[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=762.msg7936#msg7936 date=1355701861]<br />Do you think the people who run the league want to play on an engine they are banned from? This is through multiple administrations too. Me, Ladna, Nostar, Bones, etc etc.<br />[/quote]<br />Part of the reason Nostar and Ladna quit playing was because of the move to odamex, they didn&#039;t seem terribly perturbed by playing on zdaemon as you suggest.&nbsp; In fact I don&#039;t think anybody really had a problem being banned and playing, most of the IDL players never played zdaemon much in a public setting regardless.&nbsp; I have no interest in playing on odamex either, trying to frame it out as a flawless part of the solution to a problem is just ud hype machine rollin on.<br /><br />[quote author=Kilgore link=topic=762.msg7936#msg7936 date=1355701861]<br />The people that run the league don&#039;t really have a responsibility to anybody, they do this for free. <br />[/quote]<br />This was particularly amusing because the league is nothing without the players.&nbsp; The reason the board exists is to act as representatives of the players and to guide decision making in their best interests (its also much more feasible than trying to collect a complete thought from simpletons like dawson, etc etc).&nbsp; Just because they &quot;do it for free&quot; hardly means that they are somehow above reproach from the community and are free to act however they like, see zdaemon.&nbsp; The board is supposed to exist as a connection to prevent that sort of isolationism from occurring, not to further divide the dwindling community.<br /><br />Doomer may have been slightly uninformed but he [b]is[/b] the new blood you are trying to cater to and he&#039;s hardly incorrect in pointing out that odamex isn&#039;t light years ahead of zdaemon as most of ud is interested in telling us it is.&nbsp; Many of the players to throw their weight behind the move later recanted their support because of problems or dislike experienced.&nbsp; Then you continue to tell everybody 0.62 is going to be flawless, even more flawless than 0.60, which was even more flawless than 0.5x, etc.&nbsp; On the other hand, drsean seems like a pretty competent individual and so long as he is heading the project I am sure it will continue to improve and hopefully become the port we all are looking for (unless eecs makes a run!).