have been bad. That&#039;s not to discredit Mobius but that&#039;s the harsh truth everyone faces. And that&#039;s why 3rds are so important. If you have a 3rd who can hardly point and shoot, it doesn&#039;t matter if you have Chew and Nostar on the same team, they&#039;re not going to go very far without someone who is coordinated/skilled enough to friggin&#039; kill someone. <br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6393, 627, 18, 1331015672, 19, 6393, 'Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.231.24', 1, 1331016229, 'Ladna', '[center][html]&#13;<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/ICFXjvctGjI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>&#13;[/html][/center]<br /><br />With the end of the Winter 2012 regular season, I took it upon myself to compile a few of the best plays from the season into one promotional video, voiced over by the IDL Castmaster RottKing. Featured is a little of everything... Great pick-ups, two flags in one life, support frag mania, and even a couple superhero flag runs. Enjoy!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7445, 723, 22, 1346559089, 1328, 7445, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.220.200', 1, 0, '', 'What punishment can you possibly deliver to Tosen anyhow?', 'xx', 1);
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	(8087, 786, 17, 1357593136, 75, 8087, 'Re: Real talk.', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'banning him from irc was a mistake, an asynchronous response for his behaviour - and i apologize for that. he will only be banned from priv and one of the idl servers for ruining games repeatedly.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8130, 791, 25, 1358044187, 214, 8130, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '65.71.125.10', 1, 0, '', '[quote]<br />[01:39] &lt;Ten`&gt; wouldn&#039;t you rather be a good player who is a complete dumbass and would make a terrible captain over being a terrible player who would make a good captain?<br />[01:40] &lt;Ten`&gt; I think you&#039;re just being a big baby<br />[01:40] &lt;Legion__&gt; who are you referring to<br />[01:41] &lt;Legion__&gt; crapo?<br />[01:41] &lt;Ten`&gt; I think that should be ovious<br />[01:41] &lt;Ten`&gt; *obvious<br />[01:41] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; that terrible player/good captain model doesn&#039;t work actually<br />[01:41] &lt;Ten`&gt; Ru5tK1ng are you implying that I meant being a terrible player makes you a good captain?<br />[01:41] &lt;Ten`&gt; because that is not what I was getting at<br />[01:42] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; no<br />[01:42] &lt;Ten`&gt; I&#039;m simply saying that being a good player should be far more important than being a captain<br />[01:42] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; I said the model doesnt&#039; work<br />[01:42] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; a terrible player who makes a good captain usually won&#039;t succeed[/quote]<br /><br /> 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(9369, 948, 31, 1380306081, 10, 9369, 'Re: Uhhhh Week 5 anyone?', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '68.32.39.56', 1, 0, '', 'Mass, this is what the IDL has become since the older guard left. A sad state of affairs with a complete lack of leadership up and down. Unfortunately, dogs that bark the loudest are often those that passerbys notice most. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4986, 518, 30, 1318505418, 11, 4986, 'Re: IDL Radio', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '76.198.242.31', 1, 0, '', 'MONDAY! MONDAY! MONDAY! <br /><br />DON&#039;T MISS IT!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4920, 510, 17, 1318018223, 7, 4920, 'Re: Even teams', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'I agree, but I&#039;m not sure what is meant by:<br /><br />[quote]The league stepping in to directly administrate more fair teams is a bad thing.[/quote]<br /><br />What exactly does that look like?&nbsp; The board picks teams?&nbsp; That will never happen, so what is all the &quot;we&#039;ll never XXXXX&quot; about?&nbsp; What is XXXXX?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7449, 723, 22, 1346566732, 157, 7449, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.224', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=723.msg7448#msg7448 date=1346563757]<br />I, and everyone else, never want to hear from Tosen again.&nbsp; I want him to vanish into the ether.&nbsp; I want to burn down his high school and the hospital he was born in.[/quote]<br />understandable<br /><br />[quote]Besides the fact that he&#039;s a pigdicked piece of shit, there&#039;s a good reason I never want to hear from Tosen again, and it&#039;s [b]deterrence[/b].&nbsp; The reason people hardly ever do this in IDL is that we ruin their asses.&nbsp; IDL is respected, so when its admins ask server admins to ban him and clan leaders to ostracize him, they do it.<br />[/quote]<br />you just cant ban him everywhere for something that happened on a port/league completely different and unrelated. I understand for the umpteenth time that it was a shitty thing to do. I realize that you hate him so hard that you want to explode his guts out his rectum. but you cant reach out into zandronum and ban him. that just isn&#039;t reasonable. its like if a guy I know in a tf2 clan I&#039;m in crashed an idl game. what the fuck am I supposed to do about it?<br /><br />[quote]<br />If H doesn&#039;t boot Tosen, it shows that they have no respect for IDL.&nbsp; If you guys remain in H, that also shows that you have no respect for IDL, so you shouldn&#039;t be surprised when IDL says, and these are just some of the things I&#039;ve heard, that you have &quot;penis breath&quot;, or keep trying to give &quot;rim jobs&quot; because you &quot;love the taste of shit curds&quot;.<br />[/quote]<br />this is the exact thing I try to avoid, you know the angry hatemongering? claiming that I or other members of H do not have respect for the IDL is absurd and you know this well. nothing is stopping you from saying this but nothing stops me from telling you that you&#039;re getting emotional.<br /><br />[quote]<br />I&#039;ve heard some bullshit about how Tosen is &quot;banned on Odamex&quot;, and how it shouldn&#039;t matter to an st2 clan that Tosen did something in IDL or on Odamex.<br /><br /><br /><br />First, you can&#039;t be &quot;banned on Odamex&quot;.&nbsp; Second, I wish you guys wouldn&#039;t be such pussies while you try and rationalize keeping Tosen in your clan.&nbsp; These excuses are bullshit, IDL isn&#039;t Odamex, IDL is a port-independent, player-based CTF league.&nbsp; We should be proud of IDL, what it stands for and what it&#039;s achieved, and we should defend it when it&#039;s assaulted.<br />[/quote]<br />personally I am not rationalizing keeping him in at all. I wish he were gone for good from the clan but that decision is up to the clan leaders, and both of them have said &quot;it is honestly none of our business since we have nothing to do with idl or its maintenance.&quot; there isn&#039;t anything I or any of the other members of the clan can do other than just deal with it, or leave. personally I am not leaving because of one member doing a really shitty thing, but that&#039;s just me.<br /><br /><br /><br />[quote]Take your retarded philosophy to its logical conclusion.&nbsp; If it&#039;s OK for st2 clans to fuck up non-st2 events, then what you&#039;re saying is that st2 clans are more important than IDL.[/quote]<br />this is so utterly false that there are no words to describe it. if you really think that that is what my ultimate conclusion is then I seriously wish you would reexamine things&nbsp; <br /><br /><br />[quote]<br />Is Hydra Redshirt?&nbsp; Why are you guys in a clan run by that kid?&nbsp; He thinks he&#039;s being a boss keeping some faggot in his clan who fucked around with IDL, but all that means is that he&#039;s so self-absorbed that he thinks his clan is more important than IDL.&nbsp; He named his clan [b]AFTER HIMSELF[/b].&nbsp; Is that really what you want to be associated with?<br />[/quote]<br />[H] is [H]olocaust or perhaps [H]appy, but definitely not [H]ydra. he is a pretty cool guy<br /><br />so this begs the question: what the fuck do you want ME to do? I am not the clan leaders, so there isn&#039;t anything I can do about tosen being in the clan. I could leave, but I like being in a clan and pretty much every clan has its one idiot/douchebag/whatever. my only other option is to deal with it, and since almost every other member of H is a really cool guy and plays well on zandronum, I choose to stay. people drawing the wrong conclusion from this are free to do so but they are completely misconstruing me and my intentions', 'xx', 1);
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	(5858, 576, 18, 1326234580, 8, 5858, 'The New IDL Reserve League', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[size=4][b]IDL-R: The Reserve League[/b][/size]<br /><br />Due to a large number of players left in Free Agency (FA), a development league will be held. It will copy the system of IDL private games instead of the league itself. This means participation is strictly voluntary and the sessions aren&#039;t dependant on attendance of whole teams.<br /><br />[size=3][b]Organization:[/b][/size]<br /><br />The IDL-R privs are announced and organized by the commissioner and the board members on a convenience basis. Any one of the league administrators may organize an IDL-R priv by himself at a suitable time. The session needs to be supervised in the server all the time by a league admin or a deputized IDL player. The length of the session, maps used and player picks are to follow the customs of IDL privs. Any disputes are decided by the supervising admin or deputy. The IDL-R priv ends if there is no supervisor present.<br /><br />[size=3][b]Participants:[/b][/size]<br /><br />The reserve league is focused on developing FA players, therefore they take precedence over other participants. If enough FA players gather for an IDL-R session, the games should be played by them exclusively. The supervisor may allow the &quot;benched fourths&quot; to participate on an equal level. This means players on IDL team rosters whose games were already played and who weren&#039;t used for them. If no such players are around or there is not enough of them to proceed with the session, other IDL or even non-IDL players may be admitted in by the supervisor. The supervisor may allow or disallow additional players to play with the skill level of the free agency in mind.<br /><br />[size=3][b]Game system:[/b][/size]<br /><br />Team captains are selected via randcaps vote, the picking order is selected with a coinflip vote (regardless of pings). The first captain may pick a player or a map choice, which is selected after teams are filled.<br />[b]Games are played in a 3v3 format[/b] to mimic IDL.<br />[b]Games count towards player statistics.[/b] Rounds played, won, lost, tied and abandoned will be counted towards an IDL-R player ladder. This will help IDL captains in estimating player quality and activity. Non-FA participants will also be evaluated.<br /><br />[size=3][b]Supervising:[/b][/size]<br /><br />The supervisor stays on the green team, records a demo and logs the game. To ease up the evaluation process, he/she should also take screenshots of round results. Players disconnecting early will have the game count towards abandoned rounds. The supervisor polices the games, allows non-FA players to participate and disqualifies FA players if they break rules or behave in a disruptive manner.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6394, 627, 18, 1331020882, 64, 6394, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'BloodStrike', 'casianoortega@live.com', '107.2.106.65', 1, 0, '', 'I thought this video highlighted the very best of IDL?', 'xx', 1);
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	(6694, 622, 17, 1335276597, 4, 6697, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '71.197.24.195', 1, 1335413490, 'Ten', '[quote author=Mobius link=topic=622.msg6680#msg6680 date=1334764034]<br />[quote author=Ten link=topic=622.msg6671#msg6671 date=1334534517]<br />Aw Mobius is butthurt that the once-nobody Brazilian that he took in under his wing has surpassed him. You should be proud of Soul! And if anything I&#039;d be more surprised about the inclusion of X-Ray. While he&#039;s most definitely a skilled player, I don&#039;t see how he&#039;s very influential or notable in the community politics/activities, he doesn&#039;t really voice much of an opinion on stuff like this. Then again maybe skill is all it takes. *shrugs*<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oh look who decides to crawl out of the hole to respond to me. Let me enlighten your stupid ass in a few things you got wrong here:<br /><br />First. I know Soul better than anyone here minus maybe Infer. I talk to him regularly outside of the Doom community and consider him a friend of mine. Why in the hell would I be even remotely upset that he has &#039;surpassed,&#039; me? I am not as petty as you are Mr. OHIHAVETOPOSTWHYICHEATTOGETBANNEDBECAUSEMYLIFESUCKSANDIWANTATTENTION.<br /><br />Speaking of surpass, what has he surpassed me in? I still beat him in duels and CTF on his own native port very recently. Soul may out manuerver or gun me, but he&#039;s no where NEAR as smart as I am and surprisingly that manages ALONE to compensate. There&#039;s a reason we call him, &quot;Tai Jr,&quot; when he was in A3 but I suppose you&#039;re still stuck in 2010 and don&#039;t know any better.<br /><br />The reason I even questioned Ralphis was because he mentioned actual notable players and lumped Soul in with them. I am sure Ralphis means well but I feel that he&#039;s only doing it because of the whole Odamex circle-jerk they seem to have going. Under my wing? I still help Soul any chance I get but not through some dumb apprentice-shit your melodramatic ass is describing. I actually talk with him and do what I can to aid him because I genuinely like Alan and care about him. My only gripe was that it&#039;s too soon for him to get a swollen head AGAIN and then he gets into a hyper crash of depression when he doesn&#039;t live up to his own expectations.<br /><br />But you wouldn&#039;t know any of this because you&#039;re stupid as fuck and a cheater. You&#039;re also a very bad player.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />haha you can tell that someone is overly mad when they start calling you out on your skill even though it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. and for the record I&#039;m a better player than you are.<br /><br />:odaflex:', 'xx', 1);
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	(4893, 513, 20, 1317910808, 213, 4900, 'Re: Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 1317925958, 'MassVC', 'Did you copy and paste this here because nobody was paying attention to you in the other thread?&nbsp; You must think nobody saw it.&nbsp; Except everybody did see it, and they didn&#039;t care.<br /><br />Besides, this might be Jkist3 trolling us with a fake account.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7446, 723, 22, 1346560589, 214, 7447, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.17.186', 1, 1346562903, 'Ru5tK1ng', 'I see the only options for H to have taken are as follows:<br />Kicking Tosen out<br />Temporary Suspension<br />Condemnation by the Leader<br />Nothing<br /><br />I think the best course would have been a message from the Leader speaking on behalf of his clan and acknowledging that Tosen&#039;s actions were retarded. However, instead we got:<br /><br />[quote]I do not care what happens on Odamex. We are a Zandronum clan and not responsible for anything that happens on another port. Tosen is not being kicked out.[/quote]<br /><br />He has every right to say anything and take any action he pleases. My point is that legion and whoever else have no reason to get upset when I say their clan harbors a retard and pretty much doesn&#039;t care. You guys choose to stick around and that is perfectly fine. You have every right to. Just don&#039;t be surprised when it rubs people the wrong way.<br /><br />p.s. legion, your clan will never be UD. In response to your points:<br /><br />1) Your clan operates inefficiently<br />2) Your clan is less good<br />3) You may not care, but some people still do care about folks like Thunder or Toke (who have been named faked postmortem)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4902, 510, 17, 1317927647, 10, 4902, 'Re: Even teams', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '64.141.192.13', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=510.msg4894#msg4894 date=1317911861]The league stepping in to directly administrate more fair teams is a bad thing.&nbsp; This league is run in the USA, not Canada, and in the USA, we aren&#039;t too fond of socialism.[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4898, 512, 18, 1317916315, 2174, 4898, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.254.95.70', 1, 0, '', 'Congrats to the winning maps. Nice to see I got close... I have to say I had fun doing this, I look forward to the next contest.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7631, 739, 1, 1348650986, 4, 7631, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '99.32.168.118', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=capodecima link=topic=739.msg7630#msg7630 date=1348648919]if we will play random map for condition 2-2 , player which had more frags pick server for final game[/quote]<br /><br />Wrong. It should be a coin-toss. Meticulously counting frags as a tiebreaker is stupid. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7816, 758, 25, 1352744506, 267, 7816, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.135.148.160', 1, 1352744777, 'RecK', 'ill play.<br />availability: Thursday,Friday(Nights) and Sunday ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8088, 786, 17, 1357594038, 10, 8089, 'Re: Real talk.', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.132.74', 1, 1357595265, 'Ralphis', '[quote][19:45] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@195.198.211.203<br />[19:45] * Pollution was kicked by dewww (dewww)<br />[19:46] &lt;Nautilus&gt; ROFL<br />[19:46] &lt;@RottKing&gt; deww is gonna take pollution down to zero<br />[19:47] &lt;@Antlint&gt; lmao<br />[19:47] &lt;@dewww&gt; you can quit too soul, see if i care[/quote]<br /><br />[quote][21:04] &lt;@dewww&gt; i&#039;ve banned jenova a thousand times for that and ralph unbanned him every time<br />[21:05] &lt;@dewww&gt; this is just ralph&#039;s personal animosity<br />[21:05] &lt;@Santalint&gt; you did ban Jen for silly reasons though<br />[21:06] &lt;@dewww&gt; yes, because any other mod can unban him immediatelly<br />14[21:06] * ShadowStalker (~ShadowSta@186.76.251.155) Quit (Quit: Quitting)<br />[21:06] &lt;Legion__&gt; well I think this channel is much nicer now<br />[21:06] &lt;Legion__&gt; thanks ralph<br />[21:06] &lt;Legion__&gt; merry christmas<br />08[21:06] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@pool-108-12-66-176.sangtx.dsl-w.verizon.net<br />04[21:06] * Legion__ was kicked by dewww (dewww)<br />[21:06] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; rofl<br />[21:07] &lt;@Santalint&gt; UD invented Christmas<br />[21:07] &lt;@dewww&gt; why am i stuck with that moron?[/quote]<br /><br />[quote][20:53] &lt;JK3&gt; being a professional cook and being the person sho prepares food @ home is diff<br />14[20:54] * JK3 (webchat@adsl-99-118-188-237.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) Quit (Quit: Page closed)<br />[20:54] &lt;@dewww&gt; yes, well, if the male has to work long hours to bring dollars home, it makes sense for the w...<br />[20:54] &lt;@dewww&gt; fuck you, jkist<br />[20:54] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; owned<br />[20:54] &lt;@dewww&gt; seriously<br />[20:54] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; don&#039;t got time for your shit<br />04[20:54] * JKist3 was kicked by dewww (dewww)<br />[20:54] &lt;Xenaero&gt; UH OH<br />[20:55] &lt;Xenaero&gt; SPAGHETTIOS<br />[20:55] &lt;AlexMax&gt; lol<br />[20:56] &lt;AlexMax&gt; RottKing, contributor to Shit Reddit Says<br />[20:56] &lt;Xenaero&gt; reddit game servers are pretty chill<br />03[20:56] * JKist3 (~JKist3@99.118.188.237) has joined #idl<br />[20:56] &lt;JKist3&gt; dewww you seem a bit sensitive abotu this<br />[20:56] &lt;JKist3&gt; whats the matter<br />[20:57] &lt;JKist3&gt; are you a house husband or something<br />[20:58] &lt;Fluffles_&gt; nah thats gyross<br />[20:58] &lt;Xenaero&gt; gyross is a babe<br />[20:59] &lt;@dewww&gt; you left when i was postulating<br />[20:59] &lt;@dewww&gt; it doesn&#039;t matter what i was talking about<br />03[20:59] * bless_ (~bless@24-178-119-194.dhcp.nwnn.ga.charter.com) has joined #idl<br />[20:59] &lt;JKist3&gt; i thnk u kicked me<br />[20:59] &lt;JKist3&gt; i never left<br />[21:00] &lt;@dewww&gt; you left with the other connection<br />[21:00] &lt;@dewww&gt; i clearly couldn&#039;t kick that one, duh<br />[21:01] &lt;@dewww&gt; anyways<br />[21:01] &lt;JKist3&gt; oh boy so if im on irc twice<br />[21:01] &lt;JKist3&gt; and close one of the clients<br />[21:02] &lt;JKist3&gt; thats called running away<br />[21:02] &lt;@dewww&gt; more &quot;average&quot; men learning to cook clearly stems from longer single life<br />[21:02] &lt;@dewww&gt; which is also related to women getting more independent<br />[21:02] &lt;Xenaero&gt; you should settle this with a duel<br />[21:02] &lt;strangle__&gt; on zdaemon<br />[21:02] &lt;@dewww&gt; so it&#039;s basically women got more independent -&gt; men learned how to cook<br />[21:02] &lt;JKist3&gt; you seem to be on the rag now constantly<br />[21:03] &lt;JKist3&gt; are you trying to even out this increasing female independence by becoming more feminine urself<br />[21:04] &lt;@dewww&gt; jkist, are you signing up this season?<br />08[21:04] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@99.118.188.237<br />04[21:04] * JKist3 was kicked by dewww (dewww)<br />[21:05] &lt;Xenaero&gt; you didnt wait for a reply!!!!<br />[21:05] &lt;@dewww&gt; thank you, folks, it&#039;s been a fun evening<br />[21:05] &lt;@dewww&gt; gotta sleep, manly work tomorrow<br />[21:05] &lt;@dewww&gt; in 4 hrs D:<br />[21:05] &lt;@dewww&gt; gn<br />[21:05] &lt;Xenaero&gt; thats a very girl thing to do..<br />14[21:05] * @dewww (~dewww@dewww.users.quakenet.org) Quit (Quit: look what you made me do)[/quote]<br /><br />[quote]19:37] &lt;Jenova&gt; with dew in charge<br />[19:37] &lt;Jenova&gt; oh boy<br />[19:37] &lt;Jenova&gt; dew<br />[19:37] &lt;@dewww&gt; infurnus, no one says &quot;caucasian&quot; in europe<br />[19:37] &lt;Jenova&gt; the guy who hasn&#039;t won a single idl masterbowl<br />[19:37] &lt;infurnus&gt; I know, it was a joke clan or whatever<br />[19:37] &lt;Jenova&gt; useless<br />[19:37] &lt;Jenova&gt; seriously<br />[19:37] &lt;@dewww&gt; i still have the title though<br />[19:38] &lt;Jenova&gt; comes in here like people will take him seriously<br />[19:38] &lt;Jenova&gt; all he does is bitch and complain because there are better players (99% of doom)<br />[19:38] &lt;Jenova&gt; and boast about speedrunning rofl<br />08[19:38] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@68.168.212.106<br />04[19:38] * Jenova was kicked by dewww (dewww)<br />[19:38] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; D:<br />[19:38] &lt;@dewww&gt; fucking. trash.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote][20:03] &lt;Legion__&gt; 2012-09-23&nbsp; 18:48:42&nbsp; &lt;dewww&gt;	so while legion is utterly incompetent, he actually might surprise on THIS map<br />[20:03] &lt;Legion__&gt; you&#039;re one to talk<br />[20:03] &lt;Jenova&gt; lmao<br />[20:03] &lt;Jenova&gt; damn<br />[20:03] &lt;Jenova&gt; dewww you here<br />[20:03] &lt;Jenova&gt; you gonna take that??<br />14[20:03] * ros (~RoSKing@c-98-250-177-179.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) Quit (Ping timeout)<br />03[20:04] * RoSKing (~RoSKing@c-98-250-177-179.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #idl<br />[20:06] &lt;@dewww&gt; and what should i do, jen?<br />[20:06] &lt;@dewww&gt; kickban him?<br />[20:06] &lt;Jenova&gt; no<br />[20:06] &lt;Jenova&gt; talk shit back<br />[20:06] &lt;Legion__&gt; yeah you already did that dewww<br />[20:06] &lt;@dewww&gt; why?<br />[20:06] &lt;Jenova&gt; to entertain me<br />[20:06] &lt;Legion__&gt; your powerhungry dumbass quota has already been filled<br />[20:06] &lt;Jenova&gt; damn<br />[20:06] &lt;@dewww&gt; i won when we played sxp in the season<br />[20:06] &lt;Jenova&gt; holy shit<br />[20:07] &lt;@dewww&gt; and legion lost<br />[20:07] &lt;Jenova&gt; Legion__ are you implying that dewww is the new nostar<br />[20:07] &lt;@dewww&gt; that&#039;s about all i can say<br />[20:07] &lt;Stall&gt; this is getting serious<br />[20:07] &lt;Legion__&gt; I&#039;m implying that nostar was the new dewww<br />[20:07] &lt;Jenova&gt; damn<br />[20:07] &lt;Stall&gt; :O<br />[20:07] &lt;Legion__&gt; dew was the original idiot<br />[20:07] &lt;Jenova&gt; holy shit<br />[20:07] &lt;Jenova&gt; i gotta go take a cold shower<br />[20:07] &lt;Jenova&gt; that was just brutal<br />08[20:07] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@pool-71-115-110-88.sangtx.dsl-w.verizon.net<br />04[20:07] * Legion__ was kicked by dewww (dewww)<br />[20:07] &lt;@Antlint&gt; rofl<br />[20:07] &lt;@dewww&gt; earned it, buddy[/quote]<br /><br />[quote][13:52] &lt;Legion&gt; oblacek is ran by imbeciles<br />[13:52] &lt;Legion&gt; seeing as they&#039;re all czech<br />[13:52] &lt;@dewww&gt; you&#039;re a moronic mongoloid<br />[13:52] &lt;Legion&gt; rofl<br />[13:53] &lt;AlexMax&gt; morning dewww <br />[13:53] &lt;AlexMax&gt; hows things?<br />[13:53] &lt;capodecima&gt; he was PMed me soul :p<br />[13:53] &lt;@Antlint&gt; oh<br />[13:53] &lt;@Antlint&gt; mkay<br />03[13:53] * Nautilus_ (~Nautilus@pool-108-56-42-26.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined #idl<br />[13:54] &lt;@dewww&gt; all&#039;s cool soul<br />[13:54] &lt;Legion&gt; dewww I think you should be less of an agressive dickhead<br />[13:54] &lt;@dewww&gt; i&#039;m at my sister&#039;s bday celeb<br />[13:54] &lt;Legion&gt; it doesnt really suit you that well<br />[13:54] &lt;@dewww&gt; don&#039;t expect anything legion<br />[13:54] &lt;AlexMax&gt; dewww: How are the new gamemodes working out?<br />[13:54] &lt;@dewww&gt; not when you&#039;re running a campaign against anything that&#039;s not to your liking<br />[13:54] &lt;AlexMax&gt; in zd?<br />[13:55] &lt;Legion&gt; dewww I&#039;m not running a campaign<br />[13:55] &lt;@dewww&gt; you react with bind-like insults to anything that stands &quot;against&quot; you<br />[13:55] &lt;Legion&gt; this is just my personal experience: oblaeck has idiots running it right now<br />[13:55] &lt;AlexMax&gt; yo dewww <br />08[13:55] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@Legion.users.quakenet.org<br />[13:55] &lt;AlexMax&gt; don&#039;t talk to legion<br />04[13:55] * Legion was kicked by dewww (dewww)<br />[13:55] &lt;AlexMax&gt; he&#039;s bad for your blood pressure<br />[13:55] &lt;@dewww&gt; the return of the czech dictator<br />[13:56] &lt;@Antlint&gt; calm down dewww<br />[13:56] &lt;@Antlint&gt; D:<br />[13:56] &lt;@dewww&gt; i am calm now that fagion is gone[/quote]<br /><br />[quote]08[14:30] * HumanBones sets mode: +b *!*@strangle.users.quakenet.org<br />04[14:30] * strangl was kicked by HumanBones (bye annoying troll)<br />03[14:31] * rangle (~strangl@adsl-69-154-180-212.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) has joined #idl<br />[14:31] &lt;rangle&gt; hi HumanBones<br />08[14:31] * HumanBones sets mode: +b *!*@adsl-69-154-180-212.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net<br />04[14:31] * rangle was kicked by HumanBones (rangle)<br />08[14:31] * HumanBones sets mode: +u<br />[14:31] &lt;Null7&gt; what is +u<br />[14:31] &lt;@HumanBones&gt; I don&#039;t know<br />[14:31] &lt;TheSpider&gt; what did rangle do<br />08[14:32] * HumanBones sets mode: -tnu<br />08[14:32] * Q sets mode: +tn<br />[14:32] &lt;Null7&gt; Lol<br />[14:32] &lt;dewww&gt; strangle made the mistake of thinking anyone gives a shit about him[/quote]<br /><br />What was that about breaking off the chains of subjugation and complaining about personal animosities? ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8599, 851, 29, 1362185066, 2303, 8599, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jarin_cz link=topic=851.msg8598#msg8598 date=1362173278]<br />guy with ping advantage and still losing, :facepalm:&nbsp; ???<br />[/quote]<br />Cause fluffles is the best. Ping doesn&#039;t stop him.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5859, 576, 18, 1326235108, 2197, 5859, 'Re: The New IDL Reserve League', 'Merk', 'merk21582@yahoo.com', '75.185.212.235', 1, 0, '', 'Sweet I&#039;m game. When shall we begin?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7447, 723, 22, 1346561751, 157, 7447, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.224', 1, 0, '', '[quote]He has every right to say anything and take any action he pleases. My point is that legion and whoever else have no reason to get upset when I say their clan harbors a retard and pretty much doesn&#039;t care.[/quote]<br />I am not upset about anything but what does annoy me is when people make crazy accusations and others actually believe them<br />[quote]You guys choose to stick to stick around and that is perfectly fine. You have every right to. Just don&#039;t be surprised when it rubs people the wrong way.[/quote]<br />this is understandable.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4904, 517, 17, 1317929386, 10, 4904, 'The Draft', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '64.141.192.13', 1, 0, '', 'Has anyone ever found any correlation between draft position and success while taking &quot;captain skill&quot; (hard to quantify) into account? Is there any proof of what system is better than another?<br /><br />In lieu of such information, I say keep the original system! It worked fine for years and produced teams that were competitive throughout the entire draft. Sometimes things don&#039;t have to be changed for the sake of being cute', 'xx', 1);
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	(7680, 742, 24, 1348970208, 8, 7680, 'Vengeance CTF Tournament Introduction', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Many of you have been asking what exactly the Vengeance CTF Tournament is. It is time for you to find out! Perhaps mentioning the European Vendetta Tournaments that were hosted on ZDaemon a few years back may jog your memory, but let me explain it all to you just in case. <br /><br />[b]Format:[/b] <br /><br />Basically, Vengeance is a offense-favored 3v3 sign-up tournament. Each team that enters will have to play all the other signed up teams on 4 maps. The catch is, the winners are decided by the number of overall flags captured, not rounds won. In the event of a tie (ex: 15 flags to 15 flags), a secret 5th map will be used as a tiebreaker. At the end of the entire tournament, whichever team has scored the most flags will be declared the winner. If two teams tie at the end, they will play each other on the 4 maps.<br /><br />[b]Teams:[/b]<br /><br />This is a sign-up tournament, meaning anyone can form a team and sign up. Although it will be played 3v3, a team is allowed to sign up up to [b]5[/b] players on one team. This will help alleviate any issues where teams may not be able to locate one or two of it&#039;s members. Please designate a team captain. <br /><br />[b]Maps:[/b]<br /><br />[url=http://humanbones.unidoom.org/vengeancectf/dpctf01.jpg]dpctf map01[/url], [url=http://humanbones.unidoom.org/vengeancectf/velo2map03.jpg]velocity map03[/url], [url=http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/32in24-7.wad/map22.png]32in24-7 map22[/url], [url=http://humanbones.unidoom.org/vengeancectf/32-12-11.jpg]32in24-12 map11[/url]<br /><br />A wad will be provided for you within the week.&nbsp; <br /><br />[b]Rules:[/b]<br /><br />- Tournament will last from October 15th, 2012 - December 1st, 2012. All games must be played during that time.<br /><br />- Any team that holds up the tournament for a significant amount of time will be disqualified. <br /><br />- Games must be played on the [IDL Chicago] servers that are located on Odamex.<br /><br />- Demos should be posted in the results thread along with the scores. There should be at least one person recording per game. <br /><br />[b]Administrators:[/b]<br /><br />The admins for this tournament are Dew, SoulSucka, and HumanBones. Any complaints or issues should be brought to their attention. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7806, 759, 18, 1352700823, 8, 7863, 'IDL Winter 2013 Signups Open!', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1354415235, 'HumanBones', '[center][b][size=16pt]IDL Winter 2013 Signups Open[/size][/b][/center]<br />[center]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[b][url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=758.0]Signups for IDL Winter 2013 are now open![/url][/b]&nbsp; Interested players may sign up using this template:<br /><br />[quote]<br />Name: Ralphis<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email contact: ralphis@coolsite.com<br />Instant Message Contact: ralphissfr6 (AIM)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings except Wednesday and Friday (due to work)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[b]This season, the IDL is not invite only. When an active player signs up they will be added to the Free Agency list. You can sign up by posting in the signup thread or contacting a member of the IDL Administration.[/b] <br /><br />[url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=757.0]Click here to view the Free Agency list.[/url]<br /><br />The IDL is first and foremost interested in signing up [b]active players[/b], and the best ways of us finding out who&#039;s active and who&#039;s not are [u]Private CTF[/u], [u]IRC[/u], and the signup thread.&nbsp; If you know of players who would be interested, feel free to have them sign up. However, simply signing up [b]does not[/b] guarantee a spot on the Free Agency list..<br /><br />[u][b]The best way to increase your chances of being placed on the Free Agency list is to play Private CTF with the other IDL players, as well as spending time in the official IDL IRC channel.[/b][/u]&nbsp; For Private CTF info and the latest IDL news, come to #idl at irc.quakenet.org.<br /><br />Signups will close at 11:59pm EST, December 10th, 2012.<br /><br />[size=4][b]&gt;&gt;&gt; [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=758.0]Sign up here![/url] &lt;&lt;&lt;[/b][/size]<br /><br />[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8089, 786, 17, 1357595247, 75, 8089, 'Re: Real talk.', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'what can i say - i can get emotional when provoked. all those bans were cleared within a few hours max, though. unlike you banning mike seemingly for good (until you realized you were banning the wrong person and got lb banned from twitter instead). absolute power.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4908, 513, 20, 1317945954, 89, 4908, 'Re: Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '65.68.74.167', 1, 0, '', 'I forgot to say he split it so he could turn it into a flamethread, so it should stay forever .', 'xx', 1);
