I thought I would just say if you guys haven&#039;t figured it out yet I&#039;m fanning the flames on purpose for a reason.&nbsp; So people take action and do things.&nbsp; Demagoguery is fun.&nbsp; I like to do this about once a season at least, haha.&nbsp; I remember when I first started posting on the IDL and brought up shit and everyone was like &quot;who is this guy&quot;.&nbsp; Good times.<br /><br />Anyhow on with the &quot;real talk&quot;...<br /><br />Ralph I&#039;m sure if I had access to massive IRC logs and the DE forums I could come up with many examples.&nbsp; I don&#039;t usually save such examples or remember them to use in the future.&nbsp; I think most people know the IDL has had a lot of fuck ups.&nbsp;  One of my favorites was how long it took to get Dragan, like four weeks wasn&#039;t?&nbsp; That was a joke.&nbsp; UD CONSPIRACY.<br /><br />Why is mixing and matching stupid?&nbsp; The IDL already mixes and matches(3v2, 2v2, 2v1) but those are unfair so I guess that&#039;s OK, so I don&#039;t see how you can deny 4v4 as an option especially since is a fair match.&nbsp; 4v4 would let more players play, isn&#039;t that the point of the IDL?&nbsp; I guess not.&nbsp; We play 4v4 a shit ton in private.&nbsp; The only real reason the league is 3v3 is due to logistics.<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=179.msg1585#msg1585 date=1267232320]I&#039;m sure that my situation has likely held the league back in terms of growth as time has passed and I&#039;m sure a bit of selfishness plays into this on my part.[/quote]<br /><br />Just a bit?&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; Hopefully this will not be an issue in the future.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]Change in what way?&nbsp; I&#039;d argue that IDL went through a major change in Season 5, mostly all of which was Ralphis&#039; idea.&nbsp; In fact, the only thing I can think of in recent memory he said he&#039;d veto was switching to 4v4.&nbsp; I would also rather avoid a big change that destroys the league as opposed to doing the same thing next season.&nbsp; IDL is good enough, and it can be better.&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t mean we have to overhaul everything every season, that&#039;s madness.[/quote] <br /><br />What is it with you guys, putting crazy thoughts on everything.&nbsp; Slipperly slope much Ladna?&nbsp; You seem to be jumping to huge fucking conclusions in your own mind based on nothing.&nbsp; Did anyone say they want the IDL overhauled every season, WTF?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Also I don&#039;t think the IDL player base is going anywhere too fast.&nbsp; We have proven to be remarkably resilient.&nbsp; I think we can risk some meaningful changes.&nbsp; Have faith in the player base.<br /><br />Why can Ralph just veto anything like 4v4?&nbsp; What&#039;s the deal with that?&nbsp; Why can&#039;t the players vote on things.&nbsp; Is the IDL really so fucking big that we need a government that isn&#039;t even representative to us?&nbsp; At least if the players pick things they will have no one to blame except themselves.&nbsp; I know some people on the board have the attitude that the players are all idiots and you have to lead us to the pot of gold but why can&#039;t the players vote on things?&nbsp; You might be surprised what would happen.&nbsp; People would also be actively involved in the IDL at an even deeper level which is a good thing.<br /><br />There have been many changes suggested already.&nbsp; I mean to post all my own ideas in one post sometime soon but I&#039;ve already said a lot of them.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]What do you mean, &quot;the fact is debating and winning arguments isn&#039;t what should decide how a league is run&quot;?&nbsp; How else are we supposed to decide things?[/quote]<br /><br />Some people will argue until anyone else gives up.&nbsp; I know because Ralph used to do that all the time with me.&nbsp; You can always come up with a fucking reason or rationalization why something will fail or not work.&nbsp; Until you fucking try it you don&#039;t know, do you?&nbsp; That&#039;s why I liked to see us try new things each season, and keep what works.&nbsp; Most people can not predict who will win each week but they can sure argue why their picks will win.&nbsp; The IDL should try something new each season.&nbsp; Keep stuff fresh and old players on their toes!<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]These options blow.[/quote]<br /><br />Not as much as not playing a fair match.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather play a 2v2 than have a forfeit and I&#039;d rather play a 3v3 than a 3v2, etc.&nbsp; The point of the IDL is to play matches, as much as some of you guys forget, playing Doom is the goal here.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather put up with some bullshit if it means more fair matches get played.<br /><br />Also Ladna I know you play politics too because you offered to let me upload a fake demo and I refused your scum bag ass.&nbsp;  8)&nbsp; Yeah but politics are all just conspiracy in my mind, huh?&nbsp; Also what was the deal with so many teams missing demos without penalty but I was going to have to miss a match over mine until I found the demos and re-uploaded them.&nbsp; Again seems like politics, people unfairly applying the rules.&nbsp; Doesn&#039;t even matter if the IDL has specific rules or not, people will do bullshit anyways.&nbsp; That is why I&#039;d like to see the players more involved on every level if possible.&nbsp; Then it is our fault if something stupid happens and we let it.&nbsp; Maybe the board should be bigger, maybe each captain should be a member, or maybe the league should just open voting on many things to the players.<br /><br />For the record I don&#039;t have any hard feelings towards anyone in this thread, hope it is likewise.