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	(1117, 137, 11, 1253845658, 10, 1215, 'Winter 2010 Time Table', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1260356169, 'Ralphis', '[center]Winter 2010 Time Table<br />[b]SCHEDULE IS TENTATIVE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE[/b]<br /><br /><br />[b][u]PRE-SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />Sunday, November 1st, 2009<br />Release of 2010 IDL wad.<br /><br />Sunday, November 15th, 2009<br />Invites are posted;&nbsp; captains &amp; schedule are announced.<br /><br />Thursday, December 3rd, 2009<br />Invite list is solidified. All players must confirm by this date. <br /><br />Friday, December 4th, 2009<br />Captains may now franchise players.<br /><br />Sunday, December 13th, 2009<br />Franchising period ends.<br /><br />Tuesday, December 15th, 2009<br />IDL Winter 2010 Draft Live! on Unidoom Radio<br /><br />(IDL Summer 2009 All-Star Game)<br />8:00PM EST<br />(IDL Pre-Show Panel)<br />9:00PM EST<br />(IDL Winter 2010 Draft Selections)<br />10:00PM EST<br /><br />[b][u]REGULAR SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />Monday, January 4th, 2010<br />Week 1 of Regular Season Begins<br /><br />January 27th (Wednesday of Week 4) 11:59 PM<br />Trading is closed, Rosters are locked for season<br /><br />February 15-18th (Monday-Thursday Week 7)<br />Homefield selection will take place.<br /><br />[b][u]POST-SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />March 8-14, 2009<br />IDL Winter 2010 Wildcard Playoffs<br /><br />March 15-21<br />IDL Winter 2010 Conference Championships<br /><br />March 22-28<br />MasterBowl VII[/center]', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(9391, 947, 17, 1380661160, 2275, 9391, 'Re: I''m on top - A public calling to rap battle with Xenaero', 'Perrondon', 'pmcd_perrondon@hotmail.com', '189.211.113.237', 1, 0, '', 'i join to this competition GL <br />[url=https://soundcloud.com/edwart-zerme-o/rolf-original-mix]https://soundcloud.com/edwart-zerme-o/rolf-original-mix[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1635, 178, 11, 1268201792, 7, 1635, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.50.231.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />Lots of stuff<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think that almost all of these are great ideas, there&#039;s a couple I want to talk about though.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Teams with worst record given priority on selecting players from the reserves<br />[/quote]<br /><br />There are like 5 things you might be talking about, but just to avoid confusion:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]LordBritish was not formally part of the IDL, so no one could have pulled him out of free agency[/li]<br />[li]Cha0tix wasn&#039;t formally part of the franchising period, so no one could have franchised him[/li]<br />[li]Currently, trades are first-come, first-serve (I beat Nero for GaX last season, for instance)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />I&#039;m not saying you said these things, but I am saying I&#039;m confused by what you mean.&nbsp; At first I thought you meant like a more flexible MSD, where players who join after the deadline can just enter free agency whenever and we have like a running mini-draft throughout the season (up until what week?&nbsp; IDK).&nbsp; There&#039;s a lot of gaming that can go on with this type of system though ;) .&nbsp; And finally, we did away with MSD because it led to game throwing.&nbsp; Yeah we can punish it (and do), but it&#039;s better for everyone if it doesn&#039;t happen in the first place.<br /><br />Do you mean that EBL should have had first crack at LB?&nbsp; I think their record was pretty similar to DMR when we put LB on DMR (DMR might&#039;ve been a 1/2 game ahead).&nbsp; IDK I guess I agree in any case.&nbsp; It&#039;s probably better to have a rule about it so we can avoid favoritism and politics accusations.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Remove player bans in the future unless someone cheats or does other major disruptive behavior<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is the current policy, unless you think some of our suspendable/ejectable offenses don&#039;t warrant it (3rd demo infraction, cheating, etc.).&nbsp; Really we rarely enforce demo infractions anyway, so I don&#039;t know if those count or not.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Six week regular season with no BYE week<br />-Six teams make playoffs, three from each division<br />[/quote]<br /><br />So only 6 games?&nbsp; I think that between this and 10-12 teams, the math works out so that we have to have some pretty shitty tiebreaking rules to decide who makes it into playoffs or not.&nbsp; I&#039;m generally in favor of a shorter season, and personally don&#039;t mind playing multiple games in a week, but I also want to play everyone at least once.&nbsp; I&#039;ve no idea if that&#039;s possible but I&#039;m pretty interested in figuring something out.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Schedule is broken up into two week chunks with two specific matches due by the end of each two weeks<br />-Teams can play matches earlier than the schedule if they want<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I also get upset by scheduling rigidity, but I&#039;ve been on both sides of it and after I&#039;m done being pissed, I think I want close-to-set-in-stone scheduling.&nbsp; I think that playing earlier is no problem, I mean there&#039;s rarely any problem with anything as long as teams agree :D .&nbsp; IDK scheduling is one of the gayer aspects of IDL, and even though the system we have now is 100000x better than the one we used to have, there&#039;s still some gayness.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Player voted map list before the season starts.&nbsp; People would post suggestions on the forum and we&#039;d all get together and play test maps.&nbsp; After that goes on a for a while we hold a big vote and the top 32 make it in the IDL wad.&nbsp; Top five vote getting maps are used in playoffs.&nbsp; If people don&#039;t want to participate then their loss.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This could be a lot of fun, especially playtesting.&nbsp; But it&#039;s an enormous amount of organization and work, especially for Ralphis (or whoever compiles the WAD).&nbsp; It&#039;s actually so much work that Ralphis only does it once a year, and hates it the whole time.&nbsp; IDK about anything mapping-wise, but unless someone volunteers to do the work I don&#039;t see it happening.&nbsp; It could also lead to a big bitchfest about what maps are chosen.&nbsp; Like let&#039;s assume the following:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Nostar has friends[/li]<br />[li]Nostar gets those friends to all vote only for maps that he is great at[/li]<br />[li]3/5 maps used for the season are maps that Nostar is great at (call it THIRTY431, MAP08 and MAP07)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />What I guess I mean is it opens IDL up to the same kind of criticisms that ZDDL gets every year:<br /><br />[quote]ZDDL is just a bunch of the maps that JKist3 can beat everybody else&#039;s ass at.[/quote]<br /><br />Nevermind that the duel maps chosen are basically staples from 1973, and the community even picks one each year.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Teams must pick a different map each week, so once you use a map it&#039;s gone for your team.&nbsp; Playoff maps can be used in the regular season<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re probably trying to avoid letting players like Nostar pick MAP08 all the time, but I still think it&#039;s too extreme.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather put a limit on how many times you can pick a given map, say 3 or 4.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-No 1v1, 2v1, 2v2, 3v2, 4v3, etc.&nbsp; All matches played 3v3 or 4v4, 4v4 only if both teams agree.&nbsp; If you can&#039;t get three to a scheduled match your team forfeits<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m against implementing 4v4 this way for a couple reasons.&nbsp; One, I&#039;m against mixing formats; IDL is either all 3v3 or all 4v4 IMO, mixing things like that is too SICL-like (synonym for unprofessional :) ).&nbsp; It also makes captains who have weak 4ths they never want to play look like douchebags, because they&#039;re not just preventing 1 player from playing, they&#039;re preventing 2.&nbsp; Captains rarely want to look like douchebags, so this will end up switching IDL to 4v4 more often than not, or in captains telling their 4th to go AFK... which is gay anyway.&nbsp; I know it&#039;s not like IDL has been hardcore &quot;3v3 do or die!&quot; because we&#039;ve had 1v1, 2v1, 2v2 and 3v2 for so long, but I think those games blow also.&nbsp; Also, practicing for either 3v3 or 4v4 is shitty.&nbsp; At least in 2v2 the &quot;do whatever it takes to win&quot; strategy works, doing that in a 4v4 will get you rolled.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Captains selected by player vote, if you sign up you agree to captain should the players vote you into that role<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I miss signing up and volunteering to be a captain (ah, the days when my beloved Goatface was stepping to the plate).&nbsp; I like captain sign-ups and I don&#039;t hate them being selected by player vote.&nbsp; I mean I think we&#039;ve done a remarkably good job getting solid and skilled captains to sign up as such, but even so we&#039;ve had a number of them quit, some due to circumstances beyond anyone&#039;s control, so I guess I&#039;m resigned to the fact that we&#039;ll have a certain amount of captain attrition anyway, and player voting wouldn&#039;t make that worse.&nbsp; It would also help to ensure that captains are reasonably popular, which is sometimes an issue (Ladna comes to mind...).<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Multiple servers selection teams/players submit their average pings at the start of the season and these are used in general for selection.&nbsp; Only in cases where there is a drop in connection quality to a certain server would they be ignored.&nbsp; Teams should not be arguing or jumping back and forth between servers.&nbsp; When the schedule is set the server should be select as well.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is an entire debate in and of itself.&nbsp; I agree server jumping is gay, and don&#039;t want to allow it.&nbsp; I also don&#039;t hate average pings determining what server is played, but I think that:<br /><br />[b][color=red][size=5]PING != CONNECTION QUALITY[/size][/color][/b]<br /><br />will be screamed at us in the administration several thousand times.&nbsp; Like Mantis-X pings a 60 to TT, but he&#039;d rather play on Horizon (so I hear anyway heh :) ).&nbsp; Plus if we&#039;re going to start making exceptions for &quot;I&#039;m pinging real shitty to TT, but I&#039;m fine on RN&quot;, then we&#039;re just opening ourselves up for gaming.&nbsp; Right now there&#039;s no such thing as a server dispute; TT is the default unless captains both agree otherwise, and there&#039;s no allowance for a player pinging out.&nbsp; I agree that this is EXTREMELY GAY.&nbsp; But I am adamant that there&#039;s nothing we can do about it that doesn&#039;t allow more ridiculous gaming.&nbsp; If I never want to play on (a theoretical) RN, I&#039;ll just load uTorrent and start it up whenever I join RN, EZ.&nbsp; Basically what I&#039;m saying is that I don&#039;t want to open a huge can of server wars, and I think the current rules are the best we can do.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />Somethings I didn&#039;t touch on were:<br /><br />-How to schedule.&nbsp; I&#039;d like it to be an automated web form if teams or the league are having difficulty with it but who knows if that is possible.&nbsp; With a two week window and the possibility of playing matches early there should be a lot more flexibility<br />[/quote]<br /><br />A web form is certainly possible and really easy.&nbsp; What I was thinking of doing (pending board approval of course, like all things) would be to setup a week view where you can set specific times you&#039;re unavailable.&nbsp; I think setting the default to &quot;available&quot;, and having players poke times out of the week (like I personally hate playing on Fridays, or whatever) is the best way to do it.&nbsp; This form would reset at the end of every week.&nbsp; This way, it&#039;s totally the players&#039; fault if they don&#039;t black out their unavailable times, and it might save captains and the administration some nagging.<br /><br />Awesome ideas though.&nbsp; Maybe we should make the board bigger or something!<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7306, 715, 17, 1345334426, 2194, 7306, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Reverse', 'Kirboy02@hotmail.com', '96.20.63.34', 1, 0, '', '<br />[quote]It&#039;s good to see someone else agrees that Strangle is a troll. That works in Skulltag, not in IDL. Little boys inhabit Skulltag. Grown men inhabit IDL, little nublet. : )<br />[/quote]<br /><br />noob plays aow2 and says skulltag suks wtf man<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7589, 136, 1, 1348382793, 19, 7589, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', 'next season takes place on a new engine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnTludRdZDw', 'xx', 1);
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	(8574, 846, 29, 1361933282, 214, 8574, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.23.133', 1, 0, '', 'All tournament spots have been filled. I&#039;ll post up the brackets in a few days.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1375, 161, 11, 1263233057, 22, 1375, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', '[b]Spread Eagles v Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />unimportant<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders v Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />Ok so last week DMR pretty much got written off, and according to the stats DMR was dominant behind Doomguy666&#039;s 5 flag caps. But in reality that game was horrible, Collision no showed and EBL team captain Xenaero timed out every 3 minutes. On the other hand, SUC earned a victory against a tough FLS squad. That being said, SUC is too much for DMR to handle. <br />[b]SUC 2-0 DMR[/b]<br /><br />[b]Flag Steelers vs Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />KGB is one of the of the best teams in the league right now, and they will continue to be so, but FLS also has the potential to be a contender. After last week&#039;s loss to SUC, perhaps it is time to see the birth of the gyross, god of destruction. Whiteboy, you gotta D buddy, theres no hiding from this fact. Saber or Ladna (depending who plays) can play similar position so there doesnt seem to be any difference between the two. To counter the birth of gyross, KGB will counter with the release of the mike, an exceptional runner as well. With O and D covered well by both teams, the team with better coverage will be the winner, look for FLS to bounce back from a disappointing week 1, but ultimately i see KGB taking this<br />[b]KGB 2-1 FLS in a 3-round spectacular[/b]<br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />EBL is coming off a disappointing loss to the team written off by everybody. Look for a bounce back (given Collision shows up). However, BBC are packed with fraggers, led by Stallion &amp; Rottking. I believe this game will be, and be decided in a frag fest. I know mantis has been having trouble with the servers as of late, but I think I might give the edge to BBC here, another 3-rounder!<br />[b]BBC 2-1 EBL[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1400, 161, 11, 1263772044, 75, 1400, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', 'a last minute prediction: the door is gonna school fls like a bunch of hippies with bead curtains', 'xx', 1);