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	(4910, 505, 20, 1317959884, 163, 4910, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'Skill-wise, between Gyross and Collision, there&#039;s not much of a difference. Gyross is simply more reliable and it paid off for DMR. But if Collision were to become more dedicated, I still think DMR had a good chance either way. They still would have won in map26 over TKV with Coll and there&#039;s no way KGB was going to beat them in map03. The MB might have been more interesting because nobody really expected BBC to give DMR that much of a fight in 29. Regardless, you can&#039;t really speculate. Strangle and Coll do have a good history together so it wasn&#039;t really a bad trade for Strangle either. I wouldn&#039;t have done it because he no-shows, that&#039;s all.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4911, 505, 20, 1317965252, 10, 4911, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Instead of talking about Strangle&#039;s trades, you should instead talk about his F grade draft', 'xx', 1);
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	(6396, 627, 18, 1331046726, 163, 6396, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.209.72', 1, 0, '', 'Pretty cool video! That being said, if you wanted sensational, all you had to do was film me 24/7. Also, the RottKing intro was classic!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7682, 744, 18, 1348972502, 8, 7682, 'Vengeance CTF Tournament', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'I have made a post outlining the details for the Vengeance CTF Tournament, the offseason event I have been mentioning for a few months. [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=742.0]Take a look[/url] and [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=743.0]sign up a team[/url]!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4951, 515, 17, 1318292523, 10, 4951, 'Re: New team names?', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'welp, idl ruined', 'xx', 1);
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	(9370, 948, 31, 1380313832, 15, 9370, 'Re: Uhhhh Week 5 anyone?', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '72.53.121.132', 1, 1380314078, 'ItalianStallion', '[quote author=Massvc]Is it only half of the players who are crying because LAG and refuse to play their games with the other half, or is it the whole league that&#039;s crying themselves to sleep?<br />Did you guys not know for the past decade that lag is a part of online doom because it is the fastest competitive FPS?&nbsp; Is the trail of tears mostly being led by current and former board members and an absent commissioner, whose job it is to deal with complaints instead of wage them?&nbsp; I drink your tears.&nbsp; I drink them up.[/quote]<br /><br />I believe it&#039;s pretty much everyone at this point.&nbsp; There are some seriously strange occurrences that happen throughout a game that simply shouldn&#039;t be happening.&nbsp; Bug fixes that should of been fixed a long time ago, weren&#039;t.<br /><br />As for the people labeled as &quot;whiners&quot;, most of them, including myself, have helped report bugs to the devs numerous times.&nbsp; Some get resolved, some don&#039;t.&nbsp; It seems like some people think we&#039;re just bashing Odamex because we have nothing better to do.&nbsp; It&#039;s come to the point where I literally can&#039;t get a dev to follow me into a server to show them a bug.&nbsp; These &quot;whiners&quot; have been playing Doom longer than most in this community.&nbsp; Come to think of it, I don&#039;t really see you play much.&nbsp; Even when you&#039;re in a server you&#039;re usually on the sidelines watching.&nbsp; So your knowledge of how well it actually plays is quite limited.<br /><br />We&#039;ve obviously have played with lag before, lag is not the issue here.&nbsp; The issue, from what I can gather to my knowledge is a clusterfuck of mispredictions.&nbsp; As you can see with this image:[img]http://i.imgur.com/tpxVBMi.png[/img]<br /><br /><br />They were taken on the exact same tic.&nbsp; The one on the left is what I saw, the one of the right is without the movement prediction command enabled.&nbsp; Now, I&#039;m no programmer, I don&#039;t know what exactly caused this to happen.&nbsp; But it&#039;s pretty damn clear that there&#039;s something wrong with the prediction for it to be showing me one thing, but actually being something way off.&nbsp; Now you can imagine how this can have an effect on the game, and one&#039;s mental state.&nbsp; Just go ahead and ask Saber, or Nosturi how happy I was on ts during the masterbowl game season 1 [which we won] on Odamex.&nbsp; I wasn&#039;t, at all.&nbsp; Not even after we won the game.&nbsp; I was mostly disappointed that I had to endure that garbage for what 6 rounds?&nbsp; Odamex didn&#039;t kill IDL, it&#039;s killing my hairline.<br /><br />As someone who has been on top of the frag% and frag count in numerous seasons, I can say playing this port is literally a nightmare.&nbsp; Each shot is a coin flip, no matter how you try to adjust.&nbsp; Leading shots, trailing, or shooting directly at the sprite have different outcomes on each player.&nbsp; I could care less about playing with latency.&nbsp; Because I was always able, and still am, to adjust to ping differences on other ports.&nbsp; Odamex is just a crap shoot.<br /><br />[quote author=Massvc]&quot;Odamex is broken.&quot; Bullshit.&nbsp; We&#039;ve played thousands of successful rounds of CTF on Odamex, and we never drowned ourselves in baby-urine and cry-snot before.&nbsp; Is the new version so bad?&nbsp; Go back to the old version.&nbsp; I&#039;m not an oda-sympathizer; I&#039;m a classic oda-hater, but I&#039;m an even bigger baby-hater.&nbsp; I wish I could drown them all in a bathtub.&nbsp; This strikes me as one of the easiest-to-fix problems the IDL has ever faced.[/quote]<br /><br />What you fail to realize is that the reason we can&#039;t go back to the last version is because the last version had a pretty serious server crash on restart bug.&nbsp; And going even further back brings back even more bugs that were fixed in 6.3.&nbsp; It&#039;s not a simple fix.&nbsp; One of the major selling points to moving to oda was the direct communication with the devs.&nbsp; Since the only one who seemed to give a shit was Dr.sean, I can only imagine that he&#039;s been up to his limit with work to do on something that is done on his free time.&nbsp; Leaving him to do all the work just seems absurd, and bad project management.<br /><br />I thought the plan was to finish the season, and dust off our hands.&nbsp; To my knowledge Watermelon was put in charge of scheduling, and well, here we are.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9403, 954, 18, 1381254206, 49, 9403, 'Re: IDL Staff Update: Co-Commissioner Named', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '69.7.228.244', 1, 0, '', 'should&#039;ve just let the league stay dead', 'xx', 1);
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	(5860, 577, 21, 1326237093, 75, 5860, 'Basic info for supervisors', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'Use IDL priv servers (or perhaps future dedicated servers), not the league ones. It&#039;d make sense if you managed to acquire RCON to police the games.<br /><br />Don&#039;t imbalance the player pool by allowing top tier players to participate. This is the true parity experiment, so don&#039;t ruin even the reserve league for FAs.<br /><br />If you decide to set up a session date in advance, double-check it for collisions with IDL games. Post-game privs might be a good idea, but don&#039;t try to compete.<br /><br />This is extremely important: Right now, it looks like I&#039;ll be doing the stats by hand, so I need some help. Supervisors need to be present in the server for the whole game, obviously, but they also need to:<br /><br />[list type=decimal]<br />[li]Record a demo. Obvious.[/li]<br /><br />[li]Run a logfile. It is invaluable for fast fact checks.<br /><br />IDE: In &quot;Launch Game Parameters&quot; and add the following line in the &quot;Additional Doom Parameters&quot;:<br /><br />+logfile D:\\doom2\\demos\\%DATE%_%TIME%_%WAD%.txt<br />(of course you may customize it, this example will label the file with date, time and wad variables, which is rather useful)<br /><br />ZLauncher: Add the same to Settings -&gt; General -&gt; Extra Command Line Parameters. It might look like this:<br /><br />-netrecord demos\\%DATE%_%TIME%_%WAD% +logfile demos\\%DATE%_%TIME%_%WAD%<br />[/li]<br /><br />[li][b]Use automatic screenshots![/b] This function will capture all the intermission screens automatically, so you don&#039;t have to wait around all the time. I will need this for stats.<br /><br />You need to edit your zdoom.ini configuration file in the ZDaemon folder. [b]The 1.08 folder![/b] If you have 1.09 installed, you need to go to the VER_10800 subfolder and edit the config file there. You are interested in this:<br /><br />[b]screenshot_scores=true<br />screenshot_type=png[/b]<br /><br />i added the second thing so you don&#039;t go around using .pcx, because srsly. we&#039;re not in the 90&#039;s anymore.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />basically, i will eat your head if you don&#039;t provide screenshots. i will gladly have children with you if you do the stat maths for me, though.', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(7448, 723, 22, 1346563757, 7, 7448, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.96.209', 1, 0, '', 'I, and everyone else, never want to hear from Tosen again.&nbsp; I want him to vanish into the ether.&nbsp; I want to burn down his high school and the hospital he was born in.<br /><br />Besides the fact that he&#039;s a pigdicked piece of shit, there&#039;s a good reason I never want to hear from Tosen again, and it&#039;s [b]deterrence[/b].&nbsp; The reason people hardly ever do this in IDL is that we ruin their asses.&nbsp; IDL is respected, so when its admins ask server admins to ban him and clan leaders to ostracize him, they do it.<br /><br />If H doesn&#039;t boot Tosen, it shows that they have no respect for IDL.&nbsp; If you guys remain in H, that also shows that you have no respect for IDL, so you shouldn&#039;t be surprised when IDL says, and these are just some of the things I&#039;ve heard, that you have &quot;penis breath&quot;, or keep trying to give &quot;rim jobs&quot; because you &quot;love the taste of shit curds&quot;.<br /><br />I&#039;ve heard some bullshit about how Tosen is &quot;banned on Odamex&quot;, and how it shouldn&#039;t matter to an st2 clan that Tosen did something in IDL or on Odamex.<br /><br />First, you can&#039;t be &quot;banned on Odamex&quot;.&nbsp; Second, I wish you guys wouldn&#039;t be such pussies while you try and rationalize keeping Tosen in your clan.&nbsp; These excuses are bullshit, IDL isn&#039;t Odamex, IDL is a port-independent, player-based CTF league.&nbsp; We should be proud of IDL, what it stands for and what it&#039;s achieved, and we should defend it when it&#039;s assaulted.<br /><br />Take your retarded philosophy to its logical conclusion.&nbsp; If it&#039;s OK for st2 clans to fuck up non-st2 events, then what you&#039;re saying is that st2 clans are more important than IDL.&nbsp; That&#039;s so stupid I don&#039;t think I can properly qualify it; maybe I can illustrate it with a few simple questions:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Will H be around for 6 years?<br />&nbsp; - Will H constantly push the boundaries of ports, mapping, and competitive CTF?<br />&nbsp; - Will H attract new players to Doom and CTF while keeping veterans interested?<br />&nbsp; - Will H transform competitive infrastructure with a stats and demo archive reaching back years?<br />&nbsp; - Will H reach across ports and clans to provide the best gaming experience in Doom?<br /><br />The answer to all these questions is [b]ROFL OBVIOUSLY NOT[/b].<br /><br />Is Hydra Redshirt?&nbsp; Why are you guys in a clan run by that kid?&nbsp; He thinks he&#039;s being a boss keeping some faggot in his clan who fucked around with IDL, but all that means is that he&#039;s so self-absorbed that he thinks his clan is more important than IDL.&nbsp; He named his clan [b]AFTER HIMSELF[/b].&nbsp; Is that really what you want to be associated with?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7681, 743, 24, 1348972348, 8, 7723, 'Vengeance Sign Ups (CLOSED)', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1349926271, 'HumanBones', 'Please sign up using this template:<br /><br />[b]Team Name:<br /><br />Captain:<br /><br />Members:<br /><br />Contact:[/b]<br /><br />Signups will run from September 30th until October 10th.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7633, 739, 1, 1348658246, 157, 7633, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/viN8V.png[/img]<br />remind me again, why do I want to play on the nl server', 'xx', 1);
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	(7817, 758, 25, 1352746007, 145, 7817, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.143.86.117', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Fluffles<br />Country: GB<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl <br />Regular Availability: Like 1pm-6pm American time zones in the week, Friday from 1pm-9pm then sat/sunday you wont even see me.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7864, 761, 18, 1354415379, 8, 7896, 'Winter 2013 Signups Extended', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1355081083, 'HumanBones', 'In order to accommodate for the upcoming release of Odamex 0.6.2, [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=758.0]Winter 2013 signups[/url] have been extended until [b]Wednesday, December 12th, 2012.[/b] ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7939, 762, 25, 1355703837, 235, 7939, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Godsdoomer', 'sean20202@hotmail.com', '98.217.93.72', 1, 1355703968, 'Godsdoomer', 'Im not trying to look like a know it all, but if ive come off like that, sorry. <br /><br />@Ralph<br />Im not a fan of the administration of ZD, I just like the port; and so do other players who don&#039;t speak because they are never asked to, so I don&#039;t see how my lack of participation makes my post any less credible, even if my views were based on skewed ideas. I don&#039;t want to fall into some sort of semantic trap again so ill just stop there.<br /><br />@ bones<br />Now that I think about it, I can vaguely remember trying out oda with others before the league had moved there.<br /><br />I know that everyone can&#039;t be pleased with the change to oda - me being one of them. The reasons for the move from what Ive heard is that zd was a &quot;dieing&quot; port, and the fact that zd administration wouldn&#039;t give the league the new server clients or whatever they&#039;re called.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4916, 510, 17, 1317996527, 163, 4916, 'Re: Even teams', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m somewhat socialistic. But I don&#039;t think it&#039;s necessary for the league to step in and &quot;equal teams out.&quot; I think we&#039;re going to be ok this season, we&#039;re getting some very early hype/interest and that is a good sign. But when you say reverse snake draft, could you explain a little more with an example or two, Mass?', 'xx', 1);
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	(5861, 575, 20, 1326255904, 267, 5861, 'Re: ChaosCore Servers I2 Priority Traffic', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.225.209.30', 1, 0, '', 'oh finally, thanks beast&nbsp; im gonna bang a chick in your name this friday ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4914, 510, 17, 1317993955, 213, 4917, 'Re: Even teams', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 1318014272, 'MassVC', 'I must admit, the US of A is a little behind the times on the matter&nbsp; of social welfare as compared with almost every other first-world nation...<br /><br />But then why do all three of you endorse a snake draft ordered by ascending past season record?&nbsp; Isn&#039;t that an early-pick handout to last season&#039;s losers?&nbsp; Isn&#039;t that us administrating fair teams?&nbsp; Isn&#039;t that [i]socialism[/i]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4918, 510, 17, 1318014575, 213, 4918, 'Re: Even teams', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'That was a typo.&nbsp; I meant reverse draft.<br /><br />Secondly, to Bones/Ralphis, what if the season [i]just happened[/i] to turn out evenly?&nbsp; Would that be good or bad, and, if it is good, then why?&nbsp; That was Ladna&#039;s question.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5869, 576, 18, 1326288439, 0, 5869, 'Re: The New IDL Reserve League', 'capodecima', '', '90.179.151.60', 1, 1326288890, 'capodecima', 'its really good idea&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(6699, 653, 18, 1335528860, 0, 6699, 'Re: IDL-R Week 3 Gametimes', 'Shpongler', '', '194.228.150.205', 1, 0, '', 'almost eurotime&nbsp; 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7865, 762, 25, 1354437772, 163, 7865, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.110.106.48', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=758.msg7863#msg7863 date=1354338005]<br />[quote author= anyone]<br /><br />TL;DR: I am not singing up. Sorry folks.&nbsp; :&#039;(<br />[/quote]<br />why not<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re making a joke and referring to me as &quot;anyone&quot; or if that&#039;s directed at the general population of players not signing up. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7940, 762, 25, 1355706382, 157, 7940, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.70.171', 1, 0, '', 'all this crying about playing fucking doom holy shit<br /><br />please go back into the kitchen and make me a sandwich because you are all obviously a bunch of women', 'xx', 1);
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	(8018, 775, 25, 1356313804, 8, 8018, 'Winter 2013 Draft Results', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1356318603, 'Ru5tK1ng', '# | Player | Team<br />[hr]<br />[b]CAPTAINS[/b]<br />1 CP&nbsp; Tai&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Killing Browns<br />2 CP&nbsp; Strangle&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Fnordy Niners <br />3 CP&nbsp; Ten&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Brokeback Cowboys<br />4 CP&nbsp; Shane&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; We&#039;re All Doomed<br />5 CP&nbsp; Ralphis&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Super Chargers<br />6 CP&nbsp; Antlint&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Berserker Packers<br />7 CP&nbsp; HumanBones&nbsp; Sexual Panthers<br />8 CP&nbsp; Legion&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Boxers and Dooming<br />[hr]<br />[b]ROUND 1[/b]<br />1 |&nbsp; LordBritish <br />2 |&nbsp; Prime<br />3 |&nbsp; Mass<br />4 |&nbsp; Ru5tK1ng<br />5 |&nbsp; turSKA<br />6 |&nbsp; Fluffles<br />7 |&nbsp; DevastatioN<br />8 |&nbsp; Reckless<br />[hr]<br />[b]ROUND 2[/b]<br />9 |&nbsp;  Dew<br />10 | Hex9109<br />11 | Dragon<br />12 | Nautilus<br />13 | Bojan<br />14 | SwiftShot<br />15 | Spider<br />16 | Jarin<br />[hr] <br />[b]ROUND 3[/b]<br />17 | Perrondon<br />18 | Roscoe<br />19 | Bless_<br />20 | Quiksilver<br />21 | Dr. Sean<br />22 | Decay<br />23 | Rude (allday)<br />24 | Beast<br />[hr]<br />[b]Remaining Free Agents[/b]<br />Dawsonation<br />DevilutioN<br />Godsdoomer<br />IceDragon<br />Lord_Draikus<br />ModeneseAdriano<br />Necro_Kid<br />Nub_hat<br />ShadowStalker', 'xx', 1);
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	(8131, 786, 17, 1358050253, 73, 8131, 'Re: Real talk.', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '50.90.39.128', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=AlexMax link=topic=786.msg8095#msg8095 date=1357603367]<br />The only thing that I can conclude from this thread is that Kilgore won.&nbsp; Great work, everyone.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I agree. After reading all these logs, I feel reminiscent of the old days when the douche was one guy we could all be mad at and have a sense of camaraderie doing it. This is just sad. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3201, 366, 26, 1294691990, 69, 3201, 'Waiver Wire', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '76.178.184.215', 1, 0, '', 'Teams can drop any player they want after the trade deadline. However, the dropped player will be placed on the &quot;waiver wire&quot; for a specific period.<br /> <br />The waiver period for each player will be until the following Monday from the official drop. Player will be assigned to a team or pass waivers at 11:59:59 EST Monday.<br /> <br />Any team can make a blind claim for the player within this period of time. In a blind claim, teams will be notified that a claim has been placed on a player but will not know which team or teams placed a claim.<br /> <br />The waiver claim order will initially go by worst record. However, once a team picks a player up off of waivers, they will go to the end of the waiver claim order.<br /> <br />If no team makes a claim within the waiver period, the player becomes a free agent.<br /> <br />Any team that wins a claim must take the player onto their roster.<br /> <br />Waiver wire opens at the close of the trade deadline.<br /> <br />Teams are NOT permitted to make any roster changes after their week 8 game.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6700, 653, 18, 1335537152, 0, 6700, 'Re: IDL-R Week 3 Gametimes', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.40.37.68', 1, 0, '', 'You better show up this time, Capo. :[', 'xx', 1);
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	(4921, 514, 17, 1318018698, 7, 4921, '&quot;Better&quot; Captains', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'Talking with some IDL players, the thing I hear most is &quot;get better captains&quot;.&nbsp; But there are some questions that go along with that:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]How can we determine that 1 player is a better captain than another?[/li]<br />[li]Does it make sense to retain captains that aren&#039;t specifically dismissed by the &quot;missed playoffs twice consecutively&quot; rule?&nbsp; It was part of the franchising system, but franchising is gone so is there any benefit to keeping it?[/li]<br />[li]Is there some kind of loyalty IDL should show to players who volunteer to be captains, even if they ditch games and wreck their team?[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />And thanks to everyone for participating in IDL discussion thus far.&nbsp; It&#039;s important that administrators know what we think so they can make IDL more fun for all of us :D .', 'xx', 1);
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	(5862, 576, 18, 1326257717, 46, 5862, 'Re: The New IDL Reserve League', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '98.201.113.170', 1, 0, '', 'I applaud and support this idea.<br /><br />Sounds self propagating, too, assuming plenty of willing and active supervisors.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6398, 627, 18, 1331060563, 19, 6399, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.231.24', 1, 1331063519, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=ThatsJustPrime link=topic=627.msg6397#msg6397 date=1331060188]<br />Nice vid! There&#039;s one cap by Nosturi that is awesome if you want to check it out. It&#039;s week 5 (map 08) first round with about 3:30 left in TCB vs KNF. Prob one of the best caps of the season!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This irritates me something fierce. I went around the channel every week asking like 5 times for anything good someone might have seen. Killin&#039; me, man. Killin&#039; me. Oh well, it&#039;s the spirit of the vid. Spread it around and try to get more people interested in playing IDL!<br /><br />I also heard today that Mass had a really good frag spree in map32. That&#039;s unfortunate, since I was putting this together before the Week9&#039;s games were underway, thinking the map was too chaotic for any really watchable plays to be made, and also wanting it to hit before playoffs began. Oopsie.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6701, 654, 18, 1335669890, 8, 6701, 'Change', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Change is a simple word with a simple meaning. Change is a phrase often thrown around without much consequence. Change - a word easy to chant with no definite promise of action. For the International Doom League, the time for action is now. The need for change is obvious.<br /><br />The International Doom League has enjoyed a healthy and lengthy history; eleven complete seasons over five years is the easiest way to quantify the league&#039;s unrivaled success. Over 125 individuals have entered free agency during this run, compiling well over 500 recorded contests. More importantly, the International Doom League has helped bring together many individuals who shared no common connection with each other prior to the league&#039;s existence. Even with such an astounding record, a dark cloud has loomed over the league&#039;s head since its inception.<br /><br />When the International Doom League was founded in 2006, it was necessary to operate privately due to existing disagreements between league administration and the ZDaemon development team. Against all odds, the IDL built a strong following without any &quot;official&quot; support from ZDaemon and found ways to bring in enough new players to expand the total number of roster spots from 24 to 48 from the first season to the second. As the league continued to grow, the ZDaemon administration continued to attempt to cut IDL recruitment off, going so far as to ban the mere mention of the league on their official forums. Other ridiculous acts, likely aimed at negatively affecting the IDL, include releasing the new ZDaemon 1.09 server binaries to a select group of hand picked server hosts.<br /><br />Unfortunately, the IDL had very little options when it came to viable alternatives for many years. The two &quot;competitors&quot; to ZDaemon, Skulltag and Odamex, both had their own set of issues that made migration difficult and unwise. Skulltag offered a solid set of new ZDoom features but lacked many of the necessary physical quirks that league players had become accustomed to. A migration to Skulltag likely would&#039;ve caused a serious alienation of players who had been groomed for many years on ZDaemon. Odamex, while promising, had been in a serious developmental lull in 2009 and 2010.<br /><br />In 2011, the potential viability of Odamex experienced a serious positive spark thanks to a rejuvinated development team and a willingness to listen. The backlash against a closed, and quite frankly, lackluster ZDaemon 1.09 also had a hand in expediting the need for the IDL to seriously consider what direction was best for its future. The Odamex team spent much of the last year leading up to their 0.6 release attempting to provide a number of existing leagues such as the IDL the necessary tools and features to make migration possible. Hundreds upon hundreds of man hours spent testing by some of our very own top players coupled with a serious attention to detail by the Odamex development team has ensured that the IDL has a future home where the league won&#039;t be required to operate in the shadows of the &quot;community&quot;. Odamex now has everything the IDL needs to operate in the open while still ensuring the most high quality contests possible.<br /><br />Beginning with the Summer 2012 season, the International Doom League will operate exclusively on Odamex for the foreseeable future.<br /><br />I invite any player who hasn&#039;t had an opportunity to play Odamex 0.6 to join our organized games through #idl and #odamex, both on irc.quakenet.org. There will be plenty of time to become accustomed to the differences between ZDaemon 1.08 and Odamex. I anticipate most players should find the move considerably easy and painless. If you don&#039;t believe me, just ask around to some of the league&#039;s top players for their own testimony.<br /><br />The International Doom League plans on being in operation for many years to come. This move will help ensure this plan comes to fruition. The time for change is now and we are excited to have you take part in writing the next chapter of the IDL&#039;s history.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7450, 723, 22, 1346568781, 7, 7450, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.96.209', 1, 0, '', 'I re-read the thread, and I realized some of you guys are new and may not know some things.<br /><br />It&#039;s IDL&#039;s policy to not get involved in port politics.&nbsp; If someone DoS&#039;s someone on st2, or someone&#039;s banned on ZD, it doesn&#039;t matter in IDL.<br /><br />We don&#039;t endorse a port, and we often have heated debates about them.&nbsp; A lot of people love Odamex, some people hate it.&nbsp; A lot of people love ZDaemon, some people hate it.&nbsp; This is just the way of things.<br /><br />No one gets banned from IDL.&nbsp; There&#039;s not really a policy about forums, IRC or in-game behavior.&nbsp; In fact, it&#039;s likely Tosen won&#039;t be banned for that long.&nbsp; It&#039;s kind of a pain in the ass to maintain long-lasting bans.<br /><br />Players do get suspended from IDL, usually for chronic absence, but there&#039;s the notorious Dragan cheating incident.<br /><br />With these things in mind, allow me to answer some questions, and respond to some general points:<br /><br />[quote=Watermelon]<br />Blaming H for this incident over one thing is literally the same as saying &quot;You&#039;re muslim so therefore you are a terrorist no questions asked&quot; when in reality that obviously is not true.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No.&nbsp; The Islamic religion has millions of members, the vast majority of whom have no association whatsoever with terrorists.&nbsp; They advocate for peace, compassion and community.&nbsp; They don&#039;t even drink.<br /><br />You guys hang out in an IRC channel with Tosen.&nbsp; You play with him on your team.&nbsp; You talk to him all the time.&nbsp; This is way different than coincidentally sharing a religion.<br /><br />[quote=Watermelon]<br />By using your &#039;logic&#039; (and I use that term loosely in this case), every R member is a supporter of DDOSing other fellow members, and is completely their fault even if they&#039;re not around for this.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No one really takes [R] seriously.&nbsp; Don&#039;t fall into that trap.<br /><br />[quote=Watermelon]<br />In addition, the IDL has accepted Shane to play, which means that the IDL knowingly is letting him play despite his action on another port (skulltag, hacking and ban evading). Therefore by what you said, the IDL is responsible for letting him play and therefore endorses cheating on other ports.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re almost right about this.&nbsp; IDL doesn&#039;t &quot;[endorse] cheating on other ports&quot;, it just doesn&#039;t give a fuck.<br /><br />This isn&#039;t an absolute rule though.&nbsp; Players who become known for cheating or trolling generally aren&#039;t invited (see Kal Foxis or Mr. Cheater).<br /><br />The idea is that we understand that players make mistakes or sometimes go too far fucking around with people, but now this is IDL and it&#039;s time to get serious.&nbsp; If, after understanding that and being given that chance they still fuck around, they&#039;re dead.&nbsp; Unless IDL gets desperate for players, then all bets are off.<br /><br />It&#039;s also fallacious to equate IDL inviting a player with a player choosing to be in a clan with another player.&nbsp; Besides the obvious difference of IDL being a league and not a player, and a player being a player and not a league, IDL&#039;s motivations and responsibilities are nothing like those of a player.<br /><br />[quote=Watermelon]<br />Trying to interfere with external port clan politics is Kilgore&#039;ish.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Kilgore never did this.&nbsp; You could maybe say that if he ever banned anyone for what they did on ST, but he didn&#039;t do anything like that because, like everyone else, he didn&#039;t give a fuck about what happened on ST.<br /><br />[quote=Watermelon]<br />The fact he is banned on Odamex and never will be able to play on this port again should be good enough for everyone. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />You can&#039;t be banned on Odamex.&nbsp; He could download Oda, start a server and join it himself if he wanted to.&nbsp; He can even run his own master.<br /><br />[quote=Watermelon]<br />Asking H members to leave their clan and dissociate from everything related to that clan because of an event with one person is obviously extreme.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No it&#039;s not.&nbsp; When someone in your clan does something like this, you take it up with your clan leader.&nbsp; If your clan leader is like, &quot;nah that guy is staying in&quot;, then you quit.&nbsp; See Nautilus in UD.&nbsp; This is how real clans handle their shit, and what Rust is trying to point out to you.<br /><br />[quote=Watermelon]<br />If you want to go Kilgore and slander innocent members that don&#039;t have a part in this, feel free.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You kind of throw &quot;Kilgore&quot; around a lot.&nbsp; That guy used his control over ZDaemon to kill its community, banning people for personal vendettas both real and imagined.&nbsp; Nothing even close to that is happening here.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />what the hell are we supposed to do about it? pretty much every zandro clan has someone in it that has done something shitty and dumb as fuck. there are little options for zandro clans except to not be in one. I like being in clans. even if there is a douchebag in a clan what do you want me to do? leave it? even though there are a bunch of other cool people in it?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yes.&nbsp; If everyone did this, then all the shitty people wouldn&#039;t be in clans, and all the cool people would be in clans.&nbsp; Boom, problem solved.&nbsp; Your actions actually perpetuate the problem.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />hey, I&#039;m in the idl, and jenova ddos&#039;d me. he ddos&#039;d me several times in zandro and then another time on oda. is anything going to happen about that?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No.&nbsp; Jenova isn&#039;t even in IDL.&nbsp; He actually does IDL a service by providing servers.&nbsp; Thanks Jenova!&nbsp; If IDL refused Jenova&#039;s help, IDL would be retardedly punishing itself.&nbsp; If you don&#039;t like it, put up money for IDL servers yourself.&nbsp; See &quot;Unless IDL gets desperate for players, then all bets are off&quot; above, but replace [players] with [servers].&nbsp; Also see the Era of Nostaric Tyranny.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />reckless cheated like 80 times on zandronum. he&#039;s on a team<br />shane cheated quite a few times on zandronum too. he&#039;s on a team<br />jenova ddos&#039;d me and multiple other people. he RUNS THE FUCKING SERVERS<br /><br /><br />jenova ddos&#039;ing people period should be unacceptable in the first place. nobody is calling for his ousting from R or anything of the sort<br />[/quote]<br /><br />IDL doesn&#039;t enforce bans handed down from other ports, because it doesn&#039;t get involved in port politics.<br /><br />Nobody takes [R] seriously, and unless you want that to happen to H - and eventually you - you should quit that clan.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />you just cant ban him everywhere for something that happened on a port/league completely different and unrelated.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually during the Age of TT, I could.&nbsp; I could ban you from Public CTF, Private CTF, IDL, ZDDL, SICL and Coop.&nbsp; We could actually break ST&#039;s ToS publicly (&quot;VP Is A Furry COOP&quot;), and ST admins would laugh along with us.&nbsp; This was because we were cool and respected.&nbsp; We were cool because we were funny and (Nostar at least) great at this game, and respected because I was fair and smart and Nostar was vengeful.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />this is the exact thing I try to avoid, you know the angry hatemongering? claiming that I or other members of H do not have respect for the IDL is absurd and you know this well. nothing is stopping you from saying this but nothing stops me from telling you that you&#039;re getting emotional.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Why shouldn&#039;t I be angry?&nbsp; Don&#039;t we agree Tosen is a puddle of festering vagina slime?&nbsp; Why are you in a clan with him then?<br /><br />Respect is found in deeds, not words, and certainly not in bullshit forum posts and IRC.&nbsp; Put up or shut up.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />so this begs the question: what the fuck do you want ME to do?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I want you to tell your clan leader to boot Tosen, and if he doesn&#039;t do it, I want you to quit.&nbsp; Actually I want you to be the type of person who doesn&#039;t need to be told this, but I admit optimism is one of my many weaknesses.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />I am not the clan leaders, so there isn&#039;t anything I can do about tosen being in the clan.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You could get your friends together and boycott your clan until it acts right.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />my only other option is to deal with it, and since almost every other member of H is a really cool guy and plays well on zandronum, I choose to stay.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />So basically what you&#039;re saying is that you&#039;re so desperate for friends that you don&#039;t mind being in a clan with Tosen.&nbsp; That&#039;s so respectable.&nbsp; Oh wait that other thing, pathetic.<br /><br />[quote=Legion]<br />people drawing the wrong conclusion from this are free to do so but they are completely misconstruing me and my intentions<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No I&#039;m pretty sure everyone gets that you refuse to stand up for IDL because you&#039;re too afraid to quit your clan.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7635, 739, 1, 1348660119, 157, 7635, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 0, '', 'and why 30 fraglimit? that is pretty low, make it 40 and I&#039;ll play you in nj', 'xx', 1);
