[quote author=nostar link=topic=146.msg1283#msg1283 date=1260869353]<br />Geez u got mad. <br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />i never said it did u retard, I said before its starts doing its source destination broadcast their is a header all UDP packets have to meet the same stateful source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do........me mentioning ppl might not understand syn/ack doesn&#039;t magically transform into me saying that UDP uses syn/ack dumbass<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br />[/quote]<br /><br />And for the record you never said any of that stuff in the first quote. I just read down through your posts and nothing even remotely similar to that stolen quote was anywhere in your posts. The rest of the quote you stole from this website [http://thetazzone.com/blog/cisco-pix-tcp-udp-nat-pat-and-port-redirection/] goes like this:<br /><br />&quot;All UDP packets have to meet the same Stateful Source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do, but as there is no sequencing it is relatively easy to spoof a UDP packet and maybe even get it through the firewall.&quot;<br /><br />I hate to be the one to break this to you but...you&#039;re really dumb. I know that not everyone uses their best grammar here but god damn man it&#039;s like you never passed the 1st grade. Learn to how to correctly differentiate there, their and they&#039;re. It will serve you well, forums or otherwise.<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br /><br /><br />looky here dumbass # 2, I&#039;m upset about nothing, I just like talking shit, some ppl just can&#039;t handle it. <br /><br />I can find that statement on several sites because its general terminolgy used in the networking world &#039;stateful UDP&#039; FTR.&nbsp; Since you got time to burn google stateful UDP. <br /><br />http://www.google.com/#hl=en&amp;q=All+UDP+packets+have+to+meet+the+same+Stateful+Source+IP+%26+Port%2C+Destination+IP+%26+Port+prerequisites+that+the+TCP+packet+do&amp;aq=&amp;aqi=&amp;oq=&amp;fp=b36c7832dbb01be6<br /><br />or that...better yet lets make a wiki page 8) <br /><br />here we go again commenting about grammar on forums..nobody cares...well idc, this is like sending sms messages to me<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t expect you to know anything about the OSI model as the standard is TCP stacks now, they are closely related just more layers in OSI. if you dig deeply you would understand the terminology that I&#039;m referring to. I could take this Cisco book and scan it but hey thats unnecessary as well you know idc<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br />[/quote]<br /><br />re-reading it I do understand how it can be misinterpreted, confusing and or blatantly sound ridiculous but I&#039;m still looking for where I said UDP uses syn/ack because I didn&#039;t ...so hmm I&#039;ll re-write this <br /><br />all packets use syn syn/ack ack, however when a udp connection is made this is not applicable...sounds a bit less dumb but thats how it was meant to be read, lol quotes on intial follow by all doesn&#039;t help either but as previously stated I write on here as if I was having a conversation...so yeah idc <br /><br />questions? 