the idl spends its time ostracizing itself from anything zandronum so do not be surprised when a clan does not take action upon things like this. I dont like what he did any more than anyone else in this thread, but someone has to be reasonable about things. people are free to assume whatever dribble they want and call me a tosen apologist or whatever.<br /><br />[quote]<br />if anyone even passingly mentioned a demand to ban tosen from skulltag, he&#039;s out of his element. we don&#039;t care, we don&#039;t force that type of shit. we just use the information about someone being banned from somewhere when considering invitations. tosen will never play IDL as long as i have something to say about it and that&#039;s that.<br />[/quote]<br />a) someone already tried to get tosen banned from zandronum. not naming any names here but it did happen<br />b) you allow pretty much everyone to play in the idl regardless of what they do. you have very little room to criticize a zandro clan for their actions or their members for the action of keeping someone around for something even though they did something, for all intents and purposes, on a completely different game<br /><br /><br /><br />[quote]what we do care about is how actual IDL players treat the issue and your stance is very disappointing. you&#039;re just washing your hands, you&#039;re trying to compartmentalize the damage as if [i]tosen ruining an IDL game wasn&#039;t a problem for you as his clanmate and an IDL player.[/i] the jugs ARE connected. i would throw him out of my clan in a heartbeat and if i couldn&#039;t (wasn&#039;t a clanleader), i&#039;d walk. from you and water i see just a huge lack of vision, of the bigger picture. you&#039;re not manning up and taking a stance, because keeping the shitty status quo is somehow more comfortable, even though it means everyone will label you as a tosen apologist.[/quote]<br />see above. I believe I am taking a stance on this, I am tempering emotion with reason. everyone and their dog likes to call a burn the witch cry but at the end of the day you get past shit like this.<br /><br /><br />[quote]hahaha... keep digging! your dignity could be buried in a matchbox, but this hole is getting big enough even for ralph&#039;s ego! you don&#039;t realize it at this point, but your stance in this fiasco will haunt you for times to come, because shit does stick and leave stains on your reputation.<br />[/quote]<br />some more a) b)<br />a) you telling me about dignity. amusing.<br />b) this isn&#039;t high school (I should hope not.) you are allowed to have opinions!!! and I do not care if something will come back to &quot;haunt&quot; me. I am just merely tolerating (keyword: tolerating, not enjoying/embracing him) tosen&#039;s existence in my zandronum clan which is none of your business to be honest.<br /><br />[quote]<br />&lt;dewww&gt; also i like how it went from condemning tosen to slapping legion<br />&lt;dewww&gt; i think the guy is a masochist and people humiliating him makes him hard<br />&lt;RottKing&gt; of course he is he&#039;s a school teacher<br />[/quote]<br />the topic was honestly supposed to be about the board but somehow got dumped on my end for whatever reason<br /><br />[quote]That said, lobbying to have someone banned from a given port because they ruined an IDL game is a little silly.&nbsp; Who cares if they can play shitty public CTF, that&#039;s the REAL punishment right there.&nbsp; That&#039;s why we&#039;ve never lobbied for that.&nbsp; Besides, we&#039;re not so petty as to want someone to never have fun ever again.&nbsp; We just don&#039;t want it to be at our expense, and if you go so far as to ruin an IDL playoff game, I think it&#039;s pretty reasonable to ban you from the competitive Doom scene.[/quote]<br />this rings as hypocritcal from the same person who, in another topic quite a while ago, claimed that skulltag/zandronum could never be competitive. I remember the countless topics of &quot;no skulltag cannot be competitive.&quot; and all of the irc arguments of the same vein. now, though, you want to treat it as such when something goes wrong? you cannot have it both ways<br />[quote]I don&#039;t know what any of this has to do with anything.&nbsp; IDL couldn&#039;t give a shit about what ZD or ST2 do because those communities lost any semblance of credibility or respect years ago. [/quote]<br />again, you demand respect on those communities but, have in the past, shot them down as non-competitive ports, and try to avoid any contact with them.