[quote=Xenaero]I guess this applies to every map that&#039;s not spoonfeeding you SSG spawns? Not only that, how can you claim any &#039;real strategy&#039; when you&#039;ve probably played it as often as I have, a grand total of two times? I think people need to play it more so they have a better idea of how the map is laid out instead of being two year olds and already writing it off. It&#039;ll be interesting to look at the demo to see how it unfolded but I can probably guess that if no one taking was taking a game on it seriously, the games were probably shit anyway.[/quote]<br />#1. Maybe you are the type of player that needs to be spoon fed an ssg (you are) but as hatred said there are maps that do this right.<br /><br />#2. This isn&#039;t a maze. It isn&#039;t anything special or hard to figure out. Within a few minutes everyone knew the layout. They map is laid out like piss.<br /><br />#3. To be fair, I was the only one not taking the game seriously after the first cap. We all had set positions on both sides. It wasn&#039;t a game full of scrubs either. Also the other time this map was play was in 4v4 with top players such as star and whiteboy. The first cap was a chainsaw run made by white and after that everyone took the map as a joke because it is.<br /><br />Maybe if you actually played or were good to begin with, you could actually see what we are talking about firsthand. That would be a lot more productive than calling us two year old babies.<br /><br />[quote=Xenaero]See, this is my entire point. Considering the nature of your games on it and the lack of experience on the map, I don&#039;t think anyone can say if the map is good or bad, given the amount of time it&#039;s actually been played (basically zero). I&#039;m sure there were lots of maps so far in the history of IDL wads that people at first hated and eventually they became staples in priv play and rather widely liked! I think it&#039;s very disrespectful to play two games on a map, apparently while laughing and joking about how bad the map is on teamspeak and call it fundamentally broken. I suppose it&#039;s to be expected when people are given something new! I&#039;m not sure what gives you the right to call judgement on a map, considering these facts.[/quote]Aha you seem to be the only one sticking up for the map yet you are the one with ZERO play time on it with regards toward priv. Understand, during the first game we all took it seriously. But how can anyone take it seriously when whiteboy makes a 100% chainsaw run? During the second game I gave set positions to hate and josh and they stayed true to them throughout that match. Just because we were laughing doesn&#039;t mean we didn&#039;t stick to my plan. Also I was the one who didn&#039;t give a shit and rjumped across the mid with mild and laughable success. Remember that argument either mass or ladna made? &#039;&#039;A bad map is a map that lets bad teams win.&#039;&#039; The fact I made 4 flags while eating a sandwich is proof of this (yes we won 5-3). What gives us the right to call judgement? The fact that it&#039;s in the wad and there&#039;s a possibility that we might play it in the upcoming season is the reason why we are posting in regards to this map.