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	(996, 129, 10, 1249845262, 7, 1002, 'IDL Summer 2009 Wildcard Playoffs', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.44', 1, 1249929886, 'Ladna', '[center][size=20pt][b]Official Servers for IDL Season VI Wildcard Playoffs[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b][color=red][International Doom League IDC Wildcard EBL vs. KGB - A][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=blue][International Doom League IDC Wildcard EBL vs. KGB - B][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=red][International Doom League WDC Wildcard BBC vs. FLS - A][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=blue][International Doom League WDC Wildcard BBC vs. FLS - B][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />[b]<br />Electric Bills v Killing Browns<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys v Flag Steelers<br />[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1002, 130, 10, 1249929840, 7, 1002, 'IDL Summer 2009 Conference Championships', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.44', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=20pt][b]Official Servers for IDL Season VI Conference Championships[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b][color=red][International Doom League IDC Conference Championship SUC vs. EBL - A][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=blue][International Doom League IDC Conference Championship SUC vs. EBL - B][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=red][International Doom League WDC Conference Championship BSK vs. BBC - A][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=blue][International Doom League WDC Conference Championship BSK vs. BBC - B][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />[b]<br />Super Chargers v Electric Bills<br /><br />Berserker Packers v Brokeback Cowboys<br />[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1490, 168, 11, 1266017236, 2, 1490, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.45.200', 1, 0, '', 'silly stall, they are in our conference, we will either see them or ebl :P', 'xx', 1);
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	(1647, 185, 11, 1268549278, 7, 1647, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.2.46', 1, 0, '', 'P.S. Beast I don&#039;t think your post is a dumb flame, but without it the thread has no context.&nbsp; I&#039;ll get back to you about that project.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1023, 133, 10, 1250899763, 10, 1023, 'IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '174.100.251.171', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=16pt][b]-=Welcome to the IDL Summer 2009 All-Star selection!=-[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Voting is open to any player who is currently on an active roster in the IDL.[/li] <br />[li]Anyone voting may vote on up to five players from each conference that they elect as league all-stars.[/li]<br />[li]Any player voted on must currently be on a roster.[/li]<br />[li]Voting will conclude on Wednesday, August 26th at 11:59:59 EST. Any votes received after that time will not be counted.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />Please vote using the following format:<br /><br />[quote]<br />INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE<br />Pick 1<br />Pick 2<br />Pick 3<br />Pick 4<br />Pick 5<br /><br />WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE<br />Pick 1<br />Pick 2<br />Pick 3<br />Pick 4<br />Pick 5<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The Summer 2009 All-Stars will be announced on Thursday, August 27th. Those selected will be offered the opportunity to play in the post-season All-Star game. There have been talks of this season&#039;s All-Star game being played and broadcasted as part of the Winter 2010 Live Draft celebration! More information on the All-Star game will be released after voting. Good luck to all players and thanks for a great season!', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1038, 134, 10, 1251096428, 49, 1038, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.239.64.19', 1, 0, '', 'I disliked the lack of me.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1033, 133, 10, 1251011683, 15, 1033, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.94.248', 1, 0, '', '[color=blue]INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br />Nostar<br />PotentPotables<br />Shadow Ghost<br />Xenaero<br />Cookies<br /><br />[color=red]WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br />HumanBones<br />METALBLACK<br />Mantis-X<br />Mikehail<br />Mid', 'xx', 1);
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	(1034, 133, 10, 1251051175, 20, 1034, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.160', 1, 0, '', '[color=blue]INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br />PotentPotables<br />Shadow Ghost<br />Nostar<br />Xenaero<br />Cookies<br /><br />[color=red]WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br />HumanBones<br />METALBLACK<br />ItalianStallion<br />Mikehail<br />Ladna', 'xx', 1);
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	(1169, 142, 11, 1258314238, 10, 1200, 'Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1260240408, 'Ralphis', 'What follows is the invite list for the Winter 2010 season of the International Doom league. With the exception of the 8 confirmed captains, all following players who confirm themselves to be in the league will be available for franchising and/or free agency (will be able to be drafted or picked up from any team until Wednesday of Week 5).<br /><br />A few quick definitions:<br /><br />[b]Franchise Player[/b] - A franchise player is a player that may be accepted to a team&#039;s roster without having to be selected through the draft. However, unlike the draft, both the player and captain must agree in order to use this player on the roster. This player may be used for up to two seasons with the same captain.<br /><br />[b]Free Agency[/b] - Any player who is not franchised is placed into free agency. The player remains a free agent until they are drafted to a team or until the trading deadline ends and roster changes are no longer allowed.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[b]IDL Winter 2010 Captains (*Denotes captain new to their club)[/b]<br /><br />* Xenaero - Electric Bills<br />* Tai - Killing Browns<br />* Doomguy666 - Doom Raiders<br />* Ralphis* - Super Chargers<br />* Shakal (12/07)* - Berserker Packers<br />* Shadow Ghost* - Spread Eagles<br />* Mantis-X - Brokeback Cowboys<br />* Ladna - Flag Steelers<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Any player on this list must contact a member of the IDL Administration, either the commissioner or board member, to confirm or deny their IDL invite. Any invites not responded to by Thursday, December 3rd (11:59pm EST) will be voided.<br /><br />Franchising of players may begin when the official Free Agency list for Winter 2010 is posted on Friday, December 4th. The final day a club can franchise is Sunday, December 13th.<br /><br />The draft will occur some time between December 14th-20th where teams will fill their roster with the required four players (order determined by Summer 2009 club record).<br /><br />Trading is unlimited during pre-season. Teams will be able to make a maximum of three trades from the beginning of Week 1 through Wednesday of Week 5, with one trade per week possible. Teams may not trade if they have played their game during that week and must wait until the following week to trade.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />This invite list was voted on and approved by the IDL Board.<br /><br />Invites bolded are confirmed players. Invites with a strike out are those who denied their invite.<br /><br />[b]IDL Winter 2010 Free Agency Invites[/b]<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Acolyte[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Anger[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Beast[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Brainthunk[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Bulb[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Chaindude[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Cha0tix[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Climhazzard[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Collision[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]cookies[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]DevastatioN[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Dew[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Dopefish[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Dragan[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Evolution[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Fastidious[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Fluffles[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Gilgamesh[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Goatface[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Gyrossman[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]HeavenWraith[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Hex Vulture[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]HumanBones[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Iceykiller[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]ItalianStallion[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Jenova[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]JKist3[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Kilgore[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Killemall[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Killingblair[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Legion[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Madgunner[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]METALBLACK[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Metalhead[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Midian[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Mikehail[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Mistopher[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Mortalogy[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Nero[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Nostar[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Oath[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Oscar Meyer[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Ourhero[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]potentpotables[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Roscoe[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Rosebird[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]RottKing[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]RussianDumbass[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Shakal[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Sier[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Strangle[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]Whiteboy567[/b]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [s]Wrath[/s]<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * [b]X-Ray[/b]', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1036, 133, 10, 1251072188, 26, 1036, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '82.43.130.177', 1, 0, '', 'INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE<br />Xen<br />Pot<br />Shadow<br />Coll<br />Gyross<br /><br />WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE<br />Bones<br />Dope<br />MB<br />Stall<br />Dew', 'xx', 1);
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	(1061, 134, 10, 1251558217, 10, 1061, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '174.100.251.171', 1, 0, '', 'While I don&#039;t think the introduction of that rule or one similar in nature is entirely out of the question Fast, the problem lies in the perception of what is positive for both teams. The fact that the board + commissioner also have a stake in the way teams in the league are built (as they are players themselves) always also brings up the issue of fair play. Will a board member or commissioner attempt to block a trade because it is beneficial to their own team?<br /><br />As I said though, such a rule is not entirely out of the question and it would be up to the board to introduce such a rule to vote on. A rule similar in nature (where a trade must be approved) to this already exists but only applies to franchised players.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1037, 134, 10, 1251095839, 10, 1037, 'Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '174.100.251.171', 1, 0, '', 'As the Summer 2009 season closes, the league asks captains, players, and fans of the league to please offer both what you enjoyed about this season and what you may have also disliked. What changes would you like to possibly see in the league in the future and how do you feel about the International Doom League as we move towards our Winter 2010 season (the league&#039;s 4th year and 7th season)?<br /><br />As always, the success of the league depends directly on the player base. Though we may not always implement all of the changes that are suggested (there are very many), we are listening.<br /><br />On behalf of the league, thank you for contributing to our success,<br />Ralphis', 'question', 1);
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	(1039, 134, 10, 1251171680, 15, 1039, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.99.154', 1, 0, '', 'I had no problems with this season.&nbsp; Would still like to see some server variety.&nbsp; Even if it does mean there won&#039;t be stats.... even though I haven&#039;t seen any on this season...', 'xx', 1);
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	(1040, 134, 10, 1251177755, 130, 1040, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.194.133', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=134.msg1039#msg1039 date=1251171680]<br />I had no problems with this season.&nbsp; Would still like to see some server variety.&nbsp; Even if it does mean there won&#039;t be stats.... even though I haven&#039;t seen any on this season...<br />[/quote]<br /><br />http://www.intldoomleague.org/stats', 'xx', 1);
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	(1041, 133, 10, 1251205278, 11, 1041, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '96.18.26.78', 1, 0, '', 'Ahhh yes, the IDL All-Star game. Although I have never been in such an event, I consider it an extreme honor to have had at least been voted for in past (and even current!) IDL seasons to compete in such an event. I have competed in every IDL there is, and to even be considered by anyone taking the time to vote to want me in such an event... well really, it just gives me another reason to continue to compete. IDL is extremely competitive, and I am just as extremely grateful to have gotten the opportunity to play with the best that this game has to offer. This crazy game that we play happens to be the one that standardized the &quot;FPS&quot; genre that continues to strive today. We should all be proud that players like us rose above the &quot;general&quot; crowd and dominated what is considered the standard. We do not compete for prizes or cash, but for the sole satisfaction to prove that we are the BEST that this game has to offer. Much like how Doom helped set the standard in the gaming world, we continue to set the standard in a competitive multiplayer environment. What&#039;s better then setting the standard of the standard? At least to me, this has been what IDL is about. <br /><br />Now, unlike my username that has followed me for over 5 years, I am going to be a bit unique here and give my reasons why I selected these players. I choose all these names from my experiences from a competitive and personal perspective. To me being positive in both of those categories creates the perfect player. Honestly there are more that fit the category, but we are limited to 10. Gotta have rules!!!!!!!!<br /><br />[color=blue]INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br /><br />[b]Shadow Ghost[/b] - [b]#1[/b]. As we all know, this Canadian was considered to be the #1 IDL draft pick way before the draft was even decided. Hell, the guy even avoided becoming franchised by anyone just so he could know what it&#039;s like to &quot;be in the draft.&quot; Shadow Ghost and I have a somewhat competitive history with each other in the 1v1 department... we were out to kill each other and we exchanged victories amongst each other, but to me he sealed the deal when I was defeated in a Doom2 Map01 tournament. We didn&#039;t meet on a 1v1 battlefield for years to come after that. #1 indeed, he was the best that I could have asked for on a team. Not only was he competitive, but he was friendly, reasonable, and just had a common agreement with me on how we wanted the season to work. Unfortunately, things just ultimately didn&#039;t work out, but I can assure you it was because of things out of our power ;) I used my &quot;mystery&quot; to select this individual and literally only a very few knew who #1 was going to be. Shadow Ghost can work with any team as far as I can tell and he enjoys winning.... to not place him on a team is just plain ignorance! I hope your ego is fueled even more, [b]#1[/b]!<br /><br />[b]Xenaero[/b] - This guy has been competing in Doom as far back as I can remember. I do believe he has competed in past All-Star games and that is with good reason. An interesting character, our dear friend DD has been somewhat notorious for his public &quot;rage&quot; moments and honestly it just makes him that much better. I have worked with him in Season 1, 3, and even managed to become his franchise pick in Season 5. Despite what in my opinion was an awesome team in Season 5, EBL completely collapsed and it pretty much put the team as a contender for one of the &quot;worst IDL teams in history.&quot; However, I feel we both tried what we could to make the team a force and it just seemed like fate was against us. Many issues (even internal ones!) decided the destruction of EBL, including what is considered a rigged match that sealed the deal at the end of the season on map04&nbsp;  :-\\ It was a decision of mine to break from being a franchise player to captain, and I must say that DD managed to capitalize and benefit from this season and had a chance to place EBL in the Conference Championships. No doubt this guy deserves to compete in yet another All-Star game!<br /><br />[b]PotentPotables[/b] - Obviously this goes without saying. PotentPotables, or Chewy/Hi Jango for those that remember from that far back, has proven himself multiple times. He&#039;s defeated the best that this game has to offer, inside and outside of IDL. He had a shaky start with GhostlyDeath and worked his way to become a multiple MasterBowl Champion. Pot is a guaranteed top pick and will continue to be so as long as he competes. A Champion by all rights, I only hope he continues to compete in the future.<br /><br />[b]Nostar[/b] - A huge competitor, he has successfully led his team to multiple championships and played his cards in a way to guarantee him his ideal team. I have always found him an easy man to work with and although I feel he always works best with his &quot;team&quot; he brings a top-notch game and can help make a difference in many situations. No doubt a professional in what he does, I only hope he continues to compete and definitely deserves a slot in the upcoming All-Star game. <br /><br />[B]Sabertooth[/b] - Another player that goes back a long time. Saber from my experience can work with any team. He was an essential part of the new EBL and is a very good all-around player. In my opinion, the addition of Sabertooth just makes the IDC more powerful and to not see him compete is just a complete waste. <br /><br />[color=red]WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br /><br />[b]mikehail[/b] - We all pretty much recognize miek. He doubled the amount of flag captures this season over the 2nd place flag captures and that alone should speak for itself. With 261 flag touches and 51 captures there is no doubt that mikehail is an essential part of not only his team, but the WDC team. I personally made it my decision to specifically use him as my scheduling guy during IDL 6 and I must say, inside and outside of the game, he is the one of the best I have ever worked with. Ping means nothing with miek and I only hope he continues to do what he does best! Although he didn&#039;t get it this season, no doubt in my mind that this man deserves a Masterbowl title and there is one in his future!<br /><br />[B]METALBLACK[/B] - Another long-time recognized player, Metalblack is indeed one of the best that I&#039;ve encountered in the IDL. He is as competitive as it gets, and even prior to IDL 6 him and I met only on a strict competitive basis. Although he may or may not remember, I had teamed with him during multiple practice sessions vs FLS in season 5 on map20 of the current IDL wad, and I remember we were losing the match until about midway and he finally had a chance to bring us home a flag and I got in his way by blocking him (on accident of course!) and he threw some negative words towards me for it ;) I could see how competitive he was and it only made me want to be even more competitive and we ended up crushing FLS regardless during the last half of the match&nbsp; 8) When I face against Ralphis I enjoy watching him lose and we made it happen ;) Metalblack is one of my favorites and I really feel he will make an all-star appearance in the IDL 6 All-Star game.<br /><br />[B]HumanBones[/b] - With no surprise, no doubt bones will make it to the All-Star game this season. Just short of a MasterBowl title, he has multiple championship accolades under his belt and is always a force to be reckoned with. He has shown the ability to work with different teams and to me he is one of my favorite players to team up with. Chemistry means a lot and it is great that I was able to get him as my #1 draft pick in IDL 1 (Yes, I WAS the original captain of SXG before my lame scheduling kicked in and got me replaced!). Obviously bones will make it to the all-star game and he is certainly deserving of it. <br /><br />[b]Mantis-X[/b] - He is what a captain is made of, not only does he bring his own skill to the table, but from my own experience he is very easy to work with and arrange things and he believes in getting the job done. Mantis-X built himself a very powerful team and led BBC to become the WDC Conference Champions and take on SUC in Masterbowl VI. He is a player that certainly deserves to be considered one of the WDC&#039;s finest and once again I only hope that he continues to compete!<br /><br />[b]Midian[/b] - Midian goes back a long way. I first encountered him in the world of Skulltag and he shattered the theory that anyone from there wouldn&#039;t amount to anything. Or maybe that was just my opinion at the time.... either way, midian has clearly proven multiple times that he wants to win and when he teams up with HumanBones it just becomes a powerful combination. I always find it humorous when mid plays mid because well........ yeah.... I am pretty sure he will see the All-Star game&nbsp; :)<br /><br />And that&#039;s that. IDL 6 meant a lot to me because I feel I drew a lot of attention with the mystery around my draft pick. Without franchising a player I guaranteed Mr. &quot;I don&#039;t want to be franchised&quot; to team with me and made a lot of people wonder what the fuck I was up to. DMR was without a doubt an extremely powerful team but unfortunately we just weren&#039;t able to pull it off. I tried my hardest to work with my own schedule as well as my teams and I just hope that I didn&#039;t let anyone down. I am very proud and grateful that I had the opportunity to lead such a team and I hope that I can go even further in the next season as DMR&#039;s captain!<br /><br />On a finishing note, I would like to bring up one other thing. Maybe I shouldn&#039;t mention anything but hell, I&#039;ve said this much and I&#039;m in one of my rare moods. I just want to &quot;thank&quot; [b]MionicDonut[/b] for being so &quot;supportive&quot; of his team and for reminding us just how &quot;highly&quot; he thought of us and &quot;raised our spirits&quot; prior to some of our matches. You certainly showed me a side that I didn&#039;t pay attention to during our time in EBL and you certainly opened our eyes.&nbsp; <br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1042, 134, 10, 1251220788, 19, 1042, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 1251220905, 'Xenaero', 'Well, I was sort of disappointed in the lack of achievements this season, but that&#039;s really not a big deal as I can sometimes make it out to be. Ladna is a busy man! I have high hopes for next season, mostly because I get to unleash delicious surprises upon the unsuspecting players. One thing I liked this season was the late addition of a rule regarding forfeiture. I do wish that there were a more immediate penalty, cause it won&#039;t affect teams that don&#039;t want to play a game, instead penalizing the captain next season whether it was in his control or not. <br /><br />I disagree with ItalianStallion on server variety. I&#039;ve constantly bitched about TT and my pretty high packet loss rate (Which I blame fully on my shitty fuck son of ass ISP), but the fact remains that on the whole, there are less problems caused between teams in picking servers, and TT is located in a fairly neutral place as far as North America goes. I don&#039;t see a major problem with it in the near future. Anyone remember the playoffs before there was only one server to play on? I swear arguments on what servers to use when would go on for a long time, plus demos were split up, and some teams get screwed over...It goes on and on. It&#039;s probably not worth it having more than one server to choose from.<br /><br />Anyone who&#039;s hung out in #intldoomleague knows I have beef with how homefields work. I still don&#039;t think that seeded teams in the conference playoffs should play on their selected homefield. I really have no good idea on how to address it, only one that I sort of pulled out of my ass. Everyone seems to be fine with the fact that conference-seeded teams have not only their homefield, but also have proven they&#039;re pretty strong on any given map during the regular season, having been seeded in the first place. To me that seems like too steep of a slope in their favor, even despite some upsets in IDL history like BBC defeating BSK this year. Here&#039;s my idea: If they won so many games then why not have the maps shifted around a bit? Teams still pick their homefields, but in the wildcard playoffs, if the team has the homefield advantage wins, the losing wildcard team in that conference&#039;s homefield is used in the conference playoffs. However, if the disadvantaged team wins, they could choose to use their homefield or the conference seed&#039;s homefield. To put it in example of this season&#039;s IDC wildcard playoffs: KGB v EBL on EBL&#039;s homefield of map07. If KGB won, they could either play map08 (SUC&#039;s HF) or map20 (KGB&#039;s HF) against SUC. If EBL won, they would play map20 against SUC. This is probably not the best example since no one in their right mind would willingly pick map08 against SUC, but you get the picture. I&#039;m still working this out in my head, but as far as I can see, this gives no incentive for players to play poorly, as was constantly argued in #idl. If you play poorly intentionally to be the lower seed in the wildcard as to get your homefield, you have a significant chance of losing on a different team&#039;s homefield and also have to go through another game to work your way to the Masterbowl. At the same time, this does not disadvantage teams that have been seeded in the conference playoffs, considering that they have proved their might in the regular season to &quot;adapt and overcome&quot;, and pretty much every team practices maps to begin with anyway. This adds even more excitement and competition into the league&#039;s final weeks, IMO. My system might not get implemented, but damn if I didn&#039;t try. 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1486, 168, 11, 1265942266, 147, 1486, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'you shouldn&#039;t feel bad, your sorry excuse for a captain should.&nbsp; ggs miek and dev.<br /><br />as an aside - where do i upload demos?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1554, 178, 11, 1267065266, 2, 1554, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.41.157', 1, 0, '', 'Hey I just want to make it clear I specifically stayed away from the term mini-idl being led by goatface, I have my own life to look out for after all!!&nbsp; While I don&#039;t think my idea was fully verbalized or understood, my idea would be something like a weekly map feature (similar to how IDL features a weekly map) where players would be encouraged to maybe mix up teams or try unique positions they normally do not, while trying out different strategies, tricks, and other tasty map tidbits to not only develop some of these maps into popular staples, but also to keep players on their toes and hopefully stir up some new ideas about CTF in general (I will never pause nostar go stuff it up yr butt!)&nbsp; It is just an idea I had and like all ideas refinement is necessary, Denny&#039;s take certainly sounds interesting as well in a slightly similar way to what I proposed.<br /><br />There are other things which could be considered as well, so long as we are considering stupid and odd ideas, like the use of invisibility, invulnerability, railguns, CYBERCTF, and any other weird crap you might like.&nbsp; Also, I think most of those ideas listed are stupid, with the exception of cyberctf!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1115, 136, 1, 1253721213, 143, 1115, 'Re: It''s coming', 'HeavenWraith', 'mair0nistaichou@gmail.com', '78.60.198.83', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m 12 and what is this?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1043, 134, 10, 1251223962, 16, 1043, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.63.184.213', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=134.msg1042#msg1042 date=1251220788]<br />Anyone who&#039;s hung out in #intldoomleague knows I have beef with how homefields work. I still don&#039;t think that seeded teams in the conference playoffs should play on their selected homefield. I really have no good idea on how to address it, only one that I sort of pulled out of my ass. Everyone seems to be fine with the fact that conference-seeded teams have not only their homefield, but also have proven they&#039;re pretty strong on any given map during the regular season, having been seeded in the first place. To me that seems like too steep of a slope in their favor, even despite some upsets in IDL history like BBC defeating BSK this year. Here&#039;s my idea: If they won so many games then why not have the maps shifted around a bit? Teams still pick their homefields, but in the wildcard playoffs, if the team has the homefield advantage wins, the losing wildcard team in that conference&#039;s homefield is used in the conference playoffs. However, if the disadvantaged team wins, they could choose to use their homefield or the conference seed&#039;s homefield. To put it in example of this season&#039;s IDC wildcard playoffs: KGB v EBL on EBL&#039;s homefield of map07. If KGB won, they could either play map08 (SUC&#039;s HF) or map20 (KGB&#039;s HF) against SUC. If EBL won, they would play map20 against SUC. This is probably not the best example since no one in their right mind would willingly pick map08 against SUC, but you get the picture. I&#039;m still working this out in my head, but as far as I can see, this gives no incentive for players to play poorly, as was constantly argued in #idl. If you play poorly intentionally to be the lower seed in the wildcard as to get your homefield, you have a significant chance of losing on a different team&#039;s homefield and also have to go through another game to work your way to the Masterbowl. At the same time, this does not disadvantage teams that have been seeded in the conference playoffs, considering that they have proved their might in the regular season to &quot;adapt and overcome&quot;, and pretty much every team practices maps to begin with anyway. This adds even more excitement and competition into the league&#039;s final weeks, IMO. My system might not get implemented, but damn if I didn&#039;t try. 8)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The #1 seed only gets to use their homefield once, though. Saying &quot;it&#039;s not fair, it&#039;s not fair, the #1 seed is too good on the map they played&quot; is just childish to me. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1254, 144, 11, 1260591096, 7, 1254, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.1.74', 1, 0, '', 'The IDL administration has allowed Cha0tix to enter the league late, on the condition that he franchise immediately with Shakal, due to the fact that Shakal took over the captainship of BSK after the invite acceptance deadline had elapsed. Cha0tix had previously declined his invitation, but was known to be willing to play if Shakal had been a captain at the time.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1166, 140, 11, 1258097704, 134, 1167, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Dragan', 'poliee13@hotmail.com', '96.18.29.152', 1, 1258142619, 'nostar', 'Name: Dragan<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: poliee13@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: lolitsme16 - AIM<br />Regular Availability: Mmm usually nights but arranged works just fine +)<br />Captain: Newp.<br /><br />(edit: you forgot to change the name)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1170, 142, 11, 1258314355, 19, 1170, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', 'i decline my invite', 'xx', 1);
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	(1100, 135, 1, 1252900737, 7, 1100, 'Lag and associated things', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '98.223.194.133', 1, 0, '', 'So lately I&#039;ve been digging around Odamex trying to fix, or at least understand the gay jerky players thing.&nbsp; The problem, if you&#039;re unaware, is that players sort of jump around the screen - not in a huge, Shakal kind of way, but a disorienting sort of jerking around.&nbsp; You can easily test this out, get someone to join an Odamex server with you and have one of you stand still while the other strafes left to right in front of the other.&nbsp; The strafing player will every so often jump a little too far as it moves.<br /><br />Basically the problem is with Odamex&#039;s prediction, and I found this awesome &quot;paper&quot; about all things Netcode - lag, interpolation, extrapolation, cheating, etc. [WARNING: PDF] [url=http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool/courses/4513-B03/papers/games/bernier.pdf]http://web.cs.wpi.edu/~claypool/courses/4513-B03/papers/games/bernier.pdf[/url].&nbsp; It&#039;s written by one of the guys who wrote Half-Life&#039;s engine, so I&#039;d say he knows what he&#039;s talking about.&nbsp; Anyway, I was reading through it and lots of stuff started to make sense to me, so hopefully it helps someone else.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8512, 843, 17, 1361586787, 2303, 8512, 'Re: Franchising.', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'this is completely. I am the disugsted of import player into league my self captain of the&nbsp; ???<br /><br />franchising is an idea that is sub of the stallion is in. for you. i am the in legend for implicate around the a good.&nbsp; :-*', 'xx', 1);