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	(1252, 147, 11, 1260589380, 10, 1252, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]Personally the IDL goal as I said should be 12 teams and player base growth.&nbsp; Do everyone realize how short the league is on players now?&nbsp; If you take away the European players we have a surplus of one fucking player.&nbsp; Why is the IDL so fucking exclusive now?[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t feel like this is because of invite lists but rather a changing in the guard of community leaders, and I&#039;m not talking about board members in this instance. When IDL had its most player sign ups in 2008, I would attribute most of this to vigorous campaigning by the likes of you and, especially Chaindude, in various parts of the community. We now have top players and people that carry clout that, instead of encouraging new players to join our community, berate new players in priv, refuse to let them play, ban them, and humiliate them in front of everybody they possibly can. <br /><br />These types of attitudes are not helpful when you&#039;re trying to bring new players in. You can say they need to get thicker skin, but if you&#039;re one of the people doing this, maybe you just need to [i]stop being an asshole[/i].&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]In past seasons we had a larger community, no fucking invite lists, and no fucking suspended players list.&nbsp; We should be inclusive!&nbsp; Are we trying to rival the ZDaemon mentality with banning people or what?&nbsp; If you don&#039;t give people a chance they won&#039;t be able to disappoint you this is true, but they also won&#039;t be able to surprise you.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]I got fed up last time I tried to help with the IDL because no one(OK mainly Ralphis) wanted to try anything different.&nbsp; What the IDL is doing is what it has been doing since the beginning more or less.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather the IDL take some risks and try to get some more players SOMEHOW.&nbsp; If it blows up in our faces, then we just go back to the traditional IDL format.[/quote]<br /><br />What type of risks do you suggest we take? Instead of complaining that we don&#039;t take enough risks, tell us what type of risks you would take to get the league back to [b]12 competitive teams[/b]. I, and I assume quite a few others, are interested in hearing your thoughts on the subject.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1251#msg1251 date=1260588493]The ZDDL has ~57 players which is quite a bit more than the IDL now. The ZDDL is inclusive and lets anyone sign up.&nbsp; Instead of arguing over petty bullshit we should be asking ourselves why the league is shrinking each season.[/quote]<br /><br />The ZDDL is also plagued with inactivity, players openly not wanting to play their games or care, and corruption arguably far worse than anything the IDL has. They even let people alias in their league. You think we&#039;ve got problems?<br /><br />Oh, did I mention that this past season, the [url=http://www.cdevastation.com/zddl/index.php?league=1&amp;season=10&amp;op=lstats]ZDDL had a 35% forfeiture rate on their games[/url]? That&#039;s over 1/3 in games not played, and that league only requires two people to get together for a game, not six. Let me push my point even further, that&#039;s [b]195 of 557 games that did not get played[/b]. <br /><br />The IDL may have issues, but to point to another league that is clearly not even in the same realm as the IDL when it comes to player management is absurd.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1216, 148, 11, 1260356276, 10, 1274, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1260778567, 'Ladna', 'SPE, EBL, BBC, SUC, and BSK have all franchised players to their clubs', 'xx', 1);
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	(1217, 147, 11, 1260380238, 130, 1217, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', '18:55 &lt;Ralphis&gt; spe denny is gonna take bones then whiteboy<br />18:55 &lt;Ralphis&gt; because fls made playoffs<br />18:55 &lt;Ralphis&gt; (without winning a game)<br />18:55 &lt;Nostar&gt; yeah i don&#039;t understand that<br />18:55 &lt;Ralphis&gt; wait maybe<br />18:55 &lt;Ralphis&gt; actually you&#039;re right i think<br />18:55 &lt;Ralphis&gt; i dont know i keep forgetting<br />...<br />18:56 &lt;Nostar&gt; but we&#039;ll see<br />18:56 &lt;Ralphis&gt; i figured you were gonna go with ladna anyway<br />18:56 &lt;Nostar&gt; that would prolly be the only reason i&#039;d play<br />18:56 &lt;Ralphis&gt; but regardless<br />18:56 &lt;Ralphis&gt; gonna do my best to keep suc undefeated<br />18:56 &lt;Nostar&gt; woo<br />18:56 &lt;Nostar&gt; 2 seasons and running<br />...<br />18:57 &lt;Ralphis&gt; spe is gonna be the big guns<br />18:57 &lt;Nostar&gt; i don&#039;t see how denny can get white and bones<br />18:57 &lt;Ralphis&gt; he has spe<br />18:57 &lt;Nostar&gt; wouldn&#039;t someone just not frnchise and pick one of them?<br />18:57 &lt;Ralphis&gt; oh right man<br />18:57 &lt;Ralphis&gt; i keep forgetting everything<br />18:57 &lt;Nostar&gt; SPE picks second<br />18:58 &lt;Ralphis&gt; no spe is first <br />18:58 &lt;Ralphis&gt; oh i see what you&#039;re saying<br />18:58 &lt;Ralphis&gt; nvm my mind isnt here tonight obviously<br />18:58 &lt;Ralphis&gt; im v scatterbrained<br />18:58 &lt;Ralphis&gt; this fucking wad is pissing me off to no end<br />---------------------------------------------------------<br /><br />This log is from the 29th of October, after captains were decided. I had mentioned this to not only Ralphis but Bones when we were talking about being on the same team and miek a number of times (god I hope I don&#039;t have to look through #boof logs). This isn&#039;t a fucking secret. Something occurred to bring about a change in this rule AFTER CAPTAINS WERE PICKED. <br /><br />So here is how this rule should work (as not to seem like any new captains are receiving punishment.)<br /><br />1.) A captain throws (or forfeits) a game.<br />2.) At the end of the season that teams drops a draft position from where ever their record indicates they would be drafting.<br />3.) The draft order is solidified.<br />4.) New captains sign-up for the open captain slots (and their corresponding draft positions.)<br /><br />It&#039;s fine if bones&#039; wants to produce logs to further his team, I understand that. But really this is lame. Unless Ladna made some oversight, which logs will show, FLS should have first pick. As it stands we need to see these logs.<br /><br />INSERT BONER', 'xx', 1);
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	(1218, 147, 11, 1260381031, 22, 1218, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', '18:57 &lt;Nostar&gt; wouldn&#039;t someone just not frnchise and pick one of them?<br />18:57 &lt;Ralphis&gt; oh right man<br />18:57 &lt;Ralphis&gt; i keep forgetting everything<br />18:57 &lt;Nostar&gt; SPE picks second<br />18:58 &lt;Ralphis&gt; no spe is first<br />18:58 &lt;Ralphis&gt; oh i see what you&#039;re saying<br /><br />from what that log showed, isnt it saying the i have first pick, but in the case that somebody doesnt franchise, then i have second because that team would go before me? ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6294, 614, 20, 1330133379, 37, 6294, 'Re: Week 8 (FEB 20 - FEB 26) : ZDCTF09 (MAP09) - Discussion and Results', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '98.209.167.80', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/soon-cat-parrot.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1219, 146, 11, 1260383329, 0, 1219, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Fastidious', '', '99.141.223.103', 1, 0, '', 'I would try this but the guides don&#039;t include Win 7 info.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1278, 152, 3, 1260850667, 19, 1278, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', '[b]Priv[/b]ileged', 'xx', 1);
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	(1292, 141, 11, 1260976245, 10, 1292, 'Re: ALERT: OFFICIAL W2010 SCHEDULE RELEASE', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'One spot lighted game each week will be streamed', 'xx', 1);
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	(1401, 157, 11, 1263775048, 35, 1405, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 1263780177, 'Whiteboy567', 'DEMO:http://www.sendspace.com/file/1tqcsh<br /><br />[b][u]EDIT FOR ALL THE DUMB KIDS OUT THERE, THIS IS MY WEEK 1 DEMO THAT RALPHIS KEPT PESTERING ME TO UPLOAD. SO SUCK MY COCK YOU ZULU SICKLE CELL FAGGOTS![/u][/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1634, 183, 1, 1268166969, 2, 1634, 'Re: Heroes and Veterans...', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.46.242', 1, 0, '', 'i r teh greetest!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1770, 199, 12, 1272915924, 102, 1770, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'FireDragon', 'greenthedragon@hotmail.com', '74.161.99.156', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Rawr<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: greenthedragon@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: greenthedragon@hotmail.com (MSN)<br />Regular Availability: 6PM onwards <br /><br />Will be busy from june 26 - july 28 due to a vacation to Europe.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1376, 161, 11, 1263234497, 0, 1376, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Fastidious', '', '76.224.120.178', 1, 0, '', 'Pretty much no prediction was spot on in the first week but I&#039;m sure that won&#039;t stop us experts from getting the rest of the season correct!&nbsp;  ::)&nbsp; Predicting ties is no fun, and EBL vs DMR was a bit of a disaster...<br /><br />[b]SPE vs. BSK div[/b]<br /><br />This is an interest matchup, a super power vs what appears to be a weaker IDL team.&nbsp; BSK has shown however they can win even if out fragged by a fair margin.&nbsp; They were out fragged 75% to 131% in round two last week but only lost by one flag, that&#039;s pretty impressive.&nbsp; SPE will out frag BSK, that is a given, what the question is will BSK be able to still win?&nbsp; I&#039;m going to predict a bit of an upset here because I think BSK has better runners suited to this map.&nbsp; SPE is more of a straight forward team where as this map requires guile.&nbsp; I think either Rose or Shak can get the job done in the running department spamming rockets behind them as they leave.&nbsp; SPE will still frag enough to stop a total loss however.&nbsp; I suspect MB will start again despite Goatface playing quite well and even getting the first SPE capture last week.<br /><br />[i]Ties 1-1-1[/i]<br /><br />[b]FLS vs. KGB[/b]<br /><br />I was really impressed by FLS last week they put up a really hard fight and despite SUC having more captures in the second round I never felt like FLS cracked as a team.&nbsp; That&#039;s a good sign, so again as they take on one of the stronger IDL teams they will need that same spirit to fight all match.&nbsp; FLS problem is the classic Whiteboy conundrum, if White plays D he doesn&#039;t play O and vice versa.&nbsp; Can anyone on FLS step up to fill the position White isn&#039;t at?&nbsp; Will Gyrossman show us some effective EU O here?<br /><br />KGB didn&#039;t start mike last match so I assume he&#039;ll play this one.&nbsp; KGB played a stellar first match but I feel they made a huge mistake not reinforcing D after their first round capture, they might have won if they had done so.&nbsp; KGB is too stacked to lose vs FLS unless FLS can fix their Whiteboy conundrum.<br /><br />[i]KGB 2-0[/i]<br /><br />[b]BBC vs. EBL[/b]<br /><br />EBL seems like the worst IDL team thus far.&nbsp; No other team had such a debacle happen in the opening week.&nbsp; That makes for a bad precedent on what might follow.&nbsp; Assuming they have good connections(seems unlikely given 3/4 of their squad had problems last week) and assuming they have their starters all show up I still favor BBC.&nbsp; EBL has had a low turnout in practice which is the opposite of BBC.&nbsp; I suspect those trends will continue this week.&nbsp; BBC played tough and smart last week, Rottking might even be on his way to breaking the curse.&nbsp; The worst franchise also made a few captures somehow.&nbsp; BBC doesn&#039;t need to be good they just need to be better than EBL, given what happened the first week that doesn&#039;t seem too hard.&nbsp; Legion can&#039;t save EBL alone!<br /><br />[i]BBC 2-0[/i]<br /><br />[b]DMR vs. SUC div[/b]<br /><br />No comment!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1640, 178, 11, 1268250343, 19, 1640, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.247.158', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/100310/1268250261.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8398, 827, 17, 1360880828, 214, 8398, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.24.223', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m not mad at all, I&#039;m simply amused at how you&#039;re trying to weasel your way out of this and making seem like you&#039;re the victim of the mean old Doom Community. Regardless you&#039;re on the same level as ten.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7060, 687, 22, 1340204119, 267, 7060, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.135.79.222', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=686.msg7056#msg7056 date=1340164607]<br />[b]Berserker Packers[/b]<br />Traded Capodecima to Free Agency in exchange for GaX (Pre-Season)<br />[/quote]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/gRkaq.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1414, 162, 11, 1263933248, 130, 1414, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '24.172.170.118', 1, 0, '', 'I feel like I rocked last week&#039;s predictions.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=161.msg1381#msg1381 date=1263336720]<br />MB i underestimated how fucking dumb you are<br /><br />BSK 50 - 0 SPE<br /><br />go shak!!!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs. Flag Steelers (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />Last week wasn&#039;t an upset imo. FLS had the stuff and Ladna is a good cap. However this is a map where white might actually have to play diligent defense. Gyross should be able to run pretty well but I feel like Ladna would be smart to play dual-runners and white on conservative D. My instinct tells me BBC is going to try to frag their way through a map that is mostly about movement and timing...and I hope that goes well for them, but it won&#039;t<br /><br />[i]FLS 2-1[/i]<br /><br />[b]Killing Browns vs. Electric Bills (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />EBL is a travesty. Somehow Xen has managed to out suck DG&#039;s draft picks with his badness and lack of captaining. I&#039;m calling KGB without a fuss.<br /><br />[i]KGB 2-0[/i]<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders vs. Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />For the record I never considered BSK a weak team. I mean this team is 2/3 of the 1st Masterbowl team and has to date not lost a match. Assuming that BSK doesn&#039;t suddenly have mysterious connection problems I see them winning it. Also I wanna throw another bash at Dragan. You suck and I would like you to play more so I can cite references in my next prediction.<br /><br />[i]BSK 2-1[/i]<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers vs. Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />Hurr. Denny sux and MB is gay. Bones I like tho. Let&#039;s go SUCers!<br /><br />[i]SUC 1000-0[/i]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1221, 147, 11, 1260393755, 10, 1221, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1220#msg1220 date=1260383528]<br />I appreciate the statistics Ralph but my main point is the fact the very top players are favored much more so in the franchise system.&nbsp; Almost by default the league is going to end up with the distribution you posted but I&#039;m impressed how good it actually was.&nbsp; I figured it wouldn&#039;t be quite so clean.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is all subjective however when it comes to the &quot;top players&quot;. If you look at the past two seasons, you can see multiple teams that overcame general consensus OR ones which fell short of their hype driven by their peers:<br /><br />Fell Short: Doom Raiders W2009 - Had four top level players in Chain, Fast, Whiteboy, Shakal. Odds on favorite by most to win the entire league.<br /><br />Fell Short: Berserker Packers W2009 - Dominated the WDC all season, fell short in the playoffs on homefield to statistical underdog FLS, a team which they had already beaten in the regular season.<br /><br />Surprise!: Electric Bills S2009 - Rag tag unit of Xenaero, Sabertooth, and Collision. Most people predicted them to not do well, including myself incorrectly placing them at #8 overall by the end of the season. They placed #3 overall in the league by week 9.<br /><br />Surprise!: Brokeback Cowboys S2009 - A solid unit, but certainly not one many would&#039;ve tagged as being the team that would progress to the title game (to ultimately lose to the Super Chargers by only one flag in one of the greatest IDL games of all time).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />What does this mean? Nothing at all really. Quite frankly Fastidious, you could be correct that the franchise system is bad for the IDL. [i]However[/i], the franchise system was designed to be a long term way of doing things rather than the short term. Only this season are we seeing some rules designed to support the long term life of the league take effect.<br /><br />Ultimately, to truly know if the franchise system is a success or not, I feel that it&#039;s worth running at least two more full seasons. If, at that point, it appears that the franchise system has done nothing to help the competitive nature of the league and to assert balance, then it may be time to go in a new direction.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1222, 147, 11, 1260394300, 10, 1222, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Nostar, nowhere in your logs do I see anything that supports that I believed FLS had first pick by the 29th of October. Was I acting retarded that night? Likely, it appears as if I wasn&#039;t all there. Even then, I don&#039;t see anything I said that supports another thought that evening.<br /><br />There is not some elaborate design here to screw Ladna or FLS and, quite frankly, it appears as though you&#039;re just attempting to grasp for straws at this point to rile up some type of conspiracy theory.<br /><br />Was/Is this some type of raw deal for Ladna brought about by a pretty critical error in communication? Yes, definitely. This situation is unfair to everybody that has a vested interest in the matter. <br /><br />Errors of this magnitude which occur internally within the walls that run the league negatively impact the integrity of the IDL! I have found no easy solution to make everybody happy here, so I had to rule on any of the facts that I could get my hands on. Mind you, it took me a few days to come to the final ruling.<br /><br />This entire scenario has been inexcusable and pathetic, one of which a similar nature will likely not occur again.