[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=762.msg7876#msg7876 date=1354752932]<br />I know I&#039;m apparently the only one that thinks this out loud but I&#039;m happy to see the players that seem to not have fun in the IDL over the past few seasons finally leave. I&#039;d much rather play and build up newer players than have to keep listening to the same blow hards or have people who start leaving mid season. I love having veteran players back but if they are going to be detrimental to the league by negatively affecting it through actions (signing up and not showing for your squad after two weeks, captaining a team and pretty much up and abandoning it a few weeks in, etc) then I&#039;d rather they just buzz off and enjoy their league retirement.<br /><br />As far as losing a lot of &quot;important&quot; players moving to Odamex, the only important player I really think that the community lost was Ladna who hadn&#039;t even really played in the league while it was on ZDaemon in the final seasons so it was more of a loss of a very intelligent, contributing community member rather than just another &quot;important&quot; player. Even then, Ladna definitely didn&#039;t want to play on ZDaemon either so I have to wonder exactly how important these other people truly were.<br /><br />It&#039;s ok for people that have been playing for years to leave and new people to get a chance to occupy roster spots and get their shot. Plenty of veterans who [i]actually want to play[/i] have returned this season along with many new signups. This is one of the most diverse IDL free agencies of all time in terms of geography and skill levels. I&#039;m excited for this season.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />@first paragraph:<br /><br />First of all, not having fun was only a part of the problem. I think the majority issue is that Odamex is too different than Zdaemon, which has been the select port of the IDL for [b]six years[/b]. I&#039;m sure these people who have been playing it for that amount of time simply don&#039;t want to re-learn a more buggy version of what they are used to playing.<br /><br />Secondly, as evident by this season&#039;s signups (or lack of signups), the number of players leaving outweighs the number of new players coming in. What did you think was going to happen when you try to shift a community of old players into a what feels to be completely different engine? Of course people are going to complain. Of course new players aren&#039;t going to complain, they&#039;ve never participated in a season before it was moved to Odamex, or participated in a casual way.<br /><br />You seem to be clumping a majority of old players with Hatred here for some reason. Yeah, he left mid season, so ban him from signing up? What kind of stupid logic is this?<br /><br />@second paragraph:<br /><br />Yes, Ladna was probably the only important player you guys have ever lost. That is why the signups this season are so bountiful that you&#039;ve had to extend the signup deadline and hardly managed to cover an 8 team roster (let alone a roster of 8 [b]good[/b] teams).<br /><br />@third paragraph:<br /><br />1. define veterans<br />2. define many new signups (lmao)<br />3. Now don&#039;t take this personally, because you always seem to, but I think that players want to participate in the IDL, just not in Odamex.