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	(6133, 593, 20, 1327985335, 163, 6133, 'Re: CORRECT TEAM STATS', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.131.141', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=593.msg6131#msg6131 date=1327955578]<br />hatred, that&#039;s p much an oversight by ladna. after week1 even the match reports on the main page showed just the direct flags and not the pickups, heh.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />We&#039;re not referring to the match reports on the main page, we&#039;re referring to the leaders portion of the site that shows all individual stats for individual players. They are separated there. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6149, 599, 20, 1328125816, 130, 6150, 'Re: Week 5 (JAN 30 - FEB 5) : ZDCTF08 (MAP08) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '65.214.200.140', 1, 1328142587, 'nostar', '[b]Plasmadicks United vs Philanthropic Blowhards (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />[s]PDU will win this. Ladna is good on 08 and LB has no team. [/s]<br /><br />[s]EDIT: LB HAS GYRO GAME IS OFFICIALLY INTERESTING![/s]<br /><br />REEDIT: RULES ARE DUMB AND LB STILL HAS NO TEAM!<br /><br />PDU 2-0<br /><br />[b]Contrabaned vs Brokeback Cowboys (CONF)[/b] <br /><br />CTB is so unequipped to play this map. On the other hand BBC is a train wreck this season. If Denny shows up CTB will sweep this one. If Donut plays it will be battle of the inept. I will put some faith in Bones on a map he knows and say CTB.<br /><br />EDIT: BBC TRADES GYRO, CTB TO WIN BIGGER.<br /><br />CTB 2-0<br /><br />[b]Ricochet Rockets vs Mass Destruction (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />MAD could be really good here. dewww is a very effective 08 runner and Xen has fearsome mid here. I remember DG having some defensive chops as well so they could pull this together. Unfortunately I haven&#039;t seen them practice, DG will probably play his brother and RRS isn&#039;t a team you can take lightly. My guess is that RRS will pound them<br /><br />RRS 2-0<br /><br />[b]Fnordy Niners vs The Cult of Bestism (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />White doesn&#039;t RJ, Legion doesn&#039;t D and Strangle isn&#039;t a team carrier. I&#039;d like to root for them but Saber Nosturi and Xray are all pro map08 players so it&#039;s a tough break.<br /><br />TCB 2-0<br /><br />[b]We&#039;re All Doomed vs Killing Browns (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />There is no chance I lose this map.<br /><br />WAD 999999999999-0 <br /><br />[b]Super Chargers vs Super Shotgun Spurs (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />SUC is going to get out fragged. What they do about that will decide if they stay in it or not. Hatred&#039;s team isn&#039;t designed for this kind of a map but really neither is Ralph&#039;s. If Oath has a big game SUC is 50/50. If he doesn&#039;t then it&#039;s a rout. I&#039;m calling it for SGS. My guess is that Ralph can&#039;t be a hero for 2-3 rounds.<br /><br />SGS 2-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(6368, 622, 17, 1330837458, 214, 6368, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.30.246', 1, 0, '', '[quote=ladna]Something I think we should keep in mind is: why switch from ZDaemon when it currently does all the things we want Odamex to do?&nbsp; If we use ZDaemon, we have to convert ZERO maps.&nbsp; If we use ZDaemon, we have to cut ZERO maps.&nbsp; If we use ZDaemon, I have to do ZERO work handling a new stats format (or making that new stats format in the first place).&nbsp; I don&#039;t think on-the-fly WAD downloading is worth all that work and sacrifice.[/quote]<br />Simple. Players would rather take their chances than to play in a league that is run by a bunch of smug assholes.<br /><br />Your other points are null because they are based on the current status of odamex. Wait until 0.6 and&nbsp; then get back with us.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8077, 777, 25, 1357432139, 75, 8077, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'shit, mobius... just go stalk a prepubescent or something. this incoherent, grammatically challenged bullshit is too painful to read.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8648, 855, 17, 1362976979, 8, 8648, 'Re: This is why...', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '24.62.188.124', 1, 0, '', 'Players I asked to captain: Ru5tK1ng, Stall, LordBritish, ThatsJustPrime, Jenova<br /><br />Players who captained: [b]0/5[/b]<br /><br />Filter my asshole. Captain yourselves or shut up', 'xx', 1);
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	(8191, 778, 25, 1359331338, 8, 8191, 'Re: W2013 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b]We&#039;re All Doomed (WAD)[/b]<br />Traded Quiksilver to Free Agency in exchange for ShadowStalker (Week 3)', 'xx', 1);
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	(5833, 573, 17, 1325934264, 1989, 5833, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'higgs', 'phiggs@gmail.com', '68.151.44.209', 1, 0, '', 'I didn&#039;t read much of this thread but I&#039;m toying around with the idea of streaming some stuff once my new rig is operational. I have to give my new PC a purpose after all, who buys a quad core to play 20 year old games? :)<br /><br />I&#039;ve never done it before, but I know lots who have. Just a matter of reading up on it and asking them how to go about it the best way. It&#039;ll give me something to do at night when everyone&#039;s asleep &gt;:|', 'xx', 1);
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	(7851, 758, 25, 1353948981, 3659, 7851, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Lord_Draikus', 'tudelavillafuerte@gmail.com', '95.18.52.185', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Lord_Draikus<br />Country/State: Spain<br />Email: tudelavillafuerte@gmail.com<br />IM Message: None<br />Regular Availability: Only Friday, Saturday, Sunday (16-18 pm GMT+1) [Rest study]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4787, 483, 16, 1316633997, 2174, 4787, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.243.42.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=483.msg4784#msg4784 date=1316565379]<br />map01 (decay) ... i like the layout, it&#039;s fast and some of the tricks are clever. gotta love how the lifts are done, 75% less annoying than usual! thing placement is unrefined, especially the ssgs spammed on every spawn are mehh. putting just two of them per base to interesting places a la zd01 or mid&#039;s map17 could&#039;ve made the map more complex. the rocket boxes in the sewer are a bad idea for standoffs, imo. the frosted glass is too opaque for my tastes and the detailing is just excessive, the moving parts are even a little disturbing to focus. it looks nice, but it&#039;s a bit overblown for ctf needs. could be better with finetuning. 7/10[/quote]<br /><br />To be fair, only 3/8 spawns are ssg starts. The thing placement definitely could&#039;ve had more thought though, especially the rockets in the sewers....<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=483.msg4784#msg4784 date=1316565379]<br />map18 (decay) ... this looks like a rehash of decay&#039;s own map01 design with slight changes and a theme shift. i like attempt at haunting atmosphere, the chilling music is great, but the texturing is somewhere between &quot;too rich&quot; and &quot;garish&quot;. anyways, needs more originality to set it apart from map01 which has better ideas in addition to the overal layout, imo. 4/10<br />[/quote]To be honest, neither map came out the way I wanted it to. Using a bad outdated DB2, I couldn&#039;t mirror halves the way I really wanted to, resulting in the weird L block formation they both have now.&nbsp; Unfortunately its too late to change it to the way I really wanted to. Excellent reviews.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5832, 573, 17, 1325914506, 10, 5832, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Board members aren&#039;t &quot;executives&quot; and have no official enforcement powers over the league unless I missed some new rule changes', 'xx', 1);
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	(6134, 593, 20, 1328014342, 157, 6134, 'Re: CORRECT TEAM STATS', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', '[quote]WEEK 4: Whiteboy&#039;s mouse2 breaks in-game, losses sr50 ability; Legion times out during round 2, no flags surrendered/scored as a result. KNF plays their first 3 round game of the season. [/quote]<br />actually I think at least one flag was scored on us, I&#039;m pretty sure that when I timed out we were down by one flag, then when I come back we were down by 2??? I should check out my own demo to confirm', 'xx', 1);
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	(6151, 601, 1, 1328142644, 2174, 6151, 'Re: Velocity CTF', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.254.95.70', 1, 0, '', 'Thanks guys. Continued testing has shown me more db2 breaks than ever before!<br /><br />http://speedy.sh/D83WB/velo.zip I am forever riddled with problems with DB2. This version should resolve some issues.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6369, 619, 20, 1330837552, 214, 6369, 'Re: yo yo', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.30.246', 1, 0, '', 'This topic is done anyway. Its apparent we are not going to see any posts by any other board member and that&#039;s fine. Its not like they could say anything that would undo the damage that has been done.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7342, 717, 17, 1345526247, 214, 7342, 'Re: Compilation Debate', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.180.153', 1, 0, '', '[quote][quote]if you give me 20 textures I will tell you to re-texture your map.[/quote]<br />My only interpretation of this is &quot;I can&#039;t compile wads&quot;. But if you don&#039;t want to bother with it, why not put ones with custom textures in separate wads?[/quote]<br />I suggest you probably learn how to read then. I think I said in my post that I wanted players to refrain from concentrating too much on looks and the pretty factor. I want more focus on the structure and design of the map. The resource wad is more than adequate and you missed the part where I said winners could texture however they wanted. If I didn&#039;t want to bother with it at all, I would have said NO custom textures.<br /><br />As for your file sizes...I believe you missed dew&#039;s post.<br /><br />Also, of course Ralphis makes the voting look easy, he was there when it was coded. I was referring to the possible confusion among players when it came to a gigantic maplist, especially if we just put in &quot;a lot of maps&quot; into the maplist. Since you don&#039;t play in the IDL or even priv, you have no idea of the environment of competitive CTF in either Oda or Zan.<br /><br />While your comments and concerns are welcome, your participation within the league is miniscule and inutile. This in turn means that your opinion holds little value.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7426, 723, 22, 1346549610, 1328, 7426, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.220.200', 1, 0, '', 'Jenova ddos&#039;d Legion and few outside of the IDL. I don&#039;t recall Jenova ddosing people in the idl, and all the R drama with it has been outside the league. It isn&#039;t the same Watermelon, since your clanmate just came in a league match with YOU playing aliasing as ME cause of shit outside of the IDL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8371, 827, 17, 1360855302, 1328, 8371, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '174.20.105.188', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=827.msg8370#msg8370 date=1360849127]<br />[quote author=Mobius link=topic=827.msg8359#msg8359 date=1360824309]<br />Yet you wanna call Soul out? I don&#039;t agree with him about this as much as you, and I implored him right after his game with Rust to stay (which I guess worked?) but dude.. fuck off. You have other people to call out publicly.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Other people tend to do that for me. Tenchu started the thread himself. Nautilus and Doomguy criticism (especially) is on here somewhere.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />So let me get this straight. You wanna go after Soul yourself, but when it comes to other people it&#039;s alright for you to pull a bitch-move like Soul did? Note: No notification to you and using Fluffles: bitch-move.<br /><br />IBL', 'xx', 1);
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	(8076, 777, 25, 1357426305, 1328, 8077, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.198.17', 1, 1357433779, 'Nostar', '[quote author=Nostar link=topic=777.msg8075#msg8075 date=1357425733]<br />And another season goes by without a single team being dragged into the ground by Mobius.<br />[/quote]<br />i just be drafted by bad teams&nbsp; :P&nbsp; IDL screw up<br />its nice role be on bench and show you that are better than your whole team', 'xx', 1);
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	(8192, 800, 18, 1359332423, 8, 8192, 'Trading Deadline is Wednesday', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'To all teams still trying to fill out their rosters, please be aware that the Trading Deadline is [b]Wednesday, January 30th[/b]. All teams are allowed to make trades until [b]11:59:59pm EST[/b]. <br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8435, 811, 28, 1361126294, 267, 8435, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '201.103.94.182', 1, 0, '', 'i dunno lot of players retired when idl moved to odamex or after oda season 1 so my guess is oda aint that good as you say it is, i would definetly rather to play in odamex than in zd (altho i can aim a lot better and move a lot better in zd) but the weapon delay makes it really unfair for highpinger players since a guy with less than 60ms can see you before you do and shoot faster than a player with more than 130ms (fuck zd) but i wouldnt put oda over zandro yet. hopefully oda issues will get fixed for next season and idl will stop losing players,legion made some good points and should be listened instead of getting all that non sense hostility.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6135, 600, 18, 1328027214, 19, 6156, 'Demos missing for Week 4 + Update in demo rules!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.120.22', 1, 1328318479, 'Xenaero', 'The Wednesday deadline has been abolished and effectively starting this week, the requirement for uploading demos is simply to get your demo for your game in before your next one starts. So simply put, upload your Week 4 demos before your Week 5 match.<br /><br />Missing demos:<br /><br />PBH&#039;s [b]MadV[/b] &lt;--- NOT UPLOADED BEFORE WEEK 5 GAME, INFRACTION TIME BABY', 'xx', 1);
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	(6370, 622, 17, 1330841044, 7, 6370, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.99.75', 1, 1330841380, 'Ladna', 'Hrm, it looks like this will be a long post.&nbsp; I&#039;ll try &amp; section it up.<br /><br />[b]TL;DR[/b]<br />My main concern is and always has been the competitive community.&nbsp; I think that switching to an open port would be great, so great in fact I started my own because I was worried Odamex wouldn&#039;t be able to fill that need, and in my opinion as a player it still doesn&#039;t (slopes, movebob, weird lag, moving sectors, jumping, whiffed shots).&nbsp; I have a high opinion of Dr. Sean and Ralphis and I&#039;ve no doubt Odamex will eventually get there.&nbsp; I really just worry about our small community splitting up for the stupidest reasons.<br /><br />[b]Supporting a move to Odamex[/b]<br /><br />If IDL switches to Odamex before Odamex is ready, I won&#039;t support it.&nbsp; To be ready, I think Odamex needs:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Some way to watch an IDL game (there are currently only 2 teams)<br />&nbsp; - Voting (AlexMax is working on this and there&#039;s already a version in SVN)<br />&nbsp; - Slopes<br />&nbsp; - Show flag carrier on the scoreboard<br />&nbsp; - Fixed moving sectors (try opening a door or standing on an elevator)<br />&nbsp; - Fixed jumping (still can&#039;t jump on top of trees)<br />&nbsp; - Projectiles act weird in general; I think the plasma rifle lags me?<br />&nbsp; - Stats<br />&nbsp; - Firing lag fixes<br /><br />What does me not supporting it look like?&nbsp; Here are the things I currently provide:<br /><br />&nbsp; - IDL servers<br />&nbsp; - IDL.org hosting, maintenance &amp; support<br />&nbsp; - I also play in IDL<br />&nbsp; - IDL.org domain name<br />&nbsp; - IDL demo archiving<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t do that stuff anymore.&nbsp; I wouldn&#039;t delete the stuff or anything, and the site&#039;s public domain so anyone can do whatever they want to or with it.&nbsp; I guess if no one wanted to take it over I&#039;d burn some DVDs and mail them to Ralphis.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t thought that far ahead.<br /><br />[b]Holding the league hostage[/b]<br /><br />It probably looks like I&#039;m trying to hold the league hostage.&nbsp; I guess you can say that, but that&#039;s honestly not my intent.&nbsp; We&#039;ve never let source ports or their developers or administrators or politics dictate what IDL does, IDL has always made its own decisions based on the players want.&nbsp; It&#039;s one of the foundations of our community, and we rightly freak out when we feel like our admins aren&#039;t making the right decisions.&nbsp; I support IDL because I think it&#039;s the best thing in Doom right now, not just for the competitive but for all Doom everywhere and forever; IDL is the best thing to happen to Doom because the players run it.<br /><br />If IDL switches to Odamex before it&#039;s ready, it means you guys think Odamex is more important than IDL, and I think that&#039;s seriously fucked up.&nbsp; This is the same line of thinking that gets us in faggoty arguments about SR50 binds, or gun sprite settings, or PWO, or red screen, or movebob.&nbsp; <br /><br />If you guys start favoring source ports over IDL, that means the IDL I love is dead, and if that&#039;s true there&#039;s no reason for me to keep supporting it the way I have been.&nbsp; Call it &quot;selfishness&quot; if you want.<br /><br />[b]Gun puffs &amp; such[/b]<br /><br />I think IDL&#039;s used ZDaemon for 5+ years and ZDaemon does predicted puffs, and if Odamex doesn&#039;t provide that then it&#039;s missing something.&nbsp; I actually think it should be optional, that&#039;s why in EE it is.<br /><br />[b]Subjective settings[/b]<br /><br />The debate is pretty subjective, and [b]that&#039;s why we all need to make this decision together[/b], or at least have the opportunity to speak our minds about it.&nbsp; HumanBones is talking about not running IDL until Odamex is ready to host it.&nbsp; That&#039;s not his decision to make.&nbsp; If that&#039;s the case and Odamex isn&#039;t ready for the summer IDL season, I&#039;ll just run it myself.<br /><br />[b]An army of people willing to help[/b]<br /><br />I think that&#039;s awesome!&nbsp; I try and &quot;memorialize&quot; anyone who&#039;s contributed meaningfully to IDL on [url=http://www.intldoomleague.org/info/credits]the IDL.org credits page[/url].&nbsp; I don&#039;t think I suggested &quot;that players would not come together to make the push and changes to IDL resources necessary&quot;&nbsp; ???<br /><br />Yeah I&#039;m sure we can change all the slopes in all the maps to stairs, gameplay issues aside.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s stupid to do so for no reason.&nbsp; Yeah we can just cut maps with slopes.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s stupid to do so for no reason.&nbsp; Yeah I can spend another couple of months or whatever figuring out Odamex stats, I can even patch Odamex to output an event log itself or whatever.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s stupid to do so for no reason.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[quote author=RustInPeace link=topic=622.msg6368#msg6368 date=1330837458]<br />Simple. Players would rather take their chances than to play in a league that is run by a bunch of smug assholes.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think it&#039;s smug to assume you speak for the players.&nbsp; A lot of players respect you, and I think you deserve that respect.&nbsp; I wish rather than be hostile and negative in IRC and on the forums (seriously I looked at your post history and it&#039;s depressing) that you&#039;d be constructive and try to help IDL instead of constantly criticize it.&nbsp; It&#039;s way easier to tear things down than it is to build them.<br /><br />It&#039;s kind of a disconnect to say, &quot;I don&#039;t like the board, let&#039;s use Odamex&quot;.&nbsp; I&#039;ve talked with HumanBones about the things he can do to resolve problems on the board, and we&#039;ll see if he does anything about it.<br /><br />[quote author=RustInPeace link=topic=622.msg6368#msg6368 date=1330837458]<br />Your other points are null because they are based on the current status of odamex. Wait until 0.6 and&nbsp; then get back with us.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah but you can say that about anything.&nbsp; Guys, let&#039;s use Skulltag for IDL.&nbsp; I know it&#039;s not ready now but ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8589, 827, 17, 1362109486, 2303, 8589, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jarin_cz link=topic=827.msg8585#msg8585 date=1362080684]<br />The following post, &quot;Re: Someone else quits&quot; by Jarin_cz (Capodecima) has been reported by Watermelon on a board you moderate:<br /><br />The reporter has made the following comment:<br />I know there spam, but capos post ISNT REMOTELY FUNNY<br /><br />---<br /><br />while we frown upon reporting posts with all the might of the brezhnev unibrow, that post was really lame. to mend this terrible IDL crisis and to do something for once, the board gives you the following gif (now stop bothering us):<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/xell4Ar.gif[/img]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Now THAT pic was much better.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7427, 723, 22, 1346550038, 10, 7427, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Acting like the communities between the three ports are some sort of separate universe is incredibly stupid. As a side note, your clan probably sucks really bad.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7661, 740, 17, 1348763579, 15, 7664, 'Odamex Discussion', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '68.171.231.80', 1, 1348781483, 'HumanBones', 'So the first season of IDL on Odamex has passed.&nbsp; I would like to know how this community feels about it. First off, I would like to state this isn&#039;t an anti-odamex thread.&nbsp; I hope this thread brings up good bits&nbsp; of information for the dev team to work on.&nbsp; <br /><br />I hope this thread brings out some good constructive criticism.&nbsp; Also wrote this on my phone, so I&#039;m sure it will be riddled with typos that I will check later.<br /><br /> Personally, this has been by far the most frustrating season I&#039;ve been in thus far.&nbsp; Aiming and killing faggots is my primary role in this league, and I truely feel my ability to do so consistantly and effectively has dropped down significantly.&nbsp; This is largely due to the fact that I, and other players I have talked to about this matter feel as if other players aren&#039;t being displayed properly.&nbsp; AKA, players not being where they really are on the map.&nbsp; It happens way too often to be a fluke, that my shots feel like they&#039;re going through enemies.&nbsp; Also the ability to still shoot someone as they are not in your line of sight.&nbsp; Anyone who&#039;s played Odamex long enough would have realized these mechanics.&nbsp; I started to test this in my later games of the season.&nbsp; Shooting at someone who literally just passed a corner, and is out of my line of sight were still able to get shot.&nbsp; The blood sprites would aappear in mid air as if the sprite was still there.&nbsp; And as a defender I feel totally at a disadvantage, that&#039;s why I was forced to use a 2D format in nearly all my games this season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9361, 946, 18, 1379610025, 19, 9361, 'Re: Week 4 Gametimes', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.242.178', 1, 0, '', 'Sharpening my razors for the most efficient post-game wrist-slitting.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8078, 777, 25, 1357434027, 213, 8078, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'How did Capo hack Mobius&#039;s account?&nbsp; We need to tighten up security around here.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8649, 855, 17, 1362977962, 214, 8649, 'Re: This is why...', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.26.214', 1, 0, '', ' ::)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7343, 718, 22, 1345564313, 0, 7343, 'Re: WEEK 8 - MAP31 THIRTY4-31 (AUG 20 - AUG 26) - Discussion and Results', 'Soul Sucka', '', '201.22.40.182', 1, 0, '', 'Fuck you BBC, I&#039;m so winning this.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8287, 815, 17, 1360384352, 158, 8287, 'LIMITATION??', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '24.52.247.247', 1, 1360384518, 'Jenova', 'WAAAH BOO HOO WBUILD IS NOT REAL DOOM I ONLY PLAY DOOM ON DOS ON MY OLD 1988 COMPAQ COMPUTER WITH ALL OF THESE NON-DOOM SETTINGS OFF SUCH AS: FREELOOK, CAPTURE THE FLAG, AND PREFERRED WEAPON ORDER WOW WATERMELON THANKS FOR INTRODUCTION 76 BACKDOORS TO WBUILD ESPECIALLY SINCE IT IS NOT VANILLA DOOM URGHHHHHHHHH THIS TOPIC IS MAKING ME SO MAD I AM GOING TO GO LEAVE AND WATCH MY ANIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8690, 851, 29, 1363134251, 214, 8690, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '98.201.70.52', 1, 0, '', 'Brackets updated. Awaiting the results of LB/Strangle and Dragon/Legion', 'xx', 1);
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	(8708, 847, 28, 1363237966, 19, 8708, 'Re: Odamex player movement compared to ZD', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 1363238461, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=847.msg8628#msg8628 date=1362847215]<br />If it&#039;s possible could you share with us as well, I&#039;m also interested in how ZD handles the movement<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oops! Sorry I never got back with you.<br /><br />I remembered I already wrote up a huge post before about this, and it&#039;s on ZD.org, so you can view it there (because im lazy):<br /><br />http://forums.zdaemon.org/viewtopic.php?p=257294&amp;highlight=#257294<br /><br />In hindsight I&#039;m surprised phenex didn&#039;t delete the post after locking the thread.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8912, 882, 30, 1366314567, 3, 8912, 'Re: Post Your Own Discussion Topic!', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.214.154', 1, 0, '', 'Speaking of priv, is it ever played anymore? When was the last time there was an oda priv? The final golden era of priv was like 3-4 seaons ago when it was still on 1.08, if those 5+ hour sessions could somehow be revived then there might be more interest in IDL. This is turning to rambling.<br /><br />Maybe discuss opinions on what makes a good map, what makes a bad map, what makes a map have lasting value, and gauge interest on more mapping competitions, &#039;cause as stale as this game is new content is always somewhat exciting.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9399, 954, 18, 1381206074, 37, 9399, 'Re: IDL Staff Update: Co-Commissioner Named', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '98.243.17.79', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imm.io/1hQ8L.jpeg[/img]<br /><br />Is this who you want running the IDL?<br /><br />--<br />Head over to OblivinoRO instead.&nbsp; That&#039;s OblivionRO.net&nbsp; <br /><br /><br />Sign up today', 'xx', 1);
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	(6136, 593, 20, 1328028641, 163, 6136, 'Re: CORRECT TEAM STATS', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.131.141', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=593.msg6134#msg6134 date=1328014342]<br />[quote]WEEK 4: Whiteboy&#039;s mouse2 breaks in-game, losses sr50 ability; Legion times out during round 2, no flags surrendered/scored as a result. KNF plays their first 3 round game of the season. [/quote]<br />actually I think at least one flag was scored on us, I&#039;m pretty sure that when I timed out we were down by one flag, then when I come back we were down by 2??? I should check out my own demo to confirm<br />[/quote]<br /><br />We didn&#039;t score when you timed out..we almost got scored on because I called a heavy offensive set and it damn near back-fired. As far as the flag count, probably ZDaemon just being ZDaemon. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(9063, 907, 17, 1374610663, 75, 9063, 'Re: QCon Boxing Tournament', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'good luck to all of you going!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4790, 483, 16, 1316706360, 2174, 4800, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.254.95.70', 1, 1317180472, 'Decay`', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/30429262/complexbetaF.wad<br /><br />Edits to Complex beta...<br /><br />-Removed the boxes of rockets in the tunnel of ammo<br />-The lower-wait-raise lifts going out of the base speeds marginally increased<br />-Delay of the fast lowering-gate switch from the bottom increased marginally<br />-Removed the SSG from the top. <br />-Added multiple impassable lines to the stuff in the walls that was causing some people to get caught up on the wall<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(5834, 573, 17, 1325945396, 2194, 5846, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Reverse', 'Kirboy02@hotmail.com', '96.20.133.196', 1, 1326066090, 'Null', 'So basically, TL;DR version, the order would go like this (Not sure but I&#039;ll attempt eh)<br /><br />1. Players in the concerned teams (3&#039;s with an extra player) - 6 to 8 spots taken<br />2. IDL Board - Let&#039;s say 3 or 4<br />3. Server Admins - Let&#039;s say 2 or 3 <br />4. Whom ever joins first - All the other spots left. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6153, 603, 18, 1328209612, 75, 6153, 'IDL-R still not dead after week 1, OMG!', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'Oh yeah, we&#039;re going to do some more rejec- I mean reserve priving!<br /><br />[b]Saturday @ ? PM EST, Total Trash Chicago[/b]<br /><br />This time I&#039;ll try to start the session early and have a bit of revolving door policy, so more people get to play. TT will be the first choice, but we can hop over to PH if there&#039;s a strong Euro crew and whatnot. Everyone&#039;s welcome!<br /><br />[size=1]Just please, mind that &quot;the weaker&quot; should land on teams first, so being a powerhouse captain and whining constantly about wanting to play [i]won&#039;t[/i] get you on a team.[/size]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6371, 622, 17, 1330845347, 7, 6371, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.99.75', 1, 0, '', '&lt;Ladna_&gt; i mean in zdctfmp.wad map01<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; when you turn on realactorheight<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; they&#039;re like little stubs<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; and when you don&#039;t have it on<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; you can&#039;t jump on them<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; (trees)<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; yea i dont know why that is, that is something that only happens in single player<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; and i just found this out<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; but it definitely works online<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; im literally standing on a tree, not stub, right now<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; weird<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; rofl<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; i am a pro tester<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; i think sean fixed this already anyway because of some weird prediction stuff we found out with trees<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; also<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; &quot;stats&quot;<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; stats use zdaemon&#039;s log like<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; odamex outputs the same obits as zdaemon does with the exception of more detailed flag stats (which include times)<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; if they&#039;re the same then it&#039;s fine<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; but they have to like, really be the same<br />&lt;Ralphis_&gt; they are the exact same afaik<br />&lt;Ladna_&gt; yeah then no problem', 'xx', 1);
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	(7344, 718, 22, 1345566345, 15, 7344, 'Re: WEEK 8 - MAP31 THIRTY4-31 (AUG 20 - AUG 26) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '72.53.140.59', 1, 0, '', '8-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(7425, 723, 22, 1346549542, 158, 7427, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '184.175.47.196', 1, 1346550192, 'Jenova', '[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=723.msg7424#msg7424 date=1346548805]<br />It is more about the fact that (especially now that we know he isn&#039;t getting kicked out) some of you guys will decide to remain in the same clan as him. When aca namefaked someone from the ZDaemon community who had recently died, he was kicked out of UD. When you hang around people like that, I&#039;m very sorry but it is almost like you condone their behavior.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No kidding, especially given their previous track record and the fact that this is their teamspeak picture:<br /><br />http://i.imgur.com/nrVb9.png<br /><br />All I can say is that this was a pretty stupid thing to do, and I&#039;m sure that a lot of people will be mad and try to do shit to H because of this.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7662, 731, 22, 1348765952, 7, 7662, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '199.180.105.70', 1, 0, '', 'Cheez-It', 'xx', 1);
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	(7608, 732, 1, 1348541962, 157, 7608, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 0, '', 'oh damn, I remember. you DID beat me one time. I&#039;ll give you credit for that one but I have beaten you countless other times. so its like 10-1 in my favor. o well!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8372, 827, 17, 1360855643, 8, 8372, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '208.54.5.138', 1, 0, '', 'Sorry, let me clarify for you. I would have gladly bitched him out on IRC if he was there. All those people you mentioned stayed on IRC even though they quit, and there was quite a bit of shit going down on each of those days. Does publically shaming someone not count if its not done on the forums? Is there some sort of rulebook on this? The answer is no. So stop trying to take attention away from the real issue.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8193, 801, 25, 1359352196, 214, 8196, 'WEEK 4 - THIRTY1211: Scary Flaggers (JAN 28 - FEB 4) - Discussion and Results', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.23.104', 1, 1359411428, 'Soul Sucka', '[center][size=4][b]Official Servers for Week 4 of IDL Winter 2013[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b]:: IDL CHICAGO ::[/b]<br />[color=#ff0000][International Doom League Week 4 - MAP21 - A][/color]<br />[b]74.91.122.209:14000[/b]<br /><br />[color=#0000ff][International Doom League&nbsp; Week 4 - MAP21 - B][/color]<br />[b]74.91.122.209:14001[/b]<br /><br />[color=#ff0000][International Doom League Week 4 - MAP21 - C]<br />[/color][b]74.91.122.209:14002[/b]<br /><br />[color=#0000ff][International Doom League Week 4 - MAP21 - D][/color]<br />[b]74.91.122.209:14003[/b]<br /><br /><br />=======================================================<br />Sexual Panthers vs Super Chargers<br /><br />We&#039;re All Doomed vs Boxers and Dooming<br /><br />Berserker Packers vs Killing Browns<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys vs Fnordy Niners<br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8650, 855, 17, 1362978331, 19, 8650, 'Re: This is why...', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', 'Sorry you can&#039;t balance your meatspace responsibilities with your digital responsibilities that you knowingly signed up to perform weeks ago.<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/7n5Qn6K.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(5835, 573, 17, 1325951916, 75, 5835, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'concerned teams occupy 6 to 8 spots since 3v3&#039;s are enforced.<br />board members or server admins have no spectating privileges. the former are legislators, not executives, the latter are server maintainers. executive power is exclusive to the commissioner and the board head, so the argument here is whether these two should be considered VIPs.<br />and it&#039;s not whomever joins first - active IDL players on team rosters take precedence over FAs and those in turn get slots over non-IDL spects. i think.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6681, 622, 17, 1334800318, 15, 6681, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 0, '', 'YO<br /><br /><br />Who gives a fuck.<br /><br /><br />ODAFLEX', 'xx', 1);
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	(6154, 603, 18, 1328254614, 0, 6154, 'Re: IDL-R still not dead after week 1, OMG!', 'capodecima', '', '90.179.151.60', 1, 1328258050, 'capodecima', '[move][b]Saturday @ 15 PM EST, Total Trash Chicago[/b]&nbsp; 8)[/move]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6372, 622, 17, 1330849486, 157, 6372, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 1330849823, 'Legion_', 'I know I have probably beaten this to death, but why not try skulltag? it works quite well and lag issues are almost non-existent (in case you live under a rock, skulltag has unlagged now!!! woah). 90 percent of the things needed have been established on skulltag already, and the rest can probably be either modded in, or requested on the forums<br /> <br />I also believe that you can change a few settings and achieve jumping as it functions in zdaemon (it has to do with altering gravity just a smidge, not a lot but just enough so dumb shit like the map26 window jump doesn&#039;t occur)<br /><br />I cant do anything about the &quot;ice skating&quot; because I cant afford to send you guys to a shrink to check out what the hell is wrong with you<br /><br />as much as I see a lot of people badmouthing skulltag I don&#039;t really see them trying it out at all and giving it a fair chance.<br /><br />whatever though. trying to at least encourage people to play st is tiring and im bored of doing it<br /><br />edit: I just saw the last part of ladna&#039;s post and I have to say that this quote<br />[quote]Yeah but you can say that about anything.&nbsp; Guys, let&#039;s use Skulltag for IDL.&nbsp; I know it&#039;s not ready now but ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.[/quote]<br />made me laugh. I guess what we have right now is so much more refined<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7345, 713, 17, 1345590454, 89, 7345, 'Re: The Return of... The IDL Board!', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.180.80', 1, 0, '', 'http://pastebin.ca/raw/2089918<br /><br />Good times.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7428, 723, 22, 1346550199, 8, 7428, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'If you want him to stop, you aren&#039;t going to get anywhere pandering to his bullshit. So either you stand up to it or it&#039;s going to keep happening. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4809, 487, 16, 1317321644, 3, 4809, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2011 ALLSTAR SELECTION', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Did this game ever even happen?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7663, 739, 1, 1348770909, 19, 7663, 'Re: Capo chalenges Legion :D', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ten link=topic=739.msg7660#msg7660 date=1348740064]<br />Naut&#039;s a good player though.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/NEU5c.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7609, 732, 1, 1348581748, 163, 7609, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.128.212', 1, 0, '', 'What a stupid ass thread. Everybody knows Vorp owns everyone. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7808, 758, 25, 1352701167, 10, 7808, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Ralphis<br />Country/State: USA<br />Instant Message Contact: IRC<br />Regular Availability: Versatile', 'xx', 1);
