Nostar nice post, nice to see some of the thought process behind what the board is doing as always.&nbsp; I&#039;d actually argue most of the maps removed were more unpopular than anything.&nbsp; I rarely saw any of those maps get picked in priv or picked by IDL teams for playoffs.&nbsp; Some of them were in the wad way too long.<br /><br />Hatred regarding SCTF02 I think you just haven&#039;t played it enough perhaps.&nbsp; I&#039;ve probably played it as much as anyone (except Chaindude) and it&#039;s in my opinion a 2D map unless you have great team work or a unique lineup.&nbsp; They way I usually play it is one D up by flag but ready to SSG enemies below and another D down by the easy to get SSG looking down the water &quot;halls&quot; so he can see enemies long distances away.&nbsp; It&#039;s worked very well for me but it&#039;s not as easy to do as it sounds and typically if the upper D dies you need to rotate in to cover there then replace lower D next.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=550.msg5620#msg5620 date=1323545782]<br />But when you remove maps, you need clear reasons for doing so.[/quote]<br /><br />It would be cool to see standards applied but then you&#039;d not be talking about specific maps but general rules of maps.&nbsp; That seems like a big change.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=550.msg5620#msg5620 date=1323545782][size=4][b]Old/Played Out[/b][/size]<br /><br />Here are some old maps that remain:<br /><br />1, 4, 8, 9, 11, 14, 17, 18, 26[/quote]<br /><br />I disagree all of those are played out.&nbsp; Some are played out in that I feel they are &quot;solved&quot; to a large degree and everyone knows them super well.&nbsp; Others such as 18 are so chaotic I don&#039;t think they can ever be played out.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=550.msg5620#msg5620 date=1323545782][size=4][b]Large/Slow/Grind[/b][/size]<br /><br />Not only did you keep Tribute (map11), but you [b]ADDED[/b] Deliverance and Libraries.&nbsp; You can also make grind cases for 1, 4, 8, 9, 14, 26 and 31.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />As time goes on I dislike grinds more and more.&nbsp; They used to be my bread and butter of CTF but know I recognize them as boring and dull.&nbsp; I should note I usually do really well on grinds but I still prefer deeper maps now.