Geez u got mad. <br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />i never said it did u retard, I said before its starts doing its source destination broadcast their is a header all UDP packets have to meet the same stateful source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do........me mentioning ppl might not understand syn/ack doesn&#039;t magically transform into me saying that UDP uses syn/ack dumbass<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br />[/quote]<br /><br />And for the record you never said any of that stuff in the first quote. I just read down through your posts and nothing even remotely similar to that stolen quote was anywhere in your posts. The rest of the quote you stole from this website [http://thetazzone.com/blog/cisco-pix-tcp-udp-nat-pat-and-port-redirection/] goes like this:<br /><br />&quot;All UDP packets have to meet the same Stateful Source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do, but as there is no sequencing it is relatively easy to spoof a UDP packet and maybe even get it through the firewall.&quot;<br /><br />I hate to be the one to break this to you but...you&#039;re really dumb. I know that not everyone uses their best grammar here but god damn man it&#039;s like you never passed the 1st grade. Learn to how to correctly differentiate there, their and they&#039;re. It will serve you well, forums or otherwise.