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	(8273, 815, 17, 1360365361, 16, 8273, 'LIMITATION??', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8270#msg8270 date=1360364678]<br />I&#039;m not asking for either. if you would pay attention for a half a second you will notice I&#039;m not requesting the ssg be a sniper rifle. I&#039;m just asking for pellets to actually travel and (try to) hit the intended target. if a pellet will miss because of the random nature of the ssg spread, then so be it. but if it will miss because of the number set in place something around 18 years ago then that is bullshit imo and should be fixed or at least an option given to ignore said behavior<br />[/quote]<br /><br />So you want the chaingun to have more range just to justify another one of your snarky tactics. It&#039;s ok to have snarky tactics, but you can&#039;t be mad when the game doesn&#039;t allow you to use them and ask it to be modified just for you and a few other people&#039;s benefits. <br /><br />I also like how you say to keep zdaemon outta your odamex, then admit that the 2048 limit has been around since Doom&#039;s inception. Which is it, nublet? Maybe Capo did strike a nerve; you&#039;re mad your team sucks and are looking for something to blame.<br /><br />And like Rust said, was this really a problem? Or do you think people complaining about it on ZD alone warranted it being one? I&#039;m sorry you can&#039;t chaingun me from across both armors on Map26 like you can Zandronum. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7931, 769, 25, 1355639146, 8, 8150, 'ALERT: OFFICIAL WINTER 2013 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1358114271, 'MassVC', '[center][b]WEEK 1 - MAP12 THIRTY4-16 (JAN 7 - JAN 13)[/b]<br />--------<br />SXP v WAD<br />BSK v BBC<br />SUC v BAD<br />KGB v KNF<br />--------<br />[b]WEEK 2 -MAP04 ZDCTF04&nbsp; (JAN 14 - JAN 20)[/b]<br />--------<br />SXP v BSK<br />WAD v BBC<br />SUC v KGB<br />BAD v KNF<br />--------<br />[b]WEEK 3 - MAP26 ZDCTF26 (JAN 21 - JAN 27)[/b]<br />--------<br />SXP v BBC<br />WAD v BSK<br />SUC v KNF<br />BAD v KGB<br />--------<br />[b]WEEK 4 - MAP21 THIRTY12-11 (JAN 28 - FEB 3)[/b]<br />--------<br />SXP v SUC<br />WAD v BAD<br />BSK v KGB<br />BBC v KNF<br />--------<br />[b]WEEK 5 - MAP22 THIRTY7-22 (FEB 4 - FEB 10)[/b]<br />--------<br />SXP v BAD<br />WAD v SUC<br />BSK v KNF<br />BBC v KGB<br />--------<br />[b]WEEK 6 - MAP25 IDLCONT2012-03 (FEB 11 - FEB 17)[/b]<br />--------<br />SXP v KGB<br />WAD v KNF<br />BSK v SUC<br />BBC v BAD<br />--------<br />[b]WEEK 7 - MAP03 ZDCTF03 (FEB 18 - FEB 24)[/b]<br />--------<br />SXP v KNF<br />WAD v KGB<br />BSK v BAD<br />BBC v SUC<br /><br />[b]WILDCARD PLAYOFFS - (FEB 25 - MAR 3)[/b]<br />5th Seed @ 4th Seed<br /><br />[b]SEMI-FINALS - (MAR 4 - MAR 10)[/b]<br />4th/5th Seed @ 1st Seed<br />3rd Seed @ 2nd Seed<br /><br />[b]MASTERBOWL XIII - MAP06 SMARTCTF01 (MAR 11 - MAR17)[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(9400, 953, 31, 1381206392, 37, 9400, 'Re: hi', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '98.243.17.79', 1, 0, '', '[b]rolf[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8913, 881, 3, 1366314760, 3, 8913, 'Re: What doom is and what doom isn''t', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.214.154', 1, 0, '', 'Doom is intense focus that results in either anger, contentedness, or boredom.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4812, 505, 20, 1317353496, 163, 4812, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'Josh your initial post was not incorrect. We should be a bit more involved. Look at how often nobody responded to weekly predictions - that&#039;s somewhat disheartening. But, the truth is, it always feels like going from summer-to-winter season gives you more time off and you&#039;re less &quot;doomed out,&quot; so on those grounds alone people will probably be more active.<br /><br /> I&#039;m definitely interested in coming back but as I posted above, it just depends on those things. The other thing is, we need to find more than just 2-3 people who can run stats. People can&#039;t upload until stats are done and the longer it takes, the more likely people are to forget. But demo enforcement needs to be way better this season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6684, 622, 17, 1334857034, 75, 6684, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'i&#039;m all for moving idl to oda. AFTER the upcoming season. i&#039;m sure there&#039;s been a ton of work done on the soon-to-arrive 0.6, but let&#039;s not kid ourselves, only full workload will reveal god knows what bugs still lurking in the code. let&#039;s shift to oda privs during the long summer offseason so there&#039;s enough time for settling in.<br /><br />EDIT: mobius is dement.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4883, 504, 17, 1317863198, 4, 4883, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '68.62.40.254', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4880#msg4880 date=1317849177]<br />Hi Tenchu,<br /><br />I have to say, I&#039;m not sure with what amount of politeness I ought to address you since in some cases you seem fairly polite and intelligible (like here), and in others you seem like kind of a moron and an asshole (see: http://www.altdeath.com/fluxbb/viewtopic.php?pid=2499#p2499).&nbsp; Plus, you have that poor history with the IDL.&nbsp; That said, the administration&#039;s consensus is that you should feel free to come join us in some games of priv, and if it looks like you&#039;re just trying to have fun and not fuck with the IDL because you&#039;re bored, then maybe we&#039;ll throw an invite your way.&nbsp; Not a captain invite, of course, but a player invite for some captain to draft you at his own risk.&nbsp; See you in priv! ;D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well I mean you can judge me on that Altdeath crap if you want too, I just haven&#039;t taken Skulltag seriously in a very long time, as most people here haven&#039;t/don&#039;t.<br /><br />However IDL is something I&#039;m genuinely interested in so of course I&#039;m going to show the respect IDL deserves and post intelligently. And I don&#039;t remember you from back when I played in the IDL, did you go by another name? Really, I don&#039;t consider to have a bad history here, sure my last team did bad record-wise, but as I said, that was well over three years ago when I was just graduating high school. I don&#039;t have a history of not showing up for games or being uncooperative, I&#039;d like to think I have a credible history here and not be seen as a &quot;risk&quot; to potential captains. But hey, in either case that&#039;s well in the past now and I just want to play some competitive Doom. Also I have no plans to be a captain this season anyway (assuming I priv enough to decide to signup).<br /><br />Thanks for the warm welcome back, though.&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4886, 504, 17, 1317876310, 163, 4886, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote=&quot;Mobius&quot;]<br />That shit won&#039;t work because I know it won&#039;t from experience. I was in IDLR, and I was just lucky enough to get Mikehail whom was half-ass willing to do set up games. You want to help lesser players like me? Make a fuckin` tutorship program or some whatever where you groom one player that you like or think is worth a damn, and don&#039;t make it a program so there is no strict rules: I mean, go out of your way and help someone out instead of them learning from random duels or random/lucky picks in priv.[/quote]<br /><br />I picked you because you&#039;re reliable and show up. Was I mistaken in how good I thought you were? Yes. Was I mistaken when I thought you could have gotten better? No. You definitely got better at the end of the season. And I still think you could improve more if you&#039;re willing to play more and enter the draft but based on what you&#039;ve said, it appears as though you&#039;re not. It&#039;s rather disappointing actually. But, if you&#039;re referring to me about random duels/lucky priv picks, the only thing I can say that some sort of gameplay is better than none. At least in duel, you can practice aiming/moving as opposed to sitting around and doing nothing. We practiced our asses off and it helped you a ton. <br /><br />Priv is tough, I don&#039;t dispute that and something should at least try to be enforced to get people who actually want to improve an opportunity to play. <br /><br />If you&#039;re mad about the references I made to being stuck in a rock and a hard place between drafting you or noob/coll, I don&#039;t know what to tell you. You aren&#039;t as skilled as them but you&#039;re more reliable. Anyway, that&#039;s all I can really say. I still think the world of you as a teammate because you showed up for every practice/game without question and made it a priority to be around. I really do hope you start playing again to improve and give the IDL another shot. This season could be much better for you. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(5836, 573, 17, 1325962870, 19, 5836, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.113.34', 1, 0, '', 'You&#039;d figure it would go without saying that casters would have importance above spectators. All I&#039;ve heard in response to this was that it&#039;s not in the rules nor was majik&#039;s cast worth anything. People tend to forget the principle and common sense.<br /><br />[quote author=higgs link=topic=573.msg5833#msg5833 date=1325934264]<br />I didn&#039;t read much of this thread but I&#039;m toying around with the idea of streaming some stuff once my new rig is operational. I have to give my new PC a purpose after all, who buys a quad core to play 20 year old games? :)<br /><br />I&#039;ve never done it before, but I know lots who have. Just a matter of reading up on it and asking them how to go about it the best way. It&#039;ll give me something to do at night when everyone&#039;s asleep &gt;:|<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You might want to talk to Killingblair, he had a pretty good setup for casting but he dropped it eventually. He would be able to point you in the right direction.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8590, 852, 18, 1362109717, 8, 8590, 'Wildcard Playoffs Gametime', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'The first playoff match of the Winter 2013 Season will kick off this Sunday with KGB facing off against a BSK team that nobody wants to play in the playoffs. Fresh off it&#039;s 3rd straight win, BSK is trying to ride that momentum to make a deep run this season. With Map03 in the mix, you just never know what could happen.<br /><br />KGB vs BSK: Sunday @ 6:30PM EST', 'xx', 1);
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	(9362, 944, 31, 1379610715, 213, 9362, 'Re: congrats on kgb''s win', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '67.186.28.70', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Zakken link=topic=944.msg9359#msg9359 date=1379557196]<br />While I can&#039;t say I&#039;m in complete approval of Legion&#039;s video complaints, they are very amusing. Thanks for the entertainment, Legion. :P<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s very interesting Zakken, but what&#039;s your take on the Syria situation?<br /><br />My feelings are :P.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6373, 619, 20, 1330877505, 130, 6373, 'Re: yo yo', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '71.46.99.75', 1, 0, '', 'Sorry about the radio silence. This week was midterms and I sort of tuned Doom out. I saw this post when it was first posted and I basically just dismissed it as Rust being a pot stirrer. Blair&#039;s post was pretty interesting though and I&#039;d like to respond to a few posts without responding to every point specifically as that would just take too long.<br /><br />[u]Rust&#039;s first post:[/u] You&#039;re hostile and seemingly wound up about things that have been commonplace in IDL for a long long time. If you want to help then my all means do so. I agree there are a slew of problems in IDL. Please help us come up with viable solutions.<br /><br />[u]Blair&#039;s post:[/u] I agree with your characterization of the board&#039;s attitude but I think you&#039;re way off base about the actions of the constituting members. Maps being a subjective topic I&#039;ll just say I disagree with you and while I don&#039;t remember voting on the maps for the schedule I would have done so because I think Bones did a really good job with this season&#039;s maps. The wad was a mess and Ralph being disgruntled with our decisions (or lack of) made things worse. Mass volunteered to do a wad the board voted on, and he may have overlooked some things. Ralph put us in a tough spot at the beginning of the season by refusing to compile a wad the board voted on after agreeing to do so previously. I actually think Mass deserves a bit of credit for bailing us out of that rather than heaping on a chorus of &quot;you didn&#039;t do it right&quot;. That is just my opinion though.<br /><br />[u]Dewww&#039;s post:[/u] While I realize that Rust and to some degree Blair are impugning your honor it&#039;s seriously not helpful to go on like you did. I may be the kettle but I know what black is.<br /><br />[u]Prime&#039;s post:[/u] Bones is as much (more) to blame for both the good and bad things in the past 2 seasons. Not only is he an integral part of making IDL run he&#039;s also the one who put together 3/5ths of the board. And by that logic if you believe the past 2 seasons have been worse than the previous 9 then much blame goes to Ralphis as well for putting someone in charge who, by the previous logic, was not equipped for the job at hand. Say what you want about the board but we worked pretty hard this last season. Just because the result isn&#039;t being looked upon very well doesn&#039;t mean we didn&#039;t put a lot of energy and effort into our attempts. I am continually surprised by the level of rancor that people who contribute to IDL are met with.<br /><br />[u]Chain&#039;s post:[/u] I think you make a bunch of really good points. One that I&#039;d highlight is #4. I also think you made a couple of uninformed points. I&#039;ve already talked to you about most of it.<br /><br />[u]Rust&#039;s continued post about the board being responsible for killing Jesus and the Holocaust:[/u] Your issue is that the board doesn&#039;t listen to the player base? We pushed team names in because of a poll where enough players voiced their support. We removed a map (old map24) called Libraries because it saw widespread criticism. We talked about pretty much all of our preseason decisions with not only #idl but also on the forums. There are threads outlining almost every change we made to the draft. On top of all of that, when TT was having problems early in the season, I spent both my time and my money moving it. It&#039;s astounding to me that you think we don&#039;t listen. If what you mean is that we don&#039;t always obey then you&#039;re right. And if by chance you forgot the members of the IDL administration play in IDL too (ok Miek doesn&#039;t). If you want a scapegoat I guess you can use the administration but at this point your scapegoat runs all the stats, does the scheduling and spends time and money on the league. Help us instead of pointing out the myriad of flaws and sitting idly by on TS bellyaching about the bourgeois.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7346, 718, 22, 1345599172, 216, 7346, 'Re: WEEK 8 - MAP31 THIRTY4-31 (AUG 20 - AUG 26) - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.52.24', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Soul Sucka link=topic=718.msg7343#msg7343 date=1345564313]<br />Fuck you BBC, I&#039;m so winning this.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m sorry you feel that way. Nonetheless, Good luck in the first round of the playoffs!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7664, 740, 17, 1348775185, 19, 7664, 'Re: Herp Derp', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 1348775591, 'Xenaero', 'Well, that&#039;s all nothing new to me. Kind of interesting to see other top defenders experiencing it, though. You&#039;ll adjust. There&#039;s really nothing else you can do, haha!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8081, 786, 17, 1357536100, 214, 8081, 'Real talk.', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.31.190', 1, 0, '', 'Why the fuck are there two channels? This is getting ridiculous..', 'xx', 1);
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	(6155, 603, 18, 1328278631, 0, 6155, 'Re: IDL-R still not dead after week 1, OMG!', 'Soul Sucka', '', '189.114.185.75', 1, 0, '', '15 PM... Another mythical time has been unveiled.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5837, 573, 17, 1325988812, 4, 5837, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '98.250.101.180', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=573.msg5835#msg5835 date=1325951916]active IDL players on team rosters take precedence over FAs[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t see why players on a team should have more of a right to be in a server than free agents, they&#039;re both active members of the league. Just because a player didn&#039;t get drafted onto a team doesn&#039;t make them a less important spectator compared to a player on team (that isn&#039;t playing) who&#039;s just there to watch. All active IDL players who aren&#039;t playing in the game should have equal opportunity to watch the game, hence the first-come first-serve system.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7349, 713, 17, 1345617310, 19, 7349, 'Re: The Return of... The IDL Board!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'Charles come back to bed.', 'xx', 1);
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	(533, 60, 7, 1231813995, 0, 533, 'Re: IDDL Official Trading Thread', 'Fastidious', '', '99.141.228.105', 1, 0, '', 'If you are too good for the IDDL then you should want to play in it, obviously.&nbsp; You&#039;d tear shit up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6139, 601, 1, 1328039228, 216, 6139, 'Re: Velocity CTF', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '130.63.213.202', 1, 1328040844, 'ThatsJustPrime', 'Hey decay! Some of these maps were really fun to play! <br /><br />My personal fav&#039;s were the one that Shane made with the outside lava area (I think it is swap meet not sure), the third screen shot there, and the fifth screen shot there (maybe you should label the screenshots so people will know which maps are which). <br /><br />Generic white was definitely interesting, but it needs to be tweaked a bit (i&#039;ve already told you my suggestions). It was particularly interesting because you don&#039;t start with an SSG like in generic gray, which makes it a tad less fraggy. <br /><br />I look forward to further testing! ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6156, 603, 18, 1328288946, 163, 6156, 'Re: IDL-R still not dead after week 1, OMG!', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.18.45.142', 1, 0, '', 'Damn, SoulSucka beat me to it. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6374, 622, 17, 1330882906, 267, 6374, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.225.58.232', 1, 0, '', 'I really dont support the idea of moving idl to oda but i&#039;d rather play in oda than have to play in st wiht its dumb &quot;ice skating&quot; movement,yes st unlagged its awesome but thats about it, zd still better than st in many ways specially zd 1.09 regardless of the weird and crappy ssg damage zd has lot of cool stuff like the radar,voice chat,customize crosshair feature etc that is really helpful at ctf plus the unlagged it aint that bad since i&#039;ve been playing with 160ms lately and it feels like playing with 100.i dont know what all this discussion is about, zd is fine and it stills better than oda idl just need to find decent servers plus im pretty sure moving idl to oda is never going to happen and if it does w/e overcome and adapt instead of whine&nbsp; ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4815, 505, 20, 1317356621, 15, 4815, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '184.144.174.154', 1, 0, '', '[list]<br />[li]Shorter season, people are still losing interest towards the end. Also maybe more than 2 seasons per year?&nbsp; The big hype of this league imo, is the draft.&nbsp; Just look at the forums, see how many people are involved with team predictions at the beginning vs. the end of the season, it&#039;s nuts.[/li]<br />[li]Less teams, depends on player base.&nbsp; [/li]<br />[li]Some sort of assurance that rules will be enforced, no matter who breaks them.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6682, 622, 17, 1334806617, 16, 6682, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mobius link=topic=622.msg6680#msg6680 date=1334764034]<br />[quote author=Ten link=topic=622.msg6671#msg6671 date=1334534517]<br />Aw Mobius is butthurt that the once-nobody Brazilian that he took in under his wing has surpassed him. You should be proud of Soul! And if anything I&#039;d be more surprised about the inclusion of X-Ray. While he&#039;s most definitely a skilled player, I don&#039;t see how he&#039;s very influential or notable in the community politics/activities, he doesn&#039;t really voice much of an opinion on stuff like this. Then again maybe skill is all it takes. *shrugs*<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oh look who decides to crawl out of the hole to respond to me. Let me enlighten your stupid ass in a few things you got wrong here:<br /><br />First. I know Soul better than anyone here minus maybe Infer. I talk to him regularly outside of the Doom community and consider him a friend of mine. Why in the hell would I be even remotely upset that he has &#039;surpassed,&#039; me? I am not as petty as you are Mr. OHIHAVETOPOSTWHYICHEATTOGETBANNEDBECAUSEMYLIFESUCKSANDIWANTATTENTION.<br /><br />Speaking of surpass, what has he surpassed me in? I still beat him in duels and CTF on his own native port very recently. Soul may out manuerver or gun me, but he&#039;s no where NEAR as smart as I am and surprisingly that manages ALONE to compensate. There&#039;s a reason we call him, &quot;Tai Jr,&quot; when he was in A3 but I suppose you&#039;re still stuck in 2010 and don&#039;t know any better.<br /><br />The reason I even questioned Ralphis was because he mentioned actual notable players and lumped Soul in with them. I am sure Ralphis means well but I feel that he&#039;s only doing it because of the whole Odamex circle-jerk they seem to have going. Under my wing? I still help Soul any chance I get but not through some dumb apprentice-shit your melodramatic ass is describing. I actually talk with him and do what I can to aid him because I genuinely like Alan and care about him. My only gripe was that it&#039;s too soon for him to get a swollen head AGAIN and then he gets into a hyper crash of depression when he doesn&#039;t live up to his own expectations.<br /><br />But you wouldn&#039;t know any of this because you&#039;re stupid as fuck and a cheater. You&#039;re also a very bad player.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You bumped this topic for this? AND you compare him to me? You can leave now.&nbsp; ::)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7347, 716, 17, 1345600760, 158, 7347, 'Re: SECOND SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '184.175.47.196', 1, 0, '', 'This is absurd. No FLAC? How are we going to top the previous 80MB record?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7430, 716, 17, 1346551281, 2311, 7430, 'Re: SECOND SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'FrankTheTank', 'frankdt1234@gmail.com', '65.78.62.158', 1, 0, '', 'Oh,&nbsp; sorry.&nbsp; Thought you were bringing up something else.&nbsp; Sorry about that.&nbsp; And the maps aren&#039;t in another mappack.&nbsp; The pack these were for died about 2-3 months ago and we didn&#039;t want the maps to go to waste.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7665, 740, 17, 1348781539, 8, 7665, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'I hope you don&#039;t mind me renaming this thread Stall. Sean had planned to make a similar thread asking for feedback, and this just seems like a more suited name.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7611, 732, 1, 1348590143, 75, 7611, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'legion, you&#039;re a dog dick. i gave you a pity rematch after winning two MAC matches in a row (you and nautilus), i couldn&#039;t care less about those games, especially on maps i avoid because of their low quality. you even believed you won boo because of your skills, not because oda is currently nigh-unplayable on projectile-heavy maps (no projectile prediction vs. &quot;perfect&quot; compensation of hitscans).<br /><br />also you&#039;re desperately trying to validate yourself by playing europeans on american servers. and you&#039;re still not winning!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8374, 827, 17, 1360860606, 2174, 8374, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.243.48.212', 1, 0, '', 'Well, explains his absence. At least I don&#039;t have to hear inhuman sounds on ts anymore!<br /><br />Jokes aside, this is very sudden and unexpected. It would&#039;ve been nice for him to at least let us know his intentions. I&#039;m not mad at him though.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8591, 852, 18, 1362109931, 16, 8591, 'Re: Wildcard Playoffs Gametime', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', 'I must be nobody ', 'xx', 1);
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	(5838, 573, 17, 1325990614, 89, 5838, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.241.23.122', 1, 0, '', 'The reason players on a team have more rights than FA is because they&#039;re actually on a team, and in case one of the team members time out, then their 4th can fill in. There is also if a team wants to switch their members around for the following matchs, they can without having to organize their team in 15 seconds (ie telling a spectator to leave and having their 4h join). It causes a lot of&nbsp; confusion and it&#039;s just better to have all of your members present&nbsp; before the games start.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4822, 505, 20, 1317403010, 15, 4822, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '68.171.231.80', 1, 0, '', 'Also saber, how was I a dumb captain?&nbsp; Going to conf finals, and losing to the mb winning team. Which was an even a closer game than the finals were.&nbsp; Most, if not all, of my decisions involving odd position placement was due to my fucked up net that season.&nbsp; I think I did fairly well for my first season as a captain given the lag issues me and xen were plagued with.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6140, 593, 20, 1328048722, 214, 6140, 'Re: CORRECT TEAM STATS', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.180.52', 1, 0, '', 'Hurry up and update my team&#039;s stats!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4819, 505, 20, 1317388942, 0, 4819, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Fastidious', '', '75.63.61.173', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=505.msg4806#msg4806 date=1317269886]I&#039;m tired of hearing people whine and bitch and say it&#039;s 100% a captains fault if they take a player who tends to do that [be inactive sometimes and for certain people]<br /><br />Instead of trading that player away for no-showing, he should have the right to [b]deactivate that player with The Commissioner&#039;s approval for the entire season[/b]. Naturally this would be handled case-by-case.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I actually strongly agree with this.&nbsp; Call is the JKist clause or something.&nbsp; It has happened many seasons where player X doesn&#039;t care to be on team Y and is like &quot;meh&quot; then he gets traded and is a totally different active player.&nbsp; It&#039;s quite lame.&nbsp; If people can&#039;t be mature enough to give a decent effort for any team, don&#039;t sign up.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying you have to give even 100% for a team you don&#039;t like but you should do good enough such as practicing a little and always showing up for any match you can.&nbsp;  JKist would duel instead of practice on SPE and we caught him aliasing to practice with SUC when we wanted him to practice with us.&nbsp;  ::)<br /><br />And OMG please tell me the new IDL site has columns since&nbsp; Altdeath will never add them.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6157, 570, 20, 1328382103, 8, 6158, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1328383938, 'HumanBones', '[b]Philanthropic Blowhards[/b]<br />MadV - First infraction in Week 5. Powerplay in effect for Week 6 vs RRS.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4884, 505, 20, 1317873559, 163, 4884, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 1317874065, 'Hatred', 'I pretty much agree with everything Ralph said there. The one thing I&#039;d like to echo once again, is that I don&#039;t think anything of the IDL rules need to change. Of course I believe there should be additional context to some of them as well as the addition of the rule I previously posted. Whether or not that takes place this season is fine, I just want it thrown out there for discussion. Ralph really couldn&#039;t have said it better, the rules don&#039;t need to be fixed, they simply need to be enforced.<br /><br />Which does bring up the trading problems of last season (and quite frankly, just about every season has seen a questionable trade). Last season&#039;s trade from EBL/SPE involving Saber/Noob is worth discussing but not on the grounds of how to &quot;define a trade.&quot; I&#039;ve already said it&#039;s pretty simple what a trade is, I&#039;m merely looking to add something more to the rules, perhaps. As it currently states, a trade is only allowed once a week. The unwritten rule of 3 trades per season was seemingly thrown out so we won&#039;t touch on that. I&#039;ll make a short proposal on trading that, by all accounts won&#039;t improve or degrade the value/usage of trades, but just give people more opportunities. Here&#039;s what I propose:<br /><br /><br />[list][li]5 Trades per season between teams.[/li][/list]<br /><br />This is probably a bit odd based on what I&#039;ve said but I believe at some point, the Commissioner probably shouldn&#039;t be hassled to approve trades constantly. 5 Trades between teams is more than reasonable because this doesn&#039;t include FA swapping. The benefit to this is that it does put a cap on how many times people can trade so teams aren&#039;t constantly swapping back and forth (not that they are now) and as I said, gives Bones&#039; a limited amount of trades to approve.<br /><br />[list][li]Unlimited FA Trades[/li][/list]<br /><br />I do think this can be a hassle for The Commissioner but things do happen and people sometimes need to pull a guy from FA just to get a match played or simply to find a reliable 4th to help with practices, games etc. I don&#039;t want to see this capped as you never know how many problems a team may encounter when it comes to swapping players on and off their roster. Plus it&#039;s generally used to find a 4th, so I don&#039;t see anybody really abusing this rule much.<br /><br />[list][li]One trade per week except for the trade-deadline week; multiple transactions can take place from FA as well as team-to-team depending on how many trades a team has used[/li][/list]<br /><br />This is where I backed off of a previous stance of trading being free market pretty much. I do think 1 trade per week is reasonable but I do understand that at the end of the trade deadline, team&#039;s might have more of a sense of urgency to get deals done and thus, they might be more likely to make just more than one trade. This gives them the ability to trade as much as possible given the number of trades they have left to best complete their roster as much as possible. The main reason I&#039;ve gone back to only allowing one trade per week aside from the deadline week is because, once again, nothing is stopping teams from hassling The Commissioner to approve trades as many times as possible per week. He&#039;s already busy enough as it is with scheduling/availabilities probably as well as his own team amongst other things. <br /><br />[list][li]Trading of Draft Picks Alone plus other assets[/li][/list]<br /><br />This is vague but I think the draft pick part speaks for itself. I simply am proposing the idea of swapping draft picks for the protection of being taken advantage of. As it stands, there&#039;s nothing regulating rules about drafting for another captain then swapping the players. What If I get the #1 overall pick, pick for the guy who has 11# and 12# and realize &quot;hey I just drafted Chewy and there&#039;s still going to be plenty of depth left for my 3rd pick, why trade him that?&quot; and pick for his 11#, 12# picks anyway. I could totally screw him and while they&#039;d probably still be good picks at those positions, there&#039;s no guarantee that he&#039;d want them. There&#039;s simply no regulation for this and that&#039;s really my concern. It&#039;s open to abuse and thankfully it hasn&#039;t happened yet (or at least to the best of my knowledge). It&#039;s straight forward though, I give you #1 and 24# for #11 and #12 and so forth. <br /><br />As far as assets go: this is something I remember Ralph actually bringing up prior to the start of the season. He was on SUC the previous season and lost in the MB. He had the 2nd overall pick for homefield and proposed trading it as an extra bonus to sweeten a deal for moving up or down the draft as he pleased. Once again, there&#039;s no rules for/against that and it should probably be stated somewhere. As far as I know, there&#039;s no other real asset you could trade - it&#039;s not like I could trade you my 15ms ping for your 50ms ping (although prior to having children, I may have considered allowing you to move in for your 1st pick :p). But this requires some more discussion and detail so we&#039;ll see. But I still stand by the draft-position swapping being added in, as there&#039;s really not much to discuss.<br /><br />This is my proposal. Of course all of this is theoretical at this point and most likely needs more discussion to be fine-proofed. I&#039;m hoping people (board and non-board members alike) give some feedback on this. This way, we can avoid confusion in the future about trades and have a completely regulated, hard-written system for it so that it&#039;s not abused. It&#039;s probably for the best.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4887, 513, 20, 1317883832, 130, 4887, 'Re: Jenova''s Grievances', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />Get rid of Nostar and I&#039;ll sign up.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Now I&#039;m curious. Do you mean get rid of like whack? Do you mean remove from the IDL Board? Do you mean stop using servers that I run for IDL or the site that I maintain for IDL? I&#039;m curious what you mean by &quot;get rid of&quot;. Can I no longer play in IDL?<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />[list]<br />[li]He can pull shit off like spying on our practice games,[/li]<br />[li]Not submit demos[/li]<br />[li]tell his friends on my team to throw a game[/li]<br />[/list][/quote]<br /><br />Spying on practice isn&#039;t illegal under any rules. Don&#039;t get me wrong it&#039;s unsportsmanlike but it&#039;s not illegal. Believe me when you look up ethical or sportsmanship my picture is no where to be found. I&#039;m also excessively unapologetic. If you&#039;ll remember I lost that game. Karma eh?<br /><br />I have been lax on demo submission, and because of your polite and congenial reminder I might upload some of them. I get lazy during playoffs. You should check some stats on playoffs demo submission though. It&#039;s not a nostar-centric problem. It&#039;s a playoff time problem because the penalties don&#039;t carry from season to season (afaik).<br /><br />And I didn&#039;t tell anyone to throw a game. How conceited are you? I lost or tied every priv game that night and the one before. I wasn&#039;t upset about it, I was playing a team with chow and junior instead of going to bed when you started ranting like a little girl. Also mass totally missed the first gun in that video. And at the end, when he was (CLEARLY) going to pickup a gun, he was killed. I watched the demo, he didn&#039;t throw it. He just had a bad priv.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />His response is: &quot;we&#039;ll they&#039;re my servers, I can do whatever I want with them&quot;, <br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is not only true, it&#039;s also widely accepted as what people are allowed to do with their stuff. And I&#039;m not kidding when I say I&#039;m one of the most magnanimous server admins Doom has ever seen, at least with this level of involvement. Run some chicago servers and lobby the board. Put some of that Ragnarok $ to work. Most of them hate TT anyway. Remember the IDL runs on a dedicated server and has very specific settings. And you need to remember to change maps over or give rcon to some people you trust (not mikehail). I&#039;d be willing to guess that if you started hosting servers for IDL things would start to flourish and activity would skyrocket. I&#039;d probably have to give up doom and take up my old hobby; serial killing infants.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />In fact, me and stallion (+ a couple of others) have decided not to play this upcoming season because of the aforementioned reasons. [/quote]<br /><br />That is petty and cowardly. I&#039;m glad to know that instead of doing anything you&#039;re going to fade into the background like the Canadian pussies that you are. See you when I win my 5th Masterbowl you pissant milk-bag suckling communist hoebag.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />Now I bet Nostar is pretty happy to see this, and honestly that&#039;s pretty upsetting because last season was not the greatest (hint: the teams [b]sucked[/b]).[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;d prefer you signup. And your little dog too.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />IDL isn&#039;t really a league as much as it is a playpen for Nostar, and the current board can&#039;t do anything about it because:<br /><br />1) You have his entire friends list on the board<br />2) The people on the board that are against him apparently don&#039;t give enough of a shit to bring this up.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oh man, I am EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLL!<br />Also no one on the board ever does anything I say. It&#039;s an exercise in futility even talking in the channel. On top of that, I&#039;ve was far more influential in IDL before I was on the board, an before mike was on the board, or Mass was on the board or Bone was the commish. If you&#039;re going to waive the conspiracy flag at least consult with dewww and get your facts straight. <br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />In fact, during season 8, I was banned from IDL D because Nostar didn&#039;t like me. Normally, this wouldn&#039;t be a problem, except that IDL C was occupied, and A/B were different maps. What does this mean? It means I couldn&#039;t practice because of this idiot.[/quote]<br /><br />I have banned people from IDL servers before. Last season I banned Bloodstrike from one for trolling my practice. I forget why I banned you and to be perfectly honest it might have just been because I don&#039;t like you. That is a risk you take when you maintain a persona that is so abrasive that people can&#039;t suffer your presence. Also there are usually OTHER admins around to keep things like this in check. For instance Mass was banned from priv by mike for some reason. He asked me to remedy, I did. Capo was banned from priv by (everyone). He asked me (a lot), I unbanned. You know who has never been banned from priv. Chaindude. He&#039;s a good player with a fairly in-your-face persona. He&#039;s also likable and not a douchebag. Also Rottking, a pretty foul mouthed guy. Bans are a risk you take when you&#039;re a douche to a server admin. Speak the truth to power I guess. I always found it&#039;s easier to lie to them.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />MassVC threw the game (prob. because Star told him to). Here&#039;s a demo if you want to check it out: http://www.mediafire.com/?lvu27mhp99o2330. I told Nostar about it, and his response was &quot;stop crying.&quot;[/quote]<br /><br />So what I&#039;m getting is you&#039;re citing fairness as a steadfast rule of priv. People should always do what they&#039;re supposed to in priv. They shouldn&#039;t alias in IDL practices or games and they should always play the way they&#039;re supposed to. Okay fair, but let&#039;s ask ourselves who aliased as Killforce to watch and IDL game last season, and who did it several times since then in priv. I&#039;m a server admin you idiot. Oh and last season you crashed my MB practice to take someone to practice for BBC. That was cool as fuck. I&#039;m really pleased fairness is your mantra. <br /><br />[quote author=Jenova (is gay) link=topic=505.msg4873#msg4873 date=1317794797]<br />You have an asshole immature admin running your league, yet you have the balls to call Kilgore out for stupid bans. Congrats IDL!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I know I&#039;m great and awe-inspiring but I really don&#039;t run IDL. I help in any way I can to make IDL better. I recruit people, I host servers, I run stats, I do aliases, I play and captain, I help practice, I start privs, I run one of the few active doom clans, I give my time and my effort and my money to IDL and I get trolls like you telling me I&#039;m a bad person for occasionally being unfair. Life is unfair you little kid. Stop whining about it and play, or go smuggle gold in an MMORPG with DUI.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4892, 505, 20, 1317910366, 147, 4892, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Gilgamesh link=topic=505.msg4853#msg4853 date=1317662969]Strangle&#039;s poor drafting in season 10, ended up sending Gyross to DMR (Masterbowl win)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s not like we traded him capo or something, he got Collision, who he went to the playoffs with last season.&nbsp; Also a lot of people would argue we would&#039;ve won the MB with Coll anyway (even though Gyross was probably our MVP)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6683, 622, 17, 1334810507, 267, 6683, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.225.63.181', 1, 0, '', 'hey faggots this is about moving idl to oda not your st drama blah blah i beat u all now go away also rofl at &quot;tai jr&quot;', 'xx', 1);