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	(6733, 658, 22, 1336365653, 8, 6733, 'IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Name: HumanBones<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email Contact: humanbones@intldoomleague.org<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4964, 515, 17, 1318345758, 0, 4964, 'Re: New team names?', 'capodecima', '', '88.103.101.55', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=515.msg4963#msg4963 date=1318345334]<br />[quote author=capodecima link=topic=515.msg4962#msg4962 date=1318342097]<br />yeah, rottking names is not bad , but what perhaps revive old teams of time Pre-Franchise IDL, this names have history...<br />[/quote]<br />capo -&gt; virgin roster<br /><br />sr49&#039;s is pretty funny, because that&#039;s the value generated by prboom+&#039;s automated sr50 (read: speedhack).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />yeah this is more funny names than offiicial for IDL :) ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7683, 740, 17, 1348974957, 163, 7683, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.128.212', 1, 1348975070, 'Hatred', 'Despite what most people may think I actually don&#039;t dislike Odamex. And while I don&#039;t have as much experience on the port as most of these IDL guys who played the entire season do, I was one of the few who play-tested the betas on several occasions. So when comparing final release to beta, I can certainly give some valid input.<br /><br />The one thing that always bothered me was how hard it was to hit somebody with 100ms + ping. I&#039;m sure people will dispute this and say I have no idea what I am talking about and to a certain extent I don&#039;t. I am not capable of going into the details of how Oda works and how shots are achieved. What I am capable of is telling you is I legitimately felt like I had a 50/50 chance of hitting someone with 100ms ping or more. The corner shots that Dew and Stall mentioned bugged the shit out of me, too. <br /><br />It&#039;s like I said a few months back on TS: we were all used to playing ZD. We played the port competitively for a long time so when being forced to change ports, it&#039;s a bit frustrating. I could play ZDaemon with my eyes closed and not miss a beat but as soon as I jump on Oda, it&#039;s like it&#039;s a level playing field again. It&#039;s like my 8+ years experience in a port mean jack shit and now all of a sudden I have to relearn the ins and outs of a new port. I&#039;m not blaming the Oda team or IDL administration for this nor am I saying it&#039;s something that could be avoided: it&#039;s not. It&#039;s a change and sometimes changes are frustrating.<br /><br />Overall I think the port made excellent progress. The small bugs are to be expected and will probably continue to arise in the foreseeable future. I think the biggest challenge the Oda team as well as the IDL administration has is to convince people it&#039;s worth sticking around for. The one thing Odamex has going for it is a responsive development team and a coherent group of administrators who do their best to accomplish the communities&#039; wishes. <br /><br />So there&#039;s my two cents, for what it&#039;s worth.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7818, 758, 25, 1352754486, 30, 7818, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.254.177', 1, 0, '', 'BEAST3[R]<br />Doom support GoD', 'xx', 1);
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	(7866, 758, 25, 1354511587, 4042, 7866, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Necro_Kid', 'necro_kid@hotmail.com', '187.156.61.130', 1, 0, '', 'Name:Necro_Kid<br />Country/State: Mexico <br />Instant Message Contact: IRC<br />email: necro_kid@hotmail.com<br />Regular Availability: All time ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8019, 775, 25, 1356318816, 49, 8020, 'Re: Winter 2013 Draft Results', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '108.16.216.55', 1, 1356325772, 'Killingblair', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/X617Z.png[/img]<br /><br />Draft audio: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/15865805/draftaudio.mp3', 'xx', 1);
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	(8132, 791, 25, 1358057746, 4914, 8132, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'Bojan', 'bojan67@hotmail.co.uk', '46.64.48.161', 1, 0, '', 'Thanks for assuming I don&#039;t want to play, resulting in me getting (essentially) kicked from the league. Props to you \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\oooooooooooo////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////', 'xx', 1);
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	(8090, 786, 17, 1357595878, 10, 8090, 'Re: Real talk.', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.132.74', 1, 1357597149, 'Ralphis', 'So on one hand, it&#039;s ok for you to act emotionally and ban people because you&#039;ve deemed them trash, morons, because they earned it, or because they&#039;re fagions but you have a problem with someone handing out bans after being prodded on a nearly daily basis and then getting extra mad when personal info and pictures of mine are posted somewhere? I banned roughly 3-4 people in the channel over the entire last year. Go check and see how close together your bans were bucko.<br /><br />ALSO, I&#039;m curious when the league commissioner became so lovely dovey and not ok with banning people. Was it when any of these other people were banned? Probably not. I wonder if it has anything to do with Mikehail and Bones being such great, close friends? Bones sure didn&#039;t seem that bent out of shape about me banning Mobius:<br /><br />[quote][23:19] &lt;@HumanBones&gt; the people who act like they don&#039;t care are the ones that care the most<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; I am not saying I don&#039;t 100 percent care<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; I just don&#039;t care as much<br />09[23:19] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; it has to do with you being a snively little dog dick who has been pretty rude over a long period of time that plays the &quot;lol internet&quot; card anytime you get confronted<br />09[23:19] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; and then you cry when you get busted out<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; Cry?<br />09[23:19] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; which is kind of what is happening now<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; confronted<br />09[23:19] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; look, here you go<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; your idea of confrontation<br />09[23:19] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; you gotta calm down<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; is you banning<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; but hey!<br />09[23:19] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; yes that is coming momentarily<br />[23:19] &lt;Mobius`&gt; Lemme use my internet card<br />09[23:19] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; use it <br />[23:20] &lt;Mobius`&gt; meanwhile<br />08[23:20] * Ralphis sets mode: +b *!*@ool-435612db.dyn.optonline.net<br />15[23:20] * Timer 1 activated<br />[23:20] &lt;HeX9109&gt; I PLAY THE DIAL UP MODEM<br />[23:20] &lt;HeX9109&gt; PLEASE WAIT...<br />15[23:20] * Timer 1 halted<br />04[23:20] * Mobius` was kicked by Ralphis (just kiddin)<br />[23:20] &lt;mikehail&gt; im not sure who won this exchange<br />09[23:20] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; we all lost<br />[23:20] &lt;mikehail&gt; that was my thought<br />[23:20] &lt;@HumanBones&gt; i&#039;m not sure why mobius was back in here<br />15[23:20] * Retrieving #idl modes...<br />[23:21] &lt;@HumanBones&gt; I was wondering that the other night <br />[23:21] &lt;GhostlyDeath&gt; Is Mobius from jersey?<br />09[23:21] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; i didn&#039;t notice until he started talking here<br />[23:21] &lt;SoulSucka&gt; NY<br />[23:21] &lt;@HumanBones&gt; I don&#039;t care until you start making less sense than capo<br />[23:21] &lt;@HumanBones&gt; that is when you have to leave[/quote]<br /><br />You guys aren&#039;t consistent. You can try to portray me as some sort of power hungry douchebag, but I would venture a guess that almost all IDL players have had average to positive experiences with ol&#039; Ralphis compared to someone like Mikehail who&#039;s entire purpose of hanging in #idl is pretty much just to antagonize. I&#039;d definitely put money down that people have had much better mileage with me over the years compared to Dew&#039;s :)<br /><br />ALSO, I just want to comment on you saying that I realized I banned the wrong person. I didn&#039;t: I found out a few days after Mike was unbanned and LB realized that the account had been shut down and announced it in the IRC channel. EDIT: And I still won&#039;t ever feel bad about banning Mike - I loved it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2095, 236, 26, 1279034290, 7, 2095, 'Full Roster Required', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Teams are now required to fill their rosters to play any IDL games.&nbsp; Teams that cannot field 3 players will forfeit the game.&nbsp; Should neither team be able to field 3 players, they will both forfeit.<br /><br />Forfeiture affecting draft order is hereby repealed.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8375, 827, 17, 1360860799, 214, 8375, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.24.223', 1, 0, '', 'I skimmed over that Tenchu thread from earlier in the season and I need to point out Stall that you need to be consistent. You can&#039;t pick and chose how to attack and defend different players who ditch and expect to have credibility.<br /><br />You&#039;re shitting down Soul&#039;s throat but you&#039;re trying to alleviate Ten&#039;s actions: http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=791.msg8141#msg8141<br /><br /> ::)<br /><br />[quote]So let me get this straight. You wanna go after Soul yourself, but when it comes to other people it&#039;s alright for you to pull a bitch-move like Soul did? Note: No notification to you and using Fluffles: bitch-move.[/quote]<br />I think you&#039;re missing the point of him being a board member and ditching [b]after[/b] watching all the nonsense of this season. Fluffles isn&#039;t being used or anything at all. I was there in the channel when Fluff told Bones about how he found out Soul quit. Not everyone likes hearing news via 3rd party proxy.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8299, 811, 28, 1360392802, 157, 8299, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.69.67', 1, 1360392938, 'Legion_', 'while the effect is not as extreme as I first inferred, I still believe it has an effect on the outcome of games.<br /><br />another suggested improvement: [url=http://www.doomworld.com/vb/doom-general/62808-vanilla-doom-autoaim-glitch-bug/]fixing the autoaim[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8290, 815, 17, 1360385587, 158, 8290, 'LIMITATION??', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '24.52.247.247', 1, 0, '', 'So, if Wbuild is using DOOM&#039;s original SSG code, what exactly is the problem here?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4924, 514, 17, 1318025597, 75, 4924, 'Re: &quot;Better&quot; Captains', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'responding to mass&#039; post in [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=511.0]the other tread[/url].<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=511.msg4919#msg4919 date=1318016657]<br />Dew, you clearly still don&#039;t understand the conversation we had, which, despite having Strangle&#039;s name come up repeatedly, had nothing to do with Strangle.&nbsp; Strangle is what you would call an example.&nbsp; But since you brought it up, I will explain to everybody else: there is nothing in the rules that guarantees that anyone will be selected as a captain, nor is there anything that guarantees that returning (even playoff-making) captains will be allowed to return.&nbsp; The question is, should we be able to dismiss captains if better, more responsible, and more involved captains sign up (as the rules currently allow), or should we make a new rule that gives captains some guarantee that they will be able to continue capping until they hit their second consecutive non-playoff strike.&nbsp; It really wasn&#039;t a very interesting discussion.<br />[/quote]<br />i fully understand what you meant, but strangle is more than an example in that discussion - he could be a potential precedent. however i agree with you at least on few points: caps aren&#039;t always guaranteed their two season minimum and the power to kick them should be retained. the difference lied in me&amp;bones reserving this right for nautilus-like cases, while you&amp;star theoretized it could cover even strangle-like cases.<br /><br />well, let&#039;s say it this way - i&#039;m okay with the possibility existing (so we can get rid of a flaky cap when we have 12 awesome alternatives), but i will most probably oppose the strangle cases when it comes to board voting.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6702, 654, 18, 1335670412, 10, 6702, 'Re: Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://ralphis.unidoom.org/stuff/idl/idlchange.png[/img][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4926, 514, 17, 1318086472, 163, 4926, 'Re: &quot;Better&quot; Captains', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'I wouldn&#039;t make a Euro cap because of scheduling difficulties. Also, Capo, I don&#039;t know about you being smart or not but I do know you&#039;re involved and active in the IDL community. But I still haven&#039;t determined if that&#039;s good or bad.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4962, 515, 17, 1318342097, 0, 4962, 'Re: New team names?', 'capodecima', '', '88.103.101.55', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=chow link=topic=515.msg4955#msg4955 date=1318307112]<br />Team Discovery Channel!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />yeah, rottking names is not bad , but what perhaps revive old teams of time Pre-Franchise IDL, this names have history...', 'xx', 1);
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	(7458, 723, 22, 1346579220, 7, 7458, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.96.209', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]<br />this is an idealistic scenario but [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIX0ZDqDljA]you cant always get what you want.[/url] eventually the members of H will grow tired of tosen at some point and have him kicked. its not going to happen immediately.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />If ruining an IDL game doesn&#039;t cause the members of H to &quot;grow tired&quot; of Tosen, I have no respect for them because they&#039;re retarded.&nbsp; I honestly can&#039;t think of a worse thing to do.&nbsp; OK I can, but it&#039;s like sawing off Oath&#039;s leg or something.&nbsp; How many games would Tosen have to ruin before it became a problem?&nbsp; Would it ever be a problem?<br /><br />Let&#039;s change the situation around a little.&nbsp; Instead of something as trivial and frivolous as messing up a videogame (ruining an IDL game), how about we say that you know for a fact that Tosen skins little girls because he wants to sew their hides together into a beautiful coat.&nbsp; Are you gonna say shit like, &quot;well [b]I[/b] don&#039;t skin little girls, so I don&#039;t see what people are so mad about&quot;, or &quot;well, he skins little [b]black[/b] girls, so I don&#039;t see what white people are so pissed about&quot;.&nbsp; I&#039;m (obviously) not trying to compare skinning little girls with ruining an IDL game, but you can see the ethics here.&nbsp; Guilt by association is a real thing.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]<br />jenova is very much in the idl, if he is hosting servers for them.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />My point is that the only way to &quot;punish&quot; Jenova for DoS&#039;ing you is to refuse his servers, which would actually just punish IDL.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t mean to get into a semantic argument over the meaning of &quot;in&quot;, my mistake.&nbsp;  ::)<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]<br />so let me get this straight: idl doesn&#039;t get involved in port politics but people are calling for him to be banned from everything on zandronum, which is not involved with odamex or idl in any way, and is in fact, a [b]port[/b]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No one&#039;s calling for Tosen to be banned on ST2, because no one gives a shit about ST2.&nbsp; No one gives a shit about ZDaemon either, that&#039;s why we don&#039;t care when people are banned from either port.<br /><br />What people want is for IDL players who are also H members to show their respect for IDL.&nbsp; This is an opportunity for you guys to gain some real standing in the IDL community, and I hope you all take advantage of it, because respect is hard to get around here.<br /><br />I should apologize for being confusing.&nbsp; IDL is [b]STEEPED[/b] in port politics, but we&#039;re a lobbying organization, not the cops.&nbsp; We don&#039;t enforce stupid grudges from other ports.&nbsp; Key IDL community members lobbied for lifting of Ralphis&#039; ZDaemon ban, opening the ZDaemon source code, advertising IDL, opening the Skulltag source code (congratulations again AlexMax!), so on and so forth.&nbsp; Our interest is 100% the competitive community, and while that&#039;s a noble cause, it doesn&#039;t make it any less biased than Kilgore&#039;s agenda (be a big faggot while not being a ball-draining goat fucker).<br /><br />That said, lobbying to have someone banned from a given port because they ruined an IDL game is a little silly.&nbsp; Who cares if they can play shitty public CTF, that&#039;s the REAL punishment right there.&nbsp; That&#039;s why we&#039;ve never lobbied for that.&nbsp; Besides, we&#039;re not so petty as to want someone to never have fun ever again.&nbsp; We just don&#039;t want it to be at our expense, and if you go so far as to ruin an IDL playoff game, I think it&#039;s pretty reasonable to ban you from the competitive Doom scene.&nbsp; But hey, MM8DM all day idiot.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]<br />just because you run something does not mean you can just remove someone for transgressions they committed somewhere else or because they piss you off<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually that&#039;s exactly what it means.&nbsp; I would argue, though, that banning Tosen for a good long time isn&#039;t pursuing a petty vendetta, and I think you agree with me here.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]<br />I return to the example of<br />[quote]its like if a guy I know in a tf2 clan I&#039;m in crashed an idl game. what the fuck am I supposed to do about it?[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m happy to get into yet another terrible analogy.&nbsp; I would still say that you should tell your clan leader that his clan&#039;s been infiltrated by a cocksucking pillow biter who ties women&#039;s underwear together into a long string so that when he shoves them up his ass it makes what he thinks is a beautiful, sexy tail, and that you think he should be kicked out because it&#039;s embarrassing to all of you.&nbsp; If your clan leader tells you to fuck off, you tell him to fuck off.&nbsp; This is how you stand up for things, and it&#039;s how you show others you respect something - you put yourself on the line for them.&nbsp; Your (and others&#039;) unwillingness to do so for IDL is honestly pretty disappointing, although I can kind of understand in your case since IDL has been particularly hard on you.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]<br />respect is mutual. the idl spends almost all of its time ostracizing itself from contact with zandronum or zdaemon so why should it care about the machinations of those ports/games/whatever? at almost any moment in #idl you can find someone who will sling shit at zandronum&#039;s clan scene. so you want yourself removed from them as much as possible, but when some little shithead that we ourselves dont like to acknowledge very much at all trashes a game, you get in a tizzy and call for blood then?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t know what any of this has to do with anything.&nbsp; IDL couldn&#039;t give a shit about what ZD or ST2 do because those communities lost any semblance of credibility or respect years ago.&nbsp; While this was largely due to their administrations, in ST&#039;s case the idiot playerbase had a lot to do with it as well.&nbsp; In fact, the dumbest threads here and on Altdeath are ST threads.&nbsp; This has become one of them, btw.<br /><br />If you want respect, you have to act respectably.&nbsp; That means not associating with shit-eating cum-gargling sissyboys like Tosen.&nbsp; I am about to write Ladna&#039;s Respect Guide if this keeps up.&nbsp; Don&#039;t make me do it Legion.&nbsp; Don&#039;t.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />I found [H]&#039;s clan thread on the ST2 forums, current member list:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Hydra<br />&nbsp; - Iced<br />&nbsp; - Frank<br />&nbsp; - Tosen<br />&nbsp; - EXWiz<br />&nbsp; - Dread<br />&nbsp; - Legion<br />&nbsp; - Batman<br />&nbsp; - Spider<br />&nbsp; - Mr.Cheater (Billy Herrington)<br />&nbsp; - Satori<br />&nbsp; - Lilith<br />&nbsp; - Watermelon<br />&nbsp; - SwiftShot<br /><br />I say you take EXWiz, Spider, Watermelon &amp; Swiftshot and make a competing clan.&nbsp; You can call it [L] (haha just kidding).&nbsp; I am not kidding about this idea though.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4927, 510, 17, 1318095281, 147, 4927, 'Re: Even teams', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote]Quote from: Fastidious<br />That&#039;s true but maybe the forced captaining could be setup to pick the best captains.&nbsp; Either board or the players could vote or select them somehow.<br /><br />Quote from: Hatred<br />Set a random draft pool for 16 of the top players (ranked by the IDL community) and the top 8 are made captains.<br /><br />Quote from: Nostar<br />My personal opinion is that Legion, Mass, and Clim should be given the first picks in a straight draft. Strangle, Naut, and Prime should be given the next tier...[/quote]<br /><br />(Taken from http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=452.0)<br /><br />I was referring to stuff like this.&nbsp; All of the above (except for maybe star&#039;s) ruins the draft entirely.&nbsp; Repeatedly I see how the draft is the most fun part of the league.&nbsp; The reason why is that people botch.&nbsp; If we take away their ability to botch, we take away the fun.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4928, 510, 17, 1318096330, 19, 4928, 'Re: Even teams', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=510.msg4920#msg4920 date=1318018223]<br />What is XXXXX?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The sequel to XXX starring Vin Diesel, Rick Perry and Michael J Fox in a high stakes chase across the Rio Grande to prevent the delivery of toxic snake venom to the hands of Al Qaeda, all the while having to deal with unexpected baby deliveries, food shortages and Barbra Streisand&#039;s new album.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4929, 514, 17, 1318096596, 19, 4929, 'Re: &quot;Better&quot; Captains', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', 'One should be careful about picking &#039;better&#039; caps, because really what qualifies better? In my opinion, it means they are capable of greater understanding of how the game works and how many of the participants play so they could build a potentially strong team rather than throwing darts at a wall of pictures like some captains have in the past. It&#039;s not and should not be required to have all-star top of the line captains in every head position of each of the twelve teams, just captains who are capable of fulfilling the rule.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5863, 562, 20, 1326258362, 8, 6174, 'Re: SCHEDULING INFRACTIONS (PLEASE READ)', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1328679746, 'HumanBones', '[size=5][b]Brokeback Cowboys[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Contraband[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Fnordy Niners[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Killing Browns[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Mass Destruction[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]Week 5: Three minute power play in effect for MAD vs RRS.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Philanthropic Blowhards[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]Week 2: Three minute power play in effect for PBH vs CTB.[/li]<br />[li]Week 6: Three minute power play in effect for PBH vs RRS.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Plasmadicks United[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Ricochet Rockets[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Super Chargers[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Super Shotgun Spurs[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]The Cult of Bestism[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=5][b]We&#039;re All Doomed[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]No Infractions[/li]<br />[/list]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6399, 624, 20, 1331063327, 19, 6399, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.231.24', 1, 0, '', 'Ralph&#039;s probably got a drawer chock full of Adderall, or a lack thereof after how he&#039;s been playing this season. It&#039;s indisputable how he&#039;s pulled the majority of the workload almost every week. On top of that, he actually makes it work.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4925, 514, 17, 1318062609, 0, 4925, 'Re: &quot;Better&quot; Captains', 'capodecima', '', '88.103.101.55', 1, 0, '', 'i think current caps is pretty good. Another caps can be good maybe dannysherrif, swiftshot, xen, rustking (when will play) <br />maybe i am a bit offtopic but i am every direct and smart ...', 'xx', 1);
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	(9404, 954, 18, 1381265038, 16, 9404, 'Re: IDL Staff Update: Co-Commissioner Named', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', 'FINISH THE FREAKING SEASON', 'xx', 1);
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	(5864, 576, 18, 1326264965, 16, 5864, 'Re: The New IDL Reserve League', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'Wow, sweet idea. This will actually motivate FAs to stick around even if not drafted.&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4931, 504, 17, 1318096813, 19, 4931, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m cool. Ya&#039;ll duke it out for the MB title.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6400, 271, 1, 1331063559, 19, 6400, 'Re: IDL Video', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.231.24', 1, 0, '', 'I DID YOU PROUD FAST', 'xx', 1);
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	(6703, 654, 18, 1335672597, 214, 6703, 'Re: Change', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.179.186', 1, 0, '', '[quote=HumanBoones]If you don&#039;t believe me, just ask around to some of the league&#039;s top players for their own testimony.[/quote]<br />Bones isn&#039;t being generic when he says this. Many players such as Hatred, Stall, X-Ray, Saber, and Reckless were very doubtful of Oda&#039;s capabilities to host the IDL. However, upon taking part in several priv/pub sessions with a newer build, they changed positions with regards to Oda. Even Jenova (who doesn&#039;t like anything) was swayed recently when he took part in a priv using one of the latest builds. This isn&#039;t a coincidence. Its a testament to the hard work that Dr. Sean and other members of the dev team have put into Oda during the past several months. Personally, my main gripe was getting the mouse to feel the same as it does in ZD. Thankfully the 0.6 zdoom mouse alleviates this problem. Anyone else who had an issue with the mouse should really give it a shot now. It is really necessary to try out Oda before bashing.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6402, 624, 20, 1331081164, 15, 6402, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 0, '', 'Captain of the year: Thatsjustprime.&nbsp; <br /><br />Aside from stepping up his game, he lead his team [again] to lead the conference.&nbsp; Also losing gyross mid-season, and picking up ourhero from FA and still coming out #1 in the WDC shouldn&#039;t&nbsp; go unnoticed.<br /><br />MVP:&nbsp; Ralphis.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think anyone could have taken Ralphis&#039; place on SUC this season and finish with the record they did.<br /><br />Breakout/Rookie of the season:Bloodstrike.&nbsp; <br /><br />He really stepped up his game this season, being on a team with Hatred and I probably encouraged him more than anything.&nbsp; Who wouldn&#039;t want to play with us? But I must admit, my play probably dropped since being on this team, fuckers be stealing my kills! &gt;:(<br /><br />But...... It beats prime getting in my damn way all the time! :) ;) :D ;D 8) :P :-X :-*', 'xx', 1);
