if everyone will notice, I&#039;m not asking for a sniper rifle. I&#039;m asking for the ssg&#039;s random spread to have the chance to hit someone with the one or two stray pellets instead of not able to hit them at all. who knows? maybe the previous 95 damage you did to the flag carrier injured him and this last shot will kill him, and buy you time to either pick up the enemy flag or return the flag?<br /><br />[quote author=tai]stuff about being objective[/quote]<br />it&#039;s hard to be objective about this sort of thing when everyone has played with this &quot;feature&quot; for around 3 eons. the most you can do to be objective about this sort of thing is to say:<br />a) it has an effect on the outcome of games<br />b) it could introduce new dynamics to the game<br />and that&#039;s about it. I told of both of these things, then explained my reasoning.<br /><br />[quote author=tai]stuff about bugs vs features[/quote]<br />well, I guess this is doomworld now. lets get fish avatars or something, because they certainly are willing to argue about bugs vs implementations all day<br /><br />[quote]Maybe you didn&#039;t make talk about this cause your team sucks, but people read you had some ulterior motive; you made it sound like it affected the way you could play and how it affects the outcome of games. Now true, it does affect games, but you made it sound like someone was taking your lunch.[/quote]<br />I don&#039;t see that myself arguing with people who directly contradict me and say that this won&#039;t affect games is soft.<br /><br />what I argued with:<br />assholes (ladna, mikehail, others)<br />rustking (oddly enough, one of the few reasonable ones, asked me to present evidence and I did, and mobius also presented multiple cases where this &quot;bug&quot; might make a difference in [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=815.msg8316#msg8316]this post[/url])<br />jarin (lol)<br />you, tai. you first tell me it&#039;s a bug/limitation, but now it&#039;s a feature? which is it, tai?<br />[quote author=tai]You also say it&#039;s a bug btw, when it&#039;s really just, like Rust said, a limitation, arbitrary or what.[/quote]<br />mobius and soulsucka, who continually think I&#039;m asking for a sniper rifle when I&#039;m just asking for the one or two stray pellets of the spread to land on the off chance that I hit and kill the heavily injured flag carrier. instead I get shit about call of duty or video games or whatever nonsense.<br /><br />soulsucka in particular completely missed the point and only read a few snippets from my post instead of using the power of inference. I brought up the fact that the spread in wbuild is vanilla to reinforce my point and he thought I was then asking wbuild to be brought into odamex or something.<br />see:<br />[quote]I&#039;d rather not derail this into a WBuild bashing thread. However... You are basing your reasoning for requesting longer ranges solely on the behavior of a newschool port mod. It is simply ridiculous you would consider it more vanilla than ZDaemon and Odamex (the latter is also open sourced, so you can actually see for yourself how things work instead of just going by what others told you).[/quote]<br />yeah<br /><br />mobius going on tangents about wbuild or something, even though the spread has been [i][b]proven to be vanilla[/b][/i] <br />see: [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=815.msg8286#msg8286]water&#039;s post[/url]<br /><br />jenova saw that I was talking about the spread maybe landing that stray pellet.<br /><br />soulsucka thinking I&#039;m asking for odamex to have this possibly patched into a standard (no)<br />[quote author=soulsucka]except for how he brought it up as a standard to be followed by Oda.[/quote]<br />all I have been asking is an opt out of the range limit. not a new standard for odamex to follow<br /><br />out of everyone, only rust appeared to be reasonable and asked for justification or examples (Which I provided!) <br /><br />I pretty much answered all the concerns brought up (not asking for sniper rifle, my ulterior motives!!!!!, et cetera), almost ad nauseum because some people ignored a lot of my posts to take out snippets (soul)<br /><br />and it continues!<br />[quote author=soul]That is exactly what I confronted Legion about, but he preferred to take the name-calling and &quot;you don&#039;t know how to read&quot; approach, like usual.[/quote]<br />you really don&#039;t know how to read. please take lessons and then read all the posts I made about this. I will expect a 500 word dissertation report at the end of the day<br /><br />[quote author=soul]Agreed, pretty much. I won&#039;t deny it may affect games slightly, but its odds don&#039;t really justify his consistent bitching.[/quote]<br />thank you, the &quot;I won&#039;t deny it may affect games slightly&quot; part was what I&#039;m looking for. the consistent bitching was mostly due to your illiterate nature<br /><br />I also answered [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=815.msg8292#msg8292]this[/url] with [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=815.msg8293#msg8293]this[/url], soul