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	(7348, 713, 17, 1345605348, 7, 7348, 'Re: The Return of... The IDL Board!', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '199.180.105.115', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s obvious I was the best board head.&nbsp; The only person that would&#039;ve been better is JKist3.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7666, 740, 17, 1348784429, 157, 7666, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 0, '', 'love these threads. this one can definitely be useful for the less tangible &quot;feeling&quot; parts of odamex. the only thing I can urge everyone is to turn on autodemoing and demo all their games so they can catch any inconsistencies. I just wish that the useless &quot;omfg oda sucks&quot; camp can just stop existing or start providing useful feedback.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7612, 732, 1, 1348604645, 157, 7612, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 0, '', 'I enjoy the glorified &quot;I didn&#039;t try/care&quot; excuses. keep them coming', 'xx', 1);
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	(7932, 770, 18, 1355640116, 8, 7932, 'Winter 2013 Schedule + Captain + Draft Order Releases', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Yes, we have been busy this weekend rolling out all the new stuff for the upcoming season and BOY I sure am glad we can make news posts. In the past day or so, I&#039;ve put out the list of captains for Winter 2013, their draft picking order (which is still being decided), and the Winter 2013 schedule. You can view this information by clicking in the appropriate spot:<br /><br />[url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=766.0]Winter 2013 Captains[/url]<br /><br />[url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=768.0]Draft Picking Order[/url]<br /><br />[url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=769.0]Winter 2013 Map Schedule[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8194, 801, 25, 1359353575, 214, 8194, 'Re: WEEK 4 - THIRTY1211: Scary Flaggers (JAN 28 - FEB 4) - Discussion and Results', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.23.104', 1, 0, '', '[b]Sexual Panthers vs Super Chargers[/b]<br />[i]SXP: Humanbones, Devastion, Hex vs. SUC: Ralphis, Turska, Nautilus[/i]<br /><br />i think hb will lock down base while turska rampage mid. ralphis porky fingers cause will&nbsp; flags to leak in 3 mins. devastatino will duel nautilus in rap battle.<br /><br />SXP 2-1<br /><br /><br />[b]We&#039;re All Doomed vs Boxers and Dooming[/b]<br />[i]WAD: Shame, Ru5tking, AssVC vs. BAD: Legay, dew, Mexico[/i]<br /><br />dumb map this week is good for dumb fragger team wad. legion will lag and play like stulltag idiot and dew will run around map for 10 minutes and score 0 flags. shane will choke and rust will saver team.<br /><br />WAD 2-0<br /><br /><br />[b]Berserker Packers vs Killing Browns[/b]<br />[i]BSK: Soulsucka, Fluffles, Dragon vs. Tai, Lordbritish, Capo[/i]<br /><br />soul will cry and quit like small child and leave idl forever<br /><br />KGB: 2-0<br /><br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Fnordy Niners[/b]<br />[i]BBC: Roak, Joshsmith, Bojanman vs. KNF: Struggle, Prime, spider[/i]<br /><br />varian and josh still rusty but will be touch defense with bojan running vs strangle and prime who dominate base. spider play 10 years and still worser like ghostleydeath. it will be tie game<br /><br />Tie', 'xx', 1);
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	(5839, 573, 17, 1325991337, 75, 5839, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'ten, you might be right about that, actually.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6141, 569, 20, 1328058149, 214, 6141, 'Re: Winter 2012 Team Pics', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.180.52', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://209.85.48.8/1243/51/upload/p2104738.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6158, 599, 20, 1328382777, 19, 6158, 'Re: Week 5 (JAN 30 - FEB 5) : ZDCTF08 (MAP08) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.117.115', 1, 0, '', 'im sucking so much shit this season', 'xx', 1);
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	(4823, 504, 17, 1317403200, 0, 4823, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Fastidious', '', '75.63.61.173', 1, 0, '', 'Except when you don&#039;t play a full season?&nbsp;  ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(6376, 622, 17, 1330884752, 157, 6376, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', '&quot;ice skating&quot; is hilarious. so is the weaker ssg excuse. get better', 'xx', 1);
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	(4826, 504, 17, 1317417305, 214, 4826, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.187.78', 1, 0, '', 'Sucking dick for crack doesn&#039;t qualify as work.<br /><br /><br />People who don&#039;t sign up aren&#039;t afraid of losing or anything petty like that. Stuff happens irl ya know.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4825, 504, 17, 1317414973, 157, 4825, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.61', 1, 1317415361, 'Legion_', 'not that I mind the bum/unemployed jokes but did you actually take the time to read the 2 sentences in that post<br /><br />I will be working when next season of idl starts and I will have plenty of time to dedicate to a season of idl', 'xx', 1);
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	(7613, 732, 1, 1348605898, 75, 7613, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'this is so staggeringly ignorant i actually don&#039;t know what to say. i guess your boundless stupidity allows you to win any argument by stunning your opponents into silent disbelief.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9363, 944, 31, 1379912311, 75, 9363, 'Re: congrats on kgb''s win', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'Here&#039;s a song dedicated to IDL and its status: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6iT-lMgfAI', 'xx', 1);
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	(9368, 948, 31, 1380304662, 213, 9368, 'Re: Uhhhh Week 5 anyone?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '67.186.28.70', 1, 0, '', 'Those are pretty cool overused imgur gifs and outdated weird youtube videos from other countries, but what is going on?&nbsp; Are we trying to set a record for the poutiest, most crybaby season of all time?&nbsp; Is it only half of the players who are crying because LAG and refuse to play their games with the other half, or is it the whole league that&#039;s crying themselves to sleep?&nbsp; Did you guys not know for the past decade that lag is a part of online doom because it is the fastest competitive FPS?&nbsp; Is the trail of tears mostly being led by current and former board members and an absent commissioner, whose job it is to deal with complaints instead of wage them?&nbsp; I drink your tears.&nbsp; I drink them up.<br /><br />&quot;Odamex is broken.&quot; Bullshit.&nbsp; We&#039;ve played thousands of successful rounds of CTF on Odamex, and we never drowned ourselves in baby-urine and cry-snot before.&nbsp; Is the new version so bad?&nbsp; Go back to the old version.&nbsp; I&#039;m not an oda-sympathizer; I&#039;m a classic oda-hater, but I&#039;m an even bigger baby-hater.&nbsp; I wish I could drown them all in a bathtub.&nbsp; This strikes me as one of the easiest-to-fix problems the IDL has ever faced.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6615, 276, 26, 1333347642, 4, 7948, 'Re: MasterBowl Winners', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '71.197.24.195', 1, 1355739704, 'Ten', '--==MB WINNING TEAMS==--<br />MB I&nbsp; &nbsp;  TDC - [b]Shakal, Cha0tix, Whopper[/b]<br />MB II&nbsp; &nbsp; DCL - [b]Tai, PotentPotables, BloodStrike[/b], EXWizard<br />MB III&nbsp;  TBA - [b]Ralphis, Whiteboy, Climhazzard, MionicDonut[/b]<br />MB IV&nbsp;  RNB - [b]Fastidious, Whiteboy, Gilgamesh[/b], GaX<br />MB V&nbsp; &nbsp; SUC - [b]Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3[/b], Yuna<br />MB VI&nbsp;  SUC - [b]Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3[/b], Gyrossman<br />MB VII&nbsp; SUC - [b]Ralphis, Nostar, Fastidious[/b], Dew<br />MB VIII BSK - [b]Jenova, ItalianStallion, Saber[/b], Legion<br />MB IX&nbsp;  BSK - [b]Jenova, DevastatioN, RottKing[/b], RedShirt<br />MB X&nbsp; &nbsp; DMR - [b]LordBritish, Nostar, Gyrossman[/b], Bulb<br />MB XI&nbsp;  SGS - [b]Hatred, ItalianStallion, BloodStrike[/b], Killforce<br /><br />--==Captains, by Championships==--<br />2 - Jenova<br />2 - Nostar<br />2 - Ralphis<br />1 - Fastidious<br />1 - Hatred<br />1 - LordBritish<br />1 - Shakal<br />1 - Tai<br /><br />--==Players, by Championships==--<br />4 - Nostar<br />3 - PotentPotables<br />2 - BloodStrike<br />2 - Fastidious<br />2 - ItalianStallion<br />2 - Jenova<br />2 - JKist3<br />2 - Ralphis<br />2 - Whiteboy<br />1 - Cha0tix<br />1 - Climhazzard<br />1 - DevastatioN<br />1 - Gilgamesh<br />1 - Gyrossman<br />1 - Hatred<br />1 - LordBritish<br />1 - MionicDonut<br />1 - RottKing<br />1 - Saber<br />1 - Shakal<br />1 - Tai<br />1 - Whopper<br /><br />--==Non-participated Players==--<br />1 - Bulb<br />1 - Dew<br />1 - EXWizard<br />1 - GaX<br />1 - Gyrossman<br />1 - Killforce<br />1 - Legion<br />1 - RedShirt<br />1 - Yuna<br /><br />---<br />Added MB11, and also listed captains by championships as well as non-participating players.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2522, 276, 26, 1284174067, 0, 2522, 'MasterBowl Winners', 'Fastidious', '', '75.4.129.172', 1, 0, '', 'Ralph did most of these but I added the last season on too.<br /><br />--==MB WINNING TEAMS==--<br />MB I&nbsp; &nbsp;  TDC - Shakal, Cha0tix, Whopper<br />MB II&nbsp; &nbsp; DCL - Tai, PotentPotables, Bloodstrike, ExWizard<br />MB III&nbsp;  TBA - Ralphis, Whiteboy, Climhazzard, MionicDonut<br />MB IV&nbsp;  RNB - Fastidious, Whiteboy, Gilgamesh, GaX<br />MB V&nbsp; &nbsp; SUC - Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3, Yuna<br />MB VI&nbsp;  SUC - Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3, Gyrossman<br />MB VI I SUC - Ralphis, Nostar, Fastidious, Dew<br />MB VIII BSK - Jenova, Stallion, Saber, Legion<br /><br />--==Players, by Championships==--<br />3 - Nostar<br />3 - PotentPotables<br />2 - Fastidious<br />2 - JKist3<br />2 - Ralphis<br />2 - Whiteboy<br />1 - Bloodstrike<br />1 - Cha0tix<br />1 - Climhazzard<br />1 - Dew<br />1 - Exwizard<br />1 - GaX<br />1 - Gilgamesh<br />1 - Gyrossman<br />1-&nbsp; Jenova<br />1 - Legion<br />1 - MionicDonut<br />1 - Saber<br />1 - Shakal<br />1 - Stallion<br />1 - Tai<br />1 - Whopper<br />1 - Yuna', 'xx', 1);
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	(5840, 567, 20, 1325993857, 131, 5840, 'Re: Week 1 (JAN 2 -  JAN 8) : ZDE19 (MAP29) - Discussion and Results', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', 'GGs.<br /><br />[img]http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/7158/ctf20120108041405.png[/img]<br />[img]http://img705.imageshack.us/img705/8310/ctf20120108042423.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6142, 569, 20, 1328059073, 216, 6142, 'Re: Winter 2012 Team Pics', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.53.102', 1, 0, '', 'idk i&#039;d say gilga is the cat', 'xx', 1);
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	(6159, 599, 20, 1328473657, 16, 6159, 'Re: Week 5 (JAN 30 - FEB 5) : ZDCTF08 (MAP08) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=599.msg6158#msg6158 date=1328382777]<br />im sucking so much shit this season<br />[/quote]<br /><br />no me', 'xx', 1);
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	(4829, 504, 17, 1317430996, 0, 4829, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.244.105', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=504.msg4828#msg4828 date=1317425825]lame that players are dreading the possibility of not ending up on some golden team.&nbsp; I personally find more satisfaction playing with a weaker team<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well more power to you, but the bad teams I was on were bad because of the players not being reliable or not putting the team first.&nbsp; I think I could enjoy a team that sucked if the team was cohesive and trying to win.&nbsp; I was planning to tough it out on SPE until some crazy shit happened.&nbsp; I toughed it out on TNMT as well.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think people expect &quot;golden teams&quot;.&nbsp; They just want a solid team, not much bullshit, and a respectable effort from their team mates.&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t always happen and often there is not a good way to fix a problem team.&nbsp; It&#039;s a bad situation for the team and the league as a whole since it drags everyone down with it.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=504.msg4828#msg4828 date=1317425825]The more you approach parity, the more random the results of games are &lt;snip&gt; reduces the amount of upsets which take place in the league, &lt;snip&gt;&nbsp; Nobody will ever remember<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;d still have favorites for sure but yeah the more even teams are the more likely results can be not random but harder to predict.&nbsp; The better team will still likely win but it&#039;s much harder to actually know who is the best team before hand when the teams are so close in skill.&nbsp; Given what you said however, it would lead to more upsets, wouldn&#039;t it?&nbsp; Also let&#039;s be honest most of us don&#039;t really remember too many specific matches.&nbsp; There have just been too damn many.&nbsp; I have a very hard time remembering any match I didn&#039;t play in and even then it&#039;s vague and fuzzy.&nbsp; I&#039;d need to check specific things to confirm if my memory is correct or not.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=504.msg4828#msg4828 date=1317425825]<br />There is no top team to beat within a perfectly even league &lt;snip&gt; there is less incentive to develop high risk/reward strategies if a game is expected to be close<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Most of this is bullshit that you said I think but regarding the stuff I left in quotes.&nbsp; There will always be top teams.&nbsp; There is a big difference between dominant teams and top teams however.&nbsp; In close matches you&#039;d still use anything that worked, I doubt it would change strategies use.&nbsp; If people think it&#039;ll work they will use it.&nbsp; There are no strategies which will let SNAX beat a Masterbowl team, no matter how high risk it is.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=504.msg4828#msg4828 date=1317425825]<br />Also others I would imagine, obviously I have no statistics to point towards these outcomes due to a state of parity within the league never existing (nostar) rather they are the product of my expectations and some application of common sense.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Parity will never happen.&nbsp; If we could always get all teams into the .300-.700 range I&#039;d be very impressed.&nbsp; Usually there is a team(s) near .900 and .100.&nbsp; .900 isn&#039;t as a big an issue as .100 teams though but usually they come together.<br /><br />I really think you are expecting parity to go too far.&nbsp; It is highly unlikely we can ever get all teams anywhere near .500 but if we can avoid any big differences between teams that&#039;d be nice.&nbsp; Even if the records don&#039;t reflect it, it&#039;d be nice if the worst team in the league could beat the best.&nbsp; In the NFL it can happen sometimes, as they say &quot;Any Given Sunday&quot;, but I feel at times IDL matches between the .900 and .100 teams are pretty pointless unless shenanigans like starters not playing for the better team or other crap like that happens.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6377, 622, 17, 1330891495, 10, 6377, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 1330891606, 'Ralphis', 'ST is not fun to play CTF on. I played ST before you were born. It is still not fun to play CTF on.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4828, 504, 17, 1317425825, 2, 4828, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '24.18.104.99', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=504.msg4814#msg4814 date=1317355688]<br />I&#039;d have to agree with Hatred.&nbsp; Although I haven&#039;t ever been in his kind of situations, I can imagine that it would be horrible.&nbsp; All the excitement to be on a new team for a new season, just to find out that your team pretty much rests on your shoulders because of a weak player base must be awful.&nbsp; Especially last season where it felt that a lot of teams had really good thirds and others didn&#039;t.&nbsp; It&#039;s like being on a bad team in Priv, but it lasts 9 weeks. :(<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Really, I just see this as a negative overreaction in general.&nbsp; I have been on more than my fair share of terrible teams (HWB, SPE, KGB, KNF, others maybe?) Sometimes you just don&#039;t get on a good team or something doesn&#039;t work out.&nbsp; That is unfortunate, but its not impossible to enjoy being on a poor team, probably my favorite season was playing on SPE with Mortalogy and Rus when he was first starting in IDL.<br /><br />I think we won a single game and took an additional win due to forfeit by some other team.&nbsp; I was definitely the best player on that team at the time and even though a large burden was placed upon me to excel for the team (especially when our captain Nautilus showed up doped out of his head every practice/game) I still enjoyed myself and had fun playing with mort and rus, even though that same team now would have probably gone +.500 now due to Rus getting so much better.<br /><br />I am not trying to tell anybody what to enjoy of course, it is really just kind of lame that players are dreading the possibility of not ending up on some golden team.&nbsp; I personally find more satisfaction playing with a weaker team, it makes me feel as if my contributions are larger, even if the team has &quot;no chance&quot; of winning in the long run, a couple nice upsets can make a season (KNF vs BSK).&nbsp; I would hope people play because they love it, not simply for the chance to win some trophy that has no meaning outside of a small community.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4817#msg4817 date=1317388250]<br />[quote author=Hatred link=topic=504.msg4807#msg4807 date=1317271391]<br />Just like when I was drafted #2 overall with Goatface and had Quiksilver as our 3rd, call me a coward, call me whatever you want but let&#039;s see how much love you&#039;ll have for the IDL when you&#039;re constantly losing 5-0[/quote]<br /><br />The lowest of lows in the IDL don&#039;t make up for the highest of highs.&nbsp; That&#039;s why I think everything should be done to keep trying for the mythical season where every team is .500.&nbsp; Just like Hatred I&#039;ve had two horrible seasons out of my six overall.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The more I think about parity, the more I think it isn&#039;t a good goal for the league.&nbsp; The more you approach parity, the more random the results of games are, which some may say is good, but also reduces the amount of upsets which take place in the league, simply by virtue of what parity means.&nbsp; Nobody will ever remember how KNF beat BSK on a map nobody believed in us on (not even nostar I think, and he is pretty believing in me).&nbsp; Is this really a good thing?&nbsp; I am not convinced it is for a few reasons:<br /><br />There is no top team to beat within a perfectly even league, leaving less to strive for/against.<br />4ths may get less play, often many 4ths get play in what are considered easier matches.&nbsp; If all matches are equal, how many captains will risk a loss to give some rookie face time?<br />Style/strategy development may suffer, there is less incentive to develop high risk/reward strategies if a game is expected to be close, rather then one team having to try new things against a superior opponent.<br />Also others I would imagine, obviously I have no statistics to point towards these outcomes due to a state of parity within the league never existing (nostar) rather they are the product of my expectations and some application of common sense.<br /><br />That is not to say a league in parity is without advantages such as:<br /><br />Players will likely be more interested if they perceive their chance of winning as higher.<br />Games on average should be more exciting, due to unpredictability, even if great historical games become rarer.<br />4ths may actually net more play time, a more even league could promote their extensive use.<br />The league is more inviting to new players who may sign up upon seeing no SNaX exist within the league and that talent allocation is sufficiently skilled as to allow all players to play without large gaps in skill.<br /><br />It is a complex issue to say the least and we have been discussing it in depth for some days now&nbsp; ;)<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6685, 622, 17, 1334874347, 15, 6685, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 1334938717, 'ItalianStallion', 'There actually have been private ctf on Odaslopes*.&nbsp; As I&#039;ve stated before, I think it&#039;s pretty much ready if the things I mentioned in my post were fixed.&nbsp; The ssg takes a bit of getting used to, but it&#039;s not as drastic like going from zd -&gt; st.&nbsp; Odaflex&#039;s* ssg is slightly more powerful at close range, but chasing from a distance it feels as if it does less damage compared to zd.&nbsp; <br /><br />P.S. Odamex is a bad name, change it. <br /><br />P.S.S. Everyone hates mexicans.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7350, 713, 17, 1345618469, 7, 7350, 'Re: The Return of... The IDL Board!', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '208.54.40.192', 1, 0, '', 'Oooh hot mama', 'xx', 1);
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	(4834, 505, 20, 1317472940, 0, 4834, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.244.105', 1, 0, '', 'I offered as well the past season but it didn&#039;t really seem like they wanted anyone else doing it.<br /><br />And damn chow&#039;s post got edited fast.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9267, 932, 1, 1378074339, 10, 9267, 'Re: Publicly calling out UD to a heavy clan war', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '68.32.39.56', 1, 0, '', 'Accepted', 'xx', 1);
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	(8542, 845, 28, 1361772643, 2303, 8542, 'Re: Odamex damage system compared to ZD', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 1361772971, 'Watermelon', 'I was investigating ZDoom 1.23 and it appears that the formula used there makes the shots slightly more compressed vertically and stretched a bit more which is very close (if not identical) to what ZD used.<br /><br />Upon analysis of the ZDoom 1.23 gameplay, it appears that the random engine actually manages to focus some of the shots around the center (why? idk yet), which means extra bullets naturally have a higher chance of connecting (even at a longer distance). If you want you can try it out yourself by downloading the binary of ZDoom 1.23 beta 33 and shoot the ssg at a flat wall. I tried on doom2 map01 and looking at the decals you can see that accuracy is rewarded.<br />It appears that ZDaemon happened to base it&#039;s game off of the most overpowered version of ZDoom (ssg/rockets/jumping/speed/what have you). Could it be sheer luck that they picked such a multiplayer friendly version?<br /><br />So far as of the latest revision, a lot of flags are co_[something], this could be co_zdrandom (as in zdoom, not zdaemon though most people would automatically assume zd anyways). This in turn may possibly affect all hitscan weapons, not just the ssg.<br /><br /><br /><br />[b]Most importantly[/b] it depends on how many people want this. The odamex dev&#039;s aren&#039;t quite for it, but the IDL can run it&#039;s own binary. As of right now, I&#039;ve heard an overwhelming response of &#039;yes please&#039; to this feature getting in (could just be a flag used). Vanilla doom will still be there if we ever want to go back to it.<br />Right now if this happened to actually end up making it feel the way a majority of us are used to, we may actually be able to inject lifeblood back into the IDL instead of continuing to watch it wither away and have to fight just to scrape a team or two together. Maybe this + franchising could give us the boost the IDL needs to stand strong again without having to reduce ourselves to the lowest common denominator of players?<br /><br />I BELIEVE based on my discussion that if the community (yes, you who are reading this!) want to see it in, they will go for it.<br /><br />If this is what you want, odamex 0.6.3 with its new &quot;zdaemon/zdoom123&quot;-like physics + this possible solution could usher in a new era since dr_sean is working on the best netcode ever seen in doom history... bar none.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7668, 740, 17, 1348790187, 75, 7668, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'the late corner shots stall describes are quite pronounced with higher ping, so i definitely agree on that.<br /><br />also i personally cannot stand how oda&#039;s hitscan prediction mixes with absolutely no prediction for projectile weapons. dodging rockets or plasma cells is impossible once your ping climbs high enough... they just hit you when you&#039;re in a probability cloud around them, or something. the same goes for players killing you with the bfg even when you think you already ran past them.&nbsp; i assume these issues are all tied to finetuning the netcode.<br /><br />lastly i&#039;d like to make a feature request for idl&#039;s sake - a sitrep table with my team&#039;s H/A/flag indicator. it is good.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7614, 732, 1, 1348606322, 157, 7614, 'Re: Legion V Dewww', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.110.88', 1, 0, '', 'I enjoy the countless &quot;lol u dumb&quot; accusations. keep them coming', 'xx', 1);
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	(8121, 791, 25, 1358038265, 4, 8150, 'BBC? More like BBCya', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '50.88.51.175', 1, 1358110273, 'Ten', 'Breaking news from BBC headquarters:<br /><br />BBC trades MassVC to WAD in exchange for Bojan<br />BBC trades Bless_ to BAD in exchange for Beast<br />Ten withdraws from the league<br />SwiftShot withdraws from the league<br /><br />Truth be told, I no longer have the desire to actively participate in the league. I do care about the IDL, I&#039;ve been here since Day 1, but I made a [b]huge[/b] mistake accepting that captain position. I honestly thought I&#039;d have more time and motivation to make it through the season, but I simply don&#039;t. I should have given myself much more time and consideration into making that decision beforehand, but I admit that I didn&#039;t. All I can do now is apologize and hope for the best in the IDL. I can only hope that I didn&#039;t screw things up too much, and this won&#039;t be too much of a speedbump in the grand scheme of things.<br /><br />Good luck to the other teams in this season, while I sit back and watch the flurry of keystrokes come racing in.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3951, 276, 26, 1303457226, 10, 3951, 'Re: MasterBowl Winners', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', '--==MB WINNING TEAMS==--<br />MB I&nbsp; &nbsp;  TDC - [b]Shakal, Cha0tix, Whopper[/b]<br />MB II&nbsp; &nbsp; DCL - [b]Tai, PotentPotables, Bloodstrike[/b], ExWizard<br />MB III&nbsp;  TBA - [b]Ralphis, Whiteboy, Climhazzard, MionicDonut[/b]<br />MB IV&nbsp;  RNB - [b]Fastidious, Whiteboy, Gilgamesh[/b], GaX<br />MB V&nbsp; &nbsp; SUC - [b]Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3[/b], Yuna<br />MB VI&nbsp;  SUC - [b]Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3[/b], Gyrossman<br />MB VII&nbsp; SUC - [b]Ralphis, Nostar, Fastidious[/b], Dew<br />MB VIII BSK - [b]Jenova, Stallion, Saber[/b], Legion<br />MB IX&nbsp;  BSK - [b]Jenova, Devastation, RottKing[/b], RedShirt<br /><br />--==Players, by Championships==--<br />3 - Nostar<br />3 - PotentPotables<br />2 - Fastidious<br />2-&nbsp; Jenova<br />2 - JKist3<br />2 - Ralphis<br />2 - Whiteboy<br />1 - Bloodstrike<br />1 - Cha0tix<br />1 - Climhazzard<br />1 - Devastation<br />1 - Dew<br />1 - Exwizard<br />1 - GaX<br />1 - Gilgamesh<br />1 - Gyrossman<br />1 - Legion<br />1 - MionicDonut<br />1 - RedShirt<br />1 - RottKing<br />1 - Saber<br />1 - Shakal<br />1 - Stallion<br />1 - Tai<br />1 - Whopper<br />1 - Yuna<br /><br />----------------------------<br />Added MB9 and also bolded out players who actually played in the MB games.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7432, 716, 17, 1346551748, 0, 7432, 'Re: SECOND SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.8.158', 1, 0, '', 'They were still made available way before the contest even started, which means the maps were not created for that purpose.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5841, 573, 17, 1326033712, 213, 5841, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=573.msg5832#msg5832 date=1325914506]<br />Board members aren&#039;t &quot;executives&quot; and have no official enforcement powers over the league unless I missed some new rule changes<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=rules]It is neither the responsibility nor the privilege of regular board members to enforce IDL policy, this is left to the board head and commissioner.[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s all I was referring to, and that&#039;s been there for years if I&#039;m not mistaken.&nbsp; Of course, I don&#039;t get to make any [i]decisions[/i] on my own, but most issues that might arise, like server disputes or FA substitutions, have a ready set of rules or procedures to deal with them.&nbsp; Bones would need to be around in a case of, is this the official game, can we reset, etc., unless like last night he has somewhere to be and &quot;leaves me in charge.&quot;<br /><br />[quote author=Null link=topic=573.msg5834#msg5834 date=1325945396]the would order go like this[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah, I don&#039;t think we&#039;re taking a vote.&nbsp; Dew&#039;s right that board members don&#039;t take precedence over other IDL players.<br /><br />[quote author=Tenchu link=topic=573.msg5837#msg5837 date=1325988812]I don&#039;t see why players on a team should have more of a right to be in a server than free agents.[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s correct.&nbsp; FAs should be watching this level of gameplay firsthand, and shouldn&#039;t be excluded from the league just because they already are excluded from the league.<br /><br />Strangle: he means players on a team that isn&#039;t playing in that game vs. FAs.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6143, 569, 20, 1328060089, 214, 6143, 'Re: Winter 2012 Team Pics', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.180.52', 1, 0, '', 'Well the problem is that gilga isn&#039;t the one who shares pics of his cat on irc or the one who has his cat on his desk while he plays. Plus gilga is more of a dog person ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6160, 556, 20, 1328480301, 157, 6160, 'Re: ALERT: OFFICIAL WINTER 2012 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', 'this topic should be stickied', 'xx', 1);
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	(4833, 505, 20, 1317472682, 38, 4834, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.64.154', 1, 1317491070, 'Sabertooth', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=505.msg4831#msg4831 date=1317447213]<br />I would be open to learning how to run Stats myself but I must warn you that I&#039;m no slouch and I have a busy schedule to.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />If was ever asked to do anything to help the league I would probably says yes. All you would have to do is ask and then show me how. I would help as much as I can. I&#039;m usually idle in IRC whether I&#039;m actually here or not.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4832, 505, 20, 1317451469, 2121, 4832, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'chow', 'donotreply@linuxmail.org', '99.119.77.122', 1, 1317451920, 'nostar', 'Shakal &lt;3<br /><br />[A LOT OF SPACES]<br /><br />&lt;3', 'xx', 1);
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	(6378, 619, 20, 1330896070, 7, 6378, 'Re: yo yo', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.99.75', 1, 0, '', 'Additionally Xen took initiative and put up the texture swap WAD.&nbsp; I think the administration needs to be nicer to the players, and RCON abuse needs to stop immediately, but to suggest that they don&#039;t listen to the players is to ignore basically everything it&#039;s done this season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6686, 622, 17, 1334960727, 64, 6686, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'BloodStrike', 'casianoortega@live.com', '24.221.237.167', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=622.msg6685#msg6685 date=1334874347]<br />There actually have been private ctf on Odaslopes*.&nbsp; As I&#039;ve stated before, I think it&#039;s pretty much ready if the things I mentioned in my post were fixed.&nbsp; The ssg takes a bit of getting used to, but it&#039;s not as drastic like going from zd -&gt; st.&nbsp; Odaflex&#039;s* ssg is slightly more powerful at close range, but chasing from a distance it feels as if it does less damage compared to zd.&nbsp; <br /><br />P.S. Odamex is a bad name, change it. <br /><br />P.S.S. Everyone hates mexicans.<br /><br />I&#039;m offended.<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4873, 513, 20, 1317794797, 158, 4889, 'Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '207.112.90.195', 1, 1317907689, 'Ralphis', 'Get rid of Nostar and I&#039;ll sign up.<br /><br />The way I see it right now is that this faggot runs the league. He can pull shit off like spying on our practice games, not submit demos, and even tell his friends on my team to throw a game and not be penalized for it.<br /><br />His response is: &quot;we&#039;ll they&#039;re my servers, I can do whatever I want with them&quot;, which is funny, because the same people who trash Kilgore for being unfair and a shitty admin also apparently have no problem with Nostar being a complete faggot. If that above quote is literally his reply to some people complaining about unfair bans, then I can see how this is going to stunt growth.<br /><br />In fact, me and stallion (+ a couple of others) have decided not to play this upcoming season because of the aforementioned reasons. Now I bet Nostar is pretty happy to see this, and honestly that&#039;s pretty upsetting because last season was not the greatest (hint: the teams sucked). IDL isn&#039;t really a league as much as it is a playpen for Nostar, and the current board can&#039;t do anything about it because:<br /><br />1) You have his entire friends list on the board<br />2) The people on the board that are against him apparently don&#039;t give enough of a shit to bring this up.<br /><br />You have literally 20 other server hosts who can host better servers, for 0 price. Hell, they probably won&#039;t even charge you $60 to run servers like Nostar does. While I like Ladna and the servers are actually pretty decent, I cannot see how you can take this league seriously with this tool in charge. On multiple occasions, he&#039;s banned people for absolutely nothing, just because they don&#039;t like him.<br /><br />In fact, during season 8, I was banned from IDL D because Nostar didn&#039;t like me. Normally, this wouldn&#039;t be a problem, except that IDL C was occupied, and A/B were different maps. What does this mean? It means I couldn&#039;t practice because of this idiot.<br /><br />Another scenario, this time including priv CTF: Nostar literally didn&#039;t win a single game the entire day, so we had one last game. After our mutual hatred of each other and shit talking, our team settled on me/stall/mass. Pretty solid team, however, MassVC threw the game (prob. because Star told him to). Here&#039;s a demo if you want to check it out: http://www.mediafire.com/?lvu27mhp99o2330. I told Nostar about it, and his response was &quot;stop crying.&quot;<br /><br />Here&#039;s another problem. During season 8, we were praxing on map17 our conf. finals map, me stall and saber. Then we notice Ladna join our server. I was thinking well it&#039;s only ladna, but just in case had ralphis check him out, and it was later found out to be Nostar. (Nostar is the guy that picked the map, and the guy that we&#039;re up against). That&#039;s cool, breaking IDL rules is apparently fine when you dont&#039; get any penalties for it.<br /><br />Also, tons of unsubmitted demos, but no penalty (I know that some people like noob didn&#039;t submit any either, but BBC got a penalty for it).<br /><br />You have an asshole immature admin running your league, yet you have the balls to call Kilgore out for stupid bans. Congrats IDL!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7351, 715, 17, 1345634318, 158, 7351, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '184.175.47.196', 1, 0, '', 'How did you guys derail this topic so much?<br /><br />BONES IS A SATANIC KKK WORSHIPPER R.I.P IDL SEE YOU ON SKULLTAG', 'xx', 1);
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	(7433, 716, 17, 1346552328, 2311, 7433, 'Re: SECOND SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'FrankTheTank', 'frankdt1234@gmail.com', '65.78.62.158', 1, 0, '', 'I am submitting map 37 for my second map.<br />Blue is not here right now but as soon as i talk to him i will tell you which two maps he wants.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7615, 731, 22, 1348632289, 19, 7615, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 1348632451, 'Xenaero', 'Really great game. Congrats WAD, and SXP (legion in particular!!) played really well. Close and fun game to watch.<br /><br />Would be cool tho if there weren&#039;t so many salty + bad players in spec the whole time. Jeez, grow up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7809, 758, 25, 1352702106, 2313, 7809, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'nub_hat', 'mikaelhhome@yahoo.dk', '93.161.134.238', 1, 0, '', 'Name: nub_hat<br />Country/State: Denmark<br />Instant Message Contact: #idl on Quakenet<br />Regular Availability: Weekends', 'xx', 1);
