[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=622.msg6363#msg6363 date=1330801705]<br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=622.msg6361#msg6361 date=1330790381]<br />If IDL is gonna use new maps, we should priv on the new ones first for a good long time. This lets players get used to it, and it lets everyone formulate a solid opinion on the maps.<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It took me a minute to see that you switched out &quot;new source port&quot; for &quot;new maps&quot;.&nbsp; They&#039;re obviously not the same thing; switching source ports is a [b]HUGE[/b] deal, and it&#039;s disingenuous to suggest otherwise.<br /><br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=622.msg6363#msg6363 date=1330801705]<br />that is more of a matter of selfishness on your part<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=622.msg6363#msg6363 date=1330801705]<br />...[b]you[/b] still have work to do on the site to correct stats counters. Not everything is comfortably in place as you would like to think.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think it would benefit everyone if we could be more civil than this.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />- Connection stuff<br /><br />Everyone&#039;s had problems with ZDaemon &amp; packet loss, corpses, invisible players, invisible flags etc.&nbsp; On the other hand, we&#039;ve played [b]THOUSANDS[/b] of games on ZDaemon.&nbsp; Ralphis has probably played more Oda games than anyone, and he&#039;s probably only even got a couple hundred or so (being generous).&nbsp; When I play it, I whiff players constantly; I played HeX the other day on Judas and lost 50-20 when I had a 70ms because it was like I wasn&#039;t even firing.<br /><br />This is why we need to play any source port more before [b]one guy[/b] decides IDL is going to switch to it.&nbsp; Everyone has their own experience and we need to make the decision as a group.<br /><br />- Map stuff<br /><br />Maps are always added and removed, but IDL has only done it every other season.&nbsp; Is the board talking about changing the WAD after this season?<br /><br />Additionally cutting those 9 maps (at least MAP20 and MAP29 are pretty popular) is kind of a huge deal.&nbsp; You can get someone to modify them, but you can&#039;t really modify MAP08 for example; that drastically changes gameplay.<br /><br />In a community that freaks out over textures and spawns, are you guys really OK with drastically altering popular maps without at least asking players what they think about it?<br /><br />- Lag stuff<br /><br />This is different for hitscans &amp; projectiles, but I&#039;ll describe both.<br /><br />Projectiles: Start strafing right, fire a rocket, the rocket spawns way to the left of you.&nbsp; It&#039;s weird.<br />Hitscans: Fire the SSG, wait a while, the puffs appear (in ZDaemon, ST &amp; EE it&#039;s instant).<br /><br />- Stats stuff<br /><br />I have a couple points about stats I guess.<br /><br />1. The site is open source.<br /><br />I don&#039;t like bugs and I wish some stuff on the site were fixed, but I don&#039;t have time or motivation to fix it all.&nbsp; That said, IDL.org is one of the best FPS league sites.&nbsp; Look at some others, they&#039;re either Wordpress or Forums with screenshots.<br /><br />2.&nbsp; I&#039;m not writing a whole new backend stats processing engine for Odamex mere weeks after I finished new IDL.org.<br /><br />Not only do I not even have time to fix IDL.org, I&#039;m working on [url=http://totaltrash.org/eternity]a different source port[/url] pretty feverishly.&nbsp; I honestly feel like ZDaemon is still a better port than Odamex, and I really don&#039;t understand why we would switch to any port until it&#039;s at least equally as good as ZDaemon.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=622.msg6361#msg6361 date=1330790381]<br />Something I think we should keep in mind is: why switch from ZDaemon when it currently does all the things we want Odamex to do?&nbsp; If we use ZDaemon, we have to convert ZERO maps.&nbsp; If we use ZDaemon, we have to cut ZERO maps.&nbsp; If we use ZDaemon, I have to do ZERO work handling a new stats format (or making that new stats format in the first place).&nbsp; I don&#039;t think on-the-fly WAD downloading is worth all that work and sacrifice.<br />[/quote]