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	(1322, 157, 11, 1262425336, 10, 1322, 'Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=20pt][b]Official Servers for Week 1 of IDL Winter 2010[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b][color=red][International Doom League Week 1 - ODA02 (MAP02) - A][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=blue][International Doom League Week 1 -&nbsp; ODA02 (MAP02) - B][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=red][International Doom League Week 1 -&nbsp; ODA02 (MAP02) - C][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[b][color=blue][International Doom League Week 1 -&nbsp; ODA02 (MAP02) - D][/color]<br />66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />[b]<br />Doom Raiders v Electric Bills (CONF)<br /><br />Berserker Packers v Brokeback Cowboys (CONF)<br /><br />Flag Steelers v Super Chargers<br /><br />Spread Eagles v Killing Browns<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1132, 140, 11, 1256312300, 10, 1132, 'IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=16pt]IDL Signups Open[/size][/b][/center]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Signups for IDL Winter 2010 are now open!&nbsp; Interested players may sign up using this template:<br /><br />[quote]<br />Name: Ralphis<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: ralphis@coolsite.com<br />Instant Message Contact: ralphissfr6 (AIM)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings except Wednesday and Friday (due to work)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />IDL is still invite-only, and we are first and foremost interested in signing up [b]active players[/b] in IDL, and the best ways of us finding out who&#039;s active and who&#039;s not are [u]Private CTF[/u], [u]IRC[/u], and this thread.&nbsp; If you know of players who would be interested, feel free to have them sign up here.&nbsp; However, simply signing up in this thread [b]does not[/b] guarantee an invite.<br /><br />[u][b]The best way to increase your chances of receiving an invite is to play Private CTF with the other IDL players, as well as spending time in the official IDL IRC channel.[/b][/u]&nbsp; For Private CTF info and the latest IDL news, come to #intldoomleague at irc.quakenet.org.', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1148, 140, 11, 1257376822, 16, 1148, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Tai<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: Tai223236@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: For IRC, #skulltag and #skrullrant in irc.skulltag.com, then #intldoomleague and #(R) in QuakeNet<br />Regular Availability: Anytime ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1266, 147, 11, 1260651066, 27, 1266, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'CabooseA7X', 'CabooseA7X@hotmail.com', '69.39.94.20', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1263#msg1263 date=1260649320]<br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1262#msg1262 date=1260642733]<br />Why did I quit your team Nostar? Maybe because we had a Perfectly fit team, and your whole philosophy for each and every season was to get Chewy and JKist, hell rules were even made just so YOU could do this. I don&#039;t understand why we need to stack clans on IDL, I disagree with it. I found my experinces in IDL to be most fun when I was with a group of random players, and you dropping kandy for chewy, that did get me off. But I also had other things to do, you just pushed me with the whole trading deal. and I do play both ports, not one specifically.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Okay so originally my phiosophy in IDL is to get on a team with people I can stand and then win as much as I can. I am extremely good at it. And while I realize that you have little girl feelings, that doesn&#039;t make you any less of a quitting fag.[/quote]<br /><br />lol, what even begins to make me have little girl feelings about it? All my point is, why do we try to stack teams with people already in the same clan, this isn&#039;t a clan tournament, but players like you try to make it be one. I&#039;m just curious as why do that, instead of trying to just get a bunch of good players to work well. I might&#039;ve never went to a masterbowl or anything, but it&#039;s all just for fun after all!<br /><br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1263#msg1263 date=1260649320]<br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1262#msg1262 date=1260642733]<br />Are you referring to a 1v1? the last time I even recall playing you in a 1v1, I was fucking around on my laptop? lol?<br />I&#039;m sorry that each and every game (that&#039;s not accounted) I don&#039;t try 100% as you do star &lt;/3<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I was really just making that up. I don&#039;t remember the last time I played you because you don&#039;t really play this game anymore, and thusly didn&#039;t not receive an invite to IDL. Same reason we didn&#039;t invite Kandy or Whopper or Bloodstrike. They don&#039;t play anymore. The that you [admittedly] threw a game didn&#039;t help your case for sure.<br /><br />just stick to the port where no balls are necessary. Thanks!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yes, I understand I don&#039;t play as often as I use to. But I did show some interest, I wasn&#039;t even intending on rising anything about it until I saw something along the lines of, that I wasn&#039;t invited because I did something wrong rather than Inactivity, which was the reason being why I came to this case.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1263#msg1263 date=1260649320]<br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1262#msg1262 date=1260642733]<br />I&#039;m also sorry that you have such harsh feelings for me!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually I kinda of like you. Despite all the shit I talk I&#039;ve found you to be a good player. You&#039;re epically dumb and need about 6 more years of school before I could stand hanging out with you, but doom-wise you&#039;re a worthwhile scroob. I do think you take this a little too serious though. A lot of R people did for some reason. I know NS rocked people pretty hard, but afterward we&#039;d go rocket each other in map01. We never had recruitment sub-clans or a Chaos Core. So don&#039;t talk to me about taking this too seriously. I&#039;m just jerking ur chain because it&#039;s fun.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t see why you think I take this serious, If I barely get on anymore, I just bring topics just for the sake of debate! It&#039;s in my nature rather.<br /><br />Sub-clans I don&#039;t really know what you&#039;re talking about, maybe alias clans? but other than that I don&#039;t see what you&#039;re referring at all.<br /><br />Chaos Core is a mapping team, I do intend on going to college to minor in video game development, so I did want to create some projects on doom, as well as other engines. I enjoy coding and all the other development factors just as much as doom. Chaos Core isn&#039;t competitive at all. <br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1263#msg1263 date=1260649320]<br />For the record, I believe you all threw that game. And frankly I don&#039;t care. None of you had any chance at winning IDL that season anyway, Tai, Saber, whose ever team Donut was on. It was just a squabble between suckers imo.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Then why even waste your time debating this whole subject! It&#039;s not like it was a HUGE turning point in the league.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1263#msg1263 date=1260649320]<br />And while I am a little sad you won&#039;t be in IDL, I think that is your fault. You&#039;re inactive and whiny. Grow some balls or just stick to the port where no balls are necessary. Thanks!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I showed interest did I not? I play both ports for the simple factor of fun. I find IDL fun from time to time, but this all serious business about it, is pretty unattractive. I like the concept and everything, just I think the tone of Seriousness needs to be taken down a notch. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1044, 134, 10, 1251224880, 19, 1044, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 1251227106, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=134.msg1043#msg1043 date=1251223962]<br />The #1 seed only gets to use their homefield once, though. Saying &quot;it&#039;s not fair, it&#039;s not fair, the #1 seed is too good on the map they played&quot; is just childish to me.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />A side note before I begin, Tai, I highly doubt SUC would be affected by this change, since that&#039;s obviously what you think I&#039;m referring to. It&#039;s not like anyone has ended their streak on any map yet.<br /><br />OK. Part of my argument was the rhetorical question that you derived your incorrect assumption of my stance from. I think you didn&#039;t actually read the paragraph and just instead skimmed it without thinking about what I was saying. I didn&#039;t say &quot;it&#039;s not fair, it&#039;s not fair, the #1 seed is too good on the map they played&quot; once during the paragraph. If they&#039;re good enough to carry on, they&#039;ll win no matter the map, right? They&#039;ll prove themselves to go to the Masterbowl just like SUC and BBC did this season. What I&#039;m suggesting is an idea towards making it more competitive post-season. Now, what I was [b]hoping[/b] people would do is help refine the idea or give some [b]valuable[/b] (&lt;--- key word) input on it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1045, 134, 10, 1251237478, 10, 1045, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '174.100.251.171', 1, 0, '', 'Fun fact relevant to the homefield topic.<br /><br />I just went back and checked all of the seasons and how the #1 seeded conference teams did on their own maps:<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Winter 2007:<br />Both top seeded teams win on their homefields and progress to MasterBowl<br /><br />Summer 2007:<br />#1 Overall team of the league, Team Sausage Fest, loses on their homefield in the first round to Caveman Syndicate. #1 IDC Seed Dee Colons progresses to MasterBowl.<br /><br />Winter 2008:<br />#1 WDC Seed, The Best Around, progresses to MasterBowl. #1 Overall team of the league, Pak Attack, loses on their homefield in the first round to Virgin Roster.<br /><br />Summer 2008:<br />#1 Overall team, We&#039;re All Doomed, loses on their homefield in the Conference championship to Deep Thrusts. #1 IDC Seed, Reign in Blood, progresses to MasterBowl.<br /><br />Winter 2009:<br />#1 WDC Seed, Berserker Packers, loses on their homefield in the Conference championship to the Flag Steelers. #1 Overall seed, Super Chargers, progress to MasterBowl.<br /><br />Summer 2009:<br />#1 WDC Seed, Berserker Packers, loses on their homefield in the Conference championship to the Brokeback Cowboys. #1 Overall seed, Super Chargers, progress to MasterBowl.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />I guess what I&#039;m getting at is that for the past 5 of 6 consecutive seasons, the #1 seed in at least one conference has lost on their homefield. This more or less splits it down the middle as to the &quot;fairness&quot; since the outcome is typically 50/50 overall. <br /><br />Another interesting and relevant stat is related to all-time playoff performances in the league, which indicates that roughly 27% of playoff games result in an underdog victory.<br /><br />Also discovered during this research is that at least one #1 seeded team from each conference [i]has[/i] made it to the MasterBowl each season (excepting Winter 2007 where both #1 seeds progressed) and, subsequently, defeated their opponent who won their conference at a lower seed.<br /><br />Winning your conference is a reward for doing so. If there were no playoffs at all, conference champions would be the team with the most wins at the end of the regular season. <br /><br />The playoffs are a way for teams who typically performed commendable during the season to redeem themselves with a championship run and, as the trends show, are indeed possible.<br /><br />By making it into the playoffs you have roughly a 1/4 chance of defeating a higher seeded opponent and a little bit under 50% chance of winning the Conference Championship seeded #2 or lower.<br /><br />Summation: The system works.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1133, 140, 11, 1256312846, 22, 1133, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Shadow_Ghost<br />Country: Canada<br />Email contact: Denny_1020@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: Denny_1020@hotmail.com (MSN)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings and weekends<br />Captain: Y', 'xx', 1);
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	(1258, 147, 11, 1260598236, 2, 1258, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.47.143', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1256#msg1256 date=1260596754]<br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=147.msg1252#msg1252 date=1260589380]<br />We now have top players and people that carry clout that, instead of encouraging new players to join our community, berate new players in priv, refuse to let them play, ban them, and humiliate them in front of everybody they possibly can. <br /><br />These types of attitudes are not helpful when you&#039;re trying to bring new players in. You can say they need to get thicker skin, but if you&#039;re one of the people doing this, maybe you just need to [i]stop being an asshole[/i].&nbsp; <br />[/quote]<br /><br />I feel like you&#039;re trying to single someone out here.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Ya, U BUSTER', 'xx', 1);
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	(1279, 144, 11, 1260855845, 49, 1279, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'STP all day.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1281, 144, 11, 1260857066, 69, 1281, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 0, '', 'Mike going first is also possible.&nbsp; When I thought white was going to shak I had ladna picking up mike for running and then rounding it out with MB for frags.&nbsp; However, I think whiteboy is too good not to take, and all three of them are versatile players which could produce interesting positions.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1323, 157, 11, 1262427503, 10, 1323, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]SPOT LIGHT GAME[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />This is an interesting matchup as what is perhaps the fastest unit in the league matches up against what looks to be one of the most frag heavy in a rematch of last season&#039;s WDC Conference Championship game. Also, this will be the league&#039;s first ever spot lighted broadcast game. Are the teams going to show up ready to make cameras flash?<br /><br />The Cowboys retained their core with Mantis-X and ItalianStallion in the off season, but how will the loss of METALBLACK affect this squad? RottKing, the man who replaced METALBLACK, has earned a reputation of being curse laden and bad luck. After four seasons of no playoff berths, will RottKing finally be able to shake this image?<br /><br />The Berserker Packers will be bringing a lot of speed to the game this week. Expect the team&#039;s post-draft acquisition Rosebird to have a few tricks up her sleeve if she&#039;s put in the driver&#039;s seat of the offense. Will a team with seemingly no true defensive backbone be able to make a statement this season? This game will likely set the tone for what&#039;s to come with a spotlighted week 2 showdown with the divisional rival Spread Eagles.<br /><br />[i]Unlikely that the Berserker Packers will be able to fend off the wave of super shotguns that will rain down on them, however not impossible. With some crafty, intelligent play the Berserker Packers can pull off what will appear to be an upset against the reigning WDC Conference Champs with their immense speed and running abilities.[/i]<br />[center][b]BBC 2-0 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />A seriously critical game for both teams here in a league that looks packed to the brim with talent. <br /><br />Doomguy666 and his Doom Raiders have a lot to prove here after missing the playoffs last season and receiving harsh criticism for drafting Dragan so high in the draft. Will Killingblair, who has emerged as a star of private CTF recently, get any playing time in DMR&#039;s season opener or will he be watching from the sidelines?<br /><br />The Electric Bills return with Xenaero and Collision, core components of last season&#039;s run which took them all the way to the IDC Conference Championship. With the addition of midian, an all-star player who spent his last two seasons on the Berserker Packers, can this team recapture their division for the second season in a row? If they hope to do that, a win this week will be a necessity.<br /><br />[i]Depending on who plays from which team, the Raiders have a chance here. If they play their cards wrong however, this will have the potential to get ugly very quickly, especially if their squad has not put in time for practice. The Bills start the season off leading their division this week with a narrow victory.[/i]<br />[center][b]EBL 2-1 DMR[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />With week 1 approaching, we&#039;ll finally be able to get a good look at the new Spread Eagles, a squad expected to finally propel the club into its first playoff berth. However, Tai and his Killing Browns have another idea.<br /><br />One could argue that the Spread Eagles are the most talented club in the league just by looking at the history of its players. Another might argue that, though this team is certainly strong defensively, the lack of a true top runner may be this team&#039;s downfall. Which player on the Eagles will step up and try to fill those shoes?<br /><br />The Killing Browns are fierce this season from what has been observed in practice. The dynamic running combination of mikehail and Oath appears to be one that will be flustering even the most proven of defenses all season. Tai in the backfield is nothing to overlook either as he&#039;s one of the most prolific defenders in the league. Can he stop himself from playing superman?<br /><br />[i]Upset special. The Killing Browns come out with a versatile offensive attack that the Eagles&#039; defense will not be able to adjust to in time.[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 0-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center]This will likely be a good game![/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1046, 134, 10, 1251238249, 16, 1046, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.63.184.213', 1, 1251239116, 'Tai', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=134.msg1044#msg1044 date=1251224880]<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=134.msg1043#msg1043 date=1251223962]<br />The #1 seed only gets to use their homefield once, though. Saying &quot;it&#039;s not fair, it&#039;s not fair, the #1 seed is too good on the map they played&quot; is just childish to me.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />A side note before I begin, Tai, I highly doubt SUC would be affected by this change, since that&#039;s obviously what you think I&#039;m referring to. It&#039;s not like anyone has ended their streak on any map yet.<br /><br />OK. Part of my argument was the rhetorical question that you derived your incorrect assumption of my stance from. I think you didn&#039;t actually read the paragraph and just instead skimmed it without thinking about what I was saying. I didn&#039;t say &quot;it&#039;s not fair, it&#039;s not fair, the #1 seed is too good on the map they played&quot; once during the paragraph. If they&#039;re good enough to carry on, they&#039;ll win no matter the map, right? They&#039;ll prove themselves to go to the Masterbowl just like SUC and BBC did this season. What I&#039;m suggesting is an idea towards making it more competitive post-season. Now, what I was [b]hoping[/b] people would do is help refine the idea or give some [b]valuable[/b] (&lt;--- key word) input on it.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah, I did read it. Just because I disagree doesn&#039;t mean I didn&#039;t understand what you were saying.&nbsp; <br /><br />But here&#039;s what I got from it: <br /><br />In the wildcard: <br /><br /> Higher seed wins --&gt; The loser&#039;s map is used in the conference championship. So basically, neither of the top 2 teams&#039; maps are used.....instead, they&#039;d be using the map of the team that&#039;s out of the playoffs. What? <br /><br />Lower seed wins --&gt; That team can decide to use their map or the top seed in the conference&#039;s map.<br /><br />In other words, the top seed may possibly not be able to play on their homefield map. <br /><br />One word: Pointless. <br /><br />You reallyw ant the lower seed to have their map played that bad? Here&#039;s a suggestion.<br /><br />Make playoffs a best of 3: First round&#039;s the top seed&#039;s map, 2nd round&#039;s the lower seed map, and if the teams are tied after two rounds, last round&#039;s the top seed&#039;s map. If it goes to OT, the team with the most flags after three rounds gets their map played for the remainder of the match. If even then the flags are tied, then alternate maps again, starting with the top seed&#039;s map.<br /><br />Pick and prod with that suggestion has you please. I&#039;d much rather see that then the top 2 seeds&#039; maps not being played if those were the teams to make the conference championship. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1134, 140, 11, 1256313079, 19, 1134, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 1256313278, 'Xenaero', 'Name: Shadow_Ghost<br />Country: Canada<br />Email contact: Denny_1020@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: Denny_1020@hotmail.com (MSN)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings and weekends<br />Captain: Y', 'xx', 1);
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	(1633, 178, 11, 1268157621, 38, 1633, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.41.82', 1, 0, '', 'You also forgot everyone loves me and I&#039;m the best no doubt about it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2398, 234, 3, 1282943476, 215, 2398, 'Re: Hello', 'Rygrass', 'rygrass@hotmail.com', '125.237.171.218', 1, 0, '', 'Hey Finally got registered ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3094, 345, 14, 1293086441, 130, 3094, 'Re: Winter 2010 Post-Draft Discussion &amp; Debate', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '173.171.57.5', 1, 0, '', '[b]Doom Raiders: Goatface Saber Mid Climhazzard[/b]<br /><br />A lot of very funny drama with this team so far. I think middd will show more than he did for me last season. He&#039;s been around a ton lately and playing well too. Saber is capable at doing a lot and Goat, when his connection allows, is a very effective captain and player. I do see some problems within the div, fighting with Ralph and Caboose for a playoff berth, but tbh Goat is in the hard conference this year and I wouldn&#039;t be surprised at either outcome, playoffs or no.<br /><br />[b]Killing Browns: Tai Whiteboy Goblin MadV[/b]<br /><br />I actually think this team is just okay. White is great and Tai is great but the other two players are sketchy at best. We&#039;ll see how much they have to compensate for lackluster 3rds and if they manage to do so. I&#039;m going to make them a wildcard and then hopefully I won&#039;t see them again. If I do there will be blood.<br /><br />[b]Spread Eagles: Mantis-X Chaindude Mandolore ThatsJustPrime[/b]<br /><br />If Chain can play then sure, this team could be good, but not great. Most of the WDC teams are bad that is why I think this team is capable of playoffs.<br /><br />[b]Flag Steelers: Legion Bloodstrike Kov Beast[/b]<br /><br />This is a bust. I really hoped legion would trade his #4 pick down for #8 #9 or #10. He really needed two substantial players and instead of got Blood and a mexican. I hope you have a good plan Legion. As it stands you&#039;re the suicide league&#039;s patsy. Trade!<br /><br />[b]Sexual Panthers: Humanbones Killingblair Dew MassVC[/b]<br /><br />I seriously don&#039;t know what the fuck bones was thinking. MIEK WAS STILL AVAILABLE U JAG! Anyway Blair is nice and good at doom so that is a plus. Dewww is totally gimped by ping but he&#039;s really effective on some maps, and a few he is great at we play this season. MassVC was way underrated coming in and Bones made the best pick of 4ths imo. <br /><br />[b]Demonic Colts: Caboose Shakal X-Ray Aerial[/b]<br /><br />If Shak can get a working rig by idl start this will be good I think. X-ray might not be a 2nd yet but he&#039;s one of the best 3rds in the league assuming his connection is in order.<br /><br />[b]Fnordy Niners: Strangle Mikehail Collision Dosu[/b]<br /><br />Strnagle: you need to trade miek and collision and dosu. This team is incompatible. Try to get yr monies worth for miek and anything for dosu. Coll will turn some heads if he shows the first few weeks. Here are the teams you should talk to: EBL<br /><br />[b]Techno Vikings: RussianDumbass Nostar Dr_Noob Turska[/b]<br /><br />This team is very full.......OF BUTTS!<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers: Ralphis Gilgamesh Joshsmith Reckless[/b]<br /><br />Do whatever, you got gr8 picks. Idk how Josh fell so far. Even still, at your best you will meet a gruesome end in the conf. playoffs.<br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys: ItalianStallion LordBritish Xenaero OurHero[/b]<br /><br />I like this team. Also fuck off Stallion I scored 13 times last season. Xen + LB = my dream team. BBC for MB!<br /><br />[b]Electric Bills: Hatred RustInPeace Metalhead Higgs[/b]<br /><br />This is horrible. Trade trade trade. You have one player that cannot do everything. Unless Metalhead learns to D on an IDL level then you guys are fucked. Maybe she&#039;ll shape up, but trade anyway.<br /><br />[b]Berserker Packers Jenova Devastation RottKing Dawsonation[/b]<br /><br />I was down right shocked. Dev? I mean he&#039;s a really solid player but...I did not see Jen taking him. And then Rott? ROTT? Actually you probably made the right picks. Middd is iffy on the attendance, same with Coll. In your situation I can only see taking Josh and Xen over those guys. I might have gone for a Josh/Rott combo but...I can see now why your team is how it is. We&#039;ll see if your team can find it&#039;s way to the masterbowl again. I have doubts.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8231, 730, 28, 1360125992, 214, 8231, 'Re: Convert ZDaemon Mouse to Odamex', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.25.184', 1, 0, '', 'For anyone interested in the detailed write up regarding the mouse and settings:<br /><br />[quote=Dr. Sean]After thorough investigation, I have discovered a great deal about the internals of how ZDoom 1.23 and its derivatives handle mouse input which I will try to distill here.&nbsp; This post will be updated as more information is discovered.<br /><br />Odamex&#039;s Mouse Input Types<br /><br />Odamex uses DirectInput for its mouse input on the Windows platform and as of 0.5.6, it provides two mouse types: Doom and Odamex.&nbsp; The input processing for the two types is identical and the only difference is with regard to the mouse_sensitivity cvar, where the mouse_sensitivity value with the Doom mouse type is always 5 less than the equivalent mouse_sensitivity value for the Odamex mouse type.<br /><br />For example, Doom mouse type &amp; mouse_sensitivity = 35 is equivalent to Odamex mouse type &amp; mouse_sensitivity = 40.<br /><br /><br />[size=5][b]ZDoom&#039;s Mouse Input Types[/b][/size]<br /><br />The most important factor relating to mouse input in ZDoom-derived ports is the cvar in_mouse.&nbsp; With the default value of in_mouse = 0, the game selects the default method of mouse input for the OS, which is using DirectInput (also can be explicitly specified with in_mouse = 2). A value of in_mouse = 1 uses USER32.DLL calls (we&#039;ll call this Win32).&nbsp; The overwhelming majority of players will have in_mouse set to 0 and therefore use the DirectInput mouse type.<br /><br />[size=5][b]ZDoom DirectInput Mouse[/b][/size]<br /><br />DirectInput (part of the DirectX library) retrieves &quot;raw&quot; mouse input values, unscaled by the OS.&nbsp; This bypasses the Windows mouse sensitivity and acceleration settings.&nbsp; When ZDoom uses this mouse type, it scales the mouse movement values along the x-axis by a factor of 4.0 and does not change the movement values along the y-axis.&nbsp; <br /><br />Users of this mouse type can easily convert their ZDoom mouse settings to Odamex&#039;s Doom mouse type using the following equations:<br />Doom mouse_sensitivity = (ZDoom mouse_sensitivity * 40) - 5<br />Doom m_pitch = (ZDoom m_pitch / 4)<br /><br />So using the default ZDoom mouse_sensitivity = 1.0, a user should choose mouse_sensitivity = 35 when using the Doom mouse type in Odamex.&nbsp; Using the default ZDoom m_pitch = 1.0, a user should choose m_pitch = 0.25 with the Doom mouse type in Odamex.&nbsp; Since ZDoom does not offer mouse acceleration, players wanting the same feel in Odamex should set mouse_acceleration to 0.<br /><br />ZDoom Win32 Mouse<br />The Win32 mouse type gets mouse values from the Windows OS like a normal desktop application.&nbsp; Windows first applies its sensitivity scaling to the user&#039;s mouse input and then applies its acceleration curve if the user has not disabled it in the Windows Control Panel.&nbsp; Finally, Windows passes the scaled mouse values to the game.<br /><br />Windows uses a non-linear table to determine how its Control Panel sensitivity setting will scale the mouse input.&nbsp; Players can scale their Zdoom mouse_sensitivity setting by the following table to match their Windows mouse sensitivity setting.<br /><br />Windows Sensitivity Factors (when acceleration is disabled)<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0.03125<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0.0625<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0.25<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; 0.5<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; 0.75<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; 1.0<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 7&nbsp; 1.5<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; 2.0<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp; 2.5<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 10 3.0<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 11 3.5<br /><br /><br />If a player has not disabled acceleration (sometimes also called Enhanced Pointer Precision) in the Windows Control Panel, they also are subjected to Windows mouse acceleration as well as an different set of sensitivity scaling factors, as seen below.<br /><br />Windows Sensitivity Factors (with acceleration enabled)<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 1&nbsp; 0.1<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 2&nbsp; 0.2<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 3&nbsp; 0.4<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 4&nbsp; 0.6<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 5&nbsp; 0.8<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 6&nbsp; 1.0<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 7&nbsp; 1.2<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 8&nbsp; 1.4<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 9&nbsp; 1.6<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 10 1.8<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; 11 2.0<br /><br /><br />Describing how the mouse pointer algorithm works is beyond the scope of this posting, however, my testing confirms that this reference (http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=157790#13) appears to give a very accurate description of the algorithm used in Windows XP and Vista/7.<br /><br />Finally, when ZDoom uses the Win32 mouse type, it scales the mouse movement values along the x-axis by a factor of 3.0 and scales movement along the y-axis by a factor of 2.0.<br /><br />The below equations will allow most players to easily convert their mouse to the Doom mouse type in Odamex.&nbsp; Note that the Windows Sensitivity Factor is given in the above table.<br /><br />Doom mouse_sensitivity = (30 * (ZDoom mouse_sensitivity) * (Windows Sensitivity Factor)) - 5<br />Doom m_pitch = 0.5 * (ZDoom m_pitch) * (Windows Sensitivity Factor)<br />mouse_acceleration = 0 or 2.6 (depending on whether it&#039;s enabled in Windows Control Panel)<br />mouse_threshold = 6<br /><br /><br />Given a player who uses the default mouse_sensitivity = 1.0 and m_pitch = 1.0 in their ZDoom-derived port and uses the default mouse settings in the Windows Control Panel of sensitivity = 6 and acceleration turned on, they should use the following settings:<br />mouse_type = 0 (Doom mouse type)<br />mouse_sensitivity = 25<br />m_pitch = 0.5<br />mouse_acceleration = 2.6<br />mouse_threshold = 6[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6865, 669, 23, 1337658305, 0, 6865, 'Re: Green Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.26.23', 1, 0, '', 'vs ThatsJustPrime<br /><br />Demos:<br />http://www.sendspace.com/file/kscuq6<br />http://www.sendspace.com/file/r9xm6t<br />http://www.sendspace.com/file/wrkax6<br /><br />Screenshots:<br />http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/441/odamexduel2012052200150.jpg/<br />http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/600/odamexduel2012052200261.jpg/<br />http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/688/odamexduel2012052200360.jpg/<br /><br />For somebody who doesn&#039;t really care about MAC or duels in general, you surely pack a punch Prime! Hope to see you in the playoffs. :) ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1225, 147, 11, 1260439313, 10, 1225, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Nostar, this issue stems back to September, before captains were voted in at all. This has nothing to do with Denny just becoming a crybaby, but rather a breakdown in communication. <br /><br />If you [url=http://wiki.intldoomleague.org/index.php?title=W2010_Draft&amp;action=history]look at the wiki revision history[/url], I adjusted the draft order on September 27th, almost a month in advance before anyone knew who would be taking over the Spread Eagles (as a matter of fact, we believed it would still be Nero at that point). With that said, the order that I still applied then was incorrect with DMR at 2nd. However, the first version of the page has FLS as the first pick, while the second revision notes that the &quot;forfeit rule not retroactive&quot;. <br /><br />This topic has been debated every day for the past week, we&#039;re still investigating the situation, and we&#039;ll likely come to a final resolution quite soon. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1214, 147, 11, 1260355555, 10, 1242, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1260516863, 'Ralphis', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1211#msg1211 date=1260342625]Personally I feel the franchise system has been bad for the IDL and leads to more unbalanced teams than other systems would...The league needs to remain interesting and balanced, the goal should be each team hitting .500 win percentage.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Since it&#039;s late and I don&#039;t have the effort in me to really dig into everyone&#039;s post, I&#039;d just like to touch on this quick point you made. <br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The Theory[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />If we look at evidence from all of the past seasons, and give leeway to teams to be within one win + a tie of a winning season (.500), we&#039;ll find that the new system has basically been on par with all IDL seasons before hand.<br /><br />The lower end of the pct spectrum here is 2-5-1 (.313) and the higher end at 5-2-1 (.688).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The Numbers[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />[center][b]Summer 2009[/b]<br />[color=green]SUC - 8-0-0 (1.000)<br />BSK - 6-2-0 (.750)[/color]<br />EBL - 5-3-0 (.625)<br />KGB - 4-4-0 (.500)<br />BBC - 4-4-0 (.500)<br />DMR - 3-5-0 (.375)<br />[color=red]SPE - 1-7-0 (.125)<br />FLS - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />Last season, you&#039;ll find that 4/8 teams fell into the this middle ground. 50% of the league had parity while there were two elite teams (25%) and two below average teams (25%). <br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Winter 2009[/b]<br />[color=green]SUC - 6-0-2 (.875)<br />DMR - 5-1-2 (.750)[/color]<br />BSK - 5-2-1 (.688)<br />FLS - 5-2-1 (.688)<br />BBC - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />[color=red]KGB - 1-5-2 (.250)<br />EBL - 1-6-1 (.188)<br />SPE - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />The first season to implement the franchise system. You&#039;ll find that 3/8 teams fell into the middle ground. 38% of the league had parity while there were two elite teams (25%) and three below average teams (38%).<br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Summer 2008[/b]<br />[color=green]WAD - 7-1-0 (.875)<br />RNB - 6-1-1 (.813)<br />CTB - 6-2-0 (.750)[/color]<br />DPT - 5-3-0 (.625)<br />TCM - 4-3-1 (.563)<br />MAD - 3-2-3 (.563)<br />FFF - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />CRK - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />CUP - 2-5-1 (.313)<br />[color=red]LON - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />HWB - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />BBS - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />The summer prior to, you&#039;ll find that 6/12 teams fell into the middle ground. 50% of the league had parity while there were three elite teams (25%) and three below average teams (25%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Winter 2008[/b]<br />[color=green]PAK - 8-0-0 (1.000)<br />TBA - 6-1-1 (.813)[/color]<br />SOB - 5-2-1 (.688)<br />TXT - 5-3-0 (.625)<br />FLS - 4-3-1 (.563)<br />EFL - 4-3-1 (.563)<br />DSP - 4-4-0 (.500)<br />VGR - 3-5-0 (.375)<br />[color=red]N2O - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />TNT - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />SOM - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />MXC - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />In the third season, you&#039;ll find that 6/12 teams fell into the middle ground. This was the beginning of the current eight game season. 50% of the league had parity while there were two elite teams (17%) and four below average teams (33%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Summer 2007[/b]<br />[color=green]DCL - 8-2-0 (.800)<br />TSF - 8-2-0 (.800)<br />BTK - 7-2-1 (.750)[/color]<br />PEN - 6-3-1 (.650)<br />BBM - 6-4-0 (.600)<br />CMS - 5-4-1 (.550)<br />SXP - 5-4-1 (.550)<br />KNF - 5-4-1 (.550)<br />TDS - 2-5-3 (.350)<br />[color=red]DNO - 2-7-1 (.250)<br />BSX - 1-8-1 (.150)<br />SNX - 0-10-0 (.000)[/color][/center]<br /><br />Three summers ago, you&#039;ll find that 6/12 teams fell into the middle ground. This was the longest regular season in league history, with ten regular season games. 50% of the league had parity while there were three elite teams (25%) and three below average teams (25%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Winter 2007[/b]<br />[color=green]TDC - 5-2-0 (.714)<br />T3A - 5-2-0 (.714)<br />BSK - 5-2-0 (.714)[/color]<br />SHQ - 4-2-1 (.643)<br />SXG - 4-3-0 (.571)<br />[color=red]STP - 2-5-0 (.286)<br />SPE - 1-5-1 (.214)<br />TTT - 1-6-0 (.143)[/color][/center]<br /><br />The first season. Only seven regular season games. It was pretty bad and everything basically changed the season immediately following, but just for shits and giggles, you&#039;ll find that 2/8 teams fell into the middle ground. 25% of the league had parity while there were three elite teams (38%) and three below average teams (38%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The Summation[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />Though there are some fluctuations, you&#039;ll find that generally the league tends to pan out as such:<br />[list]<br />[li][color=green]25% of the league generally tends to be at least 2 games over .500.[/color][/li]<br />[li]50% of the league generally tends to fall within a game and a half of a .500 record.[/li]<br />[li][color=red]25% of the league generally tends to be at least 2 games under .500.[/color][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />These statistics indicate that the statement that the current franchise system &quot;leads to more unbalanced teams than other systems would&quot; is, so far, unfounded. At least, this is the case when compared against the other two systems the IDL has utilized since its conception in 2006.<br /><br />Can the league do more to attempt to move towards every team having a .500 record? Presumably, and this is always our goal. However, realistically, there will always be teams which fall short and teams which are elite regardless of how you set up your player distribution system.<br /><br />These records don&#039;t take into account special situations such as captains or main roster members bailing on their teams, 3v2, forfeits, or other unusual events.<br /><br />However, one familiar with history can look at these records and conclude that most (read: not all) teams that fell into the lower echelon of teams in IDL&#039;s run had captains who either did not care or those which gave up after a string of losses early in the season.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The Reality[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />In my opinion, the IDL&#039;s best cure for balancing the league out is to be able to field the best captains possible who are willing to stick with their team, be creative, and do what it takes to create output on the field. History has shown that you don&#039;t need to be an elite player or to even have players which might be deemed the most elite on your team to be successful.<br /><br />The IDL needs strong leaders in its captains to create the most balanced league. The system in which players are drafted has shown to be secondary.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1257, 147, 11, 1260598210, 69, 1258, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 1260598911, 'Goatface', 'In regards to board transparency, we spoke about it briefly and generally we felt that we can make more effort to be public.&nbsp; If we&#039;re too scared to let people know how we vote then we don&#039;t really have conviction anyway.&nbsp; I warn you however that it&#039;s 40% discussion of things that we think will help and 60% us bullshitting about how great we are, cracking jokes and pretending to make league changing decisions(I am now League Ambassador to Idaho).&nbsp; We&#039;re not trying to be a conspiracy, we&#039;re not Illuminati, we&#039;re trying to help.&nbsp; We value input and if you feel we should be more public then I agree.<br /><br />Edit: I&#039;d really like to emphasize that we value input.&nbsp; Very few players take advantage of these forums or even IRC to have their ideas heard.&nbsp; Think a rule sucks? Know a great map we aren&#039;t playing? Thinking about starting a new board to usurp power? Let us know.&nbsp; Input makes our jobs easier.<br /><br />Edit #2: I also just realized none of them will see that.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1282, 144, 11, 1260866918, 130, 1282, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.190.86', 1, 1260867444, 'nostar', 'Goat I like yr system, and I want to add commentary to it. Here we go!<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]FLS(Ladna) - Whiteboy567[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />Prolly. Then again Ladna lieks mieks and is dumb.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]DMR(Doomguy) - Rottking[/b] <br />[/quote]<br />No way. EBL was a disaster. I see DG going for someone of higher profile, Oath or Collision or even MIEK!<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]KGB(Tai)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  - Collision[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; <br />[/quote]<br />You probably have this one on target if DG takes Oath. Tai needs a runner and he knows it. Oath or miek would work out well and Collision is a good alternative if those guys aren&#039;t still around.