I&#039;ll just say this first off, looking at this season from the outside I just think all the best players&nbsp; mainly hold grudges and take doom way too seriously.&nbsp; Get over the past, it&#039;s done and gone.&nbsp; I don&#039;t hold grudges against anyone.&nbsp; Probably 1/3 of the best players in this league can&#039;t even get along with each other anymore due to stupid shit that happened in the past that does not matter.&nbsp; Life is too short and no one is gonna remember all these stupid details in a few years.&nbsp; A lot of players have quit because of all the bullshit and personal attacks that seem to be accepted by most players.<br /><br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=232.msg2038#msg2038 date=1278744924]Didn&#039;t Fast almost not play for you and Ralphis over some dispute, saying he was done or something? I could argue that he realized if he quit then, he may have effectively ended his IDL career. You speak of Fast ragequitting on the Euros, but one of the reasons he bailed on them is because Nero traded Jkist to SUC for Dewww, and SUC ended up with the same team that won a title the season before, while SPE was significantly worse. Heck, for all we know, Fast knew that&nbsp; if he ragequit SPE, he guaranteed Nero didn&#039;t make the playoffs and was shafted as captain since that&#039;d be 2 straight seasons he watched the playoffs &quot;on green or white&quot;. [/quote]<br /><br />Yeah I did almost quit because Ralphis has a shitty attitude and so do I.&nbsp; I know how to play CTF and Ralphis liked to tell me how to play instead.&nbsp; Regarding the SPE shit Nero promised me, and he even said so on the IDL Radio Draft he would not trade JKist to SUC.&nbsp; I specifically remember when I was telling him not to do it he said something like, &quot;fuck it I don&#039;t care&quot;, and I decided if that was the captains attitude about the success of his team there was no way I was going to stick around in agony of a season with that.&nbsp; I know some people think SPE would have been a good team but I highly doubt it, I don&#039;t think I or anyone player can single handidly turn a losing team like SPE around.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=232.msg2039#msg2039 date=1278745566]Further, I would have stayed on as captain of FLS had franchising not been repealed, and while I&#039;m not the strongest captain ever to play the game, I still have a pretty good record.&nbsp; That by itself adds a lot of balance to the league[/quote]<br /><br />You could have anyways!&nbsp; Just raged over losing Whiteboy still?!<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=232.msg2039#msg2039 date=1278745566]<br />To sum up, franchising was a great idea that Ralphis had.&nbsp; It solved tons of problems and made IDL really tough and fun.&nbsp; But due to some indefensible &quot;stale&quot; argument we listened to player demand and got rid of it.&nbsp; It was stupid and I regret it, and I&#039;d love to hear somebody justify it with logic and reason... but I doubt that&#039;s possible.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Remembering the statistics Ralph showed me neither franchising or draft seems to have a big effect overall on the IDL.&nbsp; Given the nature of the league some teams need to lose and some will win.&nbsp; I think the bigger part is what Hatred mentioned, the talent in the IDL is slowing disappearing.&nbsp; New players have replaced veterans but except for Jenova no stellar talent has joined the league lately.&nbsp; All the captains are old IDL players except him.&nbsp; Frankly captains should just be mixed up more.&nbsp; If Ralphis and Nostar are so awesome maybe they should not captain a season or two and let some new guys take over in their stead.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br />Yes and we would have drafted Xray and won anyway. That is because Fast quitting our team wouldn&#039;t have tanked us Tai. Because Ralph had a player he choose and could rely on. Franchising stabilizing teams that way is a point I tried to make. You are very dense.[/quote]<br /><br />I like how you argue over things happening like they facts such as SPE being awesome with Fast, Mortal, Dew, and Nero or SUC winning no doubt with XRay.&nbsp; I think the fact Ralphis got XRay so quick and easy just shows how certain captains control and can work the system in their favor.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]This whole thing is mostly nonsense. JKist was traded to SUC after SPE got a losing record and was floundering. Also he was traded for Mortal (undefeated at the time). Mortal is a great player and it is my opinion that a team of Fast, Nero, Dewww and Mortal would have not only made playoffs but might have gone as far as conference. Fast bailed because he was unhappy with his captain and lame in general. Not even franchising will fix that.[/quote]<br /><br />It is mostly nonsense especially when you keep talking about things that didn&#039;t happen such as SPE being successful, by the time that trade had happened our team was on very bad terms with each other.&nbsp; Part of the selection of JKist was that he was not to be traded to SUC, Nero agreed with this then broke that agreement.&nbsp; Even if I had stayed on SPE afterwards I would have not have wanted to play with him which would have been terrible for the team.&nbsp; As you know there are more factors to teams than their paper lineups.&nbsp; Nostar you should try playing as a player sometime in the IDL again and see how you feel if a captain betrays you.&nbsp; Didn&#039;t that happen to you one season already?<br /><br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=232.msg2041#msg2041 date=1278771508]<br />Franchises gave potential opportunity to have phenomenally skilled players all reside on one team. I&#039;m unsure exactly how draft order is decided (presumably not by skill) but simply put this allows for stacked teams. It would essentially enable one captain to obtain their two top picks with little interference. You could have a really good captain such as Nostar or Ralphis franchise someone like whiteboy, and still be eligible for a high ranking pick. This doesn&#039;t exactly favour new IDL captains, or captains who have a &quot;bad record&quot; with previous seasons. I&#039;m almost positive that nobody would have actually wanted to franchise with me, which would result in the same captains getting the same good players over and over.