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	(2264, 250, 12, 1281874567, 26, 2264, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championship Games (Aug 9 - Aug 15.)', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '82.43.130.177', 1, 0, '', 'Star stop showing your ass', 'xx', 1);
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	(2201, 243, 12, 1281361835, 22, 2264, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '64.229.20.53', 1, 1281900861, 'Shadow_Ghost', 'IDC<br /><br />Xenaero<br />Whiteboy567<br />Tai<br />Joshsmith<br />Ralphis<br /><br />WDC<br /><br />Jenova<br />ItalianStallion<br />Mantis-X<br />Nostar<br />Mikehail', 'xx', 1);
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	(4199, 448, 18, 1308876336, 216, 4199, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 20 - Jun 26) : ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '65.92.127.153', 1, 0, '', 'Most BS game of doom i&#039;ve played in my life. p much got fucked over from all directions. its a shame because a real game played out would&#039;ve been interesting ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6642, 639, 21, 1333752425, 145, 6642, 'Re: IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.183.24.223', 1, 0, '', 'All good, if for some reason you need another player to play give me a buzz', 'xx', 1);
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	(8874, 499, 1, 1365796843, 19, 8874, 'Re: North America Vs Europe', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.242.178', 1, 0, '', 'can i play', 'xx', 1);
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	(3250, 372, 3, 1295051123, 3, 3250, 'Re: Hiya', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Oh, so that&#039;s who you are, I remember you saying hey or something in TT priv. Welcome to ZD. I&#039;m not sure if IDL-R is still open or not but maybe you can get in on that, you definitely have some CTF experience.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3391, 385, 1, 1297527118, 213, 3391, 'Re: Introduction', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '75.186.106.4', 1, 0, '', 'Hey, sexy...&nbsp; only if you come first.<br /><br />I like those eyelashes.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2419, 267, 1, 1283208299, 7, 2419, 'Re: ZDCTF MAP08', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=267.msg2408#msg2408 date=1283151072]<br />Not sure what you mean by this.&nbsp; If someone RJs up to the hump with the flag then goes to for the middle RJ up to the wall to cross middle, how is it easy to stop them?&nbsp; If I play middle and see them even then it&#039;s hard as hell to hit them up there let alone get a good enough shot that vs them high up to frag them.&nbsp; It&#039;s almost impossible as they just wait up there until the timing is right too.&nbsp; Trying to come after them means you gotta get out of position and spend time going up there to chase.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I mean as the runner goes in.&nbsp; If they&#039;ve gotten to your flag with enough health to RJ onto the hump, and then RJ back up to the middle wall your whole team has failed - repeatedly - and you deserve to lose that flag.&nbsp; And I agree w/ Dew, RJs make that map playable, unpredictable and fun; without them that map is a headache in linedef form.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=267.msg2408#msg2408 date=1283151072]<br />Bit off topic but yeah I don&#039;t ZD think RJing is good, even though I can score a lot on MAP08 RJing.&nbsp; I think the only single person who mastered RJing was potent.&nbsp; Even top players such as Chain you&#039;ll often see die to self damage when trying to RJ.&nbsp; I also have problems as ZDaemon whenever I RJ my fire and jump keys usually get stuck (anyone know how to stop that?).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Eh, Doom in general has difficulty with vertical play.&nbsp; Jumps are pretty big deals, RJs are very specialized maneuvers.&nbsp; In Quake your rocket splash doesn&#039;t hurt you nearly as much as it hurts your opponent, so RJs are a lot easier and a big part of the game.&nbsp; It just means that an RJ in ZD is riskier with a bigger payoff.&nbsp; Personally I think it fits MAP08 pretty well; really I think that the problem is that running any other way is pretty close to impossible.<br /><br />Mike is a pretty pro RJer, Strangle is coming up, Chain has a good one, Cab &amp; Jenova are pros as well - although I think the differences between ST and ZD mess Jenova up haha.&nbsp; MB used to have an OK RJ too but he ditched us!!!<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />ODA02:<br /><br />This map could probably be fixed with a powerup, or changing all spawns (except 1) to an SG/CG spawn.&nbsp; Maybe a more-accessible RL... but that might not make a big difference.&nbsp; It&#039;s a shame that the map is still a ridiculous grind despite all the trick maneuvers on it, so I&#039;m inclined to advocate a fix instead of a cut, but it&#039;s hard to be sure.&nbsp; I&#039;m certainly not a fan of it as it is.<br /><br />3413:<br /><br />I think that this map is really unique, and is more teamplay-oriented than most players realize.&nbsp; EBL used an offensive push technique where their D and M would push up after clearing.&nbsp; After their opponent was trapped in the base, their O grabbed and they were in great position to cover/pick.&nbsp; Of course, the way to beat that is to use the teleporters and flank them, but I think because it was so unorthodox (their entire team abandoned their base!!!) none of their opponents thought flanking them would actually work.&nbsp; They just went into &quot;we&#039;re being camped/trapped&quot; mode, and consequently got outflagged.<br /><br />EBL could pull that off due to frag power, but I think the predominant way to play 3413 is still 200/200 O, chase M that pushes up to cover/pick, and a turret D.&nbsp; Without chase M your defense will get pounded by a 200/200 O, and without 200/200 O you&#039;ll never score against your opponent&#039;s chase M/turret D.&nbsp; Turret D is so idle during most of the game that some part of me thinks this should be a 2 M situation... but I&#039;ve never played it so I don&#039;t know.&nbsp; Regardless, the map&#039;s got plenty of play, I really disagree that it&#039;s &quot;broken&quot; in any respect.<br /><br />MAP16<br /><br />I think MAP16 played really well last season, did SUC have a BYE there?&nbsp; Generally, spamming down that hallway is a waste of time in a 3v3; if you have plasma you can help cover a runner, but plasma + spheres make that map not a horrible grind - they provide plenty of areas to control and opportunities to take control.<br /><br />MAP19<br /><br />I can go either way on MAP19, I&#039;ll agree it&#039;s really too big and standoff-prone, but it&#039;s not like it&#039;s different for your opponent.&nbsp; When good teams face each other here it&#039;s a test of their coordination and communication, when bad teams face each other it&#039;s just a 20-minute manhunt.&nbsp; It&#039;s hard for us to remove a map that&#039;s hosted such epic games - like Masterbowls - but it doesn&#039;t make it impossible, it&#039;s just something we think about.<br /><br />MAP24<br /><br />Sucks, but it sucks because that BFG is broken.&nbsp; If that&#039;s too big a change, allow players to take that base lift up (make it accessible from the initial part of the base), or maybe both.<br /><br />ZDU05<br /><br />I didn&#039;t play this map, but I hear it yielded some epic games.&nbsp; IDL perhaps owes Chaindude an apology, he initially included a railgun on that map, but we removed it when we put it in the IDL WAD - that&#039;s why things seem a little silly, like what are those column sniper points for, why is the middle so large, etc.&nbsp; Without watching a few demos of this map I wouldn&#039;t feel comfortable removing it at all.<br /><br />MAD11<br /><br />Never played it, because everyone refuses to play it, even though they&#039;ve never played it.&nbsp; Yeah it looks prone to chaotic play, but MAP18 is that way too and people seem to love it so....<br /><br />MAP09<br /><br />I agree with your assessment about the map, but I don&#039;t see why it should be removed based on that.&nbsp; There aren&#039;t that many BFG maps in the WAD, and this one provides a really interesting dynamic; in most maps with a big powerup you don&#039;t see teams fighting tooth &amp; nail to control that room, but on this map basically all the frags happen in and around this room.&nbsp; It&#039;s also defensively interesting, most teams are probably tempted at first to play base D, but the best spot for D there is probably at the mouth of the BFG cave... which makes it an even bigger BFG power struggle.<br /><br />3409<br /><br />The only complaint I&#039;ve heard about this map is that it&#039;s too easy to camp the inside of the teleporter - although I maintain that if you allow someone to do that to you then you deserve what you get.&nbsp; Otherwise 3v3 here is really fun.<br /><br />MAP27<br /><br />This is a map where 2 D can shut down a nearly infinite number of O, and the fact that each base has 2 sides that are blind to each other means that D never wants to move up for fear of being flanked.&nbsp; I like the mix of weapons here - rockets &amp; plasma are effective on D and O - and I like the powerups, but in the end the map is just a grind and probably unfixable.<br /><br />ZDU30<br /><br />When we included this map, we thought that teams would use a lot more RJ out of the pit, but I think I&#039;ve only seen maybe 3-4 RJs on this map in IDL games (mike, cab &amp; saber?).&nbsp; It&#039;s maybe fixable if an RL and health is put in the pit (RL in the open part, health back behind the cage so D can&#039;t easily whore it).&nbsp; Maybe if there were 2 medkits and megaarmor behind the cage and the 2 stairways to middle were separated (as in, there were two separate hallways) the map would be fixed also... but you might have to take plasma out to avoid a 2D spam attack... then again that might be pretty cool haha.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />I took a nap before posting and you guys posted more stuff.<br /><br />[quote author=Nostar]<br />Fast lobbies for maps he likes.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah, taste in maps is largely subjective and something the board&nbsp; struggles with all the time.&nbsp; Trying to figure out how a map will play without playing it for 2 years is a thoroughly imperfect process, but we can&#039;t wait for a map to &quot;mature&quot; before including it in IDL, otherwise we end up in a 1/4/8 situation.&nbsp; More lobbying please! :D<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious]<br />A good example is ZDCTF27 it might kick ass if the flag wasn&#039;t at the end of a long hall way with only one way in and out.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s a cool idea, maybe if there were like, a little alcove instead of a huge hallway that map wouldn&#039;t be impossible.&nbsp; Then D could push to middle.<br /><br />[quote author=Nostar]<br />Let&#039;s use this thread to rope him into doing more things.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;d love to rope more people into doing a lot more things.&nbsp; A lot of stuff in my post involves some intense map editing, which Ralphis doesn&#039;t really have time to do.&nbsp; If anyone wants to volunteer to help us out we&#039;d forever appreciate it - although I&#039;m not saying we&#039;re even going to do any of this stuff (next season is a long way away!).&nbsp; There&#039;s plenty of things to do if anyone&#039;s interested in getting involved, just let a board member or Ralphis know and we&#039;ll get you started :) .<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(3808, 410, 14, 1300336832, 158, 3810, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.35.202', 1, 1300337821, 'Jenova', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=410.msg3804#msg3804 date=1300334901]<br />Dude strangle you can&#039;t make coherent sentences. Please just hide behind someone and hug nuts as per usual.<br /><br />I never rejected anyone. I have personally helped at least 4 people host servers for IDL. Actually the only reason anyone was &quot;rejected&quot; (which isn&#039;t accurate btw) is because IDL used to use ZDStack for stats and now we just use game logs. The reality is that we wanted to help them put ZDStack on their servers and they were unwilling/uninterested/inactive or what have you. Here is something you could consider though. <br /><br />Host....right now. I don&#039;t need 10 excuses for why you aren&#039;t doing it. I will assume they all really translate to:<br /><br />Jenova: I&#039;m a bitch and I just like to whine.<br /><br />AND<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis]You pay $0[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova]Actually Ralph, $10[/quote]<br /><br />Pay is in the present my friend. You currently pay $0. Congrats! you&#039;re wrong again.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />sure, you can join the four IDL servers I have hosted at 68.68.26.132, ports are the same as the other IDL servers. Please note: I will not EVER under any circumstances:<br /><br />1. Charge you for servers<br />2. Beg for donations<br />3. Ban someone who I dislike<br />4. Complain and bitch that &quot;waah you aren&#039;t hosting servers you don&#039;t know how time consuming and hard it is&quot;<br />5. Complain and bitch that &quot;waah I don&#039;t have enough money&quot;<br /><br />Also, if you need a coop or another server hosted, provided I have enough time on my hands I will gladly host it for you free of charge! This is for either ZD or ST.<br /><br />Enjoy!<br /><br />Here, I might as well add the [b]large[/b] strain on my machine from running 4 zdaemon servers, apache, and a bunch of other shit:<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/PTVAA.png[/img]<br /><br />Holy fuck, at this rate I think I&#039;m gonna need a second one just to run 4 more IDL servers!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3634, 398, 14, 1299193822, 38, 3634, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.44.100', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Goatface link=topic=398.msg3621#msg3621 date=1299129713]<br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=398.msg3619#msg3619 date=1299127406]<br />[b]Captain of the Season[/b]<br />Goatface has interestingly assembled a team that does better without him than with him (no offense), which is rare.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />DMR&#039;s Record with Goatface: 1-3-1<br />DMR&#039;s Record with Climhazzard: 1-5<br />JUST SAYIN&#039;!<br />But seriously Clim rules, as do Saber and Mid.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />DMR&#039;s Record with Sabertooth: 2-3-1<br /><br />I settled that didn&#039;t I? GG DOOD 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(3937, 420, 1, 1302917816, 163, 3937, 'Re: Seeking New Commissioner ', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.209.44', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah, I also carried Mantis to two TDM victories!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4289, 459, 16, 1310077597, 130, 4289, 'Re: The trading bug', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.242', 1, 0, '', '6.5 being the average this is a weighted version of the previous chart. 2nd picks count one and a half.<br /><br />1st 6 picks = 1 <br />2nd 6 picks = 2<br />3rd 6 picks = 3<br />4th 6 picks = 4<br /><br />SPE	2.5<br />DMR&nbsp;  4<br />BBC&nbsp;  4<br />TKV	6.5	<br />KGB	6.5<br />SUC	6.5<br />SXP	6.5<br />FLS	7<br />BSK	8.5<br />EBL	9<br />DMC&nbsp; 10<br />KNF	14.5<br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4064, 434, 18, 1305932275, 8, 4064, 'ALERT: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '24.147.28.219', 1, 0, '', '[b]WEEK 1 - MAP26 ZDCTF26 (JUN 6 - JUNE 12)[/b]<br />--------<br />SUC v TKV<br />DMC v KGB<br />DMR v EBL<br />BSK v BBC<br />SXP v KNF<br />SPE v FLS<br /><br />[b]WEEK 2 - MAP28 CHAOSCORE11 (JUN 13 - JUN 19)[/b]<br />--------<br />SUC v DMR, DIV<br />TKV v EBL, DIV<br />BSK v SPE, DIV<br />BBC v FLS, DIV<br />DMC v KNF, ICF<br />KGB v SXP, ICF<br /><br />[b]WEEK 3 - MAP01 ZDCTFMAP01 (JUN 20 - JUN 26)[/b]<br />--------<br />DMC v DMR, DIV<br />KGB v EBL, DIV<br />SXP v SPE, DIV<br />KNF v FLS, DIV<br />SUC v BSK, ICF<br />TKV v BBC, ICF<br /><br />[b]WEEK 4 - MAP22 THIRTY7-22 (JUN 27 - JUL 3)[/b]<br />--------<br />SUC v DMC, DIV<br />TKV v KGB, DIV<br />BSK v SXP, DIV<br />BBC v KNF, DIV<br />DMR v SPE, ICF<br />EBL v FLS, ICF<br /><br />[b]WEEK 5 - MAP05 CHAOSCORE01 (JUL 4 - JULY 10)[/b]<br />--------<br />SUC v EBL<br />DMC v TKV<br />DMR v KGB<br />BSK v FLS<br />SXP v BBC<br />SPE v KNF<br /><br />[b]WEEK 6 - MAP10 ZDU10 (JUL 11 - JUL 17)[/b]<br />--------<br />SUC v DMR, DIV<br />TKV v EBL, DIV<br />BSK v SPE, DIV<br />BBC v FLS, DIV<br />DMC v SXP, ICF<br />KGB v KNF, ICF<br /><br />[b]WEEK 7 - MAP15 ZDCTF15 (JUL 18 - JUL 24)[/b]<br />--------<br />SUC v DMC, DIV<br />TKV v KGB, DIV<br />BSK v SXP, DIV<br />BBC v KNF, DIV<br />DMR v FLS, ICF<br />EBL v SPE, ICF<br /><br />[b]WEEK 8 - MAP18 ZDCTF18 (JUL 25 - JUL 31)[/b]<br />--------<br />SUC v KGB<br />DMC v EBL<br />DMR v TKV<br />BSK v KNF<br />SXP v FLS<br />SPE v BBC<br /><br />[b]WEEK 9 - MAP20 ZDECTF2-01 (AUG 1 - AUG 7)[/b]<br />--------<br />DMC v DMR, DIV<br />KGB v EBL, DIV<br />SXP v SPE, DIV<br />KNF v FLS, DIV<br />SUC v BBC, ICF<br />TKV v BSK, ICF<br /><br />[b]WILDCARD PLAYOFFS - (AUG 8 - AUG 14)<br /><br />CONFERENCE CHAMPIONSHIPS - (AUG 15 - AUG 21)<br /><br />MASTERBOWL - MAP29&nbsp; ZDECTF2-19 (AUG 22 - AUG 28)[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4068, 435, 18, 1306012943, 147, 4068, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=435.msg4066#msg4066 date=1306007480]<br />Was there even one captain in the draft that actually wanted the order changed?<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4691, 499, 1, 1315290940, 131, 4691, 'Re: North America Vs Europe', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '90.180.209.65', 1, 0, '', 'I voted for no, because I don&#039;t want to be embarrassed this hard. USA alone would easily - as in no contest easily - beat Euro at this point as there&#039;s not even enough players for us to practice against. Add few Canadians on top of that, like that aimbotting guy named Stall, and we&#039;re straight dead.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4406, 478, 16, 1312209652, 158, 4406, 'Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.1.87', 1, 1312209804, 'Jenova', 'I&#039;ve been trying to refrain from posting this thread for a while, but I think that the actions the board has taken regarding S2011 has needs to be addressed. 12 teams was a large blunder, especially with inexperienced captains, captains with little or no doom skill, and captains who won&#039;t even show up to their own games and promptly get removed from the league.<br /><br />Why is this an issue? IDL is a league for top tier players. Many people will argue that rotation the same roster of players each season is a step backwards; that IDL does not gain any new talent and therefore does not expand. This is 100% untrue. Players, good or bad, will sign up for IDL in hopes that they get drafted on a team, or even have a chance at capping. Many of the players who do not get picked re-apply for next season. Eventually, these players get good enough to the point where they are recognized by the majority of other IDL players as acceptable, and not just dead weights.<br /><br />For example, I won two masterbowls out of my 2 season career as a captain. This puts me at a 100% win ratio as a captain, the highest win ratio of any other captain. Why am I this good? Because I&#039;m the best. Many people have often asked me where I get my ancient skills from, and to that I would answer &quot;Practice and hard work does nothing, being born with a big dick and awesome doom skill does.&quot;<br /><br />The point that I&#039;m trying to get at is that I&#039;m 100% better than you, and that if you are going to reply to this thread, it should be in awe of me. I beat Hatred at duels, I beat Jkist in duels, I even beat Chewy in our last best of 3. Hell, Jkist wouldn&#039;t even let me sign up for ZDDL last season because he didn&#039;t want any competition, but he ended up losing anyways.<br /><br />I&#039;ve won IDL multiple times, I&#039;m indisputably the best offense, mid, and defense player in Zdaemon, Odamex and Skulltag. What is the point of playing in the IDL when I cap? There isn&#039;t. Which is why you should take this advice from the best player in DOOM: Just give up. You shitty players won&#039;t ever be as good as me, even if you train 24/7, so you might as well just quit before you blow a huge part of your life losing to me. Which brings me to another point: Shitty players.<br /><br />Shitty players shouldn&#039;t be let in IDL, yet these players are being handed out captain positions. HumanBones needs to stop being a useless defender/idl commissioner and start doing his job. For instance, Ralphis was chosen as a captain this season. Are you serious? Ralphis has got to be one of the most intolerable shitty players this league has seen. The transgender bra/panty wearing faggot doesn&#039;t deserve his spot in IDL, and should be removed. The only reason his teams have ever won a masterbowl is because they were stacked to the top. Any team could win if you had 2 of me on it, he&#039;s just lucky I wasn&#039;t around when he won his masterbowls.<br /><br />In summary, just quit playing doom, I&#039;m better than you.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4461, 478, 16, 1312375999, 2121, 4461, 'Re: Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'chow', 'donotreply@linuxmail.org', '208.54.32.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jenova link=topic=478.msg4406#msg4406 date=1312209652]In summary, just quit playing doom, I&#039;m better than you.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i47.tinypic.com/301kksn.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3529, 362, 14, 1297905382, 23, 3529, 'Re: W2011 IDL-R Free Agent - Trade History', 'Nautilus', 'knotilus@myway.com', '72.66.25.228', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m a free agent for IDL-R bitches', 'xx', 1);
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	(8426, 827, 17, 1361025349, 145, 8426, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.143.203.39', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=L9Mnyxc8_J8#t=8s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&amp;v=L9Mnyxc8_J8#t=8s[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8843, 876, 1, 1364918300, 86, 8843, 'Re: HOLA!?', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '174.252.148.10', 1, 0, '', 'Nicholas and Selwyn, how is your relationship together going? Any children yet? You 2 were always cute together! Haha no I&#039;m not related to metalhead....thank god.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2265, 250, 12, 1281900876, 130, 2265, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championship Games (Aug 9 - Aug 15.)', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1281901658, 'nostar', 'i really think you need to chill out. your post was pretty ok until you started talking (to) about me. why do you let me get on your nerves? and why do you think i wield such influence to single-handedly sully your name? i&#039;m no better at convincing people that you&#039;re garbage than you are.<br /><br />you&#039;re right, i do think you&#039;re not so good at doom. to be honest, i&#039;m a pretty good judge of that. what i don&#039;t understand is why you let it get to you. i don&#039;t think beast is that good but he just calls me a bitch and we play on. why do you take it so seriously?<br /><br />and if you think it&#039;s just me that shits on you, that might be your real problem. i&#039;ve watched your own teams (meaning over multiple seasons) shit on you...in front of you. i can tell you why though. it&#039;s because you pretend you&#039;re better than you really are and then cry foul and blame others when you fall short.<br /><br />so get off my nuts please. i&#039;m not why you&#039;re a little girl always crying about your plight in some 20 year old online game. you have 2 very capable players ready to play for you and you throw a huge fit because white had a few drinks (and still played better than you). maybe you should see the psychiatrist =) or man up and stop being a pussy. that might work too.<br /><br />the real reason you think I (and trust me, it&#039;s we) shit on you more than ralph or lb (i use those guys because they have a sense of humor) is because you have no sense of humor. every gets their fair share my friend. this is a community of trolls and jerks. nice people like oath and potent and gilgamesh leave because we&#039;re all pretty much mean. <br /><br />take a little advice from hatred and grow some thicker skin. i don&#039;t dislike you anymore than i dislike any crybaby. and it&#039;s no one&#039;s fault but your own that you have a reputation for being just that.<br /><br />EDIT:<br />for the record, Legion is the bottom feeder of IDL, this one at least. you&#039;re just so full of self-pity that you like to think things like that.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3811, 410, 14, 1300338328, 15, 3811, 'Re: Free wins....', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.90.44', 1, 0, '', 'Every time I open up this page, a smile appears on my face.&nbsp; Lovin&#039; it.&nbsp; <br /><br />:&nbsp; D', 'xx', 1);
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	(2235, 250, 12, 1281760648, 19, 2266, 'Dumb Flames S2010', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 1281902477, 'Ladna', 'http://xen.unidoom.org/idl2010h.txt<br /><br />I&#039;ve finally run out of patience for a team (and the league really) that calls me a shitty captain and fucks around the map while drunk when we&#039;re trying to get a serious practice going. I played in the league to win and have fun and basically neither has been happening because everyone thinks it&#039;s hilarious to piss me off whenever they want a kick. No one else would put up with the bullshit (maybe they would if they got paid or enjoyed getting shit on) you guys are throwin out to get your shits and giggles so hey, as the last act of IDL&#039;s &quot;shittiest captain&quot; (apparently with worse leadership skills than Fastidious I&#039;m told) I&#039;m gonna make a real shitty call to live up to my title.<br /><br />EBL officially concedes the game against SUC, which also ends my last season I think, so congrats you got rid of me. In a way I saved my team from actually losing the game in front of everyone since it&#039;s pretty clear to me from recent events how much they wanna lose. Enjoy your time off for the remaining week of this IDL Season, I&#039;m outta here.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2266, 250, 12, 1281902359, 19, 2267, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championship Games (Aug 9 - Aug 15.)', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 1281902538, 'Xenaero', 'There&#039;s really no point in me responding to such a lackluster reply but I need to kill time so hey<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=250.msg2265#msg2265 date=1281900876]why do you let me get on your nerves? and why do you think i wield such influence to single-handedly sully your name? i&#039;m no better at convincing people that you&#039;re garbage than you are.[/quote]<br /><br />Mostly because you continue to do it so really after awhile of hammering this singular idea it becomes accepted as hey, nostar keeps saying this guy is bad and he wins CTF games so he must be right! It&#039;s not unlike any public speaker preaching their opinion tirelessly, eventually it becomes engrained.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=250.msg2265#msg2265 date=1281900876]you&#039;re right, i do think you&#039;re not so good at doom. to be honest, i&#039;m a pretty good judge of that.[/quote]<br /><br />I think someone here&#039;s forgetting who trashed them in those 1v1 grudge matches and totally sidestepped any future challenges cause they didn&#039;t want to get embarassed in front of a full serv again. Spin it however you like in your reply to this, dude, although I should be fair and state they were played way back, when people were worth playing. Maybe Ralph&#039;s league will be fun enough to practice for, but I&#039;m getting off track here.<br /><br />You can ride with mike/chewy and win all the CTF games you want. Individually you&#039;re just not as good as I am. That&#039;s a proven fact, and on that topic I have nothing to prove to you, but you evidently do to me since you make it a point to tell me how terrible I am in Priv CTF even if I outperformed my entire team.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=250.msg2265#msg2265 date=1281900876]and if you think it&#039;s just me that shits on you, that might be your real problem. i&#039;ve watched your own teams (meaning over multiple seasons) shit on you...in front of you. i can tell you why though. it&#039;s because you pretend you&#039;re better than you really are and then cry foul and blame others when you fall short.[/quote]<br /><br />Nah, I&#039;m saying you do it completely unwarranted which makes you look like a total ass. My teammates generally have acted as they did because I would get on them about doing things like completely disregarding anything their [b]captain[/b] had told them we should do, or don&#039;t show up for practice or games period just because they don&#039;t feel like it. Are you seriously gonna tell me multiple seasons of this isn&#039;t going to irk you? Oh yeah that&#039;s right you basically have your buddies play for you every season, my bad. Again, you honestly have no idea what you&#039;re talking about, although you pretend you do.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=250.msg2265#msg2265 date=1281900876]take a little advice from hatred and grow some thicker skin. i don&#039;t dislike you anymore than i dislike any crybaby. and it&#039;s no one&#039;s fault but your own that you have a reputation for being just that.[/quote]<br /><br />I have a pretty thick skin for having to put up with ppl like you for 8 seasons in a row.<br /><br />I think I&#039;m missing what exactly I&#039;m being a crybaby about, since you&#039;ve disliked me for a long time. I think the only thing I&#039;ve really complained about regularly is my proven shitty connection to TT. I think it&#039;s a valid complaint, and I put forth exemplary play, considering. Although I think the real fault lies with me for trying to figure out what your problem is when I think it&#039;s just you being yourself. What that is, I can&#039;t say, because there&#039;s preschool toys present.<br /><br />This should get split off from the main topic cause it&#039;s just shitting up the conference thread so if you can do something useful and make that happen that would be spectacular.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3938, 400, 1, 1303270967, 163, 3938, 'Re: For my fans...', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.132.179', 1, 0, '', 'Fast are you still alive?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4407, 478, 16, 1312215729, 75, 4407, 'Re: Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'inb4<br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=478.msg4406#msg4406 date=1312209652]<br />[size=6][font=impact][color=pink]I suck dicks with a straw. I can&#039;t get enough dicks, feed me dicks please.[/color][/font][/size]<br />[size=1][i]&lt;&lt; Last Edit: [b]Today[/b] at 12:30:00 PM by Nostar &gt;&gt;[/i][/size]<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4069, 435, 18, 1306029850, 2095, 4069, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'Reaper', 'piizzazredd45@yahoo.com', '24.35.33.29', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Reaper<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email contact: piizzazredd45@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: none<br />Regular Availability: Anytime', 'xx', 1);
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	(4290, 455, 16, 1310077698, 15, 4290, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '184.144.174.107', 1, 1310077864, 'ItalianStallion', 'One good player? Who....&nbsp; I don&#039;t see one.&nbsp; Well sure, if you&#039;re betting on getting some forfeit wins, sure, you can win a couple.&nbsp; Hell, the way this season is turning out, you might make the playoffs on forfeits alone...<br /><br />We traded [b]two active[/b], and pretty good players, to a team that can barely show up to games, let alone compete.&nbsp; Show me a trade that would&#039;ve been better for Naut.&nbsp; Oh let me guess, Dr.Noob for Mantis is a better one right?&nbsp; Or how about Coll for Mantis?&nbsp; Don&#039;t be butthurt that Naut did the smartest thing that he&#039;s done all season.&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty sure we had the best picks #3 and #4 to ship out than anyone else in the league.&nbsp; So we made it work for us.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4462, 484, 16, 1312385740, 163, 4462, 'Re: Reinstate franchising and editing some of the IDL maps', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.110.104.242', 1, 0, '', 'It was late man. Plus, I suppose I should thank you for pointing it out as well, it was one of the few games you showed up to!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6087, 596, 18, 1327530691, 75, 6087, 'IDL-R kicks off this Friday!', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'This Friday, right after CTB vs TCB ends, be there for the first Reserve League priv session!<br /><br />Do you want to improve your game? Do you want to catch the eye of a captain in need of fresh blood? Are you just sick of warming the bench? Everyone&#039;s welcome!<br /><br />[b]Friday @ 9 PM EST, Total Trash Chicago[/b]<br /><br />Time subject to change depending on the length of the IDL match. Feel free to comment if you wish for an alternate server location.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4674, 494, 17, 1314988311, 8, 4674, 'Re: Booting out unwanted maps.', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '98.234.131.145', 1, 0, '', 'How is super defensive and &quot;grindy&quot; not a style? Is it just because the score won&#039;t be 5-4 at the end? If you want to use ZDCTF24 as an example, which was a great IDL map, it&#039;s still not that easy to defend. You still have to aim and shoot, and you still have to know where in the map to play defense. Not that it&#039;s such a bad thing for a map to be &quot;easy&quot; to defend; I don&#039;t understand why a map can&#039;t require tougher [b]O[/b]. <br /><br />I love all types of different maps, and I love all the different types of games each map provides. There is absolutely nothing wrong with a map that requires a runner to play to the best of their abilities, using mind and skill, to score a single flag. If anything, that&#039;s the true test of a great runner, not a map where every person on the team manages to score a flag. The point is that these types of maps [b]should never[/b] be excluded from the IDL wad. Ladna hit the nail on the head; we have a responsibility to include maps of every style.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3378, 383, 14, 1297275321, 19, 3392, 'Week 6 (Feb 7 - Feb 13) : ZDE01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.178', 1, 1297539812, 'Xenaero', '[center]<br />[b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 6 of IDL Winter 2011[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP20 - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP20 - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP20 - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 6 - MAP20 - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />[b]Fnordy Niners vs Sexual Panthers (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />[b]Berserker Packers vs Brokeback Cowboys (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />[b]Flag Steelers vs Spread Eagles (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />[b]Demonic Colts vs Techno Vikings (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers vs Electric Bills (CONF)[/b]<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders vs Killing Browns (CONF)[/b]<br /><br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2268, 243, 12, 1281903614, 7, 2268, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[color=blue]INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br />[list]<br />[li]Whiteboy[/li]<br />[li]Hatred[/li]<br />[li]Tai[/li]<br />[li]Ralphis[/li]<br />[li]Gyrossman[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[color=red]WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br />[list]<br />[li]RussianDumbass[/li]<br />[li]Ladna[/li]<br />[li]LordBritish[/li]<br />[li]Nostar[/li]<br />[li]Mikehail[/li]<br />[/list]<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6332, 619, 20, 1330442619, 49, 6332, 'Re: yo yo', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '69.7.228.244', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=619.msg6325#msg6325 date=1330404503]Blair&#039;s &quot;Monstrous&quot; SCTF01 was &quot;the perfect map&quot; according to LB. Dew was/is a fan as well. Saber liked the map but only if I got rid of the Rocket Launcher. The list goes on in terms of positives and negatives. At least those with an actual opinion other than &quot;you can get spawn camped and I want my ssg spawns&quot; (hello, this is Doom) took the time to playtest the mapset.[/quote]I did help playtest SCTF in its earliest stages, including SCTF01. My same grievances were aired at this time, however, it was made clear that a &quot;good map&quot; to me was vastly different than a &quot;good map&quot; to you or any of your apprentices. <br /><br />But the fact that it was on the maplist for the season that most likely ultimately lead to the demise of IDL cannot be a coinicidence.&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(2298, 254, 1, 1282247735, 20, 2298, 'Re: Most Heroic IDL games', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.93.170', 1, 0, '', 'Definitely VGR beating PAK comes to mind, but VGR was way better than their record due to their mid-season pickups. <br /><br />Personally... Best moment I remember was Stall/Metalblack/I taking the undefeated SUC to 4 or 5 rounds in the Masterbowl and only losing by one flag. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3812, 410, 14, 1300338526, 2, 3815, 'Re: Free wins....', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.41.229', 1, 1300339392, 'mikefails', 'nostar is just funny is all.&nbsp; To be totally honest, if I was a more malevolent person or maybe a less lazy person, I would ban strangle all the time from TT.&nbsp; He mostly seems to go out of his way to provoke nostar and it eventually gets to the point where it is like Ourhero trying to tell Ralphis how to run or play defense or do anything besides pick his nose and talk loudly (I assure you, Ralphis is an expert at those things already as well as running and defense).<br /><br />This was going somewhere but then I started eating a crabcake and all my hatred vanished.<br /><br />mmmmm crabcakessssss', 'xx', 1);
