[quote]I don&#039;t think it&#039;s exactly correct to say that the Oda Devs built the port around IDL. They added some features to iron out CFT and to make the IDL move from ZDaemon more easier. However, the goal of Oda is the same as it was on day 1: Vanilla Vanilla Vanilla.[/quote]<br /><br />It wasn&#039;t built with the IDL in mind originally (remember this was a project that was launched in the early/mid 00s). However, over the last year, the Oda team has definitely built moreso with the IDL in mind than what ZDaemon ever had done. Not to mention, as long as the IDL is on Oda, it will continue to do so as the IDL is one of Oda&#039;s greatest ways to track the progress of the ports development.<br /><br />[quote]I think you need to clear up what you mean by &#039;playing stability&#039;. For me that refers to being able to stay in the damn server without crashing (fuck 108 forever). If you&#039;re referring to bugs that negatively affect gameplay, I&#039;ll agree that season 12 did have quirks during some matches and practices that simply ruined the experience. However, this season was quite smooth and the only instance that I observed first hand was the flag dropping into the lava sector on map25. It&#039;s been stated that it had something to do with the nodes.[/quote]<br /><br />In terms of playing stability, ZDaemon was the superior port if we&#039;re talking about last seasons on Oda. I can&#039;t speak to this season but the point that I&#039;m making is that most people could jump on ZDaemon and not miss a beat. But I already mentioned why I think going back to ZDaemon isn&#039;t a good idea. <br /><br />[quote]I feel as if I&#039;ve been repeating myself lately with regards to why moving to Zandronum would not be a good long term solution. For starters, Zan has a bad track record with CTF leagues and struggles with leagues in general. The port itself is not quite on par with the competitive ability of ZDaemon, although I know that the next release will be very solid in this aspect. Then there is the largest con of them all: the playerbase. It is safe to say that Zan regulars that have been responsible for bullshit of this season, along with previous seasons, have murdered any minute chance of the IDL moving to Zandronum. I think the best bet would be for Zan to develop it&#039;s own CTF league (which is what they are doing currently?). Honestly, you&#039;d have to pay people like Bones, Ralph, dewww, mike, LB, and myself along with other IDL contributors to manage a league on Zan. We all value what little sanity we have left and having to deal with the likes of dr.noob and other retards on a daily basis wouldn&#039;t be worth it anyway. Plus there&#039;s another factor most people haven&#039;t giving a though about: A possible clash between the Zan administration and the IDL administration. As I said before, the better path for Zan is to make it&#039;s own league from within.[/quote]<br /><br />Can&#039;t really disagree with this at all. Zandronum itself isn&#039;t a bad port - it&#039;s better than it&#039;s ever been (referring to Skulltag as well). It will always be it&#039;s community that holds it back. <br /><br />[quote]As for Oda, many players are out of the loop of what we have been addressing this entire year so far. One thing we&#039;ve completed was in response to some players claiming the SSG &#039;didn&#039;t kill&#039;. Turns out weapon damage was handled differently on ZDaemon (namely the NS weapon dmflag). We&#039;ve tested a new compat flag and it will probably be included in the next release. I must say however, I don&#039;t understand the flip-flopping. In the past there weren&#039;t any complaints and some even suggested nerfing the SSG. Yet, it&#039;s been confirmed by Sean that there were no changes made to the weapon behavior from beta .6 to now. It&#039;s all in your heads.[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t know what&#039;s been addressed - I&#039;m sure plenty of things have been so far. I wasn&#039;t happy with some of the bugs for the time that I played last season but I never felt they&#039;d remain there long. Dr. Sean and the rest of the Oda team seem really focused on improving the stability and playability of their port - I&#039;ll never argue that. Oda just gets a bad name and becomes the scape goat because people didn&#039;t want to switch to a new port (which it&#039;s hard to blame people for not wanting to switch as well). It was just one of the cons of moving to a new port. Hopefully, if the Oda community can grow, the pros will outweigh the cons that have already been set in motion. <br /><br />[quote]At the end of it all, we can only do so much and bend over backwards and inside out for so long. After all the long hours of work, if players still don&#039;t want to give Oda a try (which directly affects the IDL), then there&#039;s really nothing more that can be done. Quite honestly, after taking a look at the entire MP Community, it just appears that the competitive scene is on its way to becoming a thing of the past. You might actually be on to something when you say we should enjoy what we have while we still have it.[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s all that can really be done. But the sad truth is, finding a stable port that supports IDL might have taken too long as people have lost interest, youngblood that isn&#039;t retarded is hard to come by and for the one&#039;s who actually do want to continue, it&#039;s hard to stay motivated when you need to learn the ins and outs of a new port. I hate being negative and suggesting that this is &quot;the end&quot; we&#039;ve prophesied for so long, but frankly, I don&#039;t see this ending very well. I really hope I&#039;m wrong about that though.&nbsp; <br />