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]SPE - Mikehail[/b] <br />[/quote]<br />I expect miek to be gone by this time. If he&#039;s not, SPE would be foolish to pass on him. I see them getting MB tho.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]FLS - METALBLACK[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />I&#039;m just bumping yr predicitons it seems :) I wanna say Ladna will have the smarts to get a runner but who knows. Oath or miek would be ideal, a talented euro or another canadian perhaps.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]DMR - Oath[/b] <br />[/quote]<br />If DG gets a runner he needs a defender. I hope he takes a runner pre-draft and then gets Collision or Fasidious or...someone murderous like that.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]KGB - Killingblair[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />OMG I hope not. KB is a good 4th at best for a team with this high of a draft pick...love him as I do :)<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]EBL - Jenova[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />With Mid on his team Jenova would be a total compliment. I would call this team....Team SkullFagot or [TSF] for short. Sounds familar!<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]BSK - Fastidious[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />No way Fast lasts this long. I mean if he does I see Shak passing on him anyway, there is only one player equipped to deal with this duo and she&#039;s in England.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]BBC - Gyross[/b]<br />...<br />He&#039;s European, but hey, nobody&#039;s perfect.<br />[/quote]<br />This is truth. Gyross wouldn&#039;t play well on this team. Mantis needs a really talented generalist like Fast or MB. It worked last season!<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]SUC - Devastation[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />Rofl grooming. I barely talk to him, though I do think he has the talent to be a great ctf player. Ralph will make some backward ass decision on a new guy and we&#039;ll beat you all down with a scrub. ggs.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]SPE - Goatface[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />You want on SPE eh? Well good luck!<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]FLS - Nero[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />Ladna would never pick Nero. He basically thinks that Europe is only good for beer and cheese. I&#039;m thinking like....KB or Goat if they&#039;re still in the running.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]DMR - Dragan[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />THIS IS WHERE HE SHOULD PICK HIM I REALLY HOPE HE WAITS UNTIL NOW AND DOESNT WASTE HIS 1ST ROUND PICK!!<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]KGB - Beast[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />THIS IS WHERE HE SHOULD PICK HIM I REALLY HOPE HE WAITS UNTIL NOW AND DOESNT WASTE HIS 1ST ROUND PICK!!<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]EBL - Dewww[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />wooooo dewfus<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]BSK - Rosebird[/b] <br />[/quote]<br />She is long gone by now. They&#039;ll pick like....Fluffles or something. <br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]BBC - Acolyte[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />They&#039;d be smart to get someone active for when Stallion inevitably misses all their practices because he plays sports.<br /><br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611]<br />[b]SUC - Roscoe[/b]<br />[/quote]<br />I like Rudy. This is a good idea and should be listened to.<br /><br />Thx for the format Goat!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1047, 134, 10, 1251241791, 20, 1047, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.160', 1, 0, '', 'I think overall I was impressed with how the league went as a whole. Most games were done in the 3on3 format and every game was played with the exception of one I believe. Also having a very exciting Masterbowl doesn&#039;t hurt either&nbsp; ;)<br /><br />I will have to say that I agree with what Stallion said. I&#039;m still a fan of server variety even if it is only two servers. As for having arguments and such about servers, that stuff could easily be worked out.<br /><br />My idea is this... Like real sport schedules, you have a &quot;home&quot; team and an &quot;away&quot; team. If that particular team is playing at &quot;home&quot; for the week, they get server choice. It wouldn&#039;t be too difficult to balance it out where each team gets an equal amount of home and away games.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1048, 133, 10, 1251241886, 20, 1048, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.160', 1, 0, '', 'Hell of an All-Star post Doomguy... Hands down best All-Star selection post ever&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(1049, 133, 10, 1251297687, 86, 1049, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '198.86.116.254', 1, 0, '', 'Ha thanks for the kind words man, I barely remember what you said but sorry if I said anything to you offensive :P.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1050, 133, 10, 1251306659, 19, 1050, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2009 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', 'That&#039;s a battleship of a post, DG! We need more things like that. Major props to you for writing all that up tho, and thanks. 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1051, 134, 10, 1251306836, 19, 1051, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=134.msg1046#msg1046 date=1251238249]<br />Yeah, I did read it. Just because I disagree doesn&#039;t mean I didn&#039;t understand what you were saying.&nbsp; <br /><br />But here&#039;s what I got from it: <br /><br />In the wildcard: <br /><br /> Higher seed wins --&gt; The loser&#039;s map is used in the conference championship. So basically, neither of the top 2 teams&#039; maps are used.....instead, they&#039;d be using the map of the team that&#039;s out of the playoffs. What? <br /><br />Lower seed wins --&gt; That team can decide to use their map or the top seed in the conference&#039;s map.<br /><br />In other words, the top seed may possibly not be able to play on their homefield map. <br /><br />One word: Pointless. <br /><br />You reallyw ant the lower seed to have their map played that bad? Here&#039;s a suggestion.<br /><br />Make playoffs a best of 3: First round&#039;s the top seed&#039;s map, 2nd round&#039;s the lower seed map, and if the teams are tied after two rounds, last round&#039;s the top seed&#039;s map. If it goes to OT, the team with the most flags after three rounds gets their map played for the remainder of the match. If even then the flags are tied, then alternate maps again, starting with the top seed&#039;s map.<br /><br />Pick and prod with that suggestion has you please. I&#039;d much rather see that then the top 2 seeds&#039; maps not being played if those were the teams to make the conference championship.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Hmm, maybe the losing wildcard team&#039;s playoff field could be used in the tiebreaker, so all three maps get played! Now that would be hella crazy and pretty exciting. At the same time, it requires a lot of effort on the part of the server admins, said effort might be too much to organize. I suppose it could be solved with a maplist, though. Not a bad idea, though. :D', 'xx', 1);
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	(1052, 134, 10, 1251316295, 15, 1052, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.99.154', 1, 0, '', 'Also something I would like to see, is playoff games longer than normal season games.&nbsp; Mainly because some people may have one bad game, and in an important playoff/MB game, it may become crucial.&nbsp; You can practice before your game all you want, but I&#039;m sure some people still feel that they could of done better if there was an extra round or two.&nbsp; Also it would make playoff games more challenging for those who get fed up of playing after just a few rounds.&nbsp; I myself get fed up after a few rounds, but it would make playoff games more interesting, and fun to watch.&nbsp; Also they won&#039;t end so quick.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1226, 147, 11, 1260466023, 19, 1226, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.41', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=147.msg1208#msg1208 date=1260316280]<br />Mionic, I agree with Nostar. You come back after a while and try to start IDLDrama? Lol nub.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Shut the fuck up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8513, 843, 17, 1361586856, 2303, 8518, 'Re: Franchising.', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 1361602897, 'Capo', 'i think the league should hold best players from the world. keeping away septics like spider and soul is proiritize. i play anything i am best and i have truth', 'xx', 1);
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	(1135, 140, 11, 1256320210, 12, 1136, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'RottKing', 'rottking@sbcglobal.net', '99.136.249.86', 1, 1256326573, 'RottKing', 'Name: RottKing Von Slimedog The Third<br />Country: USA, Bumblefuck Connecticut<br />Email contact: rottking@sbcglobal.net<br />Instant Message Contact: rottking@sbcglobal.net (MSN)<br />Regular Availability: I am available ;]<br />CAPTAIN N', 'xx', 1);
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	(1392, 161, 11, 1263524625, 20, 1392, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', 'GG&#039;s EBL ... Just glad to see you guys didnt have the connection issues plaguing ya this week... Good luck the rest of the season&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(1444, 161, 11, 1264388550, 152, 1444, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Rosebird', 'rosebird@hotmail.com', '86.176.142.174', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20543681/IDL_Week_2_Rosenerd.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1053, 134, 10, 1251318304, 19, 1053, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=134.msg1052#msg1052 date=1251316295]<br />Also something I would like to see, is playoff games longer than normal season games.&nbsp; Mainly because some people may have one bad game, and in an important playoff/MB game, it may become crucial.&nbsp; You can practice before your game all you want, but I&#039;m sure some people still feel that they could of done better if there was an extra round or two.&nbsp; Also it would make playoff games more challenging for those who get fed up of playing after just a few rounds.&nbsp; I myself get fed up after a few rounds, but it would make playoff games more interesting, and fun to watch.&nbsp; Also they won&#039;t end so quick.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />3 out of 5?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1064, 134, 10, 1251580962, 75, 1064, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=134.msg1062#msg1062 date=1251565513]<br />You can blame me for some of that if you want as I dropped out but I&#039;m not going to support a team which makes horrible decisions against any common sense(SPE).<br />[/quote]<br />you, kist and nero got raped on week1: map26. we got a 3v2 victory on week2 that shouldn&#039;t count. now let me write out this in detail:<br /><br />week3: BSK 2-0 SPE on map03.<br /> round1: dew, jkist, nero: 1-1<br /> round2: fastidious, jkist, nero: 5-0<br /> round3: dew, jkist, nero: 5-2<br /><br />then me, mortal and nero tied one round against SUC on week4:map16 and had a rrrreally awesome and close game against EBL on week5:map14. i admit our team lost motivation after that point and got raped silly in the rest, but we actually did play better without kist. and you.<br /><br />you know, trading kist to SUC didn&#039;t make them any stronger. they would win with mortal anyways. but it did make SPE a bit stronger in a sense. it would be really silly not to see mortal&#039;s tactical value. at that moment, benching me and playing nero-mortal-fast would be quite dangerous to opponents. sadly, you didn&#039;t give that a chance. for you, the hatred of the old strong SUC was more important than supporting SPE.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1333, 158, 11, 1262892798, 10, 1333, 'Re: Week 1 Game Times', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Main site is active. Use that for information.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1069, 134, 10, 1251616639, 15, 1069, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.99.154', 1, 0, '', 'Thing is, with bringing new people you HAVE to expect them to disappear.&nbsp; I mean some of the more experienced players do as well.&nbsp; Which means you would have to have more players per team.&nbsp; Adding more players would also cause people to not show, because the less skilled ones wouldn&#039;t get to play as often, and simply lose interest.&nbsp; More players per team, would also force maybe 4v4?&nbsp; Downfall....Scheduling a 4v4 would be hectic. just getting a 3v3 seems to make our scheduling crew pull out their hair... There&#039;s more problems with adding new players to this than I can think of right now as i&#039;m fucking tired :D ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6603, 639, 21, 1333224471, 8, 6645, 'IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1333766355, 'HumanBones', 'IDL-R Invite List<br /><br />What follows is the invite list for the IDL-R. All following players who confirm themselves to be in the league will be available for drafting and entered into free agency. [b]Any player on this list must contact HumanBones or post in this thread to confirm or deny their invites. Any invites not responded to by Friday, April 6th (5pm EST) will be voided.[/b]<br /><br />Anyone new to the league itself can also use this thread to sign up. Don&#039;t be shy!<br /><br />Invites bolded are confirmed players. Invites with a strike out are those who denied their invite.<br /><br />[b]IDL-R Free Agency Invites[/b]<br /><br /><br />[b]Capodecima[/b]<br />[b]Dannyboy[/b]<br />[b]Dawsonation[/b]<br />[b]Godsdoomer[/b]<br />[b]MadV[/b]<br />[b]Majik[/b]<br />[b]Merk[/b]<br />[b]MionicDonut[/b]<br />[b]Reckless[/b]<br />[b]Roscoe[/b]<br />[b]Slyfox[/b]<br />[b]Spider[/b]<br />[b]Stipsi[/b]<br />[b]Watermelon[/b]<br />[b]Zoltar[/b]<br />[s]Arrogance<br />Asgar<br />Beast<br />BloodStrike<br />Catostrophe (BlueWizard)<br />Cecil<br />Delusion<br />Devisin<br />[s]Evolution[/s]<br />Fastidious<br />Glum<br />HeavenWraith<br />Higgs<br />Junior<br />Killforce<br />Klesk<br />[s]Marax[/s]<br />Mobius<br />Nati46<br />[s]Null[/s]<br />OurHero<br />Quiksilver<br />Shadow_Ghost<br />Swiftshot<br />Telo<br />TheKillerNacho<br />WhiteMike<br />Xyltol[/s]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6900, 668, 23, 1337995019, 157, 6981, 'Re: Red Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 1339511380, 'Legion_', 'legion vs strangl<br /><br />first pick: exposed<br />[url=http://i.imgur.com/o7GPw.png]screenshot[/url]<br />result: 50-38 legion<br /><br />second pick: boo<br />no screenshot<br />result: strangl forfeit<br /><br />[url=http://www.mediafire.com/?cv8aqhsbas8c7mc]demo of exposed [/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7056, 686, 22, 1340164607, 8, 7056, 'Re: S2012 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b]Berserker Packers[/b]<br />Traded Capodecima to Free Agency in exchange for GaX (Pre-Season)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1119, 138, 26, 1255218153, 7, 1119, 'Regular Season Trading Extended', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.137.200.103', 1, 0, '', 'The regular season trade deadline has been extended from Week 4 to Week 5.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7302, 715, 17, 1345333414, 214, 7302, 'Re: I''m banned', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.179.191', 1, 1345333527, 'Ru5tK1ng', 'The problem is that in all of my previous posts, I was not referring to his banning at all. I was referring to us (tai, dew, mike, xen etc) calling him a troll and how it was justified.<br /><br />Another problem is that I don&#039;t care about you guys&#039; bans and seemingly there are few who care.', 'xx', 1);
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	(994, 127, 26, 1249514409, 7, 1254, 'Player Replacement Time Window Added', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.44', 1, 1260591626, 'Ladna', 'The following language was added to the Roster section:<br /><br />[b]Player Dismissal/Withdrawal[/b]<br /><br />Should a player withdraw or be dismissed from the league, the captain of that player&#039;s team has 72 hours to replace the player from free agency, after which the IDL administration will choose instead. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1227, 144, 11, 1260466454, 19, 1228, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.41', 1, 1260468963, 'nostar', '^ Hasn&#039;t every team you&#039;ve been on been a loser team? Well, any team you&#039;ve actually done something with (This discounts TBA which carried you p much)<br /><br />[quote author=Roscoe link=topic=144.msg1213#msg1213 date=1260350845]<br /><br />Admiral o&gt;<br /><br />As to the Super Chargers... Ralph has an [i][u][b]AceOfSpades[/b][/u][/i] up his sleeve, perhaps?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Now that&#039;s interesting. Roscoe, I&#039;m glad you pointed this out, babe.<br /><br />Also Fast stop reading my brain waves, dude. It&#039;s bad publicity.<br /><br />[edit for accuracy!]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1297, 154, 11, 1261011936, 20, 1297, 'IDL Round Table + Draft Recording', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', 'Here is the recording from the round table + the draft... The only thing that is missing is the first 10 minutes from the round table as I had to switch to a different recording method... DOH!&nbsp; &gt;:(<br /><br />Anyhow here ya go!<br /><br />http://www.intldoomleague.org/uploads/IDL_Winter2010_Draft.mp3<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1068, 134, 10, 1251604732, 7, 1068, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.44', 1, 0, '', 'When we talk about trading and teams, it&#039;s important to consider what IDL is.&nbsp; I think a lot of disagreement is fundamental, as in, IDL is different things to different people -- which is totally cool!&nbsp; However, there are some things that IDL is not, and I&#039;d like to go over a couple of them:<br /><br />[size=4][b]IDL is not a tourney - clan or otherwise[/b][/size]<br /><br />A normal tourney would just let teams gather themselves &amp; enter as a group.&nbsp; IDL has a draft &amp; trading, which a tourney obviously wouldn&#039;t have.&nbsp; This is important, because it means it&#039;s really not a great &quot;measure&quot; of the best CTF players/teams.&nbsp; Sure you can use IDL to figure out who the dominant players are, and personally I believe that the team that wins the Masterbowl is the best &quot;team&quot;, but the members of that team aren&#039;t necessarily the best CTF players on ZD.&nbsp; I mean, just the different maps &amp; homefield rule give advantages one way or the other; it&#039;s simply not scientific at all.<br /><br />[size=4][b]IDL is not completely fair[/b][/size]<br /><br />There&#039;s a few things we could do to make IDL more fair.&nbsp; We could pick... 3 or 4 maps and do like ZDDL does but between teams.&nbsp; We could get rid of homefields and just designate specific playoff maps (or just use the same ones).&nbsp; We could rate players and create some kind of crazy salary cap/bidding system - or just have the board/commish pick teams.&nbsp; We discussed this stuff and decided it was boring as shit (or just a horribly bad idea), and probably not worth the trouble besides.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />I think the real solution to this is just more IDL players and more IDL teams.&nbsp; We&#039;re actively working on this:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]We&#039;ve been inviting promising players into pctf[/li]<br />[li]We&#039;re working on streaming IDL games[/li]<br />[li]We&#039;re working on neato stats and Xenaero made cool achievement medals[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />It does mean putting up with some noobish shit, like rookie faggots talking shit or just general bad play.&nbsp; Hopefully this doesn&#039;t last forever&nbsp; :D.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1118, 137, 11, 1254512430, 19, 1118, 'Re: Winter 2010 Time Table', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', ' :o', 'xx', 1);
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	(1284, 144, 11, 1260873211, 46, 1284, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '67.160.166.116', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Goatface link=topic=144.msg1276#msg1276 date=1260849611] ...though attendance could be an issue.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Heh, commenting about myself...<br /><br />Anyways, I&#039;m afraid you&#039;ve hit the nail right on the head, Goaty.&nbsp; What with school and work going on at the same time, I do find it hard to get online when the time is right!&nbsp; However, if I do get drafted I will do my utmost to insure that my Cap will know my schedule each week, and know it well in advance.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1120, 139, 11, 1255642789, 10, 1120, 'Accepting Captain Bids', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'We are currently accepting captain bids for the Winter 2010 season onward. The league has multiple vacancies that must be filled as soon as possible.<br /><br />Though anyone can put in a bid to be captain, there are a few things you should know before doing so:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Captains are expected to stay at least two seasons minimum to give them an effort to build their team.[/li]<br />[li]The more IDL experience you have, the more likely you are to be considered.[/li]<br />[li]The final captains selected by the IDL Board do not have a say in which team they inherit. It is a randomized process.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />Being a captain comes with a decent amount of responsibility as the IDL is only as good as its captains. To become a captain, you should be able to be on frequently to maintain contact with your team, other teams, and the league.<br /><br />To be a captain is to be a leader. If you believe you&#039;re ready to be a leader in the International Doom League, feel free to submit your bid!<br /><br />The league has already received a handful of bids, so it is best to notify the league of your intentions as soon as possible as to give the Board time to consider your bid.<br /><br />Bids can either be made public through this thread or you can contact myself or Ladna.', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1137, 140, 11, 1256330753, 131, 1137, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Gyrossman<br />Country: Czech Republic<br />Email contact: mistero@seznam.cz<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings and weekends<br />Captain: N', 'xx', 1);
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	(1228, 146, 11, 1260466608, 19, 1228, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.41', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=146.msg1219#msg1219 date=1260383329]<br />I would try this but the guides don&#039;t include Win 7 info.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Same here. An 8 year old guide doesn&#039;t really help me a lot on a new OS. Guess that&#039;s a SUCKY ASS downside!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1243, 147, 11, 1260546789, 27, 1243, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'CabooseA7X', 'CabooseA7X@hotmail.com', '216.157.205.99', 1, 0, '', 'So, Bored at school and i stumble upon these forums, I do like the debates we come up with but when I see my name mentioned I want to begin to clarify things :]<br /><br />Now, what the summer season I played under sabertooth as a franchise. Now I can openly admit we ALL 3 agreed to throw the game. But, can I state that rules were not set at this time? I know it&#039;s not important, but if I were to want to play in IDL this season and I wasn&#039;t able to because of this. I think it&#039;s pretty stupid. I can see what was done was wrong, but to only punish me for a GROUP decision, and the fact that (to my belief) there were games thrown? I&#039;m not exactly sure about games thrown before, but it does sound VERY likely to me. Since this was never elaborated on before I get punished? I didn&#039;t even know about my punishment before I came upon this thread. I&#039;m not on the Illeligable list for an extended (x) amount of time. Because of a simple misunderstanding that was NEVER elaborated about, will I be banned from the IDL in future seasons? Please elaborate more about this, even though this isn&#039;t on topic. I am very curious of this now that I know of this.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1259, 147, 11, 1260598996, 130, 1259, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.190.86', 1, 0, '', 'I am shocked...and HURT and....SHOCKED-HURT!<br /><br />Lowly nostar could not make a new player feel unwelcome if he tried. Unless your name is Mention. Then you are outta luck!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1325, 157, 11, 1262556684, 2, 1325, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.47.143', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]SPOT LIGHT GAME[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />I think this game is going to really matter for both of these teams, not only to prove their mettle from the start of the season, but also towards the end as playoffs are finalized!&nbsp; With that being said, I expect it to be a pretty great game as the two teams are pretty opposite, much like Ralphis remarked earlier.&nbsp; I am worried about BBC a little bit though, I have not seen them practice much at all, this is a game they will lose if they are not in top form!&nbsp; <br /><br />Coming into the start of the season, the Packers traded their #1 draft Fastidious for Rosebird, but having seen Beast occupy most of the practices I think he might be the starter for this week.&nbsp; This is a brutal map for pingers to play on so perhaps next week will be better for her.&nbsp; I am curious to see how this works out for BSK, I figure they will run a 2o 1d sorta setup with a drop back guy in case of flag slips while using vent.&nbsp; All 3 of these guys have great aim and can really rape spawns so running shouldn&#039;t be a huge issue unless Stallion is on d.<br /><br />This week ought to be real interesting for the Cowboys, trying to mesh together a new player, a cursed player, and an absent player.&nbsp; It could come together well though, Acolyte has been grinding away in practice working on improving, while Rottking insists he is not a washed up piece of crapo.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t seen these guys really play as a team so who knows what can happen here!<br /><br />[i]Map experience is crucial on this map and the Cowboys just won&#039;t manage to get it in in time for the big game.&nbsp; Unless BBC hammers out some practice in the next few days I predict a rout![/i]<br />[center][b]BBC 0-2 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />Doomguy666 and the Doom Raiders are the worst team ever !&nbsp; Killingblair is their only chance for them to get a win all season if he can superhero oda02 defense against EBL.&nbsp; He was the 4th however, maybe he won&#039;t even get to play!&nbsp; Doomguy666&#039;s brain is like a tangle of fishing line, nobody has any idea what is inside of it or how to make sense out of it.<br /><br />The Electric Bills are showing back up with a previously proven lineup of Xenaero and Collision with the super kid of mid, mid!&nbsp; If the Bills manage to get a little solid practice in I have few doubts they can manage to overcome Blairs stellar defense and start the Raiders season of losing off right.&nbsp; Legion has been playing very good defense here recently, maybe he will get some playing time?<br /><br />[i]Blair is the only chance the Raiders have at staying competitive on this map, without him really shutting down the Bills these guys are boned.&nbsp; I do think the Raiders will give us one hint of greatness in the second round, but ultimately fall short.[/i]<br />[center][b]EBL 2-1 DMR[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />I think this game is going to be the most exciting game of the week (unless FLS and SUC is really great) and not just because I am in it!&nbsp; GL SPE, also I hope you have a mild brain aneurysm during the game denny :)<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />This is my other game to watch of the week with one powerhouse team stacked with masterbowl winners, Ralphis, Nostar, Fastidious, and dewww (dew never won one ok but shutup).&nbsp; The other team is led by a fearless Ladna and co-championed by Whiteboy567, perhaps one of the best defenders in the league.&nbsp; Combined with Gyrossman and Sabertooth, these guys have what it takes to put the hurt on any team in this league with a great combination of versatility and power.<br /><br />I can honestly see this game going either way this week and practice tipping the scale in one teams favor.&nbsp; I am thinking the Steelers will play super defensive ala SUC and SUC will play super offensive (it is a small world after all).&nbsp; Whiteboy and Ladna will be a tough cookie to crack if they do go that route, and gyross will just cheat a flag eventually by ghost hacking his way into the base with sneaky czech corner camps.&nbsp; If Ralphis and Fastidious (or whoever is running) can really put down some killer support they might be able to smash a strong Whiteboy defense and get some flags to the middle where its really in their ballpark.&nbsp; Don&#039;t miss this one!<br /><br />[i]I gotta predict for FLS just to make ralphis mad so he plays harder and its a better game!&nbsp; I hope Ladna can forgive me for it.[/i]<br />[center][b]SUC 1-2 FLS[/b][/center]<br /><br />stealin formatz is wut i do', 'xx', 1);
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	(7587, 731, 22, 1348336528, 19, 7587, 'Re: Season 12 / Summer 2012 - MASTERBOWL XII - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'he loses pretty well', 'xx', 1);
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	(631, 76, 26, 1235351996, 7, 1254, 'Deadline for Uploading Demos Added', 'Ladna', 'doomedladna@yahoo.com', '173.19.226.0', 1, 1260591648, 'Ladna', 'The new language is:<br /><br />Each player that plays in a round, no matter the length of time, is required to submit a demo either by Wednesday of the following week, or before their team&#039;s next game, whichever comes first.<br /><br />This was just repairing an omission.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1071, 134, 10, 1251617250, 19, 1071, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', 'The problem is Doom is becoming Stagnant. The same old crew is staying around, with some dropping out over time, which is to be expected in any community, but we have no fresh blood coming in. ZDaemon is dying slowly but surely for this very reason, and the only trickle of new players is coming from Skulltag origins, looking for a higher plane of competition. Recruitment drives are going to be difficult.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1121, 139, 11, 1255644825, 19, 1121, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', 'I want FLS.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1138, 140, 11, 1256346997, 25, 1138, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Killemall', 'nlonz@yahoo.com', '76.30.107.137', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Killemall<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: nlonz@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: nlonz@hotmail.com (MSN)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings<br />Captain: N<br /><br />Let&#039;s go for 3 straight undrafted seasons 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1229, 147, 11, 1260469621, 130, 1229, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.190.86', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=147.msg1225#msg1225 date=1260439313]<br />If you [url=http://wiki.intldoomleague.org/index.php?title=W2010_Draft&amp;action=history]look at the wiki revision history[/url], I adjusted the draft order on September 27th, almost a month in advance before anyone knew who would be taking over the Spread Eagles <br />[/quote]<br /><br />That is the first evidence that I&#039;ve see so far, which is promising to say the least. Now why you changed the rule without re-voting is a whole different can of worms (referring back to the legislative role of the commissioner being more or less non-existent). I am curious why there wasn&#039;t a vote to change the language and I&#039;d like ANYONE on the board to produce logs to corroborate the original language voted on. It&#039;s fine if you guys wanna change this rule via re-vote, that is what the board is for. But I think that that must happen first and then there must be a decision as to whether it applies to this draft or all subsequent drafts (as the bias in involved here is far too great).<br /><br />And for the record I still think Denny was a [b]big[/b] fucking baby.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1167, 140, 11, 1258101941, 63, 1167, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'brainthunk', 'brainthunk@yahoo.com', '72.92.117.61', 1, 0, '', 'Name: brainthunk<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: Brainthunk@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: brainthunk@yahoo.com<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings and weekends<br />Captain: N', 'xx', 1);
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	(6605, 639, 21, 1333231200, 8, 6605, 'Re: IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Interested players may sign up using this template:<br /><br />[quote]<br />Name: Ralphis<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: ralphis@coolsite.com<br />Instant Message Contact: ralphissfr6 (AIM)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings except Wednesday and Friday (due to work)<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1326, 157, 11, 1262562223, 19, 1326, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', 'Too lazy to open up my template for this year so fuck ya&#039;ll.<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]SPOT LIGHT GAME[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />I really like the matchup this week for these two teams, because of the talent backing both BSK and BBC, while one is extremely frag heavy, which is great for defense and covering runners in oda02, the other has talented runners that can weasel their way through defenses, which is great for offense here.<br /><br />The Cowboys begin this season with a new hope, in the form of RottKing, who&#039;s been doing fairly well in priv. With their powerhouse roster, they should be relatively safe from the Packers&#039; relentless runs. What I&#039;m interested to see is who will be running flags? Surely they have enough SSG know-how to cover their runner sufficiently, but the pressure is placed squarely on the runner to brings flags back. From what I know, RottKing is a great defender even though he hates playing D, which can potentially free up Mantis to run and Stall to just ruin BSK&#039;s day.<br /><br />The Berserker Packers have lost Fastidious, which would have been a great D this game in my opinion. However instead they picked up Rose who even in the States is well known for her running ability. What I&#039;m interested in is who will be playing defense and will they be able to stand up to the Cowboys? I envision Chow and Rose running in tandem to disrupt the Cowboys enough to be wary of sending in all their forces into Shak&#039;s carefully guarded base.<br /><br />[i]I think that with the Packers&#039; running power colliding with the Cowboy&#039;s tendency to frag everything that breathes (does shak breathe? scarf is too tight) will present an interesting conundrum. Eventually, the Packers will get through the defensive line, causing the Cowboys to fall back. Inversely, the same may happen to the Packers&#039; line of defense, causing the Packers to hold the flag hostage for a tense standoff or falling back to return it without a flag in hand. This might go on for three solid games.[/i] <br />[center][b]BBC 0-0 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/030110/1262561859.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/030110/1262561866.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center][size=5]Open up your lovin&#039; arms, watch out here I come![/size][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />Good lord do the Spread Eagles have a bad record. But will they launch into the playoffs or ultimate fail just like good-on-paper SoM? Looking at SPE, I see the same thing happening. There&#039;s no clear runner! Goatface and Bones certainly have skills running flags but they aren&#039;t dedicated runners like Mikehail. I don&#039;t see Shadow_Ghost or METALBLACK running flags all too often that aren&#039;t dropped at the mid-way point or further. But no team with Bones should be underestimated. I can&#039;t make a prediction on how this team could play in their opening week because there&#039;s so many ways they can play. That&#039;s their biggest strength and weakness. If they don&#039;t settle on a solid plan, their own flexibility could bring them down.<br /><br />As much as I hate to admit it, the Killing Browns aren&#039;t doing so bad in pre-season practice runs. Could it be the map? The lineup? The plan? Tai??? Who knows! What can&#039;t be argued is as it stands now, they&#039;re a tough contender in their conference and have the potential to win the entire league this season. Why? Mikehail. The guy destroyed every flag record last season and could do so again, this time taking it all the way to the Masterbowl. But let&#039;s not get ahead of ourselves! Tai needs to stick to one position and they have a clear shot at winning this game. That position is defense. Oath and Mikehail are clearly built for running this claustrophobic, corner-cutting-required map. Problem is, will the flag be there by the time they come back?<br /><br />[i]Tai&#039;s superman tendency will benefit KGB in the short term but ultimately ruin his team&#039;s chances and cause immense infighting the likes of which we have never seen before. I expect many lines of &lt;mikehail&gt; in #idl post-game.[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 2-1 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />So we have a new Ralphis team, fresh from a horribly, incapacitating, debilitating, and other adjectives here to indicating a terrible season. But the point is now he&#039;s back with his mortal enemy Nostar to supposedly, in his words &quot;beat all your asses&quot;. I guess we&#039;ll see if he comes out on top this week. I see one problem with this. Where the hell is the support? Nostar isn&#039;t good support, and Fast has got to stay on D to fend off the powerful Steelers offense in the form of gyrossman. Now the tricky part is how Ralphis and by proxy Nostar will bring flags back. That part is pretty closely guarded, even though it seems like they aren&#039;t working great together in practice. Here&#039;s hoping they pull it together in time for the match.<br /><br />And now we have the Flag Steelers (whose roster I just looked up painfully thanks to THERE BEING NO FRONT PAGE LISTING OF TEAMS LADNA) which comprise of Suckass Slacker, White Whipper, Grapevine Gyross (ha ha get it hes drunk with wine which comes from grapes on a vine rofl), and Super Saber. I see Gyross running a lot in this game, supported by Ladna or Sabertooth. Having White on defense here is a MUST. He&#039;s a great defender and I&#039;m pretty sure he&#039;d just irritate Ralphis to the point to where he gets really reckless and misses lava jumps, which is critical when he&#039;s running the flag back to his base. Gyross is kind of an android and can somehow frag by treating 500 ping like its actually 5. Ladna will stand around slacking. Saber will probably kick Ladna off the team and help Gyross or White, essentially playing a floating position and assisting whoever needs it at that point.<br /><br />[i]Ralph&#039;s lava pit diving will ruin SUC&#039;s offensive pushes, forcing nostar to crash TT deliberately for a game reset, only to lose all focus the team has and lose at the hands of LADNA[size=1][s]FINISHACHIEVEMENTS[/s][/size].[/i]<br />[center][b]SUC 1-2 FLS[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1168, 141, 11, 1258313719, 10, 1331, 'ALERT: OFFICIAL W2010 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1262858644, 'Ladna', '[b]Week 1 - MAP02 ODA02 ( JAN 5 THRU JAN 11 )[/b]<br />Doom Raiders v Electric Bills (CONF)<br />Brokeback Cowboys v Berserker Packers (CONF) &lt;SPOT LIGHT&gt;<br />Spread Eagles v Killing Browns(INT)<br />Flag Steelers v Super Chargers (INT)<br />[b]<br />Week 2 - MAP03 ZDCTF03 ( JAN 12 THRU JAN 18 )[/b]<br />Spread Eagles v Berserker Packers (DIV) &lt;SPOT LIGHT&gt;<br />Doom Raiders v Super Chargers (DIV)<br />Flag Steelers v Killing Browns(INT)<br />Brokeback Cowboys v Electric Bills (INT)<br /><br />[b]Week 3 - MAP14 THIRTY4-09 ( JAN 19 THRU JAN 25 )[/b]<br />Brokeback Cowboys v Flag Steelers (DIV)<br />Killing Browns v Electric Bills (DIV) &lt;SPOT LIGHT&gt;<br />Berserker Packers v Doom Raiders (INT)<br />Spread Eagles v Super Chargers (INT)<br /><br />[b]Week 4 - MAP17 THIRTY4-17 ( JAN 26 THRU FEB 1 )[/b]<br />Spread Eagles, Doom Raiders (BYE)<br />Berserker Packers v Killing Browns(INT)<br />Brokeback Cowboys v Super Chargers (INT) &lt;SPOT LIGHT&gt;<br />Flag Steelers v Electric Bills (INT)<br /><br />[b]Week 5 - MAP23 ZDU08 ( FEB 2 THRU FEB 8 )[/b]<br />Berserker Packers, Super Chargers (BYE)<br />Brokeback Cowboys v Killing Browns(INT)<br />Spread Eagles v Electric Bills (INT)<br />Flag Steelers v Doom Raiders (INT) &lt;SPOT LIGHT FLEX&gt;<br /><br />[b]Week 6 - MAP26 ZDCTF26 ( FEB 9 THRU FEB 15 )[/b]<br />Flag Steelers, Electric Bills (BYE)<br />Spread Eagles v Brokeback Cowboys (CONF)<br />Doom Raiders v Killing Browns (CONF) &lt;SPOT LIGHT FLEX&gt;<br />Berserker Packers v Super Chargers (INT)<br /><br />[b]Week 7 - MAP28 ZDECTF2-07 ( FEB 16 THRU FEB 22 )[/b]<br />Brokeback Cowboys, Killing Browns(BYE)<br />Berserker Packers v Flag Steelers (CONF)<br />Super Chargers v Electric Bills (CONF) &lt;SPOT LIGHT FLEX&gt;<br />Spread Eagles v Doom Raiders (INT)<br /><br />[b]Week 8 - MAP16 ZDCTF16 ( FEB 23 THRU MAR 1 )[/b]<br />Spread Eagles v Berserker Packers (DIV)<br />Brokeback Cowboys v Flag Steelers (DIV) &lt;SPOT LIGHT FLEX&gt;<br />Doom Raiders v Super Chargers (DIV)<br />Killing Browns v Electric Bills (DIV)<br />[b]<br />Week 9 - MAP31 THIRTY4-31 ( MAR 2 THRU MAR 8 )[/b]<br />Super Chargers v Killing Browns(CONF)<br />Spread Eagles v Flag Steelers (CONF) &lt;SPOT LIGHT FLEX&gt;<br />Berserker Packers v Electric Bills (INT)<br />Brokeback Cowboys v Doom Raiders (INT)<br /><br />[b]Wildcard Playoffs - ( MAR 9 THRU MAR 15 )[/b]<br /><br />[b]Conf. Championships - ( MAR 16 THRU MAR 22 )[/b]<br /><br />[b]MasterBowl VII - MAP30 ZDU30 ( MAR 16 THRU MAR 22 )[/b]', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1393, 161, 11, 1263539833, 130, 1393, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'I wanna say that Dragan needs to maybe reconsider the 10-0 Masterbowl slogan he&#039;s been mentioning as of late.<br /><br />GGs DMR', 'xx', 1);