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	(6705, 654, 18, 1335677093, 15, 6705, 'Re: Change', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J6-3l3hCm0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_J6-3l3hCm0[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7452, 723, 22, 1346572320, 157, 7452, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.224', 1, 0, '', 'huge wall of text here. I&#039;ll respond to the points directed towards my posts<br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=723.msg7450#msg7450 date=1346568781]<br /><br />Yes.&nbsp; If everyone did this, then all the shitty people wouldn&#039;t be in clans, and all the cool people would be in clans.&nbsp; Boom, problem solved.&nbsp; Your actions actually perpetuate the problem.<br />[/quote]<br />this is an idealistic scenario but [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIX0ZDqDljA]you cant always get what you want.[/url] eventually the members of H will grow tired of tosen at some point and have him kicked. its not going to happen immediately.<br /><br /><br />[quote]<br />No.&nbsp; Jenova isn&#039;t even in IDL.&nbsp; He actually does IDL a service by providing servers.&nbsp; Thanks Jenova!&nbsp; If IDL refused Jenova&#039;s help, IDL would be retardedly punishing itself.&nbsp; If you don&#039;t like it, put up money for IDL servers yourself.&nbsp; See &quot;Unless IDL gets desperate for players, then all bets are off&quot; above, but replace [players] with [servers].&nbsp; Also see the Era of Nostaric Tyranny.<br />[/quote]<br />jenova is very much in the idl, if he is hosting servers for them. apparently one scummy thing overrules another scummy thing. tosen spammed an idl game which got restarted in any case, got banned &quot;temporarily&quot;, and is safely off doing fuck all on a completely different community. jenova broke/breaks the law to deny someone&#039;s internet connection and crash whatever they were doing. makes sense<br /> <br /><br />[quote]<br />IDL doesn&#039;t enforce bans handed down from other ports, because it doesn&#039;t get involved in port politics.<br />[/quote]<br />so let me get this straight: idl doesn&#039;t get involved in port politics but people are calling for him to be banned from everything on zandronum, which is not involved with odamex or idl in any way, and is in fact, a [b]port[/b]<br /><br />???<br /><br />[quote]<br />Actually during the Age of TT, I could.&nbsp; I could ban you from Public CTF, Private CTF, IDL, ZDDL, SICL and Coop.&nbsp; We could actually break ST&#039;s ToS publicly (&quot;VP Is A Furry COOP&quot;), and ST admins would laugh along with us.&nbsp; This was because we were cool and respected.&nbsp; We were cool because we were funny and (Nostar at least) great at this game, and respected because I was fair and smart and Nostar was vengeful.<br />[/quote]<br />and this matters how? just because you run something does not mean you can just remove someone for transgressions they committed somewhere else or because they piss you off (unless you want to be a bad admin/organizer). I return to the example of<br />[quote]its like if a guy I know in a tf2 clan I&#039;m in crashed an idl game. what the fuck am I supposed to do about it?[/quote]<br /><br /><br />[quote]<br />Why shouldn&#039;t I be angry?&nbsp; Don&#039;t we agree Tosen is a puddle of festering vagina slime?&nbsp; Why are you in a clan with him then?<br /><br />Respect is found in deeds, not words, and certainly not in bullshit forum posts and IRC.&nbsp; Put up or shut up.<br />[/quote]<br />respect is mutual. the idl spends almost all of its time ostracizing itself from contact with zandronum or zdaemon so why should it care about the machinations of those ports/games/whatever? at almost any moment in #idl you can find someone who will sling shit at zandronum&#039;s clan scene. so you want yourself removed from them as much as possible, but when some little shithead that we ourselves dont like to acknowledge very much at all trashes a game, you get in a tizzy and call for blood then?<br /><br />[quote]<br />I want you to tell your clan leader to boot Tosen, and if he doesn&#039;t do it, I want you to quit.&nbsp; Actually I want you to be the type of person who doesn&#039;t need to be told this, but I admit optimism is one of my many weaknesses.<br />[/quote]<br />this is nonsense. I have the utmost respect for the idl but I temper that with reason. so one of my clanmates did something horrendously shitty. I understand this. I wish he was rid of but at the end of the day I live with it. none of the members of H will every intentionally allow what happened to happen ever again. I am not going to hara-kiri myself from a clan because one of its members did something dumb. in my opinion H has a lot of great and cool guys and the benefits of remaining far outweigh the burden of the knowledge of having tosen in it.<br /><br />so whats the problem again?<br /><br />[quote]<br />You could get your friends together and boycott your clan until it acts right.<br />[/quote]<br />see above<br /><br />[quote]<br />So basically what you&#039;re saying is that you&#039;re so desperate for friends that you don&#039;t mind being in a clan with Tosen.&nbsp; That&#039;s so respectable.&nbsp; Oh wait that other thing, pathetic.<br />[/quote]<br />glad to see you&#039;re being reasonable about this<br /><br />[quote]<br />No I&#039;m pretty sure everyone gets that you refuse to stand up for IDL because you&#039;re too afraid to quit your clan.<br />[/quote]<br />see above<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7431, 723, 22, 1346551544, 214, 7450, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.17.186', 1, 1346569498, 'Ru5tK1ng', '[quote]By using your &#039;logic&#039; (and I use that term loosely in this case), every R member is a supporter of DDOSing other fellow members, and is completely their fault even if they&#039;re not around for this. Furthermore you claim that since R is an old clan (is it 2005 they were founded?) that they know how clans run since they&#039;re considerably older guys who have the years and years of experience and therefore willingly support that without a shadow of a doubt.[/quote]<br />Jenova didn&#039;t ddos legion during an idl game. Also you have it wrong. They aren&#039;t supporters of DDOS&#039;ing. They are supporters of DDOS&#039;ing of Legion. Just ask them.<br /><br />[quote]In addition, the IDL has accepted Shane to play, which means that the IDL knowingly is letting him play despite his action on another port (skulltag, hacking and ban evading). Therefore by what you said, the IDL is responsible for letting him play and therefore endorses cheating on other ports. I&#039;m sure you can see how asinine such a thing would be by just those two examples alone.[/quote]<br />I can&#039;t help that. The board did not even exist when invites were being sent out and accepted. Trust me, I would love to banish people from this league. Especially those with track records and those who have their buddies ruin IDL games.<br /><br /><br />I believed you missed my point entirely. You can stay in the clan and keep him around all you want. I don&#039;t give a shit what your shitty clan does. I am stating that since you guys are fine with what he did, you have NO justification to get upset when we call you out on it. You can say all the bullshit you want, but actions speak louder than words. That is all I have to say.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7684, 743, 24, 1348987334, 19, 7721, 'Re: Vengeance Sign Ups', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 1349924055, 'Xenaero', 'In the near future, HumanBones and his cyborg companion Ralphis unleash their forces to conquer Doom. Only one force can stop this evil; a handful of brave men.<br /><br />[b]Team Name: Skull Squad<br /><br />Captain: Xenaero<br /><br />Members: SoulSucka, Legion, Metal, Catastrophe<br /><br />Contact: Aforementioned names on #idl[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7637, 739, 1, 1348662474, 157, 7637, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 0, '', 'bahdko and moo2d', 'xx', 1);
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	(8020, 776, 25, 1356320427, 214, 8020, 'To the free agents this season...', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.19.125', 1, 0, '', 'For those who weren&#039;t drafted, I advise you not to be discouraged. There definitely are going to be opportunities to land on rosters even after the draft. [b]Every[/b] season captains drop their players for various reason throughout the trading time period. Free agents will also be utilized when a captain can&#039;t field 3 players and has to pick a replacement out of the FA list. Basically don&#039;t get discouraged because the season hasn&#039;t officially started and there is plenty of time from now until the trading deadline.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7867, 762, 25, 1354612678, 157, 7867, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.73.147', 1, 1354612961, 'Legion_', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=758.msg7865#msg7865 date=1354437772]<br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=758.msg7863#msg7863 date=1354338005]<br />[quote author= anyone]<br /><br />TL;DR: I am not singing up. Sorry folks.&nbsp; :&#039;(<br />[/quote]<br />why not<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not sure if you&#039;re making a joke and referring to me as &quot;anyone&quot; or if that&#039;s directed at the general population of players not signing up.<br />[/quote]<br />im not sure how the words &quot;why not&quot; can be construed as a joke but ok I&#039;ll bite<br />I think the true joke is people not signing up because they are uncomfortable with odamex. it does not take a long time at all, and with sufficient effort and getting your head in the game, it can be a very quick process<br /><br />odamex isn&#039;t a bad port at all once you get used to some of the silly quirks. I see a bunch of people in #idl who haven&#039;t signed up. is it really that difficult to devote a few hours a week to a competitive league', 'xx', 1);
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	(8133, 791, 25, 1358060380, 8, 8133, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'The trade has officially been approved. Now it&#039;s time to fill in BBC.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1793, 171, 26, 1273863338, 19, 1793, 'Re: Official Server Expansion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'If more than one IDL server set is allowed to be used for competitive play at any one time I&#039;m pretty sure we&#039;ll see [b]some teams[/b] *cough* screw each other over and start massive arguments post-games about the validity of the match because of whatever. Won&#039;t lie, TT is utter garbage for me and makes me play way under my skill ceiling but only having one serv set available for play cut down on the pre-game and post-game drama considerably.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8291, 815, 17, 1360385825, 4, 8291, 'LIMITATION??', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '50.88.51.175', 1, 0, '', 'Oh I didn&#039;t even realize Jenova posted right before me rofl, probably should have updated the page before posting, oh well', 'xx', 1);
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	(8750, 861, 25, 1363798910, 19, 8750, 'Re: Season 13 / Winter 2013 - MASTERBOWL XIII - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', 'Can I uh...Ring for BSK?', 'xx', 1);
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	(8915, 883, 18, 1366324334, 8, 8915, 'IDL Radio #3 - 4/21/13', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '216.38.151.58', 1, 0, '', 'Week 3 of IDL Radio will air live on Sunday, April 21st, at 5pm EST. The hosts for this episode will be HumanBones, Dew, Ru5tK1ng, and Stall. We&#039;ll also be joined by a [b]super secret surprise[/b] guest who will [url=http://youtu.be/VoJpiTh6vLA?t=3m20s]melt your face off and leave your children weeping over your exploded body[/url]. That is, of course, if the sound of my voice doesn&#039;t do it first. <br /><br />[center][url=http://www.twitch.tv/idlradio/]http://www.twitch.tv/idlradio/[/url][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4936, 514, 17, 1318226884, 7, 4936, 'Re: &quot;Better&quot; Captains', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah.&nbsp; IDL has some interesting problems because it&#039;s a draft league.&nbsp; Almost all other FPS events are team signups, so they just don&#039;t even attempt to tackle the issue of parity, it&#039;s 100% about letting the players decide, and then just seeing what happens.<br /><br />Along those lines, I was thinking about how signup leagues/tournaments work.&nbsp; If you&#039;re not very good, or you&#039;re not very likable, you probably won&#039;t be able to put together a strong team.&nbsp; If you keep losing, you probably won&#039;t go through the trouble of putting together a team, practicing, and paying the entry fee.&nbsp; Additionally, players will be very particular about which teams they join, because their success often rests heavily on the shoulders of their teammates.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />IDL doesn&#039;t really work this way.&nbsp; You can captain in IDL and have a long-lived history of sucking hard, and as long as you limp into playoffs every other season you&#039;re OK, and IDL has to suffer your tyranny for another 9+ weeks.<br /><br />In order to fix this, I would propose 2 things:<br /><br />&nbsp; - IDL dismisses all captains every season (just like seasons 1-4)<br />&nbsp; - IDL chooses the best captains out of all captain volunteers based (primarily but not solely) on:<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; - Total captaining record<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; - Total player record (if the player&#039;s never captained before)<br /><br />These grant IDL more capability to raise the captain quality, and therefore provide greater incentive to captains to perform better, including:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Persuading their players to show up<br />&nbsp; - Showing up themselves<br />&nbsp; - Coaching their players<br /><br />Captains are really the backbone of the IDL.&nbsp; Great captains inspire us to become the best players we possibly can be, and to destroy our opponents permanently and violently.&nbsp; Bad captains just make us want to quit.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7869, 762, 25, 1354667895, 157, 7869, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.170.248.70', 1, 0, '', 'if they don&#039;t have the incentive to play they should probably establish that they don&#039;t like playing doom anymore rather than incessant nitpicking on a doom port', 'xx', 1);
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	(5865, 578, 20, 1326265914, 19, 6328, 'The POWERHOUSE!! - Montreal''s IDL Set', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.113.34', 1, 1330409767, 'Xenaero', 'Thanks to the generosity of Wartorn these servers located in Montreal are provided for IDL use (settings are standardized) and a bonus private CTF server is also provided.<br /><br />[b]IPs:[/b]<br />Private CTF = 70.38.121.52:27001<br />IDL Server A = 70.38.121.52:27002<br />IDL Server B = 70.38.121.52:27003<br />IDL Server C = 70.38.121.52:27004<br />IDL Server D = 70.38.121.52:27005<br /><br />[b]Administrators:[/b]<br />Xenaero<br />HumanBones<br /><br />[b]Passwords:[/b]<br />Same as totaltrash&#039;s set<br /><br />----------------------------------------------<br /><br />Now here&#039;s the juicy part of the post. It has recently occurred to me that via this log (http://pastebin.com/MZ3Ave9G) I will have to enact a set of server rules (while common sense in their content) so such incidents do not occur in the future, and in any case of the rules not applying to a situation of disharmony, the [b]administrator&#039;s ruling is absolute, and violation of that or the rules below may lead to you getting kicked or banned[/b].<br /><br />[b]Rules:[/b]<br />[u]1.[/u] Do not idle on red or blue teams for IDL or Private CTF servers.<br />[u]2.[/u] During an IDL practice session in which one or both teams are comprised of IDL team members, if a captain requests that a player spectating leave such that said player&#039;s presence disrupts the aforementioned session, this player is under obligation to leave the server.<br />[u]3.[/u] Intentionally joining a game you are not supposed to participate in can disrupt the game and will lead to you getting in trouble. Don&#039;t do it.<br />[u]4.[/u] While less of a rule, I feel it is required to be stated that there is no entitlement or position of privilege associated with any individuals other than the administrators - one of which is the commissioner of the IDL to cover any bases of judgement in league matters I cannot - of the server. The server is provided as a service for players to enjoy, not for any individual of any stature in other regions of the community to exercise control over the players. In addition, administrators hold no right to bias<br /><br />While the box is owned by Wartorn, please approach me with any issues regarding the servers as he&#039;s handed over delegation and management of the Doom section of his server box to me. Thanks for playing and we hope you enjoy the server set!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6401, 622, 17, 1331080314, 15, 6401, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 0, '', 'ST&#039;s ssg is just awful.&nbsp; Shoot someone point blank and they won&#039;t die.&nbsp; You probably just like it because it&#039;s so much easier to run on, because defenders are at such a disadvantage because shots that would normally kill you, won&#039;t.&nbsp; St&#039;s dev team has probably been the most active, but they can&#039;t seem to fix this damn problem that&#039;s been there since I can remember.&nbsp; ST is a no go.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6704, 654, 18, 1335672965, 163, 6704, 'Re: Change', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.18.40.74', 1, 0, '', 'I endorse this move. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7451, 723, 22, 1346571500, 158, 7451, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '184.175.47.196', 1, 1346572234, 'Jenova', 'I would just like to take this time to say that although Ladna does bring some good points to the table, R is probably the most serious + the best clan in doom. We even have a League of Legends division. Come join us!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7819, 758, 25, 1352758215, 157, 7819, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.73.147', 1, 0, '', 'ok', 'xx', 1);
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	(7868, 762, 25, 1354656540, 214, 7868, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.28.75', 1, 0, '', 'It is difficult to devote time when you don&#039;t have any incentive to play. Also, don&#039;t generalize everyone because we all have our reasons for not signing up. If it&#039;s so bothersome to you, perhaps you can take the initiative and get people to sign up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8021, 764, 25, 1356329137, 1328, 8021, 'Re: Players, speculation thread and shit', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '67.4.163.10', 1, 0, '', 'GG Bones and Tai won this season', 'xx', 1);
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	(8091, 786, 17, 1357597758, 214, 8091, 'Re: Real talk.', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.68.75.232', 1, 0, '', '[quote][20:25] &lt;Legion&gt; hey Killingblair<br />[20:25] &lt;Legion&gt; were u on my team on map19<br />[20:26] &lt;Legion&gt; here&#039;s how my gameplay went tonight on zdaemon http://www.mediafire.com/?bl485w200d8rpjk<br />[20:33] &lt;@dewww&gt; legion who cares<br />[20:34] &lt;Legion&gt; u do<br />[20:34] &lt;Legion&gt; slimeball<br />[20:34] &lt;@dewww&gt; the only people who even remotely give a shit about your conn are 1) your teammates, 2) the people who run servers<br />[20:34] &lt;@dewww&gt; and this is hilarious, because 2) get the most flak<br />[20:34] &lt;@dewww&gt; and when they TRY to improve, they just get more shit heaped on them<br />[20:37] &lt;Legion&gt; you are clearly angry about something<br />[20:38] &lt;Legion&gt; you should vent those feelings<br />[20:38] &lt;Legion&gt; not bottle them up<br />[20:38] &lt;@dewww&gt; okay<br />03[20:38] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@pool-71-115-99-65.sangtx.dsl-w.verizon.net<br />03[20:38] * Legion was kicked by dewww (dewww)[/quote]<br /><br /><br /><br />[quote]<br />[16:30] &lt;@dewww&gt; i played fluff there<br />[16:30] &lt;@dewww&gt; he beat me on d5m1 even though there&#039;s a wide skill gap between us on that map<br />00[16:31] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; there is a big skill gap<br />[16:31] &lt;@dewww&gt; the server just hated me<br />00[16:31] &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt; that&#039;s why he won<br />08[16:31] * dewww sets mode: +b *!*@RustInPeace.users.quakenet.org<br />07[16:31] * You were kicked by dewww (dewww)[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8207, 778, 25, 1359604900, 8, 8207, 'Re: W2013 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b]Fnordy Niners (KNF)[/b]<br />Roscoe withdraws (Week 4)<br />Nub_Hat added from Free Agency (Week 4)', 'xx', 1);
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	(8376, 827, 17, 1360865697, 75, 8376, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'soul whined about being burtn out and not enjoying the game since like week2 was over... and while i made fun of it, i respected his right to just retire after the season. you know, a long-lasting, respected career blah balh... i didn&#039;t expect him to screw us all over, discard his street cred, pay all his money for a tit op and become the new shemale sensation. fuck him.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4938, 504, 17, 1318245785, 2121, 4938, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'chow', 'donotreply@linuxmail.org', '99.119.77.122', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=504.msg4864#msg4864 date=1317704323]The question is, do we do enough to try and help encourage new players to join priv? For lack of a better way to put it, probably not. We can advertise it to newer players all we want but if we don&#039;t step up and pick them, it does us no good as they won&#039;t waste their time sitting there watching people kill each other.[/quote]<br /><br />Good. We had to suffer through years of pub, Mexicans, and stacked teams of aliases. They should earn their battle scars the same way we did by the sufferings provided by pub.<br /><br />Ban them all, let DUI sort them out.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5866, 578, 20, 1326266357, 20, 5866, 'Re: The POWERHOUSE!! - Montreal''s IDL Set', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '24.88.122.148', 1, 0, '', 'Thank you... These are a whole lot of fun to play on&nbsp; 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7639, 739, 1, 1348665036, 267, 7639, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.253.31.25', 1, 0, '', 'why are you using forums for your drama?<br />___what the HELL is wrong with you ___', 'xx', 1);
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	(4901, 512, 18, 1317926261, 213, 4901, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=AlexMax link=topic=512.msg4899#msg4899 date=1317918735]* One WAD to compile.<br />* One WAD to download.[/quote]<br />* One WAD to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7942, 762, 25, 1355708350, 16, 7942, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Godsdoomer link=topic=762.msg7939#msg7939 date=1355703837]<br />Im not trying to look like a know it all, but if ive come off like that, sorry. <br /><br />@Ralph<br />Im not a fan of the administration of ZD, I just like the port; and so do other players who don&#039;t speak because they are never asked to, so I don&#039;t see how my lack of participation makes my post any less credible, even if my views were based on skewed ideas. I don&#039;t want to fall into some sort of semantic trap again so ill just stop there.<br /><br />@ bones<br />Now that I think about it, I can vaguely remember trying out oda with others before the league had moved there.<br /><br />I know that everyone can&#039;t be pleased with the change to oda - me being one of them. The reasons for the move from what Ive heard is that zd was a &quot;dieing&quot; port, and the fact that zd administration wouldn&#039;t give the league the new server clients or whatever they&#039;re called.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I personally do find it relevant if you ever played Odamex or not before deciding you didn&#039;t want to play in IDL just because it moved there. If you just said &quot;well it&#039;s not on ZD anymore so I&#039;m not even gonna bother with it&quot;, you can&#039;t implore on Odamex being a &quot;problem&quot; or talk about how others don&#039;t like playing on it. The question would first be, why haven&#039;t you tried Odamex yet? Did you think you wouldn&#039;t have been as good? Or that you wouldn&#039;t have the time to &quot;learn&quot; it?<br /><br />Anyways, I didn&#039;t like Odamex&#039;s mouse settings in it&#039;s early versions, and I told Ralphis that pretty clearly. He more or less fixed it up, and now I&#039;m arguably better on Odamex than I was on ZD. So, should I want to go back to ZD just so guys like you are appeased who may or may not have wanted to even give Odamex the time of day as opposed to actually playing Odamex and finding real problems with it?<br /><br />That&#039;s the issue I see here. Who&#039;s really being left out? I don&#039;t believe the guys who have real problems with Oda are being ignored; a new version was just made in an attempt to fix these problems. I guess guys like you clearly have lives and can&#039;t fathom playing a new port are &quot;left out&quot;, as if you were banned just for still playing ZDaemon even though you&#039;re not. That&#039;s fine, but trying to make it sound like you or anyone else was did wrong is kind of a joke.<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8022, 764, 25, 1356329376, 130, 8022, 'Re: Players, speculation thread and shit', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '199.180.105.115', 1, 0, '', 'SHUT THE FUCK UP MOBIUS GOD DAMN YOU ARE A FAG', 'xx', 1);
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	(1783, 171, 26, 1273348511, 7, 1783, 'Re: Official Server Expansion', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '208.54.94.49', 1, 0, '', 'I just want to say that there is very little that server admins can do to improve the performance of their zservs.&nbsp; TT has no resource problems (core2duo dedicated server, 4GB of RAM, etc.), our zservs actually don&#039;t even touch the disk, so there&#039;s no chance of slow I/O lagging the server.&nbsp; Our server has several tier-1 internet bandwidth providers.&nbsp; I&#039;m extremely confident in the fact that any packet loss or latency problems that occur are due either to networking problems between our host and a user&#039;s computer, or ZDaemon&#039;s impressively shitty netcode.&nbsp; The fact is that zserv requires very little resources - CPU, RAM, bandwidth or otherwise, and it uses UDP which actually is completely untunable and guarantees packetloss.<br /><br />All that aside, I feel that the same is true for other dedicated servers like RN, not having thoroughly tested VPS&#039;s I&#039;m not qualified to say, but I think AlexMax or Jenova have more experience there and could say for sure - I haven&#039;t heard any more complaints about those servers than is normal.&nbsp; However I do acknowledge that these issues exist, I experience them myself on RN and I don&#039;t blame RN at all - I&#039;m sure it&#039;s ZD&#039;s braindead prediction.<br /><br />But the IDL has to handle this in some way, and above all else the solution has to be fair.&nbsp; Given that it&#039;s impossible to completely even out server advantage, it&#039;s not possible for us to provide a completely fair solution... at least not without the possibility of IDL games that last hours because a team can&#039;t win a game on the other team&#039;s server.&nbsp; This is an unfortunate, but unfixable limitation of this stupid port that we play.<br /><br />As a result, we chose to be consistent.&nbsp; The current rule allows teams to be sure that they can play on TT, this way they can practtice appropriately.&nbsp; If both teams agree that they&#039;d rather play on a different&nbsp; official IDL server then we didn&#039;t see any reason why we shouldn&#039;t allow that.<br /><br />I know that a lot of players are wondering why TT is the default, and I&#039;ll tell you!&nbsp; It&#039;s because Chicago is the most even for the most players.&nbsp; Yeah it&#039;s bad for a few and great for a few.&nbsp; Compared with the east coast, which is completely fucking terrible for many and great for a few, it is much more fair.&nbsp; If, for whatever reason, the community decides there&#039;s some conspiracy involving TT, I don&#039;t think the board would have any problem appointing a different Chicago server as the default, as long as it was of sufficient quality.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1782, 171, 26, 1273343073, 15, 1782, 'Re: Official Server Expansion', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.88.198', 1, 0, '', 'The way I play works for me.&nbsp; Just like that camping rocket whoring way works for you.&nbsp; Everyone plays their own way, criticizing how someone plays is just flat out stupid.&nbsp; Just because someone doesn&#039;t play to your liking it&#039;s considered dumb?&nbsp; <br /><br />And how would me having to invest any of my hard worked resources on a server make my connection any better?&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4942, 515, 17, 1318289427, 75, 4942, 'New team names?', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'Bones &amp; The Board have been talking about team names for a few days now. We&#039;re stuck with quite contradictory opinions and tbh, all of them make sense under certain logic, because this isn&#039;t a life-or-death issue of fairness and game balance. This is mostly what we want to do with the league to have more fun without going full retard. Here&#039;s an interpretation of the board discussion, names have been withheld:<br /><br />- We should let caps pick their team names.<br />- No way, it&#039;s fine as it is.<br />- EBL isn&#039;t fine.<br />- That&#039;s true, but there are good names too. And keeping the same names helps a sense of continuity. It keeps the league and the site stabilized and more serious. No SICL random bullshit.<br />- Yeah, I&#039;m not making 12 new logos every fucking season, fuck you.<br />- Except there&#039;s no continuity if the caps change. The whole team is different, what does Jen&#039;s BSK have in common with Clim&#039;s BSK? It&#039;s empty, so let the caps pick.<br />- But caps are stupid, they will pick Pussy Fuckers, Dick Pilots or Better Than NS&amp;UD. That damages the league, consider streamed matches on tastyspleen.<br />- Yeah, I hated being on Virgin Roster.<br />- So how about a compromise: the IDL public votes whichteam names go and comes up with new names?<br />*tumbleweed*<br />- We should let caps pick their team names.<br />- Why are you always trying to overtake the league with your clique conspiracies?<br />- Die, useless euro trash.<br /><br /><br />So. This concerns every player in the league. YOU will be playing in Electric Bills, or Kitten Lovers, or Jenova&#039;s Terracotta Army. Vote, discuss, mark bad names, post better names!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4943, 515, 17, 1318289852, 19, 4943, 'Re: New team names?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', 'Plasma Patriots! Moon Dolphins! Barrels &#039;o&#039; Lions! Shotgun Titans!<br /><br />I would propose some changes to existing team names as well, specifically TKV and DMC, mostly because Techno makes no sense and DMC is too close to DMR.<br /><br />Armored Vikings and Hell&#039;s Colts, eh, eh?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4944, 515, 17, 1318290324, 38, 4944, 'Re: New team names?', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.64.154', 1, 0, '', 'blah blah blah for sweeping my team names under the rug the first time.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4945, 515, 17, 1318290608, 1322, 4945, 'Re: New team names?', 'SwiftShot', 'markwwfc1992@hotmail.com', '82.30.151.199', 1, 0, '', 'The only team names I don&#039;t like is KGB and KNF. Also I would only use one of DMC and DMR, and SXP and SPE. Apart from that I like the other team names.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6176, 604, 20, 1328839298, 216, 6176, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.53.102', 1, 0, '', 'GG&#039;s KNF :)<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/0WzGb.png[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/kDQ5N.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7690, 740, 17, 1349149226, 2271, 7690, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Dr. Sean', 'grandpachuck187@gmail.com', '204.195.111.212', 1, 0, '', 'To add to Xen&#039;s discussion of his slow-mo videos, the server calculates weapon hits based on when the client&#039;s SSG muzzle flash starts. As the video shows, the enemy player is aligned with the weapon sights when the muzzle flashes. However, some players are thrown off by the enemy player being behind a corner by the time the server tells the client to draw the bullet puffs after testing the hit collision.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5867, 579, 20, 1326282206, 7, 5867, 'Post Demos Here', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'Hey IDL.&nbsp; While I continue to work on stats/demos, please post your demos here.&nbsp; This will ensure demos are not lost.&nbsp; I will manually put them in myself when I get everything working.<br /><br />This is not just for Week 1.&nbsp; Hopefully I get things running before Week 2 is over, but just in case, keep using this thread.&nbsp; If this thread is locked, it means everything works and you should use the site as normal.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />&quot;But Ladna, how in the fuck do I even upload a demo with the new site?&quot;<br /><br />Well let me tell you!&nbsp; You go to Profiles and log in, then you&#039;ll see the familiar demo upload box.&nbsp; EZ.<br /><br />Thanks for your patience :) .<br /><br />EDIT:<br /><br />You guys have probably already posted links in IRC and other forum threads, but I&#039;m not combing through that crap.&nbsp; Please post here, don&#039;t expect me to magically find yr demo.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6403, 622, 17, 1331103428, 0, 6403, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'capodecima', '', '194.228.150.205', 1, 1331104005, 'capodecima', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=622.msg6401#msg6401 date=1331080314]<br />ST&#039;s ssg is just awful.&nbsp; Shoot someone point blank and they won&#039;t die.&nbsp; You probably just like it because it&#039;s so much easier to run on, because defenders are at such a disadvantage because shots that would normally kill you, won&#039;t.&nbsp; St&#039;s dev team has probably been the most active, but they can&#039;t seem to fix this damn problem that&#039;s been there since I can remember.&nbsp; ST is a no go.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />i agree ST is arcade and sometime stupid and weird. I think when you shoot enemy and he never dead , desync as fuck. ST is a lot fun but it cant be never usable for pro league as IDL is. Cant save it off all shit on ST as jump to window on map26 and etc .&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(7453, 723, 22, 1346572747, 1328, 7453, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.220.200', 1, 0, '', '[quote=Legion]jenova is very much in the idl, if he is hosting servers for them. apparently one scummy thing overrules another scummy thing. tosen spammed an idl game which got restarted in any case, got banned &quot;temporarily&quot;, and is safely off doing fuck all on a completely different community. jenova broke/breaks the law to deny someone&#039;s internet connection and crash whatever they were doing. makes sense[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ve downloaded 5tb of illegal content over 10 years of internet time, have 2 misdemeanors, committed a few felonies unreported, and have been a general menace all around. Please ban me from Doom.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7606, 732, 1, 1348532714, 157, 7606, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 1348532874, 'Legion_', 'when it &quot;counted.&quot; he won the official official games, but I won the same amount of games right afterwards. the argument would hold water if it was the final playoffs games or something. in fact, that sounds like a glorified &quot;I wasn&#039;t trying excuse.&quot; find another excuse, like how about his monitor was off the whole time or something<br /><br />[quote author=capodecima link=topic=732.msg7603#msg7603 date=1348496400]<br />Legion your avatar say all that you are just some stupid nazi which is dominate in moms house with your infantile and stupid mom, idiot this is doom. And good players was forever borned on ZD or CSDOOM not on stupid skulltag. Go back to your stupid corner and wait on your chance. You stupid dement from ST. For me you are nothing ! ! !<br /><br />also for guys which think that legion is good can be instructive this movie , where is very nice see that all what legion do is just pushing spacebar&nbsp; [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyBodE0cvYA&amp;list=UUlK3mkbtQS6q0wVmzeDXCzg&amp;index=10&amp;feature=plcp]enjoy[/url]<br />[/quote]<br />who are you again? the person whom I beat every time I duel him? at least dew can manage to beat me a few times, every time I&#039;ve played you, you&#039;ve lost. :-*', 'xx', 1);
