[quote=&quot;MassVC&quot;]...I&#039;d like to hear what other players have to say about demo penalties and the way they are enforced.[/quote]<br /><br />Ask and you shall receive! I will do my absolute best not to worsen Junior&#039;s depression with this post!<br /><br />I actually don&#039;t think a player should be penalized at all for having a demo go bad during a game. As much as we bitch about ZDaemon sucking sometimes, it actually takes a lot for a demo to go corrupt. I do know in 1.07, severe PC/Internet lag would kill demos rather quickly. I don&#039;t think 1.08 had much work done to demos other than a few spectator things so it&#039;s probably the same. The only other scenario I know of that makes demos crash are players trying to use cheats for older versions and applying it to newer ones (this was actually a common practice from 1.06-1.07 as well as late 1.07 to early 1.08). That being said, I don&#039;t think Legion cheats and I doubt anybody would really do that because it requires some editing to those cheats to make them work in newer versions.<br /><br />As far as a &quot;grace demo&quot; goes, I&#039;m probably against that I suppose. If you don&#039;t have a demo, you don&#039;t have a demo. Whether it be because your computer is too 1337 to hold ZDaemon demos on it or because you flat out forgot to record it, there&#039;s no way for anybody to know the difference. So I think the current rules should still apply: No demo, no dooming for 3 minutes/1 flag. Corrupt Demo: you made the effort to record and you got screwed by ZDaemon, not your fault. <br /><br />And while we&#039;re on this discussion, I think there should be hefty penalties for players who try to upload different demos than those recorded for a game. So if somebody tried to upload a week 1 demo for a week 3 demo, there should be consequences. But I would only advise this if it turns out they never had a week 3 demo to begin with. It is possible to upload a wrong demo in place and if it&#039;s caught and you don&#039;t have the right demo at all, it&#039;s probably safe to assume you were trying to pull a fast one. And you should definitely be given some sort of penalty for that. It should be an infraction at the very least. If I had it my way, your ass would sit a round though, but that&#039;s probably why I&#039;m not on the board. :)&nbsp;  