[quote author=mikefails link=topic=267.msg2413#msg2413 date=1283185632]<br />map04 is the grindiest crap ever. running on 2 guys with ssg spawns who are probably camping you in some form?[/quote]&nbsp; <br /><br />MAP04 can be bad I agree but it can also open up at times with chaos and it is possible to score there versus 2D.&nbsp; If it wasn&#039;t such a classic I&#039;d probably move it to the maybe pile.&nbsp; MAP01 just doesn&#039;t hold up as well even with it&#039;s legendary status.<br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=267.msg2413#msg2413 date=1283185632]Map08 is pretty grindy now too, as is any ctf map that a team wants to slow down, where you only have 1 pretty good offensive strat.[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s the real key, defense is just too strong now if teams play 2D or near it.&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote author=mikefails link=topic=267.msg2413#msg2413 date=1283185632]Oda02 is pretty good, it takes 2o to have a chance really and 07 is more of a sneak map than a power map.&nbsp; blah<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think ODA02 is a huge grind.&nbsp; Middle is a massive frag fest and the flag room is wide open to shots from middle too.&nbsp; SSG spawners usually cut down any enemy in the base as well.<br /><br />Here are some interesting stats I just compiled.&nbsp; Total capture percentage by season:<br /><br />W2007 293/1501 19.52%<br />S2007&nbsp; 649/4227 15.35%<br />W2008 545/4192 13.00%<br />W2009 532/3508 15.17%<br />S2009&nbsp; 406/2942 13.8%<br />W2010 406/3262 12.45%<br />S2010&nbsp; 420/3236 12.98%<br /><br />There is obviously a downward trend going on.&nbsp; Maps have a huge impact on these numbers.&nbsp; If we played a grinding low scoring map all season they might be as low as 0-5%.&nbsp; I think the maps this season might have been the most offensive leaning of any season, yet it still has the second lowest cap percentage ever.&nbsp; I think we need to select maps which encourage flag action.<br /><br />Ladna seemed to hint that fixing maps was a possibility in his post, any truth to this?&nbsp; I thought authors would sternly object to this even if it&#039;s a valid way to make their map IDL worthy.&nbsp; I think a lot of maps could easily be fixed with small changes but I&#039;m not sure of the feasibility or authors allowing it.&nbsp; A lot of maps have really bad spawns which put a guy right on your face in the flag room too much.<br /><br />Ladna do you dislike any map?&nbsp;  ???&nbsp; I don&#039;t mean to be a dick but I always have a hard time believing people&#039;s opinions on maps if they don&#039;t hate a map or two!