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	(4765, 495, 26, 1316053553, 0, 4765, 'Re: Cap ratio by season', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.110.56', 1, 1316053654, 'Fastidious', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=495.msg4763#msg4763 date=1316027376]<br />the switches from 11, 8, and 9 game seasons aren&#039;t very well represented either.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Can dig into them a lot deeper obviously but one thing that is worth observing is total rounds are rising lately.&nbsp; Season 2 still has the most matches and rounds obviously but it is much closer than you&#039;d expect in rounds played.&nbsp; There are guys with 24 rounds played in season 9 and 10.&nbsp; There are only a couple people with more rounds ever played and that was in season 2 (3 people with 25 rnds and 1 with 26 rnds).<br /><br />Overall I just think players are realizing D is stronger than O and you should play with more of a D focus.&nbsp; You see teams playing 2D or 1D 1 mid/D a lot now.&nbsp; In the first few seasons 2O was common.&nbsp; Just think of it like this what team is going to do better in the IDL a top with the best D and average O or a team with the best O and average D?&nbsp; The best D team would probably end up being one of the top teams of the season.<br /><br />As per maps my gut feeling and observations are maps now are more offensive oriented than ever.&nbsp; We now use maps like ZDCTF18 and don&#039;t use ODA02 or ZDCTF07.&nbsp; So we&#039;ve started using some of the most offensive maps while dropping the most defensive maps.<br /><br />Players overall now also aim much better and have a much better understanding of the game.&nbsp; In the first few seasons a star player was a big deal, now they are still important, but it can often be hard to separate them out from a good player who is just playing great at the moment.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5842, 573, 17, 1326043325, 14, 5842, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Gilgamesh', 'udgilgamesh@gmail.com', '71.61.186.68', 1, 0, '', 'As far as the active roster players vs free agents go, active roster players should probably have priority over free agents.&nbsp; Call it unfair if you want, but I know I would want a spot watching a game that could affect my division and my playoff chances instead of a free agent taking up a spot when it has no affect on them at all.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6144, 569, 20, 1328064683, 216, 6144, 'Re: Winter 2012 Team Pics', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.53.102', 1, 0, '', 'gilga&#039;s more of a meowth person.<br /><br />For example, Meowth says &quot;Meowth! That&#039;s Right!&quot; using his own name. Likewise, gilga (aka glago) says &quot;Go Go Glagomush!!!&quot; <br /><br />;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6161, 556, 20, 1328480536, 4, 6161, 'Re: ALERT: OFFICIAL WINTER 2012 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '98.250.101.180', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.intldoomleague.org/season/schedule', 'xx', 1);
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	(6228, 610, 20, 1329348906, 8, 6378, 'W2012 Homefield Map Selection', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1330896138, 'HumanBones', 'It&#039;s map selection time. Teams select in reverse order of the first round of the pre-season draft. Any map from the IDL wad may be selected, only by one team, with the exception of this season&#039;s MasterBowl map (Map16) and maps in the slots MB1, MB2, etc. These maps were put in the wad as historical references. <br /><br />Map selections will be posted as they are made.<br /><br />1. Brokeback Cowboys<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]ZDCTF MAP18 (MAP18)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />2. Philanthropic Blowhards<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]CC MAP01 (MAP05)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />3. The Cult of Bestism<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]THIRTY4-31 (MAP31)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />4. Super Chargers<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]ZDCTF MAP08 (MAP08)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />5. We&#039;re All Doomed<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]THIRTY4-13 (MAP13)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />6. Plasmadicks United<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]ZDCTF MAP01 (MAP01)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />7. Ricochet Rockets<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]IDLCONTEST07 (MAP30)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />8. Contraband<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]ZDCTF MAP02 (MAP02)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />9. Killing Browns<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]SMART01 (MAP06)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />10. Mass Destruction<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]ZDCTF MAP26 (MAP26)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />11. Super Shotgun Spurs<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]ZDE01 (MAP20)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />12. Fnordy Niners<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]THIRTY4-17 (MAP17)[/b][/li]<br />[/list]<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7669, 741, 17, 1348791796, 75, 7669, 'What''s cooking for the next season?', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 1348791889, 'dew', 'The board is at it again and we want to meddle with stuff! All your beloved maps will be taken away, but that&#039;s beyond the point of this thread... we do want to hear your opinion on everything else! Let&#039;s see what I can remember:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][b]League Structure: Divs/Confs No More?[/b]<br /><br />We aim to destroy some nonsensical relics and with 8 teams in play it makes little sense to preserve divisions. We also plan to have just 7 weeks in a season with round robin each-plays-each system, so it seems even [i]conferences[/i] will be redundant. The counterargument to removing the latter is that conferences may still add team rivalry, however so far the prevalent opinion is that it&#039;s not worth keeping around. What do you think?<br />[/li][/list]<br />[br]<br />[list][li]<br />[b]Intermissions: Not Enough Time for the Al Pacino Half-time Speech![/b]<br /><br />Right now the time is 20 seconds and let&#039;s be honest, sometimes you just need to tell your team something important, but you just shut up, because there&#039;s not enough time to do it during the intermission. Would a longer pause between rounds be benefitial? I think so, but how many seconds? I&#039;d go even as high as 40s, but certain other board gentlemen think in terms of +5 or +10s max. Where do you stand?<br />[/li][/list]<br />[br]<br />[list][li]<br />[b]Rocket Splash: Ralph&#039;s Magicarp Experiment Gone Wrong?[/b]<br /><br />Some of you not limited to pure SSG droning may have noticed something weird about the RL: there&#039;s not enough splash damage. It&#039;s been lowered to 85% (I think) and it does indeed help rocketjumping as intended. I fear it may help [i]too much[/i] on map08 [i]and[/i] it carries over certain scandalous artifacts like surviving a suicide bombing run. You should not survive being in the center of an explosion. Anyways, do you think rocketjumps should be actively promoted with a higher partial value (9X%), or do you want the full power death stick back?<br />[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />Also be sure to let us know about quality CTF maps out there!<br /><br />P.S.: The invite system will probably get nuked, because it&#039;s a high redundancy system. Nothing important will change at your (players&#039;) side, though.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7810, 758, 25, 1352703086, 2275, 7810, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Perrondon', 'pmcd_perrondon@hotmail.com', '187.178.79.209', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Perrondon<br />Country/State: Mexico <br />Email Contact: Pmcd_Perrondon@Hotmail.com<br />IM Contact:Zdaemon IRC #[PMCD] QuakeNet #idl<br />Regular Availability: Everyday :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7934, 758, 25, 1355675007, 2084, 7934, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'EmZee712', 'Aishiteru712@yahoo.com', '98.218.137.45', 1, 0, '', 'Signing up for Bojan because she is lazy and needs me to babysit her<br /><br />Name: Bojan<br />Country/State: England<br />IM Contact: ZandroIRC #pro (soon to be) Quakenet #idl<br />Regular Availability: Terrible sleeping habit makes Bojan available mostly all throughout EST 12:00am - 10:00pm', 'xx', 1);
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	(4762, 495, 26, 1316008490, 163, 4762, 'Re: Cap ratio by season', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.50.9.58', 1, 0, '', 'I can&#039;t speak for the majority of those seasons but the decrease fromS2010 to W2011 doesn&#039;t surprise me. S2010 really only yielded good 3 good teams for the majority of the season so I&#039;d be curious to see how responsible those 3 teams (off the top of my head I&#039;ll say FLS, SUC and BSK) are for the reflection of that ratio. We should also consider the maps that were played in some of these seasons, too. Traditionally you have maps that are slower-paced scoring wise, so I wonder how you&#039;d factor that in. W2011 was a total grind, teams were really balanced that season. The playoffs alone that season were really low scoring but extremely competitive. So I&#039;m willing to assume more balance will result in lower cap/touch ratio as teams aren&#039;t running other teams over. Either way, those are some cool stats, Fast. It certainly would make for an interesting debate. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8592, 852, 18, 1362110119, 2303, 8592, 'Re: Wildcard Playoffs Gametime', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'I would play against myself...', 'xx', 1);
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	(4557, 429, 20, 1313252052, 1989, 4557, 'Re: International Doom League''s Mumble Server!', 'higgs', 'phiggs@gmail.com', '68.151.44.209', 1, 0, '', 'Glad to see you guys have made the move to mumble, its been a lot better than vent for a while =)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4340, 429, 20, 1311052012, 19, 4340, 'Re: International Doom League''s Mumble Server!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.140.114', 1, 0, '', 'By the way the mumble address has moved to Funcrusher+! Thanks to AlexMax for saving the official idl mumble because Ladna can&#039;t make an official one for me. It&#039;s okay though. Much love to Alex.<br /><br />Update your shit, bitches.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5843, 573, 17, 1326044137, 216, 5843, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.79.81', 1, 0, '', 'I completely disagree with you gilga. If the game is so important for you, then you should make it a point to get there early/ help the teams practice. If you don&#039;t do that, you can still watch demos of the game, so you can still observe what you need to for playoff/season matchups later on in the season, or whatever you want to watch it for. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4074, 429, 20, 1306088319, 19, 4074, 'Re: International Doom League''s Mumble Server!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.249.152', 1, 0, '', 'We will be using the Mumble server for the IDL Draft tonight, if you intend to call in for your draft pick or are part of the IDL Rabble Table you&#039;ll need to set up Mumble to participate!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6688, 622, 17, 1335031421, 19, 6688, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.231.81', 1, 1335032143, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=dew link=topic=622.msg6684#msg6684 date=1334857034]<br />i&#039;m all for moving idl to oda. AFTER the upcoming season.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />+1 Disagree. Having oda privs with a league still on a drastically different source port will only serve to confuse players and instigate further disparagement within the league. There has always been a great deal of priv done prior to every season. Players will adapt rapidly either then or during the first week or two of the next season. At least the players that are interested in adapting and performing for the next season will. Be logical.<br /><br />Oops I posted didn&#039;t I', 'xx', 1);
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	(383, 679, 21, 1227551369, 19, 383, 'Re: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.49.224.57', 1, 0, '', 'For IDE ([b]NOTE: [u]ALL THE IMPORTANT BITS ARE BOXED IN [color=red]RED[/color][/u][/b])<br /><br />[img]http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/5661/ideautodemoiv7.jpg[/img]<br /><br />Note that here, I use this command line:<br /><br />-netrecord demos\\%DATE%_%TIME%_%WAD% +logfile demos\\%DATE%_%TIME%_%WAD%.txt<br /><br />That way, the logs [b]and[/b] demos I record will go into the [b]demos[/b] subfolder in the [b]zdaemon[/b] folder. I also advise to [b]uncheck[/b] &#039;Record Demos&#039; at the bottom of that page, so there&#039;s no conflict. You can do whatever works for you, though.<br /><br />And please, make sure you click &#039;[b]Add to the List[/b]&#039; (to the [b]right[/b] of the [u][b]Additional Doom Parameters[/b][/u] box) to make sure it saves your command line. If you don&#039;t, I will bash your greasy face in with a rusty golf club.<br /><br />8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6164, 604, 20, 1328533309, 0, 6164, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'capodecima', '', '90.179.151.60', 1, 0, '', '[b]Philanthropic Blowhards vs Ricochet Rockets[/b]<br />2-0 RR<br /><br />[b]The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction (DIV)[/b]<br />2-0 MAD<br /><br /><br />[b]Super Chargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed (DIV)[/b]<br />2-1 SUC<br /><br /><br />[b]Plasma Dicks United vs Super Shotgun Spurs (DIV)[/b]<br />2-0 SGS<br /><br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Fnordy Niners (DIV)[/b]<br />2-1 KNF<br /><br /><br />[b]Contrabanned vs Killing Browns[/b]<br />TIE', 'xx', 1);
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	(6690, 622, 17, 1335086984, 163, 6690, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.110.106.26', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t necessarily disagree with Dew on this one. He has a fair point. However, I do believe Odamex has come along quite a bit, probably even further than Dew could anticipate unless he&#039;s played it recently. There are a few things that need fixed but as Ralph, Stall, Jenova, X-Ray, Saber and many others can attest to, they get fixed rather quickly when reported. <br /><br />Anybody with a brain would know the IDL&#039;s (if we even call it that when it changes ports) future is not going to take place on ZDaemon. ZDaemon, as is, is a dying port with a few die-hards still keeping it alive. Meanwhile, Oda is gaining more and more support and the future looks bright. So let&#039;s just get this out of the way and say this: the future of the IDL [b]will[/b] be on Odamex. <br /><br />Now, as for the present? Clearly, there is going to be a delay to the start of the season. Typically, you start to hear rumbling and discussion about the summer season around this time, which there has been none of. The board still has 4 vacant spots (that is, if they elect to fill them). People are somewhat burnt out on the IDL and a delay (or possibly even the cancellation of the summer season) might be refreshing. So, what does this do? It gives us time to play-test Odamex more. <br /><br />As I stated above, quite a few notables players have been vigorously play-testing Odamex for the past few months. For those who have, we can say the amount of progress made in that short time has been astonishing. Any sort of bug noted has been fixed. The netcode is boss and players who are notorious for having bad connections will do much better. The Super Shotgun returns to Vanilla Doom style, meaning the closer bursts do greater damage while distance shots aren&#039;t as strong (this can be overcome once you&#039;ve gotten used to it). The movement, in my mind, is infinitely better than ZDaemon&#039;s. And to the best of my knowledge, nobody has disputed that. <br /><br />Now, there is one thing I would really hope to have happen if the IDL were to immediately move to Odamex: an updated spectator view. As it stands, there is no animation whatsoever when spectating another player. It is completely blank. This puts a bit of a damper on it because one of the greatest things about the IDL is to simply kick back and watch two teams slug it out. I don&#039;t know how doable it is to have that updated immediately but I think it should be a priority in order for the IDL to move to Odamex. Else wise, spectating games won&#039;t be so great and advertising something with lame spectating is moot. But I have faith it can be done. <br /><br />In closing, this may have come off as bitter for someone who has been on the bad side of the ZDaemon administration for quite some time. I assure you that is not it. Odamex is really doing this well, this is not made up or fabricated in any sense. All I can say is what I&#039;ve said for awhile now: try it! You&#039;ll be surprised how good it is if you&#039;ve had your doubts and you&#039;ll be pleased if you&#039;re anxious to give it a shot. Don&#039;t take my word for it though, it&#039;s freely available to be play tested by anyone!<br /><br />irc.quakenet.org #odamex - do it up. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7355, 701, 1, 1345668778, 2303, 7355, 'Re: who is the best doom player of all time?', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.242.222.134', 1, 0, '', 'I voted Capo', 'xx', 1);
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	(4838, 506, 20, 1317525824, 8, 5709, 'Winter 2012 Time Table', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '76.254.9.127', 1, 1324242191, 'HumanBones', '[center]Winter 2012 Time Table<br />[b]SCHEDULE IS TENTATIVE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE[/b]<br />Last updated: 10/1/2011<br /><br /><br />[u][b]PRE-SEASON[/b][/u]<br /><br />Monday, October 31st, 2011<br />Release of 2012 IDL wad.<br /><br />Monday, November 7th, 2011<br />Sign up period for Winter 2012 open on the IDL Forums.<br /><br />Monday, November 21st, 2011<br />Invites are posted.<br /><br />Saturday, December 3rd, 2011<br />Free Agency is solidified. All players must confirm by this date. <br /><br />Sunday, December 11th, 2011<br />Captains are announced. <br /><br />December 15-22 (DATE TBD), 2011<br />IDL Winter 2012 Draft Live<br /><br />(IDL Pre-Show Panel)<br />8:00PM EST<br />(IDL Winter 2012 Draft Selections)<br />9:00PM EST<br /><br />[u][b]REGULAR SEASON[/b][/u]<br /><br />Monday, January 2nd, 2012<br />Week 1 of Regular Season Begins<br /><br />Wednesday, February 1st, 2012 (Week 5) 11:59 PM<br />Trading is closed, Rosters are locked for season.<br /><br />February 13th-17th, 2012 (Monday-Friday Week)<br />Homefield selection will take place.<br /><br />[u][b]POST-SEASON[/b][/u]<br /><br />March 5th-11th, 2012<br />IDL Winter 2012 Playoffs Begin<br /><br />March 12th-18th, 2012<br />IDL Winter 2011 Conference Championships<br /><br />March 19th-25th, 2012<br />MasterBowl IX[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6145, 569, 20, 1328071209, 267, 6145, 'Re: Winter 2012 Team Pics', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.245.144.84', 1, 0, '', 'i definetly look like that after finding the little bag of weed i lost in &quot;last night&#039;s party&quot; and also when i wake up in my bed and not some weird and exotic place ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6162, 599, 20, 1328485170, 216, 6162, 'Re: Week 5 (JAN 30 - FEB 5) : ZDCTF08 (MAP08) - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.53.102', 1, 0, '', 'GGS CTB!<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/fv0zZ.png[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/HiWwC.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6379, 622, 17, 1330897817, 157, 6379, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', 'I play st far more than you do nowadays. it is quite fun if you put some sort of effort in.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1992, 28, 21, 1277944614, 2, 1992, 'Re: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'I want all of you ZDlauncher users to check out the new screenshot if you auto demo, I have been informed that using the +netrecord is fault laden and incorrect, any of you autorecording demos should be using the -netrecord command as it does not cause problems.&nbsp; Again test things for yourself to see, perhaps having had faulty demos before for some of you has been related to using the +netrecord.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7811, 758, 25, 1352709018, 2084, 7811, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'EmZee712', 'Aishiteru712@yahoo.com', '98.218.137.45', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Shane<br />Country/State: Maryland<br />Contact: IRC #idl or skype if you _really_ want to<br />Regular Availability: All day err&#039;day', 'xx', 1);
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	(4486, 486, 26, 1312596114, 0, 4486, 'Wiki', 'Fastidious', '', '75.63.60.228', 1, 1312641725, 'Fastidious', 'The wiki sucks, we should add more to it.&nbsp; In progress is player life time stats on the wiki.&nbsp; Once the initial work is done they won&#039;t be hard to keep updated.&nbsp; Hopefully some people will start editing their own pages about themselves.&nbsp; Here are some examples -<br /><br />http://wiki.intldoomleague.org/index.php?title=Players<br /><br />Excel file I&#039;m using below to get the stats from, basically it&#039;s just cut and pasting from excel and formatting to the wiki.&nbsp; Maybe someone like ladna could script it.<br /><br />Had to .7z to get under 128kb attach size, ugh.', 'clip', 1);
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	(4531, 486, 26, 1312856959, 11, 4531, 'Re: Wiki', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '76.198.247.18', 1, 0, '', 'Looking good&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6689, 651, 18, 1335046260, 8, 6689, 'IDL-R Week 2 Gametimes', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Moon Dolphins vs Chaingun Rangers: Sunday @ 7pm<br />Gotcha! City Goofballs vs Boxers and Dooming: Sunday @ 8pm', 'xx', 1);
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	(7671, 740, 17, 1348793430, 2271, 7671, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Dr. Sean', 'grandpachuck187@gmail.com', '204.195.111.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=740.msg7668#msg7668 date=1348790187]<br />lastly i&#039;d like to make a feature request for idl&#039;s sake - a sitrep table with my team&#039;s H/A/flag indicator. it is good.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That is certainly something we can consider. Any ideas for improving it in terms of features or how it&#039;s presented on-screen would also be welcome.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4839, 507, 20, 1317540804, 163, 4839, 'IDL Recruiting', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'The basis of this topic is Mass&#039; challenging us in a previous thread to do more to encourage IDL sign-ups and growth. While I disagreed and argued some of his points at the time, I totally agree with him in regards to encouraging other people to sign-up and play. Thus, that is why we are here.<br /><br />We all have made it clear that last season was tough and lower on talent than what we&#039;re used to. Part of the problem I saw with it was the lack of excitement going into the season. It was a total downer almost. Nobody seemed excited, nobody seemed involved and overall, it was just [b]boring.[/b] It&#039;s not anyone&#039;s fault in particular and I am not suggesting we debate that. <br /><br />What I am suggesting is people coming up with ideas on how we can advertise IDL some more to other DooM communities. From simple binds being spammed in Public CTF&#039;s in ZD/ST to literally tracing down every player and talking to them about the league, there&#039;s probably more we as a community can do to help get a few extra people signed up. This isn&#039;t limited to new people either; in fact, go to some old veteran&#039;s and see if they&#039;d be interested in coming back if you have any way of contacting them. You&#039;re probably not going to find a player of Nostar&#039;s caliber in random pubs&#039; but there are some decent players who&#039;d make respectable starters in the IDL with some time. <br /><br />Another thing is priv. We don&#039;t always do the greatest of jobs to encourage growth for players in priv. If two players who aren&#039;t all that good get selected to cap, we usually just recall caps. While the intention behind that is to keep the level of play fair and team&#039;s as most balanced as they can be, I suspect most people aren&#039;t doing this to become caps themselves in that round to pick the new people. In fact, very few people even go out on a limb to get new guys some playing time when they&#039;re around. Lately it&#039;s just been most of the old faces in priv but perhaps we could go to ZDIRC or ST&#039;s public channel and try and find some faces we recognize and get them into #idl. <br /><br />But yeah, what I&#039;ve suggested thus far is very vague. I&#039;m trying to get the ball rolling on this and maybe someone can come up with some creative ideas. The biggest thing I want to make clear is that I don&#039;t think we should have to be afraid of going around asking people in ZDaemon if they&#039;d like to be a part of the IDL. I&#039;m not implying you make forum posts about it or highlight everyone in ZDIRC for a priv (although that would be downright hilarious), but I don&#039;t want zd pub players to be considered off-limits either. After all, maybe some of them want something more than just random pub but aren&#039;t aware of a league being around such as the IDL. The only way is to go in and give it a shot I suppose. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(5844, 573, 17, 1326048379, 14, 5844, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Gilgamesh', 'udgilgamesh@gmail.com', '71.61.186.68', 1, 0, '', '[u]Coming early[/u]<br />Well, it&#039;s no surprise that teams will switch servers minutes before a match because a server will be full and no room for all their players.&nbsp; That&#039;s happened a lot of times when I would be running stats and they would switch servers, and it would be full so I couldn&#039;t log stats.&nbsp; Hell, I&#039;ve even practiced with teams for hours and lost a spot because they switched.&nbsp; So coming early and helping out doesn&#039;t guarantee you a spot.&nbsp; I do not agree with a &quot;first-come first-serve&quot; basis entirely, and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s all that effective because it results in &quot;wahh i was here first!!!&quot;&nbsp; Then someone is either kicked or someone who came early is nice enough to leave.<br /><br />ex. - I practice with a team in server A for hours before their match for warmups, they want to switch servers.&nbsp; Prime joins server B seeing that people are starting to fill in there. I try to switch to B also, but now it&#039;s full.&nbsp; Now you would be the new &quot;first&quot; and I&#039;m left without a spot.<br /><br />ex. - I&#039;m the 14th person to join a server and play a few rounds with that team, and now the other team needs to come into the server.&nbsp; I was the &quot;last&quot; person in before that team needs to join, so I must leave.&nbsp; But people have been sitting on green/white the whole time and not helping.&nbsp; Am I the one who has to leave or are they the ones who need to leave?<br /><br />[u]Demos[/u]<br />Sure you can watch demos later, but that kinda defeats the purpose right?&nbsp; I mean there would be no arguing over server spots if everyone just sits back and waits for a demo to watch it.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure people would just wait for results to be posted instead of sitting through a demo.&nbsp; It&#039;s like watching a replay of a sporting event or just reading the results vs. actually attending the game.&nbsp; It&#039;s just not as much fun.&nbsp; I only see it as a last resort if you&#039;re stuck with work or whatever else during game time.<br /><br />[u]Broadcasting[/u]<br />Hopefully someone will come up with a good casting setup so server spots won&#039;t be an issue.&nbsp; I&#039;ve casted before for this very purpose, but people bitch and moan about quality (even though it wasn&#039;t that bad).&nbsp; I&#039;ve come to the conclusion that people are never happy with casting because of quality, lag spikes, or that bit of delay between the game and the cast.<br /><br />If I have the time this season, I could try casting again.&nbsp; But I&#039;ve been pretty busy and missed every game so far ahaha.&nbsp; If I&#039;m around and people need a game to be streamed I could try it out again.<br /><br />We talked about making a universal casting account so that anyone who wanted to cast could use the same link, and save all the casts in the same archive.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7812, 758, 25, 1352735469, 2303, 7812, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.245.132.191', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Water<br />Country/State: Canada (East coast)<br />Instant Message Contact: #idl @ Quakenet<br />Regular Availability: All days (ideally after 5pm EST)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7435, 723, 22, 1346554828, 157, 7436, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.224', 1, 1346554982, 'Legion_', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=723.msg7427#msg7427 date=1346550038]<br />Acting like the communities between the three ports are some sort of separate universe is incredibly stupid. As a side note, your clan probably sucks really bad.<br />[/quote]<br />I thought the common consensus in the idl was to distance themselves from zandro as much as possible ???<br /><br />[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=723.msg7424#msg7424 date=1346548805]<br />It is more about the fact that (especially now that we know he isn&#039;t getting kicked out) some of you guys will decide to remain in the same clan as him. When aca namefaked someone from the ZDaemon community who had recently died, he was kicked out of UD. When you hang around people like that, I&#039;m very sorry but it is almost like you condone their behavior.<br />[/quote]<br />what the hell are we supposed to do about it? pretty much every zandro clan has someone in it that has done something shitty and dumb as fuck. there are little options for zandro clans except to not be in one. I like being in clans. even if there is a douchebag in a clan what do you want me to do? leave it? even though there are a bunch of other cool people in it?<br />[quote]2012-09-01&nbsp; 20:46:24&nbsp; &lt;Ru5tK1ng&gt;	that fact that the faggot is still in your clan means you condone what he did[/quote]<br />it is comments like this that amuse me. even though it is totally wrong its still funny<br />[quote author=Mobius link=topic=723.msg7426#msg7426 date=1346549610]<br />Jenova ddos&#039;d Legion and few outside of the IDL. I don&#039;t recall Jenova ddosing people in the idl, and all the R drama with it has been outside the league. It isn&#039;t the same Watermelon, since your clanmate just came in a league match with YOU playing aliasing as ME cause of shit outside of the IDL.<br />[/quote]<br />hey, I&#039;m in the idl, and jenova ddos&#039;d me. he ddos&#039;d me several times in zandro and then another time on oda. is anything going to happen about that?<br /><br /><br />reckless cheated like 80 times on zandronum. he&#039;s on a team<br />shane cheated quite a few times on zandronum too. he&#039;s on a team<br />jenova ddos&#039;d me and multiple other people. he RUNS THE FUCKING SERVERS<br /><br /><br />jenova ddos&#039;ing people period should be unacceptable in the first place. nobody is calling for his ousting from R or anything of the sort. one idiot who doesn&#039;t represent us on odamex in any way shape or form (since H is not an odamex clan) did something dumb as fuck. he has already been punished on both sides so what the hell else do you want us to do<br /><br />[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=723.msg7428#msg7428 date=1346550199]<br />If you want him to stop, you aren&#039;t going to get anywhere pandering to his bullshit. So either you stand up to it or it&#039;s going to keep happening. <br />[/quote]<br />none of us are pandering to his bullshit. this burn the witch mentality is so 1600s granddad.<br />I&#039;m pretty sure the idl has already stood up to it and banned him. H has already stood up to it and made sure this kind of shit never happens again<br />if there are any other concerns feel free to chat me in irc', 'xx', 1);
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	(4794, 504, 17, 1317005053, 163, 4794, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.131.18', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Godsdoomer link=topic=504.msg4792#msg4792 date=1316967065]<br />I&#039;ll be here for it. Hope we even have enough to do IDL-R like we did last winter.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;ve got a few months to impress people, work on your game and play in priv a shit ton and there&#039;s a good chance you&#039;ll get drafted. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8593, 827, 17, 1362149537, 0, 8593, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Capodecima', '', '109.81.182.95', 1, 0, '', ' :-[', 'xx', 1);
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	(4417, 481, 26, 1312237214, 0, 4417, 'Captain records', 'Fastidious', '', '76.222.58.59', 1, 1312238339, 'Fastidious', 'This is a work is progress but mostly finished.&nbsp; I know there are quite a few errors mainly due to the fact sometimes captains switched and I&#039;m not sure when this happened.&nbsp; I just used whoever was captain and end of the season and gave them the record of their team.&nbsp; Hopefully Ralphis can fix some of it.&nbsp; Just for starters unsure of SPE captain in season 5, don&#039;t know playoffs in season 5, unsure of ralph/ladna season 6, unsure of deww in current season and probably lots more I&#039;m unaware of but many things are correct.<br /><br />I&#039;m bored of working on it right now but if someone else wants to update it go ahead.&nbsp; You can find most info on the current or old IDL sites.&nbsp; I&#039;ll update it again when I get around to it.&nbsp; If anyone else works on it please upload the latest version when you have stopped.<br /><br />Here is a rough list -<br /><br /><br />nostar 0.892&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; <br />fastidious 0.864&nbsp; <br />thatsjustprime 0.857&nbsp;  <br />jenova 0.826&nbsp;  <br />chaindude 0.786&nbsp;  <br />ralphis 0.768&nbsp;  <br />italianstallion 0.727&nbsp;  <br />massvc 0.714&nbsp;  <br />kandy kid 0.667&nbsp;  <br />humanbones 0.590&nbsp; <br />shadow ghost 0.579&nbsp;  <br />russiandumbass 0.558&nbsp;  <br />envy 0.545&nbsp;  <br />saber 0.529&nbsp;  <br />killingblair 0.524&nbsp;  <br />shakal 0.500&nbsp;  <br />whopper 0.500&nbsp;  <br />tai 0.463&nbsp;  <br />rottking 0.461&nbsp;  <br />mantis-x 0.459&nbsp;  <br />beast 0.450&nbsp;  <br />ghostlydeath 0.447&nbsp;  <br />doomguy666 0.441&nbsp;  <br />lord british 0.429&nbsp;  <br />xenaero 0.424&nbsp;  <br />mionicdonut 0.389&nbsp;  <br />tenchu 0.389&nbsp;  <br />strangle 0.353&nbsp;  <br />hatred 0.333&nbsp;  <br />ladna 0.333&nbsp;  <br />marine 0.313&nbsp;  <br />climhazzard 0.286&nbsp;  <br />legion 0.281&nbsp;  <br />x-ray 0.278&nbsp; <br />thefwf 0.214&nbsp;  <br />rexnor 0.194&nbsp; <br />alvis 0.194&nbsp;  <br />goatface 0.147&nbsp;  <br />nero 0.125&nbsp;  <br />dewww 0.125&nbsp;  <br />nautilus 0.111&nbsp;  <br />metalhead 0.000&nbsp; ', 'clip', 1);
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	(6163, 604, 20, 1328509005, 19, 6163, 'Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.123.92', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=5][b]Official Servers for Week 5 of IDL Winter 2012[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b](TotalTrash Chicago)[/b]<br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP02 - A][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP02 - B][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP02 - C][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP02 - D][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11025[/b]<br /><br /><br />[b]Official Alternative (POWERHOUSE: Montreal)[/b]<br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP02 - A][/color]<br />[b]70.38.121.52:27002[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP02 - B][/color]<br />[b]70.38.121.52:27003[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />Philanthropic Blowhards vs Ricochet Rockets<br /><br />The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction (DIV)<br /><br />Super Chargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed (DIV)<br /><br />Plasma Dicks United vs Super Shotgun Spurs (DIV)<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys vs Fnordy Niners (DIV)<br /><br />Contrabanned vs Killing Browns<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6380, 622, 17, 1330900155, 75, 6380, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=622.msg6376#msg6376 date=1330884752]<br />&quot;ice skating&quot; is hilarious. so is the weaker ssg excuse. get better<br />[/quote]<br />go die somewhere, like in a rhino butt. st is not an option, get used to it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6146, 601, 1, 1328098107, 0, 6146, 'Re: Velocity CTF', 'capodecima', '', '90.179.151.60', 1, 0, '', 'yeah totally awesome wad&nbsp; ;D<br />i like maps 01-07,09 and 10 <br />totally great is 04,07 and 10 :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4011, 28, 21, 1304437988, 19, 4011, 'Re: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.249.152', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=28.msg1348#msg1348 date=1263101054]<br />Can we get this moved to the current season as a sticky?<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(763, 28, 21, 1241060688, 76, 763, 'Re: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'RussianDumbass', 'russiandumbass@gmail.com', '146.115.50.71', 1, 0, '', 'Yehhhhhh', 'xx', 1);
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	(1348, 28, 21, 1263101054, 19, 4010, 'Re: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 1304437976, 'Xenaero', 'Can we get this moved to the current season as a sticky?', 'xx', 1);
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	(282, 28, 21, 1219703393, 2, 1991, 'Re: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '97.113.108.5', 1, 1277944517, 'mikefails', 'EDIT: I (Ladna) got the screenshot from imageshack, edited it a little to fit the page, and put the image in the post.<br /><br />[URL=http://img696.imageshack.us/i/demoupload.jpg/][IMG]http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/8908/demoupload.jpg[/img][/URL]<br /><br />EDIT: I (mikehail) realized Ladna&#039;s thieved picture had gone down and lacking the old ss, made a new one and reloaded!<br /><br />TRIPLE EDIT:&nbsp; New picture to show the proper auto demo command', 'xx', 1);
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	(4842, 507, 20, 1317552599, 0, 4842, 'Re: IDL Recruiting', 'capodecima', '', '88.103.101.55', 1, 0, '', 'what is core this idea ? you want more noobs from ST for warming-up bench ? go i am here ...&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6381, 622, 17, 1330900748, 157, 6381, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', 'I guess I should just get used to the fact that u guys are massive vaginas.<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(5845, 573, 17, 1326051818, 4, 5845, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '98.250.101.180', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Gilgamesh link=topic=573.msg5844#msg5844 date=1326048379]ex. - I&#039;m the 14th person to join a server and play a few rounds with that team, and now the other team needs to come into the server.&nbsp; I was the &quot;last&quot; person in before that team needs to join, so I must leave.&nbsp; But people have been sitting on green/white the whole time and not helping.&nbsp; Am I the one who has to leave or are they the ones who need to leave?[/quote]<br /><br />You. Those people were in the server waiting patiently for the game to start so they could watch before you ever got there. Just because you helped one of the teams playing practice doesn&#039;t mean you get some sort of special privilege to watch the game over them. All non-participating players in a server (with the exception of the commish) are mere spectators, and as such, should have equal opportunity to watch the game. Which is why the first-come first-serve basis is used.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6147, 562, 20, 1328114006, 8, 6147, 'Re: SCHEDULING INFRACTIONS (PLEASE READ)', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b]Mass Destruction[/b]<br />Three minute power play in effect for MAD vs RRS.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4843, 507, 20, 1317559677, 0, 4843, 'Re: IDL Recruiting', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.244.105', 1, 1317559823, 'Fastidious', '[url=http://www.esreality.com]www.esreality.com[/url] is free to make an account and start posting.&nbsp; You can post journals, news, forum threads and columns.&nbsp; If you really went all out and posted a lot about Doom you&#039;d get Quakers trying it out.&nbsp; The Quake community really lacks many good leagues in North America now.&nbsp; I&#039;ve always wanted to go on a spam Doom on ESR campaign but it&#039;s a lot of work for one person.&nbsp; Quakers love ideas and discussion, (I know I am one) and they&#039;d notice it after a while.&nbsp; I think they&#039;d respond really well if we had guys like the board members, myself, hatred, etc writing articles discussing interesting topics like the parity argument, etc.<br /><br />I&#039;m still planning to interview Higgs hopefully and get his take on the IDL as a recent Quaker to play in it.&nbsp; I think if someone could do a group interview of the IDL board members and get them to post their opinions on various controversial topics it&#039;d be an excellent read.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4889, 513, 20, 1317907613, 10, 4889, 'Re: The best @ doom', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '204.108.244.100', 1, 0, '', 'With the typical dumb response like that, I&#039;m almost inclined to just ban you myself', 'xx', 1);