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	(7687, 743, 24, 1349019919, 147, 7687, 'Re: Vengeance Sign Ups', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.34.39', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=743.msg7684#msg7684 date=1348987334]<br />In the near future, HumanBones and his cyborg companion Ralphis unleash their forces to conquer Doom. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />map01 Vengeance 2012', 'xx', 1);
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	(7454, 723, 22, 1346573484, 157, 7454, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.224', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mobius link=topic=723.msg7453#msg7453 date=1346572747]<br />I&#039;ve downloaded 5tb of illegal content over 10 years of internet time, have 2 misdemeanors, committed a few felonies unreported, and have been a general menace all around. Please ban me from Doom.<br />[/quote]<br />the point is, a lot of people have done dumb things in the past. tosen did a dumb thing, we move on from it. it just shocks me how this is what pushes people over the edge when others have done similarly dumb things. I didn&#039;t say that I don&#039;t appreciate jenova or haven&#039;t forgiven him or anything like that, its just that shit happens. going all mob mentality is so 1950s. tai better watch out', 'xx', 1);
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	(4464, 484, 16, 1312390013, 0, 4464, 'Re: Reinstate franchising and editing some of the IDL maps', 'Jkist', '', '74.122.199.197', 1, 0, '', 'Honestly the people against this need to get a better grasp on CTF. I&#039;ve played doom longer than most people here have, I&#039;ve won more masterbowls than most people here have, and I am a better dueler than everybody here.<br /><br />The lava switches are essential because right now it is too easy for D to just camp out and never lose flags. Map04 would be another good map to implement this. With 2d it is almost impossible to score. I know from personal experience.<br /><br />Having played very strong D and mid in my time, i think i can safely say that D is just too easy now. Unless you play map29 which is hard to D on the rest of the maps are a joke.<br /><br />Say what you guys want, have fun getting carried to a masterbowl while I actually put in the effort to win mine.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6706, 655, 22, 1335679248, 8, 6706, 'Summer 2012 Changes', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'So, perhaps you have heard. Beginning this season, the IDL is officially moving to Odamex. So what does that mean? Well, you can expect a few changes. While the port switch may overshadow everything else, this is all important information that you would be wise to take notice of. <br /><br />[size=4][b]Teams[/b][/size]<br /><br />One of the biggest changes this season is the switch back to 8 teams for the first time since the Summer 2010 season. This wasn&#039;t a difficult decision to make, and I feel good about it. It&#039;s important for the IDL to handle change in the best way it can. It&#039;s important for me, as your Commissioner, to ensure that the league runs smoothly and that we retain the competitive drive and spirit we&#039;ve had since day one.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Schedule[/b][/size]<br /><br />You may also notice that the start of the Summer season is later than it has been in previous years. In fact, it is a month later. Again, this is important to the success of the IDL. I want to make sure everyone has had the proper amount of time to get used to Odamex. There are many menus with all kinds of different features that everyone should have the chance to mess around with. After all, it is a different port. It&#039;s only natural that it will take some time getting used to. <br /><br />[size=4][b]Servers[/b][/size]<br /><br />Finally, I&#039;m sure you are all now wondering where it is we will be playing IDL games and Priv. I&#039;m pleased to announce that the IDL has found it&#039;s own permanent set of servers in Chicago. There are not any servers up just yet, but you can ping them with this IP: 74.91.122.209. I&#039;d like to take a moment to thank everyone who ran the TotalTrash IDL and Priv servers; JKist3 for paying for them, and Nostar and Ladna for running them. We greatly appreciate the support of our previous server hosts of the past seven seasons and owe a great deal of our success to their contributions.<br /><br />I know this is a lot to get used to at once. Once 0.6 officially comes out and the servers go up, it will only be a matter of time until Prime is drafting Mantis again. Be sure to take a look at the Summer 2012 Time Table for specific dates and details. I&#039;m looking forward to what will be a very exciting season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4432, 484, 16, 1312270310, 0, 4432, 'Reinstate franchising and editing some of the IDL maps', 'Jkist', '', '74.122.199.197', 1, 0, '', 'I know a lot of you are going to criticize me because of my edits on d2m1 and ssl2, but they were needed changes. What I propose is that we make &quot;similar&quot; changes to some of the IDL maps.<br /><br />For example, defending on map26 is very easy if you do it right behind the window. What I propose is that we add a switch inside the tunnel that would turn that portion of the base into lava. This would make it so that the defenders would need to strategically plan around the switch, and would give O the advantage of the D being out of position.<br /><br />Another map that this could be used on is map14. When you go in the teleport and end up in your opponent&#039;s base, the switch that opens the gate should also turn the area around the flag into lava. This would make it very hard for defenders to just stay hidden, and make it easier for offense to score flags.<br /><br />The second suggestion was to reinstate franchising. The only reason that team NS won was because it was able to stack the team to make it almost unbeatable. All other teams would have trouble beating me pot and star, and if we reinstated franchising we could have more teams like this. We would have other very strong teams to compete against. From what I have seen so far and from what Nostar has told me, this season is not going according to plan at all. 12 teams just spread out the skill too much, and most teams have a good player carrying a bad captain.<br /><br />Franchising would eventually eliminate all of the bad captains since nobody would want to franchise with them, and we would only be left with good players. This would benefit the IDL because then it would go back to being a true league for the best CTF players in doom. Right now it is just unplayable.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4475, 484, 16, 1312398150, 0, 4475, 'Re: Reinstate franchising and editing some of the IDL maps', 'Jkist', '', '74.122.199.197', 1, 0, '', 'I made this account because I forgot the password to my old account.<br /><br />Anyways, I think what ppl are forgetting is that you can use defensive lava switches too. My suggestion is to also make a lava switch that D can press that would turn the mid (closer to your base into lava) so that you can stop O easily, especially on hard to D maps like 18. I know last season Jenova won because he is probably the best O in doom.<br /><br />Let&#039;s face it, Jenova is pretty good. He beat Me Chewy and Hatred in a 3v1 shoot!.wad tdm with a 1hp handicap. The defensive lava switches would be able to stop him dead in his tracks. You would be able to damage him enough and pick him off in the base. I think this is a good suggestion.<br /><br />We should also stop Jenova from signing up because he is too good for the current IDL players. That&#039;s the reason I didn&#039;t let him sign up for ZDDL. He was just way too good. IDL should do the same!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4983, 517, 17, 1318479595, 213, 4983, 'Re: The Draft', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]IDL makes round 1 of the draft more even by letting poor captains pick first, and forcing elite captains to pick last.<br /><br />IDL makes round 2 of the draft more fair by letting elite captains pick first, and forcing poor captains to pick last.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226] #1 is not always better than #2, thus higher pick order is not the sole determinant of pick quality.[/quote]<br /><br />Which is it?<br /><br />Are you saying that, given the option between first and last pick in a straight draft, you would have no preference for either?&nbsp; If so, you would be unique in that respect (and an idiot).&nbsp; If not, on what would you base your decision?<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]<br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=511.msg4974#msg4974 date=1318436990]<br />However, I can do something to make elite captains lose.&nbsp; I can give them a crippling handicap.&nbsp; You are going to respond, &quot;But that is wrong!&quot;&nbsp; And it may be, but this discussion doesn&#039;t seem to be about what is right or wrong, but what is possible.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think it&#039;s about right or wrong.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]There is nothing the draft can do (and still be called a draft) to achieve more parity than it already does.[/quote]<br /><br />Which is it?<br /><br />Since early straight draft picks are [i]undeniably[/i] better than late ones, and since having two better players [i]undeniably[/i] helps with a team&#039;s success, captain skill level can be compensated for by a straight draft, and therefore the league can achieve more parity solely in virtue of a differently structured draft.&nbsp; <br /><br />There is no statistical question about it whatsoever.&nbsp; It is not up for debate.&nbsp; What is up for debate is whether it should ever be done.&nbsp; The consensus is no.<br /><br />So, again, I am not endorsing this idea.&nbsp; But without a doubt it is sound.<br /><br />By the way, the usual argument against it (the virtue of it, for God&#039;s sake, not the brute [i]fact[/i] of it), is not that it will make players ago away.&nbsp; You and NoStar are the only people who have made that point to me.&nbsp; The usual argument is that it is unfair (and that unfairness is intrinsically bad).<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]Constantly fucking with it, on the other hand, draws undue attention to the fact that poor captains actually have no chance whatsoever.[/quote]<br /><br />That would be very fucking sad if changing the draft order made some captains realize how shitty they are.&nbsp; But I think they know.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]There are maybe 3 people who give a fuck at all about the draft, why waste so much time on it?[/quote]<br /><br />This is your thread.&nbsp; <br /><br />The last draft discussion I started was before the beginning of last season.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]The other goals are also important though.&nbsp; Because the draft is a snake draft, it does the following:<br />&nbsp; - Motivates good players to captain (so a poor captain can&#039;t draft them)<br />&nbsp; - Gives poor captains an elite player they can learn from<br />&nbsp; - Gives elite captains a better chance at building a team[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]Ralphis is saying that no matter where he drafts, he&#039;s going to have a successful season[/quote]<br /><br />A straight draft does the first two as well or better.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think elite captains are starving for the third in virtue of the second quote.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]The goal of the draft is not to make a Ladna vs. Ralphis matchup always 50/50 odds.&nbsp; Rather, it&#039;s to make it so that one day it can be.[/quote]<br /><br />When?&nbsp; Explain how that happens.<br /><br />(Don&#039;t say by giving Ladna the early snake draft spot next season, since, as you have repeatedly said, that does not do the trick.&nbsp; And, as we have repeatedly seen, that does not do the trick.)<br /><br />This is the crux.&nbsp; You are telling me (and you are not the first person) that making the IDL fair will cause elite players to walk.&nbsp; Elite players do not want an even playing field; they do not want to have to put an equal effort into a game in order to win as does a bad player.&nbsp; Instead, they want the odds to be in their favor because they are elite players.&nbsp; They want it to be an uphill battle for the novice players.&nbsp; If you turn their 80/20 odds into 50/50 odds, they will walk.<br /><br />You might be right.&nbsp; You are probably right.&nbsp; But I cannot imagine why.<br /><br />On the other hand, you might not be right that this would discourage player growth.&nbsp; Novice players should find an even league attractive.&nbsp; In that league, their numbers are spread out, and each of them has a better chance on being part of a successful team.&nbsp; Since being new is correlated with (and causes) novice-level skill, this is likely to attract new players.&nbsp; These players will improve.&nbsp; This seems much better for the league than begging Chaindude and Fastidious to come back.&nbsp; And therefore you might not be right that this is BAD.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=517.msg4978#msg4978 date=1318461226]It&#039;s like if you have f(x) = -x^2 + 3x.&nbsp; Yeah at the beginning it&#039;ll be above water, but as x increases (the season goes on), the team ends up drowning deep in the sub-X-axis ocean.&nbsp; -x^2 is captain skill, 3x is draft position.[/quote]<br /><br />Oh no you di&#039;int.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6177, 570, 20, 1328841767, 213, 6177, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '[b]Ricochet Rockets[/b]<br />MassVC - Second infraction in Week 5.&nbsp; Suspended for one round of play for Week 6 vs. PBH.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6404, 622, 17, 1331104173, 4, 6404, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '68.83.192.117', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=capodecima link=topic=622.msg6403#msg6403 date=1331103428]<br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=622.msg6401#msg6401 date=1331080314]<br />ST&#039;s ssg is just awful.&nbsp; Shoot someone point blank and they won&#039;t die.&nbsp; You probably just like it because it&#039;s so much easier to run on, because defenders are at such a disadvantage because shots that would normally kill you, won&#039;t.&nbsp; St&#039;s dev team has probably been the most active, but they can&#039;t seem to fix this damn problem that&#039;s been there since I can remember.&nbsp; ST is a no go.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />i agree ST is arcade and sometime stupid and weird. I think when you shoot enemy and he never dead , desync as fuck. ST is a lot fun but it cant be never usable for pro league as IDL is. Cant save it off all shit on ST as jump to window on map26 and etc .&nbsp; ;D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />i love you capo', 'xx', 1);
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	(5868, 579, 20, 1326286420, 0, 5868, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'capodecima', '', '90.179.151.60', 1, 0, '', 'can i post ?&nbsp; ??? <br />http://www.mediafire.com/?qh7duweb9b6ku4f<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7605, 732, 1, 1348526139, 89, 7605, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.241.18.128', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=732.msg7601#msg7601 date=1348465458]<br />dew is objectively terrible. don&#039;t compare me to him, capo<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=732.msg7592#msg7592 date=1348446231]<br />i also trashed legion in MAC.<br />[/quote]<br />you beat me in the official matches but I played you some more games right afterwards and I beat your ass. maybe if I play you again you might win because I&#039;m playing on a new computer, but I doubt it. good luck in your future trash talking endeavors and dont forget to drink some of your homemade moonshine that will turn you blind :-*<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I would like to point out he won when it counted (like how Xen beat Cab in ZDDL, he won when it counted.)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7601, 732, 1, 1348465458, 157, 7601, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 1348465621, 'Legion_', 'dew is objectively terrible. don&#039;t compare me to him, capo<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=732.msg7592#msg7592 date=1348446231]<br />i also trashed legion in MAC.<br />[/quote]<br />you beat me in the official matches but I played you some more games right afterwards and I beat your ass. maybe if I play you again you might win because I&#039;m playing on a new computer, but I doubt it. good luck in your future trash talking endeavors and dont forget to drink some of your homemade moonshine that will turn you blind :-*<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4946, 515, 17, 1318290796, 61, 4946, 'Re: New team names?', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '76.204.100.148', 1, 1318291009, 'Chain', 'The &quot;continuity&quot; argument is completely moot for reasons already discussed, such as the fact a BSK/SUC/etc one season is nothing like another incarnation in a different season. Before you know it, everyone will have been on every team and the stats and team history becomes useless.<br /><br />I agree there should be rules in place to prevent this from going &quot;full retard,&quot; because this isn&#039;t ST and something like &quot;Pussy Raiders&quot; is funny only when you&#039;re 6 and haven&#039;t seen or smelled pussy before. For example, the most basic rules could be:<br /><br />-The team name *HAS* to have elements of Doom lore in it, like an item, weapon, or classic texture/flat name or stock (or popular?) map name references. [i]Something like &quot;Iconic Sinners&quot; makes more sense on several levels, while &quot;Spread Eagles&quot; is utter NFL ripoff bs[/i]<br /><br />-The team name can&#039;t have profanity, genitalia, or intentionally targeting previous/current teams or players . [i]Too easy and not original[/i]<br /><br />-It has to be short and simple, so nothing like &quot;This is my team name and an attempt at humor.&quot; [i]These could be 2 to 3 words max?[/i]<br /><br />Under these conditions, the team names would remain Doomy and without all the other crap that people have the biggest beefs with.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4947, 515, 17, 1318291348, 158, 4948, 'Re: New team names?', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '199.246.39.22', 1, 1318291804, 'Jenova', '&quot;Jenova is the best&quot; sounds like a pretty catchy IDL team name. I can&#039;t wait!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4948, 515, 17, 1318291635, 19, 4948, 'Re: New team names?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 1318291887, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=515.msg4946#msg4946 date=1318290796]<br />The &quot;continuity&quot; argument is completely moot for reasons already discussed, such as the fact a BSK/SUC/etc one season is nothing like another incarnation in a different season. Before you know it, everyone will have been on every team and the stats and team history becomes useless.<br /><br />I agree there should be rules in place to prevent this from going &quot;full retard,&quot; because this isn&#039;t ST and something like &quot;Pussy Raiders&quot; is funny only when you&#039;re 6 and haven&#039;t seen or smelled pussy before. For example, the most basic rules could be:<br /><br />-The team name *HAS* to have elements of Doom lore in it, like an item, weapon, or classic texture/flat name or stock (or popular?) map name references. [i]Something like &quot;Iconic Sinners&quot; makes more sense on several levels, while &quot;Spread Eagles&quot; is utter NFL ripoff bs[/i]<br /><br />-The team name can&#039;t have profanity, genitalia, or intentionally targeting previous/current teams or players . [i]Too easy and not original[/i]<br /><br />-It has to be short and simple, so nothing like &quot;This is my team name and an attempt at humor.&quot; [i]These could be 2 to 3 words max?[/i]<br /><br />Under these conditions, the team names would remain Doomy and without all the other crap that people have the biggest beefs with.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t see these as unreasonable guidelines, but don&#039;t you think it&#039;d be pointless to go through that effort to make a team name official and stick with the league throughout seasons? I would like to point out that if we get rid of static teams we would no longer have standardized logos on the website unless one were so willing to put effort into logos for each of the 12 teams every season barring any re-uses of the name. In lieu of that you could probably use just large text sizes with the acronym on places such as the stats pages, which isn&#039;t a big deal.<br /><br />One other thing, it is quite a nice thing to compare team stats with the same team stats from a previous season, such as Jenova&#039;s BSK vs a different BSK, which you would not be able to do should the names change as drastically as they have when free naming was in effect. It also makes tracking team history kind of a pain in the ass. While allowing additional freedom in choosing your name, I see more downsides compared to selectively kicking out the least-liked names and putting in cooler ones suggested by dudes.<br /><br />Alternatively, I&#039;d like to suggest coming up with an entirely new set of 12 names, where I&#039;d design entirely new logos for each. It would give the IDL a greater sense of individuality, and I&#039;m just pitching this as an alternative in the sense of the word. I doubt it will gain much ground in the ways of making it to fruition, probably because we&#039;ve used doomy NFL names for so long.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6178, 606, 17, 1328843289, 7, 6178, 'Demo rule clarifications', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 1328843833, 'Ladna', 'Though I currently have no legislative power, the fact remains that I&#039;ve written nearly all of IDL&#039;s rules and as such am an authority on what their intent was.&nbsp; Therefore allow me to clarify some demo/penalty issues that have come up this season.<br /><br />[b]What the fuck is a power play?[/b]<br /><br />Your team plays down a man until the power play elapses (usually 3 minutes) or the other team scores.&nbsp; If you have two power plays you play down 2 men.&nbsp; If you have three you&#039;re fucked.<br /><br />[b]So this means that after 3 minutes or my opponents score, that my other player can join?[/b]<br /><br />Yes.<br /><br />[b]Can&#039;t I just not use that player?[/b]<br /><br />No.&nbsp; &quot;Captains cannot substitute non-offending players to compensate for the power play; teams must play down a player for every penalty.&quot;<br /><br />[b]What if someone on my team doesn&#039;t upload a demo, but they aren&#039;t going to play in next week&#039;s game.[/b]<br /><br />It doesn&#039;t matter.&nbsp; &quot;Captains cannot substitute non-offending players to compensate for the power play; teams must play down a player for every penalty.&quot;<br /><br />[b]But what about this &quot;Players, not teams are penalized with a power play. The penalty cannot be transferred to a different player, and if traded the player will serve the penalty on whichever team they ultimately play their game.&quot; ???[/b]<br /><br />That&#039;s so teams aren&#039;t penalized for players they no longer have.<br /><br />[b]So that means if I trade away a player who didn&#039;t upload their demo, then I don&#039;t have to serve their penalty?[/b]<br /><br />Correct.<br /><br />[b]But what about the team I trade that player to?[/b]<br /><br />That team now has to serve the penalty.<br /><br />[b]Isn&#039;t that shitty?[/b]<br /><br />It&#039;s shitty that a team could serve a penalty for an ex-player, and it&#039;s shitty that a team could serve a penalty for a player who wasn&#039;t on their team when they incurred the penalty.&nbsp; Pick yr poison.<br /><br />[b]What if I have a player who gets a demo penalty, and I trade them to free agency?&nbsp; Does whichever team that picks him up have to serve the penalty?[/b]<br /><br />This isn&#039;t a situation we considered when making the rule, so I don&#039;t know.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />FYI this took me all of 10 minutes to type out.&nbsp; I don&#039;t understand why Ralphis and I aren&#039;t the first people asked if there&#039;s any confusion about the rules.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6732, 654, 18, 1336342297, 46, 6732, 'Re: Change', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '99.29.117.211', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=mdGFaXBMMpM#t=47s<br /><br />I like this idea a lot.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7455, 723, 22, 1346573638, 1328, 7455, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.220.200', 1, 0, '', 'Jenova&#039;s &quot;dumb,&quot; thing didn&#039;t interrupt an idl game, which was what everyone is trying to tell you. Stop bringing up unrelated shit to deflect the issue off yourself.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7640, 739, 1, 1348669292, 75, 7640, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'reck has a point. moved to general dump.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7688, 743, 24, 1349070002, 8, 7688, 'Re: Vengeance Sign Ups', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b][b]Team Name:[/b] [color=purple]RottKing RULZ[/color]<br /><br />[b]Captain:[/b] HumanBones<br /><br />[b]Members:[/b] Ralphis, Ru5tK1ng, RottKing<br /><br />[b]Contact[/b]: #idl [/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7820, 758, 25, 1352763179, 2899, 7820, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'bless_', 'callystor1@gmail.com', '24.178.119.194', 1, 0, '', 'Name: bless_<br />Country/State: USA/GA<br />Email Contact: callystor1@gmail.com<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl #odamex | zDaemon #zdplayers<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings, unless work or school comes up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7848, 758, 25, 1353720826, 3579, 7848, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'ModeneseAdriano', 'modeneseadriano@hotmail.it', '87.6.82.17', 1, 0, '', 'Name: ModeneseAdriano<br />Country/State: IT<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl #odamex<br />Regular Availability: evenings', 'xx', 1);
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	(4952, 515, 17, 1318300216, 157, 4952, 'Re: New team names?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.61', 1, 1318300314, 'Legion_', 'let captains pick their own team names. you have to give the captains a bit of faith, since they ARE captains and thus are significantly less likely to pick a stupid name like gay homosexuals. please don&#039;t equate captains to dawsonation', 'xx', 1);
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	(4953, 515, 17, 1318305168, 38, 4953, 'Re: New team names?', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.64.154', 1, 0, '', 'You would think that since you guys will be screening captains now(I&#039;m sure this will go great...) that captain picking their own team&#039;s name would be fine. But that would be assuming way too much on the IDL Board actually getting anything done.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4954, 515, 17, 1318306707, 163, 4954, 'Re: New team names?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'Just stick with the names we have now and change a few of them. It gives a sense of organization when a team doesn&#039;t change it&#039;s name every year. And Xen is absolutely correct, the logos aspect is totally awesome and if I had to come up with one, it&#039;d be total mspaint quality and it&#039;d suck.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4955, 515, 17, 1318307112, 2121, 4955, 'Re: New team names?', 'chow', 'donotreply@linuxmail.org', '99.119.77.122', 1, 0, '', 'Team Discovery Channel!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4956, 515, 17, 1318308546, 214, 4956, 'Re: New team names?', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.179.227', 1, 0, '', 'Just leave the teams as they are. Focus on more important matters.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5870, 579, 20, 1326291520, 75, 5870, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.mediafire.com/?1lld5y7vi140kld<br /><br />here&#039;s mine, week1 mad-knf', 'xx', 1);
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	(4958, 513, 20, 1318312757, 158, 4958, 'Re: Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '199.246.39.22', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m the best in doom.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4959, 515, 17, 1318312872, 1328, 4959, 'Re: New team names?', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '173.2.45.53', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=515.msg4951#msg4951 date=1318292523]<br />welp, idl ruined<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6179, 593, 20, 1328845177, 7, 6179, 'Re: CORRECT TEAM STATS', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', '1.&nbsp; This thread is awesome Hatred, thanks for picking up the slack.<br />2.&nbsp; Yes there was a bug initially in the &quot;Latest Games&quot; that didn&#039;t use total flag captures, just captures from touches.&nbsp; It&#039;s been fixed since... Week 1 or 2 I think.<br /><br />=== Flag Touches From Captures vs. Flag Touches From Picks<br /><br />Does anyone really think that flag captures from picks are the same as flag captures from touches are the same?&nbsp; I don&#039;t, and here&#039;s why:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Pick capture ratio is like 3x higher<br />&nbsp; - the highest non-defender flag ratio is Chaindude with 18%<br />&nbsp; - the lowest non-zero pick ratio is Shadow_Ghost with 15%<br />&nbsp; - [b]running the flag from the enemy base is WAY harder than running the flag 3 inches[/b]<br /><br />It&#039;s just not the same stat, and yes, I pulled it out because defenders were winning the flag ratio race (again, who gives a fuck about a defender&#039;s flag ratio?).&nbsp; I can maybe put a total column in somewhere, but there&#039;s no way I stick them back together w/o having them also separated somehow.<br /><br />Pick capture stats are also really nice for mid/support players.&nbsp; It&#039;s tough to get a bead on what mid contributes to a game statistically; O gets more flags, D gets more frags, M gets... nothing basically.<br /><br />Finally, they sort of indicate which teams are communicating better with each other, and practicing better teamwork.&nbsp; If you sort by Total Picks in season player stats, you&#039;ll get some insight into how teams like KNF and SUC are beating other teams despite being underpowered on paper.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5311, 528, 17, 1321003548, 38, 5311, 'Re: Should people who don''t play in the IDL have a say in the IDL?', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.64.154', 1, 0, '', 'Everyone should bend to my will.&nbsp; Other than that sure even if they don&#039;t play it could still be good advice.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6406, 627, 18, 1331107960, 141, 6406, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'X-Ray', 'jake.281@hotmail.com', '69.125.115.130', 1, 0, '', 'Well you should inlcude some of TCB we did very well weeks 3 and 4', 'xx', 1);
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	(6707, 654, 18, 1335679425, 36, 6707, 'Re: Change', 'HeX', 'mdvulture@yahoo.com', '75.16.97.206', 1, 1335679539, 'HeX', 'Awesome, now I actually feel like I can play in the IDL again.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9064, 907, 17, 1374886710, 4465, 9064, 'Re: QCon Boxing Tournament', 'Rude', 'wolfeman3030@yahoo.com', '108.16.161.241', 1, 0, '', 'Oh man this is exciting, Ill be there&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7456, 723, 22, 1346574607, 145, 7456, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.162.118.53', 1, 0, '', 'I know I&#039;m not H or anything but if anyone in CN did anything even close to ruining an IDL playoff game I&#039;d rip them a new one and tell them to jog on. <br /><br />H instantly has gotten a very bad name for themselves for keeping Tosen, especially as there leader has also laughed about the IDL game, just shows H is a very shit clan whos main cause is to cause grief in the doom community.<br /><br />Even if Tosen has done this in odamex private ctf games or skulltag private ctf games before those games dont come close to playoff matches. Only reason why anyone cares about this is because it&#039;s an official playoff game between two teams either ones season is gunna end that match which did result in BBCs last game being ruined and the season over for me X-Ray prime and killforce.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7641, 731, 22, 1348669377, 147, 7641, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '141.110.189.29', 1, 0, '', 'Now you have to be bulb and never sign up again', 'xx', 1);