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	(3635, 398, 14, 1299216420, 214, 3635, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.22.252', 1, 1299216521, 'RustInPeace', '1. [b]Rookie of the year[/b]<br />First I&#039;m going to say that it doesn&#039;t matter if someone has been playing since &#039;99 or 2009. We are all rookies to IDL if this is our first season playing regardless of prior &#039;CTF experience&#039;. Personally my prior CTF experience(2007-2008) was limited to Pub CTF and scrims against shit clans like [T] and [GS] and this is vastly different from the IDL. But anyway, I&#039;m going to go ahead and give this to higgs. I&#039;d choose myself as seeing the other rookies aren&#039;t even at my level (they&#039;re too low) but I&#039;m gonna step aside and give it to my mfquaking, Canadian teammate. During the pre-season the majority said we were fucked because we didn&#039;t have any real O and that was going to be our downfall. However, higgs has developed a fanbase within IDL and mostly everyone acknowledges he is a capable runner. I don&#039;t know what nostar&#039;s problem is with higgs, but he&#039;s not a terrible pick. Perhaps in a few seasons higgs will be running circles around star, making him look like robert-tk. I don&#039;t know whats the deal with massvc. I&#039;ve never seen him play at all this season so I cannot comment on him. <br /><br />[b]higgs[/b] for going from zero to hero.<br /><br /><br />2. [b]Captain of the year[/b]<br />I&#039;m not going to be basing this solely on winning records or stats. What makes a Captain stand out is success, more specifically, success when everyone expected failure. So right away Stall, Jenova, and Ralphis shouldn&#039;t be mentioned since there was no possibly way for them to fuck up their teams that happen to be flooded with good players. Plus we all expected them to do well, which they have. Despite making the playoffs, Tai can&#039;t even keep his team together and they possibly hate his guts enough to no-show the playoffs. Caboose didn&#039;t even show up for one of his games (he forgot D:) and Goat only did slightly better than we thought. TKV has been disappointing all this season and Jen says they suck. Bones and Mantis are struggling for the last playoff spot but both have also been disappointing this season. So it comes down to Hatred and Strangle. Both teams have done better than everyone expected. Strangle, has done well with mike and collision (who was a bit of gamble) and has made it to the playoffs as a rookie captain. However, his team has experience and that&#039;s what separates them from EBL. I&#039;m going to go with Hatred. I&#039;m not picking him because he&#039;s my Captain, but rather due to the fact he took 2 &#039;crappy&#039; rookies and made it to the playoffs. Lets all remember what everyone said in the pre-season. We were doomed and probably would only get like 1 win, a few ties and several losses. Since we didn&#039;t have any &#039;IDL Superstars&#039;, our chances of reach playoffs were close to none. But we made playoffs and made it without any &#039;Superstars&#039; so suck on it.<br /><br />[b]Hatred[/b] for proving all you faggots wrong.<br /><br /><br />3. [b]Comeback player of the year[/b]<br />Well this is a stupid category. As seeing I&#039;ve never played in IDL before and have no clue who quit or took a break, I&#039;m going with:<br /><br />[b]Rottking[/b] since he&#039;s cooler than all the other mentioned players.<br /><br /><br />4. [b]Most underrated player[/b]<br />There are many players who can fit under this category. But most of the people previously mentioned have skills and many can agree on that. Therefore I&#039;m going to have to give this to my brother. In priv, strangle is constantly being told he sucks and that he&#039;s only good for filler. But he can frag well as I can (maybe slightly better) and his running is much improved from the last time we were on a team or anything([AC], 2008). He&#039;s shown he can be a capable defender on some maps. If he could start using his brains more and pay attention to what works and what doesn&#039;t, he would definitely be a top tier player. Sure I may be smarter than him, taller than him, better looking than him, on a higher level than him, and my gf is hotter than his... oh wait. Whereas I get a little bit of credit, he gets nearly none. So:<br /><br />[b]Strangle[/b] for ignoring the haters and rocking shit.<br /><br /><br />5. [b]Most Valuable player[/b]<br />This can be looked at several ways. An MVP could be the person who was most important to their team. An MVP can also be someone who carried their team. An MVP can be a player who can make any team a winner. But since this can apply to many players, I&#039;m going with:<br /><br />[b]Ralphis[/b]. He&#039;s 10 times the player you faggots will never be.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3939, 400, 1, 1303284042, 147, 3939, 'Re: For my fans...', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'all your fans are concerned', 'xx', 1);
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	(4408, 478, 16, 1312220295, 10, 4408, 'Re: Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'This thread in a nutshell<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/fH9e2.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4291, 455, 16, 1310080683, 130, 4291, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.242', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=455.msg4290#msg4290 date=1310077698]<br />We traded [b]two active[/b], and pretty good players, to a team that can barely show up to games, let alone compete.&nbsp; Show me a trade that would&#039;ve been better for Naut.&nbsp; Oh let me guess, Dr.Noob for Mantis is a better one right?&nbsp; Or how about Coll for Mantis?&nbsp; Don&#039;t be butthurt that Naut did the smartest thing that he&#039;s done all season.&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty sure we had the best picks #3 and #4 to ship out than anyone else in the league.&nbsp; So we made it work for us.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I, unlike some other faggots here, am not criticizing trades. I think your trade was good. I think Hate&#039;s trade and my trade were good. You are the one who showed up to criticize captains for trades telling them to &quot;lay low&quot; and that their seasons are over. You don&#039;t have to defend yourself to me. I think you made a good trade. I also think you&#039;re a butthurt faggot and need to stop talking like you&#039;re the moral authority. You&#039;re not. You&#039;re just some faggot trashing people for things your team did too.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4070, 435, 18, 1306040161, 89, 4070, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '65.68.75.182', 1, 0, '', 'Heresy', 'xx', 1);
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	(4511, 460, 17, 1312750817, 213, 4511, 'Re: Trade Rules', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '98.222.82.216', 1, 0, '', '1. definition<br /><br />It makes literally no difference to the rules how this issue is resolved.&nbsp; We just need to decide on something so we can talk about trades in the rest of the rules.<br /><br />That said, I&#039;m putting my foot down and deciding once and for all that a trade is one team trading one player to one other team for one other player (neither of which can be captains).&nbsp; This is the most atomic definition and we can build rules based on that.<br /><br />2. quantity<br /><br />There doesn&#039;t need to be a reason why a captain [i]should[/i] make multiple trades.&nbsp; They can do whatever they want unless there&#039;s a good reason why they [i]shouldn&#039;t[/i], and the only reason pointed out why they shouldn&#039;t is because it would be confusing.&nbsp; And, indeed.<br /><br />I would be willing to put some moderate limit on trades so that someone cannot make 100 trades in a week.&nbsp; I think 3 would be a good number.&nbsp; This way, a captain can trade up to her entire team in a single week, but only once.<br /><br />3. type<br /><br />It sounds like we agree: If a team trades a player away (even to free agency), they cannot trade for that player again for the rest of the season.<br /><br />A second and new idea, to which you guys might be less responsive: if a team trades for a player (gets a player), they cannot trade that player away in the same week.&nbsp; This would prevent trading for a player for the sake of having a bargaining chip.&nbsp; This is a dirty-dealing practice with which we might be totally OK, but my aim is for captains to only trade for players that they want playing on their teams.<br /><br />4. quality<br /><br />What Mikehail said is incorrect, oxymoronic, and lacks argumentative support.&nbsp; An even league is a good thing, and therefore it is a good thing to make the league even; words like &quot;stagnate&quot; and &quot;mute&quot; don&#039;t mean anything in this context.<br /><br />Nevertheless, I am also against hard-coded preventions, and would merely note in the rules that the administration reserves the right to intervene in a ridiculous trade.<br /><br />5. fa cold period<br /><br />Mikehail, the rule suggestion has nothing to do with Strangle losing Nosturi.&nbsp; That is what the free agent substitution is for, which you thought was an excellent idea.&nbsp; The rule is about Bones gaining Nosturi and, more specifically, Clim [i]not[/i] gaining Nosturi [i]just because he tried to trade 30 seconds later.[/i]&nbsp; I don&#039;t think Clim should be punished for being a slower irc-reader than bones, or, if he were in the bathroom taking a shit, I don&#039;t think we should punish captains for shitting.&nbsp; That&#039;s not inactivity; it&#039;s nature.&nbsp; With this rule, Strangle would still be punished by losing Nosturi (permanently with the addition of #3), but Nosturi would go to the most deserving team.<br /><br />I think it should be 48 hours, and since we can&#039;t decide on whether early or late drafts are better, I think the FA should go to the team with the worst record.<br /><br />6. cool beans<br /><br />7. subs<br /><br />I am OK with two-times-you&#039;re-it.&nbsp; This might lead to captains picking different available subs each time to avoid having to trade.&nbsp; Also, when a captain has to trade, can they trade any player for the sub, even one that was present for both games?&nbsp; What if the sub steps in for the same player twice?<br /><br />8. blair<br /><br />If you use that god damn e character during an IDL game one more time, you will be banned from doom for life.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4652, 483, 16, 1314677623, 213, 4652, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'Fast, I updated your map as well as both of mine.&nbsp; I also added a mapinfo file to correct the skies and music, so crank up the midi!<br /><br />http://www.speedyshare.com/files/30098661/idlcon2011c.wad', 'xx', 1);
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	(6088, 583, 1, 1327533055, 145, 6088, 'Re: How old are you', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '188.28.198.28', 1, 0, '', '20 now', 'xx', 1);
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	(8281, 815, 17, 1360371285, 157, 8281, 'LIMITATION??', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.69.67', 1, 0, '', 'it&#039;s what it is, because I play with it daily. why don&#039;t you stop that paranoia already, its old. OR MAYBE THIS IS WATERMELON TALKING THROUGH LEGION&#039;S COMPUTER AND HE&#039;S BEEN BACKDOORED??????<br /><br />get real dude. I think the whole &quot;Not legitimate Doom&quot; is tired and played out, mostly because that is fully subjective.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8427, 811, 28, 1361032794, 36, 8427, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'HeX', 'mdvulture@yahoo.com', '75.16.103.188', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m no developer but I&#039;ll bring up my thoughts.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8232#msg8232 date=1360126296]<br />- needs a menu for the changing of enemy/teammate color (wasn&#039;t ralphis supposed to do this)[/quote]<br />I agree, but I think the reason it is not in yet is because the menu code is planned to be reorganized or something.<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8232#msg8232 date=1360126296]- movement prediction could be cleaner. ask dew for more details of his experience with this[/quote]<br />Details Dew please. The only issue I see is when players drop connection for a short time and then jolt across the map because Odamex is trying to catch them up.<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8232#msg8232 date=1360126296]- need some sort of centralized guide for the networking options. whether ingame or some online walkthrough, it would benefit everyone that has played or plans to play odamex[/quote] Other than changing &quot;Bandwidth&quot; to default to 6.0mbps, I think the default settings are fine. The only other warning people might want to know about is &quot;Predict Weapon Pickup&quot; ON is a double edged sword. It will allow you to pick up a weapon and switch to it sooner because the client is predicting the pickup and then the server is syncing it based on when you touched the pickup, so the server will allow you to change to it and shoot it without the delay of &quot;OK client, you picked up this weapon on my end, so I will send the info that you can switch to it and fire it.&quot; The issue with that is that if your client predicts you picked up the weapon but the server thinks you did not, then you get a desync. The only way to resolve the issue is to immediately snap to the weapon you are truly carrying and the frame you would be showing had you shot it normally.<br /><br />If you want pickups to behave the way it does in Zanzan, turn it off.<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8232#msg8232 date=1360126296]- at long ranges it seems that shots don&#039;t seem to hit. for example, sniping people with the chaingun through the fence on map26 of the idlwad appears to either sporadically function or not damage at all. I&#039;m all for keeping it oldschool but shots should hit 100% if they are aimed at the player. I dont know if this is caused by blockmap or some other issue, but it should be looked into[/quote]<br />Possibly the 2048 limit...?<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8232#msg8232 date=1360126296]- need a function to directly convert the mouse_sensitivity settings on one port to another.[/quote]<br />There is, set the mouse settings from Doom to ZDoom and bring in your mouse sensitivity just as you would bringing them from ZDaemon to Zandronum (or vice versa). The reason Doom is default is because the Odamex target audience is still oldschool Doomers that might want to bring in their settings from Vanilla Doom or Chocolate Doom. The ZDoom conversion function is just there to help those that have been playing the other ports adjust quicker.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8232#msg8232 date=1360126296]- autoaim is buggy.[/quote]<br />Intended behavior.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8876, 136, 1, 1365819425, 2313, 8876, 'Re: It''s coming', 'nub_hat', 'mikaelhhome@yahoo.dk', '93.167.8.70', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://puu.sh/2yYBZ[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8456, 834, 1, 1361296729, 2303, 8456, 'Would you play in the IJL?', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'If Jenova had a cash prize CTF tourney called the International Jenova League, would you sign up?', 'xx', 1);
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	(3263, 348, 14, 1295223544, 10, 3263, 'Re: W2011 Free Agents - Trade History - Waiver Wire', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[b]Berserker Packers[/b]<br />Sent Dawsonation to Free Agency; RedShirt signed from Free Agency (Week 2)', 'xx', 1);
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	(2267, 253, 12, 1281902505, 7, 2269, 'IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1281906289, 'Ralphis', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Conference Championships Week of IDL Winter 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=navy][International Doom Conference Championship - [MAP12 - IDC A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=navy][International Doom Conference Championship - [MAP12 - IDC B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][World Doom Conference Championship - [Map17 - WDC A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][World Doom Conference Championship - [MAP17 - WDC B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Electric Bills @ Super Chargers (Map 12)<br /><br />Berserker Packers @ Brokeback Cowboys (Map 17)<br />[/b]<br />=======================================================[/center]<br /><br />[i][size=1](thanks [s]Xen[/s]Ralph for putting this up originally)[/size][/i]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2270, 253, 12, 1281906520, 19, 2270, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', 'GGs SUC! Hope you fare well next season.<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/150810/1281906113.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/150810/1281906117.png[/img]<br /><br />Here&#039;s my demo for Ladna: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23816479/2010.08.15_16.37.58_idl2010h.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
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	(2271, 250, 12, 1281910232, 16, 2271, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championship Games (Aug 9 - Aug 15.)', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.103.108.238', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m so validated for being called an asshole. : )', 'xx', 1);
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	(2272, 243, 12, 1281910757, 167, 2272, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'mandolore', 'doom.candy@yahoo.com', '67.161.13.77', 1, 0, '', '[color=blue]INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE[/color]<br />Whiteboy<br />Joshsmith<br />Ralphis<br />Rottking<br />Tai<br /><br />[color=red]World Doom Conference [/color]<br />Nostar<br />Mikehail<br />RussianDumbass<br />Stallion<br />Mantis-X', 'xx', 1);
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	(8357, 815, 17, 1360821253, 15, 8357, 'Re: LIMITATION??', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '216.246.246.103', 1, 0, '', 'tl;dr<br /><br />From what I understand this thread is about being able to shoot someone who is 2048 units away.&nbsp; Bro, you can&#039;t shoot someone who is 1 unit in front of you, and you&#039;re complaining about someone who&#039;s across the fucking map?&nbsp; If someone is 2048 units away from you they deserve to fucking cap.&nbsp; Learn how to shoot.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7330, 717, 17, 1345462796, 2278, 7330, 'Compilation Debate', 'zzzz', 'zzzz@mailinator.com', '62.63.86.128', 1, 1345463234, 'zzzz', 'Guys, may I ask you a question? Why do you need to compile a wad (idlcontest, idl2013) at all? This is pointless now that you use Odamex.', 'question', 1);
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	(3253, 372, 3, 1295075993, 89, 3253, 'Re: Hiya', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.189.42', 1, 0, '', 'manixa is a gay name, legion sounds better.<br /><br />hi tk', 'xx', 1);
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	(3379, 383, 14, 1297278805, 19, 3392, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 7 - Feb 13) : ZDE01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.178', 1, 1297539855, 'Xenaero', 'It&#039;s time to hoop, so shoot baby, shoot.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/dUyD8.png[/img][/center]<br />The Niners have been doing well in recent weeks, with the Panthers on the opposite end of the spectrum, an inverse record of 1-4 compared to the Niners&#039; 4-1. It&#039;s going to be tough for the Panthers to pull through with morale as low as it seems. A weakness of the Niners always seems to be middle play. This week&#039;s map revolves around such play. Will the Panthers pull it together? Despite their star power [b]I see the Niners pulling away with another victory.[/b]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/J0lcy.png[/img][/center]<br />Earlier this morning Doom League News caught Cowboys offensive star Cantabrigian &quot;Lord&quot; British for a few words regarding the Packers&#039; earlier press conference ensuring victory for their team. What we can&#039;t share is not fit for public audiences, but what we can share is a quote directed towards current flag leader Jenova:<br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/heQ3i.png[/img]<br />There you have it. With any luck, British will not drop dead of a stroke before the game and we will see if he can capitalize on those words.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/f0XQl.png[/img][/center]<br />Unfortunately, it looks like the Steelers&#039; playoff hopes are dimming. To make matters worse, the Eagles come off a fresh win on a frag map and look to capitalize on their frag prowess in a similarly frag-oriented map. This is the type of map [b]I expect the Eagles to excel in and bring in a quick victory over the Steelers.[/b]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/BZiSs.png[/img][/center]<br />I expect this to be an interesting game. The Colts have been bringing it together as of late. With the addition of Beast, will the Colts be stronger than before when faced with the notorious team of evil men led by RussianDumbass? The Vikings haven&#039;t been looking too hot, but with the importance of a good runner here coupled with decent cover I think the [b]Vikings will pull ahead this week and eliminate their loss streak.[/b]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/TtKFX.png[/img][/center]<br />Is this the start of a bad last half of the season for the Chargers? Their defeat last week was in no small part to teammate Joshsmith not showing for the titanic clash that was to be. With Josh presumably ready for the fight this week against the Bills, all that remains is to address the sudden disappearance of their captain...Can the Bills take advantage of this? I think even if Ralph doesn&#039;t show, the Chargers have the team lineup advantage. If Higgs doesn&#039;t surprise us yet again with a stellar performance, [b]I believe the Chargers will make up for last week&#039;s loss.[/b]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/d3ugj.png[/img][/center]<br />Come on, Goat. :/', 'xx', 1);
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	(3636, 398, 14, 1299229846, 75, 3636, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.180.128', 1, 0, '', 'why the hateful words, rust? :( we would&#039;ve accepted your opinions even without the tough act, you don&#039;t have to pretend you are a mean person. those people you are insulting could be your teammates next season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3813, 410, 14, 1300338888, 7, 3813, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '38.109.187.5', 1, 0, '', 'Dude Fast I am dying.&nbsp; You need to get a website or something.<br /><br />Re: abuse - not really.&nbsp; Jenova yoinked his spot the other day and Nostar yoinked it back.&nbsp; From what Nostar says Jenova kept re-joining the server before Nostar could join after he was kicked, so Nostar banned him, joined, then unbanned.&nbsp; It kind of worked out, as Jenova&#039;s IRC commentary (via refreshing ZLauncher) was excellent.<br /><br />Bones: Too bad you are banned from ZD forums!&nbsp; Bahahahahaha.<br /><br />Jenova: Yeah again, we could do with a lot less server.&nbsp; Then again, plenty of people complain about TT as it is, so I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m comfortable moving down... even though I&#039;m sure it has nothing to do with TT itself.&nbsp; You might also want to take a look at [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=171.msg1783#msg1783]this post[/url] where I talk a little about why Chicago is the best place for a default IDL server.&nbsp; If you can find a $40 well-provisioned (like not an Atom or something gay) dedicated server in Chicago with reasonable uplink and enough bandwidth... I say you get it and host some IDL servers!<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=410.msg3800#msg3800 date=1300333636]<br />Sturdy, strong, sassy servers.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />rofl.&nbsp; Also if anyone was told they can&#039;t run IDL servers, it wasn&#039;t me.&nbsp; If you (or anyone else) are interested, e-mail me or whatever.&nbsp; It&#039;s seriously not hard, Unfy does it like, every time a season starts.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3801#msg3801 date=1300333790]<br />He&#039;s trying to defend himself by saying he didn&#039;t leave,<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Incorrect:<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=410.msg3780#msg3780 date=1300316312]<br />You mean I left in my off season...which was the beginning of school, AND I moved.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />He freely admits he left in the offseason.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3801#msg3801 date=1300333790]<br />but having faggots like you come in and intervene in our forum conversation while he overlooks my post just proves that he left because Jenova hurt his feelings.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=410.msg3772#msg3772 date=1300296693]<br />I just hope you know that no one would probably be here to your defense if you didn&#039;t have control over these servers.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />1.) Correlation does not equal causation.<br />2.) This thread is called &quot;Free Wins...&quot;, so I&#039;d say you intervened in the conversation the rest of IDL was having, if you think this thread is to figure out exactly what Nostar did during the Fall of &#039;10.<br />3.) Stallion seems to think that it would be appropriate for people to &quot;intervene&quot; in this issue, however he maintains that no one would do so if Nostar didn&#039;t control TT.&nbsp; If thus posting is in fact inappropriate, how would you suggest I register a dissenting opinion?&nbsp; Or are you saying that you&#039;d rather have your post &quot;overlooked&quot;?<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3801#msg3801 date=1300333790]<br />but when he avoided answering a specific part of my post twice, that pretty much says it all.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />1.) Negative-proof fallacy, basically you can never prove a negative.<br />2.) Argument from silence<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3801#msg3801 date=1300333790]<br />And yeah, I never expected him to respond back actually, I never even expected him to actually explain anything(or anyone for that matter) so I don&#039;t even know where you got the idea that I thought people had to explain anything to me.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s difficult to not get that impression when you say things like:<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3791#msg3791 date=1300319922]<br />Then explain why you weren&#039;t in the IDL channel, you did explain everything else but that.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />&quot;Then explain&quot; is an imperative statement, commanding the subject to take a specific action - in this case, to explain why Nostar was not in #idl.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3791#msg3791 date=1300319922]<br />You definitely should stay in school for at least 10 more years since all the years you have now isn&#039;t enough for you to properly make a rebuttal of any sort<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m quite capable (with the help of Wikipedia) of refuting shitty arguments properly, it&#039;s just not as funny.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(3947, 422, 16, 1303454251, 10, 3947, 'IDL SIGNUP FAQ', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=6][u][b]-=THE IDL SIGNUP GUIDE=-[/b][/u][/size][/center]<br /><br />*[size=5][u][b]What is the IDL?[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />The International Doom League, commonly referred to as the IDL, is the largest and longest enduring Doom CTF league in the world. The IDL is made up of twelve teams, in two conferences, the International Doom Conference (IDC) and the World Doom Conference (WDC), each with two divisions of three teams. <br /><br />Games are played in a best-of-3 format with 3 players on each team. The regular season lasts nine weeks with an additional three weeks of playoff contention. All teams that win their divisions enter the playoffs as well as two additional wild card teams from each conference.<br /><br />*[size=5][u][b]What do I need to play in the IDL?[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />The first and most crucial part of the package you need is a copy of doom2.wad, which can be bought from idsoftware or through Steam.<br /><br />Then you&#039;ll need to grab ZDaemon (http://zdaemon.org) and set it all up so that it&#039;s running.<br /><br />Next you&#039;ll probably want to get your hands on an IRC client and point it to irc.quakenet.org so that you can communicate with the player base. This involves getting involved in private ctf games (not broadcast on the ZDaemon master server) where the best players play often. Once in the IRC channel, you can ask for the server address and password.<br /><br />*[size=5][u][b]Am I guaranteed to get onto a team if I sign up?[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />No. As a matter of fact, you aren&#039;t even guaranteed entry into the league. However, don&#039;t be discouraged! It&#039;s much easier to get invited than you might think. While a forum sign-up post will certainly help your cause, nothing will get you into the IDL faster than visiting the IRC channel and playing in private CTF. The league takes these precautions because of past players who have signed up on the forums and no-showed once the season began.<br /><br />Players who are invited and accept are then entered in the free agency pool. A few weeks before the season begins, captains will draft 32 players from the pool to their teams. Any left over players remain in free agency and can be picked up by a team until roughly mid-way through the season.<br /><br />*[size=5][u][b]How many roster spots are there?[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />The IDL is currently in a 12-team format, which will allows for 48 roster spots. Of course, being the fourth man on certain teams does not guarantee a starting role, but your chances are certainly better than in the past. Last season, over half of the teams saw a fourth man take over starting duties throughout the season.', 'angry', 1);
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	(4558, 483, 16, 1313272972, 3, 4558, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Alright, getting pretty close to done I think. So I can submit it at any time on August 15th? Not trying to pull an 11:59 here, could probably get it done by then.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2275, 254, 1, 1281915796, 75, 2275, 'Re: Most Heroic IDL games', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.180.96', 1, 0, '', 'haha, i was the flagroom defence on that one. i was jumping in my chair whenever i heard some shots, but luckily it was mikefail running against me and he was like &#039;noooo spare me pls ;(((&#039;', 'xx', 1);
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	(2277, 254, 1, 1281922288, 10, 2277, 'Re: Most Heroic IDL games', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Winter 07 - Sabertooth makes a score at 00:00 on the timer to send the WDC wildcard playoff game into a fourth round, eventually helping lead his team to victory.<br /><br />Summer 07 - Chewy makes a 00:00 score on Oda02 to hand TSF one of their only two losses of the season. Also, CMS (RottKing, Doomguy, Dosu) have two huge upsets to go to MasterBowl II.<br /><br />Winter 08 - The Flag Steelers (Xen, Doomguy, Oath) hand TBA their only loss late in the season on map08. Razzle Dazzled. Oh yea, VGR over the historic PAK? Holy shit yea.<br /><br />Summer 08 - DPT defeats two favorites back to back in the playoffs as they knock off CTB and WAD. Oath saves the game against WAD by killing Chewy about two players&#039; lengths from the flag. They go on to MasterBowl IV.<br /><br />There&#039;s like a ton of them but I have to go. These are some of the favorites off the top of my head.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6333, 619, 20, 1330445446, 61, 6333, 'Re: yo yo', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '199.197.66.1', 1, 0, '', 'Blair I think you are trying too hard. First off, what on earth are &quot;apprentices&quot; when it comes to trying to make worthwhile CTF maps? If I were simply looking for a bunch of yes-man answers or only positive comments when testing, I simply wouldn&#039;t have done so to begin with. The fact that other people actively tested and offered more than just &quot;help, I can get spawn camped!&quot; means they were already over that fact of Doom life and made suggestions on more important gameplay aspects.<br /><br />Second, it&#039;s no coincidence the fact there are people like you in this league--now or ever--is a bigger indicator of this league&#039;s probable demise :D', 'xx', 1);
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	(8358, 815, 17, 1360821704, 157, 8358, 'Re: LIMITATION??', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.65.11', 1, 0, '', 'learn how to read first', 'xx', 1);
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	(2299, 257, 1, 1282256505, 205, 2299, 'Re: fancy fuckin ctf', 'STINKBOMB', 'vandergriftmachine@gmail.com', '99.91.199.144', 1, 0, '', 'White bread,Fuck yeah theirs going to be gators plus crocodiles and pre Jurassic reptiles.<br /><br />Is that James Woods from Salvador ?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2306, 254, 1, 1282279982, 20, 2306, 'Re: Most Heroic IDL games', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.93.170', 1, 0, '', 'That&#039;s really strange... I was almost 100% sure it went to at least 4 rounds... Boo&nbsp; :&#039;(', 'xx', 1);
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	(3254, 372, 3, 1295076050, 1328, 3254, 'Re: Hiya', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '69.126.162.4', 1, 0, '', 'So it begins. A3 is now infesting ZD. I can not find any peace from you people.<br /><br />3 points for attention whoring.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3393, 383, 14, 1297557621, 2, 3393, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 7 - Feb 13) : ZDE01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.42.5', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_IKcMl_a9A]GG&#039;s SXP, you guys kicked our butts![/url]<br /><br />[URL=http://img27.imageshack.us/i/ctf20110212161926.png/][IMG]http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/3343/ctf20110212161926.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img716.imageshack.us/i/ctf20110212162740.png/][IMG]http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/7269/ctf20110212162740.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3637, 398, 14, 1299251783, 163, 3637, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.67.243.70', 1, 0, '', 'He&#039;s from Texas, Dew. That&#039;s just how they speak &#039;round those parts.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3814, 410, 14, 1300339128, 19, 3814, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.249.152', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3798#msg3798 date=1300331485]<br />Xenaero........ don&#039;t make me take yr name off the IDL credits footer...................<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You can&#039;t do that, it violates our contract!<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=410.msg3806#msg3806 date=1300335665]<br />This thread makes me jizz!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Please leave and never come back, ever.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=410.msg3808#msg3808 date=1300336832]<br />Here, I might as well add the [b]large[/b] strain on my machine from running 4 zdaemon servers, apache, and a bunch of other shit:<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/PTVAA.png[/img]<br /><br />Holy fuck, at this rate I think I&#039;m gonna need a second one just to run 4 more IDL servers!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />While I think Nostar can be a total jerk at times, you&#039;re kind of taking this too far. This really isn&#039;t a fair post to be honest, because Totaltrash hosts a ton of shit that can be potentially load-heavy to the box and it&#039;s been proven in the recent past that reboots have been needed. You of all people having managed a server know this. I know this as well, in case you forgot I managed RN and we ran both an extensive ZDaemon set and Skulltag just ATE UP resources like mad, not to mention other non-doom related things we had installed and running.<br /><br />But I digress, what are we arguing about exactly anymore? Who is the biggest jerk between Nostar and Jenova?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2278, 254, 1, 1281927799, 0, 2278, 'Re: Most Heroic IDL games', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 0, '', 'Here&#039;s another, I&#039;m not gonna lie TNT or TNMT whatever you want to call it sucked.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think all the players on our team were really that bad but for whatever reason it just never worked out as a team.&nbsp; Even when we got Kandy Kid later in the season our string of losses pretty much continued.<br /><br />[img]http://a.imageshack.us/img69/6396/somvstnt.png[/img]<br /><br />Again another strong opening but after that TNT crumbled losing the next two rounds 5-0 and 4-1.&nbsp; TNT put up a lot of good individual rounds through the season with ties, and close games but we could never manage to win full series regularly.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8430, 811, 28, 1361061873, 8, 8430, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[quote]Intended behavior.[/quote]<br />[quote]terrible. can there at least be an option to alter/svar/something for odamex/idl?[/quote]<br /><br />I agree that autoaim should probably work or we should take the option out of the menu.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4292, 455, 16, 1310084901, 15, 4292, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '184.144.174.107', 1, 0, '', 'I can&#039;t believe your logic on this one star, really.&nbsp; The only reason I can see you defending hatred for this one is because he&#039;s ur [NS] butt buddy.&nbsp; Saber for Dr.Noob..... That&#039;s all I&#039;m gonna say, and all that needs to be said regarding this trade.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4202, 448, 18, 1308885449, 19, 4202, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 20 - Jun 26) : ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.141.116', 1, 0, '', 'Better get these postedb efore lightning strikes my house and electrocutes me<br /><br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/vr9Xg.png[/img]<br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5HRK1.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8457, 834, 1, 1361296982, 145, 8457, 'Re: Would you play in the IJL?', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.143.203.39', 1, 0, '', 'Hell yeah I would, esports career here I come', 'xx', 1);