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	(4793, 504, 17, 1316993830, 216, 4793, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '67.68.32.246', 1, 0, '', 'Y&#039;all can expect me to play again :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(2747, 307, 26, 1287549128, 0, 2747, 'Re: 12-Team Draft Stats + Other', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.248.123', 1, 0, '', 'Interesting, I was going to do some similar stats but I figured 8 vs 12 team seasons and franchises would make it rather meaningless since there were so few directly comparable seasons.&nbsp; However, there does seem to be a few things that stand out to my eyes in these.&nbsp; One is, which everyone probably knows, is that captain skill plays a huge part in how good teams do.&nbsp; If you look at Historical Teams from 12-Team Seasons (PCT) you notice the best PCT teams are all captained by top players.&nbsp; You could say the two exceptions were Stereoface and GhostlyDeath but on both those teams I&#039;m not sure you could give them credit as captains.&nbsp; TSF was all but taken over by Chaindude and I was a shadow captain for PEN in the later half of the season giving them their 4 game winning streak to finish with 6-3-1 overall.<br /><br />It also seemed higher picks overall did better but I&#039;d say franchising and returning captains getting lower picks probably changed these stats a lot to even them out.&nbsp; If you look at just rookie seasons there is a clear trend of weaker captains resulting in uncompetitive IDL teams.&nbsp; The 12 team rookie stats are quite brutal especially showing weaker captains and late picks being a death sentence.<br /><br />Maybe for the good of the league players should be forced to captain if chosen to by the IDL board.&nbsp; Consider it your IDL civic duty for league wellness.&nbsp; Good captains are clearly the single most important part it seems.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7672, 734, 18, 1348801439, 10, 7672, 'Re: Summer 2012 MasterBowl Champions: WAD', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Just wanted to chime in and say that this was likely the most watched title game of all time as well with the server maxed out at 32 people in addition to RottKing&#039;s stream', 'xx', 1);
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	(7617, 276, 26, 1348632635, 4, 7617, 'Re: MasterBowl Winners', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '99.32.168.118', 1, 0, '', '--==MB WINNING TEAMS==--<br />MB I&nbsp; &nbsp;  TDC - [b]Shakal, Cha0tix, Whopper[/b]<br />MB II&nbsp; &nbsp; DCL - [b]Tai, PotentPotables, BloodStrike[/b], EXWizard<br />MB III&nbsp;  TBA - [b]Ralphis, Whiteboy, Climhazzard, MionicDonut[/b]<br />MB IV&nbsp;  RNB - [b]Fastidious, Whiteboy, Gilgamesh[/b], GaX<br />MB V&nbsp; &nbsp; SUC - [b]Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3[/b], Yuna<br />MB VI&nbsp;  SUC - [b]Nostar, PotentPotables, JKist3[/b], Gyrossman<br />MB VII&nbsp; SUC - [b]Ralphis, Nostar, Fastidious[/b], Dew<br />MB VIII BSK - [b]Jenova, ItalianStallion, Saber[/b], Legion<br />MB IX&nbsp;  BSK - [b]Jenova, DevastatioN, RottKing[/b], RedShirt<br />MB X&nbsp; &nbsp; DMR - [b]LordBritish, Nostar, Gyrossman[/b], Bulb<br />MB XI&nbsp;  SGS - [b]Hatred, ItalianStallion, BloodStrike[/b], Killforce<br />MB XII&nbsp; WAD - [b]ItalianStallion, Sabertooth, Nosturi[/b], Shane<br /><br />--==Captains, by Championships==--<br />2 - Jenova<br />2 - Nostar<br />2 - Ralphis<br />1 - Fastidious<br />1 - Hatred<br />1 - ItalianStallion<br />1 - LordBritish<br />1 - Shakal<br />1 - Tai<br /><br />--==Players, by Championships==--<br />4 - Nostar<br />3 - ItalianStallion<br />3 - PotentPotables<br />2 - BloodStrike<br />2 - Fastidious<br />2 - Jenova<br />2 - JKist3<br />2 - Ralphis<br />2 - Saber<br />2 - Whiteboy<br />1 - Cha0tix<br />1 - Climhazzard<br />1 - DevastatioN<br />1 - Gilgamesh<br />1 - Gyrossman<br />1 - Hatred<br />1 - LordBritish<br />1 - MionicDonut<br />1 - Nosturi<br />1 - RottKing<br />1 - Shakal<br />1 - Tai<br />1 - Whopper<br /><br />--==Non-participated Players==--<br />1 - Bulb<br />1 - Dew<br />1 - EXWizard<br />1 - GaX<br />1 - Gyrossman<br />1 - Killforce<br />1 - Legion<br />1 - RedShirt<br />1 - Shane<br />1 - Yuna<br /><br />---<br />Added MB12.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4844, 504, 17, 1317560100, 0, 4844, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.244.105', 1, 0, '', 'IDL just needs to try new things.&nbsp; If it doesn&#039;t work then ditch it next season.&nbsp; If you don&#039;t try things you can&#039;t change.&nbsp; You don&#039;t want to fuck with core things like not having a draft but there are lot of things possible to try.&nbsp; Slight tweaks and small changes can go a long way.&nbsp; What happened to all the talk about ABC ABC CBA?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4846, 508, 16, 1317574229, 213, 4846, 'MOVED: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'This topic has been moved to [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?board=17.0]IDL Discussion[/url].<br /><br />[iurl]http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=504.0[/iurl]', 'moved', 1);
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	(4845, 504, 17, 1317564546, 75, 4845, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4844#msg4844 date=1317560100]<br />You don&#039;t want to fuck with core things like not having a draft but there are lot of things possible to try.&nbsp; Slight tweaks and small changes can go a long way.&nbsp; What happened to all the talk about ABC ABC CBA?<br />[/quote]<br />this semi-straight draft idea can only work if captains stay with their teams. there is no excuse to give a seasoned returning cap two high draft picks just because he took over a flop team.<br /><br />imagine jenova returning to BSK, star taking over DMC and rust stealing KNF from his brother. in the old system that&#039;d mean draft order: #1 star, #2 rust, #3 hate, #4 jen. with applying the changes we made last season it&#039;d be: #1 hate, #2-4 randomized. this could be pretty screwy for the other captains even in snake draft, but giving caps of such caliber a gift of picks, say, #2 and #14? that&#039;s a season killer move.<br /><br />we&#039;ve been throwing another idea around. as someone mentioned, draft is one of the best parts of the season, everyone is scheming and planning and predicting. we could add a virtual 0th draft round where players pick their position in draft in order of their last season&#039;s results. this would add even more tactics to the draft. a legion/goat-type cap could more easily escape the 1/24/25-pick trap that gives him a pissed off superstar and two mediocre players and continues the weak team legacy. he could pick the lovely 12/13/666-pick that returning champions love so much, because it gives you the most control over who you pick for your core squad.<br /><br />the snake itself seems to be the most fair draft, but the way people enter it is often not, so this could help in the chase for the team parity holy grail. of course this would need to happen pretty soon after solidifying captains, no weeklong delays like we have during homefield selection.<br /><br />good idea or not?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4841, 504, 17, 1317549814, 130, 4841, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'I totally agree deww and I didn&#039;t think you were against parity either but you sort of, took both sides in that discussion so you can maybe least pardon the confusion in this case. In talking with Xen today I couldn&#039;t really get a feeling one way of the other. I don&#039;t think he&#039;s against parity, but let&#039;s just skip discussing whether parity is a good thing (and it is in competitive leagues, pretty much unimpeachably) . Let&#039;s instead focus on what the IDL board can do to strive for parity in our league. My prevailing thought is to have dedicated and skilled captains as the only option for IDL. I believe that all captains need both dedication and a relatively high skill level in order for the league to move further toward parity. This presents some problems. First there are not enough people with both of those traits, and the league might have to contract. Second, who decides what is a high skill level and how is that decided.<br /><br />If you guys have any ideas about how the league could achieve greater parity I&#039;d like to hear them. We as a board are apparently having trouble agreeing on the smallest most basic things and your input is more valuable now than ever before.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4792, 504, 17, 1316967065, 235, 4792, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Godsdoomer', 'sean20202@hotmail.com', '98.216.201.83', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ll be here for it. Hope we even have enough to do IDL-R like we did last winter.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4840, 504, 17, 1317547942, 75, 4840, 'Re: Is evenness good for the league?', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4837#msg4837 date=1317518639]<br />As of the last conversation held in #idlb: Mikehail, Dew, and HumanBones said they were against increasing parity.&nbsp; Nostar and I were in favor of increasing parity.&nbsp; Xen ragequit after Ladna compared Half-Life to a movie.<br />[/quote]<br />sigh... i did not say i was against moving towards team parity, i was negatively reacting to your questions like &quot;is all teams at .500 better than half teams at 1.000 and the other at 0.000?&quot; i agree with almost all your points you make here, the discussion in the board chan was ridiculous when we started arguing on abstract terms.<br /><br />the part about xen is correct, though.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4837, 504, 17, 1317518639, 213, 4837, 'Re: Is evenness good for the league?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4836#msg4836 date=1317515471]Who is against more parity?[/quote]<br /><br />As of the last conversation held in #idlb: Mikehail, Dew, and HumanBones said they were against increasing parity.&nbsp; Nostar and I were in favor of increasing parity.&nbsp; Xen ragequit after Ladna compared Half-Life to a movie.&nbsp; Even if he were in favor of increasing parity, HumanBones can veto any regular majority vote to promote it.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4836#msg4836 date=1317515471]IDL ethos is ingrained with promoting and striving for parity...[/quote]<br /><br />I think you are correct:<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=207.msg1786#msg1786 date=1273422090]Can the league do more to attempt to move towards every team having a .500 record? Presumably, and this is always our goal.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4836#msg4836 date=1317515471]...why is there a backlash against more now?[/quote]<br /><br />Honestly, I do not know.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4888, 513, 20, 1317884171, 158, 4888, 'Re: Jenova''s Grievances', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.161.113', 1, 0, '', 'I sat down at my desk this morning, reminiscing about my life. I thought back to all the time I spent being the best at doom, and then it hit me. I&#039;m the best in doom. Fuck yeah.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6148, 602, 18, 1328114209, 8, 6153, 'Week 5 Gametimes', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1328212107, 'HumanBones', 'This week&#039;s map is map08. We also have a rare Wednesday game this week, so don&#039;t miss out tonight!<br /><br />WAD vs KGB: Wednesday @ 9:00pm<br />KNF vs TCB: Thursday @ 9:00pm<br />PDU vs PBH: Friday @ 8:00pm<br />SUC vs SGS: Saturday @ 1:00am (Friday midnight 60!)<br />RRS vs MAD: Saturday @ 1:00pm<br />CTB vs BBC: Sunday @ 6:00pm<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4903, 510, 17, 1317928409, 8, 4903, 'Re: Even teams', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '99.25.119.219', 1, 0, '', 'I could not have said it better myself.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6382, 622, 17, 1330901186, 10, 6382, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=622.msg6379#msg6379 date=1330897817]<br />I play st far more than you do nowadays. it is quite fun if you put some sort of effort in.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Um I just entered UD into a clan tournament two months ago in which we dominated so hard that every other single clan involved disintegrated into a pile of ashes', 'xx', 1);
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	(7618, 731, 22, 1348632727, 0, 7618, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'Soul Sucka', '', '201.22.33.122', 1, 0, '', 'I agree with Tenchu, that was heartbreaking! It&#039;s just as Jenova predicted.<br /><br />Awesome MB though, would watch again!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4830, 504, 17, 1317446961, 163, 4830, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote=&quot;mikehail&quot;]The more I think about parity, the more I think it isn&#039;t a good goal for the league.&nbsp; The more you approach parity, the more random the results of games are, which some may say is good, but also reduces the amount of upsets which take place in the league, simply by virtue of what parity means.&nbsp; Nobody will ever remember how KNF beat BSK on a map nobody believed in us on (not even nostar I think, and he is pretty believing in me).&nbsp; Is this really a good thing?&nbsp; I am not convinced it is for a few reasons:[/quote]<br /><br />I completely disagree with this entirely. I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m saying this but I actually agree with Fast on this one mostly. But you point out that parity is bad and all I can say is, look at Winter 2011, the season KNF beat BSK. That was one of the most balanced seasons we&#039;ve had I think. Most teams were capable of beating anybody on any given match. You had closer matches in the regular season and post-season. So in terms of specific examples, we had the most exciting post-season we&#039;ve had in quite some time that season. I think only one round was decided in 2 games? We actually had two matches go into extra rounds that season, too. Were there any &quot;real upsets?&quot; It depends. I would have definitely not picked BSK to beat BBC on map04 but they did, but I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s an &quot;upset.&quot; <br /><br />Generally, I see upsets as being very bad teams beating very good teams - not the play-off team not favored to win coming through. There are examples of worse-off playoff teams making some noise but regardless of what you have, parity or not, those tend to be rare. And usually the upsets occur because somebody totally botches on a homefield map (see SUC on map01 this past season; and in terms of record, DMR over TKV). Still, it&#039;s all debatable, that&#039;s for sure.&nbsp; <br /><br />Like I&#039;ve said for two years now, it&#039;s a matter of talent plain and simple. I could have been better off drafting Collision over Mobius if I was willing to take the chance of drafting somebody who is notorious for not showing up. I didn&#039;t and that pretty much cost me my season. But even if I did pick Collision, somebody was going to be in that position to make the decision I had to and come out with the short end of the stick. It&#039;s going to happen, it&#039;s totally inevitable. There will be bad teams and there will be good teams, I&#039;m not arguing that. As I said, I just prefer to have more depth in the draft and not have to take risks like that. If I do, I do - so be it. I think you&#039;re just being difficult for the sake of it here, Mike. I mean, you&#039;d rather be on a team with you Strangle and Collision rather than be on a team with Nostar and Midian? That&#039;s crazy talk! I still love you though. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4824, 504, 17, 1317405953, 214, 4824, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.187.78', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=504.msg4816#msg4816 date=1317386264]<br />hey before I go to work just a quick post<br /><br />if you don&#039;t sign up you&#039;re either dead or a coward<br />[/quote]<br />Yes because we&#039;re all unemployed school teachers who don&#039;t have anything relevant going on in our lives that would interfere with our commitment to the IDL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4821, 504, 17, 1317401542, 147, 4821, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'i make playoffs every year', 'xx', 1);
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	(6383, 622, 17, 1330901552, 157, 6383, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', 'maybe if you guys played a bit more than say once a century that would hold water', 'xx', 1);
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	(4816, 504, 17, 1317386264, 157, 4816, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.61', 1, 0, '', 'hey before I go to work just a quick post<br /><br />if you don&#039;t sign up you&#039;re either dead or a coward', 'xx', 1);
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	(4814, 504, 17, 1317355688, 15, 4814, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '174.89.164.217', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;d have to agree with Hatred.&nbsp; Although I haven&#039;t ever been in his kind of situations, I can imagine that it would be horrible.&nbsp; All the excitement to be on a new team for a new season, just to find out that your team pretty much rests on your shoulders because of a weak player base must be awful.&nbsp; Especially last season where it felt that a lot of teams had really good thirds and others didn&#039;t.&nbsp; It&#039;s like being on a bad team in Priv, but it lasts 9 weeks. :(<br /><br />I was looking towards not participating this season, maybe take a break, much like my intentions last season.&nbsp; If [again] players are unwilling to sign up because a lack of talent in the league, I will join. If there&#039;s enough, I&#039;ll sit out a season.&nbsp; Although captaining is out of the question.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5846, 573, 17, 1326056853, 16, 5846, 'Re: Spectator Spot Disputes', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=higgs link=topic=573.msg5833#msg5833 date=1325934264]<br />I didn&#039;t read much of this thread but I&#039;m toying around with the idea of streaming some stuff once my new rig is operational. I have to give my new PC a purpose after all, who buys a quad core to play 20 year old games? :)<br /><br />I&#039;ve never done it before, but I know lots who have. Just a matter of reading up on it and asking them how to go about it the best way. It&#039;ll give me something to do at night when everyone&#039;s asleep &gt;:|<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Considering the clear, underlying issues with who actually deserves to be in the server, I can only encourage anyone who&#039;s considering streaming to go for it, without question.<br /><br />Killingblair has already been mentioned, but I believe RussianDumbass can also help you in streaming, I remember doing a match with him, way back when. <br /><br />It&#039;s clear streamers are in demand. If you think you can do it and want to, who&#039;s gonna say no? : D', 'xx', 1);
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	(6691, 622, 17, 1335107748, 8, 6691, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Where we are right now: I&#039;m just doing some things on my own, and then I&#039;m going to have some talks with Mass to see how he feels about everything I&#039;ve done so far. I know he is always thinking and planning as well so I&#039;d like to get on the same page, but I think things are turning out nicely. Then I will make a nice post with Summer details. I didn&#039;t intend on being this quiet, but even I get worn out sometimes :)<br /><br />Hoping to bring everyone up to speed within the next week or so. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7436, 723, 22, 1346554980, 7, 7436, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.96.209', 1, 0, '', 'You would never see someone from UD do what Tosen has done.&nbsp; Why, you ask?&nbsp; Because whenever it happens, Ralphis uses the UD time machine to go back in time and [b]stab their mother in the balls[/b] before she conceives, thus altering the timeline.<br /><br />UD ON TOP', 'xx', 1);
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	(7619, 731, 22, 1348632988, 19, 7619, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'Although unsurprising, still pretty hilarious Tai played in every season so far start to finish and still doesn&#039;t know the playoff games&#039; win conditions.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2562, 286, 26, 1284447508, 0, 2562, 'Most stats across all seasons', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.101.170', 1, 0, '', 'This is not every stat but most of the important ones and interesting ones.&nbsp; It has all 8 seasons and all players AFAIK.&nbsp; I am going to update more of it and then tally up stats for everyone individually across all seasons.&nbsp; Hopefully someone will do some analysis on it, etc...<br /><br />', 'clip', 1);
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	(8914, 877, 29, 1366322415, 214, 8914, 'Re: April ''13 Mayhem Tournament', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '67.226.16.123', 1, 0, '', 'Just a heads up for those who have been wondering. I&#039;ve been quite busy this month and more so than I thought I would be. However, there is still plenty of time left before May comes and I&#039;ll be looking to fit in some FFA matches before the 30th. I&#039;ll be home tonight around 9:30PM EST and I&#039;ll call for some players if anyone is going to be around. First match will still be exec.wad. So keep a look out for those wonderful irc highlights.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4807, 504, 17, 1317271391, 163, 4807, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'I plan on signing up if I have the time and if it&#039;s not a watered down league. I&#039;m not saying I want the first round draft choices to go as follows: Chewy, Whiteboy, Nostar, Jenova, Chaindude, Cha0tix, Rus, Stallion, etc. But I am saying I don&#039;t want to have to pick between Mobius, who is active and willing to play and practice whenever but is certainly less skilled by far or Coll and Noob, two players who are notorious for no-showing or just not being dedicated. Guess what? I was in that position and it sucks. You and LB were too, guess what? Both of you got rid of them (the irony is I took on noob hoping I could groom him and get the fragging power I desperately needed but like my mother always said: you can&#039;t fix stupid). Guess what that did for you? It got you to the conference finals. Do I blame you for being in that draft position to begin with? Do I blame the fact that the draft was changed days before the draft? Do I blame the IDL in general? No to all of the above. The bottom line is, I&#039;m a competitor and I don&#039;t ever want to be in that situation again. Just like when I was drafted #2 overall with Goatface and had Quiksilver as our 3rd, call me a coward, call me whatever you want but let&#039;s see how much love you&#039;ll have for the IDL when you&#039;re constantly losing 5-0. That&#039;s why I&#039;m very hesitant to ever enter the draft again. I don&#039;t want to get picked by some moron who can barely walk and talk and at the same time and have to go into carry mode just to keep my team in the game. The bottom line is, nobody wants to take the risk of being on a very bad team. So you can make all of these encouragement posts and claims all you want but let me ask you something: would you jump into a pool not knowing what&#039;s in it? The water looks dirty, something big appears to be moving around and you see bones floating galore. Tell me you wouldn&#039;t want to fully know and understand what you&#039;ll be diving into. I can say with the utmost certainty that most people wouldn&#039;t jump without knowing. But anyway, I responded to your other thread and gave a deeper explanation of how I feel about the league and what can be done from my vantage point, I&#039;m only directly responding to you here to respond to your post.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4802, 504, 17, 1317228335, 213, 4803, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 1317229371, 'MassVC', 'Why?<br /><br />I understand where you&#039;re coming from: you want to play in a league with people you know and like, not Mobius and Dawsonation.&nbsp; You want to play in a league with talented players who can possibly match your skill level in CTF, not Mobius and Dawsonation.&nbsp; I knew what you were doing when you started this thread.&nbsp; You wanted to see if the other great players were signing up so you could decide if you were signing up too.&nbsp; But, as my half-serious encouragement did not reveal, this sort of attitude pisses me off.<br /><br />This fucking I&#039;m-not-jumping-in-the-pool-until-everybody-else-jumps-in-the-pool mentality that everybody has is killing IDL.&nbsp; Why?&nbsp; Because NOBODY JUMPS IN THE POOL.&nbsp; (See: [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_of_responsibility]Diffusion of Responsibility[/url] and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoner&#039;s_dilemma]The Prisoner&#039;s Dilemma[/url] where signing up is akin to keeping your mouth shut.)&nbsp; I hear so many great players say that: I won&#039;t join until the other great players do.&nbsp; Since none of them takes the other&#039;s word for it, nobody signs up!&nbsp; If, instead, they would just sign up, everybody would have what they want!<br /><br />Denny, Darkangel, Metalblack, Whopper, Ghoulslayer, Kyte, Yuna,&nbsp; Wrath, NationalCamper, Kandy, Juggalo, Rosebird, ExWizard, theotherme, Takane, the list goes on, aren&#039;t signing up as far as I know, nor have I heard from them in some time.&nbsp; If any of you could get them to sign up, that would be great, but I&#039;m not holding out.&nbsp; On the other hand, the players I previously mentioned (except Denny) are here and ready to play if you give them some encouragement.<br /><br />What you&#039;re doing is not encouragement; it is holding yourself hostage, and it is hurting the league.&nbsp; What you should do instead is say, &quot;Yes, I am signing up!&quot; And then pm all of your friends and demand that they sign up too.&nbsp; If they don&#039;t, we can just cancel IDL!&nbsp; Because the less cowardly good players also don&#039;t want to play in a league of nobodies.&nbsp; Of course, I will also sign up and encourage people to play, but I am an aliaser and nobody knows who I am, so my presence doesn&#039;t carry much weight.<br /><br />One reason why I&#039;m saying all of this is because this strategy won&#039;t work.&nbsp; It&#039;s not going to be like last season.&nbsp; We&#039;re all going to sign up or confirm our invites, then there will be a deadline.&nbsp; After the deadline, [b]no new players will be accepted[/b].&nbsp; Well after this we will announce how many teams there will be, who the captains are, and what the draft order is.&nbsp; Well after that we will have a draft.&nbsp; Chewy won&#039;t sign up the day of the draft, and Blair won&#039;t sign up during the draft.&nbsp; I sincerely hope both of them sign up for this season, as they are both incredible players, but they&#039;ll have to do it when everyone else does.&nbsp; This means that if Chewy confirms his invite 2 minutes before the deadline, you won&#039;t have time to confirm your own (based on his confirmation) before the deadline.&nbsp; Of course, I expect we will be lenient with the precise minute of the deadline (by several hours in fact, but not by several weeks).&nbsp; By the time we all wake up and look at the list, it will be over.&nbsp; Of course, because everybody is playing this game, he&#039;s not going to sign up in the first place, so neither will you.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4801, 504, 17, 1317182422, 163, 4801, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4797#msg4797 date=1317133303]<br />Of course I&#039;m playing!&nbsp; But I won&#039;t be a captain.<br /><br />Some of the big names we&#039;ve seen around the campfire (absent from last season) are Whiteboy, Chaindude, Cha0tix with internet, TheVarian, Doomguy666, Metalhead, Oath, Fastidious, and Denny if he can ever forgive Ladna for breaking his heart.&nbsp; The question is, will they sign up and help this to be the greatest idl season in history, or will they disappoint the league forever.&nbsp; Only your nagging friendship will sway them.<br /><br />What about you, Hatred.&nbsp; Are you signing up?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />As of now, I would say it&#039;s probably 75/25 yes but it depends on who signs up. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4800, 504, 17, 1317172400, 11, 4800, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '76.198.242.31', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ll be there. I&#039;ve missed being in the IDL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4799, 504, 17, 1317151687, 130, 4799, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'Josh needs nugz', 'xx', 1);
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	(4798, 504, 17, 1317146979, 3, 4798, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'I could pull some strings as usual, but for a price. We&#039;ll negotiate the terms when the time comes.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4797, 504, 17, 1317133303, 213, 4797, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'Of course I&#039;m playing!&nbsp; But I won&#039;t be a captain.<br /><br />Some of the big names we&#039;ve seen around the campfire (absent from last season) are Whiteboy, Chaindude, Cha0tix with internet, TheVarian, Doomguy666, Metalhead, Oath, Fastidious, and Denny if he can ever forgive Ladna for breaking his heart.&nbsp; The question is, will they sign up and help this to be the greatest idl season in history, or will they disappoint the league forever.&nbsp; Only your nagging friendship will sway them.<br /><br />What about you, Hatred.&nbsp; Are you signing up?<br /><br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4796, 504, 17, 1317050256, 147, 4796, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '141.110.189.29', 1, 0, '', 'i&#039;m not gonna cop out after a mb win', 'xx', 1);
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	(4847, 507, 20, 1317582846, 163, 4847, 'Re: IDL Recruiting', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=capodecima link=topic=507.msg4842#msg4842 date=1317552599]<br />what is core this idea ? you want more noobs from ST for warming-up bench ? go i am here ... <br />[/quote]<br /><br />While ST generally doesn&#039;t produce a lot of high quality players, there is the exception with guys like Jenova. And Junior has been up-and-coming recently (btw Junior, please sign up again) with long term guys like Legion and a few others who&#039;ve made decent contributions to IDL teams. It&#039;s not to say we&#039;re looking for the next Jenova but there is a slight chance that perhaps going from both ST/ZD we could find some decent players. There&#039;s also the idea of getting enough sign-ups to possibly restart the IDL-R, which could be good for the future of the league. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4849, 507, 20, 1317613861, 8, 4849, 'Re: IDL Recruiting', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '99.54.11.148', 1, 0, '', 'Although I only grant interviews to Quik, I am all for advertisement! Advertise away. You should even post on the ZD forums. + I do think that ST priv is harboring some pretty decent players, so that would be the ideal place to do it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4850, 507, 20, 1317615996, 214, 4850, 'Re: IDL Recruiting', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.71.126.224', 1, 0, '', '[quote=hatred]While ST generally doesn&#039;t produce a lot of high quality players, there is the exception with guys like Jenova.[/quote]<br />Jenova started off in ZD before Raider disposed of him. Your point is null.<br /><br />[quote=boner]I do think that ST priv is harboring some pretty decent players, so that would be the ideal place to do it.[/quote]<br />While this is partly true quite a bit of them wouldn&#039;t play zd for trivial reasons like red screen or no opengl. However, I do agree though that it is worth a shot. In addition to writing articles and doing interviews, perhaps we can get some highlight videos or propaganda videos going. Now that 10 years have passed by, we can finally fast-forward, rewind and pause demos which should ease the video making process.<br /><br />If all else fails, we can always reach out to the South American community.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5848, 567, 20, 1326067519, 22, 5848, 'Re: Week 1 (JAN 2 -  JAN 8) : ZDE19 (MAP29) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '184.145.56.238', 1, 0, '', 'and by TCB i mean CTB of course, damn crack!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4848, 504, 17, 1317589306, 0, 4848, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.244.105', 1, 0, '', 'I like people picking their draft spot but it goes back to the same problem which ABC ABC CBA would have.&nbsp; How do you decide what order captains go in?&nbsp; It seems to me there is only really one way, you have to rank them somehow.&nbsp; Each season captains are different, some stay, some old captains return, and some are new so since it&#039;s always a different group you need to adjust to the new group each time.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6165, 604, 20, 1328560133, 216, 6165, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '130.63.213.16', 1, 0, '', '[b]Philanthropic Blowhards vs Ricochet Rockets[/b]<br />I see RRS having trouble figuring out who plays what on this map. It will take them some time to decide who plays each position, and where to play each position. Fortunately, they are facing PBH, who will have troubles of their own. I think LB will win one round, but RR will take the match.<br /><br />2-1 RR<br /><br />[b]The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />Both teams are coming off a disappointing loss and hope to rebound against their divisional rival. I predict Nosturi being a really good runner here (on a side note, one of his flags last week was a DEFINITE play of the season, if anyone is making a compilation or something). MAD on the other. I also have a feeling that xen can be quite the force here on D, and DG can be quite the force on mid. It will be interesting to see how this game will turn out. I&#039;ll give the game to MAD in 3.<br /><br />MAD 2-1<br /><br /><br />[b]Super Chargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />This is probably the game of the week. SUC just came short of a win last week, and looks to get one this week. I predict monster ralph vs monster nostar clashing in an exciting game. In the end though, SUC will come up short, and WAD will earn another W.<br /><br />WAD 2-1<br /><br />[b]Plasma Dicks United vs Super Shotgun Spurs (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />I don&#039;t see PDU having much of a chance at all against sgs. However I will look forward to turska stealing some flags from stall!<br /><br />SGS 2-0<br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Fnordy Niners (DIV)[/b]<br /> ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? <br /><br /><br />[b]Contrabanned vs Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />Bones is really good on D here. In order to win, dev needs to control the mid area and wait patiently for shadow to bring in flags. I&#039;m not sure how tai/ blair will play here, but I predict blair being back on D, like he was in week 3 (and 4? i dont remember). I&#039;ll give CTB the win because of bones&#039; superb defense.<br /><br />CTB 2-1<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7935, 762, 25, 1355701448, 235, 7935, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Godsdoomer', 'sean20202@hotmail.com', '98.217.93.72', 1, 0, '', 'It is very obvious that alot of players do not like playing the league in odachex. The fact that the decision was simply [b]made[/b] by the board on behalf of the leagues community has only served to kindle anger and confusion amongst the players.<br /><br />Odamex [b]is[/b] a problem because of this, but I think part of the problem is the lack of community input prior to the decision to move to oda was made. I am sure that quite a few players would of been [b]more[/b] than happy continuing to improve their skill in ZD.<br /><br />The point im trying to get at is that some sort of community input should have been collected, but since we are passed that point, its probably a good idea to get community [b]feedback[/b]. To disregard those who dislike ZD as nostalgic idiocentric players is bull. <br /><br />We shouldent need to re learn how to ride a bicycle.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6385, 624, 20, 1330969258, 163, 6385, 'Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.209.72', 1, 1330969381, 'Hatred', 'Welcome to the finish line, folks. The Winter IDL 2012 season has been completed. Congratulations to the Super Shotgun Spurs, We&#039;re All Doomed, Super Chargers and Killingbrowns for advancing to the post season in the IDC! Congratulations to the Brokeback Cowboys, Mass Destruction, Ricochet Rockets and Fnordy Niners for advancing to the post season in the WDC. Best of luck in the tournament, gentlemen. ;)<br /><br />With that said, it&#039;s time we start discussing awards. The first thing I want to point out is that this thread is in no way, shape or form an official ballot. The only true, historically maintained award is the MVP. The rest are just based on community discussion. Regardless, being praised by your peers is an awesome thing so while it&#039;s not official, it&#039;s still a pretty cool thing to be appreciated by the community. Let&#039;s begin:<br /><br />Captain of the year:<br /><br />Here are my top 3 candidates in no particular order: Ralphis, ThatsJustPrime and Strangle. <br /><br />Ralphis, SUC:<br /><br />While there were some players calling SUC&#039;s roster mediocre at best, I still believe most people thought this team would do okay. It certainly wasn&#039;t the power it typically has been in the past but they were no push-overs either. With constantly having to shuffle his roster game after game, Ralph&#039;s Superchargers were right there with their opponent&#039;s in every loss and tie. They were never swept in a loss and are possibly a few plays away from being the #1 seed in the IDC. Ralph was a man on fire this season and carried the load when his players weren&#039;t always performing. His endless work ethic to improve his team&#039;s abilities and chances is remarkable. Regardless, with a weaker SUC team in recent memories as well as the presence of SGS and WAD, SUC was a fun team to watch. Good job, Ralph!