[quote author=Ladna link=topic=723.msg7448#msg7448 date=1346563757]<br />I, and everyone else, never want to hear from Tosen again.&nbsp; I want him to vanish into the ether.&nbsp; I want to burn down his high school and the hospital he was born in.[/quote]<br />understandable<br /><br />[quote]Besides the fact that he&#039;s a pigdicked piece of shit, there&#039;s a good reason I never want to hear from Tosen again, and it&#039;s [b]deterrence[/b].&nbsp; The reason people hardly ever do this in IDL is that we ruin their asses.&nbsp; IDL is respected, so when its admins ask server admins to ban him and clan leaders to ostracize him, they do it.<br />[/quote]<br />you just cant ban him everywhere for something that happened on a port/league completely different and unrelated. I understand for the umpteenth time that it was a shitty thing to do. I realize that you hate him so hard that you want to explode his guts out his rectum. but you cant reach out into zandronum and ban him. that just isn&#039;t reasonable. its like if a guy I know in a tf2 clan I&#039;m in crashed an idl game. what the fuck am I supposed to do about it?<br /><br />[quote]<br />If H doesn&#039;t boot Tosen, it shows that they have no respect for IDL.&nbsp; If you guys remain in H, that also shows that you have no respect for IDL, so you shouldn&#039;t be surprised when IDL says, and these are just some of the things I&#039;ve heard, that you have &quot;penis breath&quot;, or keep trying to give &quot;rim jobs&quot; because you &quot;love the taste of shit curds&quot;.<br />[/quote]<br />this is the exact thing I try to avoid, you know the angry hatemongering? claiming that I or other members of H do not have respect for the IDL is absurd and you know this well. nothing is stopping you from saying this but nothing stops me from telling you that you&#039;re getting emotional.<br /><br />[quote]<br />I&#039;ve heard some bullshit about how Tosen is &quot;banned on Odamex&quot;, and how it shouldn&#039;t matter to an st2 clan that Tosen did something in IDL or on Odamex.<br /><br /><br /><br />First, you can&#039;t be &quot;banned on Odamex&quot;.&nbsp; Second, I wish you guys wouldn&#039;t be such pussies while you try and rationalize keeping Tosen in your clan.&nbsp; These excuses are bullshit, IDL isn&#039;t Odamex, IDL is a port-independent, player-based CTF league.&nbsp; We should be proud of IDL, what it stands for and what it&#039;s achieved, and we should defend it when it&#039;s assaulted.<br />[/quote]<br />personally I am not rationalizing keeping him in at all. I wish he were gone for good from the clan but that decision is up to the clan leaders, and both of them have said &quot;it is honestly none of our business since we have nothing to do with idl or its maintenance.&quot; there isn&#039;t anything I or any of the other members of the clan can do other than just deal with it, or leave. personally I am not leaving because of one member doing a really shitty thing, but that&#039;s just me.<br /><br /><br /><br />[quote]Take your retarded philosophy to its logical conclusion.&nbsp; If it&#039;s OK for st2 clans to fuck up non-st2 events, then what you&#039;re saying is that st2 clans are more important than IDL.[/quote]<br />this is so utterly false that there are no words to describe it. if you really think that that is what my ultimate conclusion is then I seriously wish you would reexamine things&nbsp; <br /><br /><br />[quote]<br />Is Hydra Redshirt?&nbsp; Why are you guys in a clan run by that kid?&nbsp; He thinks he&#039;s being a boss keeping some faggot in his clan who fucked around with IDL, but all that means is that he&#039;s so self-absorbed that he thinks his clan is more important than IDL.&nbsp; He named his clan [b]AFTER HIMSELF[/b].&nbsp; Is that really what you want to be associated with?<br />[/quote]<br />[H] is [H]olocaust or perhaps [H]appy, but definitely not [H]ydra. he is a pretty cool guy<br /><br />so this begs the question: what the fuck do you want ME to do? I am not the clan leaders, so there isn&#039;t anything I can do about tosen being in the clan. I could leave, but I like being in a clan and pretty much every clan has its one idiot/douchebag/whatever. my only other option is to deal with it, and since almost every other member of H is a really cool guy and plays well on zandronum, I choose to stay. people drawing the wrong conclusion from this are free to do so but they are completely misconstruing me and my intentions