[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=536.msg5552#msg5552 date=1322815992]<br />Truthfully I would like to see your response to Hate and Rust (if any) since I know the only reason why you quoted me and ignored theirs is because my post is the easiest for you to respond to.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yours was the most interesting to reply to, not entirely the easiest. Rust defeats himself in his post argumentatively so it needs no replying to. Hatred had a good post and I don&#039;t have much to say to it. Can&#039;t really provide counterpoints to argue in favor of or against the map given that I&#039;ve only played the map ~10 times in a priv setting which has almost always been 4v4. We&#039;ll see how well it plays in the IDL, and that really renders any opinions of the map moot until then. I say go into any of the new, never-played-before maps with an open mind.<br /><br />As for Fast&#039;s map, we did play it, and attempt to play it seriously, like most of the contest maps. It clearly did not work out well for a multitude of reasons. It might be better to talk to Mass about the contest maps, since it was he who selected the winners. I did like some of the changes Fast made to his map but unfortunately we didn&#039;t get games on it, and it still suffered from some of the same design problems that put many players off.