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah I agree, franchsing seems much more stale to me as it lets successful teams stay together while bad teams don&#039;t want to stay together anyways then don&#039;t have access to some of the best players.&nbsp; The honest truth is the IDL is fairly stale now since many players end up together again.&nbsp; Very few new good players explode onto the scene.&nbsp; Many new good players either aren&#039;t dedicated enough (Gax) or don&#039;t stick around anyways (Gilgamesh).&nbsp; They were good enough to complete a MB win on RNB though!<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=232.msg2042#msg2042 date=1278774175]<br />Okay, well basically what happened here is the entire day SUC was saying they couldn&#039;t play at the arranged time which was Sunday at 7 or something?&nbsp; I spoke to Tai and our entire team and spoke to SUC and we pretty much all agreed Monday was fine for both teams and then I had other things to do that night.&nbsp; 20 minutes before the game started, SUC came on and said the game was on because their player actually showed up, even though we agreed to play on Monday<br /><br />I am not too upset about that, ultimately Tai made some mistakes that season picking poor maps for oath and myself to play and generally as a team we did poorly.&nbsp; But I had things to attend to and we did reschedule the match with both teams, I am still sort of confused as to why it was still played Sunday after we agreed to Monday.&nbsp; I can&#039;t really blame SUC, they saw an opening and seized it, that is one of the few maps I am relatively good at and Oath/Tai/Dev barely got in 1-2 practice games that week.&nbsp; It was pretty stupid but in the past now as I am concerned.[/quote]<br /><br />I was not around for this but sounds about right.&nbsp; Some captains and players have a lot of influence in the IDL.&nbsp; Tai is not one of them.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=232.msg2042#msg2042 date=1278774175]There isn&#039;t much you can do.&nbsp; The only reason BBC has managed to cope is because we have Mid and Collision, two pretty awesome players who are generally around when the other isn&#039;t.&nbsp; Mid has probably taken 3 vacations so far this season and we have managed to still win because Collision is great and we do not have to use a player like Fluffles or something.&nbsp; I love fluffs but I am not going to lie and say he can compete at this level in that capacity.&nbsp; Really you are all dumb for not picking Collision since he is better than most players in the league and was stigmatized by Ralphis and Xenaero mostly.&nbsp; Another extremely underrated pick was X-Ray, I think he went late(?) second round when he should have possibly been early second round or even late first round.[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah BBC got ridiculously good picks this season.&nbsp; Nostar is smart but damn the other captains really fucked up letting BBC get you Mike.&nbsp; Collision is toxic because of his last season basically playing duel over IDL practice constantly or just fucking off.&nbsp; Who would pick him?&nbsp; Then again having a MB potential winning team changes a lot of players attitudes, just how it is.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=232.msg2042#msg2042 date=1278774175]I have mostly been pretty against franchising since the second or third season.&nbsp; It is a neat idea but ultimately I think its a little too competitive and/or gay when you couple that with Jkist&#039;s selective playing.&nbsp; We can all just halfass IDL unless we get on the one team we like/think has the best chance of winning but that just means you are a bunch of pussies.&nbsp; I do not think franchising was broken, I think it was players abusing it combined with the staleness that made it something to be removed.&nbsp; Jkist will tell you he tried on SPE before being traded to SUC but it sounds like a bunch of baloney to me, he mostly refused to practice saying he was too busy, or avoiding SPE practice to go play with SUC instead.&nbsp; He showed up and played for games, but I doubt he really tried to his potential like on SUC.[/quote]<br /><br />He didn&#039;t try, I&#039;m pretty sure of it.&nbsp; I mean maybe he did but he played insanely better for SUC.&nbsp; He also did fake nick to practice with them on a few occassions when we wanted to practice.&nbsp; He had more loyalty to SUC even when he was on SPE.&nbsp; I know other players have stretched the truth or outright lied to captains about franchising and draft picks to avoid certain people as well but I&#039;ve never seen anyone do what JKist did once they were actually on a team.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=232.msg2042#msg2042 date=1278774175]Its not like I am afraid of SUC or something, you simply had 3 extremely good players on one team because one player played as well as a 4th instead of a second due to gayness.&nbsp; They are beatable of course, but do you really want to wait until a team of two firsts and a third manages to beat them?&nbsp; Sounds sort of boring to me, let them have their trophies and statistical wins, the only relatively equal team in terms of skill they managed to beat was DMR and look how close those games were, both with some controversy I might add :)&nbsp; If that is what the league wants then that is cool I guess, I am not interested in that sort of league is all, not a big loss.[/quote]<br /><br />I agree and I&#039;ll add the DMR vs SUC matches while probably fairly entertaining were total ass to play in.&nbsp; They were boring grudge fests, which DMR mainly lost because we didn&#039;t want to play massive defense (which I suggested we do and we finally did do on 27 to get the tie) but honestly I hate playing Doom like that.&nbsp; It sucks, is boring and isn&#039;t what CTF should be about.&nbsp; If all CTF matches were so strenuous I&#039;m pretty sure the IDL would be long dead.<br /><br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=232.msg2047#msg2047 date=1278798801]I call and raise you<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/100710/1278798743.gif[/img]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I have one of those 5 feet away from me and it&#039;s hotter to me anyways.&nbsp; Here the only truth in this thread - Banging Filipinas &gt; IDL.