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	(3255, 372, 3, 1295101845, 145, 3255, 'Re: Hiya', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '188.28.102.204', 1, 0, '', 'Welcome to Zdaemon and IDL, prepare to work alot harder than them skulltag scrims you do.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2280, 246, 1, 1281930461, 209, 2280, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '71.71.213.43', 1, 1281931088, 'AlexMax', 'Hi everybody.<br /><br />I actually had been asking around the ZDaemon community for an audience with Kilgore, since I thought that some of the things I did post-banning were supremely dickish.&nbsp; But reading over this thread, it&#039;s actually kind of scary how bad things have gotten in the community proper, and it kinda reassures me that I did the right thing when I went out like Ralphis did.&nbsp; I mean, not to pimp Skulltag to a bunch of dedicated ZDaemon players, but take a look at this:<br /><br />[url=http://skulltag.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=77&amp;t=26571]Holy Shit Clicky Clicky[/url]<br /><br />Public betas!&nbsp; Source control!&nbsp; A nice friendly developer (&lt;3 Torr Samaho)!&nbsp; And if you take a look at the most recent beta (98d-2878) you&#039;ll see a few features that were implemented that were taken from source code contributions (because of the 97c2 source release).&nbsp; The community itself is...well...it&#039;s hit or miss to be honest, and there are some things I&#039;m not a fan of, but I don&#039;t get anywhere near the douche chills that I get from reading about ZDaemon in 2010.&nbsp; Nor can I recall anyone who is banned over a grudge from five years ago.&nbsp; Hell, even ALMN is unbanned these days.<br /><br />And what do you know, anytime I am on any other internet forum and the topic of Doom somehow comes up, Skulltag seems to be the one that always gets pimped in terms of multiplayer ports.&nbsp; What do you know, constant updates and a non-overbearing administration can grow your community!<br /><br />I do have a question though.&nbsp; I&#039;ve kinda lost interest in CTF and I mainly work on DUEL32 and play the occasional game.&nbsp; However, the best duelers, as far as I know, still hang out in ZDaemon.&nbsp; How much action does the TT Duel server get (is there one?), and does the ZDDL use it?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2281, 243, 12, 1281932483, 163, 2281, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'I love how I&#039;ve gone from being some peoples&#039; top all-star to others not even voting! Glad to you people care!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3638, 398, 14, 1299269281, 214, 3638, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.68.75.77', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=398.msg3636#msg3636 date=1299229846]<br />why the hateful words, rust? :( we would&#039;ve accepted your opinions even without the tough act, you don&#039;t have to pretend you are a mean person. those people you are insulting could be your teammates next season!<br />[/quote]<br />Hateful? Hardly. I&#039;m just bustin&#039; balls and doubt anyone would get their feelings hurt over what I said. Perhaps Kilgore&#039;s avatar is affecting me? As for next season, I&#039;m not playing IDL again until it moves to Odamex or ZD gets a proper netcode.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4409, 478, 16, 1312220926, 37, 4409, 'Re: Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '68.42.108.176', 1, 0, '', 'itt: [img]http://i.imgur.com/azTQG.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3815, 410, 14, 1300339384, 7, 3816, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '38.109.187.5', 1, 1300339777, 'Ladna', 'Actually, hooray, more IDL servers!&nbsp; Where are they?<br /><br />EDIT:&nbsp; Also:<br /><br />[font=courier][idl@chicago ~]$ uptime<br />01:24:07 up 568 days,&nbsp; 8:48,&nbsp; 1 user,&nbsp; load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00<br />[idl@chicago ~]$[/font]<br /><br />568 days is a pretty long time.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if we&#039;ve ever rebooted TT... even once.&nbsp; We&#039;ve stopped everything on it and restarted it, but I don&#039;t think the server&#039;s ever crashed or anything.&nbsp; On the other hand:<br /><br />[font=courier]01:27:05 up 249 days,&nbsp; 8:51,&nbsp; 1 user,&nbsp; load average: 0.56, 0.16, 0.11[/font]<br /><br />That&#039;s the VPS that hosts all the sites &amp; WADs, with significant&nbsp; (but not at all bad) load average there.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3948, 400, 1, 1303454423, 46, 3948, 'Re: For my fans...', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '97.120.226.146', 1, 0, '', 'Crazy', 'xx', 1);
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	(4203, 448, 18, 1308891740, 163, 4203, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 20 - Jun 26) : ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.24.2', 1, 0, '', 'Welp.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4293, 455, 16, 1310097008, 27, 4293, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'CabooseA7X', 'Theron.Stein@gmail.com', '98.243.212.191', 1, 0, '', 'ROFL HATRED RAGE QUIT IDL. HYPOCRITE :DDDDDD', 'xx', 1);
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	(4653, 496, 18, 1314677636, 17, 4653, 'Re: Season 10 / Summer 2011 Playoffs - MASTERBOWL X - Discussion and Results ', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '69.245.157.115', 1, 0, '', 'Monochrome vs Fabulous Rainbows<br /><br />Place your bets now.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4704, 483, 16, 1315384678, 137, 4704, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Collision_', 'zdcollision@gmail.com', '99.239.162.46', 1, 0, '', 'and iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii helped', 'xx', 1);
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	(4712, 503, 16, 1315413239, 213, 4712, 'IDL Map Contest Voting (bigctf.wad)', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'Read below post before voting!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6334, 619, 20, 1330447928, 163, 6334, 'Re: yo yo', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '108.73.171.245', 1, 0, '', 'Smartctf01 actually turned out to be okay and I enjoyed it a bit. Smartctf02, on the other hand, is not so hot. It might be a good map in 4v4 but when I played it a few times with Bones before the entire wad was compiled in 3v3, it was simply not a good time. I initially thought the same thing about SmartCTF01 but once I got on TS with a team, the live communication made it an enjoyable map. I don&#039;t think a Fastidious on-sale hooker giving you a hand-job while being on TS could do the same for SmartCTF02.<br /><br />Overall, I&#039;m not going to complain a ton about some of the newer maps. The IDL generally rotates maps in and out and the IDLcontest.wad was awesome. My only real complaint is that some pretty good maps got nuked in the process when there were others that could have probably gone. Personally, I wouldn&#039;t have cared if Map09 and Map15 went out instead of Map07 and Map30. But such is life. That being said...<br /><br />[quote=&quot;Chain&quot;]one good thing Ralphis has done lately is actually compile a non-shitty version of the IDL WAD. Stuff like this is no easy task just in terms of keeping textures from menstruating, let alone ensuring the maps work as intended (splash damage, nodes, etc). Board, get over yourselves, and just accept that if someone in the player base does a better job or offers a better alternative, suck it up and roll with it (after thorough vetting/testing of course).[/quote]<br /><br />I pretty much agree with this. The Ralph version had a working map04, a bearable version of map32, the original &quot;broken 28 2-spawn&quot; and did not include a few other less-desirable maps. This is one thing I wish the board would have backed off on because the wad Ralph originally offered was far better and generally more accepted from the majority of the player base. <br /><br />Rust is also right about ProCTF. That map is stupid. <br /><br />I admit I have not been a huge fan of the board this season but there were some good things accomplished. For starters, the board made it a priority to get one of the most balanced captain pools the IDL has ever seen (in recent times at least). Props for that, I&#039;m sure it wasn&#039;t an easy task. I already mentioned the IDL contest wad, which featured 3 maps in the new wad with a few more maps in that contest wad that should be considered for future versions. <br /><br />Overall, I don&#039;t want to get into the politics of how the board represents themselves because it&#039;s already been mentioned on how they haven&#039;t always conducted themselves well. I&#039;m sure I&#039;ll have more to add later but honestly, I&#039;m trying to win a championship and practicing and improving those chances for my team is my priority right now. Maybe I&#039;ll have more to contribute after I&#039;m hoisting the trophy. ;)<br /><br /> ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7088, 684, 22, 1340410249, 2084, 7088, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'EmZee712', 'Aishiteru712@yahoo.com', '98.218.137.45', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Sabertooth link=topic=684.msg7073#msg7073 date=1340243637]<br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=684.msg7072#msg7072 date=1340242548]<br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=684.msg7069#msg7069 date=1340226821]<br />[quote]ItalianStallion[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=684.msg7068#msg7068 date=1340226624]<br />Can&#039;t wait to get into the grind with my boy saber. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=684.msg7068#msg7068 date=1340226624]<br />b0yz 4 lyfe<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/I0kID.gif[/img]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I LOVE IT<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I had no idea Shane was black.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ve always been black, and just like the black people I will be oppressed by all the other higher ranking white officials until eventually I show my superiority and conquer the entire competition using merely the colour of my skin to test your moral standards. I&#039;ll also march on yo bitch ass.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6643, 643, 21, 1333753047, 8, 6643, 'Spring 2012 Draft Results', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 1333757934, 'HumanBones', '# | Player | Team<br />[hr]<br />[b]CAPTAINS[/b]<br />CP	Legion	Boxers and Dooming<br />CP	dewww	Moon Dolphins<br />CP	SoulSucka	Chaingun Rangers<br />CP	MassVC	Gotcha! City Goofballs<br />[hr]<br />[b]ROUND 1[/b]<br />01 Reckless&nbsp;  Boxers and Dooming<br />02 Godsdoomer Moon Dolphins<br />03 Watermelon Chaingun Rangers<br />04 Dawsonation Gotcha! City Goofballs<br />[b]ROUND 2[/b]<br />05 MadV Gotcha! City Goofballs<br />06 Slyfox Chaingun Rangers<br />07 Roscoe Moon Dolphins<br />08 MionicDonut Boxers and Dooming<br />[b]ROUND 3[/b]<br />09 Stipsi Boxers and Dooming<br />10 Capodecima Moon Dolphins<br />11 Majik Chaingun Rangers<br />12 Merk Gotcha! City Goofballs<br />[hr]<br />[b]Remaining Free Agents[/b]<br /><br />Dannyboy<br />Spider<br />Zoltar', 'xx', 1);
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	(2282, 246, 1, 1281937120, 2, 2282, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.52.171', 1, 0, '', 'skulltag is for faggots plz get outta my thread', 'xx', 1);
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	(2283, 246, 1, 1281946193, 35, 2283, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', 'If i want quake like gameplay(or coop) i&#039;d download skulltag! If i want doom like gameplay, I&#039;d download ZDAEMON!!! SO GET THE FUCK OUT ALEXANDER!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3256, 371, 1, 1295104763, 49, 3256, 'Re: Demo Playback - Incorrect Password', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s also like this if the server is full', 'xx', 1);
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	(2285, 246, 1, 1281999447, 61, 2285, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '76.204.99.213', 1, 0, '', 'Alex go post that shit in the SICL forums.<br /><br />Oh wait...', 'xx', 1);
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	(3816, 410, 14, 1300339649, 30, 3816, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '24.209.160.160', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3815#msg3815 date=1300339384]<br />Actually, hooray, more IDL servers!&nbsp; Where are they?<br /><br />EDIT:&nbsp; Also:<br /><br />[font=courier][idl@chicago ~]$ uptime<br /> 01:24:07 up 568 days,&nbsp; 8:48,&nbsp; 1 user,&nbsp; load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00<br />[idl@chicago ~]$[/font]<br /><br />568 days is a pretty long time.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if we&#039;ve ever rebooted TT... even once.&nbsp; We&#039;ve stopped everything on it and restarted it, but I don&#039;t think the server&#039;s ever crashed or anything.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />they are up and soon will be mine but they need to be listed as official so they can be used officially', 'xx', 1);
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	(3392, 365, 14, 1297539501, 2, 3528, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.41.134', 1, 1297891030, 'mikefails', 'The following is the list of still missing demos from Week 4.&nbsp; Please upload them as soon as possible or face penalties.<br /><br />[size=5][b]Week 4 Missing Demos:[/b][/size]<br />KGB: -<br />BSK: -<br />SPE: -<br />KNF: Dosu<br />DMC: -<br />TKV: -<br />SXP: -<br />SUC: Reckless<br />FLS: -<br />EBL: -<br />BBC: -<br />DMR: -<br /><br />The following is the list of still missing demos from Week 5.&nbsp; Please upload them as soon as possible or face penalties.<br /><br />[size=5][b]Week 5 Missing Demos:[/b][/size]<br />KGB: -<br />BSK: -<br />SPE: -<br />KNF: Dosu<br />DMC: Caboose<br />TKV: -<br />SXP: Humanbones<br />SUC: -<br />FLS: -<br />EBL: -<br />BBC: -<br />DMR: -', 'xx', 1);
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	(3530, 388, 14, 1297914667, 49, 3530, 'Re: Pre-Pre-Post-Season Predictions Predictions', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', 'Posting just to add to the hockey avatars', 'xx', 1);
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	(3554, 391, 14, 1298188108, 10, 3638, 'W2011 Homefield Map Selection', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1299274465, 'nostar', 'It&#039;s map selection time. Teams select in reverse order of the first round of the pre-season draft. Any map from the IDL wad may be selected, only by one team, with the exception of this season&#039;s MasterBowl map (Map26).<br /><br />Map selections will be posted as they are made.<br /><br />[hr]<br />1. Berserker Packers (ZDCTF04 - MAP04)<br />2. Electric Bills (ZDU30 - MAP30)<br />3. Brokeback Cowboys (ZDU19 - MAP29)<br />4. Super Chargers (CHAOS11 - MAP28)<br />5. Techno Vikings (THIRTY4-17 - MAP17)<br />6. Fnordy Niners (ODA02 - MAP02)<br />7. Demonic Colts (THIRTY7-22 - MAP22)<br />8. Sexual Panthers (THIRTY4-31 - MAP31)<br />9. Flag Steelers (ZDCTF01 - MAP01)<br />10. Spread Eagles (MAP06)<br />11. Killing Browns (ZDECTF01 - MAP20)<br />[s]12. Doom Raiders [/s]<br />[hr]<br /><br />IDL-R<br />[hr]<br />1. Splash Damage Dolphins (ZDCTF01 - MAP01)<br />2. Spreehawks (ZDCTF11 - MAP11)<br />3. Tourettes Skins (CC11 - MAP28)<br />4. Bang Broncos (ZDECTF2:01 - MAP20)<br />5. Splatterday Saints (32in24-4:31 - MAP31)<br />6. Hot Wax Bengals (MADCTF:11 - MAP06)<br />[hr]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4294, 455, 16, 1310099909, 89, 4294, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.241.27.15', 1, 0, '', 'He&#039;s practicing right now...', 'xx', 1);
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	(4073, 436, 18, 1306085635, 8, 4082, 'Summer 2011 Draft Results', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '24.147.28.219', 1, 1306136386, 'Goatface', '# | Player | Team<br />[hr]<br />[b]CAPTAINS[/b]<br />CP	Legion	Flag Steelers<br />CP	ThatsJustPrime	Brokeback Cowboys<br />CP	MassVC	Spread Eagles<br />CP	Nautilus	Demonic Colts<br />CP	Climhazzard 	Berserker Packers<br />CP	LordBritish 	Doom Raiders<br />CP	HumanBones	Sexual Panthers<br />CP	Hatred	Electric Bills<br />CP	Tai 	Killing Browns<br />CP	RussianDumbass&nbsp;  Techno Vikings<br />CP&nbsp; &nbsp;  Strangle 	Fnordy Niners<br />CP	Ralphis	Super Chargers<br />[hr]<br />[b]ROUND 1[/b]<br />01 Chewy&nbsp; Flag Steelers<br />02 ItalianStallion Brokeback Cowboys<br />03 Nostar Spread Eagles	<br />04 Sabertooth Demonic Colts<br />05 Gilgamesh Berserker Packers<br />06 Mikehail Doom Raiders<br />07 Killingblair Sexual Panthers<br />08 Mantis-X Electric Bills<br />09 Bloodstrike Killing Browns<br />10 X-Ray Techno Vikings<br />11 Gyrossman Fnordy Niners<br />12 Xenaero Super Chargers<br />[hr]	<br />[b]ROUND 2[/b]<br />13 RustInPeace Super Chargers<br />14 Nosturi Fnordy Niners<br />15 TurSKA Techno Vikings<br />16 Junior Killing Browns<br />17 Mobius Electric Bills<br />18 Killforce Sexual Panthers<br />19 DR_Noob Doom Raiders<br />20 Goatface Berserker Packers<br />21 Capodecima Demonic Colts<br />22 Collision Spread Eagles<br />23 Dew Brokeback Cowboys<br />24 Mandolore Flag Steelers<br />[hr]<br />[b]ROUND 3[/b]<br />25 Godlike Flag Steelers<br />26 MadV Brokeback Cowboys<br />27 Reckless Spread Eagles<br />28 Devisin Demonic Colts<br />29 SwiftShot Berserker Packers<br />30 Bulb Doom Raiders<br />31 Tobi Sexual Panthers<br />32 StinkBomb Electric Bills<br />33 Soul Sucka Killing Browns<br />34 Killemall Techno Vikings<br />35 Marax Fnordy Niners<br />36 Asgar Super Chargers<br />[hr]<br /><br />[b]Remaining Free Agents[/b]<br /><br />Dawsonation<br />Godsdoomer<br />HydrasFire<br />Megasonic<br />Nati46<br />Reaper<br />Rexn0r<br />Souler<br />Tavion<br /><br />Divisions after the draft and the trade:<br /><br />[u][b]IDC North[/b][/u]<br /><br />Techno Vikings: RussianDumbass, X-Ray, TurSKA, Killemall<br />Killing Browns: Tai, BloodStrike, Junior, Soul Sucka<br />Electric Bills: Hatred, Mantis-X, Mobius, StinkBomb<br /><br />[u][b]IDC South[/b][/u]<br /><br />Super Chargers: Ralphis, Xenaero, RustInPeace, Asgar<br />Demonic Colts: Nautilus, Sabertooth, Capodecima, Devisin<br />Doom Raiders: LordBritish, Nostar, Collision, Bulb<br /><br />[b][u]WDC East[/u][/b]<br /><br />Berserker Packers: Climhazzard, Gilgamesh, Goatface, Swiftshot<br />Sexual Panthers: HumanBones, Killingblair, Killforce, Tobi<br />Spread Eagles: MassVC, mikehail, DR_Noob, Reckless<br /><br />[u][b]WDC West[/b][/u]<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys: ThatsJustPrime, ItalianStallion, Dew, MadV<br />Fnordy Niners: Strangle, Gyrossman, Nosturi, Marax<br />Flag Steelers: Legion, Chewy, Mandolore, Godlike', 'xx', 1);
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	(4072, 435, 18, 1306079917, 10, 4072, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 0, '', 'I guess my thing is, you guys could&#039;ve spent more time trying to figure out how to get another 5-10 players for this season rather than coming up with a different draft order (less than two days before the draft mind you) that nobody really cared for anyway.<br /><br />There was no urgent reason to change the draft order with such short notice before this season. <br /><br />ALSO, just because I named a commissioner or nominated certain board members doesn&#039;t mean I am always in agreement with them.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8793, 870, 17, 1364267934, 2303, 8793, 'Re: ThatsJustPrime is New Board Member', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'Congrats', 'xx', 1);
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	(4410, 478, 16, 1312224406, 1328, 4410, 'Re: Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '173.2.45.53', 1, 1312224699, 'Mobius', '[quote=Jenova]being born with a big dick[/quote]<br /><br />I challenge this claim right here. Provide evidence, or I will claim yea.jpg superior by default.<br /><br />Also, Jenova. You aren&#039;t going to be the best for long, as my research discovered a new contender for the position of MB next season.<br /><br />[b]DAWSONATION[/b]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/8nRy8.png[/img]<br /><br />Stats don&#039;t lie', 'xx', 1);
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	(7089, 687, 22, 1340411198, 216, 7089, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.128.91', 1, 0, '', 'should prob stop spamming the free agency thread with stupid comments and pictures, just sayin', 'xx', 1);
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	(8877, 136, 1, 1365829165, 157, 8877, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.170.7.139', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/QSy91yX.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2286, 246, 1, 1282003135, 209, 2286, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '71.71.213.43', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=246.msg2285#msg2285 date=1281999447]<br />Alex go post that shit in the SICL forums.<br /><br />Oh wait...<br />[/quote]<br /><br />FYI you could have just pruned that joke down to<br /><br />[quote author=Chain link=topic=246.msg2285#msg2285 date=1281999447]<br />SICL<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2287, 246, 1, 1282005765, 73, 2287, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'lol whats a SICL.<br /><br /><br />Oh wait I&#039;m in that too, hahah', 'xx', 1);
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	(2288, 246, 1, 1282018152, 7, 2288, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'rofl IDL is awesome.<br /><br />Alex I agree Skulltag is less dysfunctional than ZDaemon is, but that&#039;s saying more about ZDaemon than Skulltag I think.&nbsp; I don&#039;t begrudge anyone playing or contributing to Skulltag, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s my thing.&nbsp; Thanks for the info though, I&#039;m sure that there&#039;s others who would like Skulltag and your post does a good job outlining some of the things it has over ZDaemon.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4204, 450, 3, 1308892242, 8, 4204, 'Double Domination (DDOM): The Future', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '98.234.131.145', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m sure many of you have seen my thread about the possible survival tournament I wanted to run during the offseason. WELL, I don&#039;t know if anyone has checked out the ZD changelog, but coming in 1.09 is a brand new gamemode! That gamemode is Double Domination. For any of you who are not aware of what it is, here is a direct quote from the changelog itself:<br /><br />[quote]193. Implemented a &quot;Double Domination&quot; (DDOM) mode which is a direct port of<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  the Unreal Tournament mode with the same name. DDOM is a team mode: the<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  map contains two control points (called Domination Points); they look<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  like the letter A or B rotating inside a circle. The objective for each<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  team is to capture and hold both Domination Points at the same time for<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  ten seconds. Dom. Points are captured by running over them, and will<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  remain captured until an opponent runs over them (and captures them for<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  his own team). The color of the domination points indicates their capture<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  status: gold -&gt; not captured (neutral), red -&gt; captured by the red team,<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  blue -&gt; captured by the blue team. If a team succeeds in holding both<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  Points for ten seconds, that team scores a point and the Domination Points<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  are reset. Individual points are awarded by the usual TDM rules (+1 for<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  normal kills, -1 for suicides and teamkills) with 2 additions: fragging<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  an opponent near a Domination Point gives a +1, and all players belonging<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  to a team (and actually playing: not spectating) get +3 when the team<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  scores a point. Here is a sample video of the mode in action:<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Lk5-uH9GN0[/quote]<br /><br />Now, when 1.09 is released (which will hopefully be soon), this gamemode will be available for all of us to play. I think this would be a great gamemode to expand the league with. I am interested in knowing what everyone thinks about this, because I sure am excited!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3401, 385, 1, 1297647305, 3, 3401, 'Re: Introduction', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/301/goatdunk.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(9201, 925, 31, 1376880147, 19, 9201, 'Re: DRAFT RESULTS', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.242.178', 1, 0, '', 'This will be interesting.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3817, 410, 14, 1300339857, 158, 3817, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.35.202', 1, 0, '', 'I can respect you Ladna because you seem to actually give a shit and know what you&#039;re talking about. I don&#039;t hate TT or anything; I think they&#039;re great servers. Colocation is great even though it may be expensive, and while I don&#039;t totally completely agree that you&#039;re getting your moneys worth out of this, it&#039;s none of my business I guess.<br /><br />What I have a problem with is why some people are treated like shit, and others are basically given a golden pass to go do whatever the fuck they want. (See aforementioned reasons)<br /><br />Also Xenaero, Ladna himself said in a few posts above this that he only runs zdaemon servers on his dedicated box. When I counted, there were 14 (give or take a few I guess) servers running on TT. Sure, my screenshot is taken with absolutely nobody actually playing in the servers, but even if all of them were full (which will never happen) it wouldn&#039;t actually make a notable impact.<br /><br />edit: they are in columbus, ohio', 'xx', 1);
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	(3531, 380, 1, 1297914827, 49, 3531, 'Re: Odamex - try it, you''ll like it!', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=380.msg3519#msg3519 date=1297712593]<br />dude, not another spambot thread<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3639, 400, 1, 1299286172, 49, 3639, 'Re: For my fans...', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', 'are you dead yet', 'xx', 1);
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	(4295, 455, 16, 1310100111, 27, 4295, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'CabooseA7X', 'Theron.Stein@gmail.com', '98.243.212.191', 1, 0, '', 'I must have really got to him. DAMN I&#039;M GOOD.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4071, 435, 18, 1306070258, 213, 4071, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '64.203.239.248', 1, 1306070424, 'MassVC', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=435.msg4066#msg4066 date=1306007480]<br />Was there even one captain in the draft that actually wanted the order changed?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That is an interesting idea: maybe the league&#039;s captains should decide how the draft is to be ordered instead of the administration.&nbsp; You could have set up the league [u]that[/u] way, but I can&#039;t imagine they would come to much agreement (certainly not as much as they apparently came to on this draft).&nbsp; In fact, this idea sounds a lot like the third paragraph of the second body section of this thread: http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=433.0&nbsp; I actually voted in favor of this system, but the board did not.&nbsp; Alternatively, we could dissolve the board and have the 12 captains be the board.<br /><br />These changes were based mainly on the ideas of the commissioner you chose for the league along with some help from the board members that you nominated.&nbsp; If I recall correctly, the board and commissioner unanimously felt that there was something wrong with almost half of the captains&#039; inheritance of draft spots that had nothing to do with them at all, and discussed remedies [i]ad nauseum[/i].&nbsp; This draft was the final result.&nbsp; I voted against it, but it passed.&nbsp; So now it is the draft order.<br /><br />Let&#039;s have a great season!<br /><br /><br />And Reaper, are you selling ecotrend products or what?', 'xx', 1);
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	(4065, 435, 18, 1305998965, 213, 4065, 'OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '208.54.94.106', 1, 1306006828, 'Mantis-X', 'The [b]Official 2011 Summer Spectacular Draft Order[/b] is as follows:<br /><br />1. FLS: Legion<br />2. BBC: ThatsJustPrime<br />3. SPE: MassVC<br />4. DMC: Nautilus<br />5. BSK: Climhazzard<br />6. DMR: LordBritish<br />7. SXP: HumanBones<br />8. EBL: Hatred<br />9. KGB: Tai<br />10. TKV: RussianDumbass<br />11. KNF: Strangle<br />12. SUC: Ralphis<br /><br /><br />After much deliberation by the IDL administration, we have settled on a method for determining this season&#039;s draft order!&nbsp; Because the moment of the draft is so near, we wanted to change the draft type and order as little as possible.&nbsp; However, due to the oustanding number of new captains this season, we decided to make one small modification to the draft order.&nbsp; The draft order of the five new captains was randomized and inserted into the rule-determined draft after returning cap(s) who didn&#039;t make playoffs and before returning caps who did make playoffs.&nbsp; The idea behind this move was to help usher the new captains into our league and perhaps provide some incentive for them to return as permanent captains.<br /><br />The administration will continue discussing potential modifications to the draft that will maximize competition and fun, and which can be implemented well before future drafts take place.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3396, 385, 1, 1297610583, 163, 3396, 'Re: Introduction', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.210.163', 1, 0, '', 'how old are you', 'xx', 1);
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	(8705, 847, 28, 1363223422, 60, 8705, 'Re: Odamex player movement compared to ZD', 'Jkist3', 'jefferson.kist@duke.edu', '108.76.78.27', 1, 0, '', 'If this is indeed what is going on there should probably be a client option for this.&nbsp; Server could flag players who haven&#039;t updated or doesn&#039;t send their info, and then clients can either leave them stationary or predict them depending on if you want this behavior or not.&nbsp; Then you have the best of both worlds.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3640, 398, 14, 1299298448, 55, 3640, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'ReXn0r', 'yannik_marcos@hotmail.com', '189.152.165.208', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=398.msg3636#msg3636 date=1299229846]<br />why the hateful words, rust? :( we would&#039;ve accepted your opinions even without the tough act, you don&#039;t have to pretend you are a mean person. those people you are insulting could be your teammates next season!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />He&#039;s just trying to follow the golden rule: he&#039;s trying to be the tough hardass :) everyone wants to be like nostar :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(2393, 243, 12, 1282848549, 30, 2393, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.201', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br />Hatred - Love<br />Ralphis - Kilgore<br />Whiteboy - Blackgirl<br />Gyross - Chickenwomen<br />Tai - Loose Peace Whitmen<br /><br />WDC<br />nostar -&nbsp; yespeeon<br />jenova - Humanoid<br />Mantis-x - Atheist Tanzanian Devil <br />Stallion - GermanBrats<br />LB - Peasant American<br /><br />I propose they use those aliases during the game', 'xx', 1);
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	(2292, 246, 1, 1282066628, 209, 2292, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '70.61.111.122', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=246.msg2291#msg2291 date=1282065997]<br />People know about ST and that it doesn&#039;t have a lot of ZD problems.&nbsp; Personally I think it could be the future but who knows.&nbsp; However I&#039;m sure if ST had some big public forum spat and I went over to the ST forums and started advertising ZD people would get pissed.<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />[quote author=AlexMax link=topic=246.msg2290#msg2290 date=1282062120]<br />I think most people kinda missed the point I was trying to make, which was to simply demonstrate that having an responsive development team and not shitting on your players results in a positive feedback loop.[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2293, 257, 1, 1282162418, 147, 2293, 'fancy fuckin ctf', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', '66.225.231.106:11016, pw is same as priv<br /><br />play the maps, tell me what&#039;s good, what&#039;s bad, what&#039;s ugly (all of them), and i&#039;ll probably disagree.&nbsp; but if i don&#039;t i might fix shit and make them better.&nbsp; thanks!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3545, 389, 14, 1298090934, 205, 3545, 'Re: Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'STINKBOMB', 'vandergriftmachine@gmail.com', '99.60.40.140', 1, 0, '', 'Its a good thing.carry on', 'xx', 1);
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	(3818, 410, 14, 1300340478, 7, 3818, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '38.109.187.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Beast link=topic=410.msg3816#msg3816 date=1300339649]<br />they need to be listed as official so they can be used officially<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah of course, I&#039;ll put them somewhere... maybe I&#039;ll make a thread or something.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=410.msg3817#msg3817 date=1300339857]<br />I can respect you Ladna because you seem to actually give a shit and know what you&#039;re talking about. I don&#039;t hate TT or anything; I think they&#039;re great servers. Colocation is great even though it may be expensive<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Thanks!<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=410.msg3817#msg3817 date=1300339857]<br />and while I don&#039;t totally completely agree that you&#039;re getting your moneys worth out of this, it&#039;s none of my business I guess.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah well when I had a real job, a couple hundred bucks a month wasn&#039;t really a big deal.&nbsp; Now we&#039;re all lucky to have JKist3.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=410.msg3817#msg3817 date=1300339857]<br />What I have a problem with is why some people are treated like shit, and others are basically given a golden pass to go do whatever the fuck they want. (See aforementioned reasons)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The player vs. server admin fight is a battle eternal.&nbsp; My general outlook on life is that people with power get to use that power, and people without power get fucked.&nbsp; My answer has usually been to get power myself.&nbsp; I try not to attach morality to stuff like that, because morality is really just fake anyway.<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=410.msg3817#msg3817 date=1300339857]<br />Also Xenaero, Ladna himself said in a few posts above this that he only runs zdaemon servers on his dedicated box.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This hasn&#039;t always been the case; we ran Skulltag and Odamex servers on TT for a while.&nbsp; But currently (and for the foreseeable future) ZDaemon servers are pretty much it.&nbsp; And you&#039;re right, I don&#039;t think TT&#039;s ever broken 0.01 load average ever.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Also, just so we&#039;re clear, IDL runs zserv 1.08.08, so if you&#039;re running official IDL servers you need to make sure that&#039;s the version you&#039;re using.&nbsp; And of course, flags have to be the same blah blah blah.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7090, 687, 22, 1340413032, 0, 7090, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.103.197', 1, 0, '', 'I wouldn&#039;t say all of them are stupid. But I agree, we should be split somewhere.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4169, 443, 18, 1307658281, 2, 4169, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 6 - Jun 12) : ZDCTF26 (MAP 26) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.37.22.79', 1, 0, '', 'There have always traditionally been some sort of scheduling issue the first week, for the past few seasons (almost) always concerning Tai.&nbsp; Then things get better for a few weeks and drop off towards the end of the season again.&nbsp; With that being said, Tai, Bloodstrike and any third (mr cheater, moonbeam, nostar&#039;s butt) will pulverize DMC&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(4205, 450, 3, 1308892290, 19, 4205, 'Re: Double Domination (DDOM): The Future', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.141.116', 1, 0, '', 'Yes, a million times yes.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4296, 455, 16, 1310101585, 89, 4296, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.241.27.15', 1, 0, '', 'Good at quitting, yea', 'xx', 1);