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1402, 161, 11, 1263777989, 38, 1402, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.41.82', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.sendspace.com/file/8mt0vr<br /><br />There is me demo Ladna <br /><br />1-3 5-1 4-1&nbsp; GGs KGB ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1449, 164, 11, 1264395066, 19, 1458, 'Re: Week 4 (Jan 25 - Jan 31) : THIRTY417 (MAP17) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 1264538482, 'Xenaero', '[center][b][size=16pt][color=#000000]B[/color][color=#0b0101]e[/color][color=#160202]r[/color][color=#210404]s[/color][color=#2c0505]e[/color][color=#380606]r[/color][color=#430707]k[/color][color=#4e0808]e[/color][color=#590909]r[/color] [color=#6f0c0c]P[/color][color=#7a0d0d]a[/color][color=#850e0e]c[/color][color=#910f0f]k[/color][color=#9c1010]e[/color][color=#a71212]r[/color][color=#b21313]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#663311]K[/color][color=#6f3912]i[/color][color=#773e13]l[/color][color=#804414]l[/color][color=#894915]i[/color][color=#924f16]n[/color][color=#9a5417]g[/color] [color=#ac5f1a]B[/color][color=#b4651b]r[/color][color=#bd6a1c]o[/color][color=#c6701d]w[/color][color=#cf751e]n[/color][color=#d77b1f]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BSK[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]KGB[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />We saw a victory from KGB last week, and a tie between BSK and DMR (a close one at that!), which can only mean one thing: KGB is statistically the underdog. BSK has one win and two ties, while KGB has one win, one tie and one loss. Should the browns be afraid? I think so, due to the map&#039;s nature, you [b]need[/b] a good runner, and BSK is full of them. There&#039;s also so many routes for the defenders and interceptors of the other team to run and return the flag at the last moment. I&#039;ve seen a couple botched &#039;stair jumps&#039; that have led to disaster for the practicing team already. However I think this map is what mike excels at. Dev doesn&#039;t seem to have much knowledge of this map so KGB needs to practice as a unit to have a fighting chance against the Packers. I think it&#039;ll be a close game, but as it stands, the Berserker Packers have the advantage.<br />[center][b]BSK 2-1 KGB[/b][/center]<br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#c09807]E[/color][color=#b28d07]l[/color][color=#a58206]e[/color][color=#977706]c[/color][color=#896d05]t[/color][color=#7b6205]r[/color][color=#6e5704]i[/color][color=#604c04]c[/color] [color=#453603]B[/color][color=#372b02]i[/color][color=#292102]l[/color][color=#1b1601]l[/color][color=#0e0b01]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#c00907]F[/color][color=#b10a19]l[/color][color=#a20c2c]a[/color][color=#940d3e]g[/color] [color=#761063]S[/color][color=#671275]t[/color][color=#591387]e[/color][color=#4a1599]e[/color][color=#3b16ac]l[/color][color=#2c18be]e[/color][color=#1e19d0]r[/color][color=#0f1be3]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]EBL[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]FLS[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />Welp. EBL is I think...Again, the last team to attempt to secure a victory in the league. Although I am glad I actually have a functioning team now. Sometimes picking up the same people that helped get you as far as the Conference Championships isn&#039;t the best move. Thus, EBL&#039;s outlook has changed. Three losses and zero everything else. Strangle has proven very effective to my personal playstyle, as anyone who watched the KGB game saw, we came pretty close to mounting a victory march. Not bad for a team using its new member less than 24 hours after the fact. The Steelers are going to be difficult to defeat, I expect Gyross to run, Saber to support and White to defend. While Gyross and Saber get in the defense&#039;s face I assume White will move up to spawncamp the SSG, ensuring a run and possibly a back to back score. It&#039;s going to be difficult, however this is my franchise&#039;s map! I&#039;m optimistic for a come from behind victory.<br />[center][b]EBL ?-? FLS[/b][/center]<br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=16pt][color=#c00709]B[/color][color=#bf280b]r[/color][color=#bf490d]o[/color][color=#be6a10]k[/color][color=#be8b12]e[/color][color=#c0a907]b[/color][color=#9bae0a]a[/color][color=#76b30e]c[/color][color=#50b811]k[/color] [color=#07c011]C[/color][color=#0b8c4a]o[/color][color=#105884]w[/color][color=#070cc0]b[/color][color=#350ebd]o[/color][color=#6210ba]y[/color][color=#9012b7]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#0744c0]S[/color][color=#0849c0]u[/color][color=#094fc0]p[/color][color=#0a54bf]e[/color][color=#0b59bf]r[/color] [color=#0d64bf]C[/color][color=#0e6abf]h[/color][color=#0e6fbe]a[/color][color=#0f74be]r[/color][color=#107abe]g[/color][color=#117fbe]e[/color][color=#1284bd]r[/color][color=#138abd]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BBC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]SUC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />The streak is over! The streak is over! The streak is over! The streak is over! The streak is over! The streak is over! The streak is over! But I think they&#039;re going to start a new streak. One thing that&#039;s devious about Ralph&#039;s running ability is he cuts corners like a motherfucker. If you got someone in mid or have [b]the chaingun[/b] that&#039;s about the only way you can stop him, and even then you have to deal with Fastidious or Nostar getting in your face while you gun him down. It&#039;s annoying to say the least. As much as I want to call this on in BBC&#039;s favor, I don&#039;t see a whole lot of offensive might that can definitely bring flags back here in comparison to the Chargers. Maybe The Worst Franchise will surprise me, but I predict this to be a blowout, following SUC&#039;s crushing defeat; they&#039;ll be out for blood now.<br />[center][b]BBC 0-2 SUC[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2525, 273, 1, 1284262208, 2, 2525, 'Re: International Quitters League', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.37.163', 1, 0, '', 'shak too dum to see general so here we go<br /><br />[center][img]http://cdn0.sbnation.com/imported_assets/501804/1262147-haters_gonna_hate_super.jpg[/img][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6295, 614, 20, 1330134100, 20, 6295, 'Re: Week 8 (FEB 20 - FEB 26) : ZDCTF09 (MAP09) - Discussion and Results', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '24.88.122.148', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://cdn.smosh.com/sites/default/files/bloguploads/haters-mermaid.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6611, 636, 20, 1333311892, 163, 6611, 'Re: Season 11 / Winter 2012 - MASTERBOWL XI - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.50.8.112', 1, 1333317281, 'dew', 'i suck mexican cock. Now sieg-fucking-heil. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7307, 715, 17, 1345336335, 19, 7307, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mobius link=topic=715.msg7303#msg7303 date=1345334249]All those people you posted as examples are notorious boarderline personality disorder patience.[/quote]<br /><br />take it from me<br /><br />sometimes when you&#039;re really upset and trying to make a point it can help to take a big deep breath and go take a walk before you put virtual words on your virtual window to make a virtual argument, it also helps your spelling too!!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1438, 161, 11, 1264318605, 160, 1438, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.103.176', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20520983/IDL_Week_2_chow.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1788, 207, 26, 1273622214, 7, 1788, 'Re: Franchise Era discussion', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.174', 1, 0, '', 'Ralph, you are a fuckin monster.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1223, 144, 11, 1260401399, 17, 1223, 'Re: Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Discussion', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '24.15.219.212', 1, 1260402715, 'MionicDonut', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=144.msg1192#msg1192 date=1260116466]<br />[quote author=MionicDonut link=topic=144.msg1190#msg1190 date=1260080940]<br />Oh gee, DMR has third pick now.&nbsp; <br />[gay image]<br />But seriously, if that rule is in affect, why isnt SPE dropped a slot too?&nbsp; they forfeited a match somewhere in the middle of last year did they not?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />**effect<br /><br />In my more fiery days I would just remove your post, delete you as a member and forget you ever existed. However, recently I&#039;ve come to enjoy your brand of impotent wisdom. Those moments when you pop in to say something snide and less than clever. It makes me realize where you fit into our community, and that makes me smile a little.<br /><br />I will say this though. Every now and again you should post something remotely worthwhile, predictions or something at least. Under no circumstances should you ever try to employ your sense of humor. It&#039;s really just terrible. <br /><br />I look forward to a lengthy post from you in the future!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oh wow, The guy with whom I share a mutual hatred with has something mean and nasty to say about me because I made a valid point that goes against his agenda. [/vent]<br /><br />That said, I did step over the line on that last post at a point, as I also noticed that DMR didn&#039;t forfeit their week 9 game, but not having read the rules in several months, mistook that the two loser teams (SPE and whichever one I was on) always gets slots one and two.&nbsp; Turns out it was record.&nbsp; That just goes as a whoops for me.<br /><br />I apologize to everybody else if i caused confusion.<br /><br />Oh and since you mentioned it, I may give a legit prediction where i dont have to favor my own team if I feel like it and I can catch the draft. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1415, 161, 11, 1263936734, 0, 1415, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Fastidious', '', '75.63.60.198', 1, 0, '', 'My demo:<br /><br />http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20443264/fastpovweek2.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1262, 147, 11, 1260642733, 27, 1262, 'Re: Draft Order Change', 'CabooseA7X', 'CabooseA7X@hotmail.com', '69.39.94.20', 1, 1260643068, 'CabooseA7X', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1250#msg1250 date=1260585785]<br />He is however a fag and he quits teams, doesn&#039;t show up and isn&#039;t that good. I don&#039;t think you threw the game. I think you suck and should maybe stick to skulltag.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Why did I quit your team Nostar? Maybe because we had a Perfectly fit team, and your whole philosophy for each and every season was to get Chewy and JKist, hell rules were even made just so YOU could do this. I don&#039;t understand why we need to stack clans on IDL, I disagree with it. I found my experinces in IDL to be most fun when I was with a group of random players, and you dropping kandy for chewy, that did get me off. But I also had other things to do, you just pushed me with the whole trading deal. and I do play both ports, not one specifically.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=147.msg1250#msg1250 date=1260585785]<br />So if you do want to play in IDL, feel free to drop by the priv server and show what your rusty skulltag-playing ass can still do. Because the last time I played you, you lost by a lot and looked like a drunk monkey, Legion.[/quote]<br /><br />Are you referring to a 1v1? the last time I even recall playing you in a 1v1, I was fucking around on my laptop? lol?<br /><br />I&#039;m sorry that each and every game (that&#039;s not accounted) I don&#039;t try 100% as you do star &lt;/3<br /><br />I&#039;m also sorry that you have such harsh feelings for me!<br /><br />EDIT:<br />Look at the demos Nostar, notice that Cookies will say something about throwing the game. :]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1403, 161, 11, 1263778162, 131, 1403, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', 'My POV: http://jakub.machata.cz/idl/IDL-W2010-FLSvKGB-week2-GyrossPOV_idl2010.zip<br />GGs KGB.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1416, 163, 11, 1263956173, 7, 1416, 'Re: Post Demos on Forums Please', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.75.49.193', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah either one, so if there&#039;s a post in the weekly thread or it&#039;s listed on /demos then it&#039;s good.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1267, 146, 11, 1260663323, 30, 1267, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '70.92.142.104', 1, 0, '', 'The network god is about to speak<br /><br />shaping of packets is usually handled by some robust appliance, like a Juniper module. This also usually takes place at the router, a hundred thousand dollar type of router. <br /><br />In most cases when playing video games at home you would want to adjust your router to handle you gaming app. As stated Doom doesn&#039;t use much space packet wise but this wont prevent the packet from going through unless your ISP is gay. When a packet doesn&#039;t reach the minimal allowed size to get bagged and tagged it gets filled with fluff aka 0&#039;s. Then it is sent. Since home users aren&#039;t network technicians and they don&#039;t tend to understand the concept of syn, syn ack statements or in some case bandwidth and MB vs Mb, retail routers play this roll. Simply add your game box to the DMZ for full throughput of data, if your not comfortable with this you can port forward a range and let udp packets fly around in it for you game box. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1270, 146, 11, 1260768200, 7, 1270, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.237.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1267#msg1267 date=1260663323]<br />shaping of packets is usually handled by some robust appliance<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually lots and lots of stuff handles packet shaping, from the networking stack in your OS to the ethernet card in your computer to your router/modem/CO, etc.&nbsp; I don&#039;t mean to imply that all these things do shape your packets, but any of them certainly [b]can.[/b]<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1267#msg1267 date=1260663323]<br />In most cases when playing video games at home you would want to adjust your router to handle you gaming app. As stated Doom doesn&#039;t use much space packet wise but this wont prevent the packet from going through unless your ISP is gay. When a packet doesn&#039;t reach the minimal allowed size to get bagged and tagged it gets filled with fluff aka 0&#039;s.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I assume you&#039;re talking about Nagle&#039;s algorithm, which applies to TCP networking, and this is incorrect.&nbsp; The problem with TCP is that there&#039;s a lot of overhead to sending a packet, so if you&#039;re sending a lot of small packets, some software/hardware along the way sticks the payloads of those packets together, thus minimizing the impact of overhead.<br /><br />I probably confused you when I referred to it in my post, during which I also apparently was confused!<br /><br />The only thing zero-padding is ever used for is trying to fool sniffers for various reasons.&nbsp; Otherwise (unless you&#039;re using compression... which is pretty rare and incurs a noticeable impact on CPU usage) it just bloats your packets for no reason.<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1267#msg1267 date=1260663323]<br />Simply add your game box to the DMZ for full throughput of data, if your not comfortable with this you can port forward a range and let udp packets fly around in it for you game box. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Throughput generally refers to bandwidth, whereas placing a machine in a router&#039;s DMZ just bypasses NAT.&nbsp; The two are unrelated.&nbsp; Also SYN/ACK is all TCP, there&#039;s nothing of the kind for UDP.