<br /><br /><br />ThatsJustPrime, BBC:<br /><br />Like Ralphis, Prime didn&#039;t have any superstars on his team. At least, not top 5 worthy. While Gyross was a great addition and probably the strongest player he had, it was apparent after a few weeks he wasn&#039;t going to be around. Having your number 1 pick bail and being forced to win with a 3rd who has hardly seen any IDL gametime is pretty impressive. To do that [b]and[/b] lock up the number 1 seed in your conference? Incredible. Prime manned up this season and was lights out. This was his best season (probably not statistically) by far. He has a great chance to make a good post season run with the #1 seed and perhaps he&#039;ll make a return appearance to the masterbowl. <br /><br />Strangle, KNF:&nbsp; &nbsp;  <br /><br />Probably the long-shot of the group but what Strangle did this season was impressive. Having Whiteboy is a pretty cool thing but Strangle made everyone scratch their head when he drafted Legion. Give credit where credit is due, Strangle had faith in Legion and Legion was a baller this season. The scary part is, if White actually cared a little more and practiced more often, this team could have been even better. Regardless, given the preseason predictions, Strangle exceeded expectations (just want to point out I said this team would make the post season!!). Good job, Strangle!<br /><br />All 3 of these captains are examples of what make good IDL captains. They are responsible, committed and have a desire to win, improve and to simply enjoy the game. My personal feeling for Strangle is that having Whiteboy probably eliminates his chances. Ralph and Prime didn&#039;t have a true superstar and Ralph is Ralph, so....my vote goes with Prime. His team was predicted to be basement dwellers in their conference, his #1 overall pick bailed and he still managed to win the #1 seed. So...<br /><br />IDL Captain of the Year, Winter2012: ThatsJustPrime!!!<br /><br />Comeback/Breakout player of the year:<br /><br />To be honest, this will seem bias but in my mind it&#039;s pretty simple. Out of all the people you could nominate, who would you select over Bloodstrike? He came out of nowhere to have his best year ever as a player. His contributions helped build the best regular season record in the league for SGS. I&#039;ve never run but manged 50+ caps with him backing me up. And to even further prove my point, I&#039;ll say this: Junior had 30+ caps last season, this season he didn&#039;t even crack 20. Last season he had Bloodstrike and I suspect Blood probably made him look much better than he really is, much the same way he has done for me. Not really totally relevant but something worth note, I believe. Anywho, if someone can rival this, I&#039;m interested in hearing!!!<br /><br />Comeback/Breakout player of the Year: Bloodstrike<br /><br />Ralph Vickers&#039; Just for Men MVP, Winter 2012:<br /><br />This list is very exclusive but I believe it&#039;s worth mentioning more names than people realize. Ralph and Prime, two of the captain of the year candidates, were awesome. And in fact, without these two players, their teams would be like PBH: probably winless. I know I&#039;ve been mentioned and while I jokingly predicted that I&#039;d win the award, I seriously don&#039;t want to toot my own horn here. Chaindude is definitely worthy of discussion. 64 captures in one season has to be a new record. But, there&#039;s part of me that hates selecting guys on stacked teams. The question is, for players like Chaindude and I, would we be doing this on less-talented teams? And were our contributions the highlight of our teams? I&#039;m not even sure either of us are the best players on our teams, so I don&#039;t know where I stand on that. But since Prime won the captain of the year award and exceeded expectations there, I&#039;m hesitant to give him the MVP nod. Stats do matter and thing he tops out in are flag returns. Ralph has fragged it up, gotten a respectable 19 captures and has been the sole reason for why his team made it this far. He&#039;s played practically every position for SUC and in my mind, has the stats necessary to be considered for MVP. My vote would go to him but this is something the board will determine. Nonetheless, my 2012 Winter MVP is Ralphis!<br /><br />Ralph Vickers&#039; Just For Men Winter2012 MVP is none other than, well, RALPH!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7438, 723, 22, 1346556790, 158, 7438, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '68.168.212.106', 1, 1346556901, 'Jenova', 'That is most likely because I didn&#039;t ruin the game for 20+ players during a [b]tournament match[/b]. Instead, I happened to ddos you, while you happened to be playing doom. Hell, you could have been playing hello kitty online for all I care for.<br /><br />Also, there are not a lot of people that like you, and probably less now that you are defending this idiot.<br /><br />On that note, using your logic, I shouldn&#039;t have even been banned from Grandvoid, because I mean hey, I didn&#039;t ddos you while you were on Grandvoid! Great logic!<br /><br />To add to that, you should technically also have had no right to cry about me hosting the IDL servers because I didn&#039;t ddos you on there either! Wow damn, now I&#039;m starting to question if I should have been banned in the first place!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7620, 734, 18, 1348633509, 8, 7620, 'Summer 2012 MasterBowl Champions: WAD', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Congratulations to ItalianStallion, Sabertooth, Nosturi, and Shane for winning the MB tonight against SXP on map12! It clocks in at the longest MasterBowl to date AND the longest IDL game in history. Although I am disappointed I did not win, WAD played their hearts out and deserved to take it home. It could not have gone to a classier group of guys. Very GGs!<br /><br />I&#039;d also like to thank all the captains and players and outside contributors who made this season possible. I hope to see you again this winter, and stay tuned for some fun offseason events!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6395, 627, 18, 1331042006, 19, 6395, 'Re: Promo Vid - Winter 2012 Regular Season', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.231.24', 1, 0, '', 'Sure it does. There were a fair number of good individual plays made this season, if I included everyone I wanted it would be a full length feature. So I picked some of the more sensational plays that make sense for a promo vid. What would be the very best plays according to you?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4851, 504, 17, 1317622611, 163, 4851, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'In terms of actual draft system discussion, the snake draft is the best option. If we were all more dedicated and willing to play in a franchise-like system, with plenty of talent to go around I should add, I could see a scenario of a straight draft working then. Because then if you have a bad season, you could franchise your best player and get a good pick next season. But nobody is that active anymore or willing to commit that kind of time. <br /><br />As it stands, the current system is perfectly fine. Altering the draft order probably isn&#039;t a good idea unless you do it and release draft orders/captains/teams first so nobody feels like they get shafted from a certain pick dating back to what they would have had based on how their team finished last season. Or at least do it in a more timely manner. But if anything, if we get a turn-out of new captains galore, I could see why wanting to change the order would be warranted. If the majority of them are all brand new, I&#039;d say randomize the selection if anything. <br /><br />But as I&#039;ve said in my other thread, I don&#039;t think we should spend so much time worrying about how we can change the system to benefit a few players. We should really put our efforts into getting more sign-ups, and if possible, get the best quality sign-ups we can. There&#039;s no guarantee we&#039;ll get a deep draft but even if we don&#039;t, the snake system is probably best still. Also, kuddos to mass for moving this thread to IDL Discussion so it doesn&#039;t fizzle out.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4852, 507, 20, 1317633498, 75, 4852, 'Re: IDL Recruiting', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=RustInPeace link=topic=507.msg4850#msg4850 date=1317615996]<br />[quote=hatred]While ST generally doesn&#039;t produce a lot of high quality players, there is the exception with guys like Jenova.[/quote]<br />Jenova started off in ZD before Raider disposed of him. Your point is null.[/quote]<br />you mean before he got banned for cheating.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6693, 652, 21, 1335192538, 8, 6693, 'Week 3 (Apr 23 - Apr 29) - ZDECTF01 (Map20) - Discussion and Results', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=4][b]Official Servers for Week 3 of IDL-R Spring 2012[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b](TotalTrash Chicago)[/b]<br />[color=red][IDL-R Week 3 - MAP20 - A][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][IDL-R&nbsp; Week 3 - MAP20 - B][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][IDL-R Week 3 - MAP20 - C][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][IDL-R Week 3 - MAP20 - D][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />Moon Dolphins vs Gotcha! City Goofballs<br /><br />Chaingun Rangers vs Boxers and Dooming<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]<br /><br />To see the scores from last weeks match, visit [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=644.0]Spring 2012 Schedule[/url].<br />To see the standings, visit [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=648.0]IDL-R Spring 2012 Standings[/url].', 'xx', 1);
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	(5849, 574, 20, 1326093519, 163, 5849, 'Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.135.214', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=5][b]Official Servers for Week 2 of IDL Winter 2012[/b][/size]<br />[color=red]<br />[International Doom League Week 2 - MAP06 - A][/color]<br />[b]96.8.121.196:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP06 - B][/color]<br />[b]96.8.121.196:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP06 - C][/color]<br />[b]96.8.121.196:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP06 - D][/color]<br />[b]96.8.121.196:11025[/b]<br /><br /><br />[b]Official Alternative (POWERHOUSE: Montreal)[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP06 - A[/color]<br />[b]70.38.121.52:27002[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP06 - B[/color]<br />[b]70.38.121.52:27003[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />Super Shotgun Spurs vs KillingBrowns (DIV)<br /><br />SuperChargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed (DIV)<br /><br />The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction (DIV)<br /><br />Ricochet Rockets vs Fnordy Niners (DIV)<br /><br />Plasma Dicks United vs Brokeback Cowboys (ICF)<br /><br />Contraband vs Philanthropic Blowhards (ICF)<br /><br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6166, 604, 20, 1328623862, 4, 6184, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '98.250.101.180', 1, 1328884545, 'Tenchu', 'Short and sweet this week.<br /><br />[i]Philanthropic Blowhards (0-5-0)[/i] vs [b]Ricochet Rockets (3-1-1)[/b]<br />[i]LB, Gyross, MadV, Mobius[/i] vs [b]Rust, Gilga, Mass, Reck[/b]<br /><br />Even if Gyross really didn&#039;t ragequit Doom, it&#039;s still not going to save PBH.<br /><br />RRS 2-0<br /><br />[i]The Cult of Bestism (1-3-1)[/i] vs [b]Mass Destruction (2-3-0)[/b]<br />[i]Saber, Jake, Nosturi, Blue[/i] vs [b]DG, Xen, Xyl, Dew[/b]<br /><br />I really want both teams to win here, and on this map I&#039;m having a hard time predicting who will take the win home. I really like Saber and Jake&#039;s defense, but this map doesn&#039;t utilize the conventional defensive set. I&#039;m gonna say MAD does well with Dew here and earns the win.<br /><br />MAD 2-1<br /><br />[i]Super Chargers (2-1-2)[/i] vs [b]We&#039;re All Doomed (4-1-0)[/b]<br />[i]Ralph, Oath, Tony, Del[/i] vs [b]Star, Chain, Shak, Fast[/b]<br /><br />Game of the week, definitely. While SUC has proved their worth by tying SGS last week, I don&#039;t think they&#039;re going to do as well on this lesser-played map and the more powerful WAD will take their fifth straight win home this week.<br /><br />WAD 2-0<br /><br />[i]Plasma Dicks United (1-4-0)[/i] vs [b]Super Shotgun Spurs (4-0-1)[/b]<br />[i]Rus, TurSKA, Ladna, Cecil[/i] vs [b]Hate, Stall, KF, Blood[/b]<br /><br />SGS is furious that SUC prevented them from attaining their perfect season trophy last week and are going to take it out on PDU.<br /><br />SGS 2-0<br /><br />[i]Brokeback Cowboys (3-2-0)[/i] vs [b]Fnordy Niners (3-2-0)[/b]<br />[i]Prime, Mantis, Armour, Hero[/i] vs [b]Strangle, Whiteboy, Legion, WhiteMike[/b]<br /><br />After doing as good as they have this far, I don&#039;t think KNF are underdogs anymore. KNF has better offense while maintaining solid defense. KNF achieves win #4 this week.<br /><br />KNF 2-1<br /><br />[i]Contrabanned (1-3-1)[/i] vs [b]Killing Browns (3-2-0)[/b]<br />[i]Bones, Dev, Donut, Denny[/i] vs [b]Tai, Blair, Junior, Null[/b]<br /><br />CTB has been a rather disappointing team so far this season, and I don&#039;t see this map helping them too much. I see Blair taking the spotlight here by playing excellent mid/support to Junior while Tai locks down D.<br /><br />KGB 2-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(4856, 504, 17, 1317668334, 213, 4856, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'Everyone who says that getting more players or that convincing more skilled and responsible people to be captains is more important than revising the draft is correct.&nbsp; Not a moment of recruitment time should be sacrificed for the sake of draft revision, or anything else I can think of for that matter.&nbsp; More on this in the other thread.<br /><br />However, if anyone wants to think about the draft, there are three distinct issues to consider:<br /><br />1.&nbsp; Draft Order<br /><br />Independent of the format, we need to decide who &quot;goes first.&quot; In my opinion the various choices fall on a continuum from least parity and most of what people are calling fair, to most parity and what people are calling even.<br /><br />First, we could have a completely random order.&nbsp; This would be the most fair since it wouldn&#039;t prefer any captain over any other, and this is how the draft was originally ordered if I am not mistaken.<br /><br />If the draft is anything other than random, we have to give preference to some captains over others based on some metric (I use &quot;metric&quot; loosely here).&nbsp; Thus, every nonrandom draft is unfair in some way, but to varying degrees.&nbsp; This metric could be number of months having played zd ascending, player age, W/L record of the clan they&#039;re in, whatever.&nbsp; Right now we use past season record ascending.&nbsp; The benefit of these systems is that, if they can accurately judge a captain&#039;s skill level (as a player and as a captain), then we can order the draft to compensate for more unskilled and more skilled captains so that we can have a more even league.&nbsp; When this idea was introduced, it was praised by almost everyone.<br /><br />If you don&#039;t think that captain skill should be compensated for, and that all captains should be treated equally, then consistently you must support a random draft and cannot support the current system.&nbsp; If you support the current system, then consistently you must believe that captain skill should be compensated for.&nbsp; After that, the question is how best to do it.<br /><br />Other metrics may be more accurate gauges of captain skill level.&nbsp; One option we have discussed is the captain&#039;s total past record.&nbsp; This way, if somebody has a bad season, they are not considered a bad captain in the next season (and given a preferential draft spot).&nbsp; In my opinion, this is a more accurate gauge of captain skill.&nbsp; Arguments against this are that captain&#039;s improve over time, and we should not take into account what happened 4 years ago, etc.<br /><br />I believe that a captain&#039;s total player record is an even better gauge of his skill because I think playing ability factors more into a captain&#039;s influence on his team than captaining ability.&nbsp; Obviously many people disagree with this, and you don&#039;t need to make arguments about it here.<br /><br />For this reason, I believe that something like player record over hundreds of priv games would give an even more accurate read of player skill level, and therefore of captain skill level.<br /><br />And, as you all should know, I believe that the collective opinion of a group of players (i.e., the administration) is an even more accurate gauge of captain&#039;s skill level, and would compensate for the difference in skill level even more successfully.&nbsp; This is illegitimate for obvious reasons, and we don&#039;t need to discuss it here.<br /><br />Finally, I think that if, instead of a draft, the teams were all put together by a group of knowledgeable players (i.e., the administration), the league would be as even as it could possibly be.&nbsp; On the other hand, this is as unfair (and frankly, unfun) as things could possibly be, and is only a theoretical point.&nbsp; (Perhaps this belongs under format.) So, the options run from most fair and least even to most even and least fair:<br /><br />0: Random draft<br />1: Draft ordered by... Past season record<br />2: ...Total past captain record<br />3: ...Total past player record<br />4: ...Total past priv record<br />5: ...Administration ranking<br />6: Hand-picked teams<br /><br />Other metrics would fall somewhere in this continuum.&nbsp; Again, this is my opinion, but one with which, as always, I tend to agree.<br /><br />Obviously, options 3-6 are arguable, impossible, or outrageous.&nbsp; You don&#039;t need to tell me why.&nbsp; In all likelihood we will stick with 1 forever, with the possibility of moving to 2.<br /><br />2.&nbsp; Draft Format<br /><br />This is what I discussed in the last pre-season&#039;s thread on the draft.&nbsp; This is the ABC&#039;s and so on.&nbsp; This also includes the possibility of picking your spot in a snake draft (or even an ABC CBA CBA draft, which would be interesting).&nbsp; Whereas issue 1 determines whose skill should be compensated for, issue 2 determines to what degree the skill is compensated for.&nbsp; A straight draft compensates a lot, a snake draft very little.<br /><br />I want to say that some board members are strongly considering a draft where captains, in the ordinary draft order, choose which snake draft spot they get.&nbsp; This [u]is[/u] a topic you should discuss here (or wherever).<br /><br />3.&nbsp; New Captains<br /><br />Since the current system is based on past season record, we have to decide what to do with new captains who do not have a past record.&nbsp; The traditional method is to have them randomly inherit the draft spot of retiring captains.&nbsp; This seems illegitimate for obvious reasons, since the new captains have literally nothing to do with the team name they are inheriting.&nbsp; However, our method of randomly inserting the captains between playoff-makers and playoff-non-makers was met with negativity (even though, despite some claims, it does &quot;make sense,&quot; it just may not be the right way to do things).&nbsp; For next season, we may very well revert to the original system.&nbsp; This is also a topic you [u]should[/u] discuss here (or wherever).<br /><br />Finally, I want to say that if the administration is going to make any changes to the draft, those changes will probably not be made for this coming season but for next season.&nbsp; This is because now that the previous season is finished, we all know what the draft order is supposed to be, so any change of the draft could be subversive manipulation (we don&#039;t want Hatred to have the #1 draft, etc.).&nbsp; The changes will probably be made for the next season for which we have no idea what the draft order is going to be.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4854, 507, 20, 1317664127, 0, 4854, 'Re: IDL Recruiting', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.244.105', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=507.msg4849#msg4849 date=1317613861]<br />I am all for advertisement! Advertise away. You should even post on the ZD forums.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Anyone who pimps IDL there will get banned.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7621, 734, 18, 1348633599, 19, 7621, 'Re: Summer 2012 MasterBowl Champions: WAD', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'Well played and hard fought by both teams, congratulations WAD!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8437, 811, 28, 1361127460, 157, 8437, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '173.59.167.186', 1, 0, '', 'if you didnt notice, all of those shots dropped through the player all in the course of a few MINUTES, and easily cost our team multiple flags. if this sort of thing happens during a game, it would be the equivalent of a cosmic &quot;fuck you&quot;, and probably result in a minimum of a loss for that round of a match', 'xx', 1);
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	(4907, 513, 20, 1317938209, 213, 4907, 'Re: Jenova +  Bloviating = Jenoviating', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'In that case it was judicious and courteous rather than obnoxious and attention-whoring.<br /><br />I still might delete it.', 'smiley', 1);
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	(7439, 723, 22, 1346557360, 157, 7439, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.224', 1, 1346557453, 'Legion_', 'I. am. not. defending. tosen.<br /><br />please read these 5 words. just because he remains in the clan does not mean we endorse him/pander to him.<br /><br />[quote]Also, there are not a lot of people that like you, and probably less now that you are defending this idiot.[/quote]<br />cool this is relevant to the discussion<br /><br /><br />I guess with everyone in the idl who distance themselves from the zandro clan scene having such an [b]extensive[/b] experience into the current clan scene of zandro that they feel the need to dictate our actions.<br /><br />we have already discussed with tosen and he won&#039;t do shit like this again.<br /><br />everyone here (especially jenova) should get off their high horse and be judgmental somewhere that is not in the vicinity of my face. let us deal with our clan members on our own. <br /><br />[quote]To add to that, you should technically also have had no right to cry about me hosting the IDL servers because I didn&#039;t ddos you on there either! Wow damn, now I&#039;m starting to question if I should have been banned in the first place![/quote]<br />I am not crying about you hosting the idl servers. do you see me doing this at this current time? no. I was just trying to make a point', 'xx', 1);
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	(4859, 504, 17, 1317675439, 75, 4859, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4858#msg4858 date=1317671171]<br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]Obviously, options 3-6 are arguable, impossible, or outrageous.&nbsp; You don&#039;t need to tell me why.&nbsp; In all likelihood we will stick with 1 forever, with the possibility of moving to 2.[/quote]<br />Why not try 2?&nbsp; How outrageous is it to never try anything new?&nbsp; How the fuck can you learn or see if anything is better if you don&#039;t change?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />uh, you might want to read that again when your vision isn&#039;t clouded by the foam evaporating from around your mouth. he said 2 is the only realistic alternative.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4858#msg4858 date=1317671171]<br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]This also includes the possibility of picking your spot in a snake draft[/quote]<br />Again how can you determine how captains pick their spot without any ranking of some kind such as discussed above (numbers 1-6)?[/quote]<br /><br />try practicing read comprehension a little more. i wrote we&#039;d be using option 1 from mass&#039; list in my previous post. yes, it&#039;s a form of ranking, but lessened by a degree.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4858#msg4858 date=1317671171]<br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]Since the current system is based on past season record, we have to decide what to do with new captains who do not have a past record.&nbsp; The traditional method is to have them randomly inherit the draft spot of retiring captains.&nbsp; This seems illegitimate for obvious reasons[/quote]<br />The current system is OK but really isn&#039;t not a system so much as a hodgepodge stop gap.&nbsp; It&#039;s flawed because it only works for certain captains and anyone new doesn&#039;t apply for it which means the whole thing is sort of broken and dumb.[/quote]<br /><br />i&#039;m so lost.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=504.msg4858#msg4858 date=1317671171]<br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]Finally, I want to say that if the administration is going to make any changes to the draft, those changes will probably not be made for this coming season but for next season.[/quote]<br />Um, WOW, I hope you are sincerely joking about this.&nbsp; Is the IDL run by some bureaucratic juggernaut incapable of change now?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />DUDE, we changed stuff after solidifying the agency and people went for torches and pitchforks for it. also i believe IDL always shunned shock changes and rather went with glacial evolution.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5850, 574, 20, 1326093802, 158, 5850, 'Re: Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.15.54', 1, 0, '', 'How did this fucking map make it into the schedule?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4858, 504, 17, 1317671171, 0, 4858, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.244.105', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]<br />0: Random draft<br />1: Draft ordered by... Past season record<br />2: ...Total past captain record<br />3: ...Total past player record<br />4: ...Total past priv record<br />5: ...Administration ranking<br />6: Hand-picked teams[/quote]<br /><br />Random is definitely most fair but least good for the league.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think player record and priv record can be applied to captaining.&nbsp; They are too different.&nbsp; So removing 3 and 4 I would agree with this.&nbsp; 6 is obviously a no go since it sucks and would be countless drama even if it would produce perfect .500 teams no one would play in such a league.<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]Obviously, options 3-6 are arguable, impossible, or outrageous.&nbsp; You don&#039;t need to tell me why.&nbsp; In all likelihood we will stick with 1 forever, with the possibility of moving to 2.[/quote]<br /><br />Why not try 2?&nbsp; How outrageous is it to never try anything new?&nbsp; How the fuck can you learn or see if anything is better if you don&#039;t change?<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]This also includes the possibility of picking your spot in a snake draft[/quote]<br /><br />Again how can you determine how captains pick their spot without any ranking of some kind such as discussed above (numbers 1-6)?<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]Since the current system is based on past season record, we have to decide what to do with new captains who do not have a past record.&nbsp; The traditional method is to have them randomly inherit the draft spot of retiring captains.&nbsp; This seems illegitimate for obvious reasons[/quote]<br /><br />The current system is OK but really isn&#039;t not a system so much as a hodgepodge stop gap.&nbsp; It&#039;s flawed because it only works for certain captains and anyone new doesn&#039;t apply for it which means the whole thing is sort of broken and dumb.<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=504.msg4856#msg4856 date=1317668334]Finally, I want to say that if the administration is going to make any changes to the draft, those changes will probably not be made for this coming season but for next season.[/quote]<br /><br />Um, WOW, I hope you are sincerely joking about this.&nbsp; Is the IDL run by some bureaucratic juggernaut incapable of change now?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7673, 740, 17, 1348802622, 214, 7673, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.23.198', 1, 0, '', 'Two things got on my nerves throughout this entire season: Mouse and shots.<br /><br />Despite doing all the math, conversions, plugging in, I could never shake off my muscle memory of ZD entirely. The main problem was the snap back speed. The best way I can describe this is by loading up both oda and zd and moving your mouse back and forth at moderate speed in each. I could not get the desired speed without ruining the sensitivity or another mouse setting.<br /><br />As for shots, I don&#039;t know what happened between the .6 betas and the final. Shots hit harder and more consistent during the beta releases than they did in the final. Even though Ralph claimed nothing major was changed, I know what I experienced and I wish I had demos to look back on. I changed my network settings several times and used different combinations, yet I still haven&#039;t been able to duplicate what I saw during the beta testing. /shrug', 'xx', 1);
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	(6167, 601, 1, 1328625310, 2174, 6167, 'Re: Velocity CTF', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.254.95.70', 1, 1328628325, 'Decay`', 'Here is velocity ctf RC1: http://speedy.sh/EPy8K/velo.zip<br /><br />What does this mean?<br /><br />It means that the layouts are done and at least partially detailed. The maplist will not expand from here; it will only shrink if we cut out bad maps. This version of velocity requires the super fine tuning, so I&#039;d like to see some serious games played out on the maps, especially priv format, 3v3 and 4v4. RC2 will feature all the maps detailed, and any little kinks worked out. Changes in this version include:<br /><br />Gameplay changes to;<br />01<br />02<br />03<br />07<br />10<br />11<br /><br />Detailing has been changed on<br />04<br />10<br />11<br /><br />The 08 that was made by Shane has been removed and replaced by a new map by Synert: Bleak Outlook<br /><br />as far as i&#039;m aware, there is no issues with ZD with this pack, but if there is, let me know!', 'xx', 1);
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	(5309, 532, 17, 1320988462, 0, 5309, 'Re: A CTF Guide For The New Guys', 'Fastidious', '', '76.222.57.48', 1, 0, '', 'I also play like that Chain and always try to support the flag carrier in stand offs.&nbsp; The problem is certain runners want to solo standoffs and start yelling at their team &quot;RTF!! GET THE FLAG!!&quot; if you try and defend them.&nbsp; In general most teams do not have a stand off strategy or tactic to fall into and are caught off guard in such situations.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4906, 512, 18, 1317930668, 89, 4906, 'Re: 2011 IDL Map Contest Winners!', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '65.68.74.167', 1, 0, '', 'I think it all being in one wad is great.<br /><br />Map 1-32 are IDL maps<br />Map 33- ?? altpriv<br />and map ?? -??? big priv.<br />Works out well I think.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9082, 910, 18, 1375659236, 17, 9082, 'Re: It''s coming...', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '50.158.207.68', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/L7azkqY.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4861, 504, 17, 1317686815, 7, 4861, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', '=== Change for change&#039;s sake<br /><br />IDL changes all the time:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Draft system is changed practically every season<br />&nbsp; - Teams have been added/removed<br />&nbsp; - Franchising came and went<br />&nbsp; - Trading rules are constantly revised<br />&nbsp; - Maps are changed every season<br />&nbsp; - Map pool is changed every other season<br />&nbsp; - Teams are completely different every season<br /><br />Any way you look at it, change is an essential part of IDL.<br /><br />Furthermore, most of the changes the IDL admins can make won&#039;t make a huge difference in player count, so it&#039;s an issue of too much risk for too little reward.<br /><br />=== Ranking<br /><br />You&#039;ll often hear IDL admins say, &quot;we&#039;ll never, ever, ever rank players&quot;, and they have 4 reasons for this:<br /><br />&nbsp; - It&#039;s not fun.<br />&nbsp; - It&#039;s unfair.<br />&nbsp; - It doesn&#039;t actually solve anything.<br />&nbsp; - The tradeoffs aren&#039;t worth it.<br /><br />To avoid a novel I&#039;ll leave it at that, but if you really think about it, you&#039;ll realize I&#039;m right ;) .<br /><br />=== Draft<br /><br />The draft serves 2 purposes:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Avoid stacked/crap teams<br />&nbsp; - Be fun<br /><br />The draft pretty much already does all it (fairly) can as far as parity goes.&nbsp; Really the draft should be tons of fun, and we should do a radio show every week or something.<br /><br />=== Draft Changes<br /><br />It&#039;s not the best time to change the draft, and here&#039;s why:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Draft order is already known<br />&nbsp; - Almost all the captains are already known<br />&nbsp; - Making any changes at this point will seem biased no matter what<br /><br />Really, the draft system is largely OK, so pissing off a bunch of captains (who are already doing IDL a favor by captaining) for marginal gain is not very clever.<br /><br />=== Signing Up<br /><br />I will play in this IDL, barring some horrible thing happening.&nbsp; I think anyone interested in competitive Doom should sign up, because IDL is fun and this is what we do.&nbsp;  :-*', 'xx', 1);
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	(4862, 504, 17, 1317693648, 61, 4862, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '70.226.161.10', 1, 0, '', 'No one is holding the league hostage if they choose not to participate in an environment that has become stale and nonviable when it comes to players&#039; enjoyment. I&#039;m sure some people have real-life stuff that has come up, or have shit connections/connections they share with roomates, or other things that already tax their time. Why discourage those people even more by not changing and improving the experience?<br /><br />I sure as hell know that if I&#039;m gonna get *** ping spikes for 2/3 of an IDL game, I would at least like to know I&#039;ll have a good time during that other 1/3 chunk.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4863, 504, 17, 1317702099, 73, 4863, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '99.71.124.161', 1, 0, '', 'Well... I have skipped the last two season signups, but I&#039;ll probably go ahead and sign up and start privving again, although I pretty much feel like privving during pre-season should be a time where the lower tier players try to impress potential captains. Every preseason priv felt like there was little to no opportunity to get in on a match because of the age old &quot;We pick our own kid&quot; style that prevails so heavily. <br /><br />But then again, I haven&#039;t privved with you guys since last winter season, so I guess we&#039;ll see.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4864, 504, 17, 1317704323, 163, 4864, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Quiksilver link=topic=504.msg4863#msg4863 date=1317702099]<br />Well... I have skipped the last two season signups, but I&#039;ll probably go ahead and sign up and start privving again, although I pretty much feel like privving during pre-season should be a time where the lower tier players try to impress potential captains. Every preseason priv felt like there was little to no opportunity to get in on a match because of the age old &quot;We pick our own kid&quot; style that prevails so heavily. <br /><br />But then again, I haven&#039;t privved with you guys since last winter season, so I guess we&#039;ll see.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You actually bring up a really good point here, Quik. As competitors, we generally try to build the strongest team we can in priv so we can reserve rights to spam victory binds after we&#039;ve defeated the other team. The question is, do we do enough to try and help encourage new players to join priv? For lack of a better way to put it, probably not. We can advertise it to newer players all we want but if we don&#039;t step up and pick them, it does us no good as they won&#039;t waste their time sitting there watching people kill each other. <br /><br />The question then becomes what solutions are out there? Realistically, it&#039;s really hard to say. The majority of the time, the people we get in priv are guys we all know and when it&#039;s stacked, we don&#039;t like to exceed more than 4-5 players at a time and leave the weaker players there to watch. And when there is that rare occasion of a new guy coming in wanting to give it a shot, we don&#039;t do anything with it. <br /><br />In theory, we could probably try new methods of picking players to get new guys in there. Think about it, when we have that kind of stacked priv, the same players eventually get picked over and over. The only shot new players or weaker players have to play is if they get selected to cap. What if we made the players who finished on the bottom part of the scoreboard sit a round and give someone else a try? It&#039;s not the most accurate because generally the runner will end up with the least amount of points unless it&#039;s a one-sided affair or it&#039;s a map like 13, where the runner generally kills a lot, gets flag touches and has the advantage of 200/200. But either way, how probable is something like this working? It&#039;s really hard to say and I&#039;m not sure anybody has an answer as it ultimately depends on what people want to do when they get selected to cap. <br /><br />I&#039;ve heard people suggest doing a small tournament with some newer guys, somewhat IDL-R like with IDL rules being in place. Someone would have to organize this though. And someone would also have to be willing to play in it and give some of these guys some suggestions, tutoring, etc. From a practical standpoint, would we even be able to develop this, run it, finish it and expect everything to be done before the IDL begins? Sure, but it&#039;d be a lot of work and there&#039;s no guarantee we&#039;d get enough people giving it a shot. We&#039;ll have to see, I&#039;m interested to hear what people have to say.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4865, 509, 16, 1317737847, 213, 4865, 'MOVED: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'This topic has been moved to [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?board=20.0][IDL Winter 2012][/url].<br /><br />[iurl]http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=505.0[/iurl]', 'moved', 1);