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	(3949, 423, 18, 1303454509, 10, 4079, 'Accepting Captain Bids', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 1306124250, 'HumanBones', 'We are currently accepting captain bids for the Summer 2011 season onward. We expect to have a considerable amount of vacancies this season and encourage all interested to step forward as soon as possible.<br /><br />Last season, we saw four first time captains. Three of those captains went on to the playoffs, one of which competed for the WDC Conference Championship in March. If they can do it, so can you!<br /><br />Though anyone can put in a bid to be captain, there are a few things you should know before doing so:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Captains are expected to stay at least two seasons minimum to give them an effort to build their team.[/li]<br />[li]The more IDL experience you have, the more likely you are to be considered.[/li]<br />[li]The final captains selected by the IDL Board do not have a say in which team they inherit. It is a randomized process.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />Being a captain comes with a decent amount of responsibility as the IDL is only as good as its captains. To become a captain, [u][b]you should be willing to make a concerted effort to be on frequently to maintain contact with your team, other teams, and league officials.[/b][/u]<br /><br />To be a captain is to be a leader. If you believe you&#039;re ready to be a leader in the International Doom League, feel free to submit your bid!<br /><br />The league has already received a handful of bids, so it is best to notify the league of your intentions as soon as possible as to give the Board time to consider your bid.<br /><br />Bids can either be made public through this thread or you can contact me through our IRC channel or private message.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4164, 443, 18, 1307631506, 147, 4164, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 6 - Jun 12) : ZDCTF26 (MAP 26) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'SUC - TKV<br /><br />TKV dominated DMR a little bit in some pracs, and SUC has been enigmatic.&nbsp; I know that they are good, but I don&#039;t know if they are good enough to win without practicing.&nbsp; I&#039;ll call it a push.<br /><br />1-1-1<br /><br />DMR - EBL<br /><br />[img]http://i980.photobucket.com/albums/ae285/u3lordbritish/hatebathroom.jpg[/img]<br /><br />DMC - KGB<br /><br />Haven&#039;t seen DMC play, have played with KGB and they are average.&nbsp; Average might be good enough here.<br /><br />2-1 KGB<br /><br />SPE - FLS<br /><br />I think legion really blows it if he doesn&#039;t sit himself here.&nbsp; He should let pot solo run and have Mando and Godlike camp the flagroom and give him no help at all.&nbsp; If they do this they have a real chance.&nbsp; If not, miek will go off (he&#039;s very good at this map) pot should be traded to DMR.<br /><br />SPE 2-1<br /><br />SXP - KNF<br /><br />SXP started out hot in practice sessions, but I haven&#039;t seen them play in weeks.&nbsp; KNF might be good enough to make playoffs as it is, but I think they really need to shake up their lineup some if they want to be great.&nbsp; I&#039;m gonna say Blair gets some Denver-esque rage (NJ rage?!?!?!) and pulls a miracle out in game 3<br /><br />SXP 2-1', 'xx', 1);
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	(2290, 246, 1, 1282062120, 209, 2290, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '70.61.111.122', 1, 1282062537, 'AlexMax', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=246.msg2288#msg2288 date=1282018152]<br />rofl IDL is awesome.<br /><br />Alex I agree Skulltag is less dysfunctional than ZDaemon is, but that&#039;s saying more about ZDaemon than Skulltag I think.&nbsp; I don&#039;t begrudge anyone playing or contributing to Skulltag, but I don&#039;t think it&#039;s my thing.&nbsp; Thanks for the info though, I&#039;m sure that there&#039;s others who would like Skulltag and your post does a good job outlining some of the things it has over ZDaemon.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think most people kinda missed the point I was trying to make, which was to simply demonstrate that having an responsive development team and not shitting on your players results in a positive feedback loop.&nbsp; I already know how most of IDL feels about Skulltag in terms of feel and gameplay, not to mention that it also enforces a master ban list and is closed source itself (though funny enough it has a more recent source release than ZDaemon&#039;s ancient 1.06.08 and plans on a source release every few point releases).&nbsp; Still, I thought it was worth mentioning.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7091, 669, 23, 1340417885, 2282, 7091, 'Re: Green Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Mr.Crispy', 'j76yhe@gmail.com', '69.131.110.41', 1, 0, '', 'vs Merk<br /><br />Demos in zip http://www.sendspace.com/file/ncz8ed', 'xx', 1);
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	(2300, 257, 1, 1282267209, 35, 2300, 'Re: fancy fuckin ctf', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', 'Nope, it&#039;s James Woods in Fast-Walkin. He plays a sleazebag corrupt prison guard that sells drugs to inmates but also runs a prostitution ring as a side job outside of the prison. It&#039;s great stuff!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3259, 369, 14, 1295150698, 2, 3259, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 10 - Jan 16) : ZDU30 (MAP30) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.217', 1, 0, '', 'GGs DMC, those were some tough games, especially from X-Ray!&nbsp; That guy spent about 30 minutes whooping my ass so hard I couldn&#039;t see straight&nbsp; :(<br /><br />[URL=http://img18.imageshack.us/i/ctf20110115193347.png/][IMG]http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/9341/ctf20110115193347.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img835.imageshack.us/i/ctf20110115194407.png/][IMG]http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/9563/ctf20110115194407.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img822.imageshack.us/i/ctf20110115195423.png/][IMG]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/2600/ctf20110115195423.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2311, 259, 1, 1282286307, 73, 2311, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'My blood boiled alittle when I was reading some of the posts, including Kilgore.<br /><br />Are they stupider than a fucking submarine screen door or what? IDL doesn&#039;t play on advertised servers BECAUSE some of the players are banned. Its not the other way around. Switcher&#039;s dumb ass talking about <br />[quote]Making IDL servers public would also place them under the influence of the ZDaemon banlist. <br />This would have the duel effect of excluding banned players while at the same time making the league accessible to the ZDaemon community in general. <br />Plus IDL would get ZDaemon&#039;s awesome support. <br />That sounds like a great deal. <br />Since the IDL was not created to evade ZDaemon bans, nor draw it&#039;s players away, <br />why not come out from the shadows and into the mainstream of ZDaemon society? <br />I wonder what the response will be?[/quote]<br /><br />What a fucking cuntrag. The first part ANSWERS the second part. Enforcing the banlist would exclude some players, and I don&#039;t mean just Ralphis. Sounds like a great deal indeed, you fuck geriatric dipshit. Although I&#039;m hoping it would be a cold day in hell when Ralphis gets kicked from the ID fucking L to appease the likes of old farts like switcher. And yea, if any players who get banned for not falling in line for the admin of zdaemon, it could essentially take out a whole IDL season. It wouldn&#039;t be so bad if the threat was pretty scarce, but since its quite apparent, getting banned is easily a potential problem, I don&#039;t believe this whole issue is even negotiable, but since I have been staying quiet about my feelings, I&#039;ll just go on for sake of argument.<br /><br />If ANYTHING, the IDL servers should be exempt from the banlist, and Ladna or whoever can set up a similiar banlist, the only exceptions being people who PLAY in the IDL. If Kilgore can&#039;t &quot;handle&quot; that then shit on him. <br />[quote]IDL isn&#039;t doing Zdaemon any favors by not advertising[/quote]<br /> Like, GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF. It isn&#039;t about satiating the fucking &quot;POWER MONSTER&quot; by giving offerings of leagues and tournements. Its for the people who like competitive Doom, and its BY people who love competitive doom. I agree, if the trade off for having advertised servers is damning the people who STARTED the IDL and still PLAY in the IDL, then that power hungry admin team can suck it. <br /><br />The IDL DOES and can DO even MORE favors if it loosens grip of control over OUR* League, however, zdaemon isn&#039;t doing ITSELF any favors by trying to have a grip on something thats not part of ITS fundamental structure. Basically, until the day Kilgore trusts ladna and nostar&#039;s ability to maintain this league (lol as if theres anything MORE that CAN be proven) then it can&#039;t happen. Kilgore&#039;s a fucking conspiracy theorist, and in an &quot;official&quot; setting, he&#039;ll just bog this down too. <br /><br />And doom2pro&#039;s &quot;2Pro&#039;s2cents&quot;<br />[quote]And I have to agree 100% with Kilgore, in that having the servers hidden or private tends to make it appear as if there are less players playing ZDaemon than say &quot;other&quot; online doom ports, and it does no service to ZDaemon leaving them that way. [/quote]<br /><br />Exactly what I&#039;m talking about. They act like we&#039;re pissing on zdaemon for allowing banned player(s) to play. Its so disrespectful and FOOLISH to think that way. If IDL players are reaching out to zdaemon for a bridge to connect us, why the fuck are they talking about the IDL like its some hidden agenda to fuck over zdaemon. They ALL are missing both THE POINT, and a fucking clue.<br />Since when was IDL a malicious group worht talking down to like that. I say they should pull their heads from their asses before a talk for a bridge comes up again.<br /><br /><br />*(collectively, I realize I had nothing to do with, or have any part of, the starting or maintaining IDL and its subsequent servers, besides this nice donation I&#039;m about to send to Star)<br /><br />/and feel free to edit my post if you think its going to dent a &quot;friendly&quot; perception. I just wanted to rant about that thread.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3397, 383, 14, 1297633241, 19, 3397, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 7 - Feb 13) : ZDE01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.7.85', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m pretty sure these screenshots aren&#039;t even right but BSK won 2-1! ggs and all<br /><br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/erKXR.png[/img]<br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/4C5EC.png[/img]<br />[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/r4BaO.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3533, 388, 14, 1297915055, 49, 3533, 'Re: Pre-Pre-Post-Season Predictions Predictions', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', 'and now for some content!<br /><br />SUC vs BSK, 5 (!) rounds, SUC wins by 1 after a last second flag by jen in round 4 sends it into round 5', 'xx', 1);
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	(3641, 400, 1, 1299307542, 19, 3641, 'Re: For my fans...', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.252.85', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Killingblair link=topic=400.msg3639#msg3639 date=1299286172]<br />are you dead yet<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Look at the shit in the last pic. What do you think? Dude&#039;s probably dying as we speak.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3819, 400, 1, 1300341111, 7, 3819, 'Re: For my fans...', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '38.109.187.5', 1, 0, '', 'I fully support your baller womanizing Fast.&nbsp; I also fully support requiring all women to have government-issued ID on them at all times.&nbsp; Really can&#039;t be too careful.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4206, 438, 16, 1308892741, 8, 4206, 'Re: S2011 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY - WAIVER WIRE', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '98.234.131.145', 1, 0, '', '[b]Super Chargers[/b]<br />traded Asgar to Free Agency in exchange for Soul Sucka(Week 3)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4075, 435, 18, 1306100579, 20, 4075, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '24.148.177.169', 1, 0, '', 'I suggested ABC ABC CBA long before 2 days left for the draft and I still do. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4561, 483, 16, 1313350207, 17, 4561, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '69.245.157.115', 1, 0, '', 'Speaking of banners.&nbsp; The banner textures are mids so they arent supposed to be a texture wall, and therefore an upper texture.&nbsp; You get the black background otherwise.<br /><br />Other than that it seems like it would lay well enough.&nbsp; A little stripey, but not important.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2291, 246, 1, 1282065997, 0, 2291, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 0, '', 'People know about ST and that it doesn&#039;t have a lot of ZD problems.&nbsp; Personally I think it could be the future but who knows.&nbsp; However I&#039;m sure if ST had some big public forum spat and I went over to the ST forums and started advertising ZD people would get pissed.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8431, 811, 28, 1361062960, 157, 8431, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '173.59.167.186', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkeZmpIEbjw<br /><br /><br />look at this.<br /><br />[b]look at it.[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8794, 518, 30, 1364270237, 214, 8794, 'Re: IDL Radio', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '98.197.197.44', 1, 0, '', 'Just a bit of an update for anyone who cares. IDL radio will return in a few weeks. As of now, broadcasts will take place on Sunday. Hosts will be HumanBones, dewww, myself and a mystery 4th. Stay tuned for updates.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8458, 834, 1, 1361297434, 2303, 8458, 'Re: Would you play in the IJL?', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'I must also say that I would but I did not address this in the main post.<br /><br />Also can someone get Nostar?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2309, 259, 1, 1282285409, 10, 2309, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'I agree and parrot pretty much everything that Ladna has said. I will say this though:<br /><br />After our two remaining games this season, the IDL will have recorded 346 contests (granted, a small handful of these were forfeits or crap games). It will have had 8 seasons, 8 drafts, 8 championship games, 16 conference championship games, over a hundred players, and likely over, AT LEAST, 40,000 man minutes of play time (that&#039;s almost a whole month of play time). <br /><br />What can ZDaemon offer the IDL that we don&#039;t already have for the most part? [i]Exposure[/i]? Being called &quot;official&quot; (whatever that means)? Switcher said that the IDL could benefit from &quot;ZDaemon&#039;s awesome support&quot; which, as far as engine modifications go, it probably could. Beyond that however, what benefit does the IDL get from going public? Oversight from above the league as to what we can do and who can play with us? We&#039;ve done a pretty good job of policing ourselves.<br /><br />The fact of the matter is this. IDL doesn&#039;t NEED Public ZDaemon. It would be nice, but the constraint of having public servers determine how we run our league is not something we should be willing to do.<br /><br />[quote=Ladna]ZDaemon belongs to ZDaemon, but IDL belongs to us.&nbsp; We&#039;ll choose who we play with, and we&#039;ll decide what rules we follow.&nbsp; Whenever the ZDaemon administration is alright with that and allows our servers to be advertised, that&#039;s when they&#039;ll be advertised.[/quote]<br /><br />The IDL has survived for over four years (without anyone&#039;s support but our own) and will, hopefully, survive for at least another four.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2305, 259, 1, 1282278378, 7, 2310, 'Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1282285850, 'Ladna', 'Hey everyone.&nbsp; Kilgore posted something about IDL, and since pretty much everyone in the IDL administration is banned from the forums, I thought I&#039;d post my response here.&nbsp; [url=http://forums.zdaemon.org/viewtopic.php?t=13438]You should read his post first though[/url].&nbsp; And I also want to say thanks to Chaindude for his efforts to bring IDL and ZDaemon closer together, if anyone&#039;s a reasonable, smart guy it&#039;s him.<br /><br />I personally would love IDL to be advertised to the ZDaemon master, but as per Kilgore&#039;s post, this would mean that IDL would be subject to ZDaemon&#039;s rules, meaning our servers would be forced to enforce the banlist.&nbsp; This goes well beyond Ralphis&#039; ban; it means that as soon as one of IDL&#039;s players offends someone in the ZDaemon administration, they&#039;re banned.&nbsp; This can result in anything from ruining a game to ruining a team&#039;s season to ruining an entire IDL season.&nbsp; For all the work the IDL administration puts into running the league, it&#039;s just inconceivable that we&#039;d put ourselves in a position where this could happen.<br /><br />To be clear:<br /><br />ZDaemon belongs to ZDaemon, but IDL belongs to us.&nbsp; We&#039;ll choose who we play with, and we&#039;ll decide what rules we follow.&nbsp; Whenever the ZDaemon administration is alright with that and allows our servers to be advertised, that&#039;s when they&#039;ll be advertised.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2274, 250, 12, 1281914491, 61, 2312, 'Re: Dumb Flames S2010', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '76.201.149.236', 1, 1282311146, 'Chain', 'Whitney never had any &quot;attitude&quot; problems when I was captain of our team a few seasons ago. He was actually quite humble and apologetic if he couldn&#039;t make practices or if he fumbled some plays during matches, but that&#039;s about it. I never had an instance when he got shit faced though, so I don&#039;t think you should read into whatever he did too seriously, DD.<br /><br />On the topic of people being [b]overly[/b] annoying/assholes/trolls, I do think a line has to be drawn. Granted, people in this league already need to have some amount of balls present in order to compete and keep up, but there have been times when things got a little out of hand. The one season when TIA kept getting bind spammed/raped with some downright nasty shit comes to mind. That was funny for a few seconds, but then it got more than a little lame. I guess it didn&#039;t help that he was on the same team as Bloodstrike (:P), but excessive heckling and harassment does lend a trashy image to a league that on some accounts is trying to gain &quot;mainstream&quot; acceptance (according to the Yo Yo threads anyway).', 'xx', 1);
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	(2394, 246, 1, 1282858096, 46, 2394, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '174.25.56.40', 1, 0, '', 'Heh, and here I thought I kept my ear to the ground on these things.<br /><br />PLEASE DON&#039;T GO, LADNA.&nbsp; YOU&#039;RE THE NICEST ADMIN IN THE WORLD!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2425, 267, 1, 1283217904, 73, 2427, 'Re: Maps...', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 1283218536, 'Quiksilver', '[s]I have a question. Are you allowed to edit any of these maps for the purpose of &quot;IDLizing&quot; (idealizing) them for better play. For example:[/s] <br /><br />EDIT- The above was the initial premise of my post, but since I posted, I realize this question had just been asked WHILE I was typing. Carry On.<br /><br />ZDCTF11: Tribute<br /><br />Closing the gap. Taking the middle OUT of the map, and connecting both front entrances and pretty much rigging a new top entrance system?<br /><br />ZDCTF19: UAC Headquarters<br /><br />Same idea, bridging the gaps.<br /><br /><br />Well what I&#039;m getting at is that, middle play is good, for maps with flag rooms that are more close to the entrances. But maps that have long halls and/or a nice uncomfortable running distance between bases, are basically the ones that get annoying and old. <br /><br />and by IDLizing, its basically changing these maps that are suited for 4 vs 4 and up, and making them suited for 3 vs 3 WITHOUT losing its familiarity. Lets take another example:<br /><br />Exophase 3<br /><br />I would not miss for one second the middle of this map. I like the map, but its &quot;length&quot; is just no fun anymore. I like when theres a good chance to catch up to the enemy flag carrier within 30 seconds. If it takes a full minute (thats what it feels like sometimes) to traverse the map to get to the enemy base, theres an overwhelming feeling of helplessness when you have gotten into the middle after sprinting for a while, and then hear the enemy flag has been dropped. It almost doesn&#039;t matter what you do, because even if you wait for the full period for when the flag is returned automatically, you STILL haven&#039;t gotten to the enemy flag room.<br />__________________________________________<br />ZDCTF08: Something Epic<br /><br />This is a tough one, BECAUSE of all the options to get in, but without a skilled RJ&#039;ing O you are lucky to get out of the flag room, much less the base without being killed. The Rjumping has made the map alot more dynamic, but heres my bottom line.<br /><br />Not for 3 vs 3.<br /><br />I like the map. Its scary, heart pounding, you don&#039;t know where the fuck the enemy team is coming in at. As the D, you&#039;re shit is constantly scrambled. If you go check out the top ledge at the side where the enemy can run up, you&#039;ve forfeited your ability to defend the flag room until you return. I believe that yes, there HAVE been good games here. But honestly, not when EVERYONE knows most of the tricks to the map. Not too long ago, it was like, if you luckily had an rjumper on your team, you were in business, and if they had one, you needed a tactic to stop him. Its different when everyone and their frickin brother can do it.<br /><br /><br />It&#039;d be boss if maps weren&#039;t dropped so much as just re-mixed for 3 vs 3 play, but maps that were all about tactical advantage would become alot like 04,31,14 and so on. I myself wouldn&#039;t know if it was a good move until I played it like that, but I know that its possible that it could be more fun when the action stays fast paced. Defensive maps are face paced in a bad way. They make you sweat more, because you always feel a step behind the enemy O, and you&#039;re just biting at his ankles rather than staging an organized defense.<br /><br />As far as ZDCTF16: Return to Phobos goes....<br />You should just toss that shit in the trash IMO.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3398, 385, 1, 1297638861, 49, 3398, 'Re: Introduction', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=artificial eyelashes link=topic=385.msg3390#msg3390 date=1297523843]<br /><br />Well come and introduce your self<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/DAK4e.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3534, 380, 1, 1297915266, 3, 3534, 'Re: Odamex - try it, you''ll like it!', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/1364/bscap0062gt.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3642, 400, 1, 1299310973, 89, 3642, 'Re: For my fans...', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '65.68.75.77', 1, 0, '', 'That bowl looks delicious as fuck but the egg bird shit has got to go', 'xx', 1);
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	(3820, 410, 14, 1300343262, 89, 3820, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '98.199.179.106', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3813#msg3813 date=1300338888]<br />1.) Negative-proof fallacy, basically you can never prove a negative.<br />2.) Argument from silence[/quote]<br /><br />Admitting that someone(anyone) caused you to leave for x amount of time is a tough thing to say, especially when you have an ego, when you&#039;re sensitive, and when you&#039;re in the spot light. I mentioned, then asked why didn&#039;t he join #IDL(I wanted to say something on the &quot;monitoring&quot; him comment, but couldn&#039;t find a good way to put it in.) Anyways, I didn&#039;t monitor Star(why would I, we barely communicated or didn&#039;t at all at the time) but someone in the IDL channel was, and they said &quot;Hey nostar/crapstar is on irc&quot; followed by &quot;really?&quot; which then myself along with how many others, did a simple /whois to see if they were right. Nostar overlooked my point about being absent in #IDL, He claimed to have been on IRC through his phone. I&#039;m not sure how hard it is to join the IDL channel through a phone, but seeing he does it to highlight for priv, it gives me the impression of: yeah pretty easy - so there&#039;s no real excuse to why he [b]couldn&#039;t have[/b]. I would imagine that saying why he didn&#039;t join #IDL would be pretty much admitting that Jen ran him off(seeing as no reason was given, and that any other reason than that one would not be too difficult to admit, and if it was any other reason, he would have responded to my initial comment about being absent in the channel.) Going off by this, Nostar avoided both of my comments about being absent in the channel. I figured &quot;Ok, so it probably has to be about Jennifer.&quot; Nothing wrong there, at first I was curious about how correct I might be about this, though as time went on,&nbsp; Star proceeded to insult me which led me to<br /><br />1) Believe that there is something to not admit and<br />2) There was some general truth in what I said<br /><br />Insulting me is an attempt to change the subject/change my focus on a particular thing so that it can be avoided. Again, if it was a reason that is easy to admit, then he would have done it in my initial comment. It&#039;s true he doesn&#039;t have to respond to me or answer my question/demand. However, seeing as he avoided it and insulted me(tried to), it can be inferred that he doesn&#039;t want to answer it because it is about Jen, and doing that would prove anyone who thought that it was about Jen, right, and it would potentially boost Jen&#039;s ego to unbelievable levels. At that point, it would be difficult to save face(if it means anything to begin with, most likely does since it possibly is a factor contributing to this) and it could always be used against Star to hinder him(Jen made you leave so why should x matter, pretty much anything about Jen making him leave.)<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3813#msg3813 date=1300338888]It&#039;s difficult to not get that impression[/quote]<br /><br />Impressions aren&#039;t what they always appear to be. I can say you are a good doomer and I can assist you in setting up servers or what not, but I can think otherwise, and the intention isn&#039;t to compliment you or to help you out or what not, but instead so that I can have certain things that can only be acquired with sucking up(RCON, passwords, whatever else I can get from you with just &quot;impressions&quot;.)<br /><br />One word - Deception.<br /><br />Also, just for the record, Psychologists don&#039;t prove anything, they support or disprove. <br />Get on my level.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4412, 478, 16, 1312230878, 131, 4412, 'Re: Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WX6MMEDXzl0/TIqSJvtfN4I/AAAAAAAADjA/mOD82HxhuLo/s400/dement+logo+original400.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4207, 450, 3, 1308893124, 157, 4207, 'Re: Double Domination (DDOM): The Future', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.108.20', 1, 0, '', 'I look forward to playing DDOM in my gray wrinkly years, it will give me much comfort', 'xx', 1);
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	(7063, 687, 22, 1340218817, 19, 7063, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.227.220', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=RecKle$$_ link=topic=686.msg7060#msg7060 date=1340204119]<br />[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=686.msg7056#msg7056 date=1340164607]<br />[b]Berserker Packers[/b]<br />Traded Capodecima to Free Agency in exchange for GaX (Pre-Season)<br />[/quote]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/gRkaq.gif[/img]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/Z6XXS.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4076, 435, 18, 1306104696, 75, 4076, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'as mantis said, we had a whole bunch of alternative draft scenarios ready a few days before the draft, but carving out all the details and deciding on one of the options proved to be much more time demanding than what time we got left. if we had it our way, the new system would probably confuse the shit out of all caps with just 2 days left... so we picked just a minute change and kept the new stuff for the next season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4025, 28, 21, 1304969574, 213, 4025, 'Re: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=JerkAss link=topic=28.msg4024#msg4024 date=1304964918]<br />Name: JerkAss<br />Country/State: CANADA<br />Email Contact: predator12302010@gmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: IRC<br />Regular Availability: evenings, weekends<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Sorry, Jerkass, but the sign-up thread is a different thread, and sign-ups closed on May 4.&nbsp; You might be able to schmooze HumanBones into appending you to the invite list before the draft.&nbsp; He mostly only responds to racial(/ist) humor and degrading photographs of slightly underaged Phillipino tramps.&nbsp; In the meantime, hang out in #idl and play some priv if that ever happens again!', 'xx', 1);
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	(279, 28, 21, 1219699946, 7, 6808, 'Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'Ladna', 'doomedladna@yahoo.com', '128.255.29.37', 1, 1337180859, 'HumanBones', 'If you spend hours and hours searching the ZD forums (and slaughter a chicken for good luck) you might find how to automatically demo (and log!) every match you play.&nbsp; Chaindude used to have handy screenshots on DE, but I&#039;m far too lazy to do that kind of thing.<br /><br />EDIT: mikehail and Xenaero have been so kind as to upload good screenshots of how to work the major launchers.&nbsp; Remember kids, IDE is the choice of champions!<br /><br />If you also want to auto-log, add this too (no quotes): &quot;+logfile %DATE%_%TIME%_%WAD%.txt&quot;<br /><br />Don&#039;t just take our word that this stuff works, TEST IT YOURSELF!&nbsp; And be careful, demos can really pile up.&nbsp; There are NO EXCUSES for not uploading a demo, it is up to you and you alone to make sure your system is working.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3261, 350, 14, 1295198105, 75, 3261, 'Re: W2011 Suicide League', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.180.128', 1, 0, '', 'bbc for week3. i&#039;m not bandwagoning against any team!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3399, 385, 1, 1297639436, 169, 3399, 'Re: Introduction', 'OurHero', 'dereksoma@msn.com', '96.51.93.4', 1, 0, '', 'nice reaction<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/DAK4e.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3535, 388, 14, 1297924352, 130, 3535, 'Re: Pre-Pre-Post-Season Predictions Predictions', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'Fun Fact: I&#039;ve never played in a season of IDL where I didn&#039;t make Conference Finals', 'xx', 1);
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	(3643, 398, 14, 1299314039, 213, 3643, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '75.186.106.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ReXn0r link=topic=398.msg3640#msg3640 date=1299298448]:( :) :)[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not remotely offended by Rust, nor have I ever been offended by anything.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=398.msg3610#msg3610 date=1299027070]Rust isn&#039;t really a rookie, since he was in DUI and has been playing doom for 97 years.[/quote]<br /><br />Rust was never in DUI, never played on the original DWANGO servers, and as far as I can tell, has only been playing ZDaemon for let&#039;s say 5 or 6 years.&nbsp; The only clans of which I&#039;m aware of his being a member are SIN and apparently EBL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7092, 687, 22, 1340419267, 8, 7092, 'Re: Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'I was thinking of doing this myself. Here you go!', 'xx', 1);
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	(9247, 930, 17, 1377606186, 36, 9247, 'Re: OblivionRO', 'HeX', 'mdvulture@yahoo.com', '172.6.92.113', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/GyiFtjJ.gif[/img]<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(8342, 823, 25, 1360566954, 213, 8347, 'Week 6 - IDLCONT2013-03: Dirt Nap (FEB 11 - FEB 17) - Discussion and Results', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 1360613286, 'MassVC', '[center][size=4][b]Official Servers for Week 6 of IDL Winter 2013[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b]:: IDL CHICAGO ::[/b]<br />[color=#ff0000][International Doom League Week 5 - MAP22 - A][/color]<br />[b]74.91.122.209:14000[/b]<br /><br />[color=#0000ff][International Doom League&nbsp; Week 5 - MAP22 - B][/color]<br />[b]74.91.122.209:14001[/b]<br /><br />[color=#ff0000][International Doom League Week 5 - MAP22 - C]<br />[/color][b]74.91.122.209:14002[/b]<br /><br />[color=#0000ff][International Doom League Week 5 - MAP22 - D][/color]<br />[b]74.91.122.209:14003[/b]<br /><br /><br />=======================================================<br />Sexual Panthers vs Killing Browns<br /><br />We&#039;re All Doomed vs Fnordy Niners<br /><br />Berserker Packers vs Super Chargers<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys vs Boxers and Dooming<br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3821, 410, 14, 1300344026, 1328, 3821, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '69.126.162.4', 1, 1300346695, 'Ralphis', '[size=6]EDIT BY RALPHIS: NO STUPID 4CHAN STYLE ANIME MEMES. PLEASE GO PRETEND YOU LIVE IN JAPAN SOMEWHERE ELSE[/size]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4077, 435, 18, 1306106074, 157, 4077, 'Re: OFFICIAL SUMMER 2011 DRAFT: LIVE SUNDAY, MAY 22 @ 9 PM EST', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.115.108.20', 1, 0, '', 'I demand a predraft discussion with some beastmode', 'xx', 1);
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	(4298, 455, 16, 1310110850, 163, 4298, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.67.243.86', 1, 0, '', '[quote=&quot;RoSKing&quot;]ROFL HATRED RAGE QUIT IDL. HYPOCRITE :DDDDDD[/quote]<br /><br />I actually didn&#039;t quit anything. In fact, I still have the intention of showing up to all of my matches well practiced and not half-assed like you did last season. <br /><br />[quote=&quot;AsSKing&quot;]I must have really got to him. DAMN I&#039;M GOOD.[/quote]<br /><br />No you didn&#039;t get to me at all. The real hypocrisy here is Stall using the term &quot;NS&quot; butt lover coming to my aide when you and Stall are displaying the same anal love for each other - RENE..AIDS!!!! That being said, I still love both of you idiots. Also, even though we&#039;re in the same clan, NoStar and I bicker and fight more than 2 retarded step-brothers at a hotdog stand.<br /><br /><br />[quote=&quot;Hate The Great Daddy&quot;]aide[/quote]<br />Get it? Aide? AIDS!!!&nbsp;  &gt;:(', 'xx', 1);
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	(2314, 259, 1, 1282327854, 0, 2314, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 0, '', 'Well it seems to be the only way the IDL can go public is if we give up control of it.&nbsp; I can&#039;t believe they are mad at private servers being advertised all of a sudden since in the past that was nothing they seemed to care about.&nbsp; Now that the IDL issue has flared up their political muscles are flexing on that.&nbsp; Funny how the one thing I&#039;ve heard Raider ever do is tell someone to stop trying to play TDM.&nbsp; I&#039;m just waiting for them to start master banning IDL players just because they can.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4413, 478, 16, 1312233091, 0, 4417, 'Re: Theory of the downfall of IDL and what it means for Winter 2011', 'Fastidious', '', '76.222.58.59', 1, 1312238571, 'Fastidious', 'I actually thought this was going to be somewhat serious but the more I read the more crazy it got.&nbsp;  &gt;:(<br /><br />[quote author=Mobius link=topic=478.msg4410#msg4410 date=1312224406][b]DAWSONATION[/b]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/8nRy8.png[/img]<br /><br />Stats don&#039;t lie<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That doesn&#039;t make any sense, why wouldn&#039;t he win this season with stats like that?&nbsp;  ???', 'xx', 1);
