might as well back this up, lots of stuff disappearing recently :-\<br /><br />[quote=&quot;AF-Domains.net&quot;]<br />However, before I get to that..a brief comment regarding this thread..<br /><br />It seems evident that any explanation regarding the Yo Yo part 2 thread going missing would be ignored, since that has apparently been confirmed, it seems that you cannot accept when an accident occurs..these things unfortunately happen.<br /><br />Just a shame you seem to make us out as being liars.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I am not really sure why the old thread wouldn&#039;t be recovered, it contained a good amount of ideas and would sort of prove it was an accident as explained.&nbsp; There was an incredibly well thought-out post by JKist3 which is really a shame to see disappear, he spelled everything correctly and addressed nearly every key issue in a respectful, professional manner.&nbsp; Perhaps it is that incredibly hard to retrieve a thread through the process phenex mentioned, that kilgore wouldn&#039;t bother to retrieve it simply to spite people who became upset.&nbsp; In a community of this size, it only seems logical that no matter what you do you will encounter some sort of disagreement, the question is whether you can move past that disagreement or become embroiled in it.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;Thadeuss&quot;]<br />1) What&#039;s to stop anyone from making a clan portal to ZD? One that posts clan news separately from ZD with all of he ideas mentioned in the previous thread? The answer is nothing.<br /><br />2) Nothing stops you from making tournaments&nbsp; to try and keep things going. You want to help the competitive side of ZD? Then get yourself to the appropriate tourney section and sign up for games; especially in Oceania and the US.<br /><br />3) You want freedom of speech? Start your own forum for ZD players to talk freely or make an irc channel or use a different IRC host.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />In all honesty, I think the IDL website fulfills all of these things more or less.&nbsp; While there is no clan news listed on the IDL site, there is plenty of IDL and doom related news posted and discussed there.&nbsp; Of course, the IDL is the longest running competitive portion of doom I can think of, encompassing a huge percent of the north american scene so much that official tournaments (in america) are having a rough time staying active.&nbsp; In europe things are going quite well, they also do not have a biannual ctf tournament like we do, perhaps that is why?&nbsp; Of course, IDL forums are about as free speech as you can get, located on irc.quakenet.org #idl and http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php I think I deleted a thread there once about, shoes or something (heresy!).<br /><br />I am simply trying to point out an obvious answer to another obvious problem, not somewhat irrationally talking about past occurrences or petty dramatic bullshit or what have you.&nbsp; The problem does exist, there have been quite a few new accounts made over at our forums which air a concern for being moderated or stifled for expressing their opinions, this is a pretty sad state of affairs.&nbsp; I understand there is a lot going on here and nobody really has the entire story, but nobody really wants to tell us the whole story.<br /><br />There are a few key issues here, first in my mind being Raider&#039;s absence.&nbsp; Whether or not he is even absent seems to be a question.&nbsp; I have never been able to get much out of him in the 3+ years I have been here and must say I pretty much gave up on ever contacting him.&nbsp; I had no idea he was still an administrator for this port, but perhaps I am missing something.&nbsp; Second, the tournaments portion of the site has been broken for how many years?&nbsp; Four?&nbsp; Gyrossman has done an [b]EXCELLENT[/b] job helping out the euro tournaments with his professional brackets and really let those guys explode into a swarm of activity.&nbsp; Third, I am not sure the clan portion of the site has ever been updated, why does it seem to be every problem I am addressing should only be good housekeeping practices?&nbsp; Fourth, this is a relatively new issue, longtime public server admins are beginning to feel alienated by proceedings here and more than just Ladna are considering pulling their servers, possibly indefinitely?&nbsp; By no means is this a threat, simply an insight into what looks to be a new problem.&nbsp; Totaltrash was a damn good server, now that it is no longer hosting public ctf, I pretty much don&#039;t see that packed north american public ctf server any more.<br /><br />Really the most important part is advertisement, I don&#039;t know much about that and it was already addressed previously, hire Fsn76 and he will make the most kickass zdaemon video ever imagined.<br /><br />This is not to say I don&#039;t enjoy Zdaemon quite a bit, backwards compatibility is the #1 reason I will always return to play here. No messy downloading or trying to figure out some crap when you just want to play and have some fun. It might be a little bit of a risk to post this here, but the other thread is basically a joke and it would be a waste of time to respond there. I may or may not have crossed into unmentionable topics in my post but I don&#039;t really care. If someone is going to get upset because I suggest solutions to problems they don&#039;t want to hear about or wish to ignore, then maybe you should ban me too and stick your head back into the sand, because I am not sure this is a game I wish to continue playing if a serious response cannot be maturely read and considered. (screw you nostar ill run all the way to indiana and back before i end my sentences!)