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	(7821, 758, 25, 1352764219, 2265, 7821, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'ShadowStalker', 'leonardo1994-@hotmail.es', '190.212.102.215', 1, 0, '', 'Name: ShadowStalker<br />Country: Niggaragua<br />Email contact: GGmisnoobs@hotmail.com<br />IM Contact: quakenet #IDL - #Odamex Or Zdaemon #Zdplayers<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7849, 758, 25, 1353727237, 149, 7849, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'DevastatioN', 'chrisfelix1337@hotmail.com', '142.68.170.198', 1, 0, '', 'Name: DevastatioN<br />Country/State: Canada<br />Email Contact: chrisfelix1337@hotmail.com<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl<br />Regular Availability: Evenings', 'xx', 1);
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	(7870, 762, 25, 1354738604, 216, 7870, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.83.78', 1, 0, '', 'I disagree, for some its fun to play recreationally but not in a league', 'xx', 1);
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	(7943, 762, 25, 1355708946, 75, 7943, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'godsdoomer: we made the move when zd108 was still the only server released to public. there is no fucking way i personally would continue to play idl for another zd108 season. it had a good, long run, but for fuck sake, it needs to be buried and never used again. it&#039;s old and unsupported.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9371, 948, 31, 1380315941, 16, 9371, 'Re: Uhhhh Week 5 anyone?', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 1380316051, 'Tai', 'The RL not being able to shoot the first rocket annoys me, too.<br /><br />Still, guys like Dew are obnoxious and over the top. I will say that one thing I hate is when someone can shove their ass into me and the movement prediction is severely compromised, and it&#039;s obvious that people are aware of that bug. Outside of that, it seems my client&#039;s movement prediction as far as shooting hasn&#039;t had the problem that most people say theirs have had. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4960, 515, 17, 1318314959, 163, 4960, 'Re: New team names?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote=&quot;RottKing&quot;]SR49&#039;ers[/quote]<br /><br />This is actually pretty good.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6708, 656, 22, 1335679598, 8, 6975, 'Summer 2012 Time Table', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1339433650, 'HumanBones', '[center]Summer 2012 Time Table<br />[b]SCHEDULE IS TENTATIVE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE[/b]<br />Last updated: 4/28/12<br /><br />Summer 2012 Time Table<br /><br />[u][b]PRE-SEASON[/b][/u]<br /><br />Monday, May 7th, 2012<br />Sign up period for Summer 2012 open on the IDL Forums.<br /><br />Monday, May 21st, 2012<br />Invites are posted. <br /><br />Monday, June 4th, 2012<br />Free agency is solidified. All players must confirm by this date.<br /><br />Monday, June 11th, 2012<br />Captains are announced.<br /><br />June 14th - 20th (DATE TBA), 2012<br />IDL Summer 2012 Draft Live<br /><br />(IDL Pre-Show Panel)<br />8:00PM EST<br />(IDL Summer 2012 Draft Selections)<br />9:00PM EST<br /><br />[u][b]REGULAR SEASON[/b][/u]<br /><br />Monday, July 2nd, 2012<br />Week 1 of Regular Season begins.<br /><br />Wednesday, August 1st, 2012 (Week 5) @ 11:59pm<br />Trading is closed and rosters locked for the season.<br /><br />August 13th - 17th, 2012 (Monday - Friday)<br />Homefield selection will take place.<br /><br />[u][b]POST-SEASON[/b][/u]<br /><br />August 27th - September 2nd, 2012<br />IDL Summer 2012 Wildcard Playoffs<br /><br />September 3rd - September 9th, 2012<br />IDL Summer 2012 Conference Championships<br /><br />September 10th - September 16th, 2012<br />MasterBowl XII [/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6180, 606, 17, 1328862932, 163, 6182, 'Re: Demo rule clarifications', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.132.224', 1, 1328863841, 'Hatred', 'What about two players serving one infraction in one week? Do both get to return as soon as a team gets one flag, or does it go by one flag equals one player? I can&#039;t recall ever seeing something like that take place but something similar will this week with LB&#039;s team, who is serving a demo infraction and scheduling infraction. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4961, 513, 20, 1318316214, 19, 4961, 'Re: Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://gifninja.com/animatedgifs/122318/weebl-s-babies.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6734, 659, 18, 1336365682, 8, 6734, 'IDL Summer 2012 Signups Open!', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=16pt]IDL Summer 2012 Signups Open[/size][/b][/center]<br />[center]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[b][url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=658.0]Signups for IDL Summer 2012 are now open![/url][/b]&nbsp; Interested players may sign up using this template:<br /><br />[quote]<br />Name: Ralphis<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email contact: ralphis@coolsite.com<br />Instant Message Contact: ralphissfr6 (AIM)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings except Wednesday and Friday (due to work)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />IDL is still invite-only, and we are first and foremost interested in signing up [b]active players[/b] in IDL, and the best ways of us finding out who&#039;s active and who&#039;s not are [u]Private CTF[/u], [u]IRC[/u], and the signup thread.&nbsp; If you know of players who would be interested, feel free to have them sign up. However, simply signing up [b]does not[/b] guarantee an invite.<br /><br />[u][b]The best way to increase your chances of receiving an invite is to play Private CTF with the other IDL players, as well as spending time in the official IDL IRC channel.[/b][/u]&nbsp; For Private CTF info and the latest IDL news, come to #idl at irc.quakenet.org.<br /><br />Signups will close at 11:59pm EST, May 20th, 2012.<br /><br />[size=4][b]&gt;&gt;&gt; [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=658.0]Sign up here![/url] &lt;&lt;&lt;[/b][/size]<br /><br />[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7642, 734, 18, 1348669450, 38, 7642, 'Re: Summer 2012 MasterBowl Champions: WAD', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.72.117', 1, 0, '', 'Veteran plays are known to be the best.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6185, 606, 17, 1328894124, 19, 6185, 'Re: Demo rule clarifications', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.119.218', 1, 1328905869, 'Xenaero', 'Heh heh, what a mess. [img]http://img3.hebus.com/hebus_2004/08/08/040808142014_46.gif[/img]<br /><br /><br />But seriously thanks to Ladna for a more official clarification.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9406, 954, 18, 1381283146, 2303, 9406, 'Re: IDL Staff Update: Co-Commissioner Named', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.245.130.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=954.msg9404#msg9404 date=1381265038]<br />FINISH THE FREAKING SEASON<br />[/quote]<br /><br />no.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7689, 740, 17, 1349143415, 19, 7689, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 1349145245, 'Xenaero', 'Okay, so interestingly, it started with me asking Bones to help me test my shots, so we played a game. I took clips of some very suspect-looking kills I made (so its all entirely my POV) and slowed them down to 0.1x, and uploaded them. The video is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uz13gTgt0to<br /><br />You should get the idea. According to dr_sean, the reason this happens is the client sends the exact snapshot of when your weapon enters the bullet generation frame to the server, where it then calculates damage (if any) and then applies it retroactively to the game about 2 or 3 tics (70-95ms) after you fired it (this stacks with your latency, by the way), so it will appear that you shot dudes through walls. <br /><br />So while everything looks correct in the slow motion, there still is a perceptual delay in real time ([url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcYW1hMGQk8]click here[/url]) because of the enemy player dying much later. This is because the majority of players (myself included) use bulletpuffs and blood puffs as a reference for shot placement and accuracy.<br /><br />Since we switched over from ZDaemon where &#039;fake&#039; bulletpuffs were sent out the very instant you fired your weapon, a lot of veteran players are thrown off by how Odamex&#039;s unlagged functions. Hopefully this post will clear it up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7850, 758, 25, 1353774488, 1969, 7850, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'turSKA', 'friikki_eki@hotmail.com', '88.115.106.87', 1, 0, '', 'turSKA<br />Finland<br />friikki_eki@hotmail.com<br />&quot;doomstah&quot; @ QuakeNet #idl <br />weekends', 'xx', 1);
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	(7871, 762, 25, 1354744083, 145, 7871, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.140.26.48', 1, 0, '', 'ya it is, i personally have loads more fun in all type of doom leagues now&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(7944, 768, 25, 1355709412, 17, 7944, 'Re: Draft Picking Order', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '76.29.49.114', 1, 0, '', '6 out of 8 captains with a record below .500<br /><br />IDL 2013: Things get silly.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8023, 764, 25, 1356329463, 1328, 8023, 'Re: Players, speculation thread and shit', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '67.4.163.10', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=764.msg8022#msg8022 date=1356329376]<br />SHUT THE FUCK UP MOBIUS GOD DAMN YOU ARE A FAG<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I say nothing but the truth my homie.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5871, 578, 20, 1326293233, 0, 5871, 'Re: The POWERHOUSE!! - Montreal''s IDL Set', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.28.169', 1, 0, '', 'Great servers!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4957, 515, 17, 1318312322, 12, 4961, 'Re: New team names?', 'RottKing', 'rottking@sbcglobal.net', '75.58.124.243', 1, 1318316519, 'RottKing', 'a team should be named one of the following:<br /><br />Team Buppy<br />Gloppy Touchers<br />The Slimedogs<br />Scattergun Masters<br />Kort Kaplan&#039;s Scattergun Masters<br />The Drunken Zambonis<br />18 Year Old Videogame Taskforce<br />Angry Space Marines<br />Pig Thumpers<br />The Rockabilly Empire<br />Assorted Demon Fetuses<br />The Imp Slappers<br />The Puke Squad<br />The Rocket Dicks<br />SR49&#039;ers<br />Taped on Crosshair<br />The Chaingun Offensive<br />Wigged Out Revenants<br />Demented Plasma Jackers<br />Baphomet&#039;s Deranged Cousins<br />Kilgore Menopause Group<br />The Zombie Runners<br />Strafe Running Weirdos<br />Gotcha! City Goofballs<br />Doom Spergs<br />Blue Room Group<br />Mars War Veterans<br />Icon of [SIN]<br />Team Pink Polo<br />Plasma Patriots<br />RecKless Aimbotters<br />DWANGO Dolphins<br />Swingshot Saints<br />Arachnotrannies<br />NMA Weather Girls<br />Blockmap Poltergeists<br />D_RUNNERS<br />Lava Switchers<br />Nateral Born Killers', 'xx', 1);
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	(4963, 515, 17, 1318345334, 75, 4963, 'Re: New team names?', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=capodecima link=topic=515.msg4962#msg4962 date=1318342097]<br />yeah, rottking names is not bad , but what perhaps revive old teams of time Pre-Franchise IDL, this names have history...<br />[/quote]<br />capo -&gt; virgin roster<br /><br />sr49&#039;s is pretty funny, because that&#039;s the value generated by prboom+&#039;s automated sr50 (read: speedhack).', 'xx', 1);
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	(6735, 658, 22, 1336365913, 34, 6735, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'GhostlyDeath', 'ghostlydeath@gmail.com', '75.109.9.76', 1, 0, '', 'Name: GhostlyDeath<br />Country/State: USA/WV<br />Email contact: ghostlydeath@gmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: GhostlyDeath (FreeNode/OFTC/QuakeNet)<br />Regular Availability: Times from 3p to 12p, EDT/EST, Every day (since I currently don&#039;t have a job)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4965, 513, 20, 1318347087, 216, 4965, 'Re: Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.78.51', 1, 0, '', 'rofl', 'xx', 1);
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	(4966, 515, 17, 1318347384, 216, 4966, 'Re: New team names?', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.78.51', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=RottKing link=topic=515.msg4957#msg4957 date=1318312322]<br />The Chaingun Offensive<br />Demented Plasma Jackers<br />RecKless Aimbotters<br />[/quote]<br /><br />These ones made my day ;P', 'xx', 1);
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	(5872, 579, 20, 1326293620, 1969, 5872, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'turSKA', 'friikki_eki@hotmail.com', '88.113.64.55', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.2shared.com/file/RNN_o-xJ/week1_pdu_suc_turska108.html<br /><br />Week1 SUC vs PDU', 'xx', 1);
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	(4968, 513, 20, 1318365499, 76, 4968, 'Re: Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'RussianDumbass', 'russiandumbass@gmail.com', '146.115.165.241', 1, 0, '', 'Jenova uses butt stink&nbsp; :o<br />[It creates an anticipatory commotion]&nbsp; :o<br />Nostar uses fist in butt&nbsp; :o<br />[It was modestly effective until...]&nbsp; :o<br />Jenova uses sensing danger!&nbsp;  ::)<br />Jenova&#039;s dick falls off!&nbsp; ???<br />Jenova faints!&nbsp;  &gt;:(<br /><br />Nostar has gained 54 exp.&nbsp;  &gt;:(<br />Nostar levels up!&nbsp; :D<br />Nostar is now Buttstar&nbsp; ???<br /><br />I am a big fan of Nostar.&nbsp; 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6181, 593, 20, 1328863470, 163, 6181, 'Re: CORRECT TEAM STATS', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.132.224', 1, 0, '', 'The insight is really cool in regards to the separation of total captures v.s pick captures but I wouldn&#039;t necessarily consider it a crucial statistic. To be honest, what motivated this for me was that the most basic stat was left out: total flags surrendered. That&#039;s far more important. <br /><br />Nonetheless, the pick-capture does demonstrate how well a team communicates. Look no further than my team, with both Blood and Stallion having 4+ pick captures, which for a defender/mid combo, leads the league by far I&#039;m sure. <br /><br />Overall, I would also say that this does impact solo runners. I think I have 4 pick captures? I&#039;m pretty sure on all 4 of those, I initially touched the flag, brought it to our base (or in mid) and died, picked up again and scored. I should definitely get quadruple flag picks for that :). But in all seriousness, doing a total would probably make it a little easier for people to follow. <br /><br />I&#039;ve been lazy with the stats lately. I just haven&#039;t had much motivation and I promise all of you I will find it one of these days and have them up-to-date. At this point, these are the correct stats as the sites current team stats seem to be totally wrong (I know PDU definitely doesn&#039;t have 40 captures and CTB does not have 2,869 frags lmao). I&#039;m not sure what&#039;s causing that though. They don&#039;t seem to be mix-ups with other teams because CTB&#039;s frag count indicates 2,869 through 5 games. That is definitely not possible. So we&#039;ll have to see! =)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6709, 654, 18, 1335699923, 0, 6709, 'Re: Change', 'Shpongler', '', '194.228.150.205', 1, 0, '', 'oh finally , i can kick some ass with this awesome netcode, GJ guys ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4970, 515, 17, 1318379064, 7, 4970, 'Re: New team names?', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'The problem with &quot;just changing some of the names&quot; is that it&#039;s not really a compromise.&nbsp; Think of it like this:<br /><br />IDL wants to choose all team names &lt;===============&gt; Captain wants to chose his own team name.<br /><br />If you just change some of the names, IDL is still choosing all the names.<br /><br />A compromise would be something like this:<br /><br />Captains can choose their team name, but the name is subject to commissioner approval.&nbsp; If the captain is unable or unwilling to choose a team name or get one approved, a name will be selected from a large pool of backup names.<br /><br />Or, instead of the pool, the name could just stay as it is.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />What&#039;s clear to me though, is that picking names is fun!&nbsp; Look at all these awesome names!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4971, 515, 17, 1318383096, 8, 4971, 'Re: New team names?', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '208.54.32.221', 1, 0, '', 'I voted to keep the names the same. As [s]appealing[/s] as the names Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, The Virgin Roster, Sons of Bitches, Laughing Gas, Cupid Stunts, and Lords of Nigeria (lets not forget Hot Wax Bandits and Cereal Killers) are................... yeah, I&#039;ll pass.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4972, 515, 17, 1318386781, 157, 4972, 'Re: New team names?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.61', 1, 0, '', 'you guys introduced the ideas of freedom and choice to the idl public at large. now they want to do things with it! gj bones!!!!!!!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4973, 515, 17, 1318388216, 147, 4973, 'Re: New team names?', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m pretty sure this is a case of everyone taking themselves way too seriously.&nbsp; I for one laugh hard every time I see &quot;Lords of Nigeria&quot; (though ID Clippers was good too).&nbsp; I dunno, I mostly play for fun now, so let&#039;s just have fun!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4932, 512, 18, 1318096850, 19, 4932, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', 'Congratulations gentlemen! Let&#039;s hope they hold up under real gameplay and see if they stand the test of time.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4917, 512, 18, 1318000247, 8, 4917, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '208.54.32.248', 1, 0, '', 'The official IDL wad will continue to remain separate, compiled by Ralphis. I personally don&#039;t care about the other two wads, so whoever is in charge of compiling those can do whatever they want. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4912, 512, 18, 1317965650, 2165, 4912, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'Dusk', 'arezey@gmail.com', '85.157.236.241', 1, 0, '', 'Grats for the winners, and looking forward to the next season&#039;s contest. :P<br /><br />And yes, having them all in one WAD does sound like an interesting idea, less stuff to mangle with.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5873, 579, 20, 1326294422, 131, 5873, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.24.240.203', 1, 0, '', 'http://jakub.machata.cz/idl/DMRvsBEST-week1-GyrossmanPOV_idl2011.108.zip<br /><br />Week1 DMR vs. TCB', 'xx', 1);
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	(6182, 570, 20, 1328863596, 163, 6182, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.132.224', 1, 0, '', 'Mass, and anyone else missing demos, is it really that hard to record demos? lol', 'xx', 1);
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	(6408, 622, 17, 1331110021, 0, 6408, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'capodecima', '', '194.228.150.205', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ten link=topic=622.msg6404#msg6404 date=1331104173]<br />[quote author=capodecima link=topic=622.msg6403#msg6403 date=1331103428]<br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=622.msg6401#msg6401 date=1331080314]<br />ST&#039;s ssg is just awful.&nbsp; Shoot someone point blank and they won&#039;t die.&nbsp; You probably just like it because it&#039;s so much easier to run on, because defenders are at such a disadvantage because shots that would normally kill you, won&#039;t.&nbsp; St&#039;s dev team has probably been the most active, but they can&#039;t seem to fix this damn problem that&#039;s been there since I can remember.&nbsp; ST is a no go.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />i agree ST is arcade and sometime stupid and weird. I think when you shoot enemy and he never dead , desync as fuck. ST is a lot fun but it cant be never usable for pro league as IDL is. Cant save it off all shit on ST as jump to window on map26 and etc .&nbsp; ;D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />i love you capo<br />[/quote]<br /><br />hahaha honestly why do league on ST where CTF base is so weak&nbsp; ???', 'xx', 1);
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	(6710, 654, 18, 1335707608, 267, 6710, 'Re: Change', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.225.62.135', 1, 0, '', 'Oda is a great port indeed,have fun this summer guys&nbsp; ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6736, 658, 22, 1336367491, 2084, 6736, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'EmZee712', 'Aishiteru712@yahoo.com', '98.218.137.45', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Shane<br />Country/State: USA/MD<br />Email contact: Aishiteru712@yahoo.com<br />IM Contact: {U}Shane on Quakenet or ZDirc<br />Regular Availability: available any day of the week', 'xx', 1);
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	(8654, 855, 17, 1362987146, 15, 8654, 'Re: This is why...', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '216.246.246.103', 1, 0, '', 'Well, although Shane is getting a lot of heat for this.&nbsp; Even though it&#039;s mostly coming from rust alone.&nbsp; I think he was at the time the best possible player available for the position.&nbsp; Also, 2/5 players you mentioned didn&#039;t even play this season.&nbsp; But I agree, LB, rust, and prime should&#039;ve capped.&nbsp; And I&#039;m sure they regret not doing it too.&nbsp; Ultimately this all boils down to people not signing up.&nbsp; Stupid shit like this is going to happen.&nbsp; Unless something happens to make people want to cap, or make people want to sign up, this will continue to happen.&nbsp; There&#039;s no doubt about it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7691, 740, 17, 1349149615, 7, 7691, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '199.180.105.70', 1, 0, '', 'Are predicted puffs/blood planned?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7823, 758, 25, 1352765325, 209, 7915, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '24.74.30.216', 1, 1355363662, 'AlexMax', 'Withdrawn', 'xx', 1);
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	(7852, 760, 3, 1353949906, 3659, 7852, 'Help', 'Lord_Draikus', 'tudelavillafuerte@gmail.com', '95.18.52.185', 1, 0, '', 'Hi, I&#039;m new in the IDL and dont have idea of what to do.<br />Also i dont know how to play in the IDL servers, if someone can help me a little (what to download and these things) i&#039;ll be very pleasured.<br />Thx for all ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7945, 768, 25, 1355710053, 214, 7945, 'Re: Draft Picking Order', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.71.124.242', 1, 0, '', 'If you think you can do better, then by all means go for it next time.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8024, 764, 25, 1356342205, 157, 8024, 'Re: Players, speculation thread and shit', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.66.176', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.minus.com/icI5A7zMFBw3k.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8134, 778, 25, 1358061099, 8, 8134, 'Re: W2013 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b]Boxers and Dooming (BAD)[/b]<br />Traded Beast to Brokeback Cowboys in exchange for Bless (Week 1)<br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys (BBC)[/b]<br />Ten withdrawn (Week 1)<br />SwiftShot withdrawn (Week 1)<br />Traded MassVC to We&#039;re All Doomed in exchange for Bojan (Week 1)<br />Traded Bless_ to Boxers and Dooming in exchange for Beast (Week 1)<br /><br />[b]We&#039;re All Doomed (WAD)[/b]<br />Traded Bojan to Brokeback Cowboys in exchange for MassVC (Week 1)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7644, 734, 18, 1348672928, 0, 7644, 'Re: Summer 2012 MasterBowl Champions: WAD', 'Soul Sucka', '', '201.22.33.122', 1, 0, '', 'Was a fun time on Blue&#039;s TeamSpeak watching the game. Congrats!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4900, 512, 18, 1317922331, 147, 4900, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=AlexMax link=topic=512.msg4899#msg4899 date=1317918735]<br />* No migrating servers necessary if you decide you want to play a bigger map in priv.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Brilliant!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4899, 512, 18, 1317918735, 209, 4899, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '70.60.122.135', 1, 1317918872, 'AlexMax', 'Congratulations to the winners!<br /><br />And now for a suggestion.&nbsp; I know the idea of three WAD&#039;s was being floated (one for IDL, one for Priv, one for Big Priv), and something _just_ occurred to me.&nbsp; Why not have an &#039;all in one&#039; WAD that handles all three...except namespace out the map numbers.<br /><br />IDL maps would get map names of IDL01 through IDL32 (or maybe MAP## like normal).<br />Priv-specific maps get PRIV01 through PRIV-whatever.<br />Bigpriv-specific maps get BPRIV01 through BPRIV-whatever.<br /><br />I think this setup has a few advantages:<br /><br />* One WAD to compile.<br />* One WAD to download.<br />* One set of resources shared between the three.&nbsp; You&#039;re not downloading 90% of the same textures each time.<br />* No migrating servers necessary if you decide you want to play a bigger map in priv.<br />* For lesser-played maps, the namespace gives away how many players the map works with, so if you&#039;re...say...big-priving nobody has to remember the specific numbers of maps that work in 5v5, just pick a random number and play.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4897, 512, 18, 1317914552, 75, 4897, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'other maps that got more than one vote (iirc), aka runner ups:<br />map01, map06, map10, map16', 'xx', 1);
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	(4891, 512, 18, 1317910253, 213, 4891, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '<br />* MAP01 &quot;Complex Beta&quot; by Spirit Soldier<br />* MAP02 &quot;Untitled&quot; by Nati46<br />* MAP03 &quot;Untitled&quot; by Fastidious<br />* MAP04 &quot;Granary&quot; by MionicDonut<br />* MAP05 &quot;And Hell Captured&quot; by Dusk<br />* MAP06 &quot;Industrial Nukage Mining&quot; by Dusk<br />* MAP07 &quot;Cidazz&quot; by Joshsmith<br />* MAP08 &quot;Mayhem&quot; by MionicDonut<br />* MAP09 &quot;Untitled&quot; by ThatsJustPrime<br />* MAP10 &quot;Something Epic III&quot; by AlexMax<br />* MAP11 &quot;Untitled&quot; by Stewboy<br />* MAP12 &quot;Cross Counter&quot; by AlexMax<br />* MAP13 &quot;Untitled&quot; by X-Ray<br />* MAP14 &quot;Untitled&quot; by Gilgamesh<br />* MAP15 &quot;OH YEAH!&quot; by Xenaero<br />* MAP16 &quot;Super Slam Convention Center&quot; by Xenaero<br />* MAP17 &quot;Key Turn&quot; by MassVC<br />* MAP18 &quot;Decay&#039;s Rundown Showdown&quot; by Spirit Soldier<br />* MAP19 &quot;Three Across&quot; by MassVC<br />* MAP20 &quot;Untitled&quot; by Collision<br />* MAP21 &quot;Untitled&quot; by RustInPeace<br />* MAP22 &quot;Cum&quot; by LordBritish<br />* MAP23 &quot;Nostar is Lost&quot; by Mikehail', 'xx', 1);
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	(4890, 512, 18, 1317909401, 163, 4890, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'MAPLIST LEAK PLS???', 'xx', 1);
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	(4885, 512, 18, 1317874665, 213, 4885, '2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'After playtesting and reviewing all the maps in the wad, the board and commissioner voted and determined three maps to be the winners of the mapping contest.<br /><br />In no particular order:<br /><br />Rustk1ng&#039;s Map<br />Collision&#039;s Map<br />Joshsmith&#039;s Map (Cidazz)<br /><br />These will be included in the new edition of the official IDL wad, idl2012.wad.&nbsp; Congratulations to the winners, and thank you so much to the participants for all of your hard work.&nbsp; Thank you especially to AlexMax for your assistance throughout.', 'lamp', 1);
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	(5874, 579, 20, 1326296006, 163, 5874, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.135.214', 1, 0, '', 'I was thinking about this last night and the concern I had was this: don&#039;t you have to manually download each one then upload them to the site that way? Or can you just upload them through the link provided by us? <br /><br />Anywho, not that I&#039;m opposed to giving my demo because I&#039;m not! But if as above applies to the situation (where you must manually upload every single one), why not just take a call on who has their demos for the first two weeks. We could do it simply in a style similar to how we confirm invites. We post each team and each player from each team and wait for them to confirm through here or pm to Bones or a board member. Once that takes place, we simply put their name in bold. If a certain player hasn&#039;t confirmed, I suppose it&#039;s safe to assume they didn&#039;t play. Or you simply could just not allow them to play their match until they confirm.<br /><br />Either way, this might make it easier on you. And sure, people could be totally dishonest and not ever have one but continue to play by saying yes. This is where you get creative. If it goes for one week, you get the site fixed and can have people upload and they don&#039;t turn out to have them, sit them down for 6 minutes instead of 3 (ofc they have the choice of 6 minutes in one round or 3 minutes in 2 rounds). If it&#039;s 2 weeks and they lie, sit them out for a round. <br /><br />Example:<br /><br />Super shotgun Spurs:<br /><br />Hatred: yes<br />Stall: no<br />Bloodstrike: Yes<br />Killforce: DNP<br /><br />It might be too much work to accomplish something some may see as not a big deal but I would imagine putting every single demo in would be a complete pain in the ass in some way! And hey, if I&#039;m wrong then you have my demo here and I have nothing to worry about! Just trying to help!<br /><br />http://www.speedyshare.com/file/A33fw/IDLW2012-SGS-WAD-IDL2012-map29-Hate.108.zdo<br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6183, 606, 17, 1328873922, 7, 6183, 'Re: Demo rule clarifications', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', '(PBH faces RR)<br /><br />Serving both a demo &amp; scheduling infraction is something we didn&#039;t consider.&nbsp; I would guess that PBH has to serve them separately, either by playing down 2 players in the 1st round, or playing down 1 player in the 1st round and down 1 player in the 2nd.&nbsp; It&#039;s up to the administration to decide exactly how that works.&nbsp; Hopefully they decide soon and clearly inform all parties involved (both PBH and RR).', 'xx', 1);
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	(6409, 627, 18, 1331111283, 163, 6409, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.209.72', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s pretty tough to know every single great play or spree made, so I don&#039;t really blame Xen. All he can do is ask...if you make another one, you should ask around for cool individual plays. Week 6 had a bunch of cool ones with RJ saves in map02. Map08 RJ runs are always pretty cool, too. If you have the time and energy, maybe making a promotion video promoting conference finals or masterbowl would be the next step in terms of coolness. Either way, as I said, it was a nice video.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6711, 654, 18, 1335721995, 34, 6711, 'Re: Change', 'GhostlyDeath', 'ghostlydeath@gmail.com', '75.109.9.76', 1, 0, '', 'Finally I can get back into the IDL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8916, 881, 3, 1366399764, 2303, 8916, 'Re: What doom is and what doom isn''t', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', '[quote]15:25:07&nbsp; &lt;Ralphis&gt;	capo<br />15:25:11&nbsp; &lt;Ralphis&gt;	are you really having a kid<br />15:25:12&nbsp; &lt;capo&gt;	?<br />15:25:24&nbsp; &lt;capo&gt;	no <br />15:26:04&nbsp; &lt;capo&gt;	maybe when i find some good girl then ofc <br />15:26:17&nbsp; &lt;capo&gt;	but it dont looks as this now [/quote]<br /><br />I am disappoint.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6737, 658, 22, 1336368376, 10, 6737, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Ralphis<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email Contact: ralphis@odamex.net<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings', 'xx', 1);