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	(4692, 496, 18, 1315292949, 131, 4693, 'Re: Season 10 / Summer 2011 Playoffs - MASTERBOWL X - Discussion and Results ', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '90.180.209.65', 1, 1315298939, 'Gyrossman', '[quote author=Whiteboy567 link=topic=496.msg4684#msg4684 date=1315250764]<br />who&#039;s the dickless dweeb that aliased as me<br />[/quote]<br />It was Chow trolling from Canada, he&#039;s that good.<br /><br />BBC, those were some intense games. I felt totally drained - and I had this &#039;i dont want to play anymore&#039; voice in my head at one moment of round 3, because I kept dying on Prime&#039;s ssg.<br />Also thanks my fellows from DMR for letting me play mid between two very dominant players, which was a pleasant experience, and giving me a chance to win MB for real.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2317, 259, 1, 1282331451, 73, 2317, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'hah, I&#039;m dumb, but gung-ho? My arguments are less about the essence and innerworkings OF IDL, and more about the attitude these community members have towards something they don&#039;t know anything about. Its pretty maddening to have such a good system like this brushed off as &quot;pish posh&quot;. The man hours alone should gain much deserved respect among ALL doomers who like to see the game continue to shine. Being hard headed, when the evidence of its greatness is right in front of you, makes you a fool.<br /> I wonder who on earth thought that the wheel was a poor idea, and dragging an object by hand was a task worth preserving. Change was a bad idea, no mattter how much the evidence shows the wheel made all &quot;dragging&quot; tasks ten thousand times easier. <br /><br />Anyway, I must also say that, 9/10 of my posts in the yo yo threads were progressive, and mature. It was only when time wore on without a shred of a response that I felt my temperature rising, and patience fading. Then when Phenex posted, it totally quelled my anguish, and I was ready to wait another 6 months before I even brought up any &quot;developer input&quot; or &quot;update&quot; issues. It wasn&#039;t until the thread was locked by kilgore with no answers to the CORE of the debate. He simply slammed ralphis, the IDL, and all posters who even brought up something related to the two. Well fuck my goddamn ear sockets with that nonsense. <br /> I got the hammer when I said &quot;I&#039;m sure the admin don&#039;t want to run this like a totalitarian dictatorship&quot;. I may be gung-ho, but my intentions, or heart, are not misplaced (I believe)<br /><br />I still would like to see publicly advertised IDL servers, but the stupid in this is<br />1)Inclusion for more players who don&#039;t know about the IDL. It will automatically be more available for the public.<br />2)Why bother trying to make it MORE available, when you&#039;ll make it UNavailable to others. Well hell, isn&#039;t that what we already do, only instead its available to players who we already know and like (sorta. I&#039;m sure there&#039;s the few not many like, like....me, lol.)', 'xx', 1);
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	(2318, 259, 1, 1282331764, 10, 2318, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=259.msg2313#msg2313 date=1282315811]<br /><br />Some stuff I&#039;d like to clear up:<br /><br />[quote]&lt;Ralphis&gt;	Chaindude&#039;s explanation is BS anyway, I tipped my hand in the creation of IDL to help collapse the economy of Greece<br />&lt;Ralphis&gt;	It was a precalculated butterfly effect sort of thing[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Dude Chain, if you can&#039;t tell I was clearly joking with these two lines you&#039;re out of your damned mind. I can&#039;t even believe you&#039;d take time to find and quote these lines. Come on.<br /><br />As far as the email, I was just trying to smooth things over at the time but clearly that wasn&#039;t going to fly. You can try and turn that around however you want and that&#039;s cool!<br /><br />Again with the ball twisting comments, you&#039;re taking them way too literally and my comments were embellished in context with the rest of the conversation we were having (where we were all kind of spouting off anyway). When I want to comment on things for real, I&#039;ll comment on here in well thought out posts (like most of us have been doing). When I want to shoot the shit and blow off some steam, I&#039;ll do it on IRC. You&#039;ve been around for a long time now, these sorts of things should already be readily apparent to you.<br /><br />As far as a &quot;live and let live&quot; agreement, the IDL is and always has been much more willing than ZDaemon to do this. If we ran public servers, we would want things to basically be the exact same as they are now and to be (most importantly) left to run our own league the way we have been for years. However, this is basically impossible because ZD will label us the bad guy on their forums for &quot;not supporting&quot; ZD by running private servers.<br /><br />Individuals (other than me of course, I have other beefs) have been treated harshly just for being involved in IDL. This is before they get pissed off and make dumb posts or do stupid things. If the ZD admins won&#039;t treat people from here with respect in the first place, why should they expect it to be returned?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2395, 243, 12, 1282863533, 10, 2395, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'International Doom Conference<br />-------------<br />Ralphis - Captain<br />Hatred - Co-Captain<br />Whiteboy<br />Tai<br />Rottking<br />Joshsmith<br /><br />World Doom Conference<br />-------------<br />Mikehail - Captain<br />Nostar - Co-Captain<br />RussianDumbass - Co-Captain<br />Jenova<br />Ladna<br />LordBritish', 'xx', 1);
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	(2407, 267, 1, 1283150303, 73, 2407, 'Re: ZDCTF MAP08', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'The thread about the maps that are defensive in nature would be a good place to start. Perhaps a thread that has votes FOR new maps additions, and a thread for TOSSING some maps would be good. Take the top 5 maps that are voted to toss, and replace them with the top 5 voted maps to ADD. ??', 'xx', 1);
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	(3262, 350, 14, 1295201974, 19, 3262, 'Re: W2011 Suicide League', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.7.88', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m gonna throw the game so almost everyone loses.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3400, 385, 1, 1297640025, 157, 3400, 'Re: Introduction', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.116.8.22', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://legion.doomcubed.net/dumbpics/gifs/2uyfxcg.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3536, 365, 14, 1297952032, 267, 3536, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'RecKle$$_', 'darkstarskate_4@hotmail.com', '189.216.176.117', 1, 0, '', 'ffs i didn&#039;t play the week4 game ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3644, 389, 14, 1299346199, 267, 3644, 'Re: Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'RecKle$$_', 'darkstarskate_4@hotmail.com', '189.216.253.201', 1, 0, '', 'its so cool to have new servers locations and its a shame that people keep using the same old tt...<br /> fags', 'xx', 1);
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	(3822, 410, 14, 1300351680, 7, 3822, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '38.109.187.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />Admitting that someone(anyone) caused you to leave for x amount of time is a tough thing to say, especially when you have an ego, when you&#039;re sensitive, and when you&#039;re in the spot light. I mentioned, then asked why didn&#039;t he join #IDL(I wanted to say something on the &quot;monitoring&quot; him comment, but couldn&#039;t find a good way to put it in.) Anyways, I didn&#039;t monitor Star(why would I, we barely communicated or didn&#039;t at all at the time) but someone in the IDL channel was, and they said &quot;Hey nostar/crapstar is on irc&quot; followed by &quot;really?&quot; which then myself along with how many others, did a simple /whois to see if they were right.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Your gay ass monitored him like crazy.&nbsp; I am &quot;inferring&quot; from your &quot;obsession&quot; with &quot;Nostar&quot; that you are a &quot;homo&quot;.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />Nostar overlooked my point about being absent in #IDL, He claimed to have been on IRC through his phone. I&#039;m not sure how hard it is to join the IDL channel through a phone, but seeing he does it to highlight for priv, it gives me the impression of: yeah pretty easy - so there&#039;s no real excuse to why he [b]couldn&#039;t have[/b].<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Your gay ass was heartbroken and then suspicious... and later jealous.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />I would imagine that saying why he didn&#039;t join #IDL would be pretty much admitting that Jen ran him off<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t really even know what to say.&nbsp; Do you really think that Nostar sits up at night worrying that he lost an IDL game?&nbsp; I mean sure, he&#039;s lost fewer on average than anyone else ever in the history of IDL, so really any loss is probably out of the ordinary, but still I don&#039;t think this is the norm.&nbsp; And I think the only person who would think this is the norm is someone who does this themselves.&nbsp; Consequently, I am &quot;inferring&quot; from your &quot;projection&quot; that you are a &quot;pussy&quot;.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />(seeing as no reason was given, and that any other reason than that one would not be too difficult to admit,<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually he just doesn&#039;t answer to you, even if it &quot;would not be too difficult&quot; to do so.&nbsp; Do you know why both Nostar and I avoid #idl oftentimes (and other channels, and other stupid crap in general)?&nbsp; It&#039;s because suddenly you look up and it&#039;s 5am.&nbsp; When I look back on my life, I don&#039;t want to think about &quot;all the good times I had with the internet personalities on IRC&quot;, or all the times I owned this idiot calling himself &quot;Strangle&quot;.<br /><br />Do you really think I&#039;m having trouble following your argument?&nbsp; You think Nostar&#039;s pride took such a monumental hit when Jenova&#039;s team beat his that he couldn&#039;t bear to show his face in #idl anymore.&nbsp; That&#039;s fine if you think that.&nbsp; It&#039;s also fine if you shove your tiny dick into soft cheese while you urgently whisper &quot;Jenova&quot; over and over again.&nbsp; My point is, like all other idiots in the world, you refuse to acknowledge that you&#039;re just making things up because they make you happy.&nbsp; Your evidence is that Nostar sort of but not really quit Doom, he didn&#039;t join #idl, and he wouldn&#039;t tell you why.&nbsp; THERE ARE DOZENS OF DOOMERS JUST LIKE THIS YOU DUMBASS, AND JENOVA DIDN&#039;T BEAT ANY OF THEM.&nbsp; POST HOC ERGO PROPTER HOC LOOK IT UP FUCK.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />it can be inferred that he doesn&#039;t want to answer it because it is about Jen, and doing that would prove anyone who thought that it was about Jen, right, and it would potentially boost Jen&#039;s ego to unbelievable levels. At that point, it would be difficult to save face(if it means anything to begin with, most likely does since it possibly is a factor contributing to this) and it could always be used against Star to hinder him(Jen made you leave so why should x matter, pretty much anything about Jen making him leave.)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think if you typed &quot;Jen&quot; one more time the forum software might have exploded and killed us all.&nbsp; Not everyone has weird obsessions with other Doomers.&nbsp; Some of us get dogs, or move, or get divorced, or get jobs, or go to school, or have kids, or get married, or graduate, or have fuckin car trouble you 14 year old.&nbsp; Goddamn.&nbsp; Nobody has to tell you anything about it either.&nbsp; And no, it doesn&#039;t mean we&#039;re secretly crying and we don&#039;t want anyone to know.&nbsp; For example, rather than F5 this thread every 20 seconds, I went to watch my DVR&#039;d Thunder vs. Heat game, during which I drank 1 beer and ate some cheese &amp; crackers.&nbsp; Just checking in with you, sir, I didn&#039;t want you to get the &quot;impression&quot; that you owned me so hard I was ashamed to show my face on the forums.&nbsp; I actually thought I Fatality&#039;d you, but I forgot this dumb game has multiple rounds (apparently).<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />Impressions aren&#039;t what they always appear to be.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Are you fucking kidding me.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />I can say you are a good doomer and I can assist you in setting up servers or what not, but I can think otherwise, and the intention isn&#039;t to compliment you or to help you out or what not, but instead so that I can have certain things that can only be acquired with sucking up(RCON, passwords, whatever else I can get from you with just &quot;impressions&quot;.)<br /><br />One word - Deception.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Thanks for explaining the intricacies of &quot;lying&quot;.&nbsp; You saved me a whole naive childhood!<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />Also, just for the record, Psychologists don&#039;t prove anything, they support or disprove. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Duly noted.<br /><br />[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3820#msg3820 date=1300343262]<br />Get on my level.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Dude, I can barely even get to the 3rd floor of the library without passing out.&nbsp; There&#039;s no way I could dig a hole deep enough to get to your level without dying first.&nbsp; Oh wait, [b]YOU WERE TRYING TO &quot;DECEIVE&quot; ME INTO DIGGING MY OWN GRAVE YOU ARE SO CLEVER AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA[/b].', 'xx', 1);
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	(4774, 494, 17, 1316388173, 157, 4774, 'Re: Booting out unwanted maps.', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.127.61', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=494.msg4773#msg4773 date=1316376422]<br />Arguing on the forums is much more fun than playing Doom<br />[/quote]<br />[img]http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii221/kingofMUGEN/1277833834.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4153, 443, 18, 1307377156, 15, 4153, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 6 - Jun 12) : ZDCTF26 (MAP 26) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '74.13.20.170', 1, 0, '', '[b]Super Chargers vs. Techno Vikings<br />[/b]<br />If ralph is there, suc will win.&nbsp; If he isn&#039;t, they won&#039;t.<br /><br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders vs. Electric Bills<br />[/b]<br />In prac hatred&#039;s team seem very lackluster. It seems like they&#039;re missing a trade or something to pull this team together, and to be a contending team in this league.<br /><br />DMR 2-0<br /><br />[b]Demonic Colts vs. Killing Browns<br />[/b]<br />This will probably turn some heads here.&nbsp; I can see blood being very rusty due to his inactivity and cost his team the game.&nbsp; Maybe if they put tai as a runner here they can pull something off, but they still have to worry about sabertooth chasing their flag.<br /><br />DMC 2-1<br /><br />[b]Spread Eagles vs. Flag Steelers <br />[/b]<br />Mike will get flags, legion won&#039;t.<br /><br />SPE 2-0<br /><br />[b]Sexual Panthers vs. Fnordy Niners AKA Team Euro<br />[/b]<br /><br />Team Euro has no chance, especially on NA servers.<br /><br />SXP 2-0 ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4520, 460, 17, 1312836253, 7, 4520, 'Re: Trade Rules', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.242', 1, 0, '', '=== Unfair trades (&quot;reasonable doubt&quot;)<br /><br />While I&#039;m not really sure whether or not we should rank players, there are some other problems with this.<br /><br />- Commish/Board voting is a huge conflict of interest<br />- &quot;I don&#039;t know what an unfair trade/pornography is, but I know it when I see it&quot; (People vs. Larry Flynt argument)<br /><br />Both of those things together make any kind of trade intervention ripe for abuse.&nbsp; It&#039;s one of the reasons Ralphis never denied a trade.&nbsp; If anything, it causes the commissioner to unfairly &quot;unbias&quot; their decisions - see Hatred trade.<br /><br /><br />=== FA subs<br /><br />I tend to agree with Ralphis.&nbsp; Really all this does is pass the buck on the administration and captains fucking it up.&nbsp; On the other hand, it&#039;s also a pretty good idea.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2320, 260, 1, 1282333121, 10, 2320, 'Re: Offensive maps', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t think grinds are bad and I think we should have these types of maps included. I think we found a great balance of maps this season. I think some of the types of maps Fast is talking about could be seen in weeks 1, 2, 3, 5, and maybe 7. Also, map31 is likely one of these maps too if you use the 5 flag standard as 6/8 of the rounds played on map31 this season ended with a 5 flag victory.<br /><br />When coming up with the schedule, I try to mix offensive and defensive maps as well as a mix of new and old favorites (01,31). Variety is the spice of life and I think that as long as we juggle these types of maps, we&#039;ll be better off for it. As you can see, we&#039;ve gone well past the days of 01, 04, 08 in every season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2319, 260, 1, 1282332248, 73, 2324, 'Re: Offensive maps', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 1282336439, 'Quiksilver', 'Agreed. there should be more maps where getting the flag is not the hard part, but getting to and from the bases is the tougher part. I mean... that seems like I&#039;m not making any sense, since alot of maps are like that. Like for example, we&#039;ll take map01. I can get to the enemy base relatively easily. I cannot however get from the entrance to the flag and back out the entrance (or exit) very easily. I probably get 20+ touches on map01, and OCCASSIONALLY score 1 or 2 a map. If I&#039;m lucky. The usual scenario on map one is, get the flag to the mid. You aren&#039;t taking it home, you were just the first, in a line of baton relays, passing it from mid to mid, to D, and the D scores, or maybe the mid scores. You know what I&#039;m saying right?<br /><br />However Map 31 is not like that [i]to me[/i] because getting the flag can be pretty easy at certain times. When the enemy is out of position, sometimes you can sail in, and grab the flag, and be at 100 health still. The fight usually begins when you are trying to run back. I like that style, because when you know the map pretty well, you can run it facing backwards, shooting behind you to cover yourself. *I realize that this is one of a few strategies, and this one only works when pulled at the right moment, and done the right way.<br /><br />Anyway, more maps that mimic the flow of 04 and 31 and even possibly 14 make for fun and energetic competition.<br /><br />I also think its safe to say that we, as players of a fast paced game, can eventually percieve maps that were once considered to be fast as hot shit lightning, to become a sort of slowmo. Our brains are getting used to these maps, and perhaps it requires something fresh and either faster, or equally fast. As long as its new. Maybe Beast has some of those new maps he and Ros Cab have been working on. I&#039;ve been meaning to ask him if I could do one. I have a good layout idea I wanna try.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2396, 264, 3, 1282886826, 69, 2396, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '129.101.48.140', 1, 0, '', 'In response to everyone:<br />[quote author=Goatface link=topic=264.msg2364#msg2364 date=1282540279]<br />Especially if you have a &quot;throwback&quot; name which references a previous IDL team.<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2403, 267, 1, 1283139748, 89, 2403, 'Re: ZDCTF MAP08', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.241.29.182', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t entirely think so.<br />Perhaps it would be easier with a team that doesn&#039;t communicate because then the person doing d at the top would be blinded by the side(depending on the base) but there&#039;s a reason why most if not all map08 games on priv go the full 15 minutes, because it&#039;s easier said than done. Anyways most games don&#039;t even hit 5 flags because it can be difficult. In theory this is good but in actual gameplay it&#039;s not that great, even in pub it can be a bit difficult but only because of the number of players.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9025, 888, 3, 1369684958, 216, 9025, 'Re: YEA WHAT', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.30.57.41', 1, 0, '', 'SAY WHAAAAAAAAAAT', 'xx', 1);
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	(2412, 267, 1, 1283177059, 0, 2412, 'Re: ZDCTF MAP08', 'Fastidious', '', '76.224.17.2', 1, 0, '', 'MAP08 is trash relying on stupid RJ abuse to cap flags.&nbsp; Why don&#039;t you post some great MAP08 matches and maybe I&#039;ll change my mind (3v3 only as that all that matters in regards to the IDL).&nbsp; Us newbies in the IDL aren&#039;t all Czech you know!&nbsp; In all seriousness I&#039;d have no complaint against MAP08 if the middle wall trick was removed.&nbsp; You&#039;d actually have to earn your way across middle then with team cover or mad skillz.<br /><br />Oh, and since Ladna asked here is my take on the current IDL wad maps.<br /><br />[b]replace/remove 1, 2, 7, 10, 11, 12, 14, 16, 19, 24[/b]<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp.wad/1-fortress-collision.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision[/b]<br />1 While still working in 3v3 (anything higher makes it much worse) I think there are far better options out there.&nbsp; Many other frag heavy maps offer more depth.&nbsp; This map is extremely defensive and dominated by the difficulty in getting a flag off the pedastal.&nbsp; Defensive SG spawners often cut down any attempt by an enemy to leave with a flag at middle.&nbsp; It&#039;s mostly just three big rooms, nuff said.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/odactf1.wad/map02%20-%20Something%20Epic%20II.png[/img]<br />[b]ODACTF02: Something Epic II[/b]<br />2 I won my first MasterBowl here so you&#039;d think I&#039;d love this map but it&#039;s not the case.&nbsp; A wide open flag room and SSG spawners make this into a grind.&nbsp; The teleporter can be used to good advantage but the problem is getting to the flag AND getting it into a teleporter.&nbsp; It usually is not going to happen even if you have divine intervention on your side.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp.wad/7-the-excavation.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF07: The Excavation[/b]<br />7 Numerous singular chokepoints that you must use make this near close to the ultimate grind.&nbsp; Surprisingly enough in larger matches than 3v3 plasmas spam and spawn point control can make this map more viable but it is never really that good.&nbsp; I&#039;m glad this is no longer the IDL opener!<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp2.wad/11-tribute.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF11: Tribute[/b]<br />11 Too big for 3v3 as often large areas of the map are without player presence.&nbsp; Two main routes and a big battle for mid field offer some depth but ultimately this map just doesn&#039;t play well in 3v3.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/32in24-4final.wad/map13_-_Azathoths_Decayed_Base_of_Boppin.png[/img]<br />[b]THIRTY413: Azathoth&#039;s Decayed Base of Boppin[/b]<br />12 I personally do like not this map because I feel like the 200/200 guy is too important here with plasma and running flags.&nbsp; I like CTF to be more of a team effort.&nbsp; This just feels abusive to me and there does not appear to be any strategy to counter it.&nbsp; I quite like the layout of the map but I just feel the 200/200 combo with plasma is just the only real option on the map now.&nbsp; Maps need variety.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp2.wad/16-return-to-phobos.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF16: Return to Phobos[/b]<br />16 It&#039;s a fucking hall, need I say more.&nbsp; While you think this map would have some real depth with 3 spheres to control and a few other options (OMG plasma!) this map still fails to deliver.&nbsp; The distance flag to flag and the amount of time you need to run down a hall kills it.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp2.wad/19-uac-headquarters.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF19: UAC Headquarters[/b]<br />19 Another map which suffers from size issues.&nbsp; Once you let an enemy flag carrier out of sight you&#039;ll have trouble finding him ever again unless you randomly bump into him.&nbsp; Good in 4v4 or more, but not 3v3.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp3-.wad/24-crawl-space.png[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF24: Crawl Space[/b]<br />24 The ultimate grind fest and defensive map.&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty sure if a competent team wanted to drag this out for a million rounds in the playoffs they could.&nbsp; Virtually impossible to score on let alone get a lot of touches in.&nbsp; You&#039;ll be praying for death after a team goes 3D for lulz.&nbsp; Oh, it also has a BFG that is a death trap just to piss you off even more.<br /><br />[b]maybe replace 5, 6, 8, 9, 21, 25, 27, 30[/b] <br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdectfmp2.wad/Map05%20-%20Legacy.png[/img]<br />[b]ZDE05: Legacy[/b]<br />5&nbsp; Actually have barely played this and never see it picked in priv.&nbsp; The matches on it were good but in my gut I just feel the middle area is too big and open.&nbsp; Like to play it some more.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/madctf.wad/Map11%20-%20Caves.png[/img]<br />[b]MADCTF11: Caves[/b]<br />6&nbsp; Haven&#039;t played this one much either.&nbsp; Given what I&#039;ve seen I&#039;d dare say it is too offensive and nigh impossible to keep your flag in base long.&nbsp; Seems too chaotic.&nbsp; Need to play it some more.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp.wad/8-something-epic.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF08: Something Epic[/b]<br />8&nbsp; Classic morphed into RJ abuse extreme and heavy defense to try and stop it.&nbsp; While a variety of routes exist good luck using them to any effect versus heavy D.&nbsp; The saving grace here is that it features heavy RJ use which virtually no other maps do.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp.wad/9-frozen.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF09: Frozen[/b]<br />9&nbsp; Featuring the BFG this map has a unique style.&nbsp; The main problem is often teams end up fragging and fighting for BFG all match.&nbsp; The side door makes capturing a possibility.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/32in24-4final.wad/map09_-_Generic_Gray.png[/img]<br />[b]THIRTY409: Generic Gray[/b]<br />14&nbsp; It&#039;s a fucking hall, part duex.&nbsp; The back gate is this maps only saving grace but even that doesn&#039;t do enough to make this good.&nbsp; I&#039;ll admit it does play OK but I just find rushing down the only hall way over and over to be bad form.&nbsp; There are better options out there.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp3-.wad/27-exophase-3.png[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF27: Exophase 3[/b]<br />27 Full of berserk packs, blue armor, some health and plasma this map has a lot of depth yet the long hall way flag area makes it very hard to get much traction on O.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zductf.wad/map30.jpg[/img]<br />[b]ZDU30: Redemption II[/b]<br />30 A very defensive map especially when teams abuse plasma spam but the back lifts allow a runner to use location confusion to his advantage.&nbsp; Blue armor also can be used effectively at times but it remains an item hard to secure.<br /><br />What is interesting is most of the maps are good and were used as regular season maps.&nbsp; Out of my rankings of the maps versus what was used:<br /><br />Week 1 MAP29, keeper<br />Week 2 MAP22, keeper<br />Week 3 MAP18, keeper<br />Week 4 MAP05, maybe replace<br />Week 5 MAP20, keeper<br />Week 6 MAP01, replace<br />Week 7 MAP32, keeper<br />Week 8 MAP31, keeper<br />EBL Homefield MAP20, keeper<br />BSK Homefield MAP22, keeper<br />SUC Homefield MAP12, replace<br />BBC Homefield MAP17, keeper<br />MasterBowl MAP03, keeper<br /><br /><br />So I do have some faith in the board and IDL players.&nbsp; Teams seemed to prefer good maps even in their home field picks.&nbsp; I put this down to these maps just being fun and still very possible to win at.&nbsp; We can keep going and just have all awesome maps in the future.&nbsp; The IDL wad doesn&#039;t have to be 32 maps if there aren&#039;t enough quality maps to fill it out!<br /><br />[b]keep 3, 4, 13, 15, 17, 18, 20, 22, 23, 26, 28, 29, 31, 32[/b]<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp.wad/3-exophase.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF03: Exophase[/b]<br />3&nbsp; This map has proven itself as wild and unpredictable.&nbsp; I think that is about the highest praise you can given a CTF map.&nbsp; It&#039;s not my favorite map since it has no real middle but I love watching teams play this.&nbsp; 2D is viable but I&#039;ve managed to get a flag out past 3D in the flag room in an IDL match.&nbsp; Anything is possible here.&nbsp; The DOOR for first pick.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp.wad/4-ralphis-magical-ice-forts.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF04: Ralphis Magical Ice Forts[/b]<br />4&nbsp; Frequently played classic which continues to hold up well due to allowing runners to make choices.&nbsp; Some tricks to drop flags on the bridges or middle into the sewers promotes smart play.&nbsp; A bit defense heavy but enough flag excitement to keep things interesting.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp2.wad/13-twice-as-simple.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF13: Twice as Simple[/b]<br />13 High speed wall running, huge variety of routes, back tracking and even hiding allows this map to stay fresh.&nbsp; Lots of crazy flag action here as runners frequently get lost by the defense trying to track them.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp2.wad/15-sewers-smell-bad.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF15: Sewers Smell Bad[/b]<br />15 Spawns seem to be off position forcing teams to play haphazardly at times and allowing flags to often leave their base but not necessarily get captured.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/32in24-4final.wad/map17_-_Buntaluffigus.png[/img]<br />[b]THIRTY417: Buntaluffigus[/b]<br />17 Originally disliked this map due to the ease and speed of capturing flags occured.&nbsp; Now that 2D is widely used here it&#039;s become more balanced.&nbsp; Still explosive you see many stand offs happeng.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp2.wad/18-the-old-castle.gif[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF18: The Old Castle[/b]<br />18 Classic high pressure offensive map where lots of middle flag returns happen.&nbsp; Stopping your flag from leaving the flag room is near impossible.&nbsp; Chaos and speed mixed blended together.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdectfmp2.wad/Map01%20-%20Cold%20Sweats.png[/img]<br />[b]ZDE01: Cold Sweats[/b]<br />20 Strong middle area but enough options for runners once they manage to get into the enemy base proper.&nbsp; Stand offs here are frequently intense as lots of tricks allow a runner to hang onto a flag for a long time.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/32in24-7.wad/map22_-_Gargantuan_Retarded.png[/img]<br />[b]THIRTY722: Gargantuan Retarded[/b]<br />22 Middle area dominated by sphere allows powerups to play a role in a map without being over powered.&nbsp; A wide variety of routes while still allowing mass fragging to occur straight up the middle.&nbsp; Defending here is tough as people come at you from all sides.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zductf.wad/map08.jpg[/img]<br />[b]ZDU08: Brickrun[/b]<br />23 Reminds me of ZDCTF MAP19 except more manageable in size to fit 3v3 play.&nbsp; There are probably too many routes here as a runner can quickly disappear once he loses the defense.&nbsp; Hiding and stand offs are a regular occurrence yet the map is not too big.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdctfmp3-.wad/26-status-idle.png[/img]<br />[b]ZDCTF26: Status Idle[/b]<br />26 Mainly a brute force map but with a good twist.&nbsp; Back halls and a main center lift allow runners some flexibility in their flagging attempts.&nbsp; Two blue armors allow runners the extra life they often need to pull off a daring capture.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdectfmp2.wad/Map07%20-%20Unholy%20War.png[/img]<br />[b]ZDE07: Unholy War[/b]<br />28 An improved version of MAP01 with more options and depth.&nbsp; Still dominated by a mid field this map offers very strong D but gives runners a few routes.&nbsp; Blue armor also spices things up and you never know who will have it.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/zdectfmp2.wad/Map19%20-%20Toxic%20Refineries.png[/img]<br />[b]ZDE19: Toxic Refineries[/b]<br />29 Teams are often struggling to stay balanced and on position here as it is easy to tip over to one side.&nbsp; A large middle area with blue armor adds some spice to the map.&nbsp; Runners can hide out or double back if they gain access to the long hall way giving them some breathing room.&nbsp; Plasma also makes an appearance but is often ignored.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/32in24-4final.wad/map31_-_Mountain_Zero.png[/img]<br />[b]THIRTY431: Mountain Zero[/b]<br />31 A frag fest which works since it is small enough to let enough flags slip out of the bases.&nbsp; Not much variety here but sometimes the teleporter can be used to good effect to capture flags.<br /><br />[img]http://static.intldoomleague.org/map_screenshots/32in24-7.wad/map27_-_Insane_Gunslinger_Compound.png[/img]<br />[b]THIRTY727: Insane Gunslinger Compound[/b]<br />32 A map I dislike but I admit it often leads to a good action.&nbsp; The flag room based D is often tough to crack but once a flag can get out you never quite know where it&#039;ll end up.&nbsp; Being extremely vertical makes it stand out from most maps.<br /><br />As for new IDL maps I&#039;d have to go looking but most SmartCTF maps are worthy.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5340, 531, 1, 1321139649, 0, 5340, 'Re: DTTC', 'Fastidious', '', '76.224.119.251', 1, 0, '', 'DEMO PLEASE!!!!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4522, 489, 17, 1312840423, 7, 4522, 'Re: Forfeits, etc.', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.242', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah, if there&#039;s anything we all hate, it&#039;s rules.&nbsp; I already kind of hate all the lawyering that goes on with the IDL rules; like are we really arguing what a &quot;trade&quot; is?&nbsp; WTF.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4656, 483, 16, 1314721674, 209, 4656, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '70.60.122.135', 1, 1314722126, 'AlexMax', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=483.msg4655#msg4655 date=1314685631]* MAP10 &quot;Something Epicish&quot; by AlexMax<br /><br />Need to play test this one more and see it played more but my feeling is playing D here is going to be a nightmare.&nbsp; I like the middle a lot but once an attacker gets into the base there are so many routes, little halls, and ways to back track that the map feels like swiss chesse.&nbsp; As a defender it seems a losing proposition to keep good tabs on attackers.&nbsp; I could be wrong if people heavily favor the faster routes close to mid.&nbsp; One possible change might be making the grate closest to mid into a real wall so that defenders can see/shoot an attacker going for sphere but not get seen or shot at themselves until the attack either enters that hall or comes around a corner.[/quote]<br /><br />Thanks for giving me the first piece of criticism that wasn&#039;t just &quot;It was too big/confusing&quot;.&nbsp; Your description tells me that you actually know your way around and can give me some valid points.&nbsp; And honestly, I totally agree with you on the defender hell point...yeah the base has a green armor and a soulsphere but there are tons of ways in:<br /><br />[list][*]The main route in, under the lights.<br />[*]The blue hallway right beside the obvious route with the backpack.<br />[*]The teleporter in the main atrium that leads to the back hallway.<br />[*]The back hallway through the teleporter by the Green Armor.<br />[*]The teleporter to the soulsphere through the cage hallway.<br />[*]The hallway closest to mid.&nbsp; Accessible via the main atrium or the bars, and you can come out on either side of the flag platform.<br />[/list]<br /><br />The result is that (blue base) you have two entrances on the east wall, one on the north wall, one from the southwest, a teleport destination to the west and a cage to the south you can&#039;t really turn your back to.<br /><br />Maybe this kind of flexibility might work in 4v4, but laying it all out there I kind of agree that it&#039;s a little complex for 3v3.&nbsp; And for all the flexibility of getting in, getting out is simple...just fall into the ditch behind the flag stand and take the bar doors to mid.&nbsp; So really, it doesn&#039;t matter how stacked a defender is if someone can be in and out so easily.<br /><br />So yeah.&nbsp; Trimming the fat.<br /><br />[list][*]First off, I think I&#039;ll place a blockade behind the flag stand that is too high to jump over so you can&#039;t just blaze through the flag stand and be gone.<br />[*]Xen thought that the entire green armor hallway made the map too big.&nbsp; I put it there because I wanted people to be able to shoot at people who camped in that little nook, but I could just delete it and see if camping turns out to be an issue.&nbsp; It wasn&#039;t an issue in UDMCTF MAP02 after all, which had a similar area (with a blue armor even).&nbsp; Killing that hallway will reduce the numbers of ways in from 6 to 5 and give the player an easy way to remember the main route of how to get to the flag (just run back as far as you can).<br />[*]However, I could also just delete that entire back of the base period, with nothing beyond the flag room and main atrium.&nbsp; That would also kill the teleporter in the main atrium and drastically cut the numbers of ways in from 6 to 3.<br />[*]Given all of these changes, I think that I might be able to give the map a different style entirely.&nbsp; The reason I used a something-epicish texture set for the current map10 is because the map was so tightly wound and looks had to follow the layout.&nbsp; With so much of the map gone, I could have a little more freedom in how I detail it.[/list]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4693, 499, 1, 1315295868, 1322, 4693, 'Re: North America Vs Europe', 'SwiftShot', 'markwwfc1992@hotmail.com', '93.186.30.244', 1, 0, '', 'In reality I know we would lose, I just think it would spice things up a little instead of the &#039;privvvvvvvvvv&#039; were going to be playing everyday for the next 3 or 4 months. Was just a suggestion anyway.', 'wireless', 1);
