[quote author=dew link=topic=762.msg7879#msg7879 date=1354808421]<br />[quote author=Hatred link=topic=762.msg7877#msg7877 date=1354772237]props to my oldschool boys<br />[/quote]<br />i get it, you&amp;the gang were the shit. now piss off.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not really sure what I said. Whatever it was, it certainly pissed you off. Being that I&#039;m the bigger man and I still love me some Dew, I&#039;ll apologize even though I likely did nothing wrong. By the way, aren&#039;t you practically old school?&nbsp; :P<br /><br />[quote=&quot;Ralphis&quot;]You&#039;re right. I made a mistake and learned from my mistake which lead to my new stance on pushing players into playing. I figured those would be solid motivational techniques to get you to play, which obviously worked at some level. Unfortunately, you ended up bombing your team mid-season which I never expected you to do. We can agree - lesson learned.[/quote]<br /><br />I wasn&#039;t motivated and it was pretty clear. I think it was actually Dew who encouraged me at one point to step down as I appeared to have &quot;lost all motivation,&quot; which is certainly a good reason to not continue.<br /><br />I didn&#039;t figure I&#039;d quit half-way through. Nevertheless, as a captain, I take full responsibility for my actions and apologize for that. The real point I was trying to make was that I&#039;m an example of a player who should step aside rather than take a roster spot from new talent when it was clear as day that I lacked motivation. <br /><br />[quote=&quot;Ralphis&quot;]I suppose all of these people had varying degrees of importance throughout the league&#039;s span, but a lot of the people you named further prove my point. Jenova played a total of two full seasons in the IDL and hasn&#039;t played in roughly two years. Mikehail also hasn&#039;t played in at least that long. Chewy was simply a player who showed up and played his games like everyone else. Most of the names you gave did contribute at some level (varying from minimal to significant) but were not critical to the function of the IDL as a whole. I was bounced out of the league in Summer 09 and it still functioned fine without me because Ladna was there to still operate it correctly. As long as there are people running league operations competently and the necessary number of players to cover the draft and free agency, having &quot;marquee&quot; names is a luxury, not a necessity. [/quote]<br /><br />Jenova also captained two masterbowl winning teams. Not to mention, he hosted the IDL servers last season (I don&#039;t know if he still is). Chewy is one of the greatest Doomers of all time (if not the greatest) and had so many magical moments through-out his time in the IDL. Whether or not these players participated in league make-or-break decisions isn&#039;t the point, the point is they still played. Without them, there is no league so they [b]are[/b] important. And your post regarding Ladna as being the only important player to lose really seemed to undervalue the common player who dedicated their time and effort to this league.<br /><br />Mike was a great board member for a long time. I&#039;d like to think he was actually really important as well. Even though he hasn&#039;t played since season 9, he was still on the board and made significant decisions. I kept him separate from Jenova/Chewy as I think his contributions were more significant from a board member standpoint than a player standpoint. <br /><br />I also find it curious that you failed to mention Nostar or Mass after I mentioned them. Regardless of your feelings for them or opinion of how they operated, they were pretty damn important. I&#039;d just like to point that out is all. <br /><br />The point is this: every single player to ever join a server with an IDL team tag on was important. Whether they were on the board or a common player, they were important because as I said, without them you have no IDL.&nbsp; But you are right, there are varying degrees but your initial post only mentioned Ladna as being important. I&#039;m glad you corrected that. <br /><br />[quote=&quot;Ralphis&quot;]I&#039;m glad we&#039;re in agreement that new blood is good. However I don&#039;t see anything about these &quot;dumb foreigners&quot; that makes them much different than some of our traditional &quot;dumb North Americans&quot; other than the fact that they actually seem to want to play without being crybabies, half-assers, and/or quitters. I&#039;ll take the &quot;dumb foreigners&quot; every day of the week.[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ve always stood by the idea that new blood is the most important thing. Not only is it important to this league, it&#039;s crucial if Doom wants to continue on. Like you, I&#039;ve been around long enough to see old players go while new players rise. Some of the players in todays league haven&#039;t and perhaps that&#039;s why some people don&#039;t think it&#039;s important to get new blood in and help develop them as we&#039;ve seen this transition before.<br /><br />The dumb foreigners comment was just a joke. Actually, I was just referring to Dew. Fuck that guy. Love you, Dew. <br /><br />Overall, you&#039;re allowed to have your opinion and while I hate knowing that my last season went the way it did, I&#039;d hope you and every other IDL player will remember me for my previous 4 IDL seasons where I practiced every night and worked my ass off to produce the best teams possible each week. Certainly I made some questionable decisions along the way but you live and you learn. I just hope when you say &quot;half-assers/quitters,&quot; you&#039;re not referring to me. Because I sacrificed a lot of time to make sure me and my team mattered in this league for those seasons. <br /><br />[quote=&quot;Shane&quot;]Let me just step in here real quick and throw in my 2 cents, I want to change the perspective just a little bit as to maybe/why other players and not just veterans are signing up. It&#039;s easier if I started at the beginning<br /><br />I signed up to the IDL simply so I could have my shot at taking down more well experienced players and just hopefully come out on top, infact some of the first things I said to Stall were &quot;It would be incredibly awesome if we dominate and beat the masterbowl so I could be (possibly) the first nobody to come from nowhere and win the IDL&quot;. Of course I bombed the first match on a map I don&#039;t like and was sat the whole season, but thats not important. The point is my drive to join the IDL was to pit myself against players I&#039;ve barely seen before who occasionally came into a ZD priv or ST priv and destroyed the competition, to see if I could match their skill or if by luck surpass it in some way.<br /><br />Well whats this leading to? you might ask, simple, take a look at the &#039;new blood&#039; signing up this season as opposed to other seasons. It&#039;s mainly people who have played previously and a assortment of spanish foreigners, they just want to play and have fun like a normal doomer should. Compare this to all previous seasons before, if you take a look at the rosters and free agents you will find many names that never cropped up outside of IDL, many players I know and wonder how they didn&#039;t make the cut. In short, the lack of new players coming in can relate to the lack of veteran players and the challenge that these players are looking for when they sign up for IDL.<br /><br />I could be thinking too deep into this, infact I might just be an idiot, but I just wanted to express my view.[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not going to break down your post paragraph for paragraph because what you&#039;re trying to say a rather complicated subject. I understand what you&#039;re trying to say though.<br /><br />Here&#039;s the thing: your Nightfangs brother if I remember correctly. Many of the people here don&#039;t know who that was but I came along right around the time he left ZD for good (or had it taken away from him, I wasn&#039;t involved in the matter to know the truth so I won&#039;t say either way). I&#039;m sure you understand how this trend works. Sometimes, a bunch of old players leave and there&#039;s just...the new players. And all of a sudden, those new players are the best. It&#039;s a tough time but you guys have to get through it together by realizing you guys are the best now. A group of intuitive players did this sometime in 2006/2007 and the league you&#039;re playing in today came to be because of those players. Except Ralph and Tai, they&#039;re fucking old. <br /><br />But overall, you understand what I&#039;m trying to say. I have no beef with any one person in the IDL. I&#039;m in a good place now. I know I&#039;m done and I don&#039;t want to steal a roster spot. That said, while I don&#039;t play DooM anymore, I still have love for the game and this league and want to see them flourish. And this post and my previous post should really express that I hope. 