[quote]One of the things the current IDL seems to miss is the abundance of strong personalities. Sure, you have Ralph but then, well, you have Ralph - that&#039;s really it[/quote]<br />I&#039;ve actually been saying this to some people for quite some time. This is one of the reasons why I can&#039;t be arsed to play priv as much as I used to. With jackasses like nostar, Xen, and Jen no longer around, it seems that the days of jumping into priv with a bunch of personalities and good players talking crap to each other for hours are long gone. I&#039;m not implying that I don&#039;t want new people playing priv or anything, but rather, I&#039;m saying what gave me the drive to play top notch is longer there. Also don&#039;t count Ralph as a personality. :P<br /><br /><br />I agree with Chain regarding the nature of the league in its early days.&nbsp; Despite the fact that I first came into contact officially as a player with IDL was in 2010, I was around during the entire era of DX/UD/R/SIN/TC/RFA in the mid-late 00s. Lets be frank, back then we all hated one another for various reasons and even today, after 7+ years later, some of us still can&#039;t get along. Even when I joined in, I saw names around that made me turn red. But that bitterness and rivalry was one of the factors that led players of then to want to stomp on everyone else and prove who was the best. Take a look at what there is today. The only clans around from that time are UD and R and neither even plays the game much anymore.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think any current IDL player has the fire to crush newer people like Rude, Rossy or nubhat (tbf they are really cool and laid back guys) as opposed to people like Nostar, Fastidious, or Whiteboy. Unfortunately, that&#039;s what the situation is today. <br /><br />@Newer gen gamers<br /><br />I think most of use will agree on that point. Current gen players are less likely to want to put in effort to get good at games like Doom or Quake. &#039;If you don&#039;t get medals for camping, it isn&#039;t worth it!&#039;<br /><br />@Moving to Zandronum<br /><br />While this can arguably alleviate the problem with lack of signups/new players, I see it as being a long term solution. There is just too much a difference in the cultures of IDL and Zandronum. I touched upon this before, so I&#039;ll repost what I said:<br /><br />&#039;We are part of the same Doom community but there are underlying differences that prevent us from peacefully coexisting. The level of competitiveness and commitment between IDL (composed of players primarily from ZDaemon) and Zandronum is vastly different. All the crazy antics that take place regularly in ST/Zan (especially in the leagues and tournaments over there) don&#039;t fly around here (nor did they back on ZD). Fighting and trolling takes place on the servers and finishes on irc or occasionally the forums. Majority of the time it isn&#039;t even serious. From what I&#039;ve seen on Zan, these things become quite personal to the point where people&#039;s personal lives get involved and it gets dragged around where ever there&#039;s a chance for it to flourish.&#039; In fact, to some extend it&#039;s even encouraged by fellow players.<br /><br />Ultimately It&#039;s not an issue of port X or port Z. It&#039;s about 2 different worlds that clash when it comes to ideology. IDL on Zandronum is going to be vastly different than it was on ZDaemon and Oda. And the argument arises whether it&#039;s for better or worse. <br /><br />[quote]Insert Quote<br />Someone should ask the players who have decided to not play Odamex what they want, and consider giving them it if it helps bring back more skillful players.<br /><br />A list of what people want might show who we could get back and who is not worth getting back based on what they ask.[/quote]<br />Over the course of the past few months, I have approached several players and pitched them the question of what they didn&#039;t like in Oda. I got various answers and quite a bit of the issues are being addressed in .6.3. However, as of late, it seems that no matter what is given to some players, they still aren&#039;t happy and they will possibly remain outside of the IDL loop.<br /><br />[quote]Insert Quote<br />I think I need to really ask it, if you could go back to ZDaemon 1.08.08 with all of its weird map crash issues (&quot;PLEASE DONT VOTE MAP04 OH GOD&quot;) and desyncs and crap, would you?[/quote]<br />Only if IDL was played on Texas servers :)