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	(8359, 827, 17, 1360824309, 1328, 8359, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '174.20.105.188', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=827.msg8353#msg8353 date=1360818374]<br /> I just wanted to call him out on it, and hopefully you will too. That is bullshit. I&#039;m pissed off. Fuck you.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[list]<br />[*]Tenchu<br />[*]Doomguy<br />[*]Nautilus<br />[*]Multiple teams forfeiting since season 10<br />[/list]<br /><br />Yet you wanna call Soul out? I don&#039;t agree with him about this as much as you, and I implored him right after his game with Rust to stay (which I guess worked?) but dude.. fuck off. You have other people to call out publicly.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8348, 823, 25, 1360632094, 16, 8348, 'Re: Week 6 - IDLCONT2013-03: Dirt Nap (FEB 11 - FEB 17) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', 'I predict I&#039;ll fuck shit up.<br /><br />Nublets.&nbsp; &gt;:(', 'xx', 1);
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	(4711, 502, 16, 1315413038, 213, 4712, 'IDL Map Contest Voting (altpriv.wad)', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 1315413295, 'MassVC', 'Read below thread before voting!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2322, 259, 1, 1282333459, 130, 2322, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Ok there are a few issues here.<br /><br />1.) Adhering to master banlist (and all that comes along with that).<br /><br />Adherence to the master banlist isn&#039;t that big of a deal in my opinion. We can run covert gaming servers for ralph if we need to and it gives us the zdaemon advertisement we want. The only real loss is that ralph can&#039;t watch games on public servers...unless he just gets another dynamic ip and goes in as &quot;some wrestling name&quot;. Yay, let&#039;s just do that. ZDaemon having some extortive control over IDL via the master server is laughable. If they decide to ban one of our players for anything but cheating there are two steps to be taken. Dispute, and failing that private the servers nullifying the &quot;deal&quot;. Seems simple.<br /><br />2.) Multiple advertised and unadvertised servers.<br /><br />I don&#039;t know if Kilgore means IDL can [b]ONLY[/b] use public servers. We certainly will have to hash that out if any of this goes forward. I would hope that there would be no need to covertly run IDL servers and that Kilgore would be happy with the compromise. Who knows.<br /><br />3.) Quik donating to TT<br /><br />Donations are always welcome. We have a paypal account totaltrashservers (at) gmail (dot) com<br />We appreciate any support we can get.<br /><br />4.) Ralph v Chain: The struggle for truth<br /><br />This was the part I laughed about here. First of all, I assume those Ralph quotes were irc quotes and in fairness we all say offensive and untrue things in irc for hilarious factor. I thought the greece thing was kind of ripe for the picking.<br /><br />I can think of many reasons to apologize even when I&#039;m in the right. The most common reason is when dealing with a woman, and a close second is to further an ulterior motive. Both might be applicable in this situation. <br /><br />5.) Kilgore&#039;s post<br /><br />It was Kilgore pitching a deal I guess. I have gotten the impression that he doesn&#039;t think much of IDL, regardless of our intentions. From his posts I gather that he doesn&#039;t really value our efforts or respect our ideas. This has only been reinforced by silly and irrational bans. If the deal is &quot;enforce our banlist and we&#039;ll advertise you&quot; then fine I guess. I have very little problem with that assuming we can negotiate our &quot;notable exception&quot; without any deception. On the other hand I&#039;m fine with deception too. <br /><br />My problem with his post is that he didn&#039;t say anything we didn&#039;t know. I knew ZDaemon would be okay with IDL if Ralph wasn&#039;t a part of it. But I don&#039;t really see what we get out of it that merits ousting him. More publicity to Central and South America? Awesome. We already have the dedicated Canadian European and American scenes involved...more so than they are in ZDaemon actually. The PR campaign for IDL this year by LB and others was actually very successful. That kind of targeted advertisement is probably more beneficial to IDL than ZDaemon advertising our league anyway. I mean maybe the new website will be awesome, but it&#039;s as likely that it will never be, or that it will be devoid of activity like the rest of the ZD scene nowadays. <br /><br />I actually think advertising on other gaming sites like Quake Live communities, TF2 sites and maybe Warsow sites would be more beneficial to IDL than advertising on ZDaemon. We already have the good parts of this community participating. If any of you guys play those games please advertise IDL to your friends. It&#039;s extremely effective because ZDaemon is fast-paced, addicting and easy to learn :)<br /><br />I&#039;ll concede this though; ZDaemon would be a great place to advertise IDL as it is played using ZDaemon software. I just don&#039;t know that losing an active player, captain and the founder of IDL is worth making that deal.<br /><br />5.) Reality of a public IDL<br /><br />My piece is that we should continue as we are. More old guys will quit allowing newer players to get their feet in and if we do expand IDL next season that should bring a lot of activity to IDL.<br /><br />Whoever is in charge of IDL...oh wait...Ladna I guess...oh wait...someone should talk to Kilgore about all this and see if he&#039;s willing to make a compromise. My guess is that he isn&#039;t but who knows. Chain is a miracle worker, maybe he can get something worked out.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2323, 260, 1, 1282334013, 2, 2323, 'Re: Offensive maps', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.52.171', 1, 0, '', 'I want to point this out real quickly:<br /><br />me: 6.822 touches per flag<br />jenny: 6.512 touches per flag<br />lb: 8.714 touches per flag<br />mantis: 6.679 touches per flag<br />gyross: 6.88 touches per flag<br />josh: 9.444 touches per flag<br />strangle: 10.188 touches per flag<br />ralph: 5.385 touches per flag<br />stall: 4.4 touches per flag<br />rott: 4.625 touches per flag<br />quiksilver: 49 touches for 0 flags<br /><br />So, dedicated runners like myself, lb, mantis, gyross are averaging around 7 touches per flag while less experienced guys like josh and strangle are averaging around 10 being semidedicated runners.&nbsp; Then you have ralphis, a big flag thief with about 5 touches per flag.&nbsp; Quik you have probably never had enough touches in a single game to capture a flag because you are pretty inexperienced as a runner.&nbsp; If you do not run on a weak team like DMR was, then you will not get caps ever really, unless you are expecting to run at a similar rate to more experienced players.<br /><br />As for offensive maps, I felt like most of the maps were quite offensive this season with the exception of a few.&nbsp; Keep in mind, the league is meant to be fun for everybody and as such you will probably always see a grind map because some players enjoy those types of maps, much how other players enjoy tricky maps or fast maps or what have you.&nbsp; I think one of the biggest ways to avoid grinding maps is to continually refresh the map pool we have with new maps that haven&#039;t been worked to death in practice.&nbsp; Every season new or unplayed maps are added to the maplist to keep things fresh and interesting, while providing quality play.&nbsp; I would suggest anybody who is interested in maps to keep an eye out for new material and relay it to someone on the board.&nbsp; I don&#039;t remember many people suggesting wads last go around except myself.&nbsp; Testing is another critical job, some maps are just plain broken or poorly made and are not found out until they are played.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2324, 259, 1, 1282335574, 7, 2324, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Adhering to the banlist isn&#039;t just a Ralphis problem.&nbsp; It&#039;s a, &quot;if Ladna says something that offends Kilgore, he&#039;s banned and his team is destroyed&quot; problem.&nbsp; Putting both of those issues together, it&#039;s hard for me to try and run a league under those circumstances.<br /><br />And I don&#039;t mind a live-and-let-live agreement.&nbsp; But that means IDL chooses who plays on its servers.&nbsp; I&#039;m not unreasonable, if a fallback private server is the compromise then that&#039;s fine with me.<br /><br />I personally think one of the biggest reasons for IDL&#039;s success is that it lets players play ZDaemon without fear of heavy-handed administration.&nbsp; Our players can say what they want in IRC, our forums, and our servers.&nbsp; We have a very pragmatic set of rules that are easy to understand.&nbsp; We have no problems engaging with the IDL community about the decisions we make, and the consequences thereof.&nbsp; Compared to ZDaemon, where there can be no criticism whatsoever of the administration, and where players are sometimes banned for playing a certain way in a CTF server (the DX &quot;Ruining CTF&quot; debacle), I think the IDL is just a better environment.<br /><br />So what do we tell players if IDL goes public?&nbsp; &quot;Hey guys, watch what you say now because if you offend a ZD admin they&#039;ll ban you and ruin the season&quot;?&nbsp; I&#039;m not going to be the one who says that one of the best things about IDL (general freedom to say what you want and play however you want to) is hereby revoked.<br /><br />I&#039;m not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here - I don&#039;t think this would happen to the majority of players - but I do think it [b]will[/b] happen, and we&#039;ll have to deal with it.&nbsp; Basically what that means is us asking the ZD administration to unban the guy so IDL isn&#039;t ruined that season, which will feel a lot like us strong-arming ZD because &quot;IDL is so great&quot;.&nbsp; Of course that&#039;s not what we&#039;re doing, we just want to play with our friends, and frankly we couldn&#039;t care less about who&#039;s banned on the ZD master as long as they can still play in IDL.<br /><br />On the face of it, it seems like IDL and ZDaemon would get along very well.&nbsp; ZDaemon&#039;s goal is to provide the best multiplayer Doom port, and IDL&#039;s goal is to provide fair, high-level ZDaemon CTF.&nbsp; Unfortunately politics have gotten in the way, which is really a sad thing.&nbsp; I&#039;d love to set the politics aside; but the fact is that none of this is under our control.&nbsp; We can&#039;t control who the ZD administration bans.&nbsp; We can&#039;t control who or what offends them.&nbsp; The ball has been in their court for a long time - IDL would like nothing better than to advertise servers all season long.&nbsp; But we refuse to have ZDaemon&#039;s administration enforce its politics on us.&nbsp; If &quot;accepting ZDaemon&#039;s support&quot; means we have to walk lock-step with their problems with other players and the way they run the community, then I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a fair trade.&nbsp; I don&#039;t participate in IDL for politics, I&#039;m not here to back anybody up or agree/disagree with someone&#039;s ban or argument, and I really can&#039;t see what any of that crap has to do with me at all.&nbsp; Let&#039;s just play some Doom.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3823, 410, 14, 1300353589, 89, 3823, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '98.199.179.106', 1, 0, '', 'I have all night, I hope you do.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]<br />Your gay ass monitored him like crazy.&nbsp; I am &quot;inferring&quot; from your &quot;obsession&quot; with &quot;Nostar&quot; that you are a &quot;homo&quot;.[/quote]<br />Ok<br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]<br />Your gay ass was heartbroken and then suspicious... and later jealous.[/quote]<br />Okk<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]I don&#039;t really even know what to say.&nbsp; Do you really think that Nostar sits up at night worrying that he lost an IDL game?[/quote]<br /><br />Ordinarily probably not - but since this was BSK it&#039;s different.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]<br />Consequently, I am &quot;inferring&quot; from your &quot;projection&quot; that you are a &quot;pussy&quot;.[/quote]<br />Okkk<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]Actually he just doesn&#039;t answer to you, even if it &quot;would not be too difficult&quot; to do so. [/quote]<br /><br />Ladna != Nostar<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]THERE ARE DOZENS OF DOOMERS JUST LIKE THIS YOU DUMBASS, AND JENOVA DIDN&#039;T BEAT ANY OF THEM. [/quote]<br /><br />So irrelevant, this is about the time Jenova insulted the crap out of Nostar, not about Jenova and anyone else. Faulty examples.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]I think if you typed &quot;Jen&quot; one more time the forum software might have exploded and killed us all.[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah Jenova is #1, he&#039;s also good at doom while you&#039;re not, deal with it.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]Are you fucking kidding me.[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah because you&#039;re so dumb, I do have to explain everything to you like a little kid.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]Thanks for explaining the intricacies of &quot;lying&quot;.&nbsp; You saved me a whole naive childhood![/quote]<br /><br />Yeah, you&#039;re very welcome. Though I have no idea what a 30 y/o is doing living in his childhood, I guess you do have a lot of growing up to do. <br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]Dude, I can barely even get to the 3rd floor of the library without passing out.[/quote]<br /><br />I believe it, if I had a big fat head full of idiocy I would struggle to go up stairs as well, but I don&#039;t :)<br /><br /><br />QQ more, please, this is great. <br /><br />btw standing up for you boyfriend is cute, I applaud your effort, really I do.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2325, 260, 1, 1282337689, 73, 2325, 'Re: Offensive maps', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 1282337808, 'Quiksilver', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=260.msg2323#msg2323 date=1282334013]<br />I want to point this out real quickly:<br /><br />me: 6.822 touches per flag<br />jenny: 6.512 touches per flag<br />lb: 8.714 touches per flag<br />mantis: 6.679 touches per flag<br />gyross: 6.88 touches per flag<br />josh: 9.444 touches per flag<br />strangle: 10.188 touches per flag<br />ralph: 5.385 touches per flag<br />stall: 4.4 touches per flag<br />rott: 4.625 touches per flag<br />quiksilver: 49 touches for 0 flags<br /><br />...&nbsp; Quik you have probably never had enough touches in a single game to capture a flag because you are pretty inexperienced as a runner.&nbsp; If you do not run on a weak team like DMR was, then you will not get caps ever really, unless you are expecting to run at a similar rate to more experienced players...<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well those stats were pulled out of the season, and I was only O on one map, and that was the very last map, which unfortunately slams my argument, as it was map31. <br />BBUUUTTTT I was referring to priv. Granted I now see that there is a heavy difference in gameplay from priv to season games, but two arguments in my defense are<br />1) Yes, my team did have something to do with it. In Priv, when my team was comprised of some better players than what I had in the season, on map31, I scored 3/5 flags. Not that I&#039;m making excuses for a failed season, but I at least KNOW as fact that given a better team, and put in the O spot, obviously anyones stats would be higher. But since this is my defense, I&#039;m referring to me specifically. And,<br />2) The opposite reciprocal is that priv games aren&#039;t composed of two teams who have a routine downpacked. rarely is the same two teams comprised of the same players on the same map more than once in .... we&#039;ll say a year. It makes me allowed to say things like &quot;I did well on this particular game against some heavy hitter D&#039;s and Mid&#039;s. Well I&#039;m sure if ZDstack took stats for touches to scores ratio [i]in PRIV[/i], as well as frag ratio (something similiar to Global Stats), I would be suprised, shocked even, if my stats weren&#039;t supportive of me saying (and in summation) I&#039;m not a terrible runner.<br /><br />Now I can&#039;t actually even validate my point, as tonight when we priv, I&#039;ll once again be on a laptop, and my stats are sagging due to this fact.<br /><br />Wow, I&#039;m making long posts today...<br />Anyway, I do agree, a balnce of O maps and D maps are probably a good thing, even crucial to a fun season, but I think that SOME maps that are defensive in nature (Cold Sweats anyone?) are less fun, and more aggravating. <br /><br />Additionally, I would like to say that the maps this season WERE good choices, however there were a few where our loss was less about the other teams O skills, and more of OUR teams difficulty understanding the map, and its defensive needs. And thats the point I was initially getting at, when a map is a pain to defend in a 3 on 3 match, it takes away its fun factor for some people. But its on a case by case basis. For instance, our match with KGB (ZDE05-Week 4) was nearly an upset because not only was it fun to defend, but its not too entirely difficult to do with one person. I was D that map, so I should know. We almost took them first game...no idea what happened second game. But I can say is that the hours we racked up training in that map made that map become one of my favorites.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6645, 645, 21, 1333760819, 8, 6645, 'Week 1 (APR 9 - APR 15) - ZDCTF04 (MAP04) - Discussion and Results', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[center][size=4][b]Official Servers for Week 1 of IDL-R Spring 2012[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b](TotalTrash Chicago)[/b]<br />[color=red][IDL-R Week 1 - MAP04 - A][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][IDL-R&nbsp; Week 1 - MAP04 - B][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][IDL-R Week 1 - MAP04 - C][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][IDL-R Week 1 - MAP04 - D][/color]<br />[b]216.52.143.234:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />Gotcha! City Goofballs vs Chaingun Rangers<br /><br />Moon Dolphins vs Boxers and Dooming<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8360, 827, 17, 1360827138, 163, 8360, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '108.73.174.113', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah, let&#039;s call out Mobius instead. Although he never actually quit, his presence alone would effectively be worth a forfeit every week. ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(2328, 260, 1, 1282341187, 205, 2328, 'Re: Offensive maps', 'STINKBOMB', 'vandergriftmachine@gmail.com', '99.91.199.144', 1, 0, '', 'Dumb fucks', 'xx', 1);
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	(2329, 260, 1, 1282344031, 7, 2329, 'Re: Offensive maps', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Heh, a lot of awesome threads lately.&nbsp; Good job guys :D .<br /><br />For me, some maps are clear grinds.&nbsp; MAP24, MAP01, ODA02, the pit map, etc.&nbsp; Other maps it&#039;s not so clear, let&#039;s take MAP04 and THIRTY4-31 as examples:<br /><br />First, these maps have a lot in common.&nbsp; It&#039;s difficult to dodge right after you grab the flag, so the announcer says [b]RED FLAG TAKEN[/b] and you get shot 80hp more often than not.&nbsp; They also have all SSG spawns, meaning that even when you kill the defense, they just respawn with all their health and commence shooting you with the best gun again.&nbsp; There&#039;s also not that much health - 3431 has the medikit and the 3 stimpaks, and MAP04 has stimpaks around the base, but runners can&#039;t be bothered to get them usually.&nbsp; In 3v3, these maps tend to go the full 10 minutes, but in 4v4 usually 1 team squeezes out 5 flags.&nbsp; 5v5 is a clusterfuck, so I won&#039;t go into it.<br /><br />That said, I tend to agree with Fastidious that these maps &quot;feel like&quot; grinds, even in a 4v4.&nbsp; And what I mean to say by that is that there&#039;s a difference between a map &quot;feeling like a grind&quot; and a map actually being a grind.&nbsp; I think that MAP04 and 3431 feel like grinds because there&#039;s exactly 1 way to run there, and it sucks.&nbsp; You can&#039;t really exercise any middle control in MAP04, and 3431 middle control is just playing defense at the doors instead of back by the flag.&nbsp; It oftentimes comes down to dodging, shooting, and picks - and after a while that can be either boring, or just unfair because someone&#039;s connection drops or your get PL and whiff a shot.<br /><br />Fast, what do you mean by &quot;flag action&quot;.&nbsp; Does this mean that it&#039;s easier to get flag touches, or that the flag is out more often than not?&nbsp; Do you mean maps should have more standoffs?&nbsp; Because to me, you have to open up the definition of &quot;grind map&quot; to a map where play is stale: there&#039;s one best way to play it, and it&#039;s a question of who messes up first.&nbsp; Lots of maps fall into this extra category, MAP04, 3431, MAP07, MAP08, and so on.&nbsp; To me, it&#039;s not about removing defensive camp points and SSG spawns, it&#039;s about giving the runner different options to attack, and middle different ways to control the flow of the game.<br /><br />Because think about how defense is played.&nbsp; Defense is basically killing your opponent every time they touch your flag (not frag ratio, as is commonly thought).&nbsp; The best way to ensure you kill someone is camp them - and in CTF it&#039;s easy because the flag is the ultimate powerup, the runner has to pass through that spot at some point, and has to go through very specific routes to get to that spot.&nbsp; If you remove defensive chokepoints, or you just create too many so they&#039;re not actually chokepoints, you&#039;re essentially turning the map into a standoff map.&nbsp; A lot of maps mitigate the &quot;multiple entrances into the base = standoffs&quot; issue by using stuff like lifts, slow doors/cages, trick jumps, etc., and they&#039;re pretty effective.&nbsp; 3413 (IDL map 12) is interesting because it uses the supercharge/megaarmor combo as a different method of attack, in fact, 3413 is probably the most interesting offensive map in the set because of the cage trick, the tele trick, and the charge run, and the fact that it uses a relatively open base and long middle killing field to keep it from turning into standoff city.<br /><br />Contrast that with MAP19, where standoffs are the name of the game - it&#039;s pretty easy to beat D there, and extremely difficult to even find the runner after they grab, let alone kill them.&nbsp; The only thing that slows runners down there is the fact that there&#039;s a choke point right at the middle, and that the map is so long the rest of your team can beat them to their base before they score.<br /><br />I&#039;m no fan of grinds, but I&#039;m not a fan of &quot;hunt the flag carrier&quot; either.&nbsp; I think that map design needs to consider game flow - what slows runners down, where middle player can get their information about runner routes and defensive positions (basically seeing the runner enter the base and where the defense is camped), and defensive first-shot positions as well as second-chance spawns.&nbsp; Most maps don&#039;t do any of that, it&#039;s just a happy accident that some of them work out.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2526, 270, 1, 1284277744, 46, 2526, 'Re: Voice for IDL matches', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '174.25.120.89', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=270.msg2520#msg2520 date=1284162368]Now that I have a good mic, I&#039;m looking forward to having more solid priv and pre-season games as I prepare for a [b]possible return to the league 8)[/b]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />o/', 'xx', 1);
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	(2326, 260, 1, 1282338481, 0, 2326, 'Re: Offensive maps', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 0, '', 'TBH this was probably one of the best seasons map wise in my opinion, but I do prefer offensive maps all around.&nbsp;  ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(2327, 242, 1, 1282339794, 0, 2327, 'Re: Remembering ex-IDL players', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 0, '', 'OK so this thread didn&#039;t really go where I expected so I&#039;ll post some more and see if anyone else adds on to it...<br /><br />Here are some people I remember and why I remember them:<br /><br />Potent - Just a real nice guy.&nbsp; Most people probably never really got to know him but since I was in NS for a while I did.&nbsp; I talked to him for hours at a time in PM.&nbsp; We used to talk shop about CTF for hours and hours.&nbsp; I&#039;ll always remember him since he had a quiet personally but deep down I think he was a competitive demon lusting for victories.&nbsp; Did I mention he was Asian?<br /><br />Cookies - Potent&#039;s cousin who was very laid back and loved to spawn frag.&nbsp; A super friendly guy who was into CTF for the fun factor not competition.<br /><br />Roak - I had the pleasure of playing with Roak in season 2, and I honestly thought we were going to go to and win the MasterBowl up until my connection shit on me in the playoffs.&nbsp; Roak is the only player I ever played with who I felt absolutely confident in putting him alone on D.&nbsp; I think he was the best D player to ever grace the IDL.<br /><br />Cha0tix - His bum rushing style of play is always entertaining to me.&nbsp; He also got involved in controversies which I always enjoy a bit.&nbsp; He liked to tell it as it is and now I don&#039;t think he even has a computer that works(?).<br /><br />Kyte - One of the few woman Doomers who liked to play D and was really good at it too.<br /><br />Whopper - An explosive runner who was very stylish in his play&nbsp; but also a nice person.<br /><br />Oscar - He had a bit of a brash personality a times but was a true competitor and improved a lot in his Doom over the time he played.<br /><br />GhostlyDeath - He was picked on almost universally but he wasn&#039;t nearly as bad as made out to be.&nbsp; I actually considered him an average player by the end of his IDL career.&nbsp; I never gave him a hard time as I thought he was a nice guy.<br /><br />DomRem - Did stats in season 1 IIRC and was going to do them in season 2 until he was replaced by the stats program and me.&nbsp; He was a weird guy who hung out with us on IRC but rarely played CTF.&nbsp; I think over the year or so I knew him he only played CTF like 5 times I saw.&nbsp; He was actually pretty good too so I never understood why he didn&#039;t play more or play in the IDL.<br /><br />Envy - A man of many aliases and a chataholic he was always friendly and full of energy.&nbsp; He could run map19 great but usually got fragged to hell on O.&nbsp; He was a fierce competitor and always managed to surprise people.<br /><br />Marine - I thought Marine was going to be an up and coming IDL player who would maybe even be a top player in a few seasons but he disappeared.<br /><br />El Link - A funny Mexican who could at times play surprisingly well but seemed to have problems being dedicated in the IDL.<br /><br />BloodStrike - A real faggot if there ever was one.&nbsp; I&#039;ll always remember being on voice with him and Tai while having a bad cold.&nbsp; I coughed about once every 2-3 minutes and BloodStrike started being a douche telling me not to cough so I snapped and went off on him.&nbsp; After that he STFU!&nbsp;  ;D&nbsp; He had an aimbot like SSG and a trash talking personality while showing to roughly half of his IDL matches.<br /><br />Thor - Another aimbot like SSG player which is about all I remember.<br /><br />Niv - How can we forget this guy?&nbsp; Always having some weird grand plan or story to tell us which no one believed but he was not a mean person.&nbsp; He was actually decent at CTF as well once he finally managed to play an IDL season.&nbsp; He should have stuck around to play more IDL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4211, 448, 18, 1308974535, 216, 4211, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 20 - Jun 26) : ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '65.92.127.153', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m sorry if my post was vague, but stall is right. I was not angry at TKV or the server conditions whatsoever. I was enraged about the circumstances that happened before the game (which was all to do with BBC). I am actually grateful that Rus still went through with the game, even though it was 35 min past the actual time. He&#039;s a great guy and the rest of TKV is awesome too. I apologize once again if my previous post gave off the expression that I thought our game was ruined or whatever by circumstances involving TT or TKV.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3645, 389, 14, 1299354927, 19, 3645, 'Re: Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.252.85', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=RecKle$$_ link=topic=389.msg3644#msg3644 date=1299346199]<br />its so cool to have new servers locations and its a shame that people keep using the same old tt...<br /> fags<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=155;type=avatar[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8432, 822, 29, 1361074566, 214, 8807, 'Re: February ''13 Onslaught Tournament', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.24.28', 1, 1364441081, 'Ru5tK1ng', 'Pick-Up #3<br />Wad: Forever Map02<br />Players: 8<br />Fraglimit: 40<br />Points Worth: 5<br />Gameplay Options: Freelook, OS Sound, OS Physics<br />Results: http://rust.unidoom.org/compet/febcoll2013/idlpickup%23003forever.htm', 'xx', 1);
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	(6646, 645, 21, 1333817775, 267, 6646, 'Re: Week 1 (APR 9 - APR 15) - ZDCTF04 (MAP04) - Discussion and Results', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.245.122.22', 1, 0, '', 'Hey deww dont you dare benching capo ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4139, 443, 18, 1306922721, 0, 4139, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 6 - Jun 12) : ZDCTF26 (MAP 26) - Discussion and Results', 'capodecima', '', '88.103.101.55', 1, 1306922862, 'capodecima', '[b][size=3][u]Super Chargers vs. Techno Vikings [/u][/size][/b]<br /><br />Russiandumbass is very good defender, but ralphis is freaky off player :) , this will close match , i think that win will TKV with hero man Turska.<br /><br />[b]TKV 2-1[/b]<br /><br /><br />[b][u][size=3]Doom Raiders vs. Electric Bills[/size][/u][/b]<br /><br />This will apparently quick match in director DMR, nostar with LB is very good here and with help maybe Bulb (he know and can use all tricks here) will DMR obvious winner.<br /><br />[b]DMR 2-0[/b]<br /><br /><br />[size=3][u][b]Demonic Colts vs. Killing Browns[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />I dont have not against nautilus but he is really bad cap, and his bad decision will suffer whole team. But ok KGB line-up dont look too much murderously. I wait 10 minutes matches without tactics and pretty much frags.<br /><br />[b]KGB 2-1[/b]<br /><br /><br />[size=3][u][b]Berserker Packers vs. Brokeback Cowboys[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />This will best match week 1. A lot best players. Great defensive and ofensive on both side. I dont have tip on winner here , but maybe will winner BBC, when will play dew&nbsp; ??? . <br /><br />[b]BBC 2-1[/b]<br /><br /><br />[size=3][u][b]Spread Eagles vs. Flag Steelers [/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />Legion have very good team, his two picks in line was very good. Potent can be very good off player and with Godlike in defense, can be very useful. But on second side very good mike, which can be really big problem for defender on this map and frag machine NOOB . I wait very close match.<br /><br />[b]1-1[/b]<br /><br /><br />[size=3][u][b]Sexual Panthers vs. Fnordy Niners[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />SXP have very good basis (bones with killingblair is best) but dont have third player much active (tobi and killforce), this will important why they lost with KNF clout lost traing. KNF and strangle is best&nbsp; ??? . But will very intersting who will defender in this team. Strangle is very offensive, gyross ditto , and nosturi with ping in defens, its very hard. <br /><br />[b]KNF 2-0[/b]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(2332, 250, 12, 1282361078, 73, 2332, 'Re: Dumb Flames S2010', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'People used to call me the worst Priv Captain of all time. Look at me now!<br /><br /><br />No jk, but seriously, when someone says I suck at doom, it just fuels the engine that drives me to get better than THEM, and then forever want to beat the ever loving shit out of them (in Doom, IRL Tai I&#039;m sure you&#039;re a pretty cool dude. But still, watch your back, lol)<br /><br />Long story short, my life won&#039;t be complete until I can run circles around the best. Although by my logic, by the time I catch up with anyone that is too far ahead of me, they would have gotten better than they are currently, making it impossible to beat them. FML.<br /><br />In related news, I also wanna fuck Nero&#039;s eyesocket with this<br /><br /><br />[IMG]http://i37.tinypic.com/2s0l3lx.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3265, 364, 14, 1295244013, 73, 3265, 'Re: IDL Streaming/Casting', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '99.71.124.161', 1, 0, '', 'I care, I just wish there was a channel that any player can login to and stream, so when someone else can&#039;t, another player can go to the same stream and login instead.<br /><br />I&#039;m making a channel tonight so I can be available too.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7095, 673, 17, 1340495256, 8, 7095, 'Re: is odamex ready for idl competition?', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Oops, meant to quote LB&#039;s post and not delete it. Basically the lift in map16 went nutso last night in practice, but Sean is looking into it. Might be a server issue, but will keep you posted.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2334, 259, 1, 1282372874, 163, 2334, 'Re: Thoughts on IDL going advertised', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m really happy to see some of this spark back up, admittedly I began to feel like it was dying off.<br /><br />Anywho, I suppose I&#039;ll say a few things here:<br /><br />When I began the Yo Yo thread, I had been inspired after watching some old guys play a few matches. It reminded me of the old days. It reminded me that at one time, you could load up ZDaemon and never have a problem finding a game in a mode you prefer. <br /><br />Bringing up the IDL and ZDDL gaining more support, and let&#039;s face it: assistance, from the staff was something I felt could be beneficial for the port and both leagues in the long run. Unfortunately, JKist3 has been gone for awhile and rumors continue to swirl whether he&#039;ll be back or not (I&#039;ll believe it when I see it). So it looks as the though the ZDDL may not be running this season (unless Dev or a few others manage to piece something together in a short amount of time - either way, they have their work cut out for them). I was happy to see most people felt the same way I did with a vision of the IDL going &quot;public.&quot; <br /><br />As time went on, more and more well-thought out posts with great ideas of expansion had come to life. After a week or two, the original thread began to die out and I became frustrated. I lashed out in hopes of sparking up debate again instead of being calm, cool and collective and allowing people to post when they were ready. Although I certainly will admit that I was way out of line for saying things how I said them, I&#039;m not sure I question the context of what I actually said, even to this day. I felt like we got no communication from the staff whatsoever, including Kilgore (who was on vacation at the time, which was something I wasn&#039;t aware of and have since apologized since he took time out of his vacation to respond to this - I probably would have been pissed, too). The fact is, however, Kilgore is not the only admin and there was nothing being brought to the table by them until someone lashed out. I don&#039;t condone it, but sometimes it takes a bit of a push to knock a boulder off a cliff, so if I had to be the &quot;asshole&quot; to do it, I&#039;d be more than willing to for the sake of discussion. So although I regret how I did it, I still wonder if these discussions and touchy subjects would have ever maintained their activity this long if I hadn&#039;t. <br /><br />That being said, I&#039;m not trying to make myself out as some hero for doing this. Despite what I&#039;ve said, in retrospect I probably would have waited a bit and tried to speak to one of the admins in private to point them to the thread to get their input. I was merely responding to what Chain said so he, as well as anyone else who questioned it, would have a better understanding of why I did it. <br /><br />I also agree with mike on a few things. Both sides could do a much better job of how we&#039;ve been representing ourselves. However, in a sense I&#039;m almost happy things have gone from sour to sweet and vice versa at times because being diplomatic and polite can sometimes cause things to get swept under the rug rather than dealt with at that time. Nonetheless, dosing the ZDaemon forums wasn&#039;t a very bright idea (even though it was kinda&#039; funny). It&#039;s one thing to be an irrational douche bag in the heat of a tense discussion but it&#039;s completely different to cross those lines. It was unrelated and had no way of benefiting the discussion. <br /><br />After I took a step back from the whole discussion to cool off and become a bit more collective, I did message Kilgore and apologize for how I said things but not what I said. In the end, we pretty much agreed to disagree on a few things and that&#039;s fine. I still think having the IDL [b]with[/b] Ralphis going public is a possibility. It will take some time and magic to be worked but I believe in the long run things will work themselves out for better or worse. Regardless, the IDL will run and ZDaemon will run, my hopes are and have always been to see them come together at some point. So yeah, that&#039;s pretty much all I have to say. More than anything, I simply wanted to clarify a few things and put in my two cents, so I did! <br /><br />P.S. mikehail is a sperm whale. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2335, 254, 1, 1282373903, 10, 2335, 'Re: Most Heroic IDL games', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'No, WAD&#039;s game in the wildcard round the week before against TCM also went 5 rounds. The only two 5-rounders in IDL history took place back to back on the same map', 'xx', 1);
