re: played out<br /><br />I&#039;m not saying that&#039;s what I think, I&#039;m saying if you&#039;re gonna make the argument that ZDCTF07 etc. are old/played out, then you have to be fair and say those other maps are also.<br /><br />re: chaotic<br /><br />I don&#039;t know if I even like chaotic maps.&nbsp; I feel like if a map is too chaotic or too big or too random that good teams can be beaten by bad teams simply via luck.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying ZDCTF18 is one of those, I&#039;m just wary of having this prized &quot;chaotic&quot; value work its way into our minds.