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	(6901, 670, 23, 1338020745, 2283, 6901, 'Re: Gray Division Results &amp; Demos', 'DevilutioN', 'balorr@hotmail.com', '101.160.21.5', 1, 0, '', 'Vs Vain<br /><br />Demos:<br />http://www.speedyshare.com/6wuvN/DevilutioNVsVain.zip<br /><br />Screens:<br />http://s17.postimage.org/aunozl3fh/Odamex_DUEL_20120526_175909.png<br />http://s13.postimage.org/tjfdxlpyt/Odamex_DUEL_20120526_181031.png', 'xx', 1);
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	(1074, 134, 10, 1251634706, 26, 1074, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '91.111.113.61', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=134.msg1072#msg1072 date=1251617891] The reason we did so bad when I played is because my connection had massive packet loss.&nbsp; I was jumping around walls and shit.&nbsp; Sometimes I&#039;d fire 5 rockets and none would come out but my ammo would be gone. [/quote]<br /><br />Wrong. You had a 3 second skip or so every 30 seconds+, that game was over in no more than 4 minutes. And would have been regardless of your pl.<br /><br />[quote]He could have taken other players, he could have traded for Gax which would have resulted in a stronger SPE team.[/quote]<br /><br />Eh, wrong again much? Mortal &gt; Most of the US players.<br /><br />[quote]Mortal had little tactical value to SPE, SPE needed offense, at the very least he should have traded for gyrossman which would have made SPE a better balanced team.[/quote]<br /><br />Would you look at that, wrong again. Are you fucking insane? What the hell do you know about European players? Nothing. You didn&#039;t even play alongside us so your opinion is based on total bullshit. Like dew said, we gave suc some good games and we should&#039;ve beaten EBL the following week, I don&#039;t even remember the games after that because I&#039;ve had some issues.<br /><br />[quote][quote]First of all who doesn&#039;t win with White and Chain on their team.[/quote]<br /><br />What does that have to do with anything?&nbsp; Obviously it wasn&#039;t the best team that year.[/quote]<br /><br />No shit it wasn&#039;t.<br /><br />[quote]No American player should have to be on a team with 3 EU players in a league based over here.&nbsp; It&#039;s unfair, and pure hell on practicing and scheduling.&nbsp; Fuck that.&nbsp; There should be a 1 EU player limit per team.[/quote]<br /><br />Do you even know what the IDL stands for?<br /><br />Let me remind you. It stands for &#039;International Doom League&#039; the little word there &#039;International&#039;, kinda puts your ignorant point aside.<br /><br />[quote]This is a competitive league for fun, no one is getting paid to play.[/quote]<br /><br />Let&#039;s leave it at that.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1072, 134, 10, 1251617891, 0, 1073, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Fastidious', '', '99.144.178.140', 1, 1251618484, 'Fastidious', '[quote author=dew link=topic=134.msg1064#msg1064 date=1251580962]you, kist and nero got raped on week1: map26. we got a 3v2 victory on week2 that shouldn&#039;t count. now let me write out this in detail:<br /><br />week3: BSK 2-0 SPE on map03.<br /> round1: dew, jkist, nero: 1-1<br /> round2: fastidious, jkist, nero: 5-0<br /> round3: dew, jkist, nero: 5-2[/quote]<br /><br />Dewww obviously you have no memory of the events.&nbsp; The reason we did so bad when I played is because my connection had massive packet loss.&nbsp; I was jumping around walls and shit.&nbsp; Sometimes I&#039;d fire 5 rockets and none would come out but my ammo would be gone.&nbsp; Anyhow I&#039;m sure that had nothing to do with it.&nbsp; Like you just said 3v2 shouldn&#039;t really count.<br /><br />If you recall every single SPE vs SPE 2v2 practice we played, the team I was on always won.&nbsp;  8)<br /><br />[quote]i admit our team lost motivation after that point and got raped silly in the rest, but we actually did play better without kist. and you.[/quote]<br /><br />Hardly, that trade cemented SUC into another championship and doomed SPE to failure.<br /><br />[quote]you know, trading kist to SUC didn&#039;t make them any stronger. they would win with mortal anyways. but it did make SPE a bit stronger in a sense. it would be really silly not to see mortal&#039;s tactical value. at that moment, benching me and playing nero-mortal-fast would be quite dangerous to opponents. sadly, you didn&#039;t give that a chance. for you, the hatred of the old strong SUC was more important than supporting SPE.[/quote]<br /><br />Nero knew at the beginning of the season that if he took JKist I fully expected him to keep him.&nbsp; He could have taken other players, he could have traded for Gax which would have resulted in a stronger SPE team.&nbsp; He traded JKist anyways.&nbsp; Mortal had little tactical value to SPE, SPE needed offense, at the very least he should have traded for gyrossman which would have made SPE a better balanced team.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=134.msg1067#msg1067 date=1251601013]If you think that trading JKist was what SPE did wrong you&#039;re just being naive.[/quote]<br /><br />Look at the season results, wow.<br /><br />[quote]First of all who doesn&#039;t win with White and Chain on their team.[/quote]<br /><br />What does that have to do with anything?&nbsp; Obviously it wasn&#039;t the best team that year.<br /><br />[quote]Franchising that guy is just a fucking mistake. Second, aside from picking a bad player as a franchise they also choose JKist instead of Collision or METALBLACK. Those are way more reasonable picks for a CTF league than JKist for anyone but SUC.[/quote]<br /><br />I want to comment on this as well, JKist never gave SPE what he gave SUC.&nbsp; If you look at the demos it is obvious.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think he does it on purpose but he cares a lot more about an all NS team.<br /><br />[quote]I&#039;m not knocking Nero, I think he was trying things out and will make a serious impact next season. He learned his lesson about some players and we all have those experiences. But to say you&#039;re quitting because you&#039;re unhappy with your team is silly. I was on VGR when saber quit and we got Naut and I showed to every game and when I was traded to the worst team in the league record-wise continued to play. Stop being a pissant and play some doom or go away.[/quote]<br /><br />I was perfectly happy to play all season with the SPE roster as it was.&nbsp; I played matches on TNMT with ExWizard, Lockwolf and Beast.&nbsp; No American player should have to be on a team with 3 EU players in a league based over here.&nbsp; It&#039;s unfair, and pure hell on practicing and scheduling.&nbsp; Fuck that.&nbsp; There should be a 1 EU player limit per team.<br /><br />[quote]Dewww is 100% right. Trading Kist was the right call for SPE, and mortal played as well or better for them as he is a veteran defender and could practice with the euro team probably more so that Kist would have or even could have.. If anything franchising Fastidious was the mistake. I made a similar mistake in Season 4 drafting Caboose knowing he has a really shitty attitude and isn&#039;t reliable at all. I made a captaining decision to&nbsp; trade Kandy for Potent and as a result of that Caboose quit on me because he disagreed with my decision. And while I made due for the rest of the season it really hurt my team. Players like Fastidious and Caboose who extort their captains (intentionally or unintentionally) hurt the league way more than perceived bad trades. They displace the skill level of teams (losing a 1st or 2nd pick to politics) and make trading way more of a taboo thing for captains to take advantage of.[/quote]<br /><br />LOL!&nbsp; Even if you add in all my SPE missed matches, I still have probably a better attendance record than 95% of the IDL.&nbsp; You act as if captains are dictators over players, they are not.&nbsp; To think so is naive and stupid and bad for the league.&nbsp; I intentially sat out matches for RNB to let Gax play.&nbsp; I let White run despite perferring to do so myself.&nbsp; A captain has to put his team first, if you know your players are unhappy with a possible decision then you don&#039;t have to make it.&nbsp; There is usually another option.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s good players occasionally punish captains who take them for granted.&nbsp; This is a competitive league for fun, no one is getting paid to play.<br /><br />[quote]I&#039;m not totally sure about the recruitment drive issue either. I mean if we keep the league at 8 teams (which I do see happening) I&#039;m seeing enough activity in priv that I don&#039;t foresee a drought in players. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I wouldn&#039;t mind some new players putting their names in the ring (aside from Mistopher) but as it stands there are 8 active players from EVO, 6 from UD, 3-4 from NS, a few DXers laying about still and miek too. Count in the stable R sign ups and you&#039;ve got 24 at least. I agree it would be nice to see a recruitment drive but really add euros and I don&#039;t see a major issue. I play public from time to time and there isn&#039;t like some untapped resource or anything. It&#039;s trash like always and most active good players figure it out and join IDL anyway. We post in the forums and some of us hang out in zdirc.[/quote]<br /><br />24?&nbsp; That&#039;d be horrible, probably the death of the league.&nbsp; For instance 41 signed up this season.&nbsp; Frankly in the past few seasons private activity has been extremely slow compared to past seasons.&nbsp; Season 2 or 3 was probably the high.&nbsp; I remember playing hours of private a day some weeks.<br /><br />[quote]The problem with this season is that Ralphis dropped out. Fuck that guy he&#039;s gay. BAM. Everything else was good.[/quote]<br /><br />Bah, Ralphis has done more for the league than anyone.&nbsp; He always thinks I hate him for some reason, but I&#039;m just abrasive on certain things.&nbsp; We &lt;3 you Ralphis.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7303, 715, 17, 1345334249, 1328, 7303, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.220.200', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ru5tK1ng link=topic=715.msg7302#msg7302 date=1345333414]<br />The problem is that in all of my previous posts, I was not referring to his banning at all. I was referring to us (tai, dew, mike, xen etc) calling him a troll and how it was justified.[/quote]<br /><br />All those people you posted as examples are notorious boarderline personality disorder patience.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1075, 134, 10, 1251635441, 75, 1075, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=134.msg1072#msg1072 date=1251617891]<br />A HUGE WALL OF TEXT! i mean, woah! look at all those words!<br />[/quote]<br />i have been flailed into obedience by this storm of letters. i yield unconditionally.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1076, 134, 10, 1251654534, 15, 1076, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.99.154', 1, 0, '', 'I think what fast is trying to say is, how or why should he play for someone when the trade was done without his approval.&nbsp; Sure it&#039;s not the players on your teams decision, but you want to make sure there is no problem with the trade or else, well, this happens!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1077, 134, 10, 1251659041, 130, 1077, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.44', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=134.msg1072#msg1072 date=1251617891]<br />If you recall every single SPE vs SPE 2v2 practice we played, the team I was on always won.&nbsp;  8)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You are a 2v2 god I guess. Up there with the likes of Ninjadog and Caboose. But at this point I can&#039;t see how that has bearing here. And if your point was to imply you were the best person on yr team, I would say that is highly debatable.<br /><br />[quote]<br />Hardly, that trade cemented SUC into another championship and doomed SPE to failure.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Idk really, I mean Suc was undefeated before week4 and continued to be after and we played without pot one week and without me for a week and really didn&#039;t practice that much until I quit my job late in August. I don&#039;t really see this season going a different way whether or not the mortal/kist trade happened. I mean the only team that could have beaten us ran into some scheduling problems and SPE had no chance with you/kist or without you both. As I said, many things previous to that trade with SUC made SPE a weaker team.<br /><br />In addition to all that I think players who don&#039;t captain relinquish their rights to make captaining decisions. Just like people who don&#039;t have medical licenses shouldn&#039;t practice medicine. They didn&#039;t sign up for it and aren&#039;t board approved as captains.<br /><br />[quote]Look at the season results, wow.[/quote]<br /><br />As I said, I can&#039;t really see anything different happening with or without that trade. Kist is a great player, but so is Mortal and so is Gyrossman. We had a good team anyway, as evidenced by our season starting win streak.<br /><br />[quote] What does that have to do with anything?&nbsp; Obviously it wasn&#039;t the best team that year.[/quote]<br /><br />No actually I maintain that was the best team in IDL history. And I&#039;m not kissing ass or anything, but that start, including Shakal as a backup (whether he was willing to play or not) is probably the most talent a single IDL team has ever seen. Even with White being kind of inactive it&#039;s surprising to me that DMR didn&#039;t win that season.<br /><br />[quote]JKist never gave SPE what he gave SUC[/quote]<br /><br />Okay I don&#039;t know what you think Kist gave SUC that he didn&#039;t give SPE. Do you think he gave us massages before the game or bought steroids for us? I watched the first few weeks of SPE games and Kist was a good and effective player on that team. Probably as much as he was on SUC with how little we practiced. Now I think you guys needed more defense, which in general is not what I have Kist playing. As biased as I might be, I didn&#039;t see Kist playing any better or worse on SUC than on SPE. Anyone who knows him knows that he is ridiculously competitive. And in a league setting I can&#039;t see him giving less than his full ability. The fact that you guys didn&#039;t really succeed I wouldn&#039;t put on him. He just has a much bigger say in what happens in SUC imo.<br /><br />I want to comment on this as well, .&nbsp; If you look at the demos it is obvious.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think he does it on purpose but he cares a lot more about an all NS team.<br /><br />[quote]No American player should have to be on a team with 3 EU players in a league based over here.&nbsp; It&#039;s unfair, and pure hell on practicing and scheduling.&nbsp; Fuck that.&nbsp; There should be a 1 EU player limit per team.[/quote]<br /><br />Potent played the first half of his season with euros, successfully.<br /><br />[quote]You act as if captains are dictators over players, they are not.&nbsp; To think so is naive and stupid and bad for the league.&nbsp; I intentially sat out matches for RNB to let Gax play.&nbsp; I let White run despite perferring to do so myself.&nbsp; A captain has to put his team first, if you know your players are unhappy with a possible decision then you don&#039;t have to make it.&nbsp; There is usually another option.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s good players occasionally punish captains who take them for granted.&nbsp; This is a competitive league for fun, no one is getting paid to play.[/quote] <br /><br />You were a good captain for the players you had on RNB. However you suck as a player because you&#039;re an arrogant prick. That is another reason I think Nero made a mistake in franchising you and another reason I don&#039;t mind never seeing you in priv or in IDL for that matter.<br /><br />[quote]24?&nbsp; That&#039;d be horrible, probably the death of the league.&nbsp; For instance 41 signed up this season.&nbsp; Frankly in the past few seasons private activity has been extremely slow compared to past seasons.&nbsp; Season 2 or 3 was probably the high.&nbsp; I remember playing hours of private a day some weeks.[/quote]<br /><br />After saying I don&#039;t mind never seeing you in the league, you should totally sign up. I mean if you&#039;re thinking the league is losing players, the first thing you can do is continue to support it with your ideas (check!) and play (not so check!) I will say I would give way more of a shit about what you&#039;re saying regarding SPE&#039;s season if you had played more than 3 games for them. As I see it they could have made the playoffs and been competitive with some creative captaining. You are the sole reason I would call SPE&#039;s season a dud.<br /><br />[quote]Bah, Ralphis has done more for the league than anyone.[/quote]<br /><br />Ladna is up there too I think. I&#039;ve actively watched him put a ridiculous amount of effort and thought into making the league better. Also Ralphis I know what happened, I just like to blame you for things.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1078, 134, 10, 1251660772, 7, 1078, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.44', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious]<br />You can honestly say SUC is a stellar team but they&#039;ve had outside help to secure their team each year.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I fundamentally disagree with this statement in 2 ways.<br /><br />[b][size=4]SUC is a stellar team[/size][/b]<br /><br />SUC is a great team but they got lucky an awful lot, and their dedication is probably the highest I&#039;ve ever seen out of an IDL team.&nbsp; Less so this season than last, but nonetheless.&nbsp; Skill or talent-wise there were comparable or better teams both seasons.&nbsp; Part of the &quot;magic&quot; of IDL is that it worked out for SUC, and their story so far is a pretty great one.<br /><br />[b][size=4]They had outside help to secure that team each season[/size][/b]<br /><br />If by &quot;outside help&quot; you mean &quot;perfectly legitimate trades&quot; then yeah.&nbsp; But I don&#039;t see what the IDL administration should&#039;ve done about it.&nbsp; It seems like your points are:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]SPE needed JKist to succeed[/li]<br />[li]SUC was &quot;too good&quot; and shouldn&#039;t have become better at the cost of another IDL team[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />The problem with making these assertions is that they&#039;re based on quantifications of player skill.&nbsp; As soon as the administration starts getting into stuff like:<br /><br />&quot;Well DMR really needs offense so they shouldn&#039;t trade MionicDonut&quot;<br /><br />&quot;Well JKist is really integral to SPE and trading him to SUC makes this season moot so they shouldn&#039;t trade him&quot;<br /><br />we&#039;re going way too far.&nbsp; And I can appreciate the standard of &quot;this trade shocks the league and ruins a season&quot;, but I personally don&#039;t think any possible trade of any player or players would do that; when I think of that standard I think of throwing games, agreeing to play with a weak roster, namefaking, etc.&nbsp; That stuff shocks me, but JKist playing for SUC just makes me want to destroy that team and laugh at their silly schemes.<br /><br />I mean, can you imagine what would happen if we got into that kind of thing?&nbsp; Players would completely revolt; we&#039;d basically be in the position of telling teams that they have to suck it up, or that their captain is making a retarded decision, and if anything at all went wrong as a result of our decision there&#039;d be no end to the flames.&nbsp; We simply can&#039;t predict everything that&#039;s gonna happen and we refuse to put ourselves in that position.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion]<br />I think what fast is trying to say is, how or why should he play for someone when the trade was done without his approval.&nbsp; Sure it&#039;s not the players on your teams decision, but you want to make sure there is no problem with the trade or else, well, this happens!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Fast and I talked a little about this, which boiled down to, &quot;what should I do if my captain destroys my team&#039;s chances and there&#039;s still 6 games left?&quot;&nbsp; Having been on 2 IDL teams that were horrible (no offense guys&nbsp; :P ) I can say that the worst IDL experience is playing game after game with no prospect of winning whatsoever.&nbsp; So I can certainly sympathize with players in this position, whether or not is as a result of a captain&#039;s bad decision(s).<br /><br />That said, there&#039;s nothing the administration can do about it beyond what we already do:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Players who want to be in control of a team are invited to volunteer as captains (there&#039;s usually a couple of spots each season)[/li]<br />[li]Players can lobby captains they trust to franchise them[/li]<br />[li]Captains that continually make bad decisions that cause them to miss playoffs twice in a row will be dismissed[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[b][size=4]IDL &amp; More Players[/size][/b]<br /><br />IDL doesn&#039;t need new players immediately, but we do need to start pulling in new players at some point, because the current players aren&#039;t going to be around forever.&nbsp; Think about the last 3 seasons and how many new players have joined.&nbsp; That&#039;s a year and a half with... 4 new players off the top of my head.&nbsp; Even worse, we have a problem retaining them - Rhombus isn&#039;t around, MadV isn&#039;t around, Oscar isn&#039;t around, etc. etc.&nbsp; Plus, why wouldn&#039;t we want more players?&nbsp; On one hand I can understand people saying, &quot;Ugh, I don&#039;t want to deal with rookies&quot;, but that&#039;s a little selfish.&nbsp; New players means more talent and different dynamics, and even though some might quit or cheat or other heinous things, we have those problems anyway :D .<br /><br />[b][size=4]Dumb Posts[/size][/b]<br /><br />I want to talk a little about dumb posts too.&nbsp; I worry when I see things getting too serious, like people getting short with each other, throwing insults, or going out of their way to make someone else feel like shit.&nbsp; This applies to in-game and IRC too, there are way too many instances of people being shitty and mean for no other reason than that they can.&nbsp; I hear a lot about players &quot;hating&quot; each other - how can you hate some guy on the Internet?&nbsp; Why would you spend tons of time trolling someone and trying to make their ZD/IDL experience a piece of shit?&nbsp; I don&#039;t want to get all Care Bear or ZD Administration here, but this kind of stuff hurts everyone because it attacks veteran players and rookie players alike.&nbsp; When honest discussion is polluted by rampant trolling, or when rookies are harassed/kicked/banned for silly reasons, the entire league suffers because we lose input, we lose new players, and the new players we do keep get the idea that that&#039;s how you&#039;re supposed to act.&nbsp; It&#039;s all-around super gay, and I hope I see less of it.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1101, 135, 1, 1253211245, 19, 1101, 'Re: Lag and associated things', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', 'This was a pretty good read, opening some doors on things that mystified me despite my pre-existing knowledge of how netcode in games function. Good find.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1122, 139, 11, 1255650572, 16, 1122, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'I suppose my bid doesn&#039;t have to be made if it was already said privately, right?<br /><br />Well, whatever.&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(2215, 246, 1, 1281579684, 30, 2215, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '70.92.140.141', 1, 0, '', 'so they deleted the thread ....for what? and I think I might give up soon...why because the thread is missing...<br /><br /><br />funny how two of the mods show up at the beginning of the new thread making jokes', 'xx', 1);
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	(1327, 110, 1, 1262566986, 7, 1327, 'Re: Attn: Mr. Hail', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.31.14.243', 1, 0, '', 'Rofl (test)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1230, 147, 11, 1260472089, 22, 1231, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 1260476545, 'Shadow_Ghost', 'I may be a big baby but tell me how i started this. I was just sitting around doing my daily business (while under the impression that I had first pick because I was never told otherwise) and the topic was brought up somehow, I dont clearly remember how so I&#039;m not gonna sling names. So there was a little debate/argument maybe over what happened and I was as involved as anyone else that was there, maybe even a little less but probably not. I&#039;d like to know how me not starting this makes me a big baby, to me it seems like most of the whining isn&#039;t coming from me =)<br /><br />P.S. I&#039;d appreciate it if you dont edit my posts, jerks', 'xx', 1);
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	(1084, 134, 10, 1251792997, 19, 1084, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Shadow_Ghost link=topic=134.msg1082#msg1082 date=1251761449]P.S. SUC vs BBC was probably the best match I&#039;ve ever watched, or one of them at least, and I (and I&#039;m sure many others) would have LOVED to see that go 1, or possibly 2 more rounds. <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -With Love, Denny.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />There&#039;s been a ton of IDL games that were like that in scope. Just epic and it woulda been cool to see them prolonged a little bit.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9390, 951, 31, 1380592888, 2275, 9390, 'Re: CONGRATS ON KGBS WIN', 'Perrondon', 'pmcd_perrondon@hotmail.com', '189.211.113.237', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=951.msg9383#msg9383 date=1380503015]<br />stalls forest<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Perro&#039;s Forest pls', 'xx', 1);
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	(9466, 965, 31, 1384397335, 36, 9466, 'Re: Theory of Rolf', 'HeX', 'mdvulture@yahoo.com', '172.6.92.113', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ma get your heart racing in my skin-tight jeans, be your teenage dream tonight', 'xx', 1);
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	(1079, 134, 10, 1251663242, 15, 1079, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.99.154', 1, 0, '', 'With this season aside, hopefully we won&#039;t see the same teams as from what I heard you can&#039;t franchise the same player for more than 2 seasons.&nbsp; We can see more balanced teams, and hopefully each team will be a struggle to beat.&nbsp; Some smart choices by captains and drafting, I hope this season turns out to be more interesting.&nbsp; Not saying that last season wasn&#039;t, but I missed a couple of games for personal reasons and I just wasn&#039;t motivated.&nbsp; It just needs more &quot;umph&quot;.&nbsp; I still like my idea of the longer playoff games and some sort of time-out to be implemented to further enjoy the IDL experience, and to have a more professional feel to it.&nbsp; For there are some of the best players who play doom within this community, it would be a shame to see it wither down.<br /><br />Also I would like to apologize if any of my posts came out too harsh.&nbsp; It&#039;s the way I feel on certain things, and I&#039;m entitled to my personal opinion, and I&#039;m here doing what this thread is all about.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1080, 134, 10, 1251691478, 7, 1080, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.44', 1, 1251691631, 'Ladna', 'Yeah I certainly didn&#039;t mean to discourage speaking your mind.&nbsp; I am a huge fan of vigorous debate - I generally love Fast&#039;s posts for instance.&nbsp; It&#039;s getting a little heated in here though&nbsp; ;) .<br /><br />EDIT:<br /><br />Also I really like 3/5, so much that I think I&#039;d like it for regular season games too.&nbsp; We could work it like quarters (even though it&#039;d be thirds) where there&#039;s time between to get strat together.&nbsp; That would be fun I think.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1081, 134, 10, 1251701332, 20, 1081, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.160', 1, 0, '', 'Holy shit... I must say this stuff has been entertaining to read. <br /><br />I agree with Ladna on the attitude... The IDL(EVERYONE) should be welcoming rookies and making efforts to encourage/help those guys... Not being abrasive. This league will not sustain itself over time with a bunch of egos that can&#039;t stay in check.<br /><br />Thing about SPE... It was smart for Nostar to draft two Euro players and dangle it in front of Nero until he gave in. The unfortunate part is when Nero declared so strongly and publicly that Jkist will not be traded no matter what then completely changes face a couple of weeks later... BUT the season is over now... Learn from your mistakes and have a better season in the winter ;)<br /><br />3 out of 5... I like it. I like it because I like watching IDL match-ups and this just prolongs them and adds the opportunity for even more great play; however 3 out of 5 should be the absolute max because otherwise it becomes a bit diluted. Also, I strongly agree about having a small break in the match. If a team gets behind with strategy, they should be allowed for adjustments. This in itself could produce some good comebacks and more exciting matches.<br /><br />As for SUC being better with or without Jkist... SUC got a few lucky breaks in the year to go undefeated (I think DMR would have given them a better match), but they would have still been #1 seed with or without Jkist. They probably would have went to the Masterbowl with or without him; HOWEVER I honestly do not believe they would have WON the Masterbowl this year without Jkist. Mortalogy is a damn good player and does a really nice job with the ping he has, but with the way that map was in the Masterbowl and how the teams matched up... I don&#039;t think they would have pulled it off. We&#039;ll never know of course, but that is one statement I can make because I truly believe it. It certainly would have been far more impressive though if they could have pulled it off with Mort or Gyrossman at the helm.<br /><br />Fastidious... I certainly wished you wouldn&#039;t have quit and disappeared, but we have also seen other guys do it and comeback. I hope you come back and continue to give it a shot... <br /><br />There&#039;s lot of good stuff in this thread and I like to hear all the different views and opinions expressed by everyone whether they are biased or not.<br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1123, 139, 11, 1255667103, 10, 1123, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'You guys are already captains, this is for vacancies.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1140, 140, 11, 1256622707, 147, 1140, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '76.189.126.100', 1, 0, '', 'Name: LordBritish<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: a_west_2007@hotmail.com<br />Regular Availability: Once every 3 months.<br />Captain: N', 'xx', 1);
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	(6606, 639, 21, 1333231546, 2210, 6606, 'Re: IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'Spider', 'arconte1337@hotmail.com', '186.36.149.120', 1, 0, '', '[quote]Name: Spider<br />Country: Chile<br />Email contact: arconte1337@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: IRC #A3 quakenet<br />Regular Availability: mostly above 17:00PM weekdays[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1102, 136, 1, 1253653808, 19, 1102, 'It''s coming', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', '[size=7]&#9762;[/size]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1328, 157, 11, 1262567985, 16, 1340, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.93.169.64', 1, 1262992599, 'Tai', 'So yeah, it&#039;s about time I start doing predictions. : )<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]SPOT LIGHT GAME[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />Well, considering the Beserker Packers [s]gave away[/s] traded Fast, it&#039;s hard to think of what clear advantage they have against BBC, anymore. None the less, they got a true (but effective?) runner in Rosebird in the trade, which leaves me to wonder who exactly defends on this map. I mean, sure, Chaotix or Shakal could probably do a fine job of escorting Rosebird in and out of these Oda02 bases, which I promise will be covered in blood at the end of the week. But, is there a true defender on this team? Do you need one? <br /><br />Well, whether they have one or not, if there&#039;s one team which they&#039;ll need a good defender against, it&#039;s against the Brokeback Cowboys. Very competent fragging team who will leave teams respawning to their bases faster than....I do?&nbsp; ;D Still, there&#039;s no doubt in my mind that no matter who&#039;s left to defend their flag, the other two players will make it hell for the opposing defense. Not a fun team to play unless you have the same firepower.<br /><br />[i]This isn&#039;t the type of map you want to face a team like the Cowboys in, [b]period[/b]. Rosebird is good, but she won&#039;t provide the fragging power that BSK would need to beat BBC here. Sorry Packers, but prepare to be packed in by the Brokeback Cowboys. See what I did there?<br />[center][b]BBC 2-0 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />If there was a team I&#039;d have to pick with &quot;Most to prove&quot;, I&#039;d easily have to say it&#039;s the Doom Raiders. Can Dragan come back in the league after being banned for a couple of seasons and prove he can play well, let alone without hacking? A similar question can be asked for Blair, although thankfully no one will suspect he hacks, but he was banned for a couple of season for inactivity. Can he bounce back and prove he&#039;s still a lethal defender, or anything? On top of all this, one has to wonder if they can support the flag runner, no matter who that is. <br /><br />The Electric Bills, on the other hand, don&#039;t have as much to prove, except the question of whether they can return to the IDC Championship. Their team, on paper, definitely looks like it can. Returning captain Xenaero brings back Collision and acquired Midian in a franchise pick. Round that out with Skulltag stand-out Legion, and you have a pretty dangerous team. Considering Xen can defend pretty well, you have 3 players who can wreck havoc in the opposing teams&#039; bases when their powers are combined. Oh noes, I have to play this team [b]twice[/b]?!&nbsp; :&#039;(<br /><br />[i]This won&#039;t be pretty. At all.[/i]<br />[center][b]EBL 2-0 DMR[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />I&#039;ll predict that the team with the most flags will win. Oh, and Xen can suck me. : ) <br /><br />[center][b]SPE 0-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br />[i]What you didn&#039;t predict I&#039;d say that? Haha stupid nubs.[/i]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />FLS sounds like a really good team with the proper formation. You have Whiteboy who can, to be quite honest, play both sides well, but if he attacks, are the other players capable of protecting the base when &quot;daddy&#039;s brought a brand new flag&quot;? Looks like he&#039;ll have to be the one to stay home. Besides, we all know Gyross is the real ghost of CTF&#039;s past, what with him lagging around the server, and of course someone likes that has to attack. And then there&#039;s Saber, who will probably just frag shit like a raged beserker. Wait...that doesn&#039;t mean the CAPTAIN will sit, does it? Oh wait...doesn&#039;t Ladna always do that? <br /><br />That leaves SUC, led by the former FLS captain Ralphis and replacing Nostar, his franchise pick. One must wonder who the real captain is. : ) Rounding out the roster is Fastidious, acquired by [s]cheating[/s] trade, and Euro player Dew. From players 1-3, we have a very fraggy team who can leave players licking their [s]holes[/s] wounds, leaving Dew, and you know how those Euros roll. I also feel that team can be very diverse if it so chooses, with Ralphis or Nostar has potential defenders, maybe even Fast, while the guy that doesn&#039;t defend can probably help support the attacker (as long as that support isn&#039;t Nostar lolz). <br /><br />[i]Against SUC, I sense that FLS will be shedding a lot of tears at not getting a lot of flag touches, while I think Whiteboy himself won&#039;t stop some very good fraggers from doubling him up like a ragdoll. [/i]<br />[center][b]SUC 2-0 FLS[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1165, 140, 11, 1257899541, 11, 1165, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '96.18.26.247', 1, 0, '', 'Figured I&#039;d make it official<br /><br />Name: Doomguy666<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: IRC: #unidoom #intldoomleague<br />Regular Availability: Usually 6-7pm central to 11pm-12am central (things can be arranged)<br />Captain: Oh hell yes<br /><br /> ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1082, 134, 10, 1251761449, 22, 1082, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '67.70.67.152', 1, 0, '', 'regarding to the 3/5 games, I think that the regular season should stay the way it is, but the playoff games be best 3 out of 5 rounds. The playoffs are much more intense and have a lot more riding on the match, and also produce some of the greatest matches. Also, maybe the wildcard games remain the same way, best 2 out of 3, with the conference championships and masterbowl games going to best 3 out of 5. The wildcards are kind of an intro to the playoffs, everyones like cool its playoff time lets do this. But once it gets to the CONF Championships, then shit kicks it up a knotch because every team is ONE game away from the masterbowl (and plus, the #1 seed missed one round of the playoffs so they&#039;ll need to do a little catch up right :P), and then theres the masterbowl, the grand daddy of all games played that season, that should DEFINATELY be best 3 out of 5. This way the winning team earns their prize, and does not have one lucky round and then coasts.<br /><br />P.S. SUC vs BBC was probably the best match I&#039;ve ever watched, or one of them at least, and I (and I&#039;m sure many others) would have LOVED to see that go 1, or possibly 2 more rounds. <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; -With Love, Denny.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1083, 134, 10, 1251776363, 2, 1083, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.17.172', 1, 1251776465, 'mikefails', 'i think best of 5 games would be a lot more fun if we had a 32 spec limit :/&nbsp; I kind of like the idea of a best of 5 but its sometimes very difficult to schedule a 30 minute match.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know how we would deal with an hour timeframe, maybe combined with that teams would have to use a backup player at least one of the games?&nbsp; Also there would be a lot more games overlapping and many players wouldn&#039;t get to watch the other games at all (one of the most fun aspects of IDL imo)&nbsp; Of course if players are worried about all d or whatever, then perhaps playoff teams should have to win 2 rounds instead of 1+2 ties etc.&nbsp; This changes the entire style of the game from season to offseason, which would change playoffs up a bit from main season results.<br /><br />just some thoughts i guess', 'xx', 1);