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1379, 161, 11, 1263242679, 19, 1379, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 1263246469, 'Xenaero', 'edit: apparently faggots dislike 0-0-0 with the middle number being ties because they like bullshit like &quot;teamone 1-0-2 teamtwo&quot; so the tie number is right next to the 2nd team name fuck them all ill tell you what ill do ill freakin shove some logic down all your throats i have you have room for my fist because im gonna ram it into your stomach and break your goddamn spine<br /><br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#196758]S[/color][color=#246c5e]p[/color][color=#2f7164]r[/color][color=#3a766a]e[/color][color=#447a70]a[/color][color=#4f7f76]d[/color] [color=#658982]E[/color][color=#708e88]a[/color][color=#7b938e]g[/color][color=#859794]l[/color][color=#909c9a]e[/color][color=#9ba1a0]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=16pt] [color=#000000]B[/color][color=#0b0101]e[/color][color=#160202]r[/color][color=#210404]s[/color][color=#2c0505]e[/color][color=#380606]r[/color][color=#430707]k[/color][color=#4e0808]e[/color][color=#590909]r[/color] [color=#6f0c0c]P[/color][color=#7a0d0d]a[/color][color=#850e0e]c[/color][color=#910f0f]k[/color][color=#9c1010]e[/color][color=#a71212]r[/color][color=#b21313]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]SPE[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BSK[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9568;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552; [size=5][b][color=brown]DIVISION[/color][/b][/size] &#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9571;[/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br /><br />[s]The map this week seems to favor BSK, since you practically need good runners in order to get through the claustrophobically tight hallways and hail of rockets with the flag in one piece. It&#039;s up to SPE to frag the hell out of everyone who comes near their flag and with RottKing and HumanBones on defense it would be extremely hard for a single runner to get away with the flag. Although, on the flip side, nearly everyone on BSK can make blistering fast getaways. What will make or break this game is who on each team will run support, since if you don&#039;t have someone floating about keeping track of things and helping teammates, you won&#039;t get very far. Two people on defense will likely pin BSK in. I&#039;m predicting a super-close game between a frag-heavy team with no well known runners (Except Bones but I don&#039;t consider him much of a runner as much of a defender) and a talented team packed with runners but not a whole lot else. SPE could turn this around depending on who runs, though. If Bones runs, and gets support, I can see BSK trying to defend more than capture flags.[/s]<br />[center][b][s]SPE 1-2 BSK[/s][/b][/center]<br /><br />I forgot who&#039;s on what team, fuck. ANYWAY, with a lineup of Shadow_Ghost, HumanBones, METALBLACK, and Goatface, compared to BSK&#039;s Shakal, Rosebird, cha0tix, and Beast, I think SPE has the advantage, unless BSK can get Beast in there to spam rockets constantly. But alas, rockets don&#039;t seal a whole game unless your name is Tai. The Packers don&#039;t have the defensive power needed to hold off the Eagles forever, considering that they&#039;d probably have Bones running on them. If Bones is supported properly with someone in the middle or floating around in the entrance to BSK&#039;s base I don&#039;t see BSK getting a foothold at that point, because then the pressure would be on them to score. They [b]do[/b] have the ability to score but I doubt SPE&#039;s defense would relinquish a flag unless the Packers&#039; runners got really crafty. I can see Goatface and Rosebird being the shining players this week for their respective teams (if played, that is). SPE&#039;s sheer power will probably chew through BSK&#039;s defense and unless BSK gets some early flags or cracks the Eagles&#039; defense, there won&#039;t be much hope.<br />[center][b]SPE 2-1 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br /><br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#6e6e6e]D[/color][color=#656565]o[/color][color=#5c5c5c]o[/color][color=#535353]m[/color] [color=#404040]R[/color][color=#373737]a[/color][color=#2e2e2e]i[/color][color=#252525]d[/color][color=#1c1c1c]e[/color][color=#121212]r[/color][color=#090909]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#0744c0]S[/color][color=#0849c0]u[/color][color=#094fc0]p[/color][color=#0a54bf]e[/color][color=#0b59bf]r[/color] [color=#0d64bf]C[/color][color=#0e6abf]h[/color][color=#0e6fbe]a[/color][color=#0f74be]r[/color][color=#107abe]g[/color][color=#117fbe]e[/color][color=#1284bd]r[/color][color=#138abd]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]DMR[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]SUC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9568;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552; [size=5][b][color=brown]DIVISION[/color][/b][/size] &#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9571;[/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br /><br />I wish I could say a whole lot that would help DMR, the problem is that this map is very defensibly for SUC, and if Ralphis begins to run, it might be over pretty quickly. DMR&#039;s best hope here is to play Doomguy on defense and hope that Ralphis and Nostar have ungodly connection problems during the game. I don&#039;t see that happening two weeks in a row, though. Best of luck to Doomguy&#039;s team but it doesn&#039;t look like SUC&#039;s streak will end here.<br />[center][b]DMR 0-2 SUC[/b][/center]<br /><br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#c00907]F[/color][color=#b10a19]l[/color][color=#a20c2c]a[/color][color=#940d3e]g[/color] [color=#761063]S[/color][color=#671275]t[/color][color=#591387]e[/color][color=#4a1599]e[/color][color=#3b16ac]l[/color][color=#2c18be]e[/color][color=#1e19d0]r[/color][color=#0f1be3]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#663311]K[/color][color=#6f3912]i[/color][color=#773e13]l[/color][color=#804414]l[/color][color=#894915]i[/color][color=#924f16]n[/color][color=#9a5417]g[/color] [color=#ac5f1a]B[/color][color=#b4651b]r[/color][color=#bd6a1c]o[/color][color=#c6701d]w[/color][color=#cf751e]n[/color][color=#d77b1f]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]FLS[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]KGB[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br /><br />The Browns, led by Tai last season made a hefty victory against their divisional rivals last season. It was clear that ZDCTF03 was a favored map amongst them, and I don&#039;t think that&#039;s changed this season. FLS doesn&#039;t sport a whole lot I can see punching through Tai&#039;s relentless pubbie-pussy-like rocket spams. They&#039;d need to push up heavily in order to oust KGB. For the most part it might be a stalemate, but I think KGB will edge out when Ladna and Saber get frustrated and get reckless in the face of rockets. Whiteboy will be stoic on defense and have to fight off the Killing Cyberdemons, while Gyross will probably be trying not to die. If Ladna/Saber control the RL I think my prediction might be reversed, but as it stands, I favor KGB in this matchup.<br />[center][b]FLS 0-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=16pt][color=#c00709]B[/color][color=#bf280b]r[/color][color=#bf490d]o[/color][color=#be6a10]k[/color][color=#be8b12]e[/color][color=#c0a907]b[/color][color=#9bae0a]a[/color][color=#76b30e]c[/color][color=#50b811]k[/color] [color=#07c011]C[/color][color=#0b8c4a]o[/color][color=#105884]w[/color][color=#070cc0]b[/color][color=#350ebd]o[/color][color=#6210ba]y[/color][color=#9012b7]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#c09807]E[/color][color=#b28d07]l[/color][color=#a58206]e[/color][color=#977706]c[/color][color=#896d05]t[/color][color=#7b6205]r[/color][color=#6e5704]i[/color][color=#604c04]c[/color] [color=#453603]B[/color][color=#372b02]i[/color][color=#292102]l[/color][color=#1b1601]l[/color][color=#0e0b01]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BBC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]EBL[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/110110/1263237909.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/110110/1263237632.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br /><br /> :) ;) :D ;D &gt;:( :( :o 8) ??? :P ::) :-X :-[ :-\\ :-* :&#039;(<br /><br />[center][b]BBC 1-1 EBL[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1271, 146, 11, 1260770141, 130, 1271, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 1260770462, 'nostar', 'I&#039;ve been a pretty big asshole on the forums lately, and it occurred to me that stopping now would just be pointless.<br /><br />First and foremost I would like to think that a god of anything, networking or otherwise, would have better grammar and spelling.<br /><br />For all those who want to gain something meaningful from Ladna&#039;s experimentation, ignore the nonsense Beast posted and try limiting yr (upload) bandwidth to see if it makes your connection feel better and less lossy. Furthermore, not only do many consumer routers have QoS (traffic shaping), Open-WRT has some of the best QoS support and it&#039;s FREE! Oh and I almost forgot, XP has QoS capabilities too :http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc737728%28WS.10%29.aspx<br /><br />On AT&amp;T DSL we found that limiting the upload short of the 768kbps cap moved our UDP packetloss from 40% to like ~3% (info via iperf). That is just the bandwidth fix we have found and it&#039;s definitely worth trying. Packet shaping is addressed in the Nagles&#039;s algorithm stuff, which I think Ladna mentioned was a bust. <br /><br />DMZ is basically a quarantine and isn&#039;t very smart unless you have a specific reason (web, email, proxy, etc...not to enhance your gaming!) If you feel the need to port-forward, do it I guess. I have never found a need for it with either Cable or DSL and a myriad of ISPs. Remember I&#039;m talking about client mode, server is a different BEAST all together.<br /><br />The forum jerk that is Nostar!<br /><br />EDIT: Ladna beat me to smacking your misguided post down apparently. I was busy this weekend!<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1380, 161, 11, 1263307002, 86, 1380, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '198.86.116.85', 1, 1263307171, 'metalblack', '[size=3][b]Spread Eagles v Berserker Packers[/b][/size]<br /><br />unimportant<br /><br />[size=3][b]Doom Raiders v Super Chargers[/b][/size]<br /><br />When I heard DMR beat EBL I was excited for DMR that they beat the odds and actually won with everyone giving them negative results. When I heard how they won I was a bit disappointed, DMR is still able to prove itself worth but this week is going to be a struggle. Can a rabbit [u]outwit[/u] a boa constrictor? If so than it is possible for DMR to win. If DMR isnt tight as in teamwork, I see SUC quickly squeezing the life out of DMR and eventually engulfing it.<br /><br />My Lineup Picks:<br /><br />[b]DMR:[/b]<br />Kblair - D<br />DG - Middle/support<br />Jen - O<br /><br />[b]SUC:[/b]<br />Star - Sucking<br />Fast - complaining<br />Ralphis - capping a peoples flag cap then waking up in a cold sweat in the middle of the night in a wet bed.<br /><br />For controversy [b]DMR 2-1[/b]<br /><br />[size=3][b]Flag Steelers vs Killing Browns[/b][/size]<br /><br />KGB has shown that they can get the momentum and run with it, after there tie to SPE they have proven that this season they are serious. I expect miek to see some light this week and run the o for FLS. Although, if FLS sticks white on D, KGB is going to need a lot more offensive power. FLS better play gyross, he will overwhelm KGB&#039;s defense seeing as euros love there map03. I distinctly remember last season gyross tearing BBC a new hole on map03. If FLS fills the last remaining mid/support with Ladna, I feel like its lights out KGB.<br /><br />My Lineup Picks:<br /><br />[b]FLS:[/b]<br />Whiteboy - D<br />Ladna - Middle/support<br />Gyrossman - O<br /><br />[b]KGB:[/b]<br />Tai - D<br />Dev - Middle/support<br />Mike - O<br /><br />[b]FLS 2-1[/b] if they play that lineup<br /><br />[size=3][b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Electric Bills[/b][/size]<br /><br />BBC is an offensive powerhouse, they did some nice work last week resulting in a tie definitely showing us that they can outfrag you and yo momma. The only downside I&#039;ve seen is there ability to keep that momentum which I saw quickly die in the 3rd round with BSK. Rott&#039;s curse is weakening slowly but surely, and I think the middle role will suit him nicely. EBL needs....something. Better connections, better teamwork, or just better everything. EBL can do it though, if Xen has absolutely no connection problems, collision is there and good to go on the defensive, and mid is tearing up the offensive line, they can win.<br /><br />[b]BBC:[/b]<br />Stallion - O<br />Mantis/Rott - Middle/support<br />Acolyte - D<br /><br />[b]EBL:[/b]<br />Mid - O<br />Xen - Middle/support<br />Collision - D<br /><br />[b]BBC 2-1 EBL[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1272, 146, 11, 1260771260, 30, 1272, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '70.92.142.104', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=146.msg1270#msg1270 date=1260768200]<br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1267#msg1267 date=1260663323]<br />shaping of packets is usually handled by some robust appliance<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually lots and lots of stuff handles packet shaping, from the networking stack in your OS to the ethernet card in your computer to your router/modem/CO, etc.&nbsp; I don&#039;t mean to imply that all these things do shape your packets, but any of them certainly [b]can.[/b][/quote]<br /><br />[b]*Usually*[/b] is the keyword here and when I was speaking of packet shaping I was referring to it at the application layer not the networking layer<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1267#msg1267 date=1260663323]<br />In most cases when playing video games at home you would want to adjust your router to handle you gaming app. As stated Doom doesn&#039;t use much space packet wise but this wont prevent the packet from going through unless your ISP is gay. When a packet doesn&#039;t reach the minimal allowed size to get bagged and tagged it gets filled with fluff aka 0&#039;s.<br /><br /><br />I assume you&#039;re talking about Nagle&#039;s algorithm, which applies to TCP networking, and this is incorrect.&nbsp; The problem with TCP is that there&#039;s a lot of overhead to sending a packet, so if you&#039;re sending a lot of small packets, some software/hardware along the way sticks the payloads of those packets together, thus minimizing the impact of overhead.<br /><br />I probably confused you when I referred to it in my post, during which I also apparently was confused!<br /><br />The only thing zero-padding is ever used for is trying to fool sniffers for various reasons.&nbsp; Otherwise (unless you&#039;re using compression... which is pretty rare and incurs a noticeable impact on CPU usage) it just bloats your packets for no reason.[/quote]<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1267#msg1267 date=1260663323]<br />Simply add your game box to the DMZ for full throughput of data, if your not comfortable with this you can port forward a range and let udp packets fly around in it for you game box. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Throughput generally refers to bandwidth, whereas placing a machine in a router&#039;s DMZ just bypasses NAT.&nbsp; The two are unrelated.&nbsp; Also SYN/ACK is all TCP, there&#039;s nothing of the kind for UDP.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />If your machine is in the DMZ on your router that means all packets/data get forwarded it to it unless the packet is addressed to go to another machine behind the router. When I say throughput which is another term for bandwidth I was refering to the machines destination or in other terms the internet and devices on it have full access to bombard the machine with all sorts of packets, yet of course this is limited to the &#039;bandwidth&#039; of the link.<br /><br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1273, 146, 11, 1260775213, 130, 1273, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.190.86', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />If your machine is in the DMZ on your router that means all packets/data get forwarded it to it unless the packet is addressed to go to another machine behind the router. When I say throughput which is another term for bandwidth I was refering to the machines destination or in other terms the internet and devices on it have full access to bombard the machine with all sorts of packets, yet of course this is limited to the &#039;bandwidth&#039; of the link.<br /><br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I cannot even begin to tell you how retarded that second sentence is. Upwards of 40 words, run-ons, tense confusion and general incoherence make it easily one of the least intelligent things on this forum. And we have DONUT!<br /><br />It&#039;s just dumb to continue this. You know things that apparently defy both networking fundamentals and grammar rules.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1381, 161, 11, 1263336720, 130, 1381, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'MB i underestimated how fucking dumb you are<br /><br />BSK 50 - 0 SPE<br /><br />go shak!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(9468, 965, 31, 1384446127, 10, 9468, 'Re: Theory of Rolf', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '68.32.39.56', 1, 0, '', 'rip Rome', 'xx', 1);
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	(8624, 851, 29, 1362716807, 214, 8624, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.31.78', 1, 0, '', 'Ok, finally strangle and bless finished their match on the last possible day. Now the 2nd round can finally begin. Everyone has until next Thursday to play their match. gl', 'xx', 1);
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	(1405, 161, 11, 1263780115, 35, 1405, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'Here&#039;s my week [b][u]TWO[/u][/b] demo: http://www.sendspace.com/file/dxbxn5', 'xx', 1);
