[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=515.msg5005#msg5005 date=1318532444]<br />I think the team names are a cornerstone of this league and not only provide a sense of continuity and organization, but also professionalism. Yes, I do take this league rather seriously when I&#039;m playing.[/quote]<br /><br />What is professional about a doom league using reappropriated NFL names. Also, as Mass pointed out, we aren&#039;t professionals. Making this league fun should be the #1 priority. I also take IDL seriously, probably more so than most, and I think that letting people personalize their team names is a step toward retaining players and captains. It&#039;s also just plain more fun.<br /><br />[quote]All I have to do is mention SICL and that should be enough of an explanation as to why I&#039;m against this[/quote]<br />and<br />[quote]I&#039;ve seen a much greater sense of commitment (as far as a video games go) from players around the league since the franchise era and since we adopted these names.[/quote]<br /><br />The 2nd 3rd and 4th seasons of IDL weren&#039;t anything like SICL. And I would know I played in a lot of both. SICL was poorly run from an administrative standpoint. This has nothing to do with the team name argument that I can see. If there is some other reference to why random names would make us like SICL then I guess we can compare all FPS leagues to that archetype. Professionalism doesn&#039;t come in team name form. See Envy&#039;s MB team the Deep Thrusts. That team beat up a nostar/potent squad and a bones/ralphis squad. <br /><br />[quote]We [The IDL Board] create a pool of names each season for captains to choose from. My idea entails keeping the 12 names we have, but adding 8 new ones to form a pool of 20 possible team names.[/quote]<br /><br />This more or less coincides with option #2 of the poll, wherein the board picks new names for the teams to replace some of the ones they [the board] dislike. First, this isn&#039;t a compromise. If anything it&#039;s just patronizing the people who voted to allow captains to choose their own names. This allows captains to pick from names that the board okays, which as we&#039;ve seen, will most likely retain the NFL themed nonsense. I fucking love the NFL, I really do. It&#039;s just not a compromise, it&#039;s over-governance by the IDL board and it&#039;s unfun. A lot of people agree. Option #3 is more of a compromise because the player base actually gets to come up with the names as opposed to being subject to the humor, wit and creativity of the IDL Administration. I assure you guys it&#039;s few and far between.<br /><br />[quote author=Hatred link=topic=515.msg5013#msg5013 date=1318565187]<br />You read into this a bit too much. It was mostly sarcasm, which to be fair, I should have made brackets denoting that. Nonetheless, I think we all appreciate what Xen has done and will continue to do for us. [/quote]<br /><br />I assure you Xen was 100% serious when he talks about the logos. Dude DOES NOT FUCK AROUND when it comes to logos.<br /><br />[quote]In all seriousness though, I&#039;m all for this discussion but I just can&#039;t help but feel like there are for more important things to discuss.&#91;] I find it somewhat disappointing that out of all the threads currently active debating IDL Politics/Terms, this one has the most activity. There are other things worth discussing with much greater implications on the future of the league. If you want to matter, I suppose that&#039;s where you should start - hence my comment about mattering. [/quote]<br /><br /><br />The board does more than one thing at a time. The fact that this thread has become populated is an indication that it has a greater degree of importance to more people than the other threads. I personally believe this is the third most important issue in IDL right now, right after captain selection and map selection. IDL is about being fun, and naming your own team is fun. If you don&#039;t believe me just ask Bones, or Chain or Xen. Their previous team names are used in IDL to this day.<br /><br />[quote]How in god&#039;s name do you find it confusing? BSK? Who&#039;s? Clims? Jen&#039;s? Oh okay. simple enough.[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s confusing because BSK means two different things. Just like if I said that the word orange also means banana that would be confusing. BSK under Jenova was a completely different team than BSK under Clim or even BSK under Bones. They&#039;re only substantive similarity is that they were an IDL team, and that similarity can be shared by every other team, making it meaningless as a method to distinguish what BSK is. I&#039;d be willing to deal with captains having to stick with their team name for continuity&#039;s sake. I&#039;m cool with that personally. I actually think it helps with statistics, certainly more so than letting Bones&#039; BSK and Clim&#039;s BSK represent the same statistical weight under the heading &quot;BSK&#039;s All-time IDL Record&quot;. That makes zero sense to me.<br /><br />[quote]Oh okay, I literally don&#039;t know anything about those teams other than the name&#039;s are gay. [/quote]<br /><br />You thinking something is gay is not a reason IDL should decide not to do it. Furthermore you haven&#039;t explained why the Chris Benoit RageTEAM isn&#039;t a good name. The dude strangled his wife or something. That should strike fear into the hearts of many. <br /><br />[quote]At least with the current system, going back in time associating these names to static teams gives it a better sense of organization. For example, most people forget I&#039;ve been drafted in previous seasons. Do you remember me being a part of cM? Do you remember me being a part of SOM? What about DNO? No, but you certainly remember me being a part of DMR and EBL. [/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re using a false premise. Assuming that the reason I don&#039;t remember you on the cM is because of the team name is fallacious. I don&#039;t remember anyone on cM. And it isn&#039;t from the name cM. It&#039;s because you guys were forgettable. Remembering is about importance or duration of time. cM doesn&#039;t meet either of those criteria, and DMR and EBL are in the recent past. I remember TDC was Shak Chow and Whopper, I remember CMS was Rott DG and Dosu. I remember BSK was Chain Roak and Rott. These are things of importance. <br /><br />To be honest I think there are a couple of things more pressing than team names. But this is important too. Look at the poll. People actually care about this. I personally don&#039;t give a shit about the names, but I think giving players what they&#039;re asking for is a good thing. A majority of the players who voted want to pick their own team names. Let&#039;s let them. If you don&#039;t want to, you don&#039;t have to. The NFL set we have can remain the default for all of those who choose to let them. Let the people who captain decide what they want their team to be called. It&#039;s really not unreasonable.