Ok there are a few issues here.<br /><br />1.) Adhering to master banlist (and all that comes along with that).<br /><br />Adherence to the master banlist isn&#039;t that big of a deal in my opinion. We can run covert gaming servers for ralph if we need to and it gives us the zdaemon advertisement we want. The only real loss is that ralph can&#039;t watch games on public servers...unless he just gets another dynamic ip and goes in as &quot;some wrestling name&quot;. Yay, let&#039;s just do that. ZDaemon having some extortive control over IDL via the master server is laughable. If they decide to ban one of our players for anything but cheating there are two steps to be taken. Dispute, and failing that private the servers nullifying the &quot;deal&quot;. Seems simple.<br /><br />2.) Multiple advertised and unadvertised servers.<br /><br />I don&#039;t know if Kilgore means IDL can [b]ONLY[/b] use public servers. We certainly will have to hash that out if any of this goes forward. I would hope that there would be no need to covertly run IDL servers and that Kilgore would be happy with the compromise. Who knows.<br /><br />3.) Quik donating to TT<br /><br />Donations are always welcome. We have a paypal account totaltrashservers (at) gmail (dot) com<br />We appreciate any support we can get.<br /><br />4.) Ralph v Chain: The struggle for truth<br /><br />This was the part I laughed about here. First of all, I assume those Ralph quotes were irc quotes and in fairness we all say offensive and untrue things in irc for hilarious factor. I thought the greece thing was kind of ripe for the picking.<br /><br />I can think of many reasons to apologize even when I&#039;m in the right. The most common reason is when dealing with a woman, and a close second is to further an ulterior motive. Both might be applicable in this situation. <br /><br />5.) Kilgore&#039;s post<br /><br />It was Kilgore pitching a deal I guess. I have gotten the impression that he doesn&#039;t think much of IDL, regardless of our intentions. From his posts I gather that he doesn&#039;t really value our efforts or respect our ideas. This has only been reinforced by silly and irrational bans. If the deal is &quot;enforce our banlist and we&#039;ll advertise you&quot; then fine I guess. I have very little problem with that assuming we can negotiate our &quot;notable exception&quot; without any deception. On the other hand I&#039;m fine with deception too. <br /><br />My problem with his post is that he didn&#039;t say anything we didn&#039;t know. I knew ZDaemon would be okay with IDL if Ralph wasn&#039;t a part of it. But I don&#039;t really see what we get out of it that merits ousting him. More publicity to Central and South America? Awesome. We already have the dedicated Canadian European and American scenes involved...more so than they are in ZDaemon actually. The PR campaign for IDL this year by LB and others was actually very successful. That kind of targeted advertisement is probably more beneficial to IDL than ZDaemon advertising our league anyway. I mean maybe the new website will be awesome, but it&#039;s as likely that it will never be, or that it will be devoid of activity like the rest of the ZD scene nowadays. <br /><br />I actually think advertising on other gaming sites like Quake Live communities, TF2 sites and maybe Warsow sites would be more beneficial to IDL than advertising on ZDaemon. We already have the good parts of this community participating. If any of you guys play those games please advertise IDL to your friends. It&#039;s extremely effective because ZDaemon is fast-paced, addicting and easy to learn :)<br /><br />I&#039;ll concede this though; ZDaemon would be a great place to advertise IDL as it is played using ZDaemon software. I just don&#039;t know that losing an active player, captain and the founder of IDL is worth making that deal.<br /><br />5.) Reality of a public IDL<br /><br />My piece is that we should continue as we are. More old guys will quit allowing newer players to get their feet in and if we do expand IDL next season that should bring a lot of activity to IDL.<br /><br />Whoever is in charge of IDL...oh wait...Ladna I guess...oh wait...someone should talk to Kilgore about all this and see if he&#039;s willing to make a compromise. My guess is that he isn&#039;t but who knows. Chain is a miracle worker, maybe he can get something worked out.