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	(1406, 161, 11, 1263781874, 7, 1406, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=161.msg1399#msg1399 date=1263748388]<br />Thus far I&#039;ve been really, really disappointing in the lack of performance by the door.&nbsp; I hope he&#039;s saving it for a miracle effort of magical proportions in the last game.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Gyross got rocked by the door at least twice, rockets in the face.&nbsp; His demo &quot;part b&quot; is extremely entertaining, mostly for that reason heh.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1275, 146, 11, 1260832970, 30, 1275, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '70.92.142.104', 1, 0, '', 'hey ladna you fucking idiot, i never said it did u retard, I said before its starts doing its source destination broadcast their is a header all UDP packets have to meet the same stateful source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do ...so um it knows where to go...me mentioning ppl might not understand syn/ack doesn&#039;t magically transform into me saying that UDP uses syn/ack dumbass go grab some more text and twist it around...oh no you can;t because my runon sentence is too confusing for your inferior intellect<br /><br />lol i could care less about grammer on a video game forum, you can hoot and holler all you want here, while you invest your life into lets see not amounting to anything I will still be here networking fucking bitches and getting paid(for designing networks)....beating you at Doom all while enjoying some bbq<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1418, 162, 11, 1263963204, 22, 1418, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', '[b]Brokeback Cowboys Vs Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />I think both teams have been doubted somewhat by the rest of the league, but last week they both proved that they shouldn&#039;t be overlooked, I believe this game will be extremely thrilling! It&#039;s gonna be interesting to see how each captain sets up everyones positions, I think out of all the games this is the one that is most likely to be a tie, although something is telling me that BBC will narrowly get the win.<br /><br />[b]BBC 2-1 FLS[/b]<br /><br />[b]Killing Browns Vs Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />I&#039;m not sure whats going on with EBL, they have a solid lineup on paper, but they have failed pretty badly to this point, I am hoping to see a rebound this week. KGB is a very well versed team, but last week in their loss to FLS they may have exposed a kink in their armor and may not be as ruthless as everybody has originally thought. Both teams are winless, but it disheartens me to see EBL do as badly as they are, that being said my sentiments will power them! <br /><br />[b]EBL 2-1 KGB[/b]<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders Vs Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />BSK has proven to be quite the formidable foe despite all the doubts that were thrown their way after the Rose/Fast trade, and they showed this by beating up SPE last week. I am told that DMR also had an impressive showing against SUC last week even though they lost. However BSK look to be the favorites here (I think DMR are gonna be the underdogs this entire season).<br /><br />[b]BSK 2-0 DMR[/b]<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers Vs Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />I have a theory that nostar is the most loved person on zdaemon, with his mature behaviour among other admirable traits', 'xx', 1);
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	(1436, 161, 11, 1264114330, 11, 1436, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '69.92.216.241', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20483170/Doomguy666Winter2010Week2.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1440, 162, 11, 1264377549, 10, 1440, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Short version<br /><br />BBC over FLS in a close ass game<br />EBL gets their first win over KGB<br />BSK with a victory over DMR (has DMR even practiced?)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1283, 146, 11, 1260869353, 130, 1283, 'Re: Networking in Windows', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.190.86', 1, 0, '', 'Geez u got mad. <br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />i never said it did u retard, I said before its starts doing its source destination broadcast their is a header all UDP packets have to meet the same stateful source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do........me mentioning ppl might not understand syn/ack doesn&#039;t magically transform into me saying that UDP uses syn/ack dumbass<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=146.msg1272#msg1272 date=1260771260]<br />lol all &#039;initial&#039; packets use syn/ack, once the connection for UDP is made that is no longer applicable<br />[/quote]<br /><br />And for the record you never said any of that stuff in the first quote. I just read down through your posts and nothing even remotely similar to that stolen quote was anywhere in your posts. The rest of the quote you stole from this website [http://thetazzone.com/blog/cisco-pix-tcp-udp-nat-pat-and-port-redirection/] goes like this:<br /><br />&quot;All UDP packets have to meet the same Stateful Source IP &amp; Port, Destination IP &amp; Port prerequisites that the TCP packet do, but as there is no sequencing it is relatively easy to spoof a UDP packet and maybe even get it through the firewall.&quot;<br /><br />I hate to be the one to break this to you but...you&#039;re really dumb. I know that not everyone uses their best grammar here but god damn man it&#039;s like you never passed the 1st grade. Learn to how to correctly differentiate there, their and they&#039;re. It will serve you well, forums or otherwise.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1286, 152, 3, 1260912640, 130, 1286, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '99.50.231.28', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.<br /><br />Then again, the word &quot;live&quot; has a similar situation. The cool thing there is that &quot;live&quot; as in alive and &quot;live&quot; as in to stay living mean different things. So here is what we can do. The &quot;Priv&quot; that rhymes with jive can mean &quot;I&#039;m a big gayo and sound like it when I try to abbreviate private,&quot; while &quot;Priv&quot; that rhymes with give can mean &quot;Hey guys come play some organized ctf.&quot; We as a community can use the context to decide which is which, just like English speakers use context to differentiate the two forms of &quot;live&quot;.<br /><br />Woo!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3225, 370, 14, 1294821027, 46, 3225, 'Re: Comments during matches...', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '174.25.27.19', 1, 0, '', 'I like commentary.&nbsp; It&#039;s a fun part of the game.&nbsp;  ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1648, 185, 11, 1268588978, 160, 1648, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.58', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=185.msg1645#msg1645 date=1268544639]<br />Aww did I strike a nerve calling yr boyfriend a scrub? It&#039;s okay if you wanna stick up for him, someone should I guess. As to the facts of your performance this season...[/quote]<br /><br />No but apparently you have.&nbsp; :-*<br /><br />[quote]Fucking dismal is more like it. 2-4-2. that means you got 2 wins out of 8 games. 25%. And while I realize you didn&#039;t show up for half of them, the results are yours to bear regardless.[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t mind stats. But if you must, yes my team fell apart due to scheduled sessions with the game of Life.<br /><br />[quote]You act like people who do well in IDL have no lives[/quote]<br /><br />If you think I act like that you must have horrible reading comprehension.<br /><br />[quote]when in reality I happen to know many people in IDL that have fine and fulfilling lives, be they hockey playing canadians, school going russkies or even programming vidiots. It&#039;s just [b]you [/b] that can&#039;t seem to accommodate playing a very simple online game along side whatever fiestas or block parties you attend. Makes me think you&#039;re somehow handicapped.[/quote]<br /><br />I can&#039;t knock my team for not playing at all (except for game time) because they have things in life to do. What am I gonna say, &quot;IDL is more important&quot;? If they can&#039;t play because they&#039;re busy handling real life affairs so be it. I don&#039;t see why you&#039;re knocking on my team for giving their life priority. Maybe because you don&#039;t have one...hmm?&nbsp; ::)<br /><br /><br />[quote]Beast is good enough for public ctf. If he was good enough for you to have stayed competitive I imagine you would have. Additionally you forfeited half of the games you would have played with him. I don&#039;t blame you, no one wants to have to carry a gimped team.[/quote]<br /><br />Two forfeits were pretty much at the hands of the Twinkie Baron (though I think we would have lost either way), but I don&#039;t blame Beast at all for the spiral my team took. Beast is good enough, we never practiced/played enough to find the right slot for him but considering the minutes we have practiced and played overall in general, I think he did alright.<br /><br />[quote]I like when you decide to rag on my contributions to IDL (or lack thereof). [/quote]<br /><br />So you make jokes just but can&#039;t take &#039;em. Ok, I&#039;ll keep that in mind...<br /><br />[quote]It&#039;s an easy mark for someone who barely shows to games.[/quote]<br /><br />Only missed two games kid. One technically because I was ready for the last.<br /><br />[quote]I certainly have ideas, helpful would probably be a stretch of the imagination. I have ideas on how to win, ideas on how to stay competitive over time, ideas about which cheeses I like and which I don&#039;t, and politics, let&#039;s not get started my immigrant friend. Also I happen to bring in newer players all the time. I just don&#039;t care for ignorant southerners. Legion I&#039;ve softened on, but he&#039;s a little dimwitted still...kids you know.[/quote]<br /><br />Oh so they&#039;re not helpful to the league. I see we agree on something here!<br /><br />[quote]Really I feel like you&#039;re calling the kettle black here. So far as I&#039;ve seen you basically just complain a lot instead of contributing anything (useful or not).[/quote]<br /><br />We were in a &quot;problem&quot; thread, specifically dealing with complaints. As for out-of-forum ordeals, there&#039;s reason behind them, namely maps.<br /><br />[quote]I&#039;d like to see you...show up regularly...play in priv...captain...host servers, something to at least base your wild claims in.[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t have ZD on the &quot;gotta-do!!&quot; list, so I don&#039;t mind disappearing every now and then and indulging in other activities. I don&#039;t captain because I&#039;m just there to play. I don&#039;t host servers because its not worth my time or money, though I don&#039;t mind supporting someone else who needs the jump because I do like the game to SOME degree.<br /><br />[quote]I mean let&#039;s be clear, I&#039;m not magnanimous by any stretch, but I clearly contribute both my time and energy in addition to money. Maybe you should take a look and emulate.[/quote]<br /><br />I would donate to worthy servers (hello RN!). I don&#039;t help IDL much at all because its not worth it to me. I don&#039;t like most of it, why bother supporting something I don&#039;t like? I&#039;m not the kind of guy who would vote just because.<br /><br />[quote]Or you can fade back into that Dark Alley you swamp around in[/quote]<br /><br />Looks like someone&#039;s jealous...<br /><br />[quote]believing that you&#039;re still a top player. That seems more likely.[/quote]<br /><br />I believe I am when I play regularly. ZD&#039;s been a snoozefest the past year and such, so I don&#039;t stick around too often or play too much. I hoped IDL would bring it back but... it was a bust.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3360, 379, 3, 1296898962, 157, 3360, 'Re: Greetings', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.116.10.104', 1, 0, '', 'goliath you are stepping into quite the shark den<br /><br />welcome!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1423, 162, 11, 1264046824, 19, 1423, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m too disheartened to post predictions.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1295, 152, 3, 1261002678, 20, 1295, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', 'There are abbreviations for &quot;private&quot; and priv is not one of them so it is basically a matter of opinion... There is no right way or wrong way in all reality&nbsp; ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1287, 152, 3, 1260914866, 13, 1287, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Shakal', 'justtosexy@hotmail.com', '174.117.193.85', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1349, 160, 10, 1263101759, 7, 1349, 'MOVED: Auto-Demoing: How to do it', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.3.40', 1, 0, '', 'This topic has been moved to [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?board=11.0][IDL Winter 2010][/url].<br /><br />[iurl]http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=28.0[/iurl]', 'moved', 1);
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	(1912, 222, 12, 1275891134, 19, 1912, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t like this map, it&#039;s very weird. But the uniqueness of it and the positioning of it being in week 1 make it a map a lot of teams will not be entirely comfortable with unless they practice. It remains to be seen how players will handle it due to several different factors the map represents. I don&#039;t have my fancy images and layout but that&#039;s because my webspace is dead.<br /><br />SPE vs. SUC<br /><br />This is going to be a boring game, as Ralph was allowed to assemble a team that revolves around his multi-positional style. As a result, it&#039;s likely going to put the Eagles in a bad bind. SPE is more offensive-oriented and they&#039;ll be forced to play catch-up a great deal while simultaneously pushed on the defensive. The Chargers are no joke this season, so the Eagles better bring their best game.<br />[b]SUC 2-0[/b]<br /><br />FLS vs. BSK<br /><br />This is going to be intense. I expect it going 5-4 either way for each round, even going to three rounds. I don&#039;t expect a very cohesive defense as much as I expect a blistering offense from both sides, racing to capture the most flags in the least amount of time. Sabertooth probably will refuse to practice. But in the end, I have BSK pulling away with Stallion going insane in the middle.<br />[b]BSK 2-1[/b]<br /><br />BBC vs. DMR<br /><br />Going to be honest, mikehail can dominate this map if Nostar is allowed to gain a foothold. All the pressure is on the Cowboys to keep Nostar pinned down and under control, but even then it&#039;s no guarantee with Mike running around the map. Collision probably will have 3000 ping before the game starts and not do much of anything, so I&#039;m looking for a Nostar/Mike/Mid combo.<br />[b]BBC 2-0 DMR, unless some miracle happens.[/b]<br /><br />KGB vs. EBL<br /><br />I honestly think this is going to be a close game, and would be disappointed if it was any different, cause both teams look pretty good. But you know, with Tai [url=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/060610/1275888754.png]flapping his lips[/url] and Strangle [url=http://pastebin.com/ZXc4pd22]actually turning on the captain that brought him in and praised him for actually showing up last season[/url] (Trimmed irrelevant lines from the log), I don&#039;t think I&#039;m too happy about KGB. In fact, I will be bringing heat like no heat they&#039;ve ever felt before into their worlds. Actually, it won&#039;t be me who&#039;s bringing the heat, it will be [b]THE ELECTRIC BILLS[/b] who bring the heat. We will bring the sun into their caves and show them the light. The light they can&#039;t have. And then, you know what we&#039;ll do? We&#039;ll take that light away. We will leave them in the darkness while we light the way to THE ELECTRIC BILLS&#039; [b]SUMMER 2010 MASTERBOWL CHAMPIONSHIP TITLE[/b]. Cause this ain&#039;t about me. This is about the team. Tai and his lackeys have insulted without cause or reason all of the Electric Bills tonight. Climhazzard, Whiteboy, Dewww, and myself.<br /><br />But I hope for their sake they&#039;re ready to back up their words with action, cause it&#039;s not EBL&#039;s reputation that&#039;s on the line, here. We have nothing to lose, and everything to win. And we&#039;ll be fighting the hardest. See you out there.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1383, 161, 11, 1263339021, 19, 1383, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=metalblack link=topic=161.msg1380#msg1380 date=1263307002]EBL needs....something. Better connections, better teamwork, or just better everything.[/quote]<br /><br />Better luck rofl haha get it ha ha<br /><br />fuck my ass', 'xx', 1);