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	(1124, 139, 11, 1255669889, 19, 1124, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=139.msg1123#msg1123 date=1255667103]<br />You guys are already captains, this is for vacancies.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I want FLS.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1231, 147, 11, 1260475819, 10, 1231, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1229#msg1229 date=1260469621]<br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=147.msg1225#msg1225 date=1260439313]<br />If you [url=http://wiki.intldoomleague.org/index.php?title=W2010_Draft&amp;action=history]look at the wiki revision history[/url], I adjusted the draft order on September 27th, almost a month in advance before anyone knew who would be taking over the Spread Eagles <br />[/quote]<br /><br />That is the first evidence that I&#039;ve see so far, which is promising to say the least. Now why you changed the rule without re-voting is a whole different can of worms (referring back to the legislative role of the commissioner being more or less non-existent).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Likely because there was an inconsistency with the rule in the official rules and the one on the forums. I refer to the official rules when making decisions, not the forum posts. Unlike the season specific rule for W2009 relating to franchises, the new forfeit rule had no explicit language regarding retroactive application. Therefor, there was an inconsistency in the rule found in the [i]official[/i] rules and the one found on the forums. Couple this with the fact that quite a few board members were more or less MIA for a period of time, it isn&#039;t so far fetched that such a snafu could occur. <br /><br />As you said, the commissioner has no legislative power other than the ability to introduce a rule to the board and veto a rule. With that said, I feel I&#039;ve produced a considerable amount of evidence to show that there were no attempts to maliciously change the rule or bypass the process in which we&#039;ve set up, but rather a breakdown in communication.<br /><br />I try to enforce the rules the best I can, so it can be problematic when the language is different or, in this case, non-existent in the official rule set.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1149, 140, 11, 1257440455, 27, 1161, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'CabooseA7X', 'CabooseA7X@hotmail.com', '216.157.205.99', 1, 1257785364, 'CabooseA7X', 'I withdraw my signing', 'xx', 1);
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	(8403, 827, 17, 1360883638, 2084, 8403, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'EmZee712', 'Aishiteru712@yahoo.com', '98.218.137.45', 1, 0, '', 'I doubt those dogs will last long there, they are tasty morsels as well.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8909, 881, 3, 1366296171, 2303, 8909, 'Re: What doom is and what doom isn''t', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/8084/primetail.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1285, 152, 3, 1260883518, 10, 1285, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s clearly like &quot;jive&quot;, since it&#039;s short for &quot;private&quot;. Anyone that pronounces it to rhyme with &quot;give&quot; is just a dummy.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1329, 110, 1, 1262578371, 10, 1329, 'Re: Attn: Mr. Hail', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'i dont get it', 'xx', 1);
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	(1085, 134, 10, 1251815059, 22, 1085, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '67.70.67.152', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=134.msg1083#msg1083 date=1251776363]<br />i think best of 5 games would be a lot more fun if we had a 32 spec limit :/&nbsp; I kind of like the idea of a best of 5 but its sometimes very difficult to schedule a 30 minute match.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know how we would deal with an hour timeframe, maybe combined with that teams would have to use a backup player at least one of the games?&nbsp; Also there would be a lot more games overlapping and many players wouldn&#039;t get to watch the other games at all (one of the most fun aspects of IDL imo)&nbsp; Of course if players are worried about all d or whatever, then perhaps playoff teams should have to win 2 rounds instead of 1+2 ties etc.&nbsp; This changes the entire style of the game from season to offseason, which would change playoffs up a bit from main season results.<br /><br />just some thoughts i guess<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well if the best 3 out of 5 rule gets implemented to playoff games only (maybe excluding wildcard game), then the problem of overlapping games will be gone. As for the idea of the 4th player having to play at least one round, that is actually a very interesting idea and I really like it, as it can weed out further the good captains from the bad, but it is hard enough to get 3 people on each time on at once, let alone having the sub there too', 'xx', 1);
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	(1086, 134, 10, 1251831233, 38, 1086, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.41.23', 1, 0, '', 'Ya making a team use there 4th at least 1 round does sound rather interesting, but in that spec why bother having a sub at all if all 4 members are required to play every match just up the teams to 4v4 instead.&nbsp;  With that said I&#039;ve always held my opinion on 3v3 vs 4v4. (lists advantages and disadvantages) <br /><br />Now about [b][size=3]winning[/size][/b] 3 out of 5 games to win the match. I like the idea of &quot;no such thing as ties&quot; I mean that why most other sports league use overtime, extra innings, shoot outs, tie breakers. (ect.) Hell I know I complain about the overtime function in private, but we got that damn thing why not use it. :P <br /><br />Now on to the other few things that seem to be bothering a few people. Player trading every season always seems to bug/annoy someone. Could we just take out trading all together? The answer would have to be a pure an utter No. If we were to take it out might as well just make this a Random Team Tourney instead of an actual league. So to maybe shut a select few up we could use the cost system that keeps getting thrown around, but no doubt someone else would start bitching or the same people for that matter for reasons like &quot;This player is worth too much OMGWTF!&quot; or the opposite as well. I think this would still be our best bet instead of lets say having a board tell us if the trades are reasonable. <br /><br />Let move on to home field advantage, my first idea was to take it out completely. This would work, but i would like to propose an alternative. Lets say Team A picks map01 as home field Team B picked map02. Now Game 1 and 2 is played on map01 and Game 3 and 4 are played on map02. Since Team A had the better season than Team B the final game if needed would be played on map01. I think that is the best compromise I&#039;ve come up with so far when dealing with home field complaints. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1142, 140, 11, 1256698067, 30, 1142, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '69.76.127.4', 1, 0, '', 'Name: BEAST3[R] aka footina55<br />Alias:[DarkAlley]Best<br />Country: Freedom Land<br />Email contact: KJOLLY AT UWM.EDU<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings and weekends<br />Bitch Count: A whole heeeap of bitches<br />Captain:NO (because ill be busy for the spring season)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1150, 140, 11, 1257542932, 130, 1150, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '168.91.255.100', 1, 0, '', 'crapstar <br />USA #1 !!!<br />do not email<br />i am on irc some<br />late, after 10pm EST<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1173, 142, 11, 1258886991, 95, 1173, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Mortalogy', 'A_L_U_C_A_R_D_999@Hotmail.com', '80.236.203.188', 1, 0, '', 'sorry i won&#039;t play idl anymore. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1176, 142, 11, 1258995172, 137, 1176, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Collision_', 'zdcollision@gmail.com', '99.239.22.5', 1, 0, '', 'i accept&nbsp; 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6607, 639, 21, 1333259223, 267, 6607, 'Re: IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.225.66.24', 1, 0, '', 'Ok ill play,my avail its pretty tricky atm since im mega busy working on my solo album that its coming in 2 months so if YOU draft me and YOU will i can play whenever just let me know 3 or 4 days before the game pls,anyways u r all gay ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1288, 146, 11, 1260915645, 30, 1288, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.185', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=146.msg1283#msg1283 date=1260869353]<br />Geez u got mad. <br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />i never said it did u retard, I said before its starts doing its source destination broadcast their is a header all UDP packets have to meet the same stateful source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do........me mentioning ppl might not understand syn/ack doesn&#039;t magically transform into me saying that UDP uses syn/ack dumbass<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br />[/quote]<br /><br />And for the record you never said any of that stuff in the first quote. I just read down through your posts and nothing even remotely similar to that stolen quote was anywhere in your posts. The rest of the quote you stole from this website [http://thetazzone.com/blog/cisco-pix-tcp-udp-nat-pat-and-port-redirection/] goes like this:<br /><br />&quot;All UDP packets have to meet the same Stateful Source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do, but as there is no sequencing it is relatively easy to spoof a UDP packet and maybe even get it through the firewall.&quot;<br /><br />I hate to be the one to break this to you but...you&#039;re really dumb. I know that not everyone uses their best grammar here but god damn man it&#039;s like you never passed the 1st grade. Learn to how to correctly differentiate there, their and they&#039;re. It will serve you well, forums or otherwise.<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />looky here dumbass # 2, I&#039;m upset about nothing, I just like talking shit, some ppl just can&#039;t handle it. <br /><br />I can find that statement on several sites because its general terminolgy used in the networking world &#039;stateful UDP&#039; FTR.&nbsp; Since you got time to burn google stateful UDP. <br /><br />http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;q=All+UDP+packets+have+to+meet+the+same+Stateful+Source+IP+%26+Port%2C+Destination+IP+%26+Port+prerequisites+that+the+TCP+packet+do&amp;aq=&amp;aqi=&amp;oq=&amp;fp=b36c7832dbb01be6<br /><br />or that...better yet lets make a wiki page 8) <br /><br />here we go again commenting about grammar on forums..nobody cares...well idc, this is like sending sms messages to me<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t expect you to know anything about the OSI model as the standard is TCP stacks now, they are closely related just more layers in OSI. if you dig deeply you would understand the terminology that I&#039;m referring to. I could take this Cisco book and scan it but hey thats unnecessary as well you know idc<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br />[/quote]<br /><br />re-reading it I do understand how it can be misinterpreted, confusing and or blatantly sound ridiculous but I&#039;m still looking for where I said UDP uses syn/ack because I didn&#039;t ...so hmm I&#039;ll re-write this <br /><br />all packets use syn syn/ack ack, however when a udp connection is made this is not applicable...sounds a bit less dumb but thats how it was meant to be read, lol quotes on intial follow by all doesn&#039;t help either but as previously stated I write on here as if I was having a conversation...so yeah idc <br /><br />questions? ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1330, 110, 1, 1262730020, 2, 1330, 'Re: Attn: Mr. Hail', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.47.143', 1, 0, '', 'get out of my thread, this is private ladna on miek dialogue', 'xx', 1);
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	(6902, 667, 23, 1338064664, 2210, 6902, 'Re: Blue Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Spider', 'arconte1337@hotmail.com', '190.47.72.163', 1, 0, '', 'Spider 0 - 2 SoulSucka<br /><br />Chill3: 29 - 50<br />Exposed: 30 - 50<br /><br />Demos: http://www.speedyshare.com/9M65h/soul.zip<br /><br />GGs!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8514, 843, 17, 1361590558, 2174, 8514, 'Re: Franchising.', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.243.48.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=843.msg8512#msg8512 date=1361586787]<br />this is completely. I am the disugsted of import player into league my self captain of the&nbsp; ???<br /><br />franchising is an idea that is sub of the stallion is in. for you. i am the in legend for implicate around the a good.&nbsp; :-*<br />[/quote]A+ for capo.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9430, 960, 31, 1382154876, 157, 9430, 'Re: When the fuck are...', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.70.176', 1, 0, '', 'i would post a witty or shitty image here but the fun police exists so:<br /><br />good luck RMR and SUC! hope the game gets played!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8622, 853, 25, 1362695138, 75, 8622, 'Re: Season 13 / Winter 2013 Playoffs - Semifinals Round - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=853.msg8621#msg8621 date=1362689400]<br />Are we blue? Cause blue never loses<br />[/quote]<br />shut up, dudley.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8702, 859, 17, 1363222452, 2303, 8702, 'Re: IDL Port Preference Poll', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'I wish there was an option for &quot;Fine with any port&quot;, as I am. I just go where the action is.<br /><br />Choosing one of them would be really difficult.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8730, 859, 17, 1363485204, 209, 8730, 'Re: IDL Port Preference Poll', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '71.71.255.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=859.msg8723#msg8723 date=1363374598][color=red][B][size=7]PLAY LEAGUE OF LEGENDS.[/size][/b][/color]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is horrible advice and you should be ashamed.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8743, 828, 28, 1363736049, 10, 8743, 'Re: Unlagged.', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '24.45.4.169', 1, 0, '', 'I think it is best to keep them as two separate server variables for user simplicity. Unlagged on or off without having to get into the technical details of the max unlag time', 'xx', 1);
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	(1087, 134, 10, 1252008759, 16, 1087, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 1252008857, 'Tai', 'Fastidious, you quit on my team in Season 2 cause you thought I wasn&#039;t &quot;dedicated&quot; enough even though I was forced to play a 2vs2 against a hacker and a lagger (j/k Shakal I lub you long time) and WE had 4 players on. Maybe that was a mistake using only 2 guys, huh? Oops!&nbsp; ::)<br /><br /> You&#039;re coming off as mentally soft; this is the 2nd team you ragequit a team. Nero probably did make a mistake trading away Jkist, but you don&#039;t help your case by leaving your team out to dry. It&#039;s hilarious seeing you whine about how you have to play with 3 Euros. I get it, if you think the team will suck, why bother? Nero, deww, mort? Those aren&#039;t sucky players. Not the best judgement&nbsp; by you to ragequit. <br /><br />I suggest you apply to be a captain again, cause clearly you&#039;re not truly competent mentally to be the 2nd or 3rd player on a team. Or at least, not as well as others. Notice how I didn&#039;t say 4th player, cause you&#039;re clearly better than that and [b]THAT[/b] you probably don&#039;t deserve. <br /><br />But hey, if you captain again, maybe you&#039;ll win another master bowl! : ))))', 'xx', 1);
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	(1088, 134, 10, 1252009031, 16, 1088, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'Oh yeah, and I don&#039;t know about everyone else, but every 4th player of my teams have played for one reason or another. They get their chances, etc. 3vs3 should stay. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1093, 134, 10, 1252452274, 10, 1093, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '174.100.244.191', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=134.msg1092#msg1092 date=1252439250]Now I don&#039;t expect this to happen at all as Ralphis basically just does as he pleases with this league and seems to be against the idea thus far. But I still think it&#039;s an interesting concept and would most likely be a lot of fun. If I had more time on my hands I might do that but as it stands IDL looks to be the same format for a while :)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Decisions like this are ultimately at the discretion of the IDL board, not me. (Though I would implore them to vote against such a change)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1089, 134, 10, 1252024323, 130, 1089, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '168.91.255.100', 1, 1252045854, 'nostar', 'ROFL Tai, sometimes I underestimate how much you bring to IDL.<br /><br />Anyway I will make a real post instead of flaming some loser quitter. Fun as that is I do have some thoughts on bettering the league. <br /><br />I really dig the idea of best 3/5 for playoffs. Regular season 2/3 seems enough to me. Season games tend to determine who can turn it on in crunch time and really those are the people who will win a 2/3 match anyway. The only real exception I can remember is PAK and that was just Bones being a cheater so it doesn&#039;t count :)<br /><br />As to the home-field debate. I think the system is modeled after league sports (NBA at least) so it&#039;s not like it&#039;s arbitrary. It makes sense that the regular season games should mean something at the end. However, these last two seasons where my team had to sit out a week before playing probably hurt us more than anything. I think that EARNING your home-field is important, it was one of the reasons SUC played like such bitches in map27 vs DMR in season 5. We knew that if we had to play them on 04 it would have been a nightmare. A tie was good enough for us in that scenario. Concocting some home-field schema to make things more &quot;fair&quot; for the players who are worse at doom is sort of a lame idea. The IDL isn&#039;t supposed to make crappy players win, it&#039;s supposed to make good players compete. <br /><br />Saber had a suggestion that I want to take issue with though. I believe it referred to getting rid of trading all together. While I like the idea of limiting the boneheaded moves of captains, I personally think trading could be a really cool season changing feature for a lot of teams. Actually in a lot of ways it has. Just this last season I got JKist! Heh. Another notable trade was when Donut traded Midd to DPT, which I would say put them in the master bowl that season. I really think that captains and players need to look at trading less like an insult and more like a strategic play. Otherwise Saber is right, trades only happen in desperate circumstances, generally making one team stronger and another weaker. To be honest, the reasons for trading need to be adjusted. Most of the time it&#039;s that a player isn&#039;t showing up or isn&#039;t good enough, but there are a lot of instances where it&#039;s just not the right combination of players. Take KGB last season. Tai MB and Mantis barely made playoffs while Mantis Stall and MB made it to the master bowl. Really, aside from Tai&#039;s improv defense, he&#039;s one of the strongest players in IDL on a regular basis. He&#039;s toward the top in picks in priv and no one can say he doesn&#039;t have a Masterbowl under his belt. Stallion just fit better with mantis and mb. I really wish captains would think more about this stuff, it could make the league really interesting and shake things up in the future seasons. For instance I play really badly with Ralph, which isn&#039;t to say that either of us are bad players, but that we have different ideas about what getting the win is. Actually that isn&#039;t true, but it&#039;s a good example anyway.<br /><br />The only other thing I thought would be cool is something like a team tourney. I don&#039;t see why IDL can&#039;t be a host to that kind of thing too. This is where competitive doom gets played. I know we&#039;re a draft based league, but really with the franchise era we&#039;re one step away from having team signups. That would be cool as shit imo. And I know what you&#039;re thinking... &quot;Nostar wants to signup with NS again, he&#039;s gay&quot;. While this may sound ridiculous, after two seasons of NS and almost 3 with Chew I&#039;m pretty sick of them. I can really see signing up with miek and bones or cookies and ghost or w/e. Even if we just tested it out I really think it would take off and maybe become a preferred method. It would most likely eliminate the whole &quot;fair&quot; argument because you signed up with players you choose. As far as recreuitment goes, I get the feeling some old DXers might show up and put an interesting spin on teamse, EVO has two teams at least, UD has two or three, NS could probably get one together. If R has anyone still playing that makes 8 teams. Throw in some euros and miek and we have at least enough people for 8 teams even with some players dropping. Do not mistake my idea for a clan tourney, [b]I do not mean a clan tourney[/b], the clans were mentioned to demonstrate the amount of people who could potentially sign up. It could even take the form of a 4v4 event if enough people signed up.<br /><br />Anyway that is something that might break the monotony of Star/Bones/Ralph/Chain always dominating you fools in IDL. Maybe some coordination from pre-aligned teams would help break that cycle. Although Mantis managed this season he&#039;s been at it for years and only just now gotten into the MB. I think a change of the base idea for IDL (even just a seasonal thing) could be really fun. Anything to keep me from quitting this game forever and ruining my life with WoW ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1090, 134, 10, 1252416302, 19, 1090, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.246.226', 1, 1252416504, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=134.msg1089#msg1089 date=1252024323]As to the home-field debate. I think the system is modeled after league sports (NBA at least) so it&#039;s not like it&#039;s arbitrary.[/quote]<br />Pretty sure no one at all sees that this is nothing like a league sport, which means I&#039;m likely going to argue the point, much less suggestions for the solution, for the rest of my Dooming days. Look at every sports arena. Seriously, look at them all. Then, take into thought the entire post-season homefield scenarios. Of course this post-season thing works out for them. They&#039;re all the same! This is the polar opposite of how Doom maps are laid out. Not one is the same, requiring drastically different play and strategy in comparison. Can you imagine if this was true with each and every sports stadium? There&#039;d be so much complaining about that system being slanted it would be ridiculous, and as far as sports tend to go with rules and regulations, it&#039;d likely be &quot;one game here, one game there, tiebreaker here&quot; sort of thing. So you look at the homefield thing we have now, and it&#039;s kind of retarded if you play one map the whole time. If you&#039;re a top of the line team and deserve to go to the masterbowl, or hell, even the conference playoffs, what&#039;s to say you won&#039;t win multiple maps if it&#039;s set up like that? Of course some games will probably be impeded by this idea (multiple maps per game), and I&#039;m just gonna assume that since some people erroneously think that I&#039;m only applying this because of SUC, instead of helping exploring alternate routes for it, the idea is dead. 8)<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=134.msg1089#msg1089 date=1252024323]Saber had a suggestion that I want to take issue with though. I believe it referred to getting rid of trading all together. While I like the idea of limiting the boneheaded moves of captains, I personally think trading could be a really cool season changing feature for a lot of teams.[/quote]<br />Thing is, if a Captain makes a dumb move that limits the playing field for his/her team, it really is their own fault, and a mistake well worth learning from. Some players also just don&#039;t mix well with the team socially or in a playing method either, so it&#039;s best to dump them for that or other reasons, like say, them not showing up ever for a game. Your examples of yourself and Ralphis are pretty good, since everyone knows that you two don&#039;t necessarily provide the best combination despite what&#039;s laid out on paper. But if you were...to trade! Both teams might actually benefit from it! So you see, getting rid of trading isn&#039;t the best idea, instead it should be encouraged. Right now there&#039;s too much negativity about trading as it is, ending in players simply dropping out if threatened to trade, or rigging games, or some other bullshit like that. It&#039;s ridiculous and needs to stop. What players need to think if being traded is, &quot;Maybe this is the best move for the team I&#039;m going to and I need to try and help them win!&quot;, none of this nonsense about &quot;OH OK WELL I GUESS MY TEAM DOESNT NEED ME ILL HATE THEM FOREVER AND RIG EVERY GAME SO MY NEW TEAM LOSES, I AM [b]DISGRUNTLED[/b]&quot;. Yeah, that&#039;s not cool.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=134.msg1089#msg1089 date=1252024323]Anything to keep me from quitting this game forever and ruining my life with WoW ;)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Nah, Ladna will drag your ass back even if there&#039;s only mike left playing Doom.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1091, 134, 10, 1252424283, 10, 1091, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '174.100.244.191', 1, 1252425376, 'Ralphis', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=134.msg1090#msg1090 date=1252416302]<br />Pretty sure no one at all sees that this is nothing like a league sport, which means I&#039;m likely going to argue the point, much less suggestions for the solution, for the rest of my Dooming days. Look at every sports arena. Seriously, look at them all. Then, take into thought the entire post-season homefield scenarios. Of course this post-season thing works out for them. They&#039;re all the same![/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s not entirely true at all. Each stadium and arena in sports leagues such as Major League Baseball and the NFL are all different and are advantageous to the team which practices there the most often and/or whom the stadium was built in mind for.<br /><br />For instance, Citizen&#039;s Bank Park, the home of the Philadelphia Phillies, is a newer ball park that was built specifically with the current Phillies club in mind. From the dimensions of the field to the way the wind carries the ball, the park was built for a power game (smacking homers all day) that compliments the style of the club who plays there the most often. <br /><br />Also, in Football and baseball, stadiums are rarely the same from a physical standpoint. There are many different conditions which change the way the game is played which can extend to temperature, wind, and precipitation. <br /><br />The Miami Dolphins can likely be expected to play better in the 70 degree weather in which they practice and are used to than if they were to face the Green Bay Packers in December with snow covering the field. Additionally, some stadiums are domed and essentially cancel out all of these conditions together.<br /><br />On top of this, a factor which rarely plays in favor of the homefield team in the IDL is fan adoration. Unlike in big league sports where fans of the home team can be rowdy and play into psyching out the opponent, the IDL is typically the exact opposite. The trend of IDL spectating is that the underdog is almost always the team which is cheered on by the general public (this is not always applicable).<br /><br />Though an entirely different playing field as seen in the IDL may not be exactly comparable to the natural elements which affect all sports stadiums, it does serve to prove the point that sports stadiums are never &quot;the same&quot; and usually tend to play into the favor of the home team, just as the homefields in the IDL do.<br /><br />Also, an additional note, under the current playoff format, there will always be 5 different unique maps played from the wild card round to the MasterBowl. No map is played in the same game twice throughout the entire playoff/championship series.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=134.msg1089#msg1089 date=1252024323]The only other thing I thought would be cool is something like a team tourney. I don&#039;t see why IDL can&#039;t be a host to that kind of thing too. This is where competitive doom gets played. I know we&#039;re a draft based league, but really with the franchise era we&#039;re one step away from having team signups.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The problem I see with this is that you basically take away from what the IDL is intended to do which is:<br /><br />A) mix up teams on a regular basis<br />B) disperse talent throughout the league proportionally<br /><br />Sure, there have been instances every season where talent hasn&#039;t been spread equally. However, if you truly look back at these occurances, most have happened due to issues which occur at some point DURING the season. Even this summer, the two bottom teams FLS and SPE were plagued by issues which appeared during the regular season, not immediately after the teams were built. Both teams looked respectable on paper and I would argue talent was dispersed fairly amongst all eight teams.<br /><br />However, on the up-side, the other 6 teams in the league fared rather well this season which indicates that both the franchise and draft systems are considerably effective in both diversifying and creating parity amongst the league.<br /><br />Could a team sign-up league do well? Sure, but it likely won&#039;t happen under the IDL banner. For as many attempts as there have been towards a league of a signup format, I have never seen any be as [i]interesting[/i], [i]unpredictable[/i], or [b][i]successful[/i][/b] as the IDL. Have you?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1092, 134, 10, 1252439250, 130, 1092, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '168.91.255.100', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=134.msg1091#msg1091 date=1252424283]For as many attempts as there have been towards a league of a signup format, I have never seen any be as [i]interesting[/i], [i]unpredictable[/i], or [b][i]successful[/i][/b] as the IDL. Have you?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Granted I&#039;ve only been playing zdaemon for a couple years, but I haven&#039;t seen any at all. Sign-up leagues are either proposed through the zdforums (and thusly never happen) or take the stunted form of clan wars (which also rarely happen). The idea of using the IDL community to do this is sort of what makes it a plausible concept. I&#039;m really not sure if the teams would be fair or not, although I can see there being overall more competitive teams because players will be more accountable to their peers rather than to whoever deigned to draft then. I know it kind of removes the unique and interesting hodgepodge that current IDL can bring, but that is why I wouldn&#039;t propose IDL changing to this format year-round. Maybe having a Summer Season where the draft/franchise system is in place and a winter season where players signup together. It would break up the monotony of IDL (imo) and give a more dynamic format for competition and provide a good contrast to IDL as it is now. There is also a chance that it would bring in veteran players that are more comfortable playing with a static team rather than being at the mercy of the draft or w/e. <br /><br />Now I don&#039;t expect this to happen at all as Ralphis basically just does as he pleases with this league and seems to be against the idea thus far. But I still think it&#039;s an interesting concept and would most likely be a lot of fun. If I had more time on my hands I might do that but as it stands IDL looks to be the same format for a while :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1126, 139, 11, 1255905571, 22, 1126, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '67.70.64.101', 1, 0, '', 'Shadow_Ghost for Captain', 'xx', 1);
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	(1143, 140, 11, 1256749230, 148, 1143, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'SeanTheBaptist', 'midnightreligion@yahoo.com', '174.101.214.187', 1, 1256749668, 'SeanTheBaptist', 'Name: SeanTheBaptist<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: midnightreligion@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: oooofrostoooo@hotmail.com (msn)<br />Regular Availability: Most, if not all, evenings and weekends. (dayshift work)<br />Captain: N<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(9473, 962, 18, 1385244885, 2303, 9473, 'Re: Masterbowl winners: RMR', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.245.135.86', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://forums.intldoomleague.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=116;type=avatar[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1246, 147, 11, 1260576156, 10, 1246, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1244#msg1244 date=1260565135]Personally I think the IDL board as of late has been a bit too penalty happy especially given the community size.[/quote]<br /><br />Could you further elaborate on this point and perhaps provide some recent instances that support this argument?<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1244#msg1244 date=1260565135]People should be given second chances and issues should be discussed and brought to light in the public.[/quote]<br /><br />Dragan was suspended for -4 seasons- for cheating in the league, yet I still see you rubbing this in around the forums Fastidious. If you want to preach forgiveness on that front, you should at least practice your own suggestions as Dragan has served a penalty time longer than all other suspended players combined.<br /><br />People are continuously given second, and third, and fourth chances in the IDL whether it is the right thing to do or not. Just look at this season&#039;s free agency and captain list.<br /><br />The board members promise to act in bona fide and serve the interests of the league and engages in, often, long and rigorous debates (especially when it comes to players in the league).<br /><br />However, I am in agreement with you that more transparency would not necessarily be a bad thing.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1244#msg1244 date=1260565135]The only thing which I think would warrant such harsh measures on a first time basis is aliasing as another player in a match or cheating.[/quote]<br /><br />What makes throwing a match different from cheating? In my own personal opinion, throwing a game [i]is[/i] cheating, even of a higher form than that of an aimbot, etc. At least when people cheat in that capacity, they are doing it to serve their OWN team and not others (not that this excuses the matter).<br /><br />The IDL is a competitive league and, when you begin to throw games, you are cheating your team, all of the other teams, and the league as a whole. Had KGB lost that game two seasons ago (which they should have until BBC started to throw it out the window), EBL would have made a playoff berth.<br /><br />While some people might argue that &quot;EBL was weaker and didn&#039;t deserve to make the playoffs&quot;, that&#039;s irrelevant because they [b]would[/b] have made the playoffs. So in that sense, anyone on BBC that participated in throwing the game [b]cheated[/b] EBL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2519, 275, 1, 1284162256, 3, 2519, 'Re: More maps per match', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'randmap for the masterbowl<br /><br />But really a variety of maps for the MB would be great as each round would remain exciting, and as Rottking suggested 3 out of 5 would also make it intense. Only problem with that is if the later maps are easy to defend then the winning team could just shut them down on D, but I guess a no tie rule would defeat that.', 'xx', 1);