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	(6168, 556, 20, 1328633383, 16, 6168, 'Re: ALERT: OFFICIAL WINTER 2012 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=556.msg6160#msg6160 date=1328480301]<br />this topic should be stickied<br />[/quote]<br /><br />For once, we agree. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(5851, 574, 20, 1326094595, 163, 5851, 'Re: Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.135.214', 1, 0, '', '[b][i]SuperChargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed[/b]<br /><br />After an incredibly tough loss in week one, WAD looks to bounce back in what some consider a homefield-type environment in SmartCTF. Meanwhile, SUC looks to add another W to their win column after shaking off PDU last week in two rounds. With two totally different styles and approaches, I expect this one to be a slug-fest. I don&#039;t buy into the idea that WAD has an advantage here because Chaindude made this map. Both teams will practice plenty so that will be nullified right away. The only question is, will WAD be able to slow down Ralph&#039;s aggressive approach? If Oath and Tony play well with Ralph being Ralph, this game will be incredibly close. If they won&#039;t, I suspect WAD will roll over SUC. While my heart is with SUC because of my love for Ralph&#039;s baldness, my head tells me to go with WAD because of how pissed they are for losing in week one to a bunch of &quot;dopey bruisers.&quot; WAD wins in two tight rounds.<br /><br />WAD 2-0 <br /><br />[b][i]The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction [/b]<br /><br />Both teams suffered disappointing openings and look to bounce back in week two. Apparently Doomguy and Dragan were seen in Reno sucking dick for taxi-cab money to get back home, so the only question is whether they make it or not. Meanwhile, X-Ray and Saber are fuming because of their disappointing play in week one. The real concern for TCB I have is that this map, while known for having several routes to the flag, still has a gigantic choke-point in mid and I can see pingers taking advantage of it. TCB will probably have to have a very aggressive push to maintain offense. Normally that would get you beat most likely but I don&#039;t see anybody on MAD having the offense to make them pay for it. TCB probably wins going away.<br /><br />TCB 2-0<br /><br />[b][i]Ricochet Rockets vs Fnordy Niners[/b]<br /><br />Sibling rivalry takes place in the land of smarties this week with the faceoff of Rust vs Strangle. Big brother looks to put little brother in a headlock and pummel the shit out of him with a ferocious amount of mexi-punches. Meanwhile, another set of siblings will be beating the shit out of each other in the home of the White&#039;s as Whiteboy and Whitemike throw down for the house&#039;s only good computer. During this escapade, Legion finally finds his mic and removes it from his ass and gets on TS to yell and Gilga for being lost in the West Virginia mountains and Mass for saying fuck supershotguns and petting his kitten. Why do I joke about this? Because I think this match will be a joke. RR is fucking steaming after a gay TAI and will crush KNF with rage. And if it gets too close, Rust will unplug Strangle&#039;s computer and win anyway.<br /><br />RR 2-0<br /><br />[b][i]Plasma Dicks United vs Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />Another awesome Euro match-up this week goes down with Turska vs Gyross. Turska probably has more fragging power behind him in Rus/Ladna but Prime is no slouch himself. Mantis might not be the fragger he used to be but his savvy still keeps him around and wins games. This will probably be a grueling affair to watch. Prime remembers how then TKV (PDU of now) ended his bid at an undefeated season last season. I look for him to rage hard and have Mantis do enough in mid to keep Turska from rocking Prime this time. Gyross will find a way to get some flags and BBC wins an ugly slugfest in 3 rounds with two rounds being low-scoring TAIS.&nbsp; <br /><br />BBC 1-0<br /><br />[b][i]Contraband vs Philanthropic Blowhards[/b]<br /><br />LB&#039;s team is living up to it&#039;s name. Like a philanthropist throwing money around to save the abandoned souls of the world, the Philanthropic Blowhards are blowing hard and throwing wins to whatever teams they face. It&#039;s a cruel joke for having only losing one week but PBH&#039;s lack of ability to even join a game scares the shit out of me. I&#039;m disappointed because I thought Edd would really get his shit together this season. He still has 8 weeks to do it but he should do it now sooner than later with CTB coming to town. I still don&#039;t know anything about this armour guy and I suspect LB will hero long enough to keep his team in it but CTB just has too much firepower. <br /><br />CTB 2-0<br /><br />&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6387, 624, 20, 1330977623, 61, 6387, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '97.87.60.161', 1, 0, '', 'Refer to http://www.intldoomleague.org/season/stats/players for a better idea of where players stand statistically (so people aren&#039;t making choices based on how much charity/pity praise they wish to dish out).<br /><br />[b]As for my personal opinion, I&#039;d say Prime is more deserving of the Best Captain Award this season.[/b]<br /><br />[i]-I&#039;ve personally seen him develop as a player since our days together playing for the Spread Eagles and has tackled the leadership role nicely<br /><br />-He has an above .500 record with no ties (which are just as good as losses IMO)<br /><br />-Is top 3 in total Frag Ratio behind Nostar and Stallion--two guys who are considered the best current defenders in Doom CTF. He is 2nd place in total Pick Captures this season with 10. He also barely missed top 10 in total frags this season with 792.<br /><br />-Is on a 2-game winning streak heading into the playoffs.<br /><br />-Isn&#039;t pompous and has no blind nuthuggers.[/i]<br /><br />[b]Any MVP Award deserves to go to Shakal.[/b]<br /><br />[i]-Likelihood of playing this season was up in the air and his activity levels were as bad if not worse than mine. In short, he progressively got better as the season and matches went on (contrary to the conspiracy theorists who thought he was aliasing or actively playing while pretending to be inactive).<br /><br />-Followed the game plans religiously and was able to perform and communicate very well over voice chat.<br /><br />-Adjusted to increased adversity in-game (basically all our 3-round matches) without pulling a TAI.<br /><br />-Was a beast in the midfielder and secondary defender positions (#3 with Total Frags behind Nostar and me, with 930) and got his chance to shine as an attacker on Week 6 vs SUC.[/i]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7623, 734, 18, 1348633718, 209, 7623, 'Re: Summer 2012 MasterBowl Champions: WAD', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '24.74.30.216', 1, 0, '', 'The first masterbowl I&#039;m actually capable of watching ingame and it turns into the endurance bowl.&nbsp; What an awesome match.<br /><br />Congratulations to WAD!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7674, 740, 17, 1348813575, 19, 7674, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'There&#039;s a possibility there&#039;s deceleration where mouse handling is concerned, last I checked with Devastation and Dr_Sean. I haven&#039;t heard back on the matter yet.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2392, 266, 26, 1282773247, 0, 2392, 'Re: Average Draft Results', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.110.175', 1, 0, '', 'It is cool someone else finally did some stat stuff.&nbsp; Looking at those what my general conclusion would be is you can maybe make a slight argument going earlier is a bit better but even that is questionable.&nbsp; The franchise stats don&#039;t mean much to me since I&#039;d argue the captain + franchise were the most important part of any team but they are still fairly mixed.&nbsp; You could easily make the argument that draft position does not matter looking at these results but clearly that isn&#039;t the case.&nbsp; I was hoping to see some stronger patterns such as going higher means better results but there did not seem to be any strong patterns.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4967, 517, 17, 1318348397, 216, 4967, 'Re: The Draft', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.78.51', 1, 0, '', 'nonetheless, it is because there is a huge drop in the second round between great and above average players. <br /><br />sorry for misspeaking, but my point still remains :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4831, 505, 20, 1317447213, 163, 4831, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', 'The current system works amazingly well when things stay up-to-date but as I said above, I think it&#039;s a lot to ask out of 2 people to run through demos just to get stats up for demo uploading. Perhaps we should focus on another method of demo-uploading entirely. Isn&#039;t there a way we can just upload the Demo without stats having to be done? The demos can be there asap, literally right after the match is played and whoever is in charge of doing stats isn&#039;t pressured to do them right that minute. I would be open to learning how to run Stats myself but I must warn you that I&#039;m no slouch and I have a busy schedule to. If you could assign this to maybe 3 to 4 people who are trustworthy, I think it could benefit mike and ralph and the board/commish&#039; entirely.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4827, 505, 20, 1317423984, 2, 4827, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '24.18.104.99', 1, 0, '', 'The demos were largely my fault, it seriously is not easy to sit through 3-4 hours of doom a week when you have lots of things to do.&nbsp; Especially because its unfair to players who want to upload their demo asap or within a few minutes of the game being played, many games I couldn&#039;t be present for or wasn&#039;t told about and missed running stats in a timely manner.&nbsp; I am making no excuses though, the demos were clearly my fault due to lagged stat uploading, even with Ralph&#039;s help it was very difficult to stay current at times.&nbsp; However, the demo uploading shouldn&#039;t really be a league responsibility in the sense that:<br /><br />If a player is missing a demo, his team gets penalized.<br />If an opposing team is missing a demo, that team gets penalized.<br /><br />Therefore, there are at least 2 parties that should be very interested in making sure demos are uploaded but the only people who seem to care at all are the league administrators themselves.&nbsp; This might point to the idea that requiring demos is not a good idea, however I think that is the wrong approach to take and the problem is there is not a good way players can hold the league/me responsible for uploading stats in a timely manner so that they may avoid such penalties.&nbsp; I am open to solutions, but sometimes (like when I have midterms) I really can&#039;t afford to waste the time fooling with stats when I can be studying.&nbsp; Certainly not an excuse, more of an open question for ways to fix this problem while keeping demo uploading in place.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4813, 505, 20, 1317354998, 8, 4813, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '99.54.9.113', 1, 0, '', 'Sometime this offseason the website will be revamped (hint: it&#039;s already done) with a front page dedicated for news, which I fully plan to take advantage of. I haven&#039;t decided what exactly I&#039;d like to be put there besides predictions. Trade news possibly. I&#039;m sure some other stuff will pop up. If anyone is interested in helping out, just let me know - I would prefer not to do it all by myself!<br /><br />Josh: Maybe those types of weekly accomplishments can go on the front page?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4811, 505, 20, 1317341929, 3, 4811, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Now that I think of it, it doesn&#039;t need any bullshit like that. Well, it probably does, but fuck it. I don&#039;t know, I just really don&#039;t care to compete in something like this, I already know where I stand and have fun even playing pub just messing around. Probably just need some new peeps who feel the need to prove themselves.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4810, 505, 20, 1317322577, 3, 4810, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'It needs more hype. Everyone knows what to expect and how it&#039;ll play out each week, so much that people could just not even care and check the screenshots afterward to get the results. I don&#039;t know exactly how to achieve this, but perhaps have more &quot;awards&quot;/incentives for players to strive for each week. Perhaps something like a weekly vote by players and/or spectators for best runner, best defender, best assisting player, play of the week, game of the week, etc. It&#039;d be a lot of work but I think something like that along with a weekly recap and a &quot;what to expect next week&quot; writeup would get players to look forward to every game/week and generate more interest. You could argue those awards would sway how some players would play, but that could be for the better, and the true players would know to just play how they know how to play to get the job done and worry about that kinda stuff after the dust settles.<br /><br />Of course all of that would be after the draft already, but hey, long term health.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5852, 574, 20, 1326110978, 157, 5852, 'Re: Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.103.83', 1, 0, '', 'Super Shotgun Spurs vs KillingBrowns (DIV)<br />its hard to say. tai frequently makes things happen but it is unknown if these things are good or bad. expect tai to be pushy and blair to bail him out every time. junior will be left running cold against stall and will probably either make things happen or wilt into an impotent noodle not unlike my penis. hate is showing to be an extremely capable runner and will probably smoke tai like the overcooked sausage that is now probably decaying in my trash bin<br />lineups????<br />hate o&nbsp;  bloodstrike shooting people&nbsp; &nbsp;  stall cleaning up the mess<br />junior o&nbsp; &nbsp; blair praying to his heathen gods&nbsp; &nbsp; tai leaving whatever position he&#039;s on<br />ultimately this match will be decided on tai leaving d or not.<br /><br />tai left d????? 2-0 SGS<br /><br />tai.......... STAYS D???? 1-1 everyone loses<br /><br /><br />SuperChargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed (DIV)<br />team ralf vs team shak fu. or something<br />ralphis&#039; talent really excels at these sorts of maps, the kind where he runs away like some pussy bitch and nostar is left to throw his mouse through the monitor while jenova laughs at the sound of his voice. shakal will be left to run and play the general role of savior while the ghost of chaindude does things and laughs in some mutated mexican throat. <br /><br />ralf o&nbsp; &nbsp; oath mid&nbsp; &nbsp; tony d&nbsp; &nbsp;  donut complaining about the textures<br />shakal o&nbsp; &nbsp;  chain mid&nbsp; &nbsp; nostar d&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  fast complaining about donut complaining about the textures<br /><br />2-ARRIBA SUC<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction (DIV)<br />an exercise in sadness and wilted glory. xenaero will probably quit doom for the Nth time and dragan gets banned for cheating<br /><br />joking aside, I do expect this to be a good match, unless doomguy and dragan are somehow not showing up again.<br />speaking of them, has anyone actually seen those guys since that day? (I have no idea where these dudes went)<br /><br />abstaining from making a judgement until someone shows up<br /><br />Ricochet Rockets vs Fnordy Niners (DIV)<br />rust, I love you man. but God, the weather, my shitty connection, nor lucky spawns will save you from me.<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/cD1xF.gif[/img]<br /><br />Plasma Dicks United vs Brokeback Cowboys (ICF)<br />this one is hard to pin down. prime is certainly a capable player but then again so is turska. rus has the power of europe behind him and so does prime.<br /><br />mantis o&nbsp;  gyross mid&nbsp; &nbsp; prime d<br />pants o&nbsp; &nbsp; ladna mid&nbsp; &nbsp;  rus dICKS<br /><br />I don&#039;t expect this to be going anywhere for prime, however. prime will not be able to deal with the pantstorm and crumbles from the pressure<br /><br />1-0 rusteam<br /><br />Contraband vs Philanthropic Blowhards (ICF)<br />lb recruited based on private ctf performances and now he is paying the price, which is quite steep. both edd and ammar are solid shots but are not quite used to the way things work. you just can&#039;t play tdm in ctf and expect to get away with it. bones and his team is just too seasoned/stacked to let this one get away from them.<br /><br />lb will certainly pressure his team to practice a lot (if he is smart) and build up a team synergy, paying off dividends later in the season, but at this current time PBH is just not ready for playing yet.<br /><br />2-0 CTB', 'xx', 1);
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	(7440, 723, 22, 1346557675, 158, 7440, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '68.168.212.106', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7439#msg7439 date=1346557360]<br />I. am. not. defending. tosen.<br /><br />please read these 5 words. just because he remains in the clan does not mean we endorse him/pander to him.<br /><br />[quote]Also, there are not a lot of people that like you, and probably less now that you are defending this idiot.[/quote]<br />cool this is relevant to the discussion<br /><br /><br />I guess with everyone in the idl who distance themselves from the zandro clan scene having such an [b]extensive[/b] experience into the current clan scene of zandro that they feel the need to dictate our actions.<br /><br />we have already discussed with tosen and he won&#039;t do shit like this again.<br /><br />everyone here (especially jenova) should get off their high horse and be judgmental somewhere that is not in the vicinity of my face. let us deal with our clan members on our own. <br /><br />[quote]To add to that, you should technically also have had no right to cry about me hosting the IDL servers because I didn&#039;t ddos you on there either! Wow damn, now I&#039;m starting to question if I should have been banned in the first place![/quote]<br />I am not crying about you hosting the idl servers. do you see me doing this at this current time? no. I was just trying to make a point<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well I mean you were crying about it before, so uh... yeah.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6695, 622, 17, 1335283572, 19, 6695, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.230.128', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=622.msg6690#msg6690 date=1335086984]<br />Now, there is one thing I would really hope to have happen if the IDL were to immediately move to Odamex: an updated spectator view. As it stands, there is no animation whatsoever when spectating another player. It is completely blank.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think there&#039;s a certain appeal to it, personally. As of last night I could only think of a couple things that I would like to see changed and they only pertain to the scoreboard for ease-of-priv purposes. Aside from the spectated player having no weapons, I would like to think that Odamex 0.6 would be ready for a large event such as IDL. Like I said before, players just have to get used to it, but that&#039;s no reason alone to delay a season. That&#039;s just silly talk. :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4978, 517, 17, 1318461226, 7, 4978, 'Re: The Draft', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 1318461883, 'Ladna', 'This post is in 2 sections, 1 for the real content of the post, the other to argue in-depth about MassVC&#039;s claims.<br /><br />This discussion happens every season because there&#039;s disagreement on the balance between [b]fairness[/b] and [b]parity[/b].&nbsp; Fairness is a random draft.&nbsp; Parity is ranking player skill and putting a skill cap on teams (however that&#039;s actually accomplished).&nbsp; I would argue that the administration&#039;s job is to dull the blade of either of these extremes, so that no one&#039;s discouraged from playing and captaining in IDL, because growing the playerbase is #1 priority (right?).<br /><br />IDL makes round 1 of the draft more even by letting poor captains pick first, and forcing elite captains to pick last.<br /><br />IDL makes round 2 of the draft more fair by letting elite captains pick first, and forcing poor captains to pick last.<br /><br />There is nothing the draft can do (and still be called a draft) to achieve more parity than it already does.&nbsp; Captains picking their own spot won&#039;t matter, because draft position is a smaller factor in team success than captain skill.&nbsp; It&#039;s like if you have f(x) = -x^2 + 3x.&nbsp; Yeah at the beginning it&#039;ll be above water, but as x increases (the season goes on), the team ends up drowning deep in the sub-X-axis ocean.&nbsp; -x^2 is captain skill, 3x is draft position.<br /><br />My perspective is that the draft is [b]100% political[/b].&nbsp; You can say to poor captains, &quot;but you get to pick 1st!&quot;, and you can say to elite captains &quot;but you get to build a [b]team[/b]&quot;.&nbsp; The psychology of poor captains picking after elite captains makes it so that this works, and honestly has no problems in and of itself.<br /><br />Constantly fucking with it, on the other hand, draws undue attention to the fact that poor captains actually have no chance whatsoever.&nbsp; Thanks for that, by the way.&nbsp; I guess even if no one joins because they think they can&#039;t win or they have to play with shit-ass players, it&#039;s OK as long as the best-case mathematical model of the draft achieves better parity.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=511.msg4974#msg4974 date=1318436990]<br />However, I can do something to make elite captains lose.&nbsp; I can give them a crippling handicap.&nbsp; You are going to respond, &quot;But that is wrong!&quot;&nbsp; And it may be, but this discussion doesn&#039;t seem to be about what is right or wrong, but what is possible.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think it&#039;s about right or wrong.&nbsp; Crippling elite captains means they won&#039;t volunteer to be captains anymore.&nbsp; If this is the goal, that&#039;s fine, but since the administration is in charge of choosing captains, I&#039;d say you should fix that problem further towards the beginning of the pipeline.<br /><br />And I can certainly appreciate the difficulty in defining &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong&quot;, but in IDL&#039;s case it&#039;s pretty straightforward:<br /><br />&nbsp; - More players?&nbsp; GOOD<br />&nbsp; - Fewer players?&nbsp; BAD<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=511.msg4974#msg4974 date=1318436990]<br />It is deductively reasonable that draft picks #1 and #13 will be better than picks #12 and #24.&nbsp; In the same way, I can say that the first pick of a straight draft is better than both the first and last picks of a snake draft, and both of those are better than the last pick of a straight draft.&nbsp; (I would consider that pick to be a crippling handicap.) <br />[/quote]<br /><br />I disagree with your premises.&nbsp; #1 is not always better than #2, thus higher pick order is not the sole determinant of pick quality.&nbsp; Here are some others:<br /><br />&nbsp; - The way other captains pick (Ralphis should&#039;ve picked Fast, but picked Ladna instead)<br />&nbsp; - Player attendance (Ladna is better than Fast, but Ladna will disappear for 2 weeks)<br />&nbsp; - Map selection (Fast on Map X is better than Ladna on Map X)<br />&nbsp; - Team chemistry (Fast on Team X is not as good as Ladna on Team X)<br />&nbsp; - Team schedule (Fast against Team Y is better than Ladna against Team Y)<br />&nbsp; - Skill depth (Ladna is 5x better than Fast, but he only went 11th while Fast went 12th)<br /><br />Sure, if you assume all these things are trivial or even out via entropy you can make your claim.&nbsp; But as you said, there&#039;s nowhere near enough data to say that.&nbsp; Suddenly the equation is much more complicated eh?<br /><br />Furthermore, because good captains have been picking at 9, 10, 11, 12 since Season 5, it&#039;s really difficult to separate those draft positions from the elite skill of their captains.&nbsp; I&#039;m not totally sure how to resolve that statistically.<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=511.msg4974#msg4974 date=1318436990]<br />The fact that we can&#039;t determine whether early or late picks are better, is evidence that a snake draft succeeds in doing little to compensate for captain quality (or previous season record, or whatever), whether this is a good thing or not.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I would actually like to skip all that stuff and make some sweeping generalizations about a snake draft:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Elite captains picking 1-4 stacks the league<br />&nbsp; - Elite captains picking 5-8 might stack the league<br />&nbsp; - Elite captains picking 8-12 probably won&#039;t stack the league<br /><br />&nbsp; - Poor captains picking 1-4 gives them an elite player<br />&nbsp; - Poor captains picking 1-4 might give them an elite player<br />&nbsp; - Poor captains picking 8-12 probably won&#039;t give them an elite player<br /><br />And the counter-balance:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Elite/Poor captains picking 1-4 get the worst 3rds<br />&nbsp; - Elite/Poor captains picking 5-8 might not get the worst 3rds<br />&nbsp; - Elite/Poor captains picking 8-12 gives them the best 3rds<br /><br />The problem with all this is that it&#039;s highly dependent on the depth of skill in that season&#039;s playerbase.&nbsp; If we&#039;re talking about a league where ThatsJustPrime and Ladna are the worst 3rds, then that&#039;s probably OK.&nbsp; But there are some players that, if they&#039;re 3rds on your team, will cripple you.<br /><br />So there&#039;s 2 things you can really do about that:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Give crippling 3rds to elite captains<br />&nbsp; - Don&#039;t expand the league to the point where anyone&#039;s forced to play with a crippling 3rd<br /><br />Both of those options are controversial, and I won&#039;t analyze them here.&nbsp; Suffice it to say it&#039;s basically the root of all IDL arguments every preseason, because either option is terrible for obvious reasons.<br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=511.msg4974#msg4974 date=1318436990]<br />To go back to the contradiction:&nbsp; If the elite captains always win, then the other guys don&#039;t have a fighting chance.[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re being too literal (most people don&#039;t talk in maths).&nbsp; Ralphis is saying that no matter where he drafts, he&#039;s going to have a successful season, but that there are positions at which Ladna could draft where he would not succeed.<br /><br />Anyhow, the draft&#039;s real &quot;function&quot;, if you want to be technical about it, is to give new captains an incentive to join, &quot;hey I&#039;ll get a good pick!&quot;, and give veteran captains a reason to stay on, &quot;hey I&#039;ll get to run a team the way [b]I[/b] want to&quot;.&nbsp; The effect of this is to keep veteran captains in a relatively stable position (which would happen in any draft system that could still be called a draft) and to handicap new/poor captains with an elite player during their first season or so.&nbsp; The draft provides mobility, and actually does a good job of adapting to changing captains and player pools.<br /><br />Trying to do too much with it really ruins the mobility aspect.&nbsp; The goal of the draft is not to make a Ladna vs. Ralphis matchup always 50/50 odds.&nbsp; Rather, it&#039;s to make it so that one day it can be.<br /><br />===<br /><br />Consider this Section 2, part b if you like.<br /><br />I&#039;m finding myself more at odds with the IDL Administration more and more these days, which is strange because I like all of you guys (to varying degrees ;) ) !&nbsp; I think my problem is that I fundamentally feel like none of you quite know what you&#039;re doing.<br /><br />The goal of the draft is:<br />&nbsp; - Be fun<br />&nbsp; - Avoid radically unfair situations<br /><br />The goal of making a new WAD every year is:<br />&nbsp; - Keep IDL fresh<br />&nbsp; - Remove unplayed/hated/broken maps<br />&nbsp; - Evaluate new maps<br /><br />The goal of having a web site and team names and graphics and stats and gee-whiz-bang is:<br />&nbsp; - Be awesome<br />&nbsp; - Make the administration&#039;s lives easier<br /><br />The 1st goal of any of that stuff is something like [b]BE FUN[/b].&nbsp; There are maybe 3 people who give a fuck at all about the draft, why waste so much time on it?<br /><br />The other goals are also important though.&nbsp; Because the draft is a snake draft, it does the following:<br />&nbsp; - Motivates good players to captain (so a poor captain can&#039;t draft them)<br />&nbsp; - Gives poor captains an elite player they can learn from<br />&nbsp; - Gives elite captains a better chance at building a team<br /><br />Other draft systems don&#039;t do these things, or cause them to be less likely to occur.<br /><br />Additionally, IDL needs to keep the players it has, and it&#039;s important to listen to player grievances and ideas.&nbsp; Not because doing so actually does anything (although it definitely does, see franchising, uneven games, etc.), but because when players have a say in the way IDL is run, they&#039;re more likely to continue participating in it.<br /><br />Ultimately the IDL belongs to all of us.&nbsp; Us players are trusting you administrators to do what&#039;s best for the league, and in order to do that, you need to engage with us.&nbsp; The team name poll is a good start, but no one gives a fuck about the draft; it&#039;s bad politics to mess around with it (especially when you know draft order already), and there are way more effective uses of your time.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8975, 894, 17, 1368383610, 10, 8975, 'Re: How be good captain level 8', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.132.74', 1, 0, '', 'This post may be offensive', 'xx', 1);
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	(4808, 505, 20, 1317318481, 38, 4808, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.64.154', 1, 0, '', 'My board member spot would be a start. <br /><br />That aside [quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]Fewer Teams?[/quote]<br /><br />Thanks for the easy quotable s Mass.<br />Teams should only be adjusted based on the number of players and not the &quot;skill&quot; average. Just because their isn&#039;t enough of the so called high priced talents are not there doesn&#039;t mean we should drop the number of teams. Face it dip into the pool of &quot;scrubs&quot; and quit your whining.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]Make the best players captain?[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t necessarily hate this idea, but there is a lot going against it. First of all being a good player does not make you a good captain. <br /><br />Sorry to stab you Stallion but you are a perfect example. Stallion is a great player. Does that make him a potential captain? The answer is no. Stallion is not on par with the more strategic players. He is kinda dumb in that department.<br /><br />Legion captained a team that made the playoffs enough said.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]Franchising?[/quote] <br /><br />I never liked the franchise era because all it did was bypass the low 1st draft round for last season&#039;s winner. Plus spreading around those &quot;better&quot; players around is better for the league as a whole.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]A straight draft?[/quote]<br /><br />A this would do is lower the chances of captains who did well last season make a repeat. The draft is actually fine the way it is unless you plan on changing the draft odd at the last second again. Don&#039;t do that again.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;Hatred&quot;]Shit about the other stuff.[/quote]<br /><br />No matter how you split it captains choose their teams. It is their responsibility to draft accordingly so saying it is not there fault is naive. Blame should also be put on those who willing let those types that continually join then bail. All of the rest of this boils down to the board and commissioner need to shape up. Making the proper rule tweaks and rounding out the rough edges are on them. <br /><br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4806, 505, 20, 1317269886, 163, 4806, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;] Fewer Teams?[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t think the issue in this matter is based upon just the number of teams competing in the league. If we have a deep draft, we should absolutely stick with 12 teams. If we have a less-talented draft, we should simply go back to 8. When it boils down to it, it just depends on who signs up. I&#039;m good with 12 if the talent is there.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]Make the best players captain?[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ve been quoted several times on saying we shouldn&#039;t allow players who wouldn&#039;t ordinarily make an IDL starting-roster captains, however, I don&#039;t think making the top 8-12 players be captains is the answer either. The reason is because then you&#039;d have to develop some sort of ranking system and a lot of it will become a popularity contest. Out of last season, there were easily 20+ players who could be good enough to cap skill-wise, but since you all think being bad but having great leadership equals great captain, I suppose that&#039;s important too. Either way, I don&#039;t think we should be allowing players to cap who basically end up becoming &quot;coaches&quot; and never actually play; That much should try to be avoided. I do also understand the difficulty of finding dedicated/skilled captains and in short, I&#039;d be more than happy to be a captain again. I just want people to understand if they&#039;re willing to allow me to be captain, my hours will be gay this season - but I&#039;m willing to play earlier games on the weekend (probably not much earlier than 8pm or so though) :p<br /><br />[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]Franchising?[/quote]<br /><br />No. We don&#039;t have a dedicated enough community anymore to realistically achieve this. <br /><br />[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]A straight draft?[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ll be straight to the point here: LEAVE THE DRAFT SYSTEM ALONE - IT&#039;S FINE AS IT IS.<br /><br />Something else to consider:<br /><br />I know we&#039;re not exactly in the state to pick and choose who we want available in the draft but it&#039;s time we start coming down on players who flake on their teams. A captain should be aware that a player has that tendency and might want to avoid them but if the talent is there, the risk could pay off with a very healthy reward. I&#039;m tired of hearing people whine and bitch and say it&#039;s 100% a captains fault if they take a player who tends to do that: yes, it is their fault they picked that player but when a player is given the info ON THE SITE when the GAME IS SCHEDULED and the captain MAKES AN ATTEMPT to contact them and make them AWARE, then that is not their fault. I&#039;m not saying any as of now should be punished for this but if it&#039;s to happen next season, a captain should have a say-so in it. Instead of trading that player away for no-showing, he should have the right to deactivate that player with The Commissioner&#039;s approval for the entire season. Naturally this would be handled case-by-case. Just a thought though.<br /><br />The other thing is with rules. I won&#039;t argue with Ralphis, the trade between EBL and SPE was totally illegal by the rules currently enforced. However, I was never trying to say this was a case of defining &quot;a trade&quot; because we all fucking know what it is. Here&#039;s my logic: you idiots changed the draft order two days before the draft (and even then the changed orders made absolutely zero sense) so I figure since we&#039;re all about changing long-term IDL rules on the fly, why not get rid of that stupid unwritten rule that says you&#039;re only allowed 3 trades per season as well as the rule stating you can only trade once a week. So guess what, I pushed for it and it just so happens the description I used for wanting the trade became about defining &quot;what a trade is&quot; when all I was saying was change the current rule because it&#039;s dumb. I do understand why it&#039;s in place but I think at the very least, we should make some sort of addition at the trade deadline that allows a player to make multiple trades in that final week or something along those lines. If the board and Bones are serious about considering this, I&#039;d be more than happy to offer more suggestions on how that rule could be modified.&nbsp; <br /><br />Nobody is arguing that this was one of the IDL&#039;s tougher seasons. We had a ton of forfeits, sloppy games, disorganized teams and witnessed the IDL Bible of Rules and Contents get shredded. But after talking with guys like Mike about this for hours at a time, I&#039;ve come to accept that it was still a successful season. We still had a good masterbowl, guys like Killforce and Mobius got playing-time they probably wouldn&#039;t have seen if we bumped back down to 8 teams, Chewy came back and overall it still functioned. Bones could have easily said fuck it and quit, leaving the IDL to basically die but he didn&#039;t. It was a harsh lesson learned for Bones as well as the rest of us but I think this Winter season could be good if had some more veterans step up and play again. But I&#039;m realistic as well, people do have lives and certain things before DooM come first. I&#039;m hoping we get more sign-ups and more veterans back. The truth is guys, I think aside from a few tweaks in the rules and the possible addition of an adjustable 8-12 team league depending on the sign-ups, the IDL structure is fine. There&#039;s no need to change the draft system, there&#039;s no need to rank captains and there&#039;s no need to ask Rott to have sex with himself on live T.V.<br />Long story short: the IDL isn&#039;t in need of any drastic changes. <br />We just need to do a better job of making sure we gets games played and not be so quick to make a team forfeit, ENFORCE DEMOS and work with each other to make this thing work. That&#039;s really all I can say.<br /><br />So, I&#039;ll say this in closing:<br /><br />DooM is in a tough spot right now. It&#039;s not dying but it&#039;s not exactly alive and kicking as some of us older guys can remember how it used to be. We have to make the most of what we have and hope we get more older guys to come back, too. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with us going into public ZDaemon or Skulltag servers and recruiting guys. If it can get one guy interested and possibly drafted, it has paid off. LB got me to come back from the brink of quitting again after being inactive for a year to give IDL a try and with my busy schedule, I&#039;ve still managed to find time for it because it&#039;s awesome. I&#039;m willing to go to pub servers and do it and I hope you guys are, too. Advertising doesn&#039;t hurt, if Kilgore gets mad about it - oh well. Just don&#039;t do it openly in IRC or on the ZD Forums if you&#039;re afraid of what could happen. So yeah Mass, that&#039;s how I feel.&nbsp; <br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4805, 505, 20, 1317259892, 147, 4805, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'franchising reinstated, and an inverse straight draft, meaning the team that won the masterbowl last season gets the first pick in the next season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4804, 505, 20, 1317249765, 10, 4804, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'Continuing growth of the league. Promoting inclusive ideology and skill mobility. The original draft methods that the league has been operating under, very successfully, since its inception. Following rules mid-season when it comes to roster changes. Enforcing rules all season as they should be. Not giving preferential treatment to players because of their status, legacy, or skill level.<br /><br />and ZDaemon sucks', 'xx', 1);
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	(4803, 505, 20, 1317228674, 213, 4803, 'WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'This question is for everybody, but in particular it is for the old and good players.&nbsp; You (we all) know who you are.<br /><br />Refer to my [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=504.0]P(M)SA[/url] for context.<br /><br />I think the board universally agrees on one thing: having talented players is the #1 best thing for IDL.&nbsp; Some of us believe it so strongly that we would sacrifice other virtues (fairness, inclusiveness, growth) to achieve this one thing.&nbsp; So what is it going to take?<br /><br />Fewer teams?<br />Make the best players captain?<br />Franchising?<br />A straight draft?<br />A rottking/kenny draft?<br /><br />What do you need in order to play this season?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4866, 510, 17, 1317757439, 7, 4866, 'Even teams', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'Does anyone think that teams being more even is a bad thing?&nbsp; And if so why?', 'xx', 1);
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	(5853, 574, 20, 1326131096, 64, 5853, 'Re: Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'BloodStrike', 'fat1802002@yahoo.com', '24.118.252.216', 1, 0, '', 'We are NOT smart enough for SmartCTF apparently', 'xx', 1);