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	(1290, 152, 3, 1260922367, 69, 1290, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 0, '', 'I see priv as a different word entirely, not an abbreviation of private CTF.&nbsp; &quot;Private CTF&quot; could mean any CTF game with a password or hidden IP, &quot;priv&quot; is our own system with a special set of rules and (more or less) open to the public.&nbsp; For this reason I think it&#039;s fine to pronounce it differently, and rhyming with shiv sounds better to me.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1350, 157, 11, 1263179454, 22, 1350, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Spread Eagles (SPE) : 1<br /><br />Game 1 - Shadow, bones, Goatface : 1 flag<br />Game 2 - Shadow, bones, Goatface : 0 flags<br />Game 3 - Shadow, bones, METALBLACK : 3 flags<br /><br />Killing Browns (KGB) : 1<br /><br />Game 1 - Tai, Oath, DevastatioN : 1 flag<br />Game 2 - Tai, Oath, DevastatioN : 1 flag<br />Game 3 - Tai, Oath, DevastatioN : 0 flags<br /><br />ggs!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1384, 161, 11, 1263341354, 10, 1385, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1263359826, 'Ralphis', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]SPOT LIGHT GAME[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />So the Berserker Packers get another shot at a spotlight game which didn&#039;t end up happening last week (woops!) while the Spread Eagles look for their own first win. In one of the weirdest starts ever, the entire WDC is winless going into week 2. A win by either of these divisional rivals will put them 1.5 games ahead of the other and also in the conference lead. This could be a game that has serious weight as the conference race moves down the stretch.<br /><br />The Spread Eagles are coming off a game that some might consider a potential title game preview which resulted in a tie with Killing Browns. In a three rounder, the Eagles ended up pouring on the pressure big in the third round to prevent a loss. Having been one of the only teams to utilize all four members of their roster thus far, the question to be answered is who is going to see playing time this week in one of the team&#039;s most important games of the season? Also, Humanbones vs his old team.<br /><br />Much like their opponent this week, the Berserker Packers came out swinging hard in week 1 only to finish with a tie. The Berserker Packers have one of the most potent offensive lineups in the league which should provide an interesting match up against one of the strongest power teams. The only other time Shakal/Cha0tix have played map03 in the IDL together was during the league&#039;s inaugural season where they beat their divisional rival, Strickland Propane, in week 3. Can they replicate that success three years later?<br /><br />[i]This should be an interesting one that I assume can go both ways depending on practice time put in and a dose of luck. The Packers can certainly win this map with their weapons and experience but it&#039;s going to take some heroics.[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 2-0 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />The Flag Steelers continue their interconference tour this week as they match up against the IDC North&#039;s Killing Browns. Both teams are looking for their first win.<br /><br />Ladna and the Flag Steelers had a strong showing against SUC week 1 but could not put any points on the board. The Flag Steelers have a stout defense but will have to mount a daring offensive as they once again go against another highly defensive squad. Whiteboy and Ladna are likely shoe-ins. Will this week mark the W2010 debut of Gyrossman and, if it does, will he be able to produce?<br /><br />The Killing Browns likely come into this game as favorites with a solid roster in all facets of the game. Last season&#039;s flag capture title holder, mikehail, warmed the bench in KGB&#039;s opener which resulted in a tie. Can we expect to see an Oath/Mikehail 1-2 punch on FLS&#039; Whiteboy driven defense this week? I would expect it.<br /><br />[i]The Killing Browns are likely going to come out packing an offensive package that will overwhelm the Flag Steelers. To stand a chance, the Steelers need to put points on the board early and sit on a lead, otherwise this one is as good as over.[/i]<br />[center][b]FLS 0-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />More teams looking for a win. For the Electric Bills, it&#039;s all about getting back on track, getting their rosters available, and not having connection problems. For the Brokeback Cowboys, it&#039;s all about continuing to execute their game plan until the final score is posted.<br /><br />The Cowboys showed up strong last week as they held the offensive force of the Berserker Packers at bay for most of the game. Unfortunately, with only minutes left in the game they slipped and got rallied on 4-0 in round 3. They cannot let that happen this week and must continue to hold up defensively throughout the game. Look for ItalianStallion, the worst franchise, to set the tone early in this game.<br /><br />The Electric Bills have a roster that practically mirrors the Cowboys&#039;, so this week will likely come down to strategy and, most importantly, execution. Expect to see Xenaero defending against ItalianStallion, midian battling for the middle with Mantis-X, and RottKing defending against Legion. Will Collision show up this week? What type of role will he play if so?<br /><br />[i]This will be a game that either team will likely be able to look back on come week 10 and say &quot;We should have won that game&quot; while they&#039;re on the outside looking into the playoffs. This will probably be one of the most competitive games of the week barring any connection issues and I can see where the reigning WDC Conference Champions squeak by with a win. Keep your eyes on this one.[/i]<br />[center][b]BBC 2-1 EBL[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center]A week 2 divisional game where the Doom Raiders are going to have to face a strong team without connection problems? Put on your shorts, this is about to get hot.[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1422, 161, 11, 1264038767, 158, 1436, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.79.67', 1, 1264237561, 'Ladna', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20466201/download/2010-01-14%20233530%20idl2010h.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
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	(6296, 614, 20, 1330134554, 4, 6296, 'Re: Week 8 (FEB 20 - FEB 26) : ZDCTF09 (MAP09) - Discussion and Results', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '98.250.101.180', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/7857/39401534563823546276110.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3226, 370, 14, 1294843827, 2, 3226, 'Re: Comments during matches...', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.217', 1, 0, '', 'I agree, I think spectator chatting definitely adds to the excitement of the entire series.&nbsp; Just like any major sports venue it has the ability to harass and distract but you can use F8 or chatblock_spec like Hatred said so that ability is always open to you.&nbsp; Personally I find many of the comments entertaining or extremely amusing.&nbsp; I do wish there was a way to contain spectators so there was no possibility of information leaking, not certain if there is a way in ZD to handle that possibility though.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3775, 410, 14, 1300305823, 38, 3776, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.44.100', 1, 1300306036, 'Sabertooth', 'I&#039;m sorry my sperm spawned these egos and I formally apologized for each and every single one of them.<br /><br />I will insure you all that I will watch where I blow my load from now on.<br /><br />P.S. It is easier to just blame me for everything and move on.<br /><br />P.P.S. I carry everyone at all times. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3361, 381, 1, 1296903225, 0, 3361, 'Hello', 'critterridderaz', '', '119.154.120.197', 1, 0, '', '<br /><br />Hello everyone as i am a new member of this forum i found this forum very interesting .Thanks.... :D', 'xx', 1);
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	(3906, 406, 14, 1302286527, 75, 3906, 'Re: Regular Season Discussion', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jenova link=topic=406.msg3903#msg3903 date=1302135530]<br />I have an enlarged butthole because I&#039;ve been raped a lot.<br />[/quote]<br />that is the worst victory bragging ever. you suck at winning, seriously pathetic.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7916, 758, 25, 1355366498, 4465, 7916, 'Re: IDL Winter 2013 Signups', 'Rude', 'wolfeman3030@yahoo.com', '108.16.160.231', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Rude (allday)<br />Country/State: USA<br />IM Contact: QuakeNet #idl #odamex <br />Regular Availability: most evenings ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4156, 443, 18, 1307405062, 214, 4156, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 6 - Jun 12) : ZDCTF26 (MAP 26) - Discussion and Results', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.242.4.12', 1, 0, '', 'heh. The only thing stallion is missing is the asskissing for each team. :3', 'xx', 1);
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	(4766, 499, 1, 1316099457, 7, 4766, 'Re: North America Vs Europe', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=499.msg4708#msg4708 date=1315409479]<br />This is actually somewhat true.&nbsp; IDL peaked about season 4-8 ever since then it&#039;s been kinda down hill.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[move][u][b][font=impact][size=7][color=red]FRANCHISING[/color][/size][/font][/b][/u][/move]', 'xx', 1);
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	(6612, 636, 20, 1333318922, 20, 6612, 'Re: Season 11 / Winter 2012 - MASTERBOWL XI - Discussion and Results', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '24.88.122.148', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1tmjvzlor1r60wo8.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4041, 433, 16, 1305183747, 0, 4041, 'Re: The Draft', 'capodecima', '', '88.103.101.55', 1, 0, '', 'why is nautilus cap when he is poor ? ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4159, 442, 16, 1307427350, 49, 4159, 'Re: A Post About Trading That You Should Read', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '108.36.162.158', 1, 0, '', 'the trade wasn&#039;t dumb for my wallet $$$', 'xx', 1);
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	(1310, 156, 11, 1261204210, 20, 1310, 'Re: Ventrilo Server', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', 'Thanks a bunch Gilga!<br /><br />I remember last year on BBC when we used Vent (some random free server) ... We had some crazy ass kids come in and start yelling the most random shit... Pretty hilarious actually&nbsp; :-*', 'xx', 1);
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	(3940, 400, 1, 1303360305, 214, 3940, 'Re: For my fans...', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.242.5.89', 1, 0, '', 'Did fast drown in jizz creek?&nbsp; ??? ???', 'xx', 1);
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	(1385, 161, 11, 1263344451, 15, 1385, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.93.217', 1, 0, '', 'Never have done a prediction so here I am giving it a shot!<br /><br /><br /><br />[size=3][b]Spread Eagles v Berserker Packers[/b][/size]<br /><br />Hopefully we can get this game broadcasted, I&#039;m really excited to see how it would turn out.<br /><br />This should be an exciting game, but I really can&#039;t see the offense of BSK penetrating humanbones&#039; defense.&nbsp; I would like to see shadow and metal playing from the get go this time around.&nbsp; Last week it felt like it was too late when MB jumped into the game, but they still managed to pull off a win.&nbsp; Definately chemistry between the two.<br /><br />SPE 2-0<br /><br /><br />[size=3][b]Doom Raiders v Super Chargers[/b][/size]<br /><br />Let&#039;s be honest, if it weren&#039;t for the connection problems for EBL I doubt DMR would&#039;ve had that game at all.&nbsp; I&#039;ve seen some nice things from jenova&#039;s game as of late to consider him a capable runner in this league.&nbsp; But I don&#039;t think this team has the support to help him.<br /><br />After stealing Fastidious in the preseason this team has probably become one of the better teams in the idl.&nbsp; They seem like a complete team, not ever having to switch roles due to the map or the team they are playing.&nbsp; I missed their game in week1, but hopefully i&#039;ll be around to watch them this week.<br /><br />I&#039;ll have to give this to Suc, maybe next week! ;D<br /><br />SUC 2-0 <br /><br /><br /><br />[size=3][b]Flag Steelers vs Killing Browns[/b][/size]<br /><br />KGB is probably one of the more underrated teams in this league.&nbsp; I predict they will go far into the playoffs.&nbsp; If Tai can keep his D up like he has been lately, I cannot see why they wouldn&#039;t.&nbsp; With the offensive capabilities of mike, and probably the rookie of the year, dev to back him up.&nbsp; AND let&#039;s not forget Oath, who has been playing really well.&nbsp; They should have a good season.&nbsp; Tai I think had the best picks in the off season, and it&#039;ll surely show in the long run.&nbsp; For this game, I think they should have the upper hand.&nbsp; Seeing how well they played<br /><br />FLS seems to have something missing to this team to be great.&nbsp; seeing as they got shutout last week, most likely an offense problem.&nbsp; But also the map doesn&#039;t help, probably one of the harder maps for runners.&nbsp; They would totally have to redeem themselves this week to pull it off.<br /><br />As it stands KGB 2-1<br /><br />[size=3][b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Electric Bills[/b][/size]<br /><br />No connection problem plz kthnx.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1420, 161, 11, 1264037910, 8, 1420, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@zdaemon.org', '173.76.243.216', 1, 0, '', 'http://humanbones.unidoom.org/map03.108.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1386, 161, 11, 1263391705, 86, 1386, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '198.86.116.235', 1, 0, '', 'Hey asshole admins deleting my posts! here:<br /><br />&quot;Crystar<br /><br />DMR 50-0 SUC<br /><br />go blair!!!&quot;', 'xx', 1);
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	(1387, 161, 11, 1263419776, 19, 1387, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/210609/1245631525.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1421, 161, 11, 1264038553, 49, 1421, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20466191/blairdmrvssuc.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1215, 148, 11, 1260356134, 10, 1290, 'Winter 2010 Franchise/Draft Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 1260933589, 'mikefails', '# | Player | Team<br />[hr]<br />[b]CAPTAINS[/b]<br />CP	Shadow Ghost	Spread Eagles<br />CP	Ladna 	Flag Steelers<br />CP	DOOMGUY666	Doom Raiders<br />CP	Tai	Killing Browns<br />CP	Xenaero	Electric Bills<br />CP	Shakal	Berserker Packers	<br />CP	Mantis-X	Brokeback Cowboys<br />CP	Ralphis	Super Chargers<br />[hr]<br />[b]FRANCHISED PLAYERS[/b]<br />FR	HumanBones	Spread Eagles	<br />FR	Midian	Electric Bills		<br />FR	Cha0tix	Berserker Packers<br />FR	ItalianStallion	Brokeback Cowboys	<br />FR	Nostar	Super Chargers<br />[hr]<br />[b]NON-FRANCHISED TEAM PICKS[/b]<br />1	Whiteboy567	Flag Steelers<br />2	Jenova	Doom Raiders<br />3	Mikehail	Killing Browns<br />[b]ROUND 1[/b]<br />1	METALBLACK	Spread Eagles	<br />2	Gyrossman&nbsp; 	Flag Steelers<br />3	Dragan	Doom Raiders	<br />4	Oath&nbsp; 	Killing Browns	<br />5	Collision	Electric Bills	<br />6	Fastidious&nbsp;  	Berserker Packers	<br />7	RottKing	Brokeback Cowboys<br />8	Rosebird	Super Chargers<br />[hr]	<br />[b]ROUND 2[/b]<br />9	Goatface	Spread Eagles	<br />10	Sabertooth&nbsp; 	Flag Steelers<br />11	Killingblair&nbsp; &nbsp; 	Doom Raiders	<br />12	DevastatioN	Killing Browns	<br />13	Legion	Electric Bills	<br />14	Beast 	Berserker Packers	<br />15	Acolyte	Brokeback Cowboys<br />16	Dew&nbsp;  	Super Chargers<br />[hr]<br />[b]Remaining Free Agents[/b]<br />Brainthunk<br />Fluffles<br />HeavenWraith<br />Killemall<br />Mistopher<br />Nero<br />Roscoe<br />Strangle<br />X-Ray', 'xx', 1);
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	(1293, 152, 3, 1260988224, 2, 1293, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.47.143', 1, 0, '', 'We obviously can&#039;t trust a guy who has trouble pronouncing humanbones, why would you believe him about this???&nbsp; In fact, he has a long history of garbled words, this is half the fun of the live draft!&nbsp; Also,<br /><br />[quote author=Shakal link=topic=152.msg1287#msg1287 date=1260914866]<br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=152.msg1286#msg1286 date=1260912640]It&#039;s PRIV, like PRIVILEGED, and while it might be short for PRIVATE, pronouncing it to rhyme with jive is retarded.[/quote]<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1388, 161, 11, 1263421486, 75, 1388, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', 'the door will win all 4 matches', 'xx', 1);
