Rofl. We might as well include zdctf map06 in the wad!<br /><br />[quote author=chow link=topic=544.msg5478#msg5478 date=1322626884]oft-abused ... sleazy, blind, and isolated ... shady PM deals[/quote]<br /><br />This is the part where I say, &quot;To what are you referring?&quot; And then you say something, and then I retort.&nbsp; Anyway, I assume this is just rhetoric for attention-seeking&#039;s sake.<br /><br />Welcome to the forums, by the way.&nbsp; I&#039;ve been starting all kinds of threads to gauge the player base&#039;s opinion on various issues, and so have other board members!&nbsp; Unfortunately most of the players (including you, although you just sort of made a comeback with the internet and so on) aren&#039;t very vocal, or haven&#039;t been until 12:20 AM today.<br /><br />For example, see: http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=460.0.&nbsp; Only administrators or past administrators commented on the subject at all.&nbsp; You (all) had four months to respond; you didn&#039;t; then a couple of weeks later we voted on all of these changes.&nbsp; I can only assume that everybody loves our changes!&nbsp; Because they didn&#039;t say otherwise.&nbsp; If you can think of some way to get everybody to participate in these discussions that we haven&#039;t, be our guest.&nbsp; But know they already exist.<br /><br />I&#039;m not just being sarcastic.&nbsp; I do appreciate you voicing your opinion, and if you look at the discussions I&#039;ve been involved in lately on the forums, you&#039;ll see that I am [b]100% in favor of democratically running the IDL[/b] (among, of course, those players who intend to play and thus will be affected by the voting).&nbsp; Unforunately, it is more difficult to do than to say.<br /><br />&quot;Let&#039;s choose maps democratically!&quot;&nbsp; Great, let&#039;s do it.&nbsp; How?&nbsp; How do you use democratic votes to choose new maps for the wad?&nbsp; How do you decide how many maps to replace, which maps to replace, and which new maps will be introduced?&nbsp; What exactly would the vote be, and how do you process the results?&nbsp; I have some education on the subject, but I cannot figure it out myself.<br /><br />Now suppose there is such a fair system.&nbsp; (There isn&#039;t.)&nbsp; The problem, which is the same as with American democracy, is that most of the IDL players would not vote because they are teenage video game players who do not give a shit about draft order determination.&nbsp; I am not putting them down; we vocal players are the freaks who care about DOOM draft order while they are getting laid on the roof.&nbsp; Such a vote will reflect the vocal minority, not the opinion of the player base as a whole.&nbsp; That minority will not even attempt to reflect the whole of the players.&nbsp; The board, on the other hand, is at least supposed to ask people what they want (again, the thread) and then try to decide what will be the most fun for the whole league.<br /><br />This sounds like an accusation that there is a secret underground plot to put BPCTF Map26 in the wad for the board&#039;s personal gain, aheheahawheha..<br /><br />[size=5]AAHAFHEUHEHAAGHAHH[/size]<br /><br />