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I can&#039;t divulge its location right now. It&#039;s a well-kept secret and if he were to find it... 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I don&#039;t have a whole lot of t&#850;&#794;&#877;&#771;&#858;&#797;&#841;&#805;i&#830;&#870;&#836;&#784;&#770;&#859;&#791;&#805;&#804;&#840;&#790;&#792;&#828;m&#788;&#870;&#873;&#870;&#773;&#832;&#828;&#810;&#803;&#854;e&#805;&#793;&#839;&#825; but what you need to do is s&#867;&#774;&#868;&#820;e&#873;&#788;&#772;&#770;&#863;&#858;&#816;&#827;&#804;e&#778;&#878;&#836;&#776;&#775;&#877;&#846;&#851;&#852;&#845;&#858;&#814;k&#794;&#878;&#774;&#778;&#871;&#836;&#872;&#851;&#845;&#799; &#877;&#771;&#788;&#774;&#776;&#785;&#788;&#866;&#826;&#803;&#819;&#814;o&#786;&#838;&#793;u&#829;&#874;&#831;&#807;&#818;&#837;&#826;&#800;&#846;&#804;&#846;t&#846;&#796;&#840;&#813;&#840;&#826; &#873;&#877;&#821;t&#780;&#778;&#780;&#768;&#854;&#815;&#812;&#790;&#804;&#813;h&#773;&#768;&#872;&#831;&#779;&#794;&#829;&#851;&#804;&#841;&#826;e&#785;&#848;&#784;&#867;&#878;&#774; &#794;&#843;&#782;&#838;&#783;&#808;&#809;&#813;&#796;&#846;&#799;o&#842;&#772;n&#786;&#869;e&#827;&#799;&#814; &#867;&#869;&#836;&#783;&#868;&#778;&#788;&#860;&#812;&#803;&#812;n&#822;&#853;&#812;&#816;&#825;&#845;a&#773;&#783;&#779;&#871;&#878;&#826;&#793;&#846;m&#777;&#873;&#777;&#836;&#778;&#777;&#862;&#811;e&#878;&#794;&#790;&#853;&#826;&#852;&#804;&#798;&#800;d&#805; R&#830;&#871;&#829;&#786;&#878;&#831;&#770;&#773;&#848;&#771;&#855;&#838;&#773;&#879;&#869;&#782;&#831;&#832;&#802;&#862;&#789;&#802;&#845;&#812;&#797;&#798;&#819;&#803;&#826;&#858;a&#794;&#782;&#872;&#831;&#772;&#835;&#875;&#779;&#859;&#782;&#831;&#801;&#802;&#815;&#841;&#857;&#846;&#851;&#858;&#809;&#846;&#825;&#812;&#806;&#854;&#819;&#857;&#813;&#851;&#814;l&#780;&#829;&#870;&#780;&#849;&#876;&#875;&#830;&#794;&#768;&#768;&#785;&#780;&#772;&#795;&#807;&#807;&#862;&#810;&#799;&#851;&#825;&#800;&#790;&#839;&#818;&#811;&#810;&#815;&#858;&#853;p&#855;&#785;&#869;&#870;&#869;&#772;&#787;&#831;&#787;&#830;&#787;&#830;&#772;&#849;&#777;&#879;&#830;&#866;&#864;&#847;&#800;&#813;&#791;&#840;&#792;&#809;h&#794;&#835;&#771;&#770;&#831;&#842;&#842;&#829;&#830;&#834;&#859;&#794;&#870;&#860;&#863;&#816;&#825;&#791;&#858;&#837;&#839;&#812;&#815;&#803;i&#870;&#871;&#774;&#859;&#843;&#786;&#871;&#831;&#772;&#794;&#775;&#876;&#779;&#781;&#859;&#779;&#861;&#860;&#821;&#808;&#804;&#813;&#804;&#853;&#819;&#837;&#851;&#845;&#828;&#806;&#837;s&#835;&#870;&#775;&#871;&#871;&#794;&#783;&#787;&#876;&#782;&#783;&#859;&#788;&#773;&#782;&#786;&#876;&#833;&#864;&#789;&#832;&#802;&#827;&#816;&#840;&#806;. That&#039;s our o&#877;&#877;&#842;&#842;&#776;&#834;&#837;&#840;&#793;&#854;n&#768;&#783;&#772;&#842;&#780;&#773;&#792;&#805;&#810;l&#850;&#831;&#800;&#819;&#845;&#826;&#817;&#811;y&#868;&#834;&#771;&#848;&#867;&#822;&#826;&#796; &#781;&#849;&#782;&#844;&#779;&#811;&#797;&#851;&#828;&#798;&#819;&#853;c&#792;&#845;h&#786;&#777;&#775;&#777;&#842;&#779;&#794;&#857;a&#831;&#871;&#781;&#802;&#825;&#796;&#798;&#799;n&#849;&#843;&#788;&#845;&#846;&#854;&#825;&#814;&#799;&#825;c&#869;&#774;&#876;&#830;&#877;&#832;&#846;&#852;&#806;&#853;e&#874;&#832;&#799;&#841;&#837;&#793; for survival and freedom from the hands of this tyrant.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1094, 134, 10, 1252513953, 2, 1094, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.17.172', 1, 0, '', 'I agree that the idea sounds pretty interesting and would probably be the way to field the best teams, but really I don&#039;t think that is what IDL is about.&nbsp; To me, IDL has always been about exposing the very best players.&nbsp; Simply, I find those players best that are the most flexible.&nbsp; The ability to play on any team and in any position not only allows you to be a dynamic, successful player, but helps your team to succeed as well by allowing them to play to their strengths.&nbsp; These consistently flexible players are the ones I value most highly, they tend to win, have a good attitude, and help solidify the team.&nbsp; I also feel that exposure to adverse circumstances and different players really helps to maximize a players growth as they deal with new problems, adopt different playing styles to cope with different teams.<br /><br />Don&#039;t get me wrong, we aren&#039;t all just a buncha showboats (besides ralphis), IDL is a ctf league with a focus on organized teamwork nearly always resulting in a superior team, causing major upsets at times.&nbsp; The league is simply more exciting and more fun when we mix up the players, make predictions, do the draft, run the allstar game, make stats, and all that crap.&nbsp; I remember years ago we had to do a draft by list (rofl) and now IDL has nearly gotten to the point where we would shiver and shake before having a live draft radio show with all captains present.<br /><br />Again, I think a signup team league would be fun but ultimately it would never be big enough to make a league like IDL, I couldn&#039;t imagine getting more than 4 teams to participate at best.&nbsp; I think perhaps it would be an interesting offseason event to hold if we were so inclined, but we already have an offseason event called PRIV!&nbsp; Also I think we are a little more focused on some other matters at this time, hopefully we will be scrapping some maps from IDL wad that blow for some new maps that rock from a few unincorporated wads this time, ANY SUGGESTIONS??!?!?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1095, 134, 10, 1252527447, 16, 1095, 'Re: Summer 2009: Praise &amp; Criticism', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m in favor of Xen&#039;s idea for both team&#039;s &quot;homefield&quot; maps being played. But, I do think the higher seed should get maps 1 and 3. <br /><br />In the event of a tie after 3 rounds, the team with the most flags get their home map played first, then alternate. <br /><br />In the event of tie in flags after 3 rounds as well, the higher seed&#039;s map is played first, then alternate.<br /><br />How&#039;s that sound?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1127, 139, 11, 1255905649, 130, 1127, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.44', 1, 0, '', '^^^ IS A CHUMP BIATCH', 'xx', 1);
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	(1234, 146, 11, 1260491061, 20, 1234, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', 'Try this out:<br /><br />[url=http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:3KW5QUeOZrQJ:www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php%3Fid%3D2574+Receive+Side+Scaling+Queues+gaming&amp;cd=7&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us]http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:3KW5QUeOZrQJ:www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php%3Fid%3D2574+Receive+Side+Scaling+Queues+gaming&amp;cd=7&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;gl=us[/url]<br /><br /><br />I just skimmed over it, but it says something along the lines of Vista needs a hotfix or SP1 to do it, but I would guess it should work fine in 7? <br /><br />Give it a shot and find out&nbsp; ;)<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1289, 152, 3, 1260920863, 19, 1289, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Shakal link=topic=152.msg1287#msg1287 date=1260914866]<br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote][/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6290, 614, 20, 1330127557, 19, 6290, 'Re: Week 8 (FEB 20 - FEB 26) : ZDCTF09 (MAP09) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.224.113', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=614.msg6289#msg6289 date=1330125859]<br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=614.msg6288#msg6288 date=1330124073]<br />hey xyltol maybe it would be helpful in the future if when someone tells you not to push up you don&#039;t push up just putting that out there thanks for droppin by<br />[/quote]<br />dude, shut the fuck up. most of the flags we conceived were my fault, because SG is a fake gun for me on TT and whenever i had to get a SG hit, i whiffed 48 while tailing the flagger all the way back to the opposing base.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re a dumb piece of shit. I had him back with explicit orders all three rounds to never push up, and if you&#039;ll take your candy european ass into zd to review the demo you will plainly see Xyltol actually running and leaving you to fight bbc&#039;s carrier alone, which resulted in a flag for them that put us down by one and blew any chance of us bringing back the match. But you would know since you and everyone else think they know best how to play, which is abundantly clear considering the disregard for the gameplan I lay out and everyone confirms they will follow, and how everyone in irc apparently has all the answers when people don&#039;t show up for a game for the 5th time this season. You&#039;re fucking useless. You&#039;ll bitch and moan constantly when I&#039;m practically forced to bring out out of the woodwork to play, and I have to deal with the other team purposefully screwing us over in addition to this and any lack of cohesive practice. But I guess you&#039;ll blame me for that too, despite I was the only one calling for prac this entire week (dont even mention past weeks). Go fuck yourself, dew. I can&#039;t help but notice I brought back flags solo spiking up to 250 when you brought back what, how many? Oh yeah, 0. Go run your mouth to someone else, or better yet, you cap the fuckin&#039; team and see how far you get. Dumbass. And to everyone else you try playing on prob one of the most frustrating teams to play on this season and see how you&#039;ll react. Getting shit on by bones and ralph because it&#039;s 15 minutes past the game and I&#039;m trying to get a team together so we don&#039;t forfeit, and yelled at because I&#039;m supposed to have some kind of telepathy that bones is talking to xyltol and prime outside of irc channels we&#039;re in. Get off my fuckin back.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5323, 532, 17, 1321036255, 2073, 5323, 'Re: A CTF Guide For The New Guys', 'Nati46', 'yerom8@walla.com', '79.178.196.117', 1, 0, '', 'Doom is really Rocket science init', 'xx', 1);
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	(1171, 140, 11, 1258333414, 39, 1171, 'Re: IDL Winter 2010 Signups Open', 'Mistopher', 'masonridings@yahoo.com', '72.152.34.129', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Mistopher ([WOLF])<br />Country: USA<br />Email: masonridings@yahoo.com<br />IM: mistopher@live.com<br />Availability: Most evenings and weekends<br />Captain: F N', 'xx', 1);
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	(1235, 144, 11, 1260493050, 130, 1235, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '168.91.17.152', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m pretty excited about how into this new season Fast seems to be. You were missed big goof!<br /><br />Ditto on Donut, I&#039;d like to see him play on another team that hates him...and quit again, then stalk forums...rinse...repeat...or take a leap.<br /><br />Captains this season need to be smart, because Fast is right in a big way. The franchise era brought big ticket duos to the forefront. So I&#039;ll sum up my ideas for each captain. Really you&#039;ll all do what you want, but this is what I tell captains I like and what I would tell you if we liked each other enough to talk.<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Tai: You need a runner and a defender. Much as you have been the preeminent defender in the IDL, you&#039;re not a very solid defender at this stage. Maybe take a look at Collision and Jenova, both R or ex-R members that can compete at most any position you give them. Don&#039;t draft Beast ffs.[/li]<br /><br />[li]Xen: You&#039;ve got Mid and that is a good grab for you, especially if you make him DEFEND! Get a solid runner and play conservative defense. Then hope to god you get to see the semi-finals before you go back to the shelf courtesy of SUC (again!).[/li]<br /><br />[li]DG: I have no idea what to tell you. I&#039;ll shoot u some PMs soon enough.[/li]<br /><br />[li]Ralph: Don&#039;t feel bad if some of our games go the whole 10 minutes. Sometimes you gotta do it slow, build up to something.[/li]<br /><br />[li]Denny: Fuck off.[/li]<br /><br />[li]Shakal: I hope you ream Denny so hard that he forgets how to poop.[/li]<br /><br />[li]Mantis: If you&#039;re taking Stallion please god put him to work on defense. He has one of the most brutal shots in IDL and wastes it jerking around on offense. Get a really solid runner and make your season a +.500 one.[/li]<br /><br />[li]Ladna: If you don&#039;t get first pick, quit the board and IDL all together. Start using yr database skills for $$$ and tell these pricks to eat one.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />Lastly I want to impress upon captains that the euros signed up are pretty active in our scene and do better in priv than most of the non-franchise players. Don&#039;t over look them!<br />That&#039;s all folks!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8395, 827, 17, 1360879718, 8, 8395, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '72.37.244.76', 1, 0, '', 'Wow Mobius. You need some sort of history lesson here. <br /><br />Season 1: SXG played half of it&#039;s season 2v2 because Doomguy went off somewhere.<br />Season 2: 0-10 SNAX. Need I say more?<br />Season 3: Can&#039;t remember anything too particular here, except there was a huge mid-season draft that changed the entire league.<br />Season 4: Ok, nothing too bad here.<br />Season 5: Seems fine again.<br />Season 6: Nautilus, Ralphis, Fastidious, Shakal, and MadV all left midseason for various reasons. That fucked up a lot, including the brief Commissioner change (although Ladna performed admirably)<br />Season 7: Doomguy and brother disappear again. Shakal shows us how terrible he is at captaining and quits again. I forgot to mention that in each of the seasons above.<br />Season 8: Denny captains, but then withdraws midseason and fucks up the team. Might have been more, I didn&#039;t play then. <br />Season 9: IMO, the best IDL season we&#039;ve ever had.<br /><br />So, let&#039;s see all that shit happened before I got here. Maybe it&#039;s the [b]players[/b]? I think it might be. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1331, 158, 11, 1262856671, 10, 1331, 'Week 1 Game Times', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Since the website isn&#039;t ready right now, here are the game times for week 1:<br /><br />FLS v SUC - Thursday 11PM EST<br /><br />EBL v DMR - Saturday 11PM EST<br /><br />KGB v SPE - Sunday 7:30PM EST<br /><br />BBC v BSK - Sunday 8:00PM EST<br /><br />Hopefully the main page will be ready soon!', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1395, 161, 11, 1263591766, 35, 1395, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'My prediction is that i&#039;m gonna take that poop and pee then swap it into michaels cock sucking, tea drinking, abercrombie wearing, hipster mouth. Hopefully he chokes and fails to show up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1174, 142, 11, 1258934853, 130, 1174, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.44', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mortalogy link=topic=142.msg1173#msg1173 date=1258886991]<br />sorry i won&#039;t play idl anymore.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />L A M E', 'xx', 1);
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	(1177, 142, 11, 1259042329, 39, 1177, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Mistopher', 'masonridings@yahoo.com', '72.152.33.141', 1, 0, '', 'WTF RUS?!<br />and I&#039;ll ask Oscar.<br />I&#039;ll tell Ralphis when I find out.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1178, 142, 11, 1259301315, 19, 1178, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.243.149', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mistopher link=topic=142.msg1177#msg1177 date=1259042329]<br />WTF RUS?!<br />and I&#039;ll ask Oscar.<br />I&#039;ll tell Ralphis when I find out.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oscar seems to come and go without warning. Would this be wise???', 'xx', 1);
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	(1274, 146, 11, 1260777675, 7, 1274, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.158', 1, 0, '', 'UDP doesn&#039;t use SYN/ACK while making a connection, because UDP is connectionless.&nbsp; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_scanner#UDP_scanning', 'xx', 1);
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	(1236, 144, 11, 1260497378, 2, 1236, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.47.143', 1, 0, '', 'Having seen the franchises, I can tell this is going to be a very tough season, but with a good challenge comes excitement, right?<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Tai: Last season should have given you some good ideas.&nbsp; Last season was moderately successful because cookies gave you pretty solid d and you were pretty good at mid.&nbsp; I don&#039;t have a clue who else was on your team, but you should continue moving in this direction, sorta like star said.&nbsp; I think Jenova would be pretty solid for you on offense, if you pick up somebody like Fastidious or Devastatio[u]N[/u] to lock down your defense so Jenova can plug away.[/li]<br />[li]Xen: Mid is great, any map you feel like you can&#039;t defend on he will be able to, and any map you need a little more offense, he can pop in there too!&nbsp; I hope you don&#039;t rage at him for his sometimes difficult schedule, could doom EBL early on&nbsp; :-\\.&nbsp; I would probably try to lock in some specialized players like Gyrossman or Oath to be some dedicated offense while you and Mid swap on and off d, or just leave Mid on d all season :P[/li]<br />[li]DG: I have heard rumors you will actually show up in time for this season, but I am pretty sure they are just rumors.&nbsp; If you DO show up, you will probably need some running on your team, I have heard my own name mentioned a lot with DMR.&nbsp; I am pretty doubtful you would be able to land Whiteboy on your team, although this could happen if Ladna hates him?&nbsp; Dragan will end up on your team at some point I imagine, perhaps Blair could help DMR with some flexibility issues that might arise.[/li]<br />[li]Ralph: Your season is over!&nbsp; You and nostar are like 2 wet cats in a bag and SUC is gonna blow up and go 0-8.&nbsp; Good thing you quit last season, otherwise you would be the first IDL captain to ever be demoted![/li]<br />[li]Denny: I know denny wants to snag Whiteboy but I doubt this will happen.&nbsp; Perhaps Rottking could land on SPE, breaking his curse forever!!&nbsp; I am not giving you any pointers, you already have the best picks and the best franchise so you should be able to manage yourself and break another infamous curse![/li]<br />[li]Shakal: Get Whiteboy.&nbsp; You are a pretty competent runner and would profit greatly from his addition to your team.&nbsp; If you don&#039;t make some great picks and don&#039;t franchise White, this season could go very poorly for you.[/li]<br />[li]Mantis: I am pretty confident you will try to remake BBC (seems to be the theme with you) and this will probably work ok.&nbsp; I hope you will be the best captain this season, just like I thought you were last season :).[/li]<br />[li]Ladna: If Shakal doesn&#039;t get White you will.&nbsp; Get a great runner and steal nostar&#039;s godly internet to smash SUC to pieces and win yr div.&nbsp; I hope you really make use of the preseason to bulk up your team and come up HUGE opening day.&nbsp; Good Luck![/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />stealing formatz is funzo', 'xx', 1);
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	(1248, 147, 11, 1260580033, 27, 1248, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'CabooseA7X', 'CabooseA7X@hotmail.com', '98.250.179.15', 1, 0, '', 'as I stated, it was a group decision. We all 3 wanted that to happen. Saber and cookies are here, yet you single me out. Why was I the only one singled out? I think before assuming things we need to clarify exactly what all went on. Something like this is frowned upon, but the fact it wasn&#039;t something that was stated in the rules, or never even mentioned, you point fingers at ME and ME only and say I&#039;m doing wrong without ever clarifying the penalties or the consequences. Then for me to not even know this whole thing, i wasn&#039;t even talked to. IMO that&#039;s poorly handling the situation. The least you could do is talk to me and the other players to ensure it doesn&#039;t happen again before you go off &quot;NOPE CANT ATTEND THIS SEASON.&quot; But hey, that&#039;s just my opinion. No where in here am I trying to start shit up, just simply bringing something up :]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6904, 673, 17, 1338066945, 157, 6923, 'is odamex ready for idl competition?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 1338162794, 'HumanBones', 'title ^^^<br /><br /><br />personally? no. I dont think it is. users report many anomalous/goofy/gamebreaking experiences. I know that several people have tried oda and just found it too weird. oda IS fun and good, dont get me wrong, but I just dont think it&#039;s ready for idl competitive levels.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1487, 168, 11, 1265962089, 16, 1487, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.61.110.231', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah I apologize to DMR and thank Blair for his sportmanship.<br /><br />Oh, and where&#039;s Oath?&nbsp; &gt;:(', 'xx', 1);
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	(1188, 144, 11, 1260036659, 10, 1200, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1260240448, 'Ralphis', 'Right now I&#039;m going to analyze and elaborate on what players I think would be good FITS for certain teams. I&#039;ll only choose three players per team, and some players will be used twice. Because of this, I probably won&#039;t touch on a lot of players that will go extremely late in the draft or those I feel are unlikely to be drafted.<br /><br />Note: I&#039;ll probably chip away at this post for a few days, continually updating it. It&#039;s a lot to write in one go.<br /><br />Double Note: This post needs to be changed now due to the captain change between Sabertooth and Shakal<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Spread Eagles[/b][/size]<br />Picks 1 &amp; 9[/center]<br /><br />The Eagles are primed for an explosive season for the first time in forever. For those that don&#039;t know, the Spread Eagles (along with the Berserker Packers) were one of the first teams ever in the IDL, dating back to 2006. Due to the division&#039;s resurrection which occurred at the beginning of the Franchise Era, the Spread Eagles have played a total of three seasons in the IDL.<br /><br />Their record? A staggering 3-20-1 (.146). Nevermind that one of those victories was a 3v2 over the Inaugural season&#039;s Berserker Packers (which SPE lost a round), another over last season&#039;s KGB in another 3v2. The Spread Eagles are the ONLY team of the eight franchises that has not yet had a playoff berth. However, I believe they will be serious contenders for MasterBowl VII this season. A playoff berth is without question. They will win their division and likely get the bye in the playoffs. However, maybe that doesn&#039;t play into their favor historically:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Franchise[/u][/i]: HumanBones. He&#039;s already confirmed. He&#039;s a proven player who has shown that he can be the deciding piece in turning a team around and sending them on a hot streak into the playoffs (see: VGR W2008). He lead the Berserker Packers to the WDC Conference Championship for the past two seasons, despite dropping both games to statistical underdogs. However, this could be the season for this Marino to become an Elway.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]1st Pick[/u][/i]: Mikehail. After multiple seasons in the league, Mikehail finally made it to the playoffs last season and caused some damage along the way. Mikehail smashed the IDL regular season flag capture record with a staggering [b]51 captures[/b]. Compare this to the player with the second most flag caps, Collision, who had 24. Mikehail doubled any other player in the league in not only captures, but was also the only other player to have have an average of over two flag captures per round played (2.684). Mikehail works with Bones and, with the addition of Shadow Ghost to what could essentially be an upgrade from last season&#039;s BSK, would be a solid pick if he&#039;s still available.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]2nd Pick[/u][/i]: Gyrossman. In my opinion, one of the best runners we have in our community, euro or not. Part of last season&#039;s championship Super Chargers. In the event of a player not being able to make a game, Gyrossman can cause some serious problems for unwary defenses given the right coverage schemes.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Flag Steelers[/b][/size]<br />Picks 2 &amp; 10[/center]<br /><br />Last season, the Flag Steelers were in quite a predicament as their captain (me) was basically &quot;incapacitated&quot; for almost the entirety of the regular season. This lead to an interesting series of events in which Ladna took over as captain, the team only obtained one win (by forfeit over the lowly Spread Eagles), and somehow still made a playoff berth (in which they were quickly disposed of by reigning WDC Champions, the Brokeback Cowboys).<br /><br />These unfortunate series of events which occurred last summer however put Ladna into a prime position to make a move during the upcoming season and hopefully lead FLS in their second MasterBowl appearance since the Franchise Era began.<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Franchise[/u][/i]: Nostar. What else do you need to say? He&#039;s dominated the Franchise era. He&#039;s gone to four consecutive Conference Championships, won two consecutive league titles (the only captain to have two championship wins), and could be argued to be the most accomplished IDL captain thus far. He has a mind for the game and, on top of all of this, Ladna and Nostar can play basically sitting next to each other. Nostar would be an essential asset to Ladna and, in my opinion, a critical franchise player.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]1st Pick[/u][/i]: Jenova. This may surprise some, but I believe Jenova has shown to be quite the competent runner in private CTF sessions and would likely complement a defensive Nostar and float happy Ladna. Jenova has not had much success in the IDL in the past, however I believe he&#039;s primed for a breakout season (much like rookie Collision last season). Jenova would be a great fit for the Flag Steelers in what looks to be a strong conference.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]2nd Pick[/u][/i]: Killingblair. Killingblair is returning after a suspension and has been playing with fire in private CTF sessions. He has a solid enough shot that he can pick up coverage defensively and in the middle, and also has the speed neccesary if he had to run. He isn&#039;t a top player in any category, but he is well rounded in all categories and would be a solid addition to any team that needs a great role player.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Doom Raiders[/b][/size]<br />Picks 3 &amp; 11[/center]<br /><br />DoomGuy666 and his Doom Raiders come off a disappointing season where they bypassed the Franchise Tag and picked first. Despite a solid looking roster on paper, the Doom Raiders were only able to muster up a 3-5-0 record, losing to the Killing Browns in week 9 for a playoff spot.<br /><br />With a changing of the guard in DMR&#039;s divisional rival, the Super Chargers, now might be the time for the Doom Raiders to make a run.<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Franchise[/u][/i]: NONE. If the two teams before the Doom Raiders franchise, it&#039;s not in DMR&#039;s best interest to do so. DMR should hold off and get first pick in the live draft and pick up a high caliber level player such as Whiteboy to really beef up their secondary. [/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]1st Pick[/u][/i]: Dragan. I imagine this is nothing less than a done deal. Dragan just finished serving a lengthy suspension and it seems fitting that his re-entry into the league would be under his brother. Dragan is a strong mid level player with a fierce shot and some quickness to boot, and the ease of communication with his captain could either strengthen this team, or tear it apart down the stretch.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]2nd Pick[/u][/i]: RottKing. There has been talk about RottKing&#039;s lack of play recently, and I think that it&#039;s likely that his sparse activity in priv over the past year will directly affect his draft position. RottKing doesn&#039;t appear to be as sharp as he used to be when he played daily, but in the second round he&#039;s a fine pickup to round out a roster. Add this on top of the fact that the last time RottKing was in the playoffs was Summer 2007, with Doomguy on Caveman Syndicate. They made a run to MasterBowl II, ultimately coming up short. However, they were an underdog for the entire playoffs and beat the league&#039;s #1 team in the wildcard round. Perhaps this is the season RottKing can finally shake his infamous curse (four seasons without a playoff berth?! Yikes!). [/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Killing Browns[/b][/size]<br />Picks 4 &amp; 12[/center]<br /><br />What is there to say about the Killing Browns? They&#039;re a team stuck in limbo. They never seem to do bad enough to get the high draft pick the subsequent season, but they never have that special something to take them deep into the playoffs. They&#039;ve barely made it into the playoffs for the past two seasons, both berths which hinged on week 9 victories (or, W2009&#039;s controversial tie), but Tai keeps finding ways to hang on.<br /><br />So the question becomes, what does Tai have to do to put his team over the top and truly make them a contender? The most obvious would be more practice and dedication through the regular season by his entire squad. Past that, he needs to put together some key components to compete with the Electric Bills, as their games (and the division as a whole), has been gritty since the Franchise Era began.<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Franchise[/u][/i]: Shakal. Shakal is a man that has been mired in controversial exits from the league for multiple seasons and, hopefully with his new wired connection, he can repair this image and help himself and Tai return to their 2007 glory days, as champions. Is Shakal still a liability for a roster and, more importantly, is he worth the risk?[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]1st Pick[/u][/i]: Devastation. Keeping up with the risk taking, Tai should consider drafting rookie Devastation. He will likely be available but possesses many of the skills necessary to grow and play either defense, which lets Tai move up to the mid, or to play mid and let Tai play defense. This would give the team a strong shot and likely make them a real threat if they start to click down the stretch. [/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]2nd Pick[/u][/i]: Beast. No secret here. One way or another, Beast is going to end up with the Killing Browns. Hopefully, Tai doesn&#039;t overestimate Beast&#039;s value and can wait until the third round to pick him up. Beast is an efficient player with the SSG and will certainly add more power to an already SSG heavy team. In events where somebody like Devastation might not be able to make it to a game or, in a worst case scenario, doesn&#039;t pan out for the better, Beast can step in and fill that role just fine.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Electric Bills[/b][/size]<br />Picks 5 &amp; 13[/center]<br /><br />The Electric Bills are coming off a strong season where they advanced to the IDC Conference Championship (where they lost to the powerhouse MasterBowl VI winning Super Chargers). Xenaero did a commendable job of taking the pushover Electric Bills of Winter 2009 (1-6-1) and turning them into a team which claimed victories over many strong teams in the league (5-3-0).<br /><br />The Electric Bills did this by grabbing up key offensive players and boasting the most potent offense of the IDC. Xenaero has already franchised Midian (last season&#039;s franchise player, Sabertooth, has moved on to captain of the Berserker Packers), so picking up a top offensive player is going to be key if EBL wants to continue the momentum it built.<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Franchise[/u][/i]: Midian. This is a done deal already. However, I think it might&#039;ve been best for EBL to wait it out and see how the rest of the league reacted to the free agent market, then make a strike for a top runner like Mikehail. However, Midian is a solid player and has gone to a MasterBowl, then two consecutive conference championship games.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]1st Pick[/u][/i]: Oath. Oath achieved success with Xenaero to an extent on the original Flag Steelers roster (Winter 2008). Despite coming off a one-season hiatus, Oath has helped his team progress to the MasterBowl in each of his previous seasons played in the league. It will be important for Oath to be in top playing form to help this team over the top and continue to capitalize on the success that Xenaero achieved with this club last season. [/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]2nd Pick[/u][/i]: Goatface. Proven role player that has been on many historically significant teams, including W2008&#039;s Pak Attack (First team to go undefeated in a regular season). Has a fair amount of speed, a decent shot, and most important he uses his head. He&#039;ll likely slip into the second round, and it will be a steal for any team that can grab him.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Berserker Packers[/b][/size]<br />Picks 6 &amp; 14[/center]<br /><br />After a year, Sabertooth returns to captain in the IDL. Early in the league&#039;s history, Sabertooth progressed to two consecutive Conference Championship games, ultimately coming up short. The Berserker Packers have a hard spot to pick from this season, so their picks will have to be creative and potentially with risk to succeed in what looks to be a difficult division.<br /><br />Sabertooth spent last season playing on the Electric Bills, putting up impressive stats in what could be considered a resurgence for a player who more or less fell off the radar since 2007. Hopefully for the Berserker Packers, Sabertooth is willing to put in the time to continue to get back playing at the level that he was once known for. <br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Franchise[/u][/i]: Fastidious. After a season off, Fastidious is back to show off again. Though he may be rusty as of now, he will only get back into form as the weeks move forward. He&#039;s a safe bet to stick in the middle of a map and be able to cover the runner as well as support the defense.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]1st Pick[/u][/i]: Collision. Collision has been quiet this off season, and this could work out in the Berserker Packers&#039; favor. After all, why change the formula of something that works? Collision and Sabertooth were a dynamic tandem last season for the Electric Bills, putting up 45 flags on the season between them.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]2nd Pick[/u][/i]: Rosebird. She&#039;s english, but she&#039;s got nice track shoes. Despite Rosebird&#039;s ping, she&#039;s got some serious speed which would be useful in the event that Collision or Sabertooth are suffering from some sort of ping issues or something other. She&#039;s reliable and you can usually count on her to put points on the board given enough time.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Brokeback Cowboys[/b][/size]<br />Picks 7 &amp; 15[/center]<br /><br />The Brokeback Cowboys are coming off an absolutely huge season where a one flag deficit decided their loss in MasterBowl VI. However, the Cowboys played with poise when it mattered and it doesn&#039;t make sense to mess with this formula if Mantis-X doesn&#039;t have to.<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Franchise[/u][/i]: ItalianStallion. More or less in stone, which works! Stallion was a critical component in BBC&#039;s run to the championship and he should be expected back on the team. With that said, he&#039;s been sparse lately so hopefully he hasn&#039;t accumulated too much rust, which could put a damper on an attempt by BBC to make it back to the MasterBowl.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]1st Pick[/u][/i]: Metalblack. Again, if he&#039;s available at this point, you&#039;ve got to take him. Last season, he placed towards the top of the league in both Flag Returns per Round (6;6.000) and total Flag Returns (5;96). If Mantis can lock up the same team that was so successful last season, he shouldn&#039;t think twice about doing it.[/li]<br /><br />[li][i][u]2nd Pick[/u][/i]: Strangle. Not the strongest player, but has an effective shot and, given the opportunity, has serious potential to be an important contributor to a team. Also, has met success on Mantis&#039; team in the past (TCM S2008).[/li]<br />[/list]<br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img]<br />[size=6][b]Super Chargers[/b][/size]<br />Picks 8 &amp; 16[/center]<br /><br />The Super Chargers proved to be the uncontested powerhouse of the IDL throughout 2009, recording 0 losses, 2 ties, and a barrel of wins. Did I mention they won two consecutive MasterBowls, completed the only undefeated season from week 1 to the MB, and also hold the franchise era win streak record (13 consecutive wins)?<br /><br />However, it&#039;s a new day for the Super Chargers as I takeover after a pathetic showing last season. What sort of tricks do I have up my sleeve? Can I achieve the same success the Super Chargers had previously without the same personnel?<br /><br />[list]<br />[li][i][u]Warning[/u][/i]: I intend on nullifying some of my suggestions to other teams earlier. Get ready for the pain train.<br />[/list]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=6][b]Free Agents[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />Acolyte<br />Brainthunk<br />Dew<br />Fluffles<br />HeavenWraith<br />Killemall<br />Legion<br />Mistopher<br />Nero<br />Roscoe<br />X-Ray<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1264, 147, 11, 1260649947, 69, 1264, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1259#msg1259 date=1260598996]<br />nostar could not make a new player feel unwelcome if he tried. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1263#msg1263 date=1260649320]<br />Grow some balls or just stick to the port where no balls are necessary. Thanks!<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(5209, 530, 17, 1320624025, 0, 5209, 'Re: Some new official servers are on the way!', 'capodecima', '', '90.179.151.60', 1, 0, '', 'BAM ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1260, 147, 11, 1260600748, 7, 1260, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.1.74', 1, 0, '', 'I would absolutely love for IDL to become huge, but I think there are a couple of main problems with that:<br /><br />[size=4][b]No Support from the ZD Administration[/b][/size]<br /><br />Like none.&nbsp; OK, so there&#039;s a couple of banned guys in IDL, and maybe Ralphis tried to get Kilgore sent to jail.&nbsp; That was so long ago!&nbsp; Let&#039;s all be friends.&nbsp; Put an IDL link on www.zdaemon.org.&nbsp; Un-ban our players.&nbsp;  :D<br /><br />[size=4][b]The Private CTF System Is Awful[/b][/size]<br /><br />PCTF solves a bunch of problems over public CTF, but it really only lets about 8-10 players play at any given time.&nbsp; I know that new players can captain and whatever, but they quickly get the idea that everyone hates it when they captain because they immediately gimp a team.&nbsp; This is true, but there&#039;s no way for players to get better if they don&#039;t play with players better than they are.&nbsp; And right now that&#039;s practically impossible.<br /><br />I don&#039;t think we can change the former problem, but the latter is definitely within our control.&nbsp; I don&#039;t totally hate Ralph&#039;s &quot;after you play you go green&quot; idea, but it basically results in a great game and a rookie game.<br /><br />I think in the meantime we should make an effort to get people interested in watching IDL games, and helping IDL teams practice.&nbsp; And maybe in the off-season we can get the clan scene back and play some scrims (or maybe just pickup games in general).<br /><br />BTW I loved your ESR article Fast.&nbsp; I wish we could get more stuff like that out there.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8623, 853, 25, 1362698731, 4, 8624, 'Re: Season 13 / Winter 2013 Playoffs - Semifinals Round - Discussion and Results', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '50.88.51.175', 1, 1362717858, 'Ten', 'BSK 2-1-1<br /><br />With Naut: SUC 2-0-1<br />Without Naut: SUC 2-1-2', 'xx', 1);
