Here, Fast.&nbsp; This is what a discussion looks like:<br /><br />I think non-players should not have a say in the IDL.&nbsp; Of course they can voice their opinions, and players can take those opinions into account if they so choose, but I think that players are by no means obligated to take them into account, and non-players should not get offended (as they currently do) when their opinions are not taken as forceful.&nbsp; Here is an example:<br /><br />Fastidious: &quot;I think map09 is horrible.&nbsp; You should take it out of the wad.&quot;<br /><br />But why would we do that?&nbsp; If Fast is not going to play, then he can&#039;t possibly play on map09 in the IDL or use it as his homefield or worry about whether it is the MB map.&nbsp; His opinion in this case should carry no weight whatsoever.<br /><br />Suppose there are 10 players and 5 non-players.&nbsp; Suppose 7 of those players want franchising, and all of the non-players don&#039;t want franchising.&nbsp; In the discussion, this makes it look like the votes go 8-7 against franchising, so it is not instated.&nbsp; But 70% of the people who will actually be affected by the decision want franchising!&nbsp; It should absolutely be instated.&nbsp; If the non-players are just busy and planning on playing [i]next[/i] season, then we should get rid of franchising again when that time comes.<br /><br />&quot;But Fast/Jen/White are so smart/sexy/bi-winning.&quot;<br /><br />Yes, of course.&nbsp; I agree with this.&nbsp; They are great players with valuable input and deserve respect.&nbsp; In fact, I am one of two administrators who didn&#039;t want Jenova to be kicked out of #idlb when he entered for whatever reason (we&#039;ll never know what it is), and I feel the same way about Whiteboy who is currently there, and Fastidious if he ever entered the channel.<br /><br />Nevertheless, none of this changes the fact that they will be in no way affected by the decisions that they are weighing in on.&nbsp; It wouldn&#039;t matter if Obama, Benedict XVI, and Hasselhoff weighed in on what maps to include this season--if they are not going to play on the maps, they do not need to speak up.<br /><br />&quot;But Mikehail and Humanbones said they aren&#039;t going to play, and they are making decisions about this season!&quot;<br /><br />I couldn&#039;t have said it better myself.&nbsp; I can only hope that when they make their decisions, they are keeping in mind what the players would want, because that is the only thing that matters.<br /><br />