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	(4975, 515, 17, 1318441120, 213, 4975, 'Re: New team names?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=RottKing link=topic=515.msg4957#msg4957 date=1318312322]...[/quote]<br /><br />Do you guys see what we&#039;re missing.<br /><br />[quote author=Gilgamesh link=topic=515.msg4969#msg4969 date=1318368340]Okay so after Ralph making some pretty good points about keeping the teams with consistent names...[/quote]<br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=515.msg4951#msg4951 date=1318292523]welp, idl ruined[/quote]<br /> ???<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />So, [b]I am in favor of captains naming their own teams[/b].&nbsp; I am the one who brought it to the board after hearing several people express an interest in it.&nbsp; Here are some of the opposing arguments I encountered:<br /><br />[quote]The names will be lame.[/quote]<br /><br />First, RottKing just showed that that isn&#039;t categorically true.&nbsp; More importantly, the fact that Bones or I don&#039;t find something funny isn&#039;t a reason why four other people shouldn&#039;t be able to use it to name their team.&nbsp; I&#039;m not under the illusion that I&#039;m funnier than everyone else in IDL or more capable of coming up with hilarious and relevant names. (Although SR49ers is mine!)<br /><br />[quote]The names will be inappropriate or make the league look unprofessional.[/quote]<br /><br />The league is un(not)professional, but the concern is that somebody will advertise IDL on esreality and have to talk about the Pussy Fuckers winning the Master Bowl.&nbsp; For just this reason [b]I am in favor of administration censorship of names[/b], but I think captains can be trusted to keep it fairly tame if we ask them to.&nbsp; Honestly, I think The Puke Squad is fine.&nbsp; On the other hand, it&#039;s a video game league.&nbsp; We pretend like we want the draft show to be PG-13, and then we invite Beast.&nbsp; Online content not rated by the ESRB.<br /><br />As far as making this look like a &quot;real gaming league,&quot; real gaming league teams name themselves.&nbsp; The difference is that doom players are hilarious and CoD players (or whoever) are super e-penis and name themselves things like Hallowed Rogue and Viper Snipers, which frankly gay me out more than any previous do-it-yourself IDL names.<br /><br />[quote author=anonymous]I wouldn&#039;t cap again if I couldn&#039;t have my team named Sexual Panthers.[/quote]<br /><br />Here&#039;s the beauty of the suggestion: [i]nobody has to change their team name[/i].&nbsp; If you&#039;re a Super Chargers man and you love the name Super Chargers, then name your team the Super Chargers and go kick ass.&nbsp; &quot;But my NFL-themed team name isn&#039;t cool unless [i]all the other teams have to have NFL-themed team names[/i].&quot;&nbsp; But really?&nbsp; Is that worth forcing everybody else to use an NFL-themed team name?<br /><br />[quote]You can&#039;t compare Jenova BSK with Clim BSK.[/quote]<br /><br />Rofl.&nbsp; Nobody has ever done this, and nobody ever would.&nbsp; The reason why, of course, is because Jenova BSK and Clim BSK have nothing at all in common [i]except that they have the same team name[/i] (and the same division).&nbsp; No statistic about a relationship between the two would be interesting unless it spoke about the division and its rivals, and no statistic could be done where they have the same name that couldn&#039;t be done where they have different names.&nbsp; And they should have different names because they are different teams.<br /><br />HOWEVER, and this is relevant to the quotes above and below, [b]I believe captains should have to stick with their team names throughout the duration of their captaincy[/b].&nbsp; I might maintain this even if they stop captaining and return a few seasons later.&nbsp; In this case there is some identity to the team, it is that team whose record determines its draft spot next year, and it is statistics about that team that shows a captain&#039;s performance over time.<br /><br />[quote author=anonymous]The site won&#039;t have icons anymore. / I would have to re-do all the icons.[/quote]<br /><br />First of all, I love the icons.&nbsp; I think they are awesome.&nbsp; The site currently doesn&#039;t have icons on it except on game statistics pages, and I don&#039;t think that would be a huge loss.&nbsp; Apparently Xen has been working on a site for like a year that shows the icons on the front page.&nbsp; Lots of IDL players have graphic design competencies and can help one another out.&nbsp; I said that if it came down to it, I would make logos for the new teams.<br /><br />This is maybe the only legitimate argument in this list.&nbsp; But it&#039;s such a such a non-issue, I can&#039;t believe it would determine the outcome.<br /><br />[quote]This issue isn&#039;t important.&nbsp; Focus on other things.[/quote]<br /><br />This is a bad argument.&nbsp; Talking about team names is not [i]preventing[/i] us from getting anything accomplished.&nbsp; Whenever we bring up change, many players chant &quot;leave it,&quot; so it&#039;s not clear what issues you think we should be focusing on other than &quot;get more players.&quot;&nbsp; Indeed we have accomplished many things, which I will shortly announce, and other than finalizing the wad are more or less done with our preparation for the next season until it comes time to assign captains and so on.&nbsp; So the latter sentence is irrelevant to this discussion.&nbsp; We are focusing on other things.&nbsp; But this is about this.<br /><br />As to it not being an important issue, it looks pretty hot to me.&nbsp; There was a lot of discussion on the topic in just a few days, and the overall turnout at the polls was to me astounding.&nbsp; I don&#039;t recall seeing a poll with 39 unique results in a recent IDL thread.&nbsp; Only 72% as many people voted on which contest maps would win.&nbsp; This looks like a pretty important topic with everyone being as opinionated as they are.<br /><br />[quote]It doesn&#039;t matter what the players want.[/quote]<br /><br />In addition to it being important, it looks to me like an overwhelming number of players voted for captains naming their own teams.&nbsp; I think it would be even more significant if options 2 and 3 weren&#039;t finely parsed like they are (were one option), and even more significant if it were between 1 and 4.<br /><br />The above is literally the comeback of 3 or 4 administrators whenever I point out this poll.&nbsp; It&#039;s not what they want but what is best for IDL; it&#039;s up to us and not them; etc.&nbsp; I have an interesting belief: I think that in general (and in this case in particular), giving players what they want is what&#039;s best for IDL.&nbsp; If an overwhelming number of players wanted this to be a 4v4 league, I would suggest making it a 4v4 league.&nbsp; (I think they don&#039;t.)&nbsp; If player retention and player growth are the most important things for us to achieve, I can&#039;t imagine a more effective way of accomplishing these than making this the sort of league that players want to play in.<br /><br />This is basically how I feel:<br />[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=515.msg4973#msg4973 date=1318388216]I&#039;m pretty sure this is a case of everyone taking themselves way too seriously.&nbsp; I for one laugh hard every time I see &quot;Lords of Nigeria&quot; (though ID Clippers was good too).&nbsp; I dunno, I mostly play for fun now, so let&#039;s just have fun![/quote]<br /><br />My main argument in favor of my view is that it is fun.&nbsp; As a result of this, I think it will make more players want to play, (what&#039;s more likely and important) more players want to captain, and more players and non-players interested in and excited about the goings-on of a freer, funnier, funner league.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5875, 579, 20, 1326296667, 213, 5875, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'wtg europe<br /><br />http://speedy.sh/dnNAA/2012.01.08-19.45.46-week1-ctb-vs-rks-mass.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
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	(4977, 515, 17, 1318443311, 19, 4977, 'Re: New team names?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=MassVC link=topic=515.msg4975#msg4975 date=1318441120]<br />[quote author=anonymous]The site won&#039;t have icons anymore. / I would have to re-do all the icons.[/quote]<br /><br />First of all, I love the icons.&nbsp; I think they are awesome.&nbsp; The site currently doesn&#039;t have icons on it except on game statistics pages, and I don&#039;t think that would be a huge loss.&nbsp; Apparently Xen has been working on a site for like a year that shows the icons on the front page.&nbsp; Lots of IDL players have graphic design competencies and can help one another out.&nbsp; I said that if it came down to it, I would make logos for the new teams.<br /><br />This is maybe the only legitimate argument in this list.&nbsp; But it&#039;s such a such a non-issue, I can&#039;t believe it would determine the outcome.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Not very much of an &#039;anonymous&#039; first-person quote if there&#039;s literally only one guy who can and has made logos for the teams. They were a very good addition to making the league look cooler and more organized, I do not think you can argue against that in the least. Along with that reasoning and that I of course am personally attached to the logos and team names as we&#039;ve had them for years, ergo having been an integral part of the league. Change does not come as easily as many people would like. From my end, anyway, I&#039;d have to work to an extent to figure out what aesthetically would be pleasing in place of logos since they would no longer apply to custom team names. It does not please me, because it requires and entails a significant amount of redesign work, which I have little choice as a designer but to incorporate anyway in the event this ends up passing as moderated but captain-controlled team names. I won&#039;t bar the way by holding the new website design hostage, but I do not move from my stance in the slightest.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5884, 579, 20, 1326326537, 157, 5884, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.103.83', 1, 0, '', 'hey smellbags here is knf vs mad week one since ladna is too lazy to actually save/find the demo I posted 30 seconds after the match<br />http://www.mediafire.com/?7knuw8enpsx1wcc', 'xx', 1);
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	(8467, 834, 1, 1361406886, 19, 8467, 'Re: Would you play in the IJL?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jenova link=topic=834.msg8463#msg8463 date=1361313035]<br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=834.msg8460#msg8460 date=1361302750]<br />I don&#039;t accept Zeny as a primary form of currency, I apologize, but I would decline the invitation.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />oh but you will!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Only if I get slotted butterfly wings.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6410, 622, 17, 1331111662, 163, 6410, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.209.72', 1, 0, '', 'ST was never really built to support a hardcore competitive community. It&#039;s always been geared toward supporting more ZDoom features with some whacky gamemodes. It&#039;s survival coop is second to none and hide-and-seek has become big as well. Modes like that will prevail in ST, competitive modes like 1vs1, CTF and even TDM won&#039;t.&nbsp; <br /><br />As it stands, ZDaemon is far better than ST. ZDaemon always has had that distinction and will continue to until another port steps ahead. Odamex is probably next in line in that regard. I&#039;ve played it a few times and it&#039;s certainly not ready yet. I don&#039;t know if .06 will be able to translate IDL CTF seamlessly from ZDaemon but I&#039;m definitely rooting for it to. But, Oda has made tons of progress in the last year, so I wouldn&#039;t rule it out.&nbsp;  <br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6712, 654, 18, 1335728747, 16, 6712, 'Re: Change', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', 'A new era. <br /><br />I look forward to it. : )', 'xx', 1);
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	(6738, 658, 22, 1336388335, 36, 6738, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'HeX', 'mdvulture@yahoo.com', '75.16.97.206', 1, 0, '', 'Name: HeX9109<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email contact: mdvulture@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: I am always on IRC, and I check my email almost daily.<br />Regular Availability: Every evening after 10 pm CST. My work schedule is randomly generated but I get at least 2 days off, as well as only work mornings 2 days a week. I will not be attending school during this Summer.<br /><br />I&#039;m a bit rusty but I am excited to be back :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7459, 723, 22, 1346591251, 75, 7459, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 1346592252, 'dew', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]so let me get this straight: idl doesn&#039;t get involved in port politics but people are calling for him to be banned from everything on zandronum, which is not involved with odamex or idl in any way, and is in fact, a [b]port[/b][/quote]<br />if anyone even passingly mentioned a demand to ban tosen from skulltag, he&#039;s out of his element. we don&#039;t care, we don&#039;t force that type of shit. we just use the information about someone being banned from somewhere when considering invitations. tosen will never play IDL as long as i have something to say about it and that&#039;s that.<br /><br />what we do care about is how actual IDL players treat the issue and your stance is very disappointing. you&#039;re just washing your hands, you&#039;re trying to compartmentalize the damage as if [i]tosen ruining an IDL game wasn&#039;t a problem for you as his clanmate and an IDL player.[/i] the jugs ARE connected. i would throw him out of my clan in a heartbeat and if i couldn&#039;t (wasn&#039;t a clanleader), i&#039;d walk. from you and water i see just a huge lack of vision, of the bigger picture. you&#039;re not manning up and taking a stance, because keeping the shitty status quo is somehow more comfortable, even though it means everyone will label you as a tosen apologist.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7454#msg7454 date=1346573484]the point is, a lot of people have done dumb things in the past. tosen did a dumb thing, we move on from it. it just shocks me how this is what pushes people over the edge when others have done similarly dumb things. I didn&#039;t say that I don&#039;t appreciate jenova or haven&#039;t forgiven him or anything like that, its just that shit happens. going all mob mentality is so 1950s. tai better watch out<br />[/quote]<br />hahaha... keep digging! your dignity could be buried in a matchbox, but this hole is getting big enough even for ralph&#039;s ego! you don&#039;t realize it at this point, but your stance in this fiasco will haunt you for times to come, because shit does stick and leave stains on your reputation.<br /><br />EDIT:<br />&lt;dewww&gt; also i like how it went from condemning tosen to slapping legion<br />&lt;dewww&gt; i think the guy is a masochist and people humiliating him makes him hard<br />&lt;RottKing&gt; of course he is he&#039;s a school teacher', 'xx', 1);
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	(8604, 851, 29, 1362273328, 2303, 8604, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jarin_cz link=topic=851.msg8602#msg8602 date=1362245406]<br />[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=851.msg8599#msg8599 date=1362185066]<br />[quote author=Jarin_cz link=topic=851.msg8598#msg8598 date=1362173278]<br />guy with ping advantage and still losing, :facepalm:&nbsp; ???<br />[/quote]<br />Cause fluffles is the best. Ping doesn&#039;t stop him.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />nah, he is just better than you&nbsp; ;D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t doubt it, he&#039;s a beast duel player.<br /><br /><br /><br />Then we compare everyone to you and you&#039;re the bottom of the barrel which even your own captain wants to trade you out for a no-name mexican. Truth burns, doesn&#039;t it?', 'xx', 1);
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	(8025, 776, 25, 1356383159, 15, 8025, 'Re: To the free agents this season...', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '216.246.246.103', 1, 0, '', 'Legion fucked up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8135, 791, 25, 1358062261, 10, 8135, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.132.74', 1, 0, '', 'unbelievable', 'xx', 1);
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	(6184, 604, 20, 1328883810, 0, 6184, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Soul Sucka', '', '201.22.41.76', 1, 0, '', 'Wow, good job BBC!', 'xx', 1);
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	(5876, 579, 20, 1326301984, 8, 5876, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'http://humanbones.unidoom.org/idl/ctb_rrs_bones.108.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(5885, 579, 20, 1326349159, 61, 5886, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '97.87.60.161', 1, 1326349790, 'Chain', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/file/bfw6U/WADvsSGS-Week1-Season11.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(6713, 654, 18, 1335730514, 15, 6713, 'Re: Change', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 0, '', 'And anyone that&#039;s against it.<br />[url=http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/686/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif]http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/002/686/Deal_with_it_dog_gif.gif[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7460, 723, 22, 1346597693, 147, 7460, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.34.39', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7443#msg7443 date=1346558597]<br />our clan...<br /><br />2) isn&#039;t UD[/quote]<br /><br />That is your first problem', 'xx', 1);
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	(8468, 74, 17, 1361406902, 19, 8468, 'Re: IDL Awards [IDEA!]', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jarin_cz link=topic=74.msg8465#msg8465 date=1361382985]<br />reall cool idea, love this steam awards&nbsp; :-*<br />[/quote]<br /><br />i want to fucking dropkick you', 'xx', 1);
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	(7693, 740, 17, 1349157397, 10, 7693, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 1349160081, 'Ralphis', '[quote author=Dr. Sean link=topic=740.msg7690#msg7690 date=1349149226]<br />To add to Xen&#039;s discussion of his slow-mo videos, the server calculates weapon hits based on when the client&#039;s SSG muzzle flash starts. As the video shows, the enemy player is aligned with the weapon sights when the muzzle flashes. However, some players are thrown off by the enemy player being behind a corner by the time the server tells the client to draw the bullet puffs after testing the hit collision.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Just to put things in better perspective, this is about the point that the server calculates if the shot should&#039;ve hit or not. [url=http://ralphis.unidoom.org/stuff/img/notpossible_sarcasm.png]Click![/url] You can see that the shot makes a lot of sense to have killed the enemy here compared to when you actually see him die. True lag compensation!<br /><br />EDIT: AlexMax produced a fantastic explanation in video form of what Xenaero saw, why he thought it was wrong compared to what he&#039;s used to with ZDaemon, and why the Odamex way is actually super accurate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGC6ggGlul4', 'xx', 1);
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	(7872, 762, 25, 1354749805, 15, 7873, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '216.246.246.103', 1, 1354750114, 'ItalianStallion', 'I personally think it&#039;s a combination of lack of interest to play, and to take part in a league that takes so long to conclude, and people just losing interest in the game itself.&nbsp; Just make is shorter, we shortened it by what, one week?&nbsp; Losing teams still have to suffer an excruciating 7 weeks of playing games they know they will lose.&nbsp; That is not fun.&nbsp; Especially for the weaker teams.<br /><br />Another reason is the change to Odamex.&nbsp; I&#039;d hate to say it but this definitely drew a lot of important people/players away from the league.&nbsp; Either disliking the port itself, adjusting to the changes, or just the main reason behind the change [politics].&nbsp; <br /><br />I probably won&#039;t get much backup from these two points I mentioned because the people who I have talked to, are no longer around this community to speak for themselves.&nbsp; <br />So take my word for it, I have asked a few players why they don&#039;t want to play, and they usually fall into one of these two categories.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7854, 760, 3, 1353959184, 8, 7854, 'Re: Help', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Welcome! As Jarin said, all the IDL servers are advertised for everyone to see and they shouldn&#039;t be too hard to find in the list of servers. As this is our 13th IDL season, the password to all the servers is seasonthirteen.<br /><br />If you&#039;re looking to join us when we play private ctf, I suggest downloading an IRC client and connecting to irc.quakenet.org and joining #idl - the official channel for the International Doom League. It&#039;s the best place to get together with all the other players and find out what is new in the league. Hope to see you soon!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7946, 762, 25, 1355712437, 23, 7946, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Nautilus', 'knotilus@myway.com', '108.56.9.124', 1, 1355712840, 'Nautilus', 'The way I see it:<br /><br />Replacing ZDaemon with Odamex was the result of [i]taking initiative[/i] to better the means of playing the game by using a progressive, open-source port that constantly grows and welcomes players as opposed to the stagnant ZDaemon, which a bunch of insecure fuckwads run and hardly ever work on. <br /><br />Remember, kids . . . some of the greatest business endeavors started as a big risk, and it took them time to grow and show the world what&#039;s up.<br /><br /><br />And if we ain&#039;t taking risks.... we&#039;re taking it up the ass from Kilgore and people with poor taste (like mikehail).', 'xx', 1);
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	(7804, 757, 25, 1352700752, 8, 8030, 'IDL Winter 2013 Free Agency List', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1356476573, 'HumanBones', 'What follows is the Free Agents list for the Winter 2013 season of the International Doom League. All following players who confirm themselves to be in the league will be available for drafting and will be able to be drafted or picked up from any team until Wednesday of Week 4.<br /><br />[b]Signups will remains open until 11:59:59pm EST, Wednesday, December 12th, 2012.[/b]<br /><br />A quick definition:<br /><br />[b]Free Agency[/b] - Any player who is not a captain is placed into free agency. The player remains a free agent until they are drafted to a team or until the trading deadline ends and roster changes are no longer allowed.<br /><br />Whenever a team trades a player to the free agency, there begins a 48 hour cold period where that player cannot be instantly traded for.&nbsp; During this period, teams can make a bid for the player.&nbsp; If more than one bid is made, the player will go to the team with the lowest win-tie-loss record of the current season. If a team is unable to field three players for a match, that team may use any player from the free agency for the duration of the match.&nbsp; This does not count as a trade. However, in the event of a team&#039;s second use of a particular free agent, that team will be forced to make a trade for that free agent.&nbsp; Any player can be traded for this free agent.<br /><br />[b]Captains will be announced on December 10th, 2012.[/b]<br /><br />The draft will occur some time between December 17th-23rd where teams will fill their roster with the required four players (order determined prior to the draft).<br /><br />The first captain determined by the draft order chooses his own spot in the first round of the draft.&nbsp; From there his draft spots are determined by the snake format.&nbsp; Once the first captain picks his draft spot, the second captain picks any spot but the one chosen by the first, and so on, until all draft spots are filled.<br /><br />Trading is unlimited during pre-season. Each team may trade any number of times per week, but is allowed a maximum of three trades during the regular season. Teams may not trade if they have played their game during that week and must wait until the following week to trade. Once a player has been in the roster on two different teams, he cannot return to the roster of the original team for the rest of the season.<br /><br />[b]For a full list of all new IDL rules, please visit [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=756.0]THIS[/url] thread[/b].<br /><br />[u][b]IDL Winter 2013 Free Agents[/b][/u]<br /><br />Beast<br />Bless_<br />Bojan<br />Dawsonation<br />Decay<br />DevastatioN<br />DevilutioN<br />Dew<br />Dragon<br />Dr. Sean<br />Fluffles<br />Godsdoomer<br />HeX9109<br />IceDragon<br />Jarin<br />LordBritish<br />Lord_Draikus<br />MassVC<br />ModeneseAdriano<br />Nautilus<br />Necro_Kid<br />Nub_hat<br />Nostar<br />Perrondon<br />Quiksilver<br />RecK<br />Roscoe<br />Rude (allday)<br />RustInPeace<br />ShadowStalker<br />Spider<br />SwiftShot<br />ThatsJustPrime<br />turSKA<br /><br />[Mod edit: shut up, mass. you&#039;re not head of anything except your cock anymore!]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8136, 791, 25, 1358063721, 19, 8136, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_cn4QlnoFZWE/TNL87JKuxJI/AAAAAAAAAPo/zfPbv1Ztww4/s1600/jackie.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8026, 776, 25, 1356388803, 214, 8026, 'Re: To the free agents this season...', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.29.142', 1, 0, '', 'Yo, I called it. A cap always messes up in the draft.&nbsp; :&#039;(', 'xx', 1);
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	(7646, 739, 1, 1348674294, 0, 7646, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Soul Sucka', '', '201.22.33.122', 1, 0, '', 'Hey, I like some forum activity........... Good luck to both players!', 'xx', 1);
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	(5877, 579, 20, 1326306945, 19, 5877, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.113.34', 1, 0, '', 'http://xen.unidoom.org/doom/idl/IDLXI-Week1-MAD-vs-KNF-povXen.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(6414, 624, 20, 1331148533, 75, 6414, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'this is getting more and more absurd as bloodstrike gets lumped with even more joint categories. a rookie? ask yourself this question: were you even born back in summer 2007 when bloodstrike already played the IDL? cause i have my doubts. a breakout player? oh well, i guess everything he did before landing on the uberpowered ultraleet bitchkillers of SGS was just a mere preview and rookie struggling and whatnot. except [i]bloodstrike already has a masterbowl ring, from the very first season he played![/i] oh and the last one... comeback? [i]really[/i]? he came back in winter 2011, that&#039;s 2 seasons ago.<br /><br />you can&#039;t attach random names to categories just because you want to mention your homeboys. on the other hand, perhaps you can, but don&#039;t expect the awards to hold any weight.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6188, 573, 17, 1328910200, 0, 6188, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Fastidious', '', '75.4.142.117', 1, 0, '', 'Unfortunately it will remain a problem until we get better clients/servers/tech.&nbsp; In QW we have QTV which offers unlimited spots and 10 second delay to stop ghosting.&nbsp; So spectator spots on server is turned off and everyone, even streamers, have to watch on QTV.&nbsp; Even if we get say 32 slots it could still be an issue but probably much less of one.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5072, 517, 17, 1318898815, 1322, 5072, 'Re: The Draft', 'SwiftShot', 'markwwfc1992@hotmail.com', '82.30.151.199', 1, 0, '', '@ Tenchu<br /><br />Also,I doubt it helps your case of wanting to cap when you&#039;ve been caught hacking, and inpersonating other players [b]multiple[/b] times.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6186, 606, 17, 1328908510, 75, 6186, 'Re: Demo rule clarifications', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 1328908615, 'dew', 'i&#039;ve already used hockey penalties to explain idl power plays several times... because this whole time i actually thought they were inspired by them. so yeah, i too was surprised upon learning there was no overall concept for penalties. so how would hockey penalties look like? except for the obvious 5v5 and 2min differences, it could be very close to solving all our needs.<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]first demo infraction = minor penalty = 3min for the offending player. gets cancelled when a flag is scored.[/li]<br /><br />[li]second demo infraction = major penalty. we use a full round man down or until a flag is scored, i believe. hockey would use 5min with no relief upon flags scored. [i]this[/i] would be better than what we currently have, even though i&#039;m actually not sure what it is.[/li]<br /><br />[li]third demo infraction = todd bertuzzi punches steve moore in the back of the head. get the fuck out for the rest of the season.[/li]<br /><br />[li]scheduling infraction = a penalty for the bench/team, like when too many men on ice happens. a guy designated by the coach goes to serve the penalty, which is a minor. even following scheduling infractions by the same team would be the same.[/li]<br /><br />[li]two penalties at once = two players sit at the same time. if the penalties are minor, the first flag releases one of the players (hockey has probably rules for who goes first, but in our case we [i]start[/i] in power play mode, so the cap would probably decide who jumps in). the second guy still sits until another flag gets scored or 3 minutes pass.<br /><br />Q: but what if it is a major and a minor?<br />A: well then, the player sitting for the minor gets released after the first flag, but the player serving the major serves full 5 minutes. two major penalties equal a 5minute 3v1.<br /><br />Q: but what if it&#039;s a demo infraction and a scheduling infraction?<br />A: does not matter, it&#039;s the same thing as the previous scenarios. you [i]can&#039;t[/i] designate the player already penalized for demo infraction to sit the scheduling penalty as well in a 2+2 combo, someone else has to sit for &quot;his&quot; penalty along with him. you have to go 3v1. if his demo penalty is a major, the other guy jumps in after a flag and he keeps sitting.<br /><br />Q: but but but there are 2+2&#039;s in hockey!<br />A: that is not a question, but here goes. 2+2 double minors are given for fouls that draw blood. i guess if you ignore your demo uploading duty so hard it makes xen&#039;s heart bleed, you get to serve a 2+2.[/li]<br /><br />[li]three penalties at once = still 3v1. a mandatory number of players has to be kept on ice (3 out of 5 in hockey). the first flag doesn&#039;t release any player. i&#039;d say the cap has to play alone, but then again he might be a major offender, which shouldn&#039;t be forgiven, but if you get 3 penalties with one or more of them being major... uh. let&#039;s pretend this can&#039;t happen to us.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />this is how i [i]envision[/i] penalties in the idl.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6412, 627, 18, 1331144316, 4, 6412, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '68.83.192.117', 1, 0, '', 'There was a really sick run Whiteboy did in Week 7, that would&#039;ve been great to include. Anyway great vid Xen, the intro was especially well done.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5886, 581, 17, 1326349757, 214, 5901, '2012 wad', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.182.66', 1, 1326382018, 'RustInPeace', 'Hello there. As I&#039;m sure most of you already know, the current 2012 IDL wad is not the final. Earlier today there was an instance of ChaosCore and TT and possibly Funcrusher all having a wad named idl2012.wad and guess what, there was 2 versions. Why was this? Well lets take a trip down memory lane.<br /><br />Apparently the first idl2012 was made by Ralphis. However it contained changes that the board did not vote on. The main things being the spawns on map28, the mspaint textures on map32 and the inclusion of proctf map# whatever. Although a majority of the players prefer Ralphis&#039; re-texture of map32 (a poll was even made that reflects that most players hate the mspaint textures) the board voted to have eyerape map32. The map28 dilemma was a bit more split but overall most players wanted the 2 spawn version since they found out that the 2 pistol spawns created with the 6 spawn fix fucking suck. But the board voted for 6 spawns to be implemented. Now Ralphis` wad did include the past masterbowl maps in a special slot and thankfully it was kept in place in a less redundant manner in v2 of idl2012.<br /><br />Now, the next big difference regards the proctf map. If you don&#039;t know what map it is, take a look at map24 in the v2 2012 wad. Pretty dopey looking huh? As far as I know, the map probably wasn&#039;t properly playtested. Unless they board took the trouble to play it on skulltag because the damn proctf wad doesn&#039;t work at all on zd. So the horrible map that was Pissed Off Libraries (which was probably barely playtested at all) that was voted on got replaced by another map that was selected based nearly only on looks and 1 person&#039;s word. So we have a 75mb soon to be 1tb wad that:<br /><br />Has mod music that bloats the wad<br />Has 6 spawn map28<br />Has mspaint map32<br />Has an untested proctf map<br />Has misnamed maps (AlexMax apparently made Exophase II)<br /><br />And another kicker is that map04 is once again broken. Ralphis`wad fixed not only the hall of mirrors in the slime tunnel but the invisible barriers that stuck out on the bridge. However, v2 tosses these fixes aside. Yippie.<br /><br />So this begs the question of why can&#039;t we just use Ralphis` wad and be done with daily updates to the 2012 wad? Few care about mod music. The majority of players hate mspaint textures. Map04 is fixed. Most players want 2 spawn. None give a shit about proctf. Oh and Alex would like his map named properly and I understand. How about we just make things easy and use Ralph&#039;s wad? I understand the board wants to maintain integrity and credibility by standing by what they vote on. However in the eyes of many players they have already lost those qualities. <br /><br />Yes, I know there will be a patch for 32. But why should we have to put up with this bs? Just include the fucking thing in the wad. Its already 70+ mb full of shit. You can include a few kb&#039;s of something that is important. Just put aside lousy politics and use a finished wad that doesn&#039;t need to be updated everyday.<br /><br />edit: ammo imbalance is gone<br />edit: don&#039;t post at midnight', 'xx', 1);
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	(7461, 723, 22, 1346602549, 19, 7461, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'im gonna start a comp clan on st and wipe everyone out and when were the only ones left standing ud will buy us out<br /><br />oh wait that was zrk, shit', 'xx', 1);
