[quote author=Godsdoomer link=topic=762.msg7939#msg7939 date=1355703837]<br />Im not trying to look like a know it all, but if ive come off like that, sorry. <br /><br />@Ralph<br />Im not a fan of the administration of ZD, I just like the port; and so do other players who don&#039;t speak because they are never asked to, so I don&#039;t see how my lack of participation makes my post any less credible, even if my views were based on skewed ideas. I don&#039;t want to fall into some sort of semantic trap again so ill just stop there.<br /><br />@ bones<br />Now that I think about it, I can vaguely remember trying out oda with others before the league had moved there.<br /><br />I know that everyone can&#039;t be pleased with the change to oda - me being one of them. The reasons for the move from what Ive heard is that zd was a &quot;dieing&quot; port, and the fact that zd administration wouldn&#039;t give the league the new server clients or whatever they&#039;re called.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I personally do find it relevant if you ever played Odamex or not before deciding you didn&#039;t want to play in IDL just because it moved there. If you just said &quot;well it&#039;s not on ZD anymore so I&#039;m not even gonna bother with it&quot;, you can&#039;t implore on Odamex being a &quot;problem&quot; or talk about how others don&#039;t like playing on it. The question would first be, why haven&#039;t you tried Odamex yet? Did you think you wouldn&#039;t have been as good? Or that you wouldn&#039;t have the time to &quot;learn&quot; it?<br /><br />Anyways, I didn&#039;t like Odamex&#039;s mouse settings in it&#039;s early versions, and I told Ralphis that pretty clearly. He more or less fixed it up, and now I&#039;m arguably better on Odamex than I was on ZD. So, should I want to go back to ZD just so guys like you are appeased who may or may not have wanted to even give Odamex the time of day as opposed to actually playing Odamex and finding real problems with it?<br /><br />That&#039;s the issue I see here. Who&#039;s really being left out? I don&#039;t believe the guys who have real problems with Oda are being ignored; a new version was just made in an attempt to fix these problems. I guess guys like you clearly have lives and can&#039;t fathom playing a new port are &quot;left out&quot;, as if you were banned just for still playing ZDaemon even though you&#039;re not. That&#039;s fine, but trying to make it sound like you or anyone else was did wrong is kind of a joke.<br /><br />