[quote author=MassVC link=topic=544.msg5520#msg5520 date=1322718980]<br />What does Rust&#039;s thread have to do with anything?&nbsp; Are you suggesting that I didn&#039;t recommend any maps for inclusion or exclusion?&nbsp; That is obviously false.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t do it in that thread, but why should I?&nbsp; Players don&#039;t need to know my opinions; I need to know theirs.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />As a member of the board, and as a representative of the IDL player base, this is a hilarious comment. The administration should always be forthcoming and honest with their opinions. The board is intended to represent the player base. This isn&#039;t possible with that type of attitude. <br /><br />[quote author=MassVC link=topic=544.msg5520#msg5520 date=1322718980]<br />I playtested every single map.&nbsp; Several times.<br />[/quote]<br /><br /> ;D<br /><br />Playtesting was non-existent. I said it in an earlier post, but I believe map quality has suffered due to this. That isn&#039;t to say I agree with every complaint; you can&#039;t always get what you want. Nothing is perfect. I&#039;m looking forward to seeing which maps are successful and which aren&#039;t. This backlash should prove to be a nice incentive for the board to put in more effort when it comes to playing the maps in an IDL setting. <br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=544.msg5516#msg5516 date=1322705008]<br />Here are some things admins shouldn&#039;t do:<br /><br />&nbsp; - Pick apart posts as pedantically as possible<br />&nbsp; - Publicly shame anyone who disagrees with them or points out an inconsistency in their actions<br />&nbsp; - Dump on people who help them out<br />&nbsp; - Criticize each other&#039;s good faith efforts<br />&nbsp; - Publicly accuse each other and other helpful IDL players (Fastidious, JKist3, Ladna, Nostar, mikehail) of conspiracy<br />&nbsp; - Refuse to discuss an issue<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think at times everyone is guilty of these things. This thread was derailed very quickly because of this. Considering my earlier comments, it may sound like I&#039;m doing it right now in this post. I believe there is a clear difference between constructive criticism and the type of criticism you&#039;re talking about. Luckily the board has posted in great depth throughout this thread. I have to say that being a part of previous administrations in various roles, I&#039;m not confident in saying that this administration &quot;puts in more time, works harder, and with more thoughtful deliberation than any administration in the past&quot;. Is this thread really about picking apart the way Ralph and Ladna ran the league? I don&#039;t see anything wrong, anything, with the way the league was run in the past. Our &quot;hard work&quot; has yet to be put to the test. The professional, smart, courteous, and truthful thing to say is the current administration sees some things differently than it&#039;s predecessor. <br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=544.msg5516#msg5516 date=1322705008]<br />&nbsp; - MAP07 opened several IDL seasons<br />&nbsp; - MAP19, MAP27, ODA02, and MAP30 were Masterbowl maps<br /><br />Here&#039;s what really gets me though:<br /><br />&nbsp; - These things were never considered<br />&nbsp; - When mikehail brought up my idea of namespacing the Masterbowl maps differently (like &quot;map mb001&quot;), the board voted it down<br /><br />Those facts prove to me that the current administration just doesn&#039;t give a fuck about IDL&#039;s legacy, and it saddens me.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m just as upset as you about these things. I have to say when it came down to voting, I was very vocal about keeping the wad limited to 32 maps. My belief was that keeping the limit would help the board further weed out maps that aren&#039;t IDL worthy. I never expected to see those maps go, and had I known it was heading in that direction I certainly would have pushed to include more maps. I only wanted to replace a map if there was a better replacement for it. I don&#039;t feel like members of the board shared this philosophy. Regardless, the board should be commended for including this many new maps. Even though the process didn&#039;t go as I had initially hoped it would, they spent a lot of time looking through over 10 wads to try and incorporate new and fresh maps. I will defend their effort to get new maps into the wad until the day mikehail has sex for the first time. You all should too.<br /><br />I also support keeping Masterbowl maps in the wad. I&#039;m not sure why it was voted down, but those maps are iconic and deserve to stay. I started my own tradition here. The previous seasons Masterbowl map will always be Week 1 of the new season. If you vote out the MB map, there goes my tradition you assholes!<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=544.msg5541#msg5541 date=1322775552]<br />I think this thread has shown a few things:<br /><br />1.&nbsp; Guys who aren&#039;t playing have a say if they post on the forums (Chow has 1.5? seasons played thus far).&nbsp; Hope we see him play this season however (Chow you have until Dec. 3 to confirm, man up)!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I really hope so, I am a huge Chow fan!<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=544.msg5541#msg5541 date=1322775552]<br />My understanding is Mikehail has resigned from the board (not sure if this was made public) and Bones is looking for a replacement.&nbsp; Why doesn&#039;t someone like Jenova or Chow step in for him?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Not bad suggestions at all. I haven&#039;t stated in public that Mike resigned, but it&#039;s true. I&#039;m really looking for someone who is relatively new to the league and can represent those players who have recently joined up to be a part of the fun. <br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=544.msg5541#msg5541 date=1322775552]<br />I think the whole #idlb thing is a joke.&nbsp; I&#039;ve never go in there but I understand there are now 10 or so people who hang out in there.&nbsp; Why not just suck it up and do discussions in #idl.&nbsp; You guys already admit to arguing for hours, it&#039;s possible the added people in #idl might actually speed things up.&nbsp; I&#039;ve never been a fan of secrecy or elites only discussions.&nbsp; Excluding people is not what the IDL was built on.<br /><br /><br />A big part of it is the board operates in secrecy and doesn&#039;t try to get the public involved.&nbsp; Basically they decide in secret then announce the decisions, then the public says, &quot;WTF?!?!&quot;, then the board says &quot;too late!&quot;.&nbsp; That has been happening season after season and it&#039;s pretty dumb.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not sure it&#039;s about being secret. It&#039;s a well known fact the board can argue about one issue for up to 5 hours. I really have no problem who sees us arguing, but I do have a problem with being interrupted in the middle of discussions. #idl isn&#039;t ALL about the IDL, there are lots of things that people talk about that aren&#039;t related in any way. I find it a lot easier to discuss important things that need to be discussed in another channel specifically for discussing important things with less people. There was some discussion about why I wasn&#039;t letting certain people into the board channel. It had nothing to do with who was joining, it had to do with the amount of people joining. I find it really hard to believe that 5 hour arguments can go any faster with more people involved. But what the hell, it&#039;s really not worth my time to fight about it. Whoever wants to join can join. <br /><br /><br /><br />