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	(3824, 410, 14, 1300358348, 7, 3824, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '38.109.187.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Gay_Flare link=topic=410.msg3823#msg3823 date=1300353589]<br />I have all night, I hope you do.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=410.msg3822#msg3822 date=1300351680]<br />When I look back on my life, I don&#039;t want to think about &quot;all the good times I had with the internet personalities on IRC&quot;, or all the times I owned this idiot calling himself &quot;Strangle&quot;.<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7923, 766, 25, 1355571343, 216, 7923, 'Re: Winter 2013 Captains', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.83.78', 1, 0, '', 'Definitely not the list we are used to seeing, but nonetheless captains that have been chosen are all responsible people that are good for the idl community. It should be an interesting W2013!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7142, 694, 22, 1342209473, 8, 7142, 'Re: WEEK 2 - MAP01 ZDCTF01 (JUL 9 - JUL 15) - Discussion and Results', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[b]Brokeback Cowboys (0-1-0)[/b] vs [b]Berserker Packers (0-1-0)[/b]<br />[i]ThatsJustPrime, X-Ray, Fluffles, Killforce[/i] vs [i]SoulSucka, BloodStrike, HeX, GaX[/i]<br /><br />After a disappointing Week 1 loss, BBC is looking to claw it&#039;s way back to .500 just one day after losing their first game. Part of any teams success is how well prepared they are, but in this game I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s going to matter. BBC seems comfortable in their own skin and despite the lack of practice time, I&#039;m pretty sure they are going to take this one. Fluffles is a nearly unstoppable beast on Map01, and both Prime and Caution will provide more than good enough support to help him score. Of course, BSK is loaded with the fragtastic duo of Soul and Blood, so don&#039;t be surprised if they manage to take a round. I think the difference in this game is going to be the 3rds, something which BBC has a clear edge over BSK with. <br /><br />BBC 2-1 <br /><br />[b]Mass Destruction (0-1-0)[/b] vs [b]Killing Browns (0-0-1)[/b]<br />[i]Doomguy666, Climhazzard, Xyltol, Mobius[/i] vs [i]Tai, Caboose, DemonSphere, Capodecima[/i]<br /><br />The lag doesn&#039;t seem to stop for MAD these days. Doomguy and Xyltol returned to their laggy selves and put out a less than stellar debut game against SUC. That doesn&#039;t mean they can&#039;t bounce back, because they can. Hopefully they won&#039;t be on the same connection this week, because they could take this. KGB managed to tie defending champs SGS last week, which means they&#039;ll be fighting just as hard for that first win. MAD should be able to sneak by Tai&#039;s defense and get a few flags out. Tai will be sending both his teammates out to score flags and that will leave him exposed and vulnerable. If MAD takes the lead, they can continue to take advantage of the almost-guaranteed Tai leaving D shtick. We&#039;ll see.<br /><br />MAD 2-1<br /><br />[b]Sexual Panthers (1-0-0)[/b] vs [b]We&#039;re All Doomed (1-0-0)[/b]<br />[i]HumanBones, Ru5tK1ng, Legion, JCDenton[/i] vs [i]Stall, Sabertooth, Nosturi, Shane[/i]<br /><br /> ;D ;D ;D ;) ;) :) &gt;:( :( ::) :-* :&#039;( :-X :-X :-[ :P :-X :-X :-X :-X<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers (1-0-0)[/b] vs [b]Super Shotgun Spurs (0-0-1)[/b]<br />[i]Ralphis, LordBritish, Reckless, Dew[/i] vs [i]Hatred, Shakal, Collision, Roscoe[/i]<br /><br />SGS seems to think it can coast through this season with little to no practice, so maybe what I&#039;m about to say will inspire them a little: [b]Blowout[/b]. There is no way this game is going to be close if SGS continues with their nonchalant attitude towards practicing and actually getting used to Odamex. They are going to have a hard time killing a rabid, spawnraping Ralphis in their base and they are going to get distracted and let someone else get out with the flag. I really hope this is not going to be the case, because I think SGS is probably overall the better team. With enough practice SGS can completely turn this game around and Hatred can show why he won the MasterBowl last season. I just haven&#039;t seen the ambition yet.<br /><br />SUC 2-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(3950, 424, 18, 1303454653, 10, 4079, 'IDL Summer 2011 Signups Open', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 1306124275, 'HumanBones', '[center][b][size=16pt]IDL S2011 Signups Open[/size][/b][/center]<br />[center]<br />[b][color=navy]The 10th IDL Season.[/color] [color=maroon]Be a part of history.[/color][/b][/center]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Signups for IDL Summer 2011 are now open!&nbsp; Interested players may sign up using this template:<br /><br />[quote]<br />Name: Ralphis<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email contact: ralphis@coolsite.com<br />Instant Message Contact: ralphissfr6 (AIM)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings except Wednesday and Friday (due to work)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />IDL is still invite-only, and we are first and foremost interested in signing up [b]active players[/b] in IDL, and the best ways of us finding out who&#039;s active and who&#039;s not are [u]Private CTF[/u], [u]IRC[/u], and this thread.&nbsp; If you know of players who would be interested, feel free to have them sign up here. However, simply signing up in this thread [b]does not[/b] guarantee an invite.<br /><br />[u][b]The best way to increase your chances of receiving an invite is to play Private CTF with the other IDL players, as well as spending time in the official IDL IRC channel.[/b][/u]&nbsp; For Private CTF info and the latest IDL news, come to #idl at irc.quakenet.org.<br /><br />Signups will close at 11:59pm EST, May 4th, 2010.<br />', 'wink', 1);
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	(9350, 944, 31, 1379378601, 214, 9350, 'Re: congrats on kgb''s win', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '98.197.197.44', 1, 0, '', 'Honestly, even if AVC didn&#039;t lag, legion surely wouldn&#039;t have made any caps regardless since he was too busy slamming into walls all game.<br /><br />In addition, any sort of tic buffer wasn&#039;t in the talks because neither dew or HumanBones thought it was important enough to raise awareness with the rest of the board. Also it seems the devs have been making more strides to stick to their own development time table rather than the IDL&#039;s. <br /><br />I honestly don&#039;t give a damn about anything at this point. I&#039;m just going to get Jenova to DDOS my remaining opponents.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3266, 372, 3, 1295269570, 1328, 3266, 'Re: Hiya', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '69.126.162.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fluffles link=topic=372.msg3255#msg3255 date=1295101845]<br />Welcome to Zdaemon and IDL, prepare to work alot harder than them skulltag scrims you do.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />&gt;Implying we need to work in order to win on ST', 'xx', 1);
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	(2337, 246, 1, 1282419663, 73, 2337, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'What the hell language is that Alex? Google Chrome didn&#039;t even offer me to translate. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3825, 410, 14, 1300360971, 157, 3825, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.116.0.233', 1, 0, '', 'hello people, I would just like everyone to know that I&#039;m extremely gay<br /><br />carry on', 'xx', 1);
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	(3537, 389, 14, 1297990969, 130, 3537, 'Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 1297993718, 'nostar', '[u][b][size=4]Totaltrash is proud to announce a second server set![/size][/b][/u]<br /><br />Located in the Chicago Board of Trading Building (CBOT) and hosted by FDC Servers, Totaltrash FDC is carried by 5 transit-free&nbsp; bandwidth providers (3 tier-1).<br /><br />The server houses a Phenom II processor with 8GBs of RAM and a 100 Mbps uplink.<br /><br />Totaltrash FDC&#039;s current hosted servers are as follows:<br /><br />[Private CTF]<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]67.159.45.71:11014[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[IDL Servers]<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]IDL - A&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 67.159.45.71:11022[/li]<br />[li]IDL - B&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 67.159.45.71:11023[/li]<br />[li]IDL - C&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 67.159.45.71:11024[/li]<br />[li]IDL - D&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; 67.159.45.71:11025[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />For ease of adding here is the IDE section for adding IDL servers to IDE.cfg:<br />(I don&#039;t use ZLauncher at all so I am of no help there)<br /><br />[CustomServers]<br />server0=1,66.225.231.106:11014,,Private CTF Chicago<br />server1=1,66.225.231.106:11022,,IDL - A<br />server2=1,66.225.231.106:11023,,IDL - B<br />server3=1,66.225.231.106:11024,,IDL - C<br />server4=1,66.225.231.106:11025,,IDL - D<br />server5=1,67.159.45.71:11014,,Private CTF FDC<br />server6=1,67.159.45.71:11022,,IDL - A FDC<br />server7=1,67.159.45.71:11023,,IDL - B FDC<br />server8=1,67.159.45.71:11024,,IDL - C FDC<br />server9=1,67.159.45.71:11025,,IDL - D FDC<br /><br />For clarification purposes and to avoid delay and dispute I want to refer in this post to the current IDL rule governing server selection.<br /><br />[quote author=IDL Rules]All games must be played on official IDL servers[/quote]<br />These are official IDL Servers. Games CAN and SHOULD be played on them.<br /><br />[quote author=IDL Rules]In the event of server disputes, or should no discussion take place, TotalTrash Chicago will be used[/quote]<br />This new server set [u][b]DOES NOT[/b][/u] mean anyone has to play on them. To play on any server other than Totaltrash Chicago both captains must be in agreement. In the event one captain wishes to use Totaltrash FDC and the other wants to use Totaltrash Chicago, the game will default to Totaltrash Chicago.<br /><br />[quote author=IDL Rules]Should the hosting server become unavailable during a scheduled game time, that game will be postponed. [/quote]<br />If a game is slated to be on Totaltrash Chicago and the server goes down the game is postponed, unless both captains agree to play on a separate server. In the case no agreement can be made the game is postponed.<br /><br />Summary: No captain can be forced to play on any server except Totaltrash Chicago. Additional server sets, even under the Totaltrash name, will not be used unless both captains agree.<br /><br />Now that is is clear, I hope you guys take advantage of this new resource. And be sure to thank Quiksilver if you see him. It&#039;s really awesome to see people contributing to IDL.', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(2338, 246, 1, 1282420425, 130, 2338, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1282420616, 'nostar', '[quote author=Quiksilver link=topic=246.msg2337#msg2337 date=1282419663]<br />What the hell language is that Alex? Google Chrome didn&#039;t even offer me to translate. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum', 'xx', 1);
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	(2340, 246, 1, 1282426603, 73, 2340, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=246.msg2338#msg2338 date=1282420425]<br />[quote author=Quiksilver link=topic=246.msg2337#msg2337 date=1282419663]<br />What the hell language is that Alex? Google Chrome didn&#039;t even offer me to translate. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum<br />[/quote]<br /><br />ahh, aren&#039;t I the fool. Its cool, because I&#039;ve never seen that before and it makes total sense to do that when just designing the site. Mental Datalog updated. ^_^', 'xx', 1);
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	(7096, 673, 17, 1340512143, 214, 7096, 'Re: is odamex ready for idl competition?', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.183.150', 1, 0, '', 'Hi bones, your zdism is showing. ::)', 'xx', 1);
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	(3646, 398, 14, 1299383481, 130, 3646, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '38.109.187.5', 1, 1299383586, 'nostar', '[list][quote] Rust says dumb things[/quote]<br /><br />[list][li]I don&#039;t have a problem with higgs. I just don&#039;t think he&#039;s as important to his team as say...you, mass, prime, or even noob/turska. Just because I think he&#039;s a terrible pick for RoY doesn&#039;t mean i have a problem with him.[/li]<br />[li]Strangle didn&#039;t get enough mentions but voting for your brother is like voting for yourself. See Doomguy&#039;s defense of anything Dragan ever did. It&#039;s somehow disingenuous. <br />[/li][li]Ralph is a terrible MVP pick. You&#039;re dumb for saying that. [/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[quote author=Hatred link=topic=398.msg3637#msg3637 date=1299251783]<br />He&#039;s from Texas, Dew. That&#039;s just how they speak &#039;round those parts.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />&quot;Being from texas&quot; is no longer a viable excuse for idiocy. Bush tried to use it too but we just can&#039;t accept it any longer. Secede already so we can nuke you and wipe you guys out. Legion you can be an immigrant math teacher I suppose.[/list]', 'xx', 1);
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	(9433, 961, 18, 1382306116, 2303, 9435, 'Masterbowl 2013', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.245.135.86', 1, 1382487225, 'Watermelon', 'Masterbowl is coming to a city near you!<br /><br />RMR vs RRS<br />Time: SUNDAY 7 PM EST', 'xx', 1);
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	(4188, 447, 18, 1308514492, 163, 4188, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 13 - Jun 19) : CC11: Isolation (MAP 28) - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.211.55', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ve been meaning to ask why you don&#039;t change your avatar, LB. I know Mccoy is one of your favorite players but he&#039;s also a Brown now, which should be a reason for you to update it. Although, with Texas, he did win a lot, with Cleveland, he doesn&#039;t. :\\', 'xx', 1);
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	(4212, 448, 18, 1308990513, 75, 4212, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 20 - Jun 26) : ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'i think i connected to irc 2 minutes before gametime, because that&#039;s when i woke up, heh. i was out of town for a few days (with very, very little sleep) and it was a small miracle i got online at all, i didn&#039;t know anything about the schedule. i was playing on a shitty 1mb wifi and it kept disconnecting and giving me all sorts of problems. i only agreed to play like this because madv couldn&#039;t make the match in scheduled time. oh and tt booted me on map restart and i reconnected to see turska running out of our base with the first flag.<br /><br />a shame, it could&#039;ve been a tight match without all the hindrance. star should probably just shut up, cause his only stake in this argument is his shitty server that destroyed the mood in round1. no one cares what his team would do, he&#039;s not even a cap and i think we can go on without more star-blackmailing-own-cap stories. bitching after a hand of god catastrophe is natural, so please, let us have our moment.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2339, 246, 1, 1282426301, 0, 2339, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 0, '', 'Actually a simple site like that would be pretty awesome.&nbsp; The only thing the layout is really missing is columns.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8528, 845, 28, 1361696370, 157, 8528, 'Re: Odamex damage system compared to ZD', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '173.59.166.160', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t really care what damage the ssg does as long as I can aim at the player sprite and hit it rather than have to aim behind/forward/somewhere<br /><br />by the way I think compared to the other ports, the oda ssg cone of damage feels somewhat wider. I don&#039;t know why it feels that way, but it just does. maybe some further testing down that path could yield something', 'xx', 1);
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	(8072, 777, 25, 1357422122, 1328, 8072, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '184.97.198.17', 1, 0, '', 'KGB and SXP makes it to MB or at least late playoffs.<br /><br />Everyone else does medicore or bad.<br /><br />Ten&#039;s team sinks into the bottom of the Atlantic. There he can speak to Rust about why is it their season tanked.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8283, 815, 17, 1360372200, 1328, 8283, 'LIMITATION??', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '174.20.105.188', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8281#msg8281 date=1360371285]<br />it&#039;s what it is, because I play with it daily.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You are now suddenly an expert on Doom mechanics because you observe weapon behavior without actually looking at code?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7097, 669, 23, 1340630364, 2197, 7097, 'Re: Green Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Merk', 'merk21582@yahoo.com', '65.28.234.164', 1, 0, '', 'VS Mr. Crispy<br /><br />Screenshots<br />Game 1: http://imgur.com/VaF9O<br />Game 2: http://imgur.com/vVP94<br /><br />Demos<br />Game 1: http://www.sendspace.com/file/ol2b34<br />Game 2: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jinfgv<br /><br /> ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4063, 136, 1, 1305831848, 19, 4063, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.249.152', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/nE47w.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8361, 827, 17, 1360827176, 19, 8361, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', 'ill 1v1 everyone in this topic<br /><br />bad nerds<br /><br />kids cant play doom<br /><br />get on my level<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />accurate representation of everyone in doom', 'xx', 1);
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	(2336, 246, 1, 1282400172, 209, 2343, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '174.108.7.186', 1, 1282462677, 'AlexMax', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=246.msg2304#msg2304 date=1282276802]<br />http://forums.zdaemon.org/viewtopic.php?t=13438<br /><br />Obviously that is about as close as the IDL will get to an official invite but does anyone actually trust the ZD team?&nbsp; I think public ZD advertisement especially in the launcher might be near invaluable to make sure everyone knows about the IDL but at the same time I have a feeling it&#039;d end up with the IDL leaving shortly.&nbsp; We like open discussions and have grown used to freedoms.&nbsp; I like the idea of a blog and shit but all the stuff I want to post about would lead to discussions like we have on these forums and would therefore probably be &quot;accidentally deleted&quot;.&nbsp; Personally I wish the IDL community could add a community site which has news and columns as an alternative to ZD support.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ve been tooling around with a multiplayer community site on and off for a while that is port agnostic.&nbsp; Not a whole bunch of progress has been made (and I&#039;m terrible at web design, so currently the site looks like [url=http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1446507/altdeath/take2/index.html]ass[/url]), but the recent drama with ZD and ST has got me working on it again.<br /><br />Considering how I like to take my time, however, I might just go ahead and throw up a wordpress and a punbb and let people go at it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2344, 250, 12, 1282485583, 26, 2344, 'Re: Dumb Flames S2010', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '62.31.58.194', 1, 0, '', 'Quik, you&#039;re shit and always will be.<br /><br />Good day.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4379, 136, 1, 1311925930, 19, 4379, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 1311926231, 'Xenaero', 'Q: Why are aspirins white?<br />A: Because they work<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/34EIW.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2346, 253, 12, 1282495974, 19, 2346, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m using my 200th post to tell BBC and BSK to hurry the [size=7]f[/size] up', 'xx', 1);
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	(3267, 372, 3, 1295287409, 38, 3267, 'Re: Hiya', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.41.122', 1, 0, '', 'I still refuse to call DD Xenaero.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2347, 250, 12, 1282496377, 73, 2347, 'Re: Dumb Flames S2010', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Quiksilver link=topic=250.msg2332#msg2332 date=1282361078]<br /><br />...No jk, but seriously, when someone says I suck at doom, it just fuels the engine that drives me to get better than THEM, and then forever want to beat the ever loving shit out of them...<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Nero link=topic=250.msg2344#msg2344 date=1282485583]<br />Quik, you&#039;re shit and always will be.<br /><br />Good day.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re a good friend ;P Inspiring me to be a better me. How sweet of you', 'xx', 1);
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	(2348, 250, 12, 1282496685, 26, 2348, 'Re: Dumb Flames S2010', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '62.31.58.194', 1, 0, '', 'But you can&#039;t and won&#039;t. Have fun trying, though.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2349, 263, 1, 1282504986, 49, 2349, 'Mike take a pic of your kitchen', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '.', 'angry', 1);
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	(2350, 263, 1, 1282505074, 158, 2350, 'Re: Mike take a pic of your kitchen', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.84.100', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m 100% on this, I&#039;ve heard much about &quot;Mikehail&#039;s Famous Spaghetti&quot;, and I would just like to see which utilities he uses and how he gets the job done in his amazing kitchen.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3826, 410, 14, 1300373306, 163, 3826, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.107', 1, 0, '', 'I literally have no idea what&#039;s going on anymore. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3538, 388, 14, 1298009462, 2, 3538, 'Re: Pre-Pre-Post-Season Predictions Predictions', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.59.231', 1, 0, '', 'Fun Fact:&nbsp; I have never played a Conference Finals I didn&#039;t lose 2-0.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3647, 398, 14, 1299384895, 214, 3647, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.68.74.76', 1, 0, '', 'Okay. How is Dumbguy&#039;s defense of his cheater brother relevant to anything? Biased and dumb? I even pointed out that strangle&#039;s biggest and main flaw is that he doesn&#039;t use his head (see map20 mountain d for example). How is that being biased? It cannot be dumb since I&#039;m not defending him or making excuses for his lack of brain power. As for my MVP pick, it was a little bit of a troll. There are several people who can be arguably MVP of the season but at the end of the day it&#039;s more of popularity contest. Just because you may not like Ralphis or think he&#039;s MVP material (he really is better than you though) doesn&#039;t make my pick any less valid than yours or everyone else.<br /><br />The only thing dumb is someone getting butthurt and taking a leave after getting burnt on irc.&nbsp; ::)', 'xx', 1);
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	(8795, 870, 17, 1364270368, 157, 8795, 'Re: ThatsJustPrime is New Board Member', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '173.59.166.160', 1, 0, '', 'piss', 'xx', 1);
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	(4658, 483, 16, 1314749242, 8, 4658, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '98.234.131.145', 1, 1314759353, 'HumanBones', 'I scribbled down some notes on a notepad and I decided to take a [b][url=http://humanbones.unidoom.org/idl/contest.jpg]picture[/url][/b] to show Mass how much work I did. He told me I write like a girl. I guess I&#039;ll type out my notes.<br /><br />Basically, I said &quot;yes&quot; or &quot;no&quot; depending on whether I thought that particular map would work well in the IDL. I also scribbled some suggestions.<br /><br />Map01: Yes. There should be some way to make the lift before the teleport going into each base the same speed/take the same amount of time as the bars on the way out. <br /><br />Map02: No. The layout is boring and the gameplay is nothing special. Stupid underground tunnel. <br /><br />Map03: Maybe. The lava is bad (fixed). I also think its too easy for someone to get out with a flag. I would get rid of the wallrunning in the tunnels and make the mid bigger.<br /><br />Map04: No. The base is too convoluted for 3v3. The middle really doesn&#039;t make a lot of sense to me, and if the base is already confusing, why must the middle be too?<br /><br />Map05: Yes. A second way out of the base was my main concern before. I think this map could provide great IDL games.<br /><br />Map06: Yes. This map plays great. No changes.<br /><br />Map07: Yes. I would however do something about the pointless room next to the flag, and that isn&#039;t really even a huge deal. It plays well enough at least.<br /><br />Map08: No. It makes me a little claustrophobic. Not really sure why the spawn rooms are so small.<br /><br />Map09: Yes. A great, simple layout. A [i]rich[/i] man&#039;s map14 :)<br /><br />Map10: Yes. Neat layout. I really prefer the other map Alex made though. <br /><br />Map11: No. I would say yes pending some changes: take out the middle completely and just connect the bases. The middle is kind of a wreck but the bases are pretty awesome. I love that the lift behind each flag only takes you 5 feet away.<br /><br />Map12: Yes. I see this as a high scoring map. I think it will end up being difficult to defend. I don&#039;t know whats up with where the flag is though. Mass said he&#039;d get married under there. <br /><br />Map13: No. A little too big for 3v3.<br /><br />Map14: Yes. Although DQ&#039;d from the contest, I think this would prove to be a fun IDL map. I&#039;d remove the part of the side hallways that lead into each base, so that flag carriers have to run out into the middle.<br /><br />Map15: Yes. Although I expect some plasma whoring, and I&#039;m not really sure if the plasma belongs in that map. Not the best, but good.<br /><br />Map16: Yes. Great gameplay, no changes.<br /><br />Map17: Yes. I would get rid of the side tunnels. It&#039;s sort of big already, those tunnels just make it silly.<br /><br />Map18: Yes. I love the gameplay here, and I love the RJ areas. I don&#039;t even use mouselook and I think that&#039;s pretty sick. My current favorite.<br /><br />Map19: Yes. The only thing I would have changed was the bridges, which are already being worked on!<br /><br />I was very surprised at how many great maps came out of this contest. This was a huge success and I hope we see more of these in the future!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2341, 262, 26, 1282444990, 0, 2342, 'Some cool capture stats', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 1282451303, 'Fastidious', 'OK these can mean a lot or not much depending on how you look at them.&nbsp; Obviously someone who doesn&#039;t play dedicated offense is going to have a hard time capturing much or leading any capture stats.&nbsp; Also I counted any season even if people played just one round regardless if they captured or not.&nbsp; So if you had some weak seasons where you didn&#039;t play much it definitely brings down your per season average.&nbsp; Only ten players in the 100+ capture club!<br /><br />Captures per season<br /><br />36 Jenova<br />28.3 Chaindude<br />26 Cha0tix<br />23.7 Mikehail<br />23.5 Ralphis<br />22 Caboose<br />21.8 Potent<br />19.5 Oscar<br />19 Oath<br />18.7 Humanbones<br />18.6 Mantis-X<br />18.5 Fastidious<br />18 Joshsmith<br />17.4 Sabertooth<br />17 BloodStrike<br />17 Gyrossman<br />16.8 Metalblack<br />16 Whopper<br />15.8 RottKing<br />15.5 Whiteboy<br />15.3 Shadow Ghost<br />15 Cookies<br />14 Mionic Donut<br />13 Ladna<br />12.7 LordBritish<br />12.3 Nero<br />12.2 Stall<br />12 Doomguy666<br />12 Yuna<br />11.4 Tai<br />11 Roaketes<br />10.7 Kandy Kid<br />10.5 X-Ray<br />10.3 Midian<br />10.3 Nostar<br />10.2 Shakal<br />10 Collision<br />10 DevastatioN<br />10 Nautilus<br />9.8 Envy<br />9.7 GhostlyDeath<br />9.3 JKist3<br />9 Anger<br />9 Kyte<br />9 Stereo<br />9 Strangle<br />9 Wrath<br />8.7 Dewww<br />8.3 Deathbringer<br />8.2 KillingBlair<br />8 Gilgamesh<br />7.9 Xenaero<br />7.5 Roscoe<br />6.7 RussianDumbass<br />6.5 Dragan<br />6 Climhazzard<br />5.5 Hatred<br />5.2 Goatface<br />5 Marine<br />4.9 Beast<br />4.5 Dosu<br />4 Legion<br />2.7 Rexn0r<br />2.5 Ghoulslayer<br />2.3 Acolyte<br /><br />Total captures over all IDL seasons<br /><br />188 Ralphis (8 Seasons, 20+36+29+14+28+9+26+26)<br />166 Mikehail (7 Seasons, 1+1+24+19+51+25+45)<br />131 Humanbones (7 Seasons, 27+19+18+26+16+10+15)<br />130 Mantis-X (7 Seasons, 25+20+21+19+18+17+28)<br />126 RottKing (8 Seasons, 18+34+11+21+16+1+9+16)<br />122 Sabertooth (7 Seasons, 27+33+7+8+21+19+7)<br />113 Chaindude (4 Seasons, 22+35+27+29)<br />111 Fastidious (6 Seasons, 45+28+10+15+2+11)<br />109 Potent (5 Seasons, 36+15+11+28+19)<br />107 Shadow Ghost (7 Seasons, 3+13+24+15+23+20+9)<br />95 Oath (5 Seasons, 13+27+26+15+14)<br />93 Whiteboy (6 Seasons, 11+8+27+12+17+18)<br />91 Tai (8 Seasons, 7+25+20+11+3+12+4+9)<br />84 Metalblack (5 Seasons, 21+18+16+10+19)<br />84 Doomguy666 (7 Seasons, 5+22+13+14+8+17+5)<br />72 Jenova (2 Seasons, 33+39)<br />66 Caboose (3 Seasons, 14+12+40)<br />63 Xenaero (8 Seasons, 12+4+8+3+6+15+5+10)<br />62 Nostar (6 Seasons, 8+9+9+14+9+13)<br />62 Midian (6 Seasons, 18+9+7+12+12+4)<br />61 Stall (5 Seasons, 8+19+14+10+10)<br />61 Shakal (6 Seasons, 5+29+15+3+4+5)<br />56 MionicDonut (4 Seasons, 14+26+8+8)<br />52 Ladna (4 Seasons, 12+12+10+3+15)<br />52 Cha0tix (2 Seasons, 22+30)<br />51 Gyrossman (3 Seasons, 16+10+25)<br />51 BloodStrie (3 Seasons, 12+26+13)<br />49 Nero (4 Seasons, 16+15+18+0)<br />49 KillingBlair (6 Seasons, 10+10+9+11+3+6)<br />48 Whopper (3 Seasons, 9+23+16)<br />45 Cookies (3 Seasons, 19+6+20)<br />40 Nautilus (4 Seasons, 11+10+15+4)<br />39 Oscar (2 Seasons, 16+23)<br />39 Envy (4 Seasons, 2+9+16+12)<br />38 LordBritish (3 Seasons, 1+9+28)<br />34 Beast (7 Seasons, 6+7+3+4+4+5+5)<br />32 Kandy Kid (3 Seasons, 20+5+7)<br />30 Collision (3 Seasons, 24+2+4)<br />30 Climhazzard (5 Seasons, 9+10+0+8+3)<br />29 GhostlyDeath (3 Seasons, 18+8+3)<br />28 JKist3 (3 Seasons, 9+8+11)<br />26 Goatface (5 Seasons, 10+2+6+3+5)<br />26 Dewww (3 Seasons, 8+13+5)<br />25 Deathbringer (3 Season, 1+11+13)<br />22 Roaketes (2 Seasons, 19+3)<br />22 Hatred (4 Seasons, 6+5+2+9)<br />21 X-Ray (2 Seasons, 12+9)<br />20 RussianDumbass (3 Season, 3+3+14)<br />18 Strangle (2 Season, 2+16)<br />18 Kyte (2 Seasons, 18+0)<br />18 Joshsmith (1 Season, 18)<br />18 Wrath (2 Season, 11+7)<br />16 Gilgamesh (2 Seasons, 11+5)<br />15 Roscoe (2 Seasons, 4+11)<br />15 Marine (3 Seasons, 11+2+2)<br />13 Dragan (2 Seasons, 9+4)<br />12 Yuna (1 Season, 12)<br />12 Rosebird (1 Season, 12)<br />10 Nazz (2 Seasons, 4+6)<br />10 DevastatioN (1 Season, 10)<br />9 Stereo (1 Season, 9)<br />9 Dosu (2 Seasons, 1+8)<br />9 Anger (1 Season, 9)<br />8 Rexn0r (3 Seasons, 2+6+0)<br />8 Legion (2 Seasons, 3+5)<br />7 Acolyte (3 Seasons, 3+4+0)<br />5 Ghoulslayer (2 Seasons, 2+3)', 'xx', 1);
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	(2345, 262, 26, 1282495924, 19, 2345, 'Re: Some cool capture stats', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', 'Nice stats<br /><br />But I have to ask how am I so high up there<br /><br />I am not an O player fuck!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2343, 262, 26, 1282454002, 2, 2343, 'Re: Some cool capture stats', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.52.171', 1, 0, '', 'the 51 should be glittering and golden written in size 280 text !', 'xx', 1);
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	(2342, 262, 26, 1282449115, 7, 2342, 'Re: Some cool capture stats', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Nice job Fast, as usual you rock.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2351, 253, 12, 1282505191, 35, 2351, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=253.msg2346#msg2346 date=1282495974]<br />I&#039;m using my 200th post to tell BBC and BSK to hurry the [size=7]f[/size] up<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2352, 253, 12, 1282505842, 49, 2352, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=253.msg2346#msg2346 date=1282495974]<br />I&#039;m using my 200th post to tell BBC and BSK to hurry the [size=7]f[/size] up<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8362, 815, 17, 1360827474, 19, 8362, 'Re: LIMITATION??', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', 'accurate representation of thread: [img]http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3994/1292743141.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4758, 136, 1, 1315780035, 19, 4758, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', '[size=7]&#9992; &#9612; &#9612;[/size]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/66G1I.jpg[/img]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/4BHZL.jpg[/img]<br /><br />[img]http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4015/randysavagehy3sf6.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(5577, 136, 1, 1322982302, 19, 5577, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.121.105', 1, 0, '', 'degreelessness kenshiro on<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/8JqCC.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2355, 263, 1, 1282516666, 130, 2355, 'Re: Mike take a pic of your kitchen', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jenova link=topic=263.msg2350#msg2350 date=1282505074]<br />&quot;Mikehail&#039;s Famous Spaghetti&quot;<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I have some good news for you Jenova. That is a pickup line miek uses to attract gay men. He tried it on me but I had to politely tell him he was a fago and that I wasn&#039;t interested.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2356, 263, 1, 1282521437, 163, 2356, 'Re: Mike take a pic of your kitchen', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah, Nostar is spoken for. Ladna would never allow someone to take his baby away. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2357, 263, 1, 1282524153, 147, 2357, 'Re: Mike take a pic of your kitchen', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'I found mike&#039;s secret recipe on this blog<br /><br />http://madrussiancooking.blogspot.com/2010/02/one-pot-pasta.html', 'xx', 1);