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	(6169, 604, 20, 1328634835, 163, 6169, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.67.241.75', 1, 0, '', 'PBH vs RR<br /><br />Apparently Gyross quit and if that&#039;s true, LB has no chance. Even if he had Gyross, PBH still goes down. With Gyross, a little closer, without him, it&#039;s a blow out. Either way RR wins.<br /><br />RR 2-0<br /><br />TCB vs MAD<br /><br />Pretty disappointing to not see MAD as proactive as they once were to prove doubters wrong and make a playoff push. They&#039;re still in the thick of things for a wild-card spot at 2-3 and with a win, they&#039;d pretty much secure one. That being said, I think TCB will take care of business this week. Saber&#039;s D is good here and X-Ray will just win. He has 20 badges. <br /><br />SUC vs WAD<br /><br />If SUC has any hopes of winning their division, this is where it starts. If they knock off WAD, they&#039;ll have a punchers chance if they can win out and if WAD stumbles again down the line. I actually think this is a map SUC can win on. SUC needs this game and they seem to have a significant sense of urgency to win it. Ralph probably puts on a MVP caliber performance here, the only question is will it be enough. In a map like this, it might just be. Ralph finds a way and sneaks out with a win.<br /><br />SUC 2-1<br /><br />BBC vs KNF<br /><br />I really don&#039;t know to be honest. KNF seems to be strong but BBC continues to surprise people week after week. I still don&#039;t have a ton of faith in OurHero or Armour so I&#039;ll pick KNF.<br /><br />KNF 2-1<br /><br />CTB vs KGB<br /><br />If CTB wants to make the playoffs, they need to stop losing. This is pretty much make or break. If they lose, they&#039;re basically out of it. If they win, they still have a chance in a wide-open WDC. I don&#039;t think they&#039;ll practice enough and Tai will leave D effectively and steal a win. <br /><br />KGB 2-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(6388, 624, 20, 1330981268, 216, 6388, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '130.63.212.147', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s been a fun season, despite all the problems that are debated. <br /><br />I&#039;m kinda surprised by the lack of rookies this year. The only ones currently on rosters (correct me if I&#039;m wrong) are Null7, Armour, Catastrophe, and majik. Additionally, none of those players had THAT much of an impact this season, so I will forgo the ROY nomination. <br /><br />[b]Captain of the year[/b]<br />There are two captains that jump out at me for this award (I&#039;m not nominating myself because that is dumb).<br /><br />1.&nbsp; Ralphis:<br /> Ralph has proved that he can maintain a winning record, even without the incredible teams that he has seen in the past. SUC is probably the winning-est team in the history of the IDL, and a huge reason is because of Ralph&#039;s superb coaching techniques.<br /><br />2. Hatred:<br /> Criticize me at will, but Hate has been there pretty much every night to get his team to practice. He may have one of the most over powered teams in IDL history, but he still gets Blood and Stall on multiple times a week to practice. Not only do they have the skill to win the MB, they have the drive. Hate has made sure that all of his members are determined to win the MB. His leadership skills make him one of the candidates for Captain of the Year.<br /><br /><br />Ralph was determined to prove Fast wrong from the start of the season, even though his team was not full of tier 1 players. That is why I give Captain of the Year to him.<br /><br /><br />[b]Comback/Breakout Player of the Year[/b]<br /><br />There are two candidates for this award IMO. They include:<br /><br />1.Legion<br /> Legion has drastically improved this season. He has proved that he can be a consistent third in the lineup, and has disproved all the people who criticized Strangle for taking him round 2. Surprisingly, he now has the ability to frag, so he doesnt have to zombie run anymore, and can play mid (where he is better IMO).<br /><br />2.OurHero<br /> I picked up hero as a FA to replace Soulsucka when he quit the IDL. At the time (the end of week 4), I never thought I would win the WDC without gyross, and I just took hero because he was the only Canadian player left in the free agency (lol jk). He has proved to be a competent replacement for gyross, and is actually a competent runner. He is always around, so he can practice at almost any time. Just think about it, an undrafted FA helped BBC win the WDC....<br /><br />This is tough, but I&#039;ll give it to OurHero (talk about HERO PICKS from the FA :p). <br /><br />[b]Most Valuable Player[/b]<br /><br />Before I name candidates, I will point out what it means to be an MVP. An MVP is a player on a team that has propelled his team to excellence. That player has consistently been amazing, and has made an otherwise not so great team, well, great. <br /><br />IMO there are two candidates for this award. They are:<br /><br />1.Mantis-X<br /> I know it seems like I&#039;m just praising my own team mates, but Mantis seriously needs to be considered. He is constantly criticized for not being that good (I can find quotes but I&#039;d rather not), and yet he has played some admirable CTF. He has played every position this season, and has stuck with the team, even though situations seemed grim at certain points. With the loss of Gyross (arguably our best player at the time), he stepped it up and won us multiple games. He entered the season as a one-purpose player: a runner, but due to our situation, he had to play at other places that he did not want to. He proved that he can frag it up, score flags, and keep the base safe, and most importantly he proved almost the entire league wrong. He CAN play and compete at a high level. <br /><br />2.Ralphis <br /> Ralph is definitely one of the greatest players in IDL history for many reasons. I am nominating him for MVP because he has done with his team what no other cap (at least IMO) could&#039;ve done with the same team. Like Mantis, he proved his naysayers wrong: he not only propelled his team to a playoff spot, but with a winning record too. Another thing to note is that he played around his team. What I mean be this is, whatever his team couldn&#039;t play well, he did. Ralph has the ability to play every position extremely well on almost any map. Even though SUC did not practice THAT much this season, Ralph was still able to go on rampage mode in games and win his way into a playoff spot.<br /><br />This one could EASILY go either way. I cannot decide who to give it to so Ralph and Mantis can split it.<br /><br />All in all, this season has been great, despite all the mishaps. I hope that IDL continues to run, as losing such an entertaining and competitive league will be such a disappointment. I&#039;m sure we can work out all the issues soon enough and continue making IDL history well into the future.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6696, 622, 17, 1335390730, 15, 6696, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 0, '', 'The name change of the masterbowl is a must.&nbsp; I propose the name be changed to the ODABOWL', 'xx', 1);
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	(7441, 723, 22, 1346558051, 10, 7441, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'I think the point is that nobody gives a shit about where your clan is from. The fact that you and others from your group step up and defend the guy (by not taking any action other than some half-hearted verbal lashing) instead of kicking him on his ass speaks more about your own character than his. His character was very clear when he ruined the game for everybody and was banned.<br /><br />When aca ran around ZDaemon servers impersonating a Doom player that had just died, it took about 1.3 seconds for me to decide to kick him out of the clan. However, you guys look up to Redshirt so that is possibly the real source of your problem (yourselves).', 'xx', 1);
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	(7624, 734, 18, 1348634020, 2275, 7624, 'Re: Summer 2012 MasterBowl Champions: WAD', 'Perrondon', 'pmcd_perrondon@hotmail.com', '187.178.79.209', 1, 0, '', 'Congrats WAD, Too to SXP. Was a great game ;) i eat popcorn in the middle of the game :P<br /><br />GG&#039;S :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(8651, 855, 17, 1362979534, 16, 8651, 'Re: This is why...', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Shane link=topic=855.msg8643#msg8643 date=1362972967]<br />And yes, I picked bojan because I like her, is that that big of a deal? Are you guys gay or something?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />We just wondered why you didn&#039;t admit it sooner. For the record no one seems to have pics, for all we know she also has &quot;extra parts&quot;. : )', 'xx', 1);
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	(4992, 515, 17, 1318516783, 11, 4992, 'Re: New team names?', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '76.198.242.31', 1, 0, '', 'Imo the names should be kept as they are. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4869, 505, 20, 1317760645, 7, 4869, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'I think the forfeits last season are overblown.&nbsp; From what I understand (I&#039;m not sure about the 2nd SXP forfeit):<br /><br />SXP: 2 forfeits, Bones went to a concert<br />KNF: 2 forfeits, ?<br />SUC: 2 forfeits, Nostar went to Bermuda, LB&#039;s computer was destroyed<br />DMC: 3 forfeits, Nautilus sucks<br /><br />Additionally, this is only the second season where teams forfeit if they&#039;re unable to field 3 players, so the forfeit rate will naturally rise.<br /><br />I&#039;m not saying there&#039;s nothing the board can do.&nbsp; Choosing Nautilus as a captain was a mistake, and I don&#039;t really know what went wrong with KNF.&nbsp; But other than making IDL more fun than Bermuda or concerts (unlikely) I don&#039;t know what the board can do.<br /><br />You could maybe make a rule that if you&#039;re a captain and you miss a game, you&#039;re dismissed.<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4870, 505, 20, 1317765334, 75, 4870, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=505.msg4855#msg4855 date=1317667013]<br />Last season was arguably the worst IDL season so while it&#039;s fresh in the memory you have to put into perspective as well.&nbsp; Never have there ever been close to that many forfeits before.&nbsp; I think there were some serious problem teams this season and even some more solid teams had problems showing up.<br />[/quote]<br />well, DMR had star on vacation and lb&#039;s computer exploded during that or whatever, that kinda counts like dg&#039;s DMR getting snowed in. cursed team i guess. the other forfeits were due to poor captaining (afaik strangle noshowed for his own game which he helped schedule). yes, we won&#039;t let naut cap again.<br /><br />however i need to call bullshit on the &quot;worst ever&quot; bit. go check stats of all seasons and mark [b]any[/b] game with less than 3v3 players as forfeited, you might find some seasons even worse. we changed a rule and it proved to impact heavily on a &quot;mediocre&quot; season, but let&#039;s not draw harsh conclusions from separate stats with no frame of reference or context.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5854, 574, 20, 1326139865, 216, 5854, 'Re: Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '130.63.213.23', 1, 0, '', '[b][i]Super Shotgun Spurs vs Killing Browns[/i][/b]<br />SGS seems to be one of the most powerful teams this season, but Tai&#039;s killing browns should not be under estimated. This map is pretty much unknown to most teams, and IMO depends on who practices the most. SGS always has late night practices when no one else is awake. They have already practiced week two&#039;s map (AFAIK). I expect them to beat KGB with relative ease this week. <br /><br />SGS 2-0<br /><br />[b][i]SuperChargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed[/b]<br />Okay, so SUC is one win from proving fast wrong, and how fitting would it be if they got that 2nd win against Fast&#039;s team! However, Nostar is likely pissed from a disappointing loss week one and will not let SUC get an easy W. Realistically, this match can go either way, but I see Chain&#039;s knowledge of the map to be the winning factor. <br /><br />WAD 2-1<br /><br />[b][i]The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction [/b]<br /><br />It is week 2 and DG and Dragan have already missed a game. This is a huge problem in the sense that in alot of cases, if DG is gone, Dragan is gone too (same internet). I do not see MAD as that strong of a team even with DG and Dragan and that is why it is CRUCIAL that they show up. TCB on the other hand has three very good players that are consistently online. I see this match ending quickly, and in TCB&#039;s favour.<br /><br />TCB 2-0<br /><br />[b][i]Ricochet Rockets vs Fnordy Niners[/b]<br /><br />So here it is! The first bro vs bro divisional match up. Whoever wins is most certainly the best in the family, and the one who loses will be disowned by the family forever. In all seriousness, I think Rust has the edge because he has three very versatile players. Just see how he switched around positions in round two of his week one match! Rust can put any of his players wherever he wants on this map. If it turns out Gilga can&#039;t/ doesnt want to D here, he can put mass there, etc etc. In contrast, I think that strangle will D most weeks while the other three juggle the other two positions. I don&#039;t think Whitemike is ready for the IDL yet, but he is definitely improving at a fast rate. Expect to see legion running with white on mid. The deciding factor in this sibling rivalry match is RR&#039;s versatility. RR will take it in 3.&nbsp; &nbsp; <br /><br />RR 2-1<br /><br />[b][i]Plasma Dicks United vs Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />???<br /><br />[b][i]Contraband vs Philanthropic Blowhards[/b]<br /><br />Don&#039;t count LB completely out yet. He definitely will when his share of games. He may have suffered a devastating loss week one, but he still has a pretty good team. DrNoob just needs to step it up a bit and armour needs to develop a higher sense of 3v3 CTF. This week however may be difficult for them to win because of the defensive superpower that is CTB. Again, I think this match will depend on who practices the most, and learns how the map works and how to play the map. I am indecisive, so I&#039;ll give it to CTB<br /><br />CTB 2-1<br /><br /> <br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6170, 604, 20, 1328636395, 10, 6170, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '64.141.192.13', 1, 0, '', 'PBH vs RR<br /><br />Unless LB figures something out, his team stands no chance. I feel like he may have phoned it in, which is unfortunate for the players around him. Things are clicking for RR and they&#039;re looking to continue to build the narrow lead over their division.<br /><br />[b]RR 2-0[/b]<br /><br />TCB vs MAD<br /><br />I don&#039;t see this as a map that favors MAD&#039;s style, but with the practice they can probably pull it off. I think TCB comes into this game with an edge due to the map and favorable man-to-man matchups. With a win here and a CTB loss, MAD can come close to wrapping their division up in the next week or two. If TCB wins, this division will likely come down to the final week between all three teams much like the WDC west. <br /><br />[b]TCB 2-0[/b]<br /><br />SGS vs PDU<br /><br />I actually think this is one of the first times that the matchup favors PDU this season. They have a fairly decent defense and an under performing offense. If the offense can click this game, they can come away with a win and throw a serious wrench in the IDC playoff picture (and even make a case for a #4 seed if KGB loses). However, this is all probably a pipe dream. SGS clinches a playoff berth with a win this week.<br /><br />[b]SGS 2-0[/b]<br /><br />BBC vs KNF<br /><br />Strangle has turned KNF around after last season and can make a serious divisional statement here. The biggest question to me has to be: is Legion playing over his head? If he can keep up the pressure he has been putting on teams all season on the front end with Whiteboy playing his signature defense on the backside, I don&#039;t think BBC has the advantage here. This is probably my game of the week.<br /><br />[b]KNF 2-1[/b]<br /><br />CTB vs KGB<br /><br />A huge game for both teams. Bones&#039;s squad has underperformed for sure, sitting last in their conference with three straight losses. Two of those losses came to both divisional opponents. They can get right back in it with a win here though. Meanwhile, KGB will realistically put themselves in the playoffs with a win here. <br /><br />[b]CTB 2-1[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4872, 505, 20, 1317788260, 163, 4872, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 1317789451, 'Hatred', '[quote=&quot;Gilgamesh&quot;]Maybe instead of issuing out forfeit win/losses, why not let them play later?&nbsp; I know that is also going against the scheduling rules set up, but I&#039;d prefer to see games get played (reschedule later on if needed) than I would see all these forfeits.&nbsp; I doubt this would be too much of an issue next season since it&#039;s the winter and people will be stuck at home mostly.&nbsp; With the season starting after New Years and ending before most Spring breaks, I doubt there will be too many, if any, problems with forfeits.[/quote]<br /><br />The dilemma with this is that forfeits are in place to encourage games to get played or suffer the consequences - it basically instills a sense of urgency to get the games done on time on a week-by-week basis. People would totally take advantage of this if they could. What&#039;s stopping people from no-showing and saying &quot;hey I couldn&#039;t make it, can we do this at the end of the season?&quot; Who knows why they couldn&#039;t make it but if you agree to a time, especially as a captain (this includes the players as well), then there&#039;s no excuse for not showing. You knew about it, you scheduled it (or gave your availabilities as a player) and you didn&#039;t show. Shame on you. Plus, it would be hard to stay on a strict schedule as the IDL consistently does up until the post-season where generally, they&#039;ll give teams a weeks worth of flirting around with to ensure the game is played at it&#039;s highest potential. It sounds great and we all would love to see games get played but rules are rules and there should be consequences for them. If you flat out just don&#039;t schedule it because you&#039;re going to be out of town for a week, that&#039;s different. But hey, that&#039;s what your 4th is for.<br /><br /><br />[quote=&quot;Gilgamesh&quot;]Just throwing out an idea, but teams(captains) should really be responsible for their actions and avoid forfeits as much as possible.&nbsp; If this means a captain trades away a player (good or bad) for frequent scheduling problems and causing a forfeit, then so be it.&nbsp; If the captain is making an effort to get these people to show up to practice/play and the player doesn&#039;t seem to care, that player could just be ejected from the league.[/quote]<br /><br />I totally agree with this. After having my own issues with DR_Noob and getting him to show up for games [b]he agreed to show up to[/b], I became very frustrated. It was the end of the season and I was already out of playoff contention. But I take pride in never having taken part in a forfeit as a captain because I believe there&#039;s no excuse why you couldn&#039;t spend&nbsp; ,at the very most, 30 minutes once a week to get a game done. But that&#039;s besides the point. I probably could have gone to the board and they would have allowed me to cut him and get someone out of the FA market but Mando showed up and gave me some quality minutes. But had this been prior to the deadline, anybody could have just picked him up off of FA if I wasn&#039;t happy with him and his inability to show for games. This gives the drafted players more leverage than the captain themselves. If they&#039;re not happy, they simply won&#039;t show and can persuade the captain to trade them or simply cut them and probably get picked up by a team who is simply a piece away from being good. It&#039;s an awful situation to be in as a captain because you have no control. Call me vindictive but if you&#039;re going to screw me, I intend to screw you, too. So that&#039;s why I propose that we give the captains the ability to deactivate a player where they can&#039;t join another team but the captain can still replace that roster spot. As I said in a previous post, this would be handled with Bones on a case-by-case basis. I&#039;ll lay it out a bit better here:<br /><br />[i]If a player on a team shows no willingness to show for games despite the captains greatest efforts to get his availabilities, the captain has the right to put a request to the Board and The Commissioner to place the player on season-ending deactivation. This list means the player cannot be traded, picked up from Free Agency or given the opportunity to play for any other team for the entire duration of that season. The player would be free to sign-up for next years draft but he won&#039;t automatically be placed on the Invite List released every season.[/i]<br /><br />What are the qualifications for a captain to reasonably request Season-Ending Deactivated (SED)?<br /><br />[i]*Chronic Absence <br />*Player submits availabilities to Captain but still no-shows or is chronically late to games.<br />*At least one occurrence of tardiness or failure to show is suggested for a request to be submitted but isn&#039;t necessary for request to be made.<br />*Captain suspects player of cheating and doesn&#039;t want to risk having more games (possible victories) revoked for games said player played in. This is tricky but if the speculation is there and the Board and Commissioner agree on it, the request can be made and accepted/declined based on the severity of the speculation prior to the final verdict on whether or not said player was cheating.<br />*Player is completely disruptive. Doesn&#039;t show for practice, constantly under-minds captain&#039;s authority, etc. This, as anything else, requires some proof along with it such as logs/demos. [/i]<br /><br />As I didn&#039;t mention though, I think there are other reasons to as why a captain should want to use this. I have searched the rulebook and haven&#039;t found anything that realistically resembles something along these lines. Basically, as I&#039;ve stated, I think it&#039;s reasonable and gives the captain a lesser chance of being screwed by a problem-child where that said problem-child basically walks and gets what he wants while ruining the other captain&#039;s season. In a nutshell, you screw me, I screw you. :)<br /><br />Also, before anyone brings up the EBL/DMR trade for Nero/Myself, I would just like to point out that at no point did I disrespect Goatface, not show for practice, not show up for games or be totally disruptive. I even told him if he didn&#039;t trade me I&#039;d still finish out the season with him. The trade was a mere request and he was kind enough to grant it. I am only stating this to prevent the people who just want to argue for the sake of arguing!<br /> <br /> <br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6389, 624, 20, 1330987704, 38, 6389, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.64.2', 1, 0, '', 'Hi dick sucking thread. How is your day?<br /><br />&lt;---Timeout Champ<br /><br />Nuff said', 'xx', 1);
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	(6697, 622, 17, 1335397213, 216, 6697, 'Re: Moving IDL to Odamex', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.89.171.174', 1, 0, '', 'i completely disagree, it should stay masterbowl.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7442, 723, 22, 1346558439, 1328, 7442, 'Re: Simplifying a Situation', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.220.200', 1, 0, '', 'Lol Legion misses the entire point of my post and that&#039;s [b]it has nothing to do with the IDL[/b].', 'xx', 1);
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	(7625, 731, 22, 1348635113, 2084, 7625, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'EmZee712', 'Aishiteru712@yahoo.com', '98.218.137.45', 1, 0, '', 'I feel as though I&#039;ve accomplished everything and nothing at the same time.<br /><br />Benched team for the win o/', 'xx', 1);
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	(7675, 740, 17, 1348857809, 2174, 7675, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.243.41.44', 1, 0, '', 'I didn&#039;t play in the IDL, but I really agree with what Rust has said. Something did change from in the transition from 5.6 to 6.0 that really fucked with the shots. I&#039;ve been really blaming it on my router, but what Rust said is exactly how I feel.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7936, 762, 25, 1355701861, 10, 7936, 'Re: Nawt Signing Up?', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 1355702037, 'Ralphis', 'Fun Fact: Almost everyone that has had a hand in operating the league is banned from ZDaemon. Do you think the people who run the league want to play on an engine they are banned from? This is through multiple administrations too. Me, Ladna, Nostar, Bones, etc etc. I heard the ZD guys are running their own league though, maybe it&#039;ll be successful. <br /><br />The people that run the league don&#039;t really have a responsibility to anybody, they do this for free. Your self entitlement is ridiculous. If you don&#039;t like the league direction, participate in discussion more actively or go start your own. I&#039;ve barely ever even seen you say a word on these forums about anything and you&#039;re going to preach about feedback?', 'xx', 1);
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	(8595, 851, 29, 1362159235, 2303, 8595, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jarin_cz link=topic=851.msg8594#msg8594 date=1362154952]<br />[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=851.msg8588#msg8588 date=1362106691]<br />I&#039;m against fluffles, my chances of making it past round one has diminished.<br /><br />I&#039;ll do my best.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />you have no chance against three quarters players in tourney :D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />you have no chance against anyone in this tourney, nub_hat will tear you a new asshole&nbsp; :D', 'xx', 1);
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	(8652, 855, 17, 1362979669, 16, 8652, 'Re: This is why...', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', 'Also, just asked Dawson on Facebook if he did infact play tonight, he said no, that he hadn&#039;t played all season. <br /><br />Well how about that? Maybe if you came on in time, you would have been able to pick the FA you wanted and KNEW it was him.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7676, 740, 17, 1348900337, 19, 7676, 'Re: Odamex Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'related<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJI7kW6QyUc&amp;feature=youtu.be', 'xx', 1);
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	(7238, 691, 22, 1344764741, 163, 7238, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.18.40.71', 1, 0, '', 'Caboose didn&#039;t play week 5. Not to hate on the guy, but I don&#039;t see how that constitutes as it being served.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4875, 505, 20, 1317824998, 163, 4875, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.208', 1, 1317825243, 'Hatred', 'I&#039;m not sure if they would have won it with him or not, Strangle. They definitely would have had a chance still but he tends to no-show a lot. They traded for Gyross who is a bit better as a runner but overall, probably not much of a difference. It boiled down to it being a safer investment as Gyross is far more reliable than Coll is. I don&#039;t think your trade was a bad one either, it just didn&#039;t help that [b]you[/b] didn&#039;t show for your own matches. It took people hassling you in IRC just to get you on. But yeah, that&#039;s not really the discussion here although I think when you have captains who don&#039;t bother to even show up for matches, they should probably be looked at differently. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6171, 604, 20, 1328643322, 163, 6171, 'Re: Week 6 (FEB 6 - FEB 12) : ZDCTF02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.67.241.75', 1, 0, '', 'omfg the signature rofl', 'xx', 1);
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	(5855, 574, 20, 1326145219, 0, 5855, 'Re: Week 2 (JAN 9 - Jan 15) : SmartCTF01 (MAP06) - Discussion and Results ', 'capodecima', '', '90.179.151.60', 1, 0, '', 'Super Shotgun Spurs vs KillingBrowns (DIV)<br />2-1 SGS<br /><br />SuperChargers vs We&#039;re All Doomed (DIV)<br />1-1<br /><br />The Cult of Bestism vs Mass Destruction (DIV)<br />2-1 TCB<br /><br />Ricochet Rockets vs Fnordy Niners (DIV)<br />1-1<br /><br />Plasma Dicks United vs Brokeback Cowboys (ICF)<br />2-1 BBC<br /><br />Contraband vs Philanthropic Blowhards (ICF)<br />2-1 CTB<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4874, 505, 20, 1317822269, 89, 4876, 'Re: WHAT WILL IT TAKE TO GET YOU TO SIGN UP?', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.178.58', 1, 1317830245, 'Solar_Flare', 'I didn&#039;t feel inclined to post at all here until I saw this. <br />[quote author=Gilgamesh link=topic=505.msg4853#msg4853 date=1317662969]<br />[list][li]Strangle&#039;s poor drafting in season 10, ended up sending Gyross to DMR (Masterbowl win)[/li][/list][/quote]<br /><br /><br />Do you really think Gyross made DMR (a team that was already stacked) more stacked and gave them a MB win? Do you think that if they had Collision instead of Gyross that they were going to be more likely to lose in the MB? The Gyross for Collsion trade was actually [b]in my favor[/b] and hurt DMR a little. I never thought the trade would actually happen at all, I don&#039;t even understand why it happened but DMR won in the end, and I honestly think they would have still won if it were Collision instead of Gyross.<br /><br />None of my trades will ever be lived down though (namely by Deww).', 'xx', 1);
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	(7813, 758, 25, 1352739405, 147, 7813, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '184.56.57.56', 1, 0, '', 'LordBritish', 'xx', 1);
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	(7860, 758, 25, 1354164647, 163, 7860, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.18.41.121', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ru5tK1ng link=topic=758.msg7857#msg7857 date=1354079679]<br />Posting for hatred by request:<br /><br />Name: Hatedaddy<br />Country/State: OHIO<br />Availability: 2am-2:15am<br />Contact: www.myspace.com/dcthareason<br />Misc: We run dis<br />[/quote]<br /><br />He&#039;s slightly off: I&#039;m only available from 2:01:07am - 2:14:48am<br />A simple mistake but understandable. <br /><br />TL;DR: I am not singing up. Sorry folks.&nbsp; :&#039;(', 'xx', 1);
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	(2391, 266, 26, 1282771000, 2, 2391, 'Re: Average Draft Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.52.171', 1, 0, '', 'These are simply the final standings as teams enter the playoffs.&nbsp; The premier season teams all performed exactly as their records indicated in the post season, unless I messed something up badly.&nbsp; All of these figures are as correct as possible, data collected from the wiki, past season archive on unidoom, and present season archives on intldoomleague.<br /><br />Premier Season Draft Outcomes<br />1st Draft: 1 = 1<br />2nd Draft: 7 = 7<br />3rd Draft: 5 = 5<br />4th Draft: 2 = 2<br />5th Draft: 6 = 6<br />6th Draft: 3 = 3<br />7th Draft: 4 = 4<br />8th Draft: 8 = 8<br /><br />12 Teams Draft Outcomes<br />1st Draft: 2, 1, 3 = 2<br />2nd Draft: 7, 9, 8 = 8<br />3rd Draft: 8, 6, 2 = 5.3333<br />4th Draft: 6, 4, 10 = 6.6667<br />5th Draft: 9, 2, 7 = 6<br />6th Draft: 3, 10, 1 = 4.6667<br />7th Draft: 5, 7, 9 = 7<br />8th Draft: 4, 3, 4 = 3.6667<br />9th Draft: 1, 11, 11 = 7.6667<br />10th Draft: 12, 8, 12 = 10.6667<br />11th Draft: 11, 12, 6 = 9.6667<br />12th Draft: 10, 5, 5 = 6.6667<br /><br />Premier + Franchise Era + Post Franchise Era Draft Outcomes<br />1st Draft: 1, 7, 8, 2, 6 = 4.8<br />2nd Draft: 7, 6, 3, 3, 8 = 5.4<br />3rd Draft: 5, 5, 5, 7, 7 = 5.8<br />4th Draft: 2, 4, 4, 6, 3 = 3.8<br />5th Draft: 6, 2, 2, 8, 1 = 3.8<br />6th Draft: 3, 8, 6, 4, 4 = 5<br />7th Draft: 4, 3, 7, 5, 5 = 4.8<br />8th Draft: 8, 1, 1, 1, 2 = 2.6<br /><br />Franchise Era + Post Franchise Era Draft Outcomes<br />1st Draft: 7, 8, 2, 6 = 5.75<br />2nd Draft: 6, 3, 3, 8 = 5<br />3rd Draft: 5, 5, 7, 7 = 4.8<br />4th Draft: 4, 4, 6, 3 = 4.25<br />5th Draft: 2, 2, 8, 1 = 4.75<br />6th Draft: 8, 6, 4, 4 = 5.5<br />7th Draft: 3, 7, 5, 5 = 5<br />8th Draft: 1, 1, 1, 2 = 1.25<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8596, 851, 29, 1362164467, 145, 8596, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.143.203.39', 1, 0, '', 'Fluff 50 - 47 Water<br /><br />Really good game, I thought water was gunna win for ages. Ma boys all grown up', 'xx', 1);
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	(8129, 791, 25, 1358042026, 4, 8129, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '50.88.51.175', 1, 1358042956, 'Ten', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=791.msg8124#msg8124 date=1358039217]<br />[quote author=Ten link=topic=791.msg8121#msg8121 date=1358038265]Truth be told, I no longer have the desire to actively participate in the league. I do care about the IDL, I&#039;ve been here since Day 1, but I made a [b]huge[/b] mistake accepting that captain position. I honestly thought I&#039;d have more time and motivation to make it through the season, but I simply don&#039;t.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Translation: I made a commitment to a league that welcomed me back after my shaky and shady history and failed to follow up my simple two month commitment. I say I care about the IDL, but anyone that isn&#039;t blind knows that I clearly don&#039;t since I just screwed dozens of people one week into the season. Thanks guys, back to Skulltag for me!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I deserve the flak about the IDL. You&#039;re absolutely in the right to hold that opinion of me. You&#039;re obviously free to look at it whichever way you want, but my decision had nothing to do with Skulltag. Ask anyone active over there, I&#039;m not involved with absolutely anything anymore over there. CTF? What&#039;s that? But again, think what you want. This had nothing to do with Doom outside of the IDL.<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=791.msg8128#msg8128 date=1358040172]<br />so you&#039;re a weakling with no backbone and you want to give up. i totally get that, you have a history of that behaviour.<br /><br />HOWEVER<br /><br />why the fuck do you propose those trades? why would you want to create a dump team that&#039;d just forfeit all its games? how arrogant do you have to be to decide by yourself IDL is going to be a 7-team league?<br /><br />FUCK YOU FOREVER.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t see how a lack of motivation makes me weak. Lazy? Irresponsible? Untrustworthy? Sure, and I accept all of those. But not weak. Weak would be to just not show up for any of my games or make any attempt to communicate with the rest of my team or Bones and leave everyone hanging, wondering what the hell happened to me for the first four weeks until Bones finally decided to dismiss me. But I didn&#039;t want to do that to Bones, or the rest of the IDL, so I bit the bullet, made this thread and went ahead with it now while it&#039;s still early in the season so it has less of a damaging effect.<br /><br />And about the trades - I was trying to be selfless and get them onto better teams who actually deserve them. They didn&#039;t ask for this, I didn&#039;t want to screw them out of playing spots they earned. Destroying a team was never my goal - an unwanted consequence of my decision. However, BBC was in a very fragile state in the first place, it was basically already doomed as it was. Swift was already out the door and Mass had absolutely zero incentive to give two shits, for obvious reasons. If he&#039;s willing to take the captain spot of BBC and pickup ShadowStalker and another FA, hey all the power to him. And also the two players I replaced them with were players who were unlikely to show up anyway, I didn&#039;t just fuck any random players over.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8653, 849, 1, 1362982769, 157, 8653, 'Re: Garbage thread', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '173.59.166.160', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/kv4EFl1.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8749, 861, 25, 1363798211, 1969, 8749, 'Re: Season 13 / Winter 2013 - MASTERBOWL XIII - Discussion and Results', 'turSKA', 'friikki_eki@hotmail.com', '88.115.108.36', 1, 0, '', 'Gotta love british humour', 'xx', 1);
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	(8341, 822, 29, 1360563319, 214, 8807, 'February ''13 Onslaught Tournament', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '65.68.74.234', 1, 1364440991, 'Ru5tK1ng', 'Pick-Up #1<br />Wad: Raisen11 Map02<br />Players: 8<br />Frag Limit: 40<br />Points Worth: 5<br />Gameplay Options: Freelook, Item Respawn, OS Sound<br />Results: http://rust.unidoom.org/compet/febcoll2013/idlpickup%23001raisen11.htm<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8349, 822, 29, 1360637577, 214, 8807, 'Re: February ''13 Onslaught Tournament', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.22.7', 1, 1364441069, 'Ru5tK1ng', 'Pick-Up #2<br />Wad: Exec Map03<br />Players: 8<br />Fraglimit: 40<br />Points Worth: 5<br />Gameplay Options: Freelook, Item Respawn, OS Sound<br />Results: http://rust.unidoom.org/compet/febcoll2013/idlpickup%23002exec.htm', 'xx', 1);
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	(8903, 882, 30, 1366234902, 157, 8903, 'Re: Post Your Own Discussion Topic!', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.170.7.139', 1, 0, '', 'how you&#039;re going to entice prospective zandronum players<br />how you&#039;re going to discourage [url=http://zdaemon.org/]the mexican uprising[/url] members<br />an intense q&amp;a with watermelon about the ssg statistics and autoaim<br />if, and how the [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkeZmpIEbjw]visual inconsistencies[/url] with odamex on certain settings will be addressed with .6.3<br />more about franchising, how it can affect the league for the better or worse<br />decreased role of priv in the league (less priv is being played nowadays, even though it IS the offseason)<br />how you will (attempt) to bring back old players, if that is even a possibility', 'xx', 1);
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	(6698, 653, 18, 1335487891, 8, 6698, 'IDL-R Week 3 Gametimes', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Moon Dolphins vs Gotcha! City Goofballs: Sunday @ 6pm<br />Chaingun Rangers vs Boxers and Dooming: Sunday @ 6:30<br /><br />GCG vs BAD from Week 2 will also be played this week, most likely on Sunday.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4877, 504, 17, 1317835126, 4, 4877, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '68.62.40.254', 1, 0, '', 'Hey, my account still works.<br /><br />Looks like the discussion of the thread shifted a bit, but I&#039;ll still answer the OP anyway. I haven&#039;t played a game of competitive Doom in quite some time, however I am considering coming out of retirement :) It&#039;s been a long time since I last came to the IDL, so I don&#039;t think any of my former stigmas should still be lingering (I&#039;ll admit I did a disgusting job with my last team here, but that was over three years ago), but who knows.<br /><br />I&#039;ll probably have to play a good amount of priv to get myself back in shape, though. Waiting for my G500 to come in, then I can start playing.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4868, 504, 17, 1317758473, 213, 4878, 'Re: Who plans on returning for Winter 2012', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 1317840580, 'MassVC', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=504.msg4862#msg4862 date=1317693648]Why discourage those people even more by not changing and improving the experience?[/quote]<br /><br />Toward whom is this directed?&nbsp; I made it clear in [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=505.0]this thread[/url] that we will do [i]whatever players want[/i] in order to get them to play and have fun.&nbsp; What would make it fun for you, Chain?<br /><br />[quote author=Chain link=topic=504.msg4862#msg4862 date=1317693648]No one is holding the league hostage...[/quote]<br /><br />I would never condemn somebody for not joining due to real-world circumstances or just because they don&#039;t feel like it.&nbsp; The only thing I&#039;m condemning is good players who won&#039;t sign up because other good players won&#039;t sign up, where this is true of a dozen players.&nbsp; Good players won&#039;t play because good players aren&#039;t playing, but if the good players played then there would be good players playing!&nbsp; It is the logic of it that bothers me.<br /><br />[quote]Priv...[/quote]<br /><br />I agree that this is huge problem, and have brought it up before.&nbsp; We are working on various solutions.&nbsp; I like hatred&#039;s idea of having the two lowest scorers (or much better yet, the two highest scorers) sit out, or having some forced sit-out rule when there are two or more white players that have sat for the full duration of a game.&nbsp; Other solutions include having more than one priv game at once (altpriv), and having larger priv games (bigpriv).', 'xx', 1);