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	(1437, 162, 11, 1264285752, 19, 1437, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=16pt][color=#c00709]B[/color][color=#bf280b]r[/color][color=#bf490d]o[/color][color=#be6a10]k[/color][color=#be8b12]e[/color][color=#c0a907]b[/color][color=#9bae0a]a[/color][color=#76b30e]c[/color][color=#50b811]k[/color] [color=#07c011]C[/color][color=#0b8c4a]o[/color][color=#105884]w[/color][color=#070cc0]b[/color][color=#350ebd]o[/color][color=#6210ba]y[/color][color=#9012b7]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#c00907]F[/color][color=#b10a19]l[/color][color=#a20c2c]a[/color][color=#940d3e]g[/color] [color=#761063]S[/color][color=#671275]t[/color][color=#591387]e[/color][color=#4a1599]e[/color][color=#3b16ac]l[/color][color=#2c18be]e[/color][color=#1e19d0]r[/color][color=#0f1be3]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BBC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]FLS[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9568;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552; [size=5][b][color=brown]DIVISION[/color][/b][/size] &#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9571;[/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />Even [s]Whiteboy[/s] Malcolm in the middle won&#039;t be able to stop the onslaught that is Mantis and Stallion. I suspect Ladna will be playing a lot of defense in the event that the Brokeback Brothers will punch through White&#039;s relentless middle defense/offense/support/whatever the fuck. There&#039;s a [b]lot[/b] of timing and position-related strategy on this intense, claustrophobic fragmap, so it will be up to both teams to utilize that for their advantage. I think in the end, neither team will emerge the victor. It all falls squarely on Gyross to pull out a win for FLS here.<br />[center][b]BBC 1-1 FLS[/b][/center]<br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#663311]K[/color][color=#6f3912]i[/color][color=#773e13]l[/color][color=#804414]l[/color][color=#894915]i[/color][color=#924f16]n[/color][color=#9a5417]g[/color] [color=#ac5f1a]B[/color][color=#b4651b]r[/color][color=#bd6a1c]o[/color][color=#c6701d]w[/color][color=#cf751e]n[/color][color=#d77b1f]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#c09807]E[/color][color=#b28d07]l[/color][color=#a58206]e[/color][color=#977706]c[/color][color=#896d05]t[/color][color=#7b6205]r[/color][color=#6e5704]i[/color][color=#604c04]c[/color] [color=#453603]B[/color][color=#372b02]i[/color][color=#292102]l[/color][color=#1b1601]l[/color][color=#0e0b01]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]KGB[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]EBL[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9568;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552; [size=5][b][color=brown]DIVISION[/color][/b][/size] &#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9571;[/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />I&#039;ll play KGB 1v3 because I think there&#039;s only one dude I can actually rely on within my own ranks at this point. Well, maybe 2v3. Two EBL getting on for the match would be spectacular. If we get three we should win the game automatically without even playing, because it&#039;d be [b]that[/b] amazing. Lay your weapons down and walk away.<br /><br />On the positive side, we got in a full two rounds of practice this week. :D<br />[center][b]KGB ?-? EBL[/b][/center]<br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#6e6e6e]D[/color][color=#656565]o[/color][color=#5c5c5c]o[/color][color=#535353]m[/color] [color=#404040]R[/color][color=#373737]a[/color][color=#2e2e2e]i[/color][color=#252525]d[/color][color=#1c1c1c]e[/color][color=#121212]r[/color][color=#090909]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=16pt][color=#000000]B[/color][color=#0b0101]e[/color][color=#160202]r[/color][color=#210404]s[/color][color=#2c0505]e[/color][color=#380606]r[/color][color=#430707]k[/color][color=#4e0808]e[/color][color=#590909]r[/color] [color=#6f0c0c]P[/color][color=#7a0d0d]a[/color][color=#850e0e]c[/color][color=#910f0f]k[/color][color=#9c1010]e[/color][color=#a71212]r[/color][color=#b21313]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]DMR[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BSK[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />I see this one getting ugly for BSK fairly quickly if DMR controls the middle with frag power while Jenova or Dragan runs flags. support is critical for them in this map. Although what will likely happen is BSK&#039;s runners being able to snake their way around DMR&#039;s defense and keep them chasing their own flag, thereby preventing them from getting a foothold and any flags on BSK. Hate to say it, but it doesn&#039;t look so good for DMR here. Surprise me!<br />[center][b]DMR 1-2 BSK[/b][/center]<br />[hr]<br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#0744c0]S[/color][color=#0849c0]u[/color][color=#094fc0]p[/color][color=#0a54bf]e[/color][color=#0b59bf]r[/color] [color=#0d64bf]C[/color][color=#0e6abf]h[/color][color=#0e6fbe]a[/color][color=#0f74be]r[/color][color=#107abe]g[/color][color=#117fbe]e[/color][color=#1284bd]r[/color][color=#138abd]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#196758]S[/color][color=#246c5e]p[/color][color=#2f7164]r[/color][color=#3a766a]e[/color][color=#447a70]a[/color][color=#4f7f76]d[/color] [color=#658982]E[/color][color=#708e88]a[/color][color=#7b938e]g[/color][color=#859794]l[/color][color=#909c9a]e[/color][color=#9ba1a0]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]SUC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]SPE[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />Game of the week, easily. What&#039;s interesting to note is that Bones is 6-0 in regular season wins against Ralphis. Will that hold up this game? I don&#039;t know why anyone hasn&#039;t been posting scores for this game. I probably missed something but you all [b]suc[/b]k, that&#039;s fact. I can see Bones and Ralph clashing a lot in the middle when running for each others&#039; flags. I think this game really lies in the hands of Fastidious who has apparently been having connection problems to TT, or so I hear. If he&#039;s in top shape for the game I can see this being really close, even in SUC&#039;s favor. Ralph is a powerful runner and nostar can defend when he wants to. Bones is also a good runner with a powerful SSG while I think Denny and MB would be best suited covering him in the middle. But will it be enough to end SUC&#039;s lossless streak?! I hope so. Thus I&#039;m calling it in SPE&#039;s favor. Either way, I expect a really close game.<br />[center][b]SUC 1-2 SPE[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1294, 153, 11, 1260999666, 22, 1294, 'Post-Draft Predictions', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Tuesday, December 15th marked the beginning of the seventh season as the bi-annual draft happened. Now that teams are complete and solidified, what are everyone&#039;s pre-season predictions?<br /><br />Final Rosters:<br /><br />SPE - Shadow, Bones, Metalblack, Goatface<br />FLS - Ladna, Whiteboy, gyrossman, Sabertooth<br />DMR - Doomguy, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair<br />KGB - Tai, Mikehail, Oath, DevastatioN<br />EBL - Xenaero, Midian, Collision, Legion<br />BSK - Shakal, cha0tix, Fastidious, Beast<br />BBC - Mantis, Stallion, Rottking, Acolyte<br />SUC - Ralphis, Nostar, Rosebird, dewww', 'xx', 1);
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	(3227, 362, 14, 1294843896, 2, 3227, 'Re: W2011 IDL-R Free Agent - Trade History', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.217', 1, 0, '', 'Heavenwraith added to free agency.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1591, 179, 11, 1267297891, 7, 1591, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.3.161', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />For me quitting that one season it was due to bs like this&nbsp; (i.e. Ralphis magically instating the rule [b]AFTER[/b] the draft that teams must have 4 players). Screwing with the board is essentially how I was able to join after the deadline anyways.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I agree that changing the rules after the fact is gay.&nbsp; It&#039;s stuff like this that the administration tries to avoid, but we don&#039;t always succeed.<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Unrelated to my JEWelery, if you don&#039;t see the rigging first hand you would make a great Congressman. Franchising was meant to keep certain guys winning all the time.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />How would you know?&nbsp; You weren&#039;t around when franchising was being discussed, so I assume you&#039;re referring to the results of franchising.&nbsp; Here&#039;s the Masterbowl matchups for Seasons 5 and 6:<br /><br />Super Chargers (Nostar, Potentpotables, JKist3, Cheez-It) vs. Flag Steelers (Ralphis, Oath, Gilgamesh, Iceykiller)<br />Super Chargers (Nostar, Potentpotables, JKist3, Gyrossman) vs. Brokeback Cowboys (Mantis-X, ItalianStallion, METALBLACK, DeathBRinger)<br /><br />So far only 1 admin has made it (Mantis wasn&#039;t a board member in Season 6).&nbsp; Ralphis, Gilgamesh and Potent all have Masterbowl rings from before the Franchise era.&nbsp; Nostar and Potent were on the successful DSP and WAD teams together.&nbsp; Mantis-X was part of the formidable TXT and TCM squads, and METALBLACK was on the famous perfect-season PAK.&nbsp; It looks like these players don&#039;t really need help winning.&nbsp; In fact, if you look at IDL, you start to get the feeling that some players are just better at this game than others.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s true or not, but I don&#039;t really see how franchising has changed anything.&nbsp; Strong players go far.<br /><br />Furthermore, strong players teamed up long before the franchise era.&nbsp; As mentioned before, Nostar &amp; Potent played together for 4 straight seasons.&nbsp; Ralphis &amp; Humanbones played together on CTB, you and Shakal were briefly on the same team, Chaindude and METALBLACK were on PAK together, and so on.&nbsp; In fact in a way, you are right.&nbsp; We thought that pairing players up that were strong or had good chemistry (or at least didn&#039;t hate each other) would result in stronger teams and better competition.&nbsp; I think that we&#039;re mostly right about that.&nbsp; If teams avoid connection and attendance problems, they generally compete well.<br /><br />And finally, look at the players that teamed up in the franchise era:<br /><br />Tai/METALBLACK, Tai/Cookies, Tai/Mikehail*<br />Xenaero/Doomguy, Xenaero/Sabertooth, Xenaero/midian<br />Nostar/Potent, Nostar/Potent, Ralphis/Nostar<br />Chain/Whiteboy, Doomguy/Shadow_Ghost*, Doomguy/Jenova*<br /><br />Humanbones/midian, Humanbones/midian, Shakal/Cha0tix<br />Killingblair/Mikehail*, Nero/JKist*, Shadow_Ghost/Humanbones<br />Sabertooth/Caboose, Mantis-X/ItalianStallion, Mantis-X/ItalianStallion<br />Ralphis/Oath, Ralphis/RottKing, Ladna/Whiteboy*<br /><br />[i]* not a franchise[/i]<br /><br />Of all these matchups, here&#039;s the ones that made it to the conference finals:<br /><br />Nostar/Potent vs. Chain/Whiteboy<br />Humanbones/midian (and Ladna) vs. Ralphis/Oath<br /><br />Xenaero/Sabertooth vs. Nostar/Potent<br />Humanbones/midian (and mikehail) vs. Mantis-X/ItalianStallion<br /><br />The only admin members who made it (over two seasons) were Bones, me, Ralphis and Mike.&nbsp; All this is to say that if we enacted franchising so we could create super teams that won everything, then we seriously failed... so no problem then!&nbsp; It&#039;s also worth mentioning that the only duos that stuck together for more than one season are Nostar/Potent, Humanbones/midian, and Mantis-X/ItalianStallion.&nbsp; 3 out of 16 possible matchups isn&#039;t what I would call a concerted effort to keep certain teams winning all the time.<br /><br />The administration&#039;s actions this season run counter to your argument as well.&nbsp; Mantis, Denny, Goatface and I wouldn&#039;t want a strong BSK, so why would we allow a (quite strong actually) duo of Shakal and Cha0tix on it?&nbsp; Mikehail &amp; Ralphis wouldn&#039;t want a strong DMR, and furthermore they had a few games against WDC teams, so why would we want to put LordBritish on that team?<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Got people talkin&#039; about how they don&#039;t want anymore crippled games but wouldn&#039;t hesitate to have &#039;em if it meant their team would win. ::)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Haha, I have no class, it is true.&nbsp; On the other hand, why should I punish my team because my opponents can&#039;t get their act together?&nbsp; Why shouldn&#039;t I take advantage of an easy win for my team?&nbsp; In fact, whenever we face a team that can&#039;t get 3 players on, I ask my team what they want to do.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good policy to force players to do things they don&#039;t want to do, but personally I don&#039;t have a problem with 3v2.&nbsp; I guess I should say that my team has a lot more class than I do, and so far has refused to 3v2 other teams.<br /><br />From a league administration standpoint though, it&#039;s clear that 3v2 isn&#039;t helpful to the league, so we&#039;re most likely going to require that teams get 3 players together.<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />And yes, DMR got a better team in my eyes and Shak is lucky I was jewed in but I feel DD&#039;s team should have been handled better than it was.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />How?&nbsp; Should we have given them LB instead of letting them trade Collision to free agency for Strangle?&nbsp; Then what would we have done with DMR?&nbsp; I mean, I admit that not inviting British into the league was a big mistake; it was a miscommunication actually, and when it was realized it was too late.&nbsp; In fact, I&#039;m glad that he&#039;s gotten a chance to play on DMR.&nbsp; And I also feel bad that Xen&#039;s had such a crappy season, and is kind of getting dumped on in this thread.&nbsp; He&#039;s a solid captain and player, and he does his best for his teams without expecting handouts.&nbsp; Let&#039;s not forget his stellar showing last season, when he&nbsp; (and Sabertooth/Collision) only lost to SUC on their gay MAP08 stronghold.<br /><br />Anyway, no matter what we did this season, a team was screwed.&nbsp; It&#039;s not like we decided that team was going to be EBL, and it&#039;s not like we like the other teams more than we like the players on EBL.&nbsp; It&#039;s just the way things ended up.&nbsp; To me, the only reasonable alternative would&#039;ve been to strictly adhere to the rules, but then maybe more people would be saying things like:<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Also the board seems pretty spineless now that I think about them too.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />To be honest, I can&#039;t think of anything that the administration does that really requires &quot;spine&quot; so to speak.&nbsp; Maybe enforcement of the rules.&nbsp; I am kind of spineless in that regard, I usually leave the dirty work to Ralphis :) .<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />The reason being DMR and BSK got better results due to some buttfuckery.<br /><br />Going &quot;out on a limb&quot; to help doesn&#039;t mean its fair.&nbsp; ;)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t even know what this means.&nbsp; All of us in the administration helped these teams out to the detriment to our own teams.&nbsp; And are you in favor of fairness, or are you in favor of &quot;buttfuckery&quot; to help teams out?&nbsp; Because if you didn&#039;t want us to help BSK out, then you could easily have not joined.&nbsp; Anyway, the only thing we got in return for our actions was a stronger league and happier players.&nbsp; There were no reacharounds, heh.<br /><br />On the other hand, I&#039;d like to think that if we address the issues you&#039;ve brought up in some way that you&#039;ll entertain the idea of playing in IDL in the future.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[quote]Ladna says some mean things about other players[/quote]<br /><br />Don&#039;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t have anything against anyone.&nbsp; But when we&#039;re evaluating who would be a good captain, here are things we look for:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Do they have experience in IDL[/li]<br />[li]Can they reasonably lead a team, or can they get advice from someone who will help them[/li]<br />[li]Have they screwed us before[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />I don&#039;t think that captains try and mess IDL up, and I don&#039;t want to imply that they do.&nbsp; But we&#039;d be remiss if we didn&#039;t take captains quitting former teams into consideration.&nbsp; I&#039;m sorry if you guys feel like you were attacked, but all of the things I said were true.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying that anyone&#039;s done anything wrong, but when we&#039;re considering potential captains we have to use past actions as potential future behavior.&nbsp; That said, whenever anyone captains we&#039;re honestly grateful; especially when they take over teams that are failing, or a team that did well in the previous season and consequently has a low pick.&nbsp; It&#039;s no accident that the majority of admins are also captains; it basically ends up that we can&#039;t get anyone else to do it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t remember who was and wasn&#039;t in favor of Nero captaining, but I remember that when he quit I wished he didn&#039;t, because now we had to find someone who wanted to captain SPE.&nbsp; Getting captains on board is easily the hardest part of getting a season together.<br /><br />I&#039;d be extremely happy if all the captains and players returned next season.&nbsp; I&#039;ve had a good time playing with you all.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Anyway, I split this thread off again because it was getting heated.&nbsp; Rant and rave away.&nbsp; Booooo Ladna!<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(5292, 532, 17, 1320926118, 144, 5292, 'Re: A CTF Guide For The New Guys', 'James', 'jam3volution@hotmail.com', '92.30.159.34', 1, 0, '', 'What about this one:<br /><br />[Doom.ConsoleAliases]<br />Name=+sr50l<br />Command=+moveleft;+strafe;+left<br />Name=-sr50l<br />Command=-moveleft;-left;-strafe<br />Name=+sr50r<br />Command=+moveright;+strafe;+right<br />Name=-sr50r<br />Command=-moveright;-right;-strafe<br /><br />[Doom.Bindings]<br />shift=+sr50r<br />z=+sr50l', 'xx', 1);