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	(2358, 253, 12, 1282526659, 89, 2358, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.189.127', 1, 0, '', 'I had a dream that bsk lost, I think it was 5-1 so yeah I look forward to a game being 5-1 in bbc&#039;s favor.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2359, 243, 12, 1282527016, 89, 2359, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.189.127', 1, 0, '', '[color=navy]IDC[/color]<br />OurHero<br />Acolyte <br />Souler<br />Quiksilver<br />[color=pink]X[/color][color=orange]e[/color][color=navy]n[/color][color=brown]a[/color][color=limeGreen]e[/color][color=red]r[/color][color=yellow]o[/color]<br /><br />[color=red]WDC[/color]<br />Fluffles<br />Legion/LB (Tie)<br />Shadow_Ghost<br />Clim<br />MIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIID<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(3827, 410, 14, 1300374730, 35, 3827, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', 'Let me break it down for you guys [size=9][color=pink]WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK CARESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS[/color][/size]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2361, 263, 1, 1282533927, 3, 2361, 'Re: Mike take a pic of your kitchen', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/9854/pastaman.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3268, 365, 14, 1295296498, 2, 3300, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.217', 1, 1295635312, 'Ralphis', 'The following is the list of still missing demos from Week 2.&nbsp; Please upload them as soon as possible or face penalties.<br /><br />[size=5][b]Week 2 Missing Demos:[/b][/size]<br />KGB: -<br />BSK: -<br />SPE: -<br />KNF: -<br />DMC: -<br />TKV: -<br />SXP: -<br />SUC: -<br />FLS: -<br />EBL: -<br />BBC: -<br />DMR: -', 'xx', 1);
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	(3539, 389, 14, 1298045214, 19, 3539, 'Re: Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.7.85', 1, 0, '', 'What discernible difference is there between Chicago and the Chicago Board of Trading? Is there a reason to have two server sets in the same general location?', 'xx', 1);
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	(7098, 667, 23, 1340672212, 19, 7098, 'Re: Blue Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.227.220', 1, 0, '', 'My games vs ThatsJustPrime:<br /><br />http://imgur.com/a/mPvIM<br /><br />He won Moo, I won Chill, I won Boo. Screenshots should be in that order.<br /><br />Demo: http://xen.unidoom.org/doom/mac/mac2012-xenvsprime.zip<br /><br />fuck me silly', 'xx', 1);
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	(3952, 424, 18, 1303502361, 1328, 3952, 'Re: IDL Summer 2011 Signups Open', 'Mobius', 'hustler_0ne@hotmail.com', '69.126.162.4', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Mobius<br />Country/State: USA<br />Email contact: red13utterfly@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: i3r0k3n t0y (AIM) or IRC on Quakenet<br />Regular Availability: Every day from 12PM to 11PM', 'xx', 1);
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	(4213, 448, 18, 1309012008, 16, 4213, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 20 - Jun 26) : ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.56.229.218', 1, 0, '', 'Yea Star, shut the fuck up and fix your fucking servers. I&#039;m tired of praccing on TT and having to switch to FunCrusher cause of the laggy gayness that is spewed out of your servers&#039; rectums.&nbsp; [IMG]http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/3994/1292743141.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4659, 494, 17, 1314782345, 130, 4659, 'Re: Booting out unwanted maps.', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.251', 1, 1314782484, 'nostar', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=494.msg4607#msg4607 date=1313864105] HOLY FUCK[/quote]<br /><br />04, the most popular map of all time is a maybe?<br />08, the best map of all time is a nuke?<br />13, a former masterbowl and a map only smart players like...nuke?<br />15/16 NUKE ARE YOU KIDDING?<br /><br />And after all that you&#039;re keeping Cab&#039;s 2 (ok 3) spawn shitass corectf map? I really think you must have been on drugs or something.<br /><br />To all of the people who said zdctf09 is a snooze and trolls priv, it&#039;s a different map 3v3, which few privs are. It is one of the few ctf maps we have with a bfg in it. zdctf16 falls into a similar unique space being larger, having a megasphere and being spammy. It is fun 3v3, and bad with more.<br /><br />On the contrary map11 is awful 3v3 and really fun with 4 or more and it requires a fair amount of team work being large and having an open middle.<br /><br />Map13 is a good, interesting, unconventional map that makes players do more than camp their base, or camp mid, or zombie run. It involves item control, multiple ingresses/egresses to the base and middle, lifts, warps, all the guns except the bfg, and from a defensive standpoint, is a total pain in the ass. It&#039;s unlike any other map IDL has seen so far (somewhat like zdctf16 actually) and trashing it because idiots like Stallion and Mantis can&#039;t hack it on that map is silly. <br /><br />Map15 is maybe the least conventional map in the zdctf wad having such a strange spawn/base structure. It&#039;s not ideal for offense or defense, it&#039;s got items but not unbalanced, and it has useful warps which were under-represented in zdctfmp and ctf maps as a whole.<br /><br />After being exasperated I realized people are just picking maps they don&#039;t like to play, which is fine, but should not be gospel by any means. There was really no reason or rhyme to the shit lists here. Just the &quot;unfun&quot; opinions of the authors. By that standard I don&#039;t see the point in removing any of the maps, or all of them.<br /><br />My personal list goes something like this:<br /><br />[size=1]map01 - ZDCTF01 out<br />map02 - ODACTF02 out<br />map03 - ZDCTF03 keep<br />map04 - ZDCTF04 out<br />map05 - CC01 out<br />map06 - MADCTF11 out<br />map07 - ZDCTF07 out<br />map08 - ZDCTF08 keep<br />map09 - ZDCTF09 keep<br />map10 - ZDU10 out<br />map11 - ZDCTF11 keep<br />map12 - THIRTY4-16 keep<br />map13 - THIRTY4-13 keep<br />map14 - THIRTY4-09 out<br />map15 - ZDCTF15 keep<br />map16 - ZDCTF16 keep<br />map17 - THIRTY4-17 keep<br />map18 - ZDCTF18 out<br />map19 - ZDCTF19 keep<br />map20 - ZDECTF2-01 out<br />map21 - REAKUCTF01 out<br />map22 - THIRTY7-22 out<br />map23 - ZDU08 keep<br />map24 - CC07 out<br />map25 - ZDCTF25 out<br />map26 - ZDCTF26 keep<br />map27 - ZDCTF27 out<br />map28 - CC11 out<br />map29 - ZDECTF2-19 keep<br />map30 - ZDU30 out<br />map31 - THIRTY4-31 out<br />map32 - THIRTY7-27 out[/size]<br /><br />I don&#039;t enjoy playing the maps I outed (roughly 60% of the wad), and maybe by that # I don&#039;t really enjoy doom anymore. [b]That does not mean the league should rid the wad of those maps.[/b] Lots of idiots like map14 and map30. On the other hand pretty much everyone hates both Reaku and his map so that is a no-brainer. Fortunately we have the IDL Board to step in and make a judicial and thoughtful selection for idl 2012. Removing maps like THIRTY4-13 because people dislike it is really silly. Keeping maps like 19 because it was the 1st masterbowl is silly too. <br /><br />So board guys when compiling the new wad try to represent all the styles of play for IDL&#039;s competitive integrity. I mean if doom really just came down to speed and shot don&#039;t you think LB would have 9, and soon 10 masterbowls already? We need some tactically complex maps the likes of 8, 13, 15, 17, 22, 26, 32, to counterbalance the adrenaline rushes of 1, 4, 14, 18, 20 and 31. Considering item and weapon representations as well as tactical and even topographical (vert maps) aspects will give us a really good cross-section of maps to judge the skill of our player base and legitimize the competitive spirit of our league. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4694, 499, 1, 1315323814, 130, 4694, 'Re: North America Vs Europe', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'I also vote no. America doesn&#039;t like Canada and probably wouldn&#039;t play with them. Also all the good doomers are retired. All that&#039;s left is the riff-raff.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2354, 262, 26, 1282506682, 19, 2354, 'Re: Some cool capture stats', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=262.msg2353#msg2353 date=1282506595]<br />Well you&#039;re actually really low on flags per season compared to most of your peers<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Ah I wasn&#039;t lookin at seasons played, but yes it&#039;s much clearer now.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6111, 136, 1, 1327815455, 157, 6111, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/oJ5Ih.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2360, 253, 12, 1282533876, 2, 2361, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.52.171', 1, 1282534110, 'mikefails', 'ggs bsk, were pretty good games, lets see if you can win it all!<br /><br />[URL=http://img205.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100822201109.png/][IMG]http://a.imageshack.us/img205/4893/ctf20100822201109.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img829.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100822201946.png/][IMG]http://a.imageshack.us/img829/1439/ctf20100822201946.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2362, 180, 1, 1282534464, 61, 2362, 'Re: SmartCTF - Open Playtesting', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '76.201.154.13', 1, 0, '', 'New version (1p) now out! New in this version:<br /><br />[b]Map02[/b]<br />-Improved re-texturing and intuitive details to mark the red and blue bases more properly<br />-Added more room to the slime/ground-level shotgun spawn to help flow and avoid hitting the metal bar as the player begins his route of choice. The added room also helps during firefights due to more cover/dodging space.<br /><br />[b]Map05[/b]<br />-Improved re-texturing and intuitive details to mark the red and blue bases more properly<br />-Complete SECTINFO definitions!<br /><br />[b]Map06[/b]<br />-All new Map06!<br />-Basic playable layout and team markings along the door frames<br /><br />[b]DISCLAIMERS[/b]<br /><br />-This is a [b]beta[/b] build! Expect there to be sloppy texture jobs in certain places<br /><br />-Map03 is currently undergoing some detail work and although you can technically play it, the bases aren&#039;t equal to one another in this version, particularly in the uppermost routes. I suggest you NOT add it to a server&#039;s map rotation if you want to host the wad<br /><br />-Map02 and Map05 make use of scaled-down high resolution images for the wall markings that guide you to the flags and other parts of the map. Because of this, it will look funny (but not unplayable) in Skulltag. This will remain so until they either fix it or I find time to patch those textures through a separate wad.<br /><br />Get it [url=http://static.totaltrash.org/wads/smartctf1p.wad]here![/url]<br /><br />Many thanks to Ladna/Nostar for hosting a private TT test server @ 66.225.231.106:11017 !<br />Many thanks to konar6 at Grandvoid for hosting an Euro test server @ 77.75.105.80:16694 !<br /><br />I am very much open to any and all feedback, particularly in maps 04 and 06. Map06 was [url=http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/8931/map06.jpg]sketched[/url] and built in the span of two hours, so don&#039;t mind the draconian lack of detail or simplicity in the architecture :P', 'xx', 1);
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	(2363, 253, 12, 1282536818, 158, 2363, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.84.100', 1, 0, '', 'GG&#039;s Collision and Mike, suck it star.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2364, 264, 3, 1282540279, 69, 2364, 'Expansion Names', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '129.101.51.230', 1, 0, '', 'If the IDL is to expand to 12 teams we&#039;ll need some new names! We&#039;ve already got some pretty good ones but if you have any ideas let us know.&nbsp; Especially if you have a &quot;throwback&quot; name which references a previous IDL team.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2365, 264, 3, 1282540551, 10, 2365, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Also a few quick comments:<br /><br />1) The chances of going back to everyone having individual team names every season is pretty much 0% so taking this thread in that direction will probably just be a waste of your time.<br /><br />2) The same type of format for the 8 current team names is kind of what we&#039;re looking to go for with the 4 new ones.<br /><br />3) We won&#039;t name any team the &quot;Shotgun Vikings&quot; and if I hear this name one more time I&#039;ll shotgun viking my brains out!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2366, 264, 3, 1282540555, 49, 2366, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'Demonic Colts', 'xx', 1);
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	(2367, 264, 3, 1282540701, 38, 2367, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.46.100', 1, 0, '', 'Pain Titans<br />Imp Chiefs<br />Rocket Patriots<br />Lost Saints<br />Shaq Fu Demons<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(3269, 364, 14, 1295297907, 49, 3269, 'Re: IDL Streaming/Casting', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', 'My 25mbps upload and sandy bridge computer will not be available for streaming until summer 2011.<br /><br />But it will be a hell of a stream', 'xx', 1);
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	(1611, 180, 1, 1267385359, 61, 2574, 'SmartCTF - Open Playtesting (NEW VERSION: Sep 19, 2010)', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '69.129.234.61', 1, 1284935591, 'Chain', '[u]About:[/u]<br /><br />[code]<br />===============================================<br />Primary purpose : Capture The Flag<br />===============================================<br /><br />Title : Smart CTF (working title)<br /><br />Filename : SmartCTF1j.wad<br /><br />Release date : 02/28/2010 (current release)<br /><br />Authors : (DX) Chain, Fastidious, HumanBones<br /><br />Description : An advanced set of CTF maps for ZDaemon and Skulltag that are designed to take advantage of a variety of attack routes and exit patterns. In addition to that, the flag can be grabbed as you dash through to your desired exit route in a continuous manner. This is in contrast to the current-day norm of most CTF maps, which require you to enter and exit through only one area and flag runners are forced to stop their approach once they have grabbed the flag. The biggest boost to advanced gameplay in this map is that defending requires more brains and ability, as there are no chokepoints. Attempting to camp a corner with SSG all map long will most certainly leave that defender in the dust. Teamwork is especially critical in defending these maps, which is aso why I&#039;ve included detailed SECTINFO map locations to use with the sitrep HUD feature (&quot;sitrep 1&quot; in the console to activate).<br /><br />===============================================<br />* What is included *<br />===============================================<br /><br />New levels : Yes<br />Sounds : No<br />Music : Yes<br />ZDoom lumps : Yes, especially the ZDaemon (and now Skulltag)-specific SECTINFO sector location/description lump<br /><br />===============================================<br />* Play Information *<br />===============================================<br /><br />IWAD : DOOM2.WAD<br />Map # (completion rate) : Map01 (99% done), Map02 (85%), Map03 (50%), Map04 (80%)<br />Deathmatch : No<br />Capture The Flag : Yes, 3vs3 or 4v4 as the absolute maximum<br />Difficulty Settings : Item distribution was designed for servers utilizing the Nighmare difficulty (double ammo)<br /><br />===============================================<br />Map Credits:<br />===============================================<br /><br />Map01*&nbsp; - Chain<br />Map02&nbsp;  - Fastidious (basic layout idea) and Chain (mapping/detailing)<br />Map03&nbsp;  - HumanBones (basic layout idea) and Chain (mapping/detailing)<br />Map04&nbsp;  - Fastidious (basic layout idea) and Chain (mapping/detailing)<br /><br />*Maps with fully functional locs (SECTINFO)<br /><br />===============================================<br />Music Credits:<br />===============================================<br /><br />Map01 - &quot;Painkiller&quot; by Judas Priest<br />Map02 - &quot;Would?&quot; by Alice In Chains<br />Map03 - &quot;Symphony Of Destruction&quot; by Megadeth<br />Map04 - &quot;Two Minutes To Midnight&quot; by Iron Maiden[/code]<br /><br />[u]Screenshots:[/u]<br /><br />Map01 - Lazarus Revisited<br />[URL=http://img191.imageshack.us/i/map01a.png/][IMG]http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/7664/map01a.th.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img682.imageshack.us/i/map01b.png/][IMG]http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/3750/map01b.th.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />Map02 - Forgotten Outpost<br />[URL=http://img121.imageshack.us/i/map02a.png/][IMG]http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/6995/map02a.th.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img682.imageshack.us/i/map02b.png/][IMG]http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/9169/map02b.th.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />Map03 - War Of Attrition<br />[URL=http://img214.imageshack.us/i/map03b.png/][IMG]http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9488/map03b.th.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img294.imageshack.us/i/map03a.png/][IMG]http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/4659/map03a.th.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />Map04 - Underhalls Redux<br />[URL=http://img641.imageshack.us/i/map04a.png/][IMG]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/9847/map04a.th.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img62.imageshack.us/i/map04b.png/][IMG]http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/8/map04b.th.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />***<br /><br />I started this project roughly one month ago, when the discussion of garbage CTF maps played in the IDL (or ZD/modern Doom in general, really) compelled me to get off my ass and try to do something about it. The result is what HumanBones described as &quot;smart&quot; CTF maps, and cheesy as it may be, it&#039;s the working title for what has become an amazing group collaboration :).<br /><br />[u]The Dilemma[/u]<br /><br />The usual crappy style of an overwhelming majority of Doom CTF maps consists of a full frontal attack that requires very little effort to defend. Even if you manage to grab a flag in classic CTF maps, you are at a dead end, so your approach is significantly slowed down. Even worse is that your exit path ends up being the exact same singular route where you came from, making the flag return by the defense a breeze. As icing on the cake, there is no weapon progression so you [b]always[/b] have a handy SSG or RL to secure the map with.<br /><br />[u]The Solution[/u]<br /><br />There is nothing wrong with simplistic CTF maps, or &quot;fun maps&quot; if you&#039;d like to call them that. However, we feel that those maps have run their course. As all of the collaborators in SmartCTF are and have been active IDL players, we are quite familiar with how frustrating it is to have an overwhelming amount of matches become defensive borefests or tied games. SmartCTF focuses on a variety of attack and exit patterns--which may seem complicated at first, but it&#039;s quite easy to grasp quickly. The difficult part is being successful at establishing a rhythm with which to attack [b]and[/b] defend: Re-stocking items periodically, using the map and its specials to help you, teamwork/synchronizing attacks, and other advanced maneuvers.<br /><br />***<br /><br />This being an open playtesting/open beta project, feel free to download and take a look! We currently have a test server courtesy of:<br /><br />-TotalTrash (&lt;3) at 66.225.231.106:13020.<br />-KrukServ at 91.121.245.195:49696<br /><br />Only version 1i is hosted at the time of this writing, but come to #SmartCTF on irc.quakenet.org for revision updates and to get some games going :)<br /><br />Latest revision (version 1J) = http://tinyurl.com/yfa4kk7<br />Latest hosted revision (version 1i) = http://www.totaltrash.org/wads/SmartCTF1i.wad', 'xx', 1);
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	(3828, 410, 14, 1300379594, 147, 3828, 'Re: Free wins....', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'white i love your avatar', 'xx', 1);
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	(3540, 389, 14, 1298048913, 20, 3540, 'Re: Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.241', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=389.msg3539#msg3539 date=1298045214]<br />What discernible difference is there between Chicago and the Chicago Board of Trading? Is there a reason to have two server sets in the same general location?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You Read my mind&nbsp; 8)<br /><br />Seems like a waste to have 2 servers in the same location... I do appreciate Quik stepping in and offering a second set but what is the point of the same location? Why not put some in places like a Dallas or NJ? Or get a few hosted on Fraghappy.net? I know Niv has offered in the IDL channel before.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3652, 398, 14, 1299438247, 2, 3652, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.51.218', 1, 0, '', 'I think Ralph was the only one who didn&#039;t vote for LB for MVP...&nbsp; Also Hatred, how many times have you ran against Rottking to know whether he is solidly defending or not?&nbsp; I think Dev is much more solid defensively&nbsp; :-\\', 'xx', 1);
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	(4081, 437, 16, 1306125150, 216, 4081, 'Re: Post-Draft Discussion', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '69.156.126.231', 1, 0, '', 'mikehail is very popular', 'xx', 1);
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	(6491, 624, 20, 1331485862, 16, 6491, 'Re: Regular Season Awards Discussion', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '...Why IS Dew talking about Bloodstrike? Why is he even talking? ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3648, 398, 14, 1299394555, 10, 3648, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'A few things:<br /><br />Rust, Strangle is your brother by blood! You should never turn on each other like Mikehail/Fastidious.<br /><br />Second, I&#039;m like Tom Brady and Tom Brady is an MVP baby. Don&#039;t be h8n peeps.<br /><br />Third, anyone that says RottKing was &quot;Comeback Player of the Year&quot; doesn&#039;t know much about IDL or is just following popular opinion. He was instrumental in his teams going to back to back conference championships in 2010?<br /><br />Fourth, I pretty much have two of the most underrated players in Gilgamesh and JoshSmith. Why didn&#039;t other people draft them? I do not know, but maybe it&#039;s because I&#039;m captain of the season. EVERY SEASON. Other valid runner ups are Midian, Dev, basically anyone on SXP that isn&#039;t Bones (Blair, MassVC, Reckless), and maybe most importantly, Legion. <br /><br />Fifth, Nostar is a really contentious jerk and should not be fed. His opinions and statements are often way off base but you guys throw wood on the fire! Don&#039;t do this.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8012, 774, 25, 1356034067, 213, 8012, 'Re: Meet the Free Agents . . .', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lxr6iwnuTy1r8fv24o3_1280.jpg[/img][/center]<br />Hello and welcome to my big ass Mouth :P my name is BO. My sense of fashion is pretty much GLAM/INDUSTRIAL/ POST APOCALYPTIC .&nbsp; SOO if thats not your type of thing maybe i can attract you with my Gay sense or humor ... If that don&#039;t work then I act like a normal deuce baggy guy.. That most likely wont work but at least you will feel right at home, with in the league of men your use to dating .. LOL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3953, 424, 18, 1303502787, 147, 3953, 'Re: IDL Summer 2011 Signups Open', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'lb<br />ohio<br />irc<br />undetermined (may or may not be taking classes)<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4214, 448, 18, 1309048236, 163, 4214, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 20 - Jun 26) : ZDCTF01: Fortress Collision - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.39.27.213', 1, 0, '', 'Tai, that picture man, I can&#039;t even take it. I laugh so hard everytime I see that. I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s because how I picture you looking in real life or it&#039;s simply the image itself. Perhaps it&#039;s a combination of both. Nonetheless, it&#039;s still hilarious. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6335, 619, 20, 1330457583, 214, 6335, 'Re: yo yo', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.180.175', 1, 1330457679, 'RustInPeace', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=619.msg6325#msg6325 date=1330404503]<br />First off, whoever has executive powers or anything of the sort should perhaps ASK the player base first? Then, when people who attempt to bring some fresh maps into the fold ask people to playtest, maybe those same people who bitch about maps not being &quot;good&quot; can actually get off their asses and help test and refine new maps. I mean, you&#039;re all the experts right? How about sharing some of that amazing knowledge so that perhaps future seasons for you or others are enjoyable?[/quote]<br />Yeah that would be great if the board had actually reached out to the players when they were play testing. I have no problem sharing my expert knowledge and I&#039;m sure others feel the same way. But what can be done when the board limits the testing group to themselves plus 1 or 2 &#039;outsiders&#039;?<br /><br /><br />[quote]<br />So when you say that the Board should listen to everything you say, maybe you can practice what you preach and help mappers when they ask for non-gay/troll feedback.<br />[/quote]<br />I and a few others actually do help mappers with feedback. During the mapping contest there was a lot of constructive criticism going around and as a result the final contest version of the wad had drastically better maps. I don&#039;t know where you have been, but you&#039;re surely out of touch with the idl community. Most recently some of us helped Decay with Velocity testing. So you&#039;re very much incorrect with your assumption that we offer no help to mappers. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2369, 264, 3, 1282541233, 19, 2369, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', 'Plasma Patriots<br />Mt. Erebus Rams<br />Fraghouse Favres', 'xx', 1);
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	(2370, 264, 3, 1282541439, 69, 2370, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '129.101.51.230', 1, 0, '', 'Sexual Pwnthers...Sexual Pwnlies of Season 2<br />Deep Rams...Deep Thrusts of Season 4<br />Tupid Staints...Cupid Stunts of Season 4<br />Rave N Blood...Reign In Blood of Season 4<br />Sex Saints...Sex Gods of Season 1<br />Sex Titans...Sex Gods of Season 1<br />Hot Wax Buccaneers...Hot Wax Bandits of Season 4<br />Dee Colions/Dee Lions...Dee Colons of Season 2<br />Shaq Falcons...Shaq Fu of Season 1<br />Bang Broncos(IDDL Name)...Bang Bros of Season 4<br />Pat Attack(IDDL Name)...Pak Attack of Season 3<br />Triple Jets(IDDL Name)...Triple Threat of Season 1<br />Virgin Rams...Virgin Roster of Season 3<br />Big Fuckin Giants', 'xx', 1);
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	(2371, 253, 12, 1282541637, 35, 2371, 'Re: IDL S2010 Conference Championships', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', 'haha who aliased as me, too bad i missed this though cause i would of watched it', 'xx', 1);
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	(2372, 243, 12, 1282591578, 73, 2372, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'How are you nominating me, fool. I sucked this season. Although I&#039;ve got a weapon that will do me as much a favor as the Razer mouse did. I have *gasp* a detachable number pad keyboard. Its like having a speedpad, only without needing joystick support!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(7099, 669, 23, 1340672484, 216, 7099, 'Re: Green Division Results &amp; Demos', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.128.91', 1, 0, '', 'Prime vs Xenaero<br /><br />Maps removed: Exposed and D5M1<br /><br />Round 1: Moo2d 50 prime- 33 xen<br /> demo: http://speedy.sh/fE8wt/prime-vs-xen-Moo-Odamex-DUEL-20120625-202550-MOO2D.WAD-map01.odd<br /><br />Round 2: Chill3 33 prime- 50 xen<br /> demo: http://speedy.sh/mdcWk/Prime-vs-xen-chill-Odamex-DUEL-20120625-203224-chill3.wad-map09.odd<br /><br />Round 3: Boo: 43 prime- 50 xen<br /> demo: http://speedy.sh/6VXhN/prime-vs-xen-Boo-Odamex-DUEL-20120625-204307-boo.wad-map01.odd<br /><br />Screenies (courtesy of xen &lt;3): http://imgur.com/a/mPvIM<br /><br />GGS xenny and gl in the rest of the tourney!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3270, 372, 3, 1295298196, 49, 3270, 'Re: Hiya', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', 'legion is a better name than manixa, although legion does like man(s)', 'xx', 1);
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	(3541, 389, 14, 1298052766, 89, 3541, 'Re: Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '129.7.185.112', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=389.msg3539#msg3539 date=1298045214]<br />Is there a reason to have two server sets in the same general location?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />So you have no chance in hell to ping better', 'xx', 1);
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	(4215, 438, 16, 1309053730, 8, 4215, 'Re: S2011 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY - WAIVER WIRE', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '98.234.131.145', 1, 0, '', '[b]Fnordy Niners[/b]<br />Traded Marax to Free Agency in exchange for Souler (Week 3)', 'xx', 1);
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	(4218, 438, 16, 1309100517, 8, 4218, 'Re: S2011 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY - WAIVER WIRE', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '98.234.131.145', 1, 0, '', '[b]Berserker Packers[/b]<br />Traded Goatface to Flag Steelers in exchange for Mandolore (Week 3)<br /><br />[b]Flag Steelers[/b]<br />Traded Mandolore to Berkserker Packers in exchange for Goatface (Week 3)', 'xx', 1);
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	(2429, 265, 12, 1283228751, 19, 2429, 'Re: IDL S2010 MasterBowl VIII', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', 'GGs BSK<br /><br />[IMG]http://imgur.com/B9f00.png[/img]<br />[IMG]http://imgur.com/WjNL6.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4299, 455, 16, 1310114587, 130, 4299, 'Re: What exactly are the rules on trading?', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.242', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=455.msg4292#msg4292 date=1310084901]<br />I can&#039;t believe your logic on this one star, really.&nbsp; The only reason I can see you defending hatred for this one is because he&#039;s ur [NS] butt buddy.&nbsp; Saber for Dr.Noob..... That&#039;s all I&#039;m gonna say, and all that needs to be said regarding this trade.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I know you&#039;re extremely stupid so I&#039;ll just do the work for you. Noob is better than Sabertooth right now. Saber has a bad connection and Noob is a consistent fragger on a good connection. To Hatred&#039;s team that is more valuable because of the runner he has. Saber is tricky but Hatred needs consistency and frags for the team he has.<br /><br />Just tonight EBL was practicing with SPE. Saber and Noob were both present. Guess who won those games? Noob played well and won most of the games between those two teams. He even won when mike and I played with Saber. Makes you think you might have undervalued him a little eh?<br /><br />I&#039;m really just telling you to take a little caution when valuing players. You&#039;re not that good at it. Saber was drafted way too high by an idiot captain. The disparity between Saber and Noob draft wise shouldn&#039;t have been so large except Nautilus was allowed to captain. Additionally people dislike Dr. Noob and many don&#039;t know he&#039;s any good. He is, and he&#039;s showing it. Please stop being a douche and just let captains try things out without calling NS conspiracy or trolling for lulz. Actually do whatever you want but I&#039;m going to call you a faggot every time I get the chance.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4695, 496, 18, 1315324744, 130, 4695, 'Re: Season 10 / Summer 2011 Playoffs - MASTERBOWL X - Discussion and Results ', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m glad LB and Gyro had some good times. Honestly this was one of my least favorite Masterbowls. I knew going in we would win. I felt like I played badly and we still won. BBC had a nice run, but Ralph and I said it when the season began, the IDC was going to win this one regardless.<br /><br />Anyway gg IDL. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2368, 264, 3, 1282541218, 0, 2368, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Fastidious', '', '76.217.99.81', 1, 0, '', 'I like wasting time obviously so I am just curious the reasons behind #1?&nbsp; Personally I liked when each captain choose a name it gave their team some flavor and personality unique team season.<br /><br />BTW, shouldn&#039;t this be in general discussion forum?', 'xx', 1);
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	(3829, 410, 14, 1300380917, 89, 3847, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '98.199.179.106', 1, 1300607459, 'Solar_Flare', 'Sorry Ladna, Nostar&#039;s a faggot.<br /><br />Carry On', 'xx', 1);
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	(6648, 642, 17, 1333883920, 38, 6648, 'Re: Hatred won a masterbowl', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.72.64', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Doomguy666 link=topic=642.msg6639#msg6639 date=1333735005]<br />[quote author=Tony link=topic=642.msg6636#msg6636 date=1333649326]<br />[quote author=Sabertooth link=topic=642.msg6619#msg6619 date=1333350073]<br />Shaq Fu vs The Sex Gods map11 best game of all time.<br />[/quote]<br />Do you still have a demo for that game?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I used to have a demo from that game but I haven&#039;t watched it in a long time.... I have so many demos that it&#039;s got to be lost in the archives... I wouldn&#039;t mind finding it again.........<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I would appreciate it if you found it Doomguy since I lost mine when I lost my old comp. :(', 'xx', 1);
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	(7100, 669, 23, 1340681761, 2282, 7100, 'Re: Green Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Mr.Crispy', 'j76yhe@gmail.com', '69.131.110.41', 1, 0, '', 'vs Majik<br /><br />Demos in zip http://www.sendspace.com/file/1v07mk', 'xx', 1);
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	(3271, 372, 3, 1295301290, 73, 3271, 'Re: Hiya', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '99.71.124.161', 1, 0, '', 'You should go by Mansexa', 'xx', 1);
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	(2376, 264, 3, 1282628718, 163, 2376, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'Aha Goat, I fucking love &quot;BIG FUCKING GIANTS (BFG).&quot; I&#039;m not sure the name is as acceptable though, plus I think this would look better:<br /><br />BioForce Giants <br /><br />You could simply use the doom marine skin with the bfg and color it in the Big Blue and Red to make a spin off of the NFL&#039;s Giants plus give it the much needed DooM twist.<br /><br />A few others:<br /><br />BaronSkins <br /><br />You could take the original redskin logo and change it from a picture of a shouting Indian to a Baron of Hell. [BRS]<br /><br />Chaingunnin&#039; Bucs<br /><br />Not very original as pirates really used shotguns more than anything but it certainly makes more sense than Shotgun Vikings, which is dumb. Plus, it has a nice vibe, say it with me<br />Chaingunnin&#039; Bucs [CGB].<br /><br />Probably one of my better ideas: <br /><br />Cyber Pats <br /><br />I think adding this to the same division as the Electric Bills is a cool idea considering both plays are on technology plus 2 old NFL division rivals. Plus, the current Pats logo kind of looks cybernetic in a sense so all you&#039;d have to do is add an RL to it or a Cybie face. D:<br /><br />Just a few ideas. Also, Demonic Colts is a really good one, too, Blair!&nbsp; <br /> ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2377, 264, 3, 1282671506, 19, 2377, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', 'BioForce Giants and Lost Saints are prolly my favs from this thread apart from my own suggestions ofc<br /><br />FOZZIE BEARS', 'xx', 1);
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	(2378, 264, 3, 1282672972, 73, 2378, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'I like Demonic Colts. I&#039;ll be Joseph A&#039;Die&#039;', 'xx', 1);
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	(3830, 410, 14, 1300388621, 64, 3830, 'Re: Free wins....', 'BloodStrike', 'fat1802002@yahoo.com', '71.63.215.76', 1, 0, '', 'So...Do we all agree that GayStar is a douche bag?', 'xx', 1);
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	(3542, 389, 14, 1298055314, 73, 3542, 'Re: Totaltrash Server Expansion', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '99.71.124.161', 1, 0, '', 'Well, I hate to say this without being an expert ON server stuffs, but I think the fact that its a different host may improve the connection, or at least minimize/eliminate the packetloss problems that the original servers were plagued with.<br /><br />Not that IDLR games are that important or cared about compared to IDL, but when a league game has walking dead bodies, a flag ghost, and unannounced touches, it really can affect the outcome of a game. <br /><br />I really hope that you guys take advantage of the variety, the season is more than halfway through, but at least next season I hope that they get plenty of play.<br /><br />If the issues remain even on new servs, perhaps we SHOULD talk about servers in another midwest location.', 'xx', 1);