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	(1332, 158, 11, 1262880675, 16, 1332, 'Re: Week 1 Game Times', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.33.196.243', 1, 0, '', 'Look forward to it. : )', 'xx', 1);
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	(1181, 142, 11, 1259949936, 22, 1181, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'fast does a good job of promoting himself', 'xx', 1);
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	(1182, 143, 11, 1259952963, 19, 1182, 'Re: W2010 Free Agents - Trade History', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.243.149', 1, 0, '', 'EBL extends their franchise offer to Midian.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1255, 151, 26, 1260591851, 7, 1255, 'Restriction Added on the IDL Board', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.1.74', 1, 0, '', 'A restriction was added so that the board may not pass any propositions to be enforced retroactively.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8832, 876, 1, 1364849158, 86, 8832, 'Re: HOLA!?', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '71.76.238.161', 1, 0, '', 'No Dewww, it really is me! ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8334, 820, 1, 1360477493, 8, 8334, 'Re: cartels paying IDL players to throw games', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://humanbones.unidoom.org/pics/1343967621026.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1183, 143, 11, 1259959336, 22, 1183, 'Re: W2010 Free Agents - Trade History', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Humanbones, come to me!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6608, 636, 20, 1333270638, 163, 6608, 'Re: Season 11 / Winter 2012 - MASTERBOWL XI - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.50.8.112', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=636.msg6599#msg6599 date=1332839635]<br />[quote author=Mantis-X link=topic=636.msg6597#msg6597 date=1332799981]<br />[quote]I still don&#039;t have a ton of faith in OurHero or Armour so I&#039;ll pick KNF.[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/UnXpI.gif[/img]<br /><br /><br />[/quote]don&#039;t get cocky about that. knf had zero practice coming into that game, our strategy was basically &quot;do things&quot; which surprisingly didn&#039;t do things<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Which was completely KNF&#039;s fault for not seizing the moment and practicing your asses off. I don&#039;t really want to turn this into a shitfest but claiming &quot;not practicing&quot; was the reason you lost, then to me, it&#039;s just as good as being inferior to another team. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1237, 147, 11, 1260498968, 7, 1237, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.236.81', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Shadow_Ghost link=topic=147.msg1230#msg1230 date=1260472089]<br />I may be a big baby but tell me how i started this.<br />P.S. I&#039;d appreciate it if you dont edit my posts, jerks<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Nostar is a faggoooooo.&nbsp; We have known this for a while.&nbsp; I love him even though he beats me.<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=147.msg1231#msg1231 date=1260475819]<br /><br />Likely because there was an inconsistency with the rule in the official rules and the one on the forums. I refer to the official rules when making decisions, not the forum posts. Unlike the season specific rule for W2009 relating to franchises, the new forfeit rule had no explicit language regarding retroactive application. Therefor, there was an inconsistency in the rule found in the [i]official[/i] rules and the one found on the forums. Couple this with the fact that quite a few board members were more or less MIA for a period of time, it isn&#039;t so far fetched that such a snafu could occur. <br /><br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is one of the problems we have to work out, because I&#039;ve always viewed them both as official.&nbsp; For idl.org/rules, I really try to keep season or situation-specific stuff out of them, because no other league has that kind of thing; it&#039;s really unprofessional.&nbsp; However in a lot of cases there are things that need to be explicit, like the forfeit rule being applied retroactively for instance, and I put those things in the forum post.<br /><br />Like you said it was just a breakdown in communication, which is my fault.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1232#msg1232 date=1260479338]<br />Right now based on how Ghost and Ladna feel it seems one of them is going to get screwed from their perspective.&nbsp; If you move Ladna up Ghost is going to be mad, if you keep it as is Ladna is mad.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m actually not at all concerned with my draft pick, and I don&#039;t think Denny is either.&nbsp; He just reacted like anyone would if they found out a week before the draft they don&#039;t actually have 1st pick.&nbsp; My problem is that the IDL administration failed pretty hard and it was looking like it wasn&#039;t going to get fixed.&nbsp; However we&#039;ve worked hard on it and I think we have a reasonably good solution given the circumstances.&nbsp; So everyone calm down :).', 'xx', 1);
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	(1185, 144, 11, 1259971160, 10, 1185, 'Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][b]This thread is intended for Winter 2010 discussion and speculation.[/b][/center]<br /><br />Relevant References:<br />[url=http://wiki.intldoomleague.org/index.php?title=W2010_Draft]Official W2010 Draft Order[/url]<br />[hr]<br />', 'question', 1);
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	(787, 99, 26, 1241593124, 7, 1255, 'Restriction Added on Player Franchising', 'Ladna', 'doomedladna@yahoo.com', '75.167.223.120', 1, 1260591889, 'Ladna', 'The following language was added to the Franchised Players section:<br /><br />Finally, should a franchised player become a captain, they may not franchise their former captain.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8572, 846, 29, 1361926973, 214, 8572, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.23.133', 1, 0, '', 'Posting for Fluffles<br /><br />Name: Fluffles<br />Location: Blackpool, England<br />Contact: #idl<br />Regular Availability: anytime I&#039;m awake<br />Misc: Currently Unemployed', 'xx', 1);
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	(1187, 142, 11, 1259995562, 22, 1187, 'Re: Winter 2010 Invite List', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '64.229.195.9', 1, 0, '', 'dont worry fast i&#039;ll draft you in the third round', 'xx', 1);
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	(1249, 147, 11, 1260584772, 7, 1249, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.1.74', 1, 0, '', 'Hey Cab.<br /><br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1243#msg1243 date=1260546789]<br />Now I can openly admit we ALL 3 agreed to throw the game.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The commissioner and board head make these decisions in concert with the rest of the board.&nbsp; So you can accuse the rest of your team of also throwing the game, and you can even provide logs and things like that, and we&#039;ll decide to act or not.&nbsp; But I think it would be better to do this less publicly.&nbsp; Otherwise it looks a little like, &quot;but mom, he did it too!&quot;<br /><br />[quote]<br />But, can I state that rules were not set at this time?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Did you really think you can take an action that harms the league without repercussions?&nbsp; I just can&#039;t believe that anyone thinks they could throw a game without some kind of response from the administration.&nbsp; And if your best defense was, &quot;it&#039;s not a rule!&quot; then I guess you didn&#039;t plan ahead well enough.&nbsp; I don&#039;t mean to be a dick about it, but we can do whatever we want, and I think that players would rather play in a league where players who throw games are punished.<br /><br />[quote]<br />I wasn&#039;t able to because of this. I think it&#039;s pretty stupid. I can see what was done was wrong, but to only punish me for a GROUP decision, and the fact that (to my belief) there were games thrown?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually I&#039;m really disappointed that you threw a game Caboose.&nbsp; You&#039;re a great runner and a great asset to the league.&nbsp; I&#039;m also really disappointed that you seem to have a habit of not showing up for practices, being unprepared and not showing up between seasons to priv.&nbsp; When the administration deliberates on the invite list, lots and lots of things are taken into consideration, and all of this stuff stacked up against you causing us not to extend an invite.&nbsp; You can say that there&#039;s lots of other players that have done equal or worse things that also got invited, and maybe you&#039;re right, but it doesn&#039;t mean you should have been invited, it just means maybe they shouldn&#039;t have.&nbsp; I would love it if you had more dedication to the IDL and showed it this season and in the off-season.&nbsp; But frankly, I doubt that will happen.<br /><br />[quote]<br />I&#039;m not exactly sure about games thrown before, but it does sound VERY likely to me. Since this was never elaborated on before I get punished? I didn&#039;t even know about my punishment before I came upon this thread.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Games probably have been thrown before.&nbsp; You&#039;re making the points that you didn&#039;t know that throwing games was bad, which I find baseless, and that other people have thrown games so you shouldn&#039;t be singled out.&nbsp; I&#039;m saying that everyone knows throwing games is bad (if they don&#039;t, they&#039;re dumb) and that you should be punished for taking actions that harm the league -- even though we didn&#039;t even punish you in this case!<br /><br />[quote]<br />I&#039;m not on the Illeligable list for an extended (x) amount of time. Because of a simple misunderstanding that was NEVER elaborated about, will I be banned from the IDL in future seasons? Please elaborate more about this, even though this isn&#039;t on topic. I am very curious of this now that I know of this.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />There&#039;s no &quot;ineligible list&quot;, just a list of invited players and suspended players.&nbsp; You are on neither, and I assume if you continue to avoid priv and the overall IDL community you&#039;ll stay off the invite list.<br /><br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1248#msg1248 date=1260580033]<br />as I stated, it was a group decision. We all 3 wanted that to happen. Saber and cookies are here, yet you single me out.&nbsp; Why was I the only one singled out?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />When I watched that game I was spectating you, and I told the administration I thought you threw the game.&nbsp; It&#039;s been a while, but I think that the final flag you&#039;re on the CG platform and you stop moving and turn around while the other team&#039;s runner scores.&nbsp; There were other things in the game that made me think you threw it specifically, in fact, we never really considered the fact that maybe the whole team threw it.&nbsp; I suppose we will at this point, but you were singled out because your actions were quite obvious, at least to me.<br /><br />And for what it&#039;s worth, Saber has volunteered to be a captain numerous times, and is a pretty active pctf player.&nbsp; I think that if we considered the whole team and decided that all three of you threw the game we might not have invited cookies, but Saber has overall been a positive influence on the league.<br /><br />[quote]<br />I think before assuming things we need to clarify exactly what all went on. Something like this is frowned upon, but the fact it wasn&#039;t something that was stated in the rules, or never even mentioned, you point fingers at ME and ME only and say I&#039;m doing wrong without ever clarifying the penalties or the consequences. Then for me to not even know this whole thing, i wasn&#039;t even talked to. IMO that&#039;s poorly handling the situation. The least you could do is talk to me and the other players to ensure it doesn&#039;t happen again before you go off &quot;NOPE CANT ATTEND THIS SEASON.&quot; But hey, that&#039;s just my opinion. No where in here am I trying to start shit up, just simply bringing something up :]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think here it&#039;s worth clarifying that you weren&#039;t &quot;punished&quot;.&nbsp; Receiving an invite each IDL season is by no means guaranteed.&nbsp; Your behavior caused us to not want to invite you, and thus we didn&#039;t.&nbsp; This is the way that the invite-only system is supposed to work, players who are overall harmful for the league aren&#039;t invited, and players who are overall good for the league are.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1244#msg1244 date=1260565135]<br />Personally I think the IDL board as of late has been a bit too penalty happy especially given the community size.&nbsp; People should be given second chances and issues should be discussed and brought to light in the public.&nbsp; It should not be some secret committee holding hearings and deciding players fate without them even knowing about it.&nbsp; Unless players are committing multiple infractions over and over I don&#039;t think banning someone for a season or more is a good idea.&nbsp; The only thing which I think would warrant such harsh measures on a first time basis is aliasing as another player in a match or cheating.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Cheating got Dragan a 2-year suspension.&nbsp; Throwing a game got Caboose nothing.&nbsp; However, combined with his general absence in all things IDL, we decided not to invite him.&nbsp; So no penalty really.<br /><br />When I was interim Commissioner, I suspended both you (Fastidious) and Shakal for the rest of the season so your captains could replace you.&nbsp; But that&#039;s because it was past the trading deadline - and neither of you were playing anyway so no harm there.&nbsp; The board also revoked the retroactivity clause, so I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re talking about penalty happy.&nbsp; We&#039;ve got Dragan, Shakal, and Blair back in the league, cheaters and quitters galore!&nbsp; Second chances (and in some cases 4th chances) abound!<br /><br />And I guess I don&#039;t disagree that things could be more transparent, but I like that board members are currently free to vote however they like without people harassing them individually.&nbsp; I feel like if the community thought we did something unfair we&#039;d hear about it -- sort of like we are now.&nbsp; I agree that if the 3 players on BBC agreed to throw the game we should take that into consideration, but to me that&#039;s new information.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1247#msg1247 date=1260576963]<br />http://wiki.intldoomleague.org/index.php?title=Suspended_Players<br /><br />What&#039;s the point of this?&nbsp; Especially when it is applied unevenly.&nbsp; I notice Ralphis name is not on there yet he had as much absence issues as anyone last season.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually there was some kind of weird misunderstanding about that.&nbsp; I thought that Ralphis withdrew, so I talked with the board about what to do about it.&nbsp; We decided that I would be interim commissioner, and that we would pick up another board member as well.&nbsp; That was... Mantis-X I think.&nbsp; It turns out that Ralphis didn&#039;t withdraw, but when he got online next and we told him, he said it was probably for the best, so he officially withdrew.&nbsp; He held a grudge against me, but I explained I didn&#039;t mean to fuck him over, and now we&#039;re homo again.<br /><br />That&#039;s quite different than the circumstances under which you and Shakal were suspended.&nbsp; In fact I really only did that so your captains could pick up new players.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />And I want to talk about transparency a little.&nbsp; When we&#039;re discussing things, we talk about lots and lots of stuff.&nbsp; If anyone reading this thinks these last 8 or so posts are juicy, let me tell you that we talk about everything.&nbsp; Who&#039;s probably cheating, what captains have been bought, who&#039;s balls at this game, who pisses us off, etc. etc. etc.&nbsp; And I don&#039;t mean to say that we make decisions based on those discussions, but no one would believe me if I said that we NEVER EVER EVER talked about certain players&#039; pasts with cheating before inviting them, or that we don&#039;t review demos and talk about players and how they evolve and what&#039;s possible in Doom.&nbsp; Everyone of these discussions would cause ridiculous forum drama every time, and we probably have one a day.&nbsp; It&#039;s hard enough to have productive discussions with just the 6 of us, I can&#039;t imagine what would happen if people were in our channel all the time, or if we had to constantly worry about what will happen when the community reads this log.&nbsp; I guess this makes it sound even more &quot;secret club&quot;, but honestly I&#039;ve spent a lot of time these last few days on the goddamn forums and on IRC when I&#039;m supposed to be doing a lot of other IDL stuff.&nbsp; I believe the board would be far less effective with more transparency, but I suppose maybe we could try it and see how it works.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8396, 827, 17, 1360880297, 0, 8396, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.16.166.203', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=827.msg8390#msg8390 date=1360874991]how dare you demand gratification? your post started out as a decent &quot;apology&quot;, but this shit? goddamit, you think you actually deserve credit for screwing us over? you&#039;re just weaseling your way out of being a massive bitch.[/quote]<br />If you bothered with reading my post instead of being your usual angry Czech self (lmao), you would&#039;ve noticed I&#039;m not demanding anything at all. I&#039;m just saying things as they happened. Why would I demand respect from a place I&#039;m not frequenting anymore? Haha.<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=827.msg8390#msg8390 date=1360874991]do you see how utterly despicable and low and [b]hilarious[/b] your whining is?<br /><br />oh man, i thought i would just be sarcastic about you being a weakling, but your reasoning is so twisted and underhanded (&quot;reasons I won&#039;t disclose&quot;... FUCK YOU!!!) that yes, you&#039;re done. piss off.<br />[/quote]<br />*shrugs*<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=827.msg8391#msg8391 date=1360875212]If you were 5-0 I doubt you would quit, don&#039;t give me that bs.[/quote]<br />So you base your argument on this? ...This is pretty laughable! Maybe you should take some reading lessons along with Dewww while you&#039;re at it! :o<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=827.msg8391#msg8391 date=1360875212]You shit on Legion for his stupidity, but you pick at bloodstrike at #2 who is known for bailing.&nbsp; Nice one.[/quote]<br />Uh... It was my first season as a captain? I also didn&#039;t know BloodStrike too well. Legion also has been in the league for longer than I have.<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=827.msg8391#msg8391 date=1360875212]Learn to follow up on your commitments.&nbsp; Try not to look at others to finish them.[/quote]<br />I can follow up on my commitments very well. I opted out of this particular commitment because it just ain&#039;t worth it for me.<br /><br />[quote author=Ru5tK1ng link=topic=827.msg8392#msg8392 date=1360875650]Please, if you felt this way from the beginning of this season, you should not have accepted being a board member or even have captained.[/quote]<br />I agree, that&#039;s logical. Which means that my impressions on it really weren&#039;t bad enough at the time.<br /><br />[quote author=Ru5tK1ng link=topic=827.msg8392#msg8392 date=1360875650]Maybe you are just a bad leader?[/quote]<br />It was my first season... I tried as much as I could, so I am offended that you implied otherwise.<br /><br />[quote author=Ru5tK1ng link=topic=827.msg8392#msg8392 date=1360875650]You can rag on tenchu all you want, but you must keep in mind you are ruining your own team by leaving like this.[/quote]<br />If Bones finds a decent enough replacement, I&#039;m sure BSK won&#039;t be ruined.<br /><br />[quote author=Ru5tK1ng link=topic=827.msg8392#msg8392 date=1360875650]So basically you=tenchu. No arguing about it.[/quote]<br />Not to turn this into a Tenchu ragging thread, but I&#039;d have to do this at least three more times while also cheat and ban-evade to be on equal grounds with him. Stop being so mad, Rust. :P<br /><br />[quote author=Jarin_cz link=topic=827.msg8393#msg8393 date=1360876966]<br />I just learned from time when Ten quit IDL dont cares too much. But idk why ppl complicate your situation too much and quit during season. But meh enjoy your retired Soul, i had some good laugh when i played you/with.<br />[/quote]<br />Thanks, Capo. A game&#039;s community can and will affect its enjoyment, always keep that in mind.<br /><br />[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=827.msg8394#msg8394 date=1360877403]Please disclose them.[/quote]<br />No.<br /><br />[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=827.msg8394#msg8394 date=1360877403]I&#039;m not sure what I could have done more to help you out. I made you a captain, made you a board member, saved your team last season by putting Water on it, gave you a wiki account, etc. I&#039;m very curious.[/quote]<br />I am thankful for all of the stuff you&#039;ve done for me, and I&#039;m sorry if I couldn&#039;t return the favor in full! There is nothing else you could&#039;ve done, so you can assume it has nothing to do with our relationship. By the way, I&#039;m fairly sure it was Fastidious who gave me a Wiki account, not you.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1261, 147, 11, 1260613814, 46, 1261, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '67.160.166.116', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ve always wanted to invite a couple of my wolf clan brethren to play, but I&#039;ve always assumed they wouldn&#039;t get picked to play, so I don&#039;t.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1276, 144, 11, 1260849611, 69, 1276, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 0, '', 'Speculative Draft<br /><br />Franchises/Pre 1st Round Picks<br /><br />SPE(Denny)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Bones<br />EBL(Xen)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; - Mid<br />BSK(Shakal)&nbsp; &nbsp;  - Cha0tix<br />BBC(Mantis)&nbsp; &nbsp;  - Stallion<br />SUC(Ralphis)&nbsp; &nbsp; - Nostar<br /><br />[b]FLS(Ladna)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  - Whiteboy567[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I think Whiteboy was trying to hold out for a franchise or maybe to get on SPE but he is too good for Ladna to pass up.&nbsp; Not a bad move for either party.<br /><br />[b]DMR(Doomguy) - Rottking[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Doomguy has been away for a while, and this can only hurt his chances.&nbsp; I think he will end up picking a big UD name like Rott, even though Rott hasn&#039;t been playing much lately.&nbsp; At least he isn&#039;t inactive, he posts odd youtube videos in IRC all day.<br /><br />[b]KGB(Tai)&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  - Collision[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Collision is in R(I think) and Tai has been playing more scrims with them than priv.&nbsp; Collision is a great fragger and added with Tai they&#039;ll just need some offense.<br /><br />Round 1<br /><br />[b]SPE - Mikehail[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Denny and Bones are a great team already, which would be complete with an offensive player like mike or oath.<br /><br />[b]FLS - METALBLACK[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  MB is kind of an X Factor, he doesn&#039;t show up much preseason but when it starts he is solid.&nbsp; Whether this will continue is unknown but combined with Ladna and Whiteboy, he would make FLS a great team.<br /><br />[b]DMR - Oath[/b]&nbsp;  Again I think DG is going to end up picking players he knows, and oath is a great runner which could provide some offense to frag heavy DG and Rott.<br /><br />[b]KGB - Killingblair[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  Killingblair has had an interesting IDL history.&nbsp; Starting in season 1 he joined Strickland Propane and [s]led them to fame and glory[/s] helped them win one match against the Spread Eagles and a 3v2 against Team Discovery Channel.&nbsp; After that it&#039;s a mixed bag and we&#039;ll see if how he does this season.&nbsp; Also he would be a good offensive addition to Tai&#039;s team.<br /><br />[b]EBL - Jenova[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  Sources tell me Xen and Jen don&#039;t always see eye to eye.&nbsp; But DD has never been known to be petty.&nbsp; He&#039;ll pick Jenova for some offensive power to add to the defensive lineup of Xen and Mid.<br /><br />[b]BSK - Fastidious[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  Before cha0tix entered the picture, I thought Shakal was going to franchise Whiteboy and then pick up Fast for a Season 5 DMR reunion.&nbsp; Now I don&#039;t know, but Fast, despite his issues, is a solid fragger and smart player.<br /><br />[b]BBC - Gyross[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  Common pattern seems to be teams needing offense, and this is no exception.&nbsp; Mantis and Stallion are great fraggers, a sneaky runner like Gyross would be a nice addition.&nbsp; He&#039;s European, but hey, nobody&#039;s perfect.<br /><br />[b]SUC - Devastation[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; I can&#039;t help but shake the feeling that Nostar has been grooming Devastation to be the most underrated CTF player ever.&nbsp; More likely he won&#039;t get picked but I wasn&#039;t sure where to put him/whom to put here.&nbsp; DooMGod status questionable, but he&#039;s a great placeholder.<br /><br /><br />Round 2-&nbsp; If the draft order goes as I have it up to this point that would be incredible, but more likely it will be way different. Round 2 is going to be a mixture of who&#039;s available, what captains like which players and who needs a good reserve.&nbsp; Most of these players are in interchangeable positions.<br /><br />[b]SPE - Goatface[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  I&#039;m the best ever but for some reason all these people will get picked before me.<br /><br />[b]FLS - Nero[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Coming off of a spotty at best season as captain of the Spread Eagles, Nero re-enters the league and hopes to build some credibility in the IDL.&nbsp; He&#039;s a solid player but ping/time difference could be an issue.&nbsp; An FLS team of Ladna, Whiteboy and METALBLACK is pretty versatile, and Nero is another well rounded player who could finish out the lineup.<br /><br />[b]DMR - Dragan[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  Dragan and DG are brothers, so I suspect this is where Dragan will end up.&nbsp; Doomguy, Rottking, Oath and Dragan sounds pretty formidable, though in practice it could be something very different.<br /><br />[b]KGB - Beast[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  Beast may not be the biggest fan of grammar, but he&#039;s a solid player and he and Tai have a good history together.&nbsp; Pretty positive this is where he&#039;ll end up.<br /><br />[b]EBL - Dewww[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; IDK, Dewww is a decent runner and if Jenova doesn&#039;t pan out, could provide some offensive talent for EBL.<br /><br />[b]BSK - Rosebird[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  Shak and Cha0 both work well with Rose, so I suspect Shak will try and get her.&nbsp; She&#039;s pretty good but again, euros are at a disadvantage.<br /><br />[b]BBC - Acolyte[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Acolyte is not the greatest player, but in my experience he&#039;s dedicated and he learns fairly quickly.&nbsp; Tell him what to do and he&#039;ll do it.&nbsp; A good addition to any team but I see him going late in the draft.<br /><br />[b]SUC - Roscoe[/b]&nbsp; &nbsp;  Ralphis likes to pick new players every season, so far he has Nostar but hey, maybe he&#039;ll want a completely different lineup.&nbsp; Roscoe has shown great improvements and he&#039;s a stand-up guy, though attendance could be an issue.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1250, 147, 11, 1260585785, 130, 1250, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.190.86', 1, 1260586187, 'nostar', 'I want to highlight that Caboose isn&#039;t banned from IDL, he&#039;s not suspended or penalized. He is however a fag and he quits teams, doesn&#039;t show up and isn&#039;t that good. I don&#039;t think you threw the game. I think you suck and should maybe stick to skulltag.<br /><br />So if you do want to play in IDL, feel free to drop by the priv server and show what your rusty skulltag-playing ass can still do. Because the last time I played you, you lost by a lot and looked like a drunk monkey, Legion.<br /><br />As for transparency, fuck it. The IDL Board is dumb and I can&#039;t begin to explain their logic on a lot of the recent decisions and current ones. I will say though that I&#039;m considering not playing next season because of the way this league is being handled. The board isn&#039;t making decisions to benefit it&#039;s player-base and I&#039;m pretty done supporting it.<br /><br />I am glad Fast is back tho. We need editorial input in a big way. Fast how would u feel about making a second board and usurping some power. I bet I can lure Ladna and miek, and since Ladna does all the work they&#039;ll have to submit to demands. It&#039;s airtight!<br /><br />bam', 'xx', 1);
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	(1256, 147, 11, 1260596754, 130, 1256, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '99.57.1.74', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=147.msg1252#msg1252 date=1260589380]<br />We now have top players and people that carry clout that, instead of encouraging new players to join our community, berate new players in priv, refuse to let them play, ban them, and humiliate them in front of everybody they possibly can. <br /><br />These types of attitudes are not helpful when you&#039;re trying to bring new players in. You can say they need to get thicker skin, but if you&#039;re one of the people doing this, maybe you just need to [i]stop being an asshole[/i].&nbsp; <br />[/quote]<br /><br />I feel like you&#039;re trying to single someone out here.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1263, 147, 11, 1260649320, 130, 1263, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 1260649526, 'nostar', '[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1262#msg1262 date=1260642733]<br />Why did I quit your team Nostar? Maybe because we had a Perfectly fit team, and your whole philosophy for each and every season was to get Chewy and JKist, hell rules were even made just so YOU could do this. I don&#039;t understand why we need to stack clans on IDL, I disagree with it. I found my experinces in IDL to be most fun when I was with a group of random players, and you dropping kandy for chewy, that did get me off. But I also had other things to do, you just pushed me with the whole trading deal. and I do play both ports, not one specifically.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Okay so originally my phiosophy in IDL is to get on a team with people I can stand and then win as much as I can. I am extremely good at it. And while I realize that you have little girl feelings, that doesn&#039;t make you any less of a quitting fag.<br /><br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1262#msg1262 date=1260642733]<br />Are you referring to a 1v1? the last time I even recall playing you in a 1v1, I was fucking around on my laptop? lol?<br />I&#039;m sorry that each and every game (that&#039;s not accounted) I don&#039;t try 100% as you do star &lt;/3<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I was really just making that up. I don&#039;t remember the last time I played you because you don&#039;t really play this game anymore, and thusly didn&#039;t not receive an invite to IDL. Same reason we didn&#039;t invite Kandy or Whopper or Bloodstrike. They don&#039;t play anymore. The that you [admittedly] threw a game didn&#039;t help your case for sure.<br /><br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1262#msg1262 date=1260642733]<br />I&#039;m also sorry that you have such harsh feelings for me!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually I kinda of like you. Despite all the shit I talk I&#039;ve found you to be a good player. You&#039;re epically dumb and need about 6 more years of school before I could stand hanging out with you, but doom-wise you&#039;re a worthwhile scroob. I do think you take this a little too serious though. A lot of R people did for some reason. I know NS rocked people pretty hard, but afterward we&#039;d go rocket each other in map01. We never had recruitment sub-clans or a Chaos Core. So don&#039;t talk to me about taking this too seriously. I&#039;m just jerking ur chain because it&#039;s fun.<br /><br />[quote author=CabooseA7X link=topic=147.msg1262#msg1262 date=1260642733]<br />Look at the demos Nostar, notice that Cookies will say something about throwing the game. :]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />For the record, I believe you all threw that game. And frankly I don&#039;t care. None of you had any chance at winning IDL that season anyway, Tai, Saber, whose ever team Donut was on. It was just a squabble between suckers imo.<br /><br />And while I am a little sad you won&#039;t be in IDL, I think that is your fault. You&#039;re inactive and whiny. Grow some balls or just stick to the port where no balls are necessary. Thanks!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1334, 159, 12, 1262892983, 10, 1968, 'IDL Site Bug Reports', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1277254144, 'Ladna', 'Please report any issues with the IDL site [url=http://bitbucket.org/charlie/idl.org/issues]here[/url].', 'lamp', 1);
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	(6291, 614, 20, 1330130761, 75, 6291, 'Re: Week 8 (FEB 20 - FEB 26) : ZDCTF09 (MAP09) - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'dude, i&#039;m so sorry, i didn&#039;t realize you were the fucking jewish nation when it comes to idl, getting hurt and wronged from the whole world. you know what? i don&#039;t care if you call practice at 5am my time, two hours before i leave for work. it&#039;s not like you want to use me anyways, your nihilistic attitude when having to play with xyl and me was all i needed to understand what you were thinking about us. i&#039;m so sorry you have to drag our sorry FA-worth asses with your brilliant excellency, your highness. maybe if we practiced a round or two in that particular lineup, you&#039;d come to your senses and realize 2D+euro runner is a fucking retarded thing to do, especially when i know the map well enough to play d/mid. but maybe i&#039;m just naive with my expectations of other people&#039;s understanding of this simple game.<br /><br />xen, you have to realize something. i play this game with a huge latency penalty, your fucking PL problems are nothing compared to my TT woes... so when you start treating me like a pub scrub and ignore the fact that i&#039;m way smarter than you at this game, it&#039;s hard for me to accept you as a teammate.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1190, 144, 11, 1260080940, 17, 1190, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '24.15.219.212', 1, 1260081486, 'MionicDonut', 'Oh gee, DMR has third pick now.&nbsp; <br /><br />[img]http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/8388/trollfacehdx.jpg[/img]<br />I wonder why that is?<br /><br />But seriously, if that rule is in affect, why isnt SPE dropped a slot too?&nbsp; they forfeited a match somewhere in the middle of last year did they not?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1191, 144, 11, 1260082828, 10, 1191, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Forfeits were not taken into consideration because it was decided that the forfeit rule should not be enforced retroactively. Any forfeits this season will have that rule applied to them however.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1192, 144, 11, 1260116466, 130, 1192, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=MionicDonut link=topic=144.msg1190#msg1190 date=1260080940]<br />Oh gee, DMR has third pick now.&nbsp; <br />[gay image]<br />But seriously, if that rule is in affect, why isnt SPE dropped a slot too?&nbsp; they forfeited a match somewhere in the middle of last year did they not?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />**effect<br /><br />In my more fiery days I would just remove your post, delete you as a member and forget you ever existed. However, recently I&#039;ve come to enjoy your brand of impotent wisdom. Those moments when you pop in to say something snide and less than clever. It makes me realize where you fit into our community, and that makes me smile a little.<br /><br />I will say this though. Every now and again you should post something remotely worthwhile, predictions or something at least. Under no circumstances should you ever try to employ your sense of humor. It&#039;s really just terrible. <br /><br />I look forward to a lengthy post from you in the future!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1194, 144, 11, 1260137111, 130, 1194, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'Who runs Canadian Bacon?', 'xx', 1);
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	(6609, 639, 21, 1333295780, 2263, 6609, 'Re: IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'Slyfox', 'www.mattman3000live.com@live.com', '75.141.115.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote]<br />Name: Slyfox<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: inb4profiles@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: IRC #A3 Quakenet<br />Regular Availability: Mainly Everyday After School and sometimes practice [Early to late evening]<br />[/quote]<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1196, 145, 11, 1260157196, 69, 1196, 'Stat Tracker', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 0, '', 'Where can I download the stat tracking program? I have asked in IRC but no luck.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1197, 145, 11, 1260177487, 10, 1197, 'Re: Stat Tracker', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'The one created by revstar that reads log files? If so, I believe Fastidious has it', 'xx', 1);
