So, what do you guys propose, can zdaemon be helped ? Is it worth saving, or do we just wait(some of you are actively helping or developing so don&#039;t be offended by this term) for odamex to save the day ?<br /><br />I&#039;m getting all kinds of ideas, for instance a lot of the services zdaemon provides can be duplicated, you can run an alternative front page, alternative forums(the over-moderation is absurd), alternative IRC channel, maybe even alternative master with a modified zserv(?). But this might just split up the community, hurting it even more.<br /><br />I think we all know where the problem lies. Raider doesn&#039;t do anything visible and he did not put anyone in his place to do the work for him(seems to me kilgore just happens to do some stuff since he&#039;s got the access), he may be providing the funding or even some necessarily administration so that the port can survive on daily bases - and by no means is that a small deed, but as we are all probably aware, zdaemon and doom in general needs much more to survive in this day and age.<br /><br />I&#039;m still hoping raider or kilgore wake up one day, realize things are going nowhere, and they do something radical about it. But the outlook is pretty bleak, how else would you explain this remark by kilgore: &quot;If anyone is interested, he can talk to raider in person.&quot; , i&#039;ve heard pretty incredible stories of people trying to contact raider on numerous occasions for various reasons, never to get a word from him. I once PM&#039;ed him on the forums myself, it was quite a lengthy post, not really something of terrible importance, but i expected at least an &quot;Aye&quot;, to know he bothered to read the damn message, nothing.<br /><br />What i would propose, and suggested in the link provided with my previous post, is a complete change of administration. I believe players themselves should vote on a board of players who would be responsible for the direction zdaemon takes. Not one single person, i would suggest about 5 people who would then put a proper zdaemon administration in place. You know, people who actually care for the community and are interested and capable of getting stuff done. These 5(or whichever number would be agreed upon) members would set out the goals for the zdaemon administration team and set a general direction, they would apoint a manager responsible for getting those goals done. That way, the port does not die if one key person loses interest and changes don&#039;t happen just out a whim of one person with the power.<br /><br />I don&#039;t know, i&#039;m just thinking on the go here, but the status quo of zdaemon is a nightmare and i&#039;m trying to come up with some ideas. Sadly, i don&#039;t feel i can speak openly in the zdaemon forum so i do it here.<br /><br />And in a closing statement, i have a special message for kilgore. I love you man(in a non-gay way), i know you have done incredible amount of work for zdaemon and i think even most of those who speak harshly against you(and sometimes they might be justified for doing so) realize this. But things need to be fixed now, and this time fixing the source code won&#039;t do, the bug is in the top chair, listen to the people even when what they say sounds uncomfortable. Raider can&#039;t fix the problem, raider and the system he put in place IS the problem.<br /><br />p.s as you have problably guessed, this is not my real nickname, i know people have been banned in the past for speaking against the zdaemon apparatus , i still want to have the opportunity to play the game(and to clarify, i have nothing against the game of zdaemon itself, this is where i think kilgore has done a great job)