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	(6714, 657, 17, 1335737066, 158, 6714, 'Odamex Announcer', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.91.52', 1, 0, '', 'Change the goddamn announcer and I&#039;ll sign up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7647, 739, 1, 1348682452, 19, 7647, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'play a set on nl and a set on nj<br /><br /><br />going to be an interesting match. i like challenge matches.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7692, 740, 17, 1349155709, 157, 7693, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 1349159426, 'Legion_', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=740.msg7691#msg7691 date=1349149615]<br />Are predicted puffs/blood planned?<br />[/quote]if we want to shit up the way it looks and make it like zdaemon then sure. its much easier to just get used to what already exists than try to implement something like that and get it to be accurate (doesn&#039;t everyone remember ALL the client side bugs on zdaemon, such as walking corpses and whiffed shots)<br /><br /><br />EDIT:<br />[quote]2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:38:20&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	Well<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:38:42&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	You would probably want to make sure the RNG was in sync<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:38:57&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	so your predicted shots resemble what might actually show up<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:39:33&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	The client would need to tell the server to not send it any bullet puffs that originated from that player<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:41:22&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	Also you run into the question of what puffs to draw<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:41:35&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	do you draw all the puffs on the wall and it looks like they went through the player<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:41:45&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	or do you only draw the puffs that don&#039;t hit the predicted player<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:42:02&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	and then there&#039;s the question of do you draw the blood puffs on the player...which is a whole different kettle of fish<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:44:15&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	Every time the client assumes something...predicts something...there&#039;s the possibility it might be wrong<br />2012-10-02&nbsp; 00:44:43&nbsp; &lt;AlexMax&gt;	What if he shoots someone, everything is predicted, but right at that moment a player spawns in his way[/quote]<br /><br />dont do it please', 'xx', 1);
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	(6740, 658, 22, 1336410625, 0, 6740, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.96.241', 1, 0, '', 'Name: SoulSucka<br />Country/State: Brazil<br />Email contact: raijinsc@gmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: QuakeNet #idl, MSN, AIM<br />Regular Availability: After 6 PM on weekdays, anytime on weekends.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7941, 762, 25, 1355707824, 209, 7946, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '24.74.30.216', 1, 1355714817, 'AlexMax', '[quote author=Jenova link=topic=762.msg7928#msg7928 date=1355631562]First of all, not having fun was only a part of the problem. I think the majority issue is that Odamex is too different than Zdaemon, which has been the select port of the IDL for [b]six years[/b]. I&#039;m sure these people who have been playing it for that amount of time simply don&#039;t want to re-learn a more buggy version of what they are used to playing.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Godsdoomer]I know that everyone can&#039;t be pleased with the change to oda - me being one of them.[/quote]<br /><br />Here is the big problem that the IDL was faced with:<br /><br />* Nobody really knows what ZDaemon 1.09 would have changed on a whim (since, of course, the developers and administration ignore the IDL).&nbsp; Switching to 1.09 was never really an option.<br />* Odamex has problems and bugs that people aren&#039;t used to.<br />* Zandronum is way way way too different of a port to even consider.<br />* ZDaemon 1.08 is an unmaintained port.&nbsp; Sure, it crashed occasionally, but the bigger elephant in the room was future compatibility issues.&nbsp; If there was ever an issue with a future version of Windows or with certain computer configurations and ZDaemon (like my personal inability to even start 1.08, or the fullscreen moire issues even with whatever command line param you had to use to get the palette to not be garbage), they could basically never be fixed.<br /><br />So there are only two real options here.&nbsp; Continue with ZDaemon 1.08 for a few more seasons, or switch to Odamex.<br /><br />I don&#039;t doubt that perhaps maybe the IDL signup list would have been bigger if the IDL had switched back to ZDaemon 1.08 for this season.&nbsp; However, this is overlooking one very important fact...for every season on ZDaemon, that is tons less playtime that Odamex gets as a result.&nbsp; [b]Many issues with Odamex have been found and fixed precisely because of people investing the amount of time into it that they have.[/b]&nbsp; Heck, Jenova himself has been the catalyst of several changes in 0.6.2 like widescreen support.<br /><br />If the IDL would have ridden ZDaemon 1.08 out until it was no longer a real option, Odamex probably still would not have been a no-complatints replacement right off of the bat.&nbsp; I will be the last to admit that Odamex is a perfect port, but with each release and each game played on it, it gets a little closer.&nbsp; Of course, if players don&#039;t feel like investing in an imperfect port with developers that want to do right by them and get it to that place where they&#039;re comfortable with it, that&#039;s their decision, but it does seem kind of discouraging.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5878, 579, 20, 1326310306, 214, 5878, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.182.66', 1, 0, '', 'Hatred he asked for a demo not a damn article.<br /><br />http://filefactory.com/file/c1548b4/n/IDL_W2012W1_RRSvsCTB_POV_Ru5tK1ng.zdo', 'xx', 1);
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	(5887, 579, 20, 1326350153, 64, 5887, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'BloodStrike', 'fat1802002@yahoo.com', '24.118.252.216', 1, 0, '', 'http://speedy.sh/JVHAa/2012.01.08-19.07.24-SGSBeatsNOSTAR.zdo', 'xx', 1);
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	(5908, 579, 20, 1326419269, 2006, 5908, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Nosturi', 'n0sturi@hotmail.com', '80.223.192.135', 1, 0, '', 'week 1<br />http://www.mediafire.com/?dddv7z41dl45w22', 'xx', 1);
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	(6413, 624, 20, 1331145977, 130, 6413, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'While I generally think these threads popularity contests I suppose I may as well post my opinion. As both a player and a captain I&#039;m of the opinion that wins are the only relevant statistics. If you don&#039;t win you&#039;re not an MVP...if you don&#039;t win you&#039;re not a top captain, and so on.<br /><br />[b]Captain of the year: Hatred[/b]<br />Hatred wins this award for gambling at #2 and pulling it off. I don&#039;t personally think Hate is a good captain but I think his performance and decision making this year give him and edge over me for this award. Captaining = picking well, game planning well and practicing. Hate did all of those things better than anyone else and his record reflects it.<br /><br />[b]MVP: Chaindude[/b] It&#039;s easily Chaindude. 65 caps is unprecedented. I know that 5/9 of our games went 3 rounds but the fact that we only lost 1 game and he had 2.3 caps a round (from the largest sample league wide) while breaking every flag record (by a wide margin) is really incredible. All of this while being relatively inactive for the last year or two. That&#039;s enough for me to give the award to Chain.<br /><br />[b]Rookie of the Year: Delusion[/b] Guys, Blake Griffin wasn&#039;t a Rookie when he won Rookie of the Year. You can&#039;t just merge this with &quot;guy who didn&#039;t live up to his potential&quot; or &quot;guy who had a good season after a few bad ones&quot;. There is a specific level of maturity and skill that comes with having a successful season in one&#039;s first go at the highest levels of competition. With that said I think there was only 1 rookie this season and I had the pleasure of playing against him on a very unforgiving map for a rookies. Delusion gets the award not only because he&#039;s the only true rookie but also because he played like a pro in our ZD02 game.<br /><br />[b]Most Improved Award: Mantis[/b]<br />Yeah Legion had a BOSS year. He was a true IDL 3rd for the first time in his career and it showed with KnF snagging a playoff berth. If White had been more active this team might have won their Conference. Truly impressive. However, Mantis carried his team when their 1st round pick vanished, played every position at a high level and only whined a fraction of what he could have given the circumstances. In addition to all of that his team won their Conference and will hold home-field throughout the playoffs.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6187, 593, 20, 1328909995, 0, 6187, 'Re: CORRECT TEAM STATS', 'Fastidious', '', '75.4.142.117', 1, 0, '', 'Like always stats need context.&nbsp; I played like 5 secs one round when Shakal reconnected and as a result my per rnd stats all tanked this season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6715, 655, 22, 1335738578, 4, 6715, 'Re: Summer 2012 Changes', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '71.197.24.195', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=655.msg6706#msg6706 date=1335679248]I&#039;m pleased to announce that the IDL has found it&#039;s own permanent set of servers in Chicago. There are not any servers up just yet, but you can ping them with this IP: 74.91.122.209.[/quote]<br /><br />Jenova&#039;s slowly taking over the IDL. First the IDL TS, now the IDL servers. It won&#039;t be long at all before he takes over the administration and begins his totalitarian regime where Nostar is banned forever. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6741, 658, 22, 1336432384, 145, 6741, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.148.110.167', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Fluffles<br />Country/State: GB<br />Email Contact: petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk<br />IM Contact: #idl #odamex <br />Regular Availability: Evenings other than weekends', 'xx', 1);
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	(7462, 723, 22, 1346605912, 1328, 7462, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.220.200', 1, 0, '', '[quote=Dewww]you&#039;re not manning up and taking a stance[/quote]<br /><br />Hate to play advocate here, but him not leaving H because you say so is kind of standing up in of itself. He&#039;s just not standing up to what YOU agree with, which is generally the definition of, &quot;standing up.&quot;', 'xx', 1);
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	(7648, 731, 22, 1348682595, 19, 7648, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'I remember when I was on the board Dew somehow lost all the changes we were doing and then everyone flat out stopped caring about updating the page after like a month+ of changes were lost.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7694, 740, 17, 1349199455, 8, 7694, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m glad I can at least understand what is happening now. I don&#039;t notice things like this as much in CTF as I do in dueling, but as the person getting killed in slow-motion over and over again I was very sure that I should have escaped death right there. At this point it&#039;s just in my DNA to think I should have survived, but it is all starting to make more sense to me. Obviously I am not used to the unlagged after having played ZDaemon for the better part of 9 years, but I would prefer accurate shots over predicted puffs. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7929, 768, 25, 1355631804, 8, 7949, 'Draft Picking Order', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1355777064, 'HumanBones', 'Captains get to choose their own spots in the first round of the draft. Subsequent round picks are determined by the snake format. Once the first captain picks his draft spot, the second captain picks any spot but the one chosen by the first, and so on, until all draft spots are filled. <br /><br />The order by which captains will choose their draft spots is: <br /><br />The IDL Winter 2013 Draft Picking Order: [s]Tai[/s], [s]Antlint[/s], [s]Legion[/s], [s]Strangle[/s], [s]Ten[/s], [s]Shane[/s],[s] Ralphis, HumanBones[/s]<br /><br />[b]CAPTAINS[/b]<br />1 CP Tai&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Killing Browns<br />2 CP Strangle&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Fnordy Niners<br />3 CP Ten&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Brokeback Cowboys<br />4 CP Shane&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  We&#039;re All Doomed<br />5 CP Ralphis&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Super Chargers<br />6 CP Antlint&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Berserker Packers<br />7 CP HumanBones&nbsp; Sexual Panthers<br />8 CP Legion&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Boxers and Dooming<br /><br />[Edit: FUCKING DO-OVER]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8027, 776, 25, 1356407107, 213, 8027, 'Re: To the free agents this season...', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '98.222.82.216', 1, 0, '', 'Tenchu* fucked up.&nbsp; We might see a free agency trade in just a few days here.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8137, 791, 25, 1358064882, 73, 8137, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '50.90.39.128', 1, 0, '', 'Lets just hope BBC&#039;s brand doesn&#039;t get tarnished by this.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7825, 758, 25, 1352767101, 0, 7825, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.6.33', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Antlint<br />Country/State: Brazil<br />Email contact: raijinsc@gmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: QuakeNet #idl, Skype<br />Regular Availability: Evenings/nights on weekends, anytime on weekends.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8469, 822, 29, 1361420455, 214, 8807, 'Re: February ''13 Onslaught Tournament', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '65.68.72.21', 1, 1364441877, 'Ru5tK1ng', 'Pick-Up #5<br />Wad: gothicmd map01<br />Players: 8<br />Fraglimit: 40<br />Points Worth: 5<br />Gameplay Options: Freelook, OS Sound, OS Physics<br />Results: http://rust.unidoom.org/compet/febcoll2013/idlpickup%23005gothicdm.htm', 'xx', 1);
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	(5879, 579, 20, 1326312380, 15, 5879, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '184.144.177.39', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://speedy.sh/cHgS2/BEATNOSTAR.zdo]http://speedy.sh/cHgS2/BEATNOSTAR.zdo[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(5881, 579, 20, 1326316705, 7, 5881, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'Hey Hatred.&nbsp; Those aren&#039;t turrible ideas, but I didn&#039;t talk with any IDL admins when I made this thread; I just didn&#039;t want demos to disappear and I need some for stats anyway.&nbsp; Downloading/uploading is really no trouble at all, thanks for worrying though&nbsp; :-*<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />I am heartened to see so many posts, maybe there won&#039;t be any demo infractions this week!!!!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(5890, 579, 20, 1326351525, 38, 5890, 'Re: Post Demos Here', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.72.127', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.sendspace.com/file/wiv57m<br /><br />Week 1 vs BBC ', 'xx', 1);
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	(5888, 581, 17, 1326350448, 209, 5888, 'Re: 2012 wad', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '24.74.30.216', 1, 1326351310, 'AlexMax', 'Don&#039;t really know what the board is doing, don&#039;t really care.&nbsp; However, servers that plan on sticking with Ralphis&#039; wad for priv should probably rename the WAD so not to conflict with the board&#039;s idl2012, whatever that ends up being.<br /><br />I have taken the initiative and renamed Ralphis&#039; wad idl2012-.wad for FUNCRUSHER+.&nbsp; You can find it [url=http://files.funcrusherplus.net/wads/idl2012-.zip]here[/url], and if you plan on mirroring the wads on your own file server I suggest you also offer the [url=http://files.funcrusherplus.net/wads/idl2012-.7z]7-zip[/url] version in the same directory, so those with Doomseeker can shave 5 megs off their download.&nbsp; If you already have his release, of course, you can just rename it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4867, 511, 17, 1317757507, 7, 4867, 'New Captain Draft Position', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'How do you guys think new captains should be placed into the draft?', 'xx', 1);
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	(6716, 655, 22, 1335744552, 19, 6717, 'Re: Summer 2012 Changes', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.229.76', 1, 1335744670, 'Xenaero', 'I think it would be worth noting which options in the menus would be restricted in the server configurations. Blood intensity, for example.<br /><br />Or are those specifics too far in the future to know this far in advance?', 'xx', 1);
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	(6742, 658, 22, 1336432610, 17, 6742, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '76.29.49.114', 1, 0, '', 'Name: MionicDonut<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email Contact: Sparx7300@yahoo.com<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl or irc.dal.net #tnt2<br />Regular Availability: Monday-Friday Evenings, Saturday afternoons, most sundays.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7463, 723, 22, 1346607292, 75, 7463, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mobius link=topic=723.msg7462#msg7462 date=1346605912]Hate to play advocate here, but him not leaving H because you say so is kind of standing up in of itself. He&#039;s just not standing up to what YOU agree with, which is generally the definition of, &quot;standing up.&quot;[/quote]<br />egad! you&#039;re right. anyone standing behind his decision to share a clan with tosen and [i]mr. cheater[/i] is a saint with nerves of steel.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7826, 758, 25, 1352768497, 1322, 7826, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'SwiftShot', 'markwwfc1992@hotmail.com', '86.20.15.87', 1, 0, '', 'Name: SwiftShot <br />Country: GB<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl #odamex<br />Regular Availability: No idea, changes every week', 'xx', 1);
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	(7836, 758, 25, 1353024387, 2174, 7836, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.243.41.44', 1, 0, '', 'Decay<br />Canada<br />IRC: #mxu on quakenet or zanirc<br />available friday through monday only.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7857, 758, 25, 1354079679, 214, 7857, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.68.74.152', 1, 1354115083, 'LordBritish', 'Posting for hatred by request:<br /><br />Name: Hatedaddy<br />Country/State: OHIO<br />Availability: 2am-2:15am<br />Contact: www.myspace.com/dcthareason<br />Misc: We run dis', 'xx', 1);
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	(7875, 762, 25, 1354750871, 214, 7875, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.71.124.77', 1, 0, '', 'In addition, there are also some players that have been playing for many years and have finally become jaded with regards to the stale game. The formula of the league is more or less the same each season. One major change is the departure of nostar which has led to a decrease of underhandedness in the league, but otherwise it&#039;s the same old.<br /><br />A lot of new players have come around as the older crowd exits stage left. That is how it&#039;s always been: players leave and new ones replace them. Time moves on and players either keep up with the league or go do something else. <br /><br />I think at this point,&nbsp; your question has been fully answered legion.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7947, 768, 25, 1355723276, 17, 7947, 'Re: Draft Picking Order', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '76.29.49.114', 1, 0, '', 'Busy with school for winter, but I will consider it for the summer.&nbsp; <br />This scheme could also work just fine, I have been wrong before.<br /><br />Regardless, will consider for the summer season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8028, 776, 25, 1356407563, 214, 8028, 'Re: To the free agents this season...', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.29.142', 1, 0, '', 'Mass continues his journey from missing shotguns to missing practice.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8138, 791, 25, 1358067583, 1969, 8138, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'turSKA', 'friikki_eki@hotmail.com', '88.115.108.36', 1, 0, '', 'Hilarious', 'xx', 1);
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	(1781, 171, 26, 1273341044, 130, 1781, 'Re: Official Server Expansion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Maybe the way you play is dumb (?) It is btw, I&#039;m just asking you to think about it.<br /><br />I would say that having an alternative isn&#039;t a terrible thing, like SPE vs BBC last season might have liked to agree on RN. Or even in the even of TT being a gaywad and pinging everyone (or just bones) it&#039;s nice to have an alternative. My point was that NOT having a default&nbsp; server causes a lot of problems, and petty unregulatable problems. We can&#039;t just have a rule that makes server disputes fair, unless a random number generator is fair to you, and you want to be at the mercy of that.<br /><br />To be honest I couldn&#039;t really understand the first part of your post. You&#039;re incredibly dumb. Maybe you meant u don&#039;t wanna switch servers week to week. If that is the case then I agree, it sucks. Lets just keep TT and tell Blair to take some business classes with all his savings. Oh, and if you want TT to work better, put some money or know-how into making it better. If you&#039;re smarter than Ladna, you&#039;ll have carte blanche.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6190, 606, 17, 1328913116, 75, 6190, 'Re: Demo rule clarifications', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=606.msg6189#msg6189 date=1328910773]I think we should just get rid of the whole thing and go to something like this - demos have to be provided on request to IDL admins if cheating or irregularities are suspected. [/quote]<br />stopped reading after this because of brain malfunction. luckily i have an answer bookmarked for occassions like this!<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL4M__4EvNs', 'xx', 1);
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	(6416, 624, 20, 1331153726, 214, 6416, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.68.74.215', 1, 0, '', 'The only Award that matters is winning the MasterBowl and even then that doesn&#039;t mean shit until the board starts mailing Ring Pops to the winners!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6718, 654, 18, 1335768298, 163, 6718, 'Re: Change', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.18.46.232', 1, 0, '', 'For those who are still against it, I strongly advise you give the port a shot. While there are still small bugs to be ironed out, Odamex is definitely ready for IDL. One of my concerns is going to be addressed per Ralphis, which tells me this development team is all for what the player base wants. This is something the IDL has never had: a port that listens to their people. Whether you&#039;re pro-ZDaemon, pro-eecs, pro-ST, the only thing I can say is Oda is the future and we&#039;d all rather everyone be a part of than not be a part of it. It really is that awesome!<br /><br />Also, can someone make zvox work on Oda so we don&#039;t have to get used to that blasted quake announcer???', 'xx', 1);
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	(5889, 581, 17, 1326351368, 163, 5889, 'Re: 2012 wad', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.135.214', 1, 0, '', 'Having two different IDL wads floating around for one season is a horrible idea. The board made their decision to include certain qualities of maps that people voted strongly against. Now, it is true, though the board made the poll and wanted peoples&#039; opinions, they are not obligated to act on them. However, the constant theme I&#039;ve seen from this current board since it&#039;s inception has been giving the people what they want (team names were a big one and that was what ultimately won it over). <br /><br />I&#039;m not using this as an opportunity to bash the board, the commissioner or anybody involved. When you have a system dependent upon voting, people will disagree even after decisions are set in stone. That&#039;s just how it goes. But what this ultimately comes down to is Ralph&#039;s wad vs The Board&#039;s wad and in essence, Ralph vs The Board. We can pick sides, we can complain or we can do something better: be productive. Someone let go of their ego and give the people what they want. Vote on the wads. Whichever wins is the final. <br /><br />I know Ralph&#039;s wad went against the board&#039;s wishes and ultimately looks bad upon the board if they cave and allow Ralph&#039;s wad to be introduced. However, it seems to be what the people want. It also seems to be less confusing and requires the least amount of work (Ralph&#039;s wad would be final, no more releases). <br /><br />In closing, let&#039;s all use some common sense here. The players would not be without the board and the board would not be without the players. Both sides need each other. It seems the majority want Ralph&#039;s wad so let&#039;s just go with it, man. If it turns out I&#039;m wrong, then hey, go with the new version. Either way, a vote would easily clear this up.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6189, 606, 17, 1328910773, 0, 6189, 'Re: Demo rule clarifications', 'Fastidious', '', '75.4.142.117', 1, 1328910915, 'Fastidious', 'Can infractions cancel each other out on opposing teams?&nbsp; What about FA players who come in one week don&#039;t record a demo then go back to FA?&nbsp; They never serve a penalty and no one is likely to use them as a FA sub again?<br /><br />I think we have forgotten the point of why this rule was made in the first place - to stop cheating.&nbsp; I&#039;d say this rule has gone way over it&#039;s original purpose now and actually punishes non-cheating players on a regular basis.&nbsp; On the whole I think this rule has caused more problems and bullshit than it&#039;s saved so far.&nbsp; Lots of matches have been more lame because of power plays or people sitting out.<br /><br />I think we should just get rid of the whole thing and go to something like this - demos have to be provided on request to IDL admins if cheating or irregularities are suspected.&nbsp; Failure to provide demos when requested result in infractions.&nbsp; Then just require the winning team to upload 1 demo or face infractions.&nbsp; Players can upload their demos if they want beyond that.&nbsp; I love seeing various POVs and hopefully someday we&#039;ll be playing with server side demos that record all mouse look for all POV but I think the amount of infractions we are seeing harms the league currently.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6415, 622, 17, 1331148956, 75, 6415, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=622.msg6410#msg6410 date=1331111662]It&#039;s survival coop is second to none...[/quote]<br />are you banned from zd or living under a rock or something? 1.09 has been strutting its fresh survival/coop powers every week for the past 5 months or something. TNS is the most popular mass event in multiplayer doom these days, surpassing even nitros. <br /><br />skulltag is actually lagging behind in development speed, [i]considerably.[/i] the latest released version?<br />zdaemon 1.09 b26: 2012-02-17<br />odamex 0.5.6: 2011-11-05<br />skulltag 98d: 2010-11-06<br /><br />that&#039;s right, skulltag is stuck in a development limbo spanning over a year. 98e is still not even in a RC stage... and even that is much older than the betas of the competing ports. you [i]may[/i] argue that both b26 and 056 are currently unusable for idl&#039;s needs, but let&#039;s be honest, so is 98d/e. it&#039;d need as much update work as the other competitors.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6717, 654, 18, 1335744563, 19, 6717, 'Re: Change', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.229.76', 1, 0, '', 'Cool. :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6743, 658, 22, 1336433848, 2197, 6807, 'Re: IDL Summer 2012 Signups', 'Merk', 'merk21582@yahoo.com', '65.28.234.164', 1, 1337134389, 'Merk', 'Name: MeRk<br />Country/State: USA/OHIO<br />Email Contact: merk21582@yahoo.com<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet: #idl #odamex<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings', 'xx', 1);
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	(7464, 723, 22, 1346607540, 16, 7464, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=723.msg7423#msg7423 date=1346547977]<br />This is probably the most ill-founded argument one could bring up. Again as I said previously in another post above, you just can&#039;t do this [please see the example I had posted]. By using your &#039;logic&#039; (and I use that term loosely in this case), every R member is a supporter of DDOSing other fellow members, and is completely their fault even if they&#039;re not around for this. Furthermore you claim that since R is an old clan (is it 2005 they were founded?) that they know how clans run since they&#039;re considerably older guys who have the years and years of experience and therefore willingly support that without a shadow of a doubt. In addition, the IDL has accepted Shane to play, which means that the IDL knowingly is letting him play despite his action on another port (skulltag, hacking and ban evading). Therefore by what you said, the IDL is responsible for letting him play and therefore endorses cheating on other ports. I&#039;m sure you can see how asinine such a thing would be by just those two examples alone.<br /><br />Trying to interfere with external port clan politics is Kilgore&#039;ish. The fact he is banned on Odamex and never will be able to play on this port again should be good enough for everyone. The best thing to do now instead of dragging this drama out would be to move past it and stop putting it in the spotlight. I&#039;m sure we&#039;re both familiar about how feeding trolls with attention just encourages more, and in this case does nothing.<br />Again if we go back to the Shane argument above, I have no problem with him playing on the IDL. He abides by the rules, he comes here to play and that is all that matters. I won&#039;t bring baggage over from another port. If Tosen decides to do something bad on Zandronum, then he is going to get banned and won&#039;t be playing that port either.<br /><br />The most [b]logical[/b] thing to do is ban the problem causer from the port and not throw out the good half of the apple with the bad. Asking H members to leave their clan and dissociate from everything related to that clan because of an event with one person is obviously extreme. I&#039;m sure with the vast amount of clan experience you possess that you understand how dynamic clan relations can be, and that not everyone is a shining gold star; we sometimes have to put up with stuff from time to time. If you want to go Kilgore and slander innocent members that don&#039;t have a part in this, feel free. I seem to have forgotten how important things like this are.<br /><br />I&#039;m hoping that the IDL can move forward past this event and secure it from ever happening again. The focus should be on the positive and where to go from here.<br /><br /><br /><br />Also Hydra just got back, his response is as follows:<br />[i]I do not care what happens on Odamex. We are a Zandronum clan and not responsible for anything that happens on another port. Tosen is not being kicked out.[/i]<br />He does not have a forum account and I posted this on his behalf. You can always ask him further questions on his Teamspeak server if you want to get in touch with him.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />FWIW, you may call your premise &quot;standing up for your friends&quot; and all that, but like Ladna alluded to, I think it&#039;s missing the bigger picture. <br /><br />I remember when I was in a clan in Soldat that this certain map in a private server (essentially the equivalent of odapriv without the organized teams) had gun turrets. The thing was, the gun turrets (in that version of Soldat anyways) was so OP that you could essentially control the map using them, and it was frowned upon to use them. Seeing as I was in high school and couldn&#039;t care, and wasn&#039;t sure why they weren&#039;t disabled if people really didn&#039;t like them, I decided to use them anyways. I didn&#039;t see the big deal; it&#039;s not like I used them in scrims or wars, knowing they weren&#039;t supposed to be there.<br /><br /> I believe a topic was made for the sole purpose of flaming me in the process, but essentially, people hated me, and everyone was pressuring my clan&#039;s leader to toss me out, and even have me banned from the server. In the end, a new version came out basically niffing the gun turrets, and they were eventually disabled on the private servers anyways.<br /><br />Now back to this; not wanting to leave H is not a crime. Redshirt not wanting to kick out Tosen or not caring that a&nbsp; competitive league in another port was grossly interfered with is not a crime. Still, why should we take any of you in H seriously if you&#039;re not willing to disassociate yourself with someone who is willing to comprise a competitive league essentially on a whim? The bigger thing is that Zandronum struggles to field a competitive league because of the nonchalantness of guys like some of the ones in H (Redshirt?), so Tosen doesn&#039;t face that threat of possibly not playing in that (nor cares).<br /><br />Still, it tells everyone else that you just may be a group that&#039;s more interested in trolling then actually being a real clan. If you&#039;re willing to face that, fine. But again, don&#039;t be mad that people look at the clan less seriously. ', 'xx', 1);
