My blood boiled alittle when I was reading some of the posts, including Kilgore.<br /><br />Are they stupider than a fucking submarine screen door or what? IDL doesn&#039;t play on advertised servers BECAUSE some of the players are banned. Its not the other way around. Switcher&#039;s dumb ass talking about <br />[quote]Making IDL servers public would also place them under the influence of the ZDaemon banlist. <br />This would have the duel effect of excluding banned players while at the same time making the league accessible to the ZDaemon community in general. <br />Plus IDL would get ZDaemon&#039;s awesome support. <br />That sounds like a great deal. <br />Since the IDL was not created to evade ZDaemon bans, nor draw it&#039;s players away, <br />why not come out from the shadows and into the mainstream of ZDaemon society? <br />I wonder what the response will be?[/quote]<br /><br />What a fucking cuntrag. The first part ANSWERS the second part. Enforcing the banlist would exclude some players, and I don&#039;t mean just Ralphis. Sounds like a great deal indeed, you fuck geriatric dipshit. Although I&#039;m hoping it would be a cold day in hell when Ralphis gets kicked from the ID fucking L to appease the likes of old farts like switcher. And yea, if any players who get banned for not falling in line for the admin of zdaemon, it could essentially take out a whole IDL season. It wouldn&#039;t be so bad if the threat was pretty scarce, but since its quite apparent, getting banned is easily a potential problem, I don&#039;t believe this whole issue is even negotiable, but since I have been staying quiet about my feelings, I&#039;ll just go on for sake of argument.<br /><br />If ANYTHING, the IDL servers should be exempt from the banlist, and Ladna or whoever can set up a similiar banlist, the only exceptions being people who PLAY in the IDL. If Kilgore can&#039;t &quot;handle&quot; that then shit on him. <br />[quote]IDL isn&#039;t doing Zdaemon any favors by not advertising[/quote]<br /> Like, GET THE FUCK OVER YOURSELF. It isn&#039;t about satiating the fucking &quot;POWER MONSTER&quot; by giving offerings of leagues and tournements. Its for the people who like competitive Doom, and its BY people who love competitive doom. I agree, if the trade off for having advertised servers is damning the people who STARTED the IDL and still PLAY in the IDL, then that power hungry admin team can suck it. <br /><br />The IDL DOES and can DO even MORE favors if it loosens grip of control over OUR* League, however, zdaemon isn&#039;t doing ITSELF any favors by trying to have a grip on something thats not part of ITS fundamental structure. Basically, until the day Kilgore trusts ladna and nostar&#039;s ability to maintain this league (lol as if theres anything MORE that CAN be proven) then it can&#039;t happen. Kilgore&#039;s a fucking conspiracy theorist, and in an &quot;official&quot; setting, he&#039;ll just bog this down too. <br /><br />And doom2pro&#039;s &quot;2Pro&#039;s2cents&quot;<br />[quote]And I have to agree 100% with Kilgore, in that having the servers hidden or private tends to make it appear as if there are less players playing ZDaemon than say &quot;other&quot; online doom ports, and it does no service to ZDaemon leaving them that way. [/quote]<br /><br />Exactly what I&#039;m talking about. They act like we&#039;re pissing on zdaemon for allowing banned player(s) to play. Its so disrespectful and FOOLISH to think that way. If IDL players are reaching out to zdaemon for a bridge to connect us, why the fuck are they talking about the IDL like its some hidden agenda to fuck over zdaemon. They ALL are missing both THE POINT, and a fucking clue.<br />Since when was IDL a malicious group worht talking down to like that. I say they should pull their heads from their asses before a talk for a bridge comes up again.<br /><br /><br />*(collectively, I realize I had nothing to do with, or have any part of, the starting or maintaining IDL and its subsequent servers, besides this nice donation I&#039;m about to send to Star)<br /><br />/and feel free to edit my post if you think its going to dent a &quot;friendly&quot; perception. I just wanted to rant about that thread.