[quote author=dew link=topic=134.msg1064#msg1064 date=1251580962]you, kist and nero got raped on week1: map26. we got a 3v2 victory on week2 that shouldn&#039;t count. now let me write out this in detail:<br /><br />week3: BSK 2-0 SPE on map03.<br /> round1: dew, jkist, nero: 1-1<br /> round2: fastidious, jkist, nero: 5-0<br /> round3: dew, jkist, nero: 5-2[/quote]<br /><br />Dewww obviously you have no memory of the events.&nbsp; The reason we did so bad when I played is because my connection had massive packet loss.&nbsp; I was jumping around walls and shit.&nbsp; Sometimes I&#039;d fire 5 rockets and none would come out but my ammo would be gone.&nbsp; Anyhow I&#039;m sure that had nothing to do with it.&nbsp; Like you just said 3v2 shouldn&#039;t really count.<br /><br />If you recall every single SPE vs SPE 2v2 practice we played, the team I was on always won.&nbsp;  8)<br /><br />[quote]i admit our team lost motivation after that point and got raped silly in the rest, but we actually did play better without kist. and you.[/quote]<br /><br />Hardly, that trade cemented SUC into another championship and doomed SPE to failure.<br /><br />[quote]you know, trading kist to SUC didn&#039;t make them any stronger. they would win with mortal anyways. but it did make SPE a bit stronger in a sense. it would be really silly not to see mortal&#039;s tactical value. at that moment, benching me and playing nero-mortal-fast would be quite dangerous to opponents. sadly, you didn&#039;t give that a chance. for you, the hatred of the old strong SUC was more important than supporting SPE.[/quote]<br /><br />Nero knew at the beginning of the season that if he took JKist I fully expected him to keep him.&nbsp; He could have taken other players, he could have traded for Gax which would have resulted in a stronger SPE team.&nbsp; He traded JKist anyways.&nbsp; Mortal had little tactical value to SPE, SPE needed offense, at the very least he should have traded for gyrossman which would have made SPE a better balanced team.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=134.msg1067#msg1067 date=1251601013]If you think that trading JKist was what SPE did wrong you&#039;re just being naive.[/quote]<br /><br />Look at the season results, wow.<br /><br />[quote]First of all who doesn&#039;t win with White and Chain on their team.[/quote]<br /><br />What does that have to do with anything?&nbsp; Obviously it wasn&#039;t the best team that year.<br /><br />[quote]Franchising that guy is just a fucking mistake. Second, aside from picking a bad player as a franchise they also choose JKist instead of Collision or METALBLACK. Those are way more reasonable picks for a CTF league than JKist for anyone but SUC.[/quote]<br /><br />I want to comment on this as well, JKist never gave SPE what he gave SUC.&nbsp; If you look at the demos it is obvious.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think he does it on purpose but he cares a lot more about an all NS team.<br /><br />[quote]I&#039;m not knocking Nero, I think he was trying things out and will make a serious impact next season. He learned his lesson about some players and we all have those experiences. But to say you&#039;re quitting because you&#039;re unhappy with your team is silly. I was on VGR when saber quit and we got Naut and I showed to every game and when I was traded to the worst team in the league record-wise continued to play. Stop being a pissant and play some doom or go away.[/quote]<br /><br />I was perfectly happy to play all season with the SPE roster as it was.&nbsp; I played matches on TNMT with ExWizard, Lockwolf and Beast.&nbsp; No American player should have to be on a team with 3 EU players in a league based over here.&nbsp; It&#039;s unfair, and pure hell on practicing and scheduling.&nbsp; Fuck that.&nbsp; There should be a 1 EU player limit per team.<br /><br />[quote]Dewww is 100% right. Trading Kist was the right call for SPE, and mortal played as well or better for them as he is a veteran defender and could practice with the euro team probably more so that Kist would have or even could have.. If anything franchising Fastidious was the mistake. I made a similar mistake in Season 4 drafting Caboose knowing he has a really shitty attitude and isn&#039;t reliable at all. I made a captaining decision to&nbsp; trade Kandy for Potent and as a result of that Caboose quit on me because he disagreed with my decision. And while I made due for the rest of the season it really hurt my team. Players like Fastidious and Caboose who extort their captains (intentionally or unintentionally) hurt the league way more than perceived bad trades. They displace the skill level of teams (losing a 1st or 2nd pick to politics) and make trading way more of a taboo thing for captains to take advantage of.[/quote]<br /><br />LOL!&nbsp; Even if you add in all my SPE missed matches, I still have probably a better attendance record than 95% of the IDL.&nbsp; You act as if captains are dictators over players, they are not.&nbsp; To think so is naive and stupid and bad for the league.&nbsp; I intentially sat out matches for RNB to let Gax play.&nbsp; I let White run despite perferring to do so myself.&nbsp; A captain has to put his team first, if you know your players are unhappy with a possible decision then you don&#039;t have to make it.&nbsp; There is usually another option.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s good players occasionally punish captains who take them for granted.&nbsp; This is a competitive league for fun, no one is getting paid to play.<br /><br />[quote]I&#039;m not totally sure about the recruitment drive issue either. I mean if we keep the league at 8 teams (which I do see happening) I&#039;m seeing enough activity in priv that I don&#039;t foresee a drought in players. Don&#039;t get me wrong, I wouldn&#039;t mind some new players putting their names in the ring (aside from Mistopher) but as it stands there are 8 active players from EVO, 6 from UD, 3-4 from NS, a few DXers laying about still and miek too. Count in the stable R sign ups and you&#039;ve got 24 at least. I agree it would be nice to see a recruitment drive but really add euros and I don&#039;t see a major issue. I play public from time to time and there isn&#039;t like some untapped resource or anything. It&#039;s trash like always and most active good players figure it out and join IDL anyway. We post in the forums and some of us hang out in zdirc.[/quote]<br /><br />24?&nbsp; That&#039;d be horrible, probably the death of the league.&nbsp; For instance 41 signed up this season.&nbsp; Frankly in the past few seasons private activity has been extremely slow compared to past seasons.&nbsp; Season 2 or 3 was probably the high.&nbsp; I remember playing hours of private a day some weeks.<br /><br />[quote]The problem with this season is that Ralphis dropped out. Fuck that guy he&#039;s gay. BAM. Everything else was good.[/quote]<br /><br />Bah, Ralphis has done more for the league than anyone.&nbsp; He always thinks I hate him for some reason, but I&#039;m just abrasive on certain things.&nbsp; We &lt;3 you Ralphis.