[quote author=Hatred link=topic=442.msg4119#msg4119 date=1306646947]<br />I can say, in the very least, the trade restored some balance to the IDC. [/quote]<br /><br />It wasn&#039;t balanced. It was [b]unbalanced [/b]in your favor. Which I guess is a good thing for you but shitty for a team that legitimately drafted well and and did well.<br /><br />[quote]SUC literally ran through every team in the IDC that season and had that trade not happened, they would have walked into the masterbowl with no problems.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yep. And it&#039;s really sad that a dumb unfounded trade screwed Ralph out of a legit chance to win another Masterbowl. To be perfectly honest I think Ralph had a great map03 team and might have beaten BSK there. EBL was, no offense, too dumb to win that map. You can say the IDC was stale (it has been forever btw) but there is no rationale for that trade aside from you wanting to win, which you did not.<br /><br />[quote]Ask yourself this: did the trade not make for an intriguing IDC Conference Finals as well as an interesting MB match-up (at the time, it seemed to be but results sadly proved otherwise).[/quote] <br /><br />[quote]Honestly, even if SUC won the IDC, they would have been housed by BSK the same way we were.[/quote]<br /><br />If I wasn&#039;t clear before I don&#039;t agree with these statements at all.<br /><br />[quote]If you don&#039;t believe me then look no further than this last season where a MUCH better SUC team made it to the MB against a BSK team that wasn&#039;t as good and still lost 12-4 overall in flag counts.[/quote]<br /><br />This isn&#039;t analogous at all. With the exception of personnel (the captains and Rottking) nothing was the same; completely different maps, totally different roster dynamics and no real comparative strategies. Also, BSK was much stronger defensively with Dev/Rott than they were with Saber/Stall.<br /><br />[quote]It also gave Goatface the #1 overall pick that was so desired by a lot of people last season given the depth of the draft. It worked out for the best as Goat got a much better overall team with it. [/quote]<br /><br />This isn&#039;t at all what you posted on the forums when it happened, and actually my personal opinion is that Goat did get a better team, but not because of his #1 overall pick. He got it by trading that, which he could have done with picks 2-4 anyways.<br /><br />[size=1]For Reference:<br />[quote author=Hatred link=topic=347.msg3053#msg3053 date=1292561291]<br />Yeah contrary to what you all may think, I&#039;m pretty sure Goat is the one who initiated this trade. He was shopping around his first 2 picks to other captains because he didn&#039;t want to have a horrible pick for his 3rd. Granted, Dr_Noob wasn&#039;t bad but apparently there are reasons to as why he would be a shaky investment. Regardless, although I don&#039;t agree with the trade on the grounds that I don&#039;t believe it improved his team, I will say that he did what he thought was best for his team.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />And after saying all that I will add that I don&#039;t blame Hatred for wanting to be on a competitive team. It sucks when you lose every match week in and week out. This is one of the reasons that the franchise era tried to have the best players in IDL captain teams, and why 8 teams seemed most reasonable at that time. It&#039;s also the reason that when I play I try to get on competitive teams. I like to win. The reason I&#039;m chiming in so forcefully about this is because I don&#039;t think anyone should give rationale to trades where a first round player gets traded for an IDL free agent. I do think that something should be done so IDL doesn&#039;t have any winless teams (or even close to that). But this is one of the trades that really blemishes trading and should be looked at as an anomoly instead of justified as some balancing for the league or an old player&#039;s last hurrah. It was bad, it hurt the league and should be avoided, and possibly even punished in the future.