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	(1198, 145, 11, 1260219425, 130, 1198, 'Re: Stat Tracker', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'http://files.noctifer.net/DoomStats/<br /><br />for usage: http://forums.zdaemon.org/viewtopic.php?t=12259&amp;highlight=<br /><br />SMOOCH!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7057, 684, 22, 1340167991, 267, 7057, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.135.147.215', 1, 1340168428, 'RecKle$$_', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=684.msg7013#msg7013 date=1339872704]<br />[u][B]Killing Browns[/B] - [I]Tai, Rosking, Demonsphere, Shogun[/I][/u]<br /><br />CHAMPIONSHIP! : )<br />[/quote]<br /><br />if ros and ds show up this team will be a bomb, if he doesn&#039;t tai is doomed since he got a really shitty third pick.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1239, 144, 11, 1260511082, 19, 1239, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.41', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=144.msg1236#msg1236 date=1260497378]I hope you don&#039;t rage at him for his sometimes difficult schedule, could doom EBL early on&nbsp; :-\\<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You wanna see a tough schedule? Shoulda seen the teeth I had to pull when organizing games around Saber. Jeezus.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2885, 313, 14, 1290047892, 15, 2885, 'Re: IDL Winter 2011 Signups Open', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.89.132', 1, 0, '', 'I like this.&nbsp; A lot of new people signing up.&nbsp; Now if we can get our veteran players to stick around, we&#039;ll be in good shape for the new season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8573, 846, 29, 1361933085, 2899, 8573, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament', 'bless_', 'callystor1@gmail.com', '24.181.70.63', 1, 0, '', 'Name: bless_<br />Location: Atlanta, GA<br />Contact: #idl #zdunder #odamex<br />Regular Availability: After 6pm (east)<br />Misc: S!ngl3 @nD l00k!nG', 'xx', 1);
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	(6905, 673, 17, 1338067209, 38, 6905, 'Re: is odamex ready for idl competition?', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.72.110', 1, 0, '', 'i&#039;m gonna agree with legion&nbsp; been seeing a delay in shots from this so called unlagged which i assume is to accommodate for higher ping players yet seeing it when no high ping players are playing just doesn&#039;t add up ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1240, 147, 11, 1260513655, 7, 1240, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.236.81', 1, 0, '', 'OK the board voted on it, and we voted in favor of revoking the retroactivity clause.&nbsp; So the draft order has been changed from:<br /><br />FLS<br />SPE<br />DMR<br />...<br /><br />To:<br /><br />SPE<br />FLS<br />DMR<br />...', 'xx', 1);
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	(1277, 152, 3, 1260849758, 69, 1277, 'SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 0, '', 'How the hell do you pronounce the word &quot;priv?&quot;&nbsp; To me it rhymes with &quot;shiv,&quot; but I know some people rhyme it with &quot;jive.&quot;', 'xx', 1);
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	(1291, 141, 11, 1260955402, 155, 1291, 'Re: ALERT: OFFICIAL W2010 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'Doom Nukem', 'duelexpert@yahoo.com', '99.137.81.218', 1, 0, '', 'Anyway you can stream the matches live?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1397, 161, 11, 1263692260, 19, 1397, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', 'Man all of my predictions are completely wrong so far.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1201, 144, 11, 1260241948, 10, 1201, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Sabertooth has stepped down as captain of the Berserker Packers and Shakal has stepped into his role, so I&#039;ll have to modify my post a bit shortly.<br /><br />Also, the board had an emergency session on the retroactive application of the forfeit rule and it was decided that the draft order set for this season will remain and that the forfeit rule will be applied to future drafts.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1398, 161, 11, 1263712447, 16, 1398, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.30.124.108', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Whiteboy567 link=topic=161.msg1395#msg1395 date=1263591766]<br />My prediction is that i&#039;m gonna take that poop and pee then swap it into michaels cock sucking, tea drinking, abercrombie wearing, hipster mouth. Hopefully he chokes and fails to show up.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Cool story dood. 8 )<br /><br />You want die with that?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1207, 146, 11, 1260312661, 7, 1207, 'Networking in Windows', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.50.229.58', 1, 0, '', 'I know there have been a lot of complaints about TT lately, and Nostar &amp; I are looking into that.&nbsp; In the meantime, I found this article about adjusting some networking settings in Windows that may make things a lot better, specifically for gaming.<br /><br />http://www.speedguide.net/read_articles.php?id=158<br /><br />Specifically the stuff about Nagle&#039;s algorithm is really relevant, because ZDaemon&#039;s packets are exceptionally small (we&#039;re talking about like, bytes at a time, certainly not kilobytes) - and normally your OS wants to stick small packets together in a bundle... which of course raises your latency like wow!<br /><br />I was getting pretty brutal packet loss (like 40% or something) until I installed this software called Traffic Shaper XP.&nbsp; Basically I have a 6Mbit/768Kbit connection, but AT&amp;T just overrated my line - it&#039;s really more like 3Mbit/512Kbit.&nbsp; The problem is that all the UDP networking stacks along the way are assuming they have a huge pipe to shoot data down, so they use it.&nbsp; Of course, the pipe itself just leaks packets like shit.&nbsp; So I limited my bandwidth using that software and I don&#039;t have any problems anymore (like 0% packet loss).<br /><br />The tradeoff is that my connection speed is lower.&nbsp; I discovered I don&#039;t really care if downloads take twice as long - I rarely maxed out my 6Mbit download anyway.&nbsp; I imagine not everyone is willing to make that trade though.<br /><br />Anyway, happy tweaking, and good luck!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1202, 147, 11, 1260254980, 130, 1202, 'Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'The forfeit change thing is really retarded. I mean I know bones and denny are on the board but cmon. Try your best to seem like you&#039;re not just being selfish dicks and let Ladna have first pick. Nero threw a game and his team was docked. He quit because he&#039;s a girl and now SPE has 2nd pick. The language in the ruling was retroactive, and now suddenly we&#039;re deciding to change it because 2/5 board members might get a better pick. HUR! Oh yes, Denny needs a better pick than Ladna anyway. Do as you like I suppose but this reeks of dumbness and fix.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1203, 147, 11, 1260300110, 22, 1203, 'Draft Order Change', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Actually nostar, i dont save logs but ask ralphis, bones went through the logs and all evidence showed that it was voted that the rule wouldn&#039;t be retroactive. ALSO this might be a bit of a shocker to you buddy but the logs also showed that Ladna himself was against making it retroactive at the time too, ouch.<br /><br />P.S. there was no re-vote, it was purely off the logs, you need to calm down and know what happened before pointing fingers', 'xx', 1);
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	(1204, 147, 11, 1260300775, 130, 1204, 'Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'Not only am I pointing the finger, I&#039;m pointing other things too. I don&#039;t care what you corrupt fucks do. You suck and smell like butt!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2524, 273, 1, 1284255580, 137, 2524, 'Re: International Quitters League', 'Collision_', 'zdcollision@gmail.com', '99.239.162.46', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv78/Sinsei55/HatersGonnaHatePanda.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2551, 284, 1, 1284318358, 158, 2551, 'Re: Revised Forum Permissions', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.148.59', 1, 0, '', 'FREE STFANMAN', 'xx', 1);
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	(6292, 617, 20, 1330133033, 75, 6292, 'Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'FUCK map32 and its original texture set. i&#039;m not playing even if the fate of my team is in risk. my eyes are just too precious to stare into that horrible mess for 20+ minutes minimum.<br /><br />signed yours truly,<br />the only board member that opposed the idea to use the original textures.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7058, 684, 22, 1340170106, 163, 7058, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '108.73.173.219', 1, 0, '', '[b]Killing Browns (KGB)<br />Tai, Caboose, DemonSphere, Shogun[/b]<br /><br />This team doesn&#039;t seem too bad. The sad part is, in terms of on-paper, this is probably the worst team in the IDC compared to the other 3 teams. Caboose is a solid player, capable of playing just about every position. Tai falls in a similar place. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t know much about DemonSphere or Shogun. I doubt they&#039;re too great, else-wise I&#039;d have heard about it. Sadly, I don&#039;t think this team is going to do so hot given the competition it has to face.<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers (SUC)<br />Ralphis, LordBritish, Reckless, dewww[/b]<br /><br />After having a fairly one-dimensional (Ralph has to do it all) team last season, Ralph gets a line-up he prefers this time around. It screams versatility, which is typically the staple of all Ralphis built teams. Ralph is one of the few players left in the world who can truly play every position without missing a beat. LB will obviously run but even he&#039;s capable of adapting to the mid/floating role if they decide to place dewww in. Reck gives them a little bit more fragging power, dewww gives them a more finesse team. Either way, a strong team. Should be interesting to see how this team does against .WAD. <br /><br />[b]We&#039;re All Doomed (WAD)<br />ItalianStallion, Sabertooth, Nosturi, Shane[/b]<br /><br />Same as Ralph&#039;s team, this team possesses versatility with the ability to swap Shane for Nosturi to give them a strong fragging team. However, it&#039;s still mostly a frag-heavy team regardless but it also screams balance given that Saber plays the mid/float role damn near perfectly. The fact that this team faces SUC twice will be awesome. I look forward to those bouts. <br /><br />[b]Mass Destruction (MAD)<br />Doomguy666, Climhazzard, Xyltol, Mobius[/b]<br /><br />Not too crazy about this team. Like most people, I predicted DG would draft Tony, which I don&#039;t think was a bad selection. Sadly, he drafted his brother again knowing he probably could have gotten a better player at that draft spot. It is definitely admirable loyalty to his brother but at some point, Xyltol either has to get a lot better or DG needs to consider drafting someone else. Not to hate on Xyltol, I&#039;ve come to like the kid and think he does do his best to improve. But I just don&#039;t see it working. <br /><br />[b]Sexual Panthers (SXP)<br />HumanBones, RustInPeace, Legion, JCDenton[/b]<br /><br />IDL Conspiracy #452: Bones drafts Kal_foxis before it&#039;s publicly revealed that JCDenton = Kal_Foxis!!!! Now Bones has him and we don&#039;t. This is why the IDL fucking sucks dick and will never be taken seriously as a competitive league. God dammit Bones, you&#039;re a piece of shit Commish and an even worse player. <br /><br />That said, this team looks good. I think Legion has definitely taken advantage of a more stable netcode in Odamex an has been on a tear. Whether or not that was just dumb luck against unorganized team or a sign of things to come remains to be seen. Rust and Bones are really good players. Long-term veterans who know how to get it done. But nobody denies that the destination of this team will ultimately come down to how well (or poorly) Legion plays. <br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys (BBC)<br />ThatsJustPrime, X-Ray, Fluffles, Killforce[/b]<br /><br />Love this team. It is so friggin&#039; frag heavy that I just smile when I think about it. X-Ray is one of the most underrated players in the league and if what&#039;s being said about Fluffles latest rampage is true, this team is likely the favorite to emerge from the WDC once again. If that holds true, the only question remaining is if this team can get over that last hump and claim the trophy. <br /><br />[b]Berserker Packers (BSK)<br />Soulsucka, Bloodstrike, HeX_Vulture, GaX[/b]<br /><br />Soulsucka, Brazilian..makes me think...BR?<br />Mordekaiser es numbero uno huehuehuehuehue<br /><br />Had to do it. League of Legend guys will appreciate this. But this team is okish. I love Blood and Soul but Hex/GaX have to play out of this world for this team to have a chance. Fortunately for them, MAD looks a little weak and they could have a chance to catch the final play-off spot and try to make some noise then. This is a team that has the potential to be good but it will require a lot of practice. Either this team bombs because they don&#039;t practice or they turn into a team nobody wants to see down the road and can pull off an upset in the post-season.&nbsp; &nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6906, 673, 17, 1338067357, 36, 6906, 'Re: is odamex ready for idl competition?', 'HeX', 'mdvulture@yahoo.com', '75.9.211.147', 1, 0, '', 'The reason why Odamex was not IDL ready the first time:<br /><br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=622.msg6370#msg6370<br /><br />Most of these are fixed. What exactly is the problem?', 'xx', 1);
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	(1435, 162, 11, 1264104640, 49, 1435, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=162.msg1414#msg1414 date=1263933248][i]BSK 2-[b]1[/b][/i][/quote]!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7588, 716, 17, 1348371391, 2313, 7588, 'Re: SECOND SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'nub_hat', 'mikaelhhome@yahoo.dk', '80.161.38.168', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.mediafire.com/?i4n48e97bcknud9<br />Made the first map a little shorter and removed the teleport route entirely<br />Removed the health on the pillars on the second map as it was confusing<br />Added a third map, a few different ways to the flag and small pillars in the mid<br />Some map names for these<br />MAP01 - Train Station<br />MAP02 - Winter Vacation<br />MAP03 - Underground Cave', 'xx', 1);
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	(8397, 827, 17, 1360880549, 8, 8397, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '72.37.244.76', 1, 0, '', '&quot;No&quot; means you don&#039;t have a real reason. Cool beans.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8852, 870, 17, 1365160927, 145, 8852, 'Re: ThatsJustPrime is New Board Member', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '2.127.217.113', 1, 0, '', 'I wouldn&#039;t mind if R was the majority of admins here anyway they are sound. R FU UD mix is nice. n grats prime', 'xx', 1);
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	(1205, 147, 11, 1260303044, 10, 1205, 'Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Nostar, the board did not revote on the rule. I had to make a decision on what the rule actually was and how to enforce it.<br /><br />After evaluating a variety of logs, it was determined that retroactivity was never decided to be part of the rule and that the rule posted to the forums was purely a miscommunication.<br /><br />Nobody on the board revoted on the issue because there was no need to.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1209, 147, 11, 1260316896, 7, 1209, 'Draft Order Change', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.50.229.58', 1, 0, '', 'As a general rule I believe board business is board business, and I also realize that trying me trying to say something is probably a bad idea.&nbsp; But here we go anyway.<br /><br />[quote author=Shadow_Ghost link=topic=144.msg1203#msg1203 date=1260300110]<br />Actually nostar, i dont save logs but ask ralphis, bones went through the logs and all evidence showed that it was voted that the rule wouldn&#039;t be retroactive. ALSO this might be a bit of a shocker to you buddy but the logs also showed that Ladna himself was against making it retroactive at the time too, ouch.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Nostar&#039;s point is that there&#039;s no reason for you or Bones to be in favor of retroactivity, so Bones showing up with &quot;logs&quot; isn&#039;t that convincing.&nbsp; I love Bones and I&#039;m definitely not trying to call him a liar or anything, but even I have trouble with him not having internet, being on the benefiting team, and telling us via proxy what the logs say.&nbsp; Coupled with the fact that I 100% don&#039;t remember talking about how retroactivity is &quot;unfair&quot;, I am extremely interested in seeing the actual logs.&nbsp; Of course, normally I keep logs of everything, but I recently reformatted destroying everything.&nbsp; Curses!<br /><br />We voted on the issue originally in August, and apparently I stated retroactivity was &quot;unfair&quot; in September.&nbsp; And we didn&#039;t even know Nero was quitting until... October I think?&nbsp; I remember debating keeping him on as captain in that month at least.&nbsp; Now maybe I&#039;ll get myself in trouble here, but I think the only thing that&#039;s &quot;unfair&quot; about retroactive anything is that the person being punished did something they didn&#039;t know they&#039;d be punished for.&nbsp; In this case I think it&#039;s fair, because he gamed the system and we shouldn&#039;t allow that.&nbsp; Even though there&#039;s no explicit rule about it, I think it&#039;s pretty well known that the IDL Administration takes a dim view of throwing games (Caboose not being invited this season is evidence), and I would hope that no captain would consider it a viable strategy - or at least if they did they wouldn&#039;t think it was something they should be open about.&nbsp; So I don&#039;t even think I would call our punishment of SPE &quot;unfair&quot;, because Nero should&#039;ve known that throwing games would get him into trouble.<br /><br />And while we were discussing this (briefly, I might add), you made the point that it&#039;s unfair that you be punished for Nero&#039;s actions, and if anything we should punish you for anything DMR did (note for those of you reading: DMR didn&#039;t do anything, it&#039;s just an example).&nbsp; That&#039;s even more unfair - what if your captain throws games or cheats and you decide to captain a different team.&nbsp; Should we punish you based on the actions of your captain?&nbsp; Teams are separate entities from players - that&#039;s why the man-advantage rule applies to teams (you can&#039;t substitute a non-offending player to make up for the lost man), and in this case it&#039;s most appropriate because SPE was getting the advantage from throwing games no matter who its captain was.&nbsp; You can say you&#039;re faultless, and you are!&nbsp; But that doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re entitled to an advantage unfairly obtained by the previous captain.<br /><br />And just so everyone knows, when we were talking about re-voting the issue Denny volunteered to have SPE (him and Bones) sit out, which was a huge gesture on his part.&nbsp; Of course the board can&#039;t do this, 3 of us are captains and so is Ralphis, so we&#039;d never get anything done.&nbsp; Still, I think that should be noted.<br /><br />Furthermore, the main reason I agreed to be captain was that I would have 1st pick.&nbsp; Ralphis and Bones and I all talked about how FLS had first pick because SPE forfeited (this was August 20th or so), so I feel at least a little mislead.&nbsp; I&#039;m not gonna Blair or anything, but you can see how this screws me - and thus why I want to see the logs.<br /><br />And I&#039;d like to say that as head of the board, I&#039;m a little irritated about being second-guessed.&nbsp; When I post rule changes to the forums, I don&#039;t take liberties.&nbsp; When we vote on things, I put the wording that I&#039;m going to use in IRC - and if I change it, I let everyone know that I posted it and that they should look at it to make sure we&#039;re square.&nbsp; I go way out of my way to be fair about everything, and while I&#039;m certainly not perfect, I get the feeling that people think I just threw in retroactivity so I could get first pick.&nbsp; I wasn&#039;t even thinking about captaining when we voted on that rule, I got divorced, moved 400 miles from where I used to live, and went back to school all pretty much that summer, so there were some other things on my mind at the time.<br /><br />Board members are frequently surprised about the rules we vote on.&nbsp; You guys were surprised that Doomguy could not franchise someone and get an early pick - even though we explicitly discussed what would happen if captains couldn&#039;t get anyone to franchise with them.&nbsp; You guys didn&#039;t know that captains were dismissed after 2 [b]consecutive[/b] seasons of missing playoffs - which is explicitly in the rules!&nbsp; None of this stuff is ever secret, when we vote on things I use the wording, I update the rules in idl.org and then I make a forum post about it.&nbsp; Having a vote in August, and then disputing it in December - a few days before the draft no less - is really just a total failure.&nbsp; It&#039;s at least unfair to the people who plan based on the current rules, and we should do better than this if we want players to stick around... let alone captain.<br /><br />Which brings me to this point.&nbsp; If I weren&#039;t on the board, and I hadn&#039;t put a bunch of time and money into IDL, I would have resigned as captain over this.&nbsp; Ralphis did a good job of summing up the issue up to now, and I totally agree that this is the way things are as of this moment (although again, I would really, really like to see the actual logs), but I still feel pretty fucked over.&nbsp; A captain who&#039;s about 1000% better than me with arguably the best franchise player is going to get to pick before me because the former captain threw a game.&nbsp; There&#039;s nothing right about that at all, and the board exists to prevent stuff like this from happening, not to hide behind rules and say, &quot;well, that&#039;s the way IDL is.&quot;&nbsp; IDL is what we make it, and in my opinion if there&#039;s something we can do to make the league better and more fun, it&#039;s the board&#039;s responsibility to do it.<br /><br />Unfortunately now it&#039;s too late.&nbsp; When I brought up the issue of Nero forfeiting, we operated under the idea that Nero was going to be captain again (or if he quit, we wouldn&#039;t know the new captain) - so our decision could be reasonably free of influence... as much as the board gets anyway.&nbsp; Now we all know who the captains are, and all the favoritism and self-interest make it impossible to really discuss this fairly at all.&nbsp; And it turns out I&#039;m the only advocate for my position (besides Nostar evidently) - which is pretty shitty to be honest - so how would anybody believe I&#039;m trying to argue for fairness and not for first pick?&nbsp; I realized this and so I&#039;m going along with what the board decides, but I&#039;m 100% not alright with it.<br /><br />Both of these things combine into a real problem for IDL right now.&nbsp; We apparently really need to address the issue of great players taking over shitty teams (with a great pick), and shitty players taking over great teams (with a shitty pick).&nbsp; Because the draft order is based on last season&#039;s performance, and evidently the captains of the best and worst teams quit a lot, this has become a problem.&nbsp; How are we supposed to handle this in light of what&#039;s just happened?&nbsp; Because as soon as I bring it up, everyone&#039;s going to think I&#039;m just steamed about what happened this season, and we&#039;ll start acting on our assumptions and our friendships instead of what&#039;s good for IDL.<br /><br />In general, the things I do I do for a reason.&nbsp; When I&#039;m meticulous about making sure the board understands what we&#039;re voting on I want to avoid stuff like this.&nbsp; When I post things in the forums I want players to be aware of rule changes so they&#039;re not surprised.&nbsp; When I bring issues up, I think that that moment is the best time to talk about them.&nbsp; Sometimes we need to revisit issues (fixing the draft order in season 5 for instance), but we always have to be aware of the effect we&#039;re having on IDL - and changing things up like this, around a week before the draft, is extremely shitty.<br /><br />So I hope I&#039;ve really made everyone angry, and that this thread is reduced to a shitstorm.&nbsp; Usually I try and keep things like this from happening, but I guess because this affects me personally I care less about that than I normally do.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1488, 168, 11, 1266001708, 16, 1488, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.36.0.133', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=168.msg1486#msg1486 date=1265942266]<br />you shouldn&#039;t feel bad, your sorry excuse for a captain should.&nbsp; ggs miek and dev.<br /><br />as an aside - where do i upload demos?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oh, and fuck you. : )', 'xx', 1);
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	(1206, 147, 11, 1260303524, 130, 1206, 'Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=144.msg1204#msg1204 date=1260300775]<br />I don&#039;t care what you corrupt fucks do. You suck and smell like butt!<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1208, 147, 11, 1260316280, 16, 1208, 'Draft Order Change', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'Mionic, I agree with Nostar. You come back after a while and try to start IDLDrama? Lol nub.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1339, 157, 11, 1262986697, 130, 1346, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 1263054786, 'nostar', 'Now that I don&#039;t have to do predictions on my game I figure I&#039;ll throw my 2cents in.<br /><br />also Tai is a Jamaican psychic.<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=157.msg1328#msg1328 date=1262567985]<br />[i]Against SUC, I sense that FLS will be shedding a lot of tears at not getting a lot of flag touches, while I think Whiteboy himself won&#039;t stop some very good fraggers from doubling him up like a ragdoll. [/i]<br />[center][b]SUC 2-0 FLS[/b][/center]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]SPOT LIGHT GAME[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />All of the predictions show BSK going down. But to who? Mantis, Stallion and CursedKing? I do not think so. Do you guys even know who Shakal is? Rose is a really effective player regardless of ping (which is lower than miek&#039;s btw) and I think much fuss was made about nothing. For my money, I have to say that Stallion was the worst franchise this season. He&#039;s inactive, not that good when he is active, and not strong enough to carry his team against the ridiculousness of this season&#039;s teams. Their best hope is to frag a tie imo. <br /><br />[i]Look for shak+rose+chow to rickroll all over the bastard child of last season&#039;s runner up.[/i]<br />[center][b]BSK 2-0 BBC[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />DMR is crap. Doomguy you have seriously let me down this season and I think your tenure as captain will end this season. Regardless I hope you win a couple games so Jenova doesn&#039;t quit IDL like a little girl.<br /><br />[i]DMR is done. Stick fork in[/i]<br />[center][b]EBL 2-0 DMR[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />I really think this should be the spotlight game this week. Two of the best IDL teams in a grind map. I foresee a lot of 0-0. Bones is pretty epic defense here, but Tai probably has the intensity to keep up with that. Miek+whoever should be enough to get around bones a few times. I actually hope they play Dev. Oath has been a total slacker lately and I think he&#039;s getting worse as a runner simply from lack of play. SPE needs ghost to basically rule on Tai. MB is terrible at support on this map. He needs to focus on cover a lot more from what I have seen. There are only a few scenarios, but I&#039;m rooting for miek&#039;s win. <br /><br />[i]I am rooting for you miek![/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 0-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center]This was a good game, also miek u must eat wordz.[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1212, 146, 11, 1260349844, 46, 1212, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '67.160.166.116', 1, 0, '', 'Huh, I have no idea if I really experience packet loss or not, but I&#039;ll give this a shot.&nbsp; I think I download a lot less than I play.<br /><br />Thanks, Ladna!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1213, 144, 11, 1260350845, 46, 1213, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '67.160.166.116', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=144.msg1201#msg1201 date=1260241948]<br />Sabertooth has stepped down as captain of the Berserker Packers and Shakal has stepped into his role, so I&#039;ll have to modify my post a bit shortly.<br /><br />Also, the board had an emergency session on the retroactive application of the forfeit rule and it was decided that the draft order set for this season will remain and that the forfeit rule will be applied to future drafts.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Admiral o&gt;<br /><br />As to the Super Chargers... Ralph has an ace up his sleeve, perhaps?', 'xx', 1);
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	(6610, 636, 20, 1333306327, 89, 6610, 'Re: Season 11 / Winter 2012 - MASTERBOWL XI - Discussion and Results', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.180.79', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=636.msg6608#msg6608 date=1333270638]<br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=636.msg6599#msg6599 date=1332839635]<br />[quote author=Mantis-X link=topic=636.msg6597#msg6597 date=1332799981]<br />[quote]I still don&#039;t have a ton of faith in OurHero or Armour so I&#039;ll pick KNF.[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/UnXpI.gif[/img]<br /><br /><br />[/quote]don&#039;t get cocky about that. knf had zero practice coming into that game, our strategy was basically &quot;do things&quot; which surprisingly didn&#039;t do things<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Which was completely KNF&#039;s fault for not seizing the moment and practicing your asses off. I don&#039;t really want to turn this into a shitfest but claiming &quot;not practicing&quot; was the reason you lost, then to me, it&#039;s just as good as being inferior to another team.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Shut your mouth, for 18 we needed Whiteboy because he has a different style of playing than anyone else. White was too busy to make most days and when we did want to practice for 18, we waited at least 30 minutes and only two people showed up to help. when it was game time the server almost filled up. Practice&nbsp; makes a difference and not practicing can be the reason you lose regardless of how good you are.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6293, 617, 20, 1330133285, 2194, 6293, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Reverse', 'Kirboy02@hotmail.com', '96.20.133.196', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t think anyone is going to have a fully functional view after the game&#039;s. I say we change those eyerape textures. For the love of god', 'xx', 1);
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	(1210, 147, 11, 1260328272, 2, 1223, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.47.143', 1, 1260402044, 'mikefails', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />JESUS<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Alright, now that we can all sorta take a step back I&#039;ll put my input into this.&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />Nostar&#039;s point is that there&#039;s no reason for you or Bones to be in favor of retroactivity, so Bones showing up with &quot;logs&quot; isn&#039;t that convincing.&nbsp; I love Bones and I&#039;m definitely not trying to call him a liar or anything, but even I have trouble with him not having internet, being on the benefiting team, and telling us via proxy what the logs say.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I understand this definitely needs to be looked into of course, however I feel pretty safe in assuming that denny and bones are not trying to game us in any way.&nbsp; However with that said, its always wise to be on the same page when we discuss these issues.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />Even though there&#039;s no explicit rule about it, I think it&#039;s pretty well known that the IDL Administration takes a dim view of throwing games (Caboose not being invited this season is evidence), and I would hope that no captain would consider it a viable strategy - or at least if they did they wouldn&#039;t think it was something they should be open about.&nbsp; So I don&#039;t even think I would call our punishment of SPE &quot;unfair&quot;, because Nero should&#039;ve known that throwing games would get him into trouble.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />As for this piece of the orchestra, I agree.&nbsp; We hand pick our captains to ensure we have competent people who understand basic things like cheating and foul play are usually looked upon poorly.&nbsp; On the other hand while it might have been low down and dirty (or perhaps it was never intended to be dirty, as MOST of SPE just didn&#039;t show up) it was never specifically ruled against and I dislike approaching matters so negatively especially when the entire party that committed the offense is no longer on that team.&nbsp; To me personally, not attending a game isn&#039;t quite as malicious as throwing a game to ruin yr opponents playoffs (as a side note EBL didn&#039;t deserve to go to the playoffs that season, having only won in a 3v2 I believe&nbsp; ::))<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />Teams are separate entities from players - that&#039;s why the man-advantage rule applies to teams (you can&#039;t substitute a non-offending player to make up for the lost man), and in this case it&#039;s most appropriate because SPE was getting the advantage from throwing games no matter who its captain was.&nbsp; You can say you&#039;re faultless, and you are!&nbsp; But that doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;re entitled to an advantage unfairly obtained by the previous captain.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is pretty sensible and it is sorta hard not to agree with this, we have always viewed teams in this light and one might wonder why this could be treated differently.&nbsp; However, I do remember SPE was a defeated team last season, a terrible team.&nbsp; Their only win came from a 3v2 against KGB if I recall correctly?&nbsp; The SPE franchise player quit midseason on this team, SPE never picked a 4th replacement player, SPE was a team entirely comprised of euros after the midseason trade to SUC.&nbsp; Maybe these shouldn&#039;t have anything to do with SPE&#039;s draft and while I personally don&#039;t think they should, they all point towards one significant thing:&nbsp; SPE was the worst team last season and they felt defeated before the game in question ever took place.&nbsp; Whether or not we can punish SPE for none of their players showing is what we should be debating.&nbsp; In a way it was Nero&#039;s fault because he never picked a replacement for Fastidious, in a way it is Mortalogy and NOT DEWWWS fault since they did not show up BUT DEWWW DID.&nbsp; FLS had a little bit of something left (courage or fear of Ladna&#039;s whip, not sure) <br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />And just so everyone knows, when we were talking about re-voting the issue Denny volunteered to have SPE (him and Bones) sit out, which was a [size=5][b]huge[/b][/size] gesture on his part.&nbsp; Of course the board can&#039;t do this, 3 of us are captains and so is Ralphis, so we&#039;d never get anything done.&nbsp; Still, I think that should be noted.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Duly noted.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />Ralphis and Bones and I all talked about how FLS had first pick because SPE forfeited (this was August 20th or so), so I feel at least a little mislead.&nbsp; I&#039;m not gonna Blair or anything, but you can see how this screws me - and thus why I want to see the logs.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I would also like to see these logs as I do not remember FLS ever having first pick.&nbsp; I mean, when we assigned captains to teams (a couple weeks ago?) we said picks were 1/6/8 for spe/bsk/suc and nobody ever had an issue with this, I never had any clue anybody thought FLS was #1 and SPE was #2.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />And I&#039;d like to say that as head of the board, I&#039;m a little irritated about being second-guessed.&nbsp; When I post rule changes to the forums, I don&#039;t take liberties.&nbsp; When we vote on things, I put the wording that I&#039;m going to use in IRC - and if I change it, I let everyone know that I posted it and that they should look at it to make sure we&#039;re square.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />If you could check your logs about this it would be appreciated because I (sorta) distinctly remember telling you you had updated the retroactivity clause incorrectly and for some reason I think it was just flubbed and never got taken care of.&nbsp; Not sure if this is or is not true, but could use some looking into!<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />a lot of stuff<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I agree, Ladna is made of sterner stuff and he has some sort of perserverance and sticks around through thick AND thin, something some of our other captains have not done.&nbsp; This is pretty admirable, especially since he took over for a failing captain on the second worst team in IDL which SUX.&nbsp; In my mind SPE was the worst team last season, not going to playoffs and only winning a game 3v2.&nbsp; However FLS won their only game by forfeit but attended playoffs.&nbsp; Tough call I think.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=147.msg1209#msg1209 date=1260316896]<br />a whole lot of stuff<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Ultimately I think this was caused by having an inactive board, we never could discuss this as a group since nobody was around when everybody else was.&nbsp; Ladna disappeared for a while, mantis was hard to find, etc etc etc.&nbsp; That being said, this barely affects denny at all and regardless of if this is changed or not, perhaps he could be the bigger ( ::)) man and simply concede the pick to Ladna, after all its only ONE pick and denny isn&#039;t going to get Whiteboy anyways.<br /><br />PS I never remembered having a formal vote on this issue because of the reason above, and remain uncertain one ever happened.<br /><br />PPS Sorry dew, I had forgotten which of you had shown up don&#039;t hate me forever!!', 'xx', 1);
