[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7452#msg7452 date=1346572320]so let me get this straight: idl doesn&#039;t get involved in port politics but people are calling for him to be banned from everything on zandronum, which is not involved with odamex or idl in any way, and is in fact, a [b]port[/b][/quote]<br />if anyone even passingly mentioned a demand to ban tosen from skulltag, he&#039;s out of his element. we don&#039;t care, we don&#039;t force that type of shit. we just use the information about someone being banned from somewhere when considering invitations. tosen will never play IDL as long as i have something to say about it and that&#039;s that.<br /><br />what we do care about is how actual IDL players treat the issue and your stance is very disappointing. you&#039;re just washing your hands, you&#039;re trying to compartmentalize the damage as if [i]tosen ruining an IDL game wasn&#039;t a problem for you as his clanmate and an IDL player.[/i] the jugs ARE connected. i would throw him out of my clan in a heartbeat and if i couldn&#039;t (wasn&#039;t a clanleader), i&#039;d walk. from you and water i see just a huge lack of vision, of the bigger picture. you&#039;re not manning up and taking a stance, because keeping the shitty status quo is somehow more comfortable, even though it means everyone will label you as a tosen apologist.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=723.msg7454#msg7454 date=1346573484]the point is, a lot of people have done dumb things in the past. tosen did a dumb thing, we move on from it. it just shocks me how this is what pushes people over the edge when others have done similarly dumb things. I didn&#039;t say that I don&#039;t appreciate jenova or haven&#039;t forgiven him or anything like that, its just that shit happens. going all mob mentality is so 1950s. tai better watch out<br />[/quote]<br />hahaha... keep digging! your dignity could be buried in a matchbox, but this hole is getting big enough even for ralph&#039;s ego! you don&#039;t realize it at this point, but your stance in this fiasco will haunt you for times to come, because shit does stick and leave stains on your reputation.<br /><br />EDIT:<br />&lt;dewww&gt; also i like how it went from condemning tosen to slapping legion<br />&lt;dewww&gt; i think the guy is a masochist and people humiliating him makes him hard<br />&lt;RottKing&gt; of course he is he&#039;s a school teacher