[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=26.msg291#msg291 date=1219870606]<br />If every team forced every 3v2 possible the league would be fucking lame.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No, if player attendance was so bad that 3v2s were always necessary the league would be fucking lame.&nbsp; Mike&#039;s right, the problem isn&#039;t 3v2s.&nbsp; If you&#039;re in a situation where a team can&#039;t get more than 2 players on, the game&#039;s already fucked, and there&#039;s usually no good answer.&nbsp; Also, the game&#039;s probably already been pushed to 11pm Sunday, so you can&#039;t just postpone without bleeding into the next week... which is usually OK, but there has to be a cutoff somewhere.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=26.msg291#msg291 date=1219870606]<br />The fact is it&#039;s almost an unwritten rule to play 2v2s(as most teams do).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />&quot;Almost unwritten rules&quot; are useless (as you&#039;ve seen) because some players follow them and some don&#039;t.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=26.msg291#msg291 date=1219870606]<br />RNB played 2v2s when we had to because we have class(sup Nostar!).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t see how getting personal will help sort out the &quot;unbalanced games&quot; issue.&nbsp; I can understand you think Nostar violated some &quot;almost unwritten code of conduct&quot;, but it&#039;s not really topical to talk about whatever Nostar did.&nbsp; And while I did bring up the ODA04 game as an example and to try and empathize with you and other captains who were on the short end of a 3v2, as well as explain my understanding of why unbalanced games are allowed, I did it to further the debate.&nbsp; I certainly didn&#039;t do it to assert some kind of moral superiority.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=26.msg291#msg291 date=1219870606]<br />The rules should be changed in many cases, it should not be a bullshit game of gotcha.&nbsp; I&#039;m happy you bring up real sports since almost never do real sports have teams anywhere near 100% vs 66% roster which is ridiculous.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Most teams have deep enough rosters to keep this from happening, but if a team was down to 2/3, they would probably just forfeit.&nbsp; And yeah, that&#039;s lame, but it&#039;s lame when players don&#039;t show up.&nbsp; Teams would also cut players with shitty attendance, because a mediocre player with 90-100% attendance is tons better than a stellar player with 20-30% attendance.&nbsp; Like I (and Mike) said, the issue is players not showing up.<br /><br />And yeah, there&#039;s a lot of similarities between the IDL and other sports leagues, but you&#039;re right in that there&#039;s differences in the actual &quot;sport&quot; we play.&nbsp; We definitely have to take that into account; statistically, 3v2s are about as good as starting the game off 1-0 in the other team&#039;s favor.&nbsp; That might be too harsh for our sport.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=26.msg291#msg291 date=1219870606]<br />Maybe in soccer or hockey one or a few will sit out but even then it does not approach the same harshness.&nbsp; Also in hockey power plays end on scores and in soccer it&#039;s much different with so many players with such a long and low scoring game.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I like the power play idea; like if you mess up a demo you have to sit for 2 minutes or until the opposite team scores.&nbsp; While it&#039;s not as harsh as sitting out a game (meaning cheaters might feel like it&#039;s worth it to cheat in a game, &quot;miss&quot; a demo, and sit out a couple minutes), it does err on the side of optimism and it&#039;s well balanced for different situations.&nbsp; For example, ODA04 is an extremely defensive map, so it&#039;s unlikely a team would score in the first two minutes... it&#039;s even possible for a 2 man team to hold down defense for two minutes while their 3rd&#039;s in the &quot;Penalty Box&quot;.&nbsp; On the other hand, flags happen a lot easier in ZDCTF04, so even if a penalized team goes down, getting a equalizer flag isn&#039;t completely out of the question.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=26.msg291#msg291 date=1219870606]<br />The IDL 3v2 is pointless and I think overall drags the league down a lot.&nbsp; Maybe if IDL power plays were more reasonable like a cap or a few it&#039;d be sensible but right now it can be a full match of both rounds which is plain ridiculous.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s obviously not pointless, I&#039;ve outlined clear reasons for it in my other posts.&nbsp; It&#039;s just a lame solution to a bad, complicated situation.&nbsp; IMO, Mike nailed it:<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=26.msg288#msg288 date=1219865514]<br />Maybe I am confused, but if you are active, upload your demos, and don&#039;t be a dick about scheduling, what are the other issues?&nbsp; If everybody did this, would the admins have to change anything at all?<br />[/quote]