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	(1296, 153, 11, 1261003359, 20, 1296, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', '[b]SPE - Shadow, Bones, Metalblack, Goatface[/b]<br /><br />This is one of the most well rounded teams in league and I expect to meet them in the conference championships&nbsp; ;)<br /><br />[b]FLS - Ladna, Whiteboy, gyrossman, Sabertooth[/b]<br /><br />This is a solid team, but unfortunately in a conference of even stronger teams... I see these guys ending at 4-4 but ultimately missing the playoffs&nbsp; :(<br /><br />[b]DMR - Doomguy, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair[/b]<br /><br />I like Doomguy a lot, but I feel this is the weakest team in the IDL. I hope they prove me wrong though and make a run for a wildcard.... Great teamwork can go a long way!<br /><br /><br />[b]KGB - Tai, Mikehail, Oath, DevastatioN[/b]<br /><br />This team will be interesting... I think if Tai uses what he has in the right way... I think this team easily make the playoffs and we see an EBL vs KGB wildcard matchup... Who wins.. I dont know!<br /><br />[b]EBL - Xenaero, Midian, Collision, Legion[/b]<br /><br />Another solid team that can go far with the right teamwork. Like I said above... EBL and KGB in the wildcard round!<br /><br />[b]BSK - Shakal, cha0tix, Fastidious, Beast[/b]<br /><br />Another team with a lot of talent on it, but can they ultimately all work together? I see this team getting to the wild card round, but getting eliminated by our very own BBC&nbsp; ;D<br /><br />[b]BBC - Mantis, Stallion, Rottking, Acolyte[/b]<br /><br />Considering my draft pick, I am very happy with my team. We don&#039;t care about any stinking curses around here because after this season there will be no curse! I&#039;m also excited to have Acolyte on the team as I think Aco is a very underrated player and you&#039;ll see some playing time this year if you practice with us!<br /><br />[b]SUC - Ralphis, Nostar, Rosebird, dewww[/b]<br /><br />This team has a good foundation and I think they will make a push for the conference championship game, but it ends there. I see either EBL or KGB ultimately overtaking them and ending up in the Masterbowl.<br /><br /><br /><br />Masterbowl... IMO whoever wins out of the WDC will win the Masterbowl. The WDC is loaded this year and will be one tough conference to make it out of on top.<br /><br />Good luck to everyone! Looking forward to a good season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6297, 617, 20, 1330230558, 213, 6297, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '98.222.82.216', 1, 0, '', 'Cool thread.&nbsp; Gl hf.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1302, 153, 11, 1261075635, 86, 1304, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '75.183.47.140', 1, 1261092020, 'metalblack', '[font=Arial][size=5][u][size=4][b]IDC[/b][/size][/u][/size]<br />[i][size=4][b]<br />IDC North[/b][/size][/i]<br /><br />[size=3][b][KGB][/b][/size] - Tai, Mikehail, Oath, DevastatioN<br /><br />Well what can I say about this team, if Tai actually doesnt go ADD during their games I see them going far. Mikehail has been pretty lazy lately with playing so I am not entirely sure how he will fair during the games unless he steps it up to last seasons standard. Oath is a great runner but not good at anything else, itd be cool to see him play something different or even change his running style as his running style is basic but reliable. Devastation is a good 1 on 1 player but I honestly dont know how he will fair with CTF, I honestly see him on the bench a little more than the other players as he doesnt have as much CTF experience as the other 3, I&#039;d really like to see what he is capable of this season.<br /><br />[size=3][b][EBL][/b][/size] - Xenaero, Midian, Collision, Legion<br /><br />MID, MID AND UM MID? Mid is the backbone of this team to be quite frank, mid is such a great player and does an incredible job at whatever he does, he is especially an awesome defender on zdctf26*hint*. Xenny is a good player but I dislike his negative attitude during game play when he thinks the opposing team is better. He doesnt seem like the motivational type which surprises me he is even a captain, dont get me wrong though, He is a great defender also and has good aim but I think he is going to have to step it up and be a stronger leader. Collision is Collision, if that makes any sense, he can play whatever position, Id say a jack of all trades but a master of none. Legion is an awesome player too, despite what people think about him or say Imo he is on the rise to becoming a great player, I mean nostar and ladna pick on him but I remember when those 2 were newbs and look at them now.<br /><br />[i][size=4][b]IDC South[/b][/size][/i]<br /><br />[size=3][b][DMR][/b][/size] - Doomguy, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair<br /><br />DG is a cool cat but quite simply this is an odd team. DG can play any pos but I see him playing D/mid alot as his aim isnt bad at all. Jenova I see as just their main runner, I&#039;ve seen jen run pretty well on the likes of map08 but havent seen his running skills anywhere else tbh but I still see him doing main running for DMR. Dragan, well um hes DG&#039;s brother I think? KB used to be a nasty D guy but with his absence and ping does he still have it in him? <br /><br />[size=3][b][SUC][/b][/size] - Ralphis, Nostar, Rosebird, dewww<br /><br />Ralphis and Nostar, like it has been said, are two opposites. I for see ego clashes along the way and games being lost due to that. They are 2 great players that can do it all but are also both good leaders with 2 different leading styles. Deww and Rose are great offensive players, Deww is a very tricky runner with a weaker aim but Rose is a she-rambo with pretty wicked aim. I see them being swapped out depending which map is being played.<br /><br />[size=5][u][b]WDC[/b][/u][/size]<br /><br />[size=4][i][b]WDC East[/b][/i][/size]<br /><br />[size=3][b][BSK][/b][/size] - Shakal, cha0tix, Fastidious, Beast<br /><br />Well since Shak and chow have blue balls from Ralph stealing&nbsp; there piece of e-meat I dont know how they&#039;ll do, Shaykul and Chinkotix are like two peas in a pod they&#039;ve played together for years and have slept with each other many of times so I see them being the deciding factor of their games. Fast is a great player but I just dont know how he will fair with shak and chow. Beast will most likely being eating bbq.<br /><br />[size=7][b][SPE][/b][/size] - Shadow, Bones, Metalblack, Goatface<br /><br />All I can say is I hate these guys, they all suck. <br /><br />[i][size=4][b]WDC West[/b][/size][/i]<br /><br />[size=3][b][BBC][/b][/size] - Mantis, Stallion, Rottking, Acolyte<br /><br />Mantis and Stall, they work great together and I know first hand, we made it pretty far last season and I know they have it in them to do it again. I remember when rott was a nasty player, just cleaning house and taking names, then I remember when he just turned to dog poop, I really hope he gets back to where he once was because that will be a destructive roster with stall and mantis hanging back in the base/mid while rott walks in and comes out with the flag like it aint yo business. Aco is a decent d, but Ive only seen him D one map, map04, which isnt a map this season so we&#039;ll just have to see where he is placed.<br /><br />[size=3][b][FLS][/b][/size] - Ladna, Whiteboy, gyrossman, Sabertooth<br /><br />Ladna, White and Gyross should be there starting lineup, I dont see saber much anymore and he apparently has connection/computer issues? So I dont know how he will fit into the mix. I know white hates it but he will have to d this season, ladna is strong but with alot of the offensive power of these idl teams this season it will be hard to lock down the base by himself. Gyross is a guy you can say &quot;go get the flag&quot; and he does exactly what you tell him to do, and sometimes without any help at all. Great team if people are placed correctly.<br />[/font]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1300, 153, 11, 1261024674, 19, 1300, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', '[b][size=20pt][color=#0744c0]I[/color][color=#0742b9]n[/color][color=#073fb3]t[/color][color=#063dac]e[/color][color=#063ba6]r[/color][color=#06389f]n[/color][color=#063698]a[/color][color=#053492]t[/color][color=#05318b]i[/color][color=#052f84]o[/color][color=#052d7e]n[/color][color=#042a77]a[/color][color=#042871]l[/color] [color=#042363]D[/color][color=#03215d]o[/color][color=#031e56]o[/color][color=#031c4f]m[/color] [color=#021742]C[/color][color=#02153c]o[/color][color=#021335]n[/color][color=#02102e]f[/color][color=#010e28]e[/color][color=#010c21]r[/color][color=#01091a]e[/color][color=#010714]n[/color][color=#00050d]c[/color][color=#000207]e[/color][/size][/b]<br />===============================================<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][KGB] [color=#663311]K[/color][color=#6f3912]i[/color][color=#773e13]l[/color][color=#804414]l[/color][color=#894915]i[/color][color=#924f16]n[/color][color=#9a5417]g[/color] [color=#ac5f1a]B[/color][color=#b4651b]r[/color][color=#bd6a1c]o[/color][color=#c6701d]w[/color][color=#cf751e]n[/color][color=#d77b1f]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Tai, Mikehail, Oath, DevastatioN[/b]<br /><br />This team is going to die by my hand.<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][EBL] [color=#c09807]E[/color][color=#b28d07]l[/color][color=#a58206]e[/color][color=#977706]c[/color][color=#896d05]t[/color][color=#7b6205]r[/color][color=#6e5704]i[/color][color=#604c04]c[/color] [color=#453603]B[/color][color=#372b02]i[/color][color=#292102]l[/color][color=#1b1601]l[/color][color=#0e0b01]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Xenaero, Midian, Collision, Legion[/b]<br /><br />I think we&#039;ll do good. Our players are flexible, which is why I chose them over mostly static players. It figures Tai steals Oath out from under me, preventing a formation of the team that would have wrought Armageddon! But it&#039;s okay. I like the potential Legion shows, hopefully we can shape him up good enough and get him pushed out into the spotlight.<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][DMR] [color=#6e6e6e]D[/color][color=#656565]o[/color][color=#5c5c5c]o[/color][color=#535353]m[/color] [color=#404040]R[/color][color=#373737]a[/color][color=#2e2e2e]i[/color][color=#252525]d[/color][color=#1c1c1c]e[/color][color=#121212]r[/color][color=#090909]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Doomguy, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair[/b]<br /><br />I really have no idea what Doomguy&#039;s up to with this team. It&#039;s really a mysterious factor. I&#039;ve seen Jenova play multiple roles but mostly offense-related. Interestingly, Doomguy is really good on defense in most maps but prefers offense himself. Dragan I can&#039;t comment too much on because I really don&#039;t pay attention to his style, plus it&#039;s been awhile since I saw him last play so he could be a lot better than before. Blair is finally back after his multi-season ban. Hope he doesn&#039;t drop and run like before. He&#039;s pretty reliable otherwise. Right now it looks like they&#039;re the divisional lackluster team, but that could very well change with a swift defeat to SUC. We&#039;ll see what happens.<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][SUC] [color=#0744c0]S[/color][color=#0849c0]u[/color][color=#094fc0]p[/color][color=#0a54bf]e[/color][color=#0b59bf]r[/color] [color=#0d64bf]C[/color][color=#0e6abf]h[/color][color=#0e6fbe]a[/color][color=#0f74be]r[/color][color=#107abe]g[/color][color=#117fbe]e[/color][color=#1284bd]r[/color][color=#138abd]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Ralphis, Nostar, Rosebird, dewww[/b]<br /><br />Nostar and Ralphis are complete opposites, and this is the team&#039;s greatest strength, and also greatest weakness. It&#039;s cliche but anyone who knows how these guys play, and watches/participates in priv knows it&#039;s the truth. The most interesting part to me is how Ralph uses this roster in different games. Will he switch it up? Dewww and Rosebird are great runners on different maps. He hypes his team up as the one that&#039;s going to take the masterbowl this season. He&#039;s done it before with The Best Around, but can he do it again? Teams are far more balanced this season, I believe.<br />[23:16:37] &lt;@Ralphis&gt; ive got a few tricks up my sleeve<br /><br />===============================================<br />[b][size=20pt][color=#c0070f]W[/color][color=#b7070e]o[/color][color=#ae060e]r[/color][color=#a5060d]l[/color][color=#9b060c]d[/color] [color=#89050b]D[/color][color=#80050a]o[/color][color=#770409]o[/color][color=#6e0409]m[/color] [color=#5b0307]C[/color][color=#520306]o[/color][color=#490306]n[/color][color=#400205]f[/color][color=#370204]e[/color][color=#2e0204]r[/color][color=#250103]e[/color][color=#1b0102]n[/color][color=#120101]c[/color][color=#090001]e[/color][/size][/b]<br />===============================================<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][BSK] [color=#000000]B[/color][color=#0b0101]e[/color][color=#160202]r[/color][color=#210404]s[/color][color=#2c0505]e[/color][color=#380606]r[/color][color=#430707]k[/color][color=#4e0808]e[/color][color=#590909]r[/color] [color=#6f0c0c]P[/color][color=#7a0d0d]a[/color][color=#850e0e]c[/color][color=#910f0f]k[/color][color=#9c1010]e[/color][color=#a71212]r[/color][color=#b21313]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Shakal, cha0tix, Fastidious, Beast[/b]<br /><br />Still can&#039;t believe Shak and Chow are playing this season. This can be a very dangerous combo, if they get into practice again. Fastidious is great support but I&#039;m wondering who is going to play defense, because the other players don&#039;t strike me as anything other than offense. This team is probably who I&#039;m going to be watching the most. From what I know, they&#039;re precariously placed right now in the mix of all the teams. The first week should tell a lot more about how they mesh.<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][SPE] [color=#196758]S[/color][color=#246c5e]p[/color][color=#2f7164]r[/color][color=#3a766a]e[/color][color=#447a70]a[/color][color=#4f7f76]d[/color] [color=#658982]E[/color][color=#708e88]a[/color][color=#7b938e]g[/color][color=#859794]l[/color][color=#909c9a]e[/color][color=#9ba1a0]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Shadow, Bones, Metalblack, Goatface[/b]<br /><br />This team has so much sheer [b]power[/b] it&#039;s ridiculous. But let&#039;s all remember SOM...Looked crazy strong on paper, and failed hardcore early on and consistently from that point forward. If they can establish a foothold in the first few weeks with crushing sweeps, the intimidation factor alone will influence games in their favor. Even a crushingly powerful team can still lose in the playoffs, though. (Right Chain??) Hopefully they won&#039;t get lazy and get taken advantage of.<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][BBC] [color=#c00709]B[/color][color=#bf280b]r[/color][color=#bf490d]o[/color][color=#be6a10]k[/color][color=#be8b12]e[/color][color=#c0a907]b[/color][color=#9bae0a]a[/color][color=#76b30e]c[/color][color=#50b811]k[/color] [color=#07c011]C[/color][color=#0b8c4a]o[/color][color=#105884]w[/color][color=#070cc0]b[/color][color=#350ebd]o[/color][color=#6210ba]y[/color][color=#9012b7]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Mantis, Stallion, Rottking, Acolyte[/b]<br /><br />I&#039;m praying for you Rott. Break that curse.<br /><br />[b][size=20pt][FLS] [color=#c00907]F[/color][color=#b10a19]l[/color][color=#a20c2c]a[/color][color=#940d3e]g[/color] [color=#761063]S[/color][color=#671275]t[/color][color=#591387]e[/color][color=#4a1599]e[/color][color=#3b16ac]l[/color][color=#2c18be]e[/color][color=#1e19d0]r[/color][color=#0f1be3]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[b]Ladna, Whiteboy, gyrossman, Sabertooth[/b]<br /><br />Ladna actually picked a good team for being the achievement-avoiding scum-sucker that he is. Like Fast said I don&#039;t think anyone other than White would D, apart from maybe Saber, but I know from experience he doesn&#039;t like it. Ladna admits he hates it, and gyross is a runner. That team needs DEFENSE! If the captain pulls together a good enough plan, he can end the games quickly before the other teams can get a foothold and slowly capture flags.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1301, 154, 11, 1261030436, 46, 1301, 'Re: IDL Round Table + Draft Recording', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '67.160.166.116', 1, 0, '', 'Just got done listening to it.&nbsp; Thanks much, Mantis!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1303, 153, 11, 1261084742, 30, 1303, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.185', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br /><br />IDC North<br /><br />[KGB] - Tai, Mikehail, Oath, DevastatioN<br /><br />Tai is one of the best defensive players out their but in his past he was more of an offensive/supportive player. Hence his love for supermanning. I think that Tai is best suited when he is moving around so I look forward to him not sitting back on D all season. Mikehail is good at running on both vertical and flat maps whereas I think Oath is best on flat maps....so I think they should be interchanged accordingly or both used depending on the situation, DevastatioN is a seasoned 1 on 1 self proclaimed doomgod, but in ctf...well he can be seen on the receiving end of Kandy_Kids twice as simple highlight. Being that Dev is probably equal to or above the fragging ability of Tai I think he will be used for defense. He would excel on D.<br /><br />[EBL] - Xenaero, Midian, Collision, Legion<br /><br />DD is cool I see him or Mid playing Mid or D....lol, wrote it like that on purpose. Collision has grown alot and I think he is best suited as a defensive player but he does have the ability to be offensive. Legion I have not seen play maybe once so idk?<br /><br />IDC South<br /><br />[DMR] - Doomguy, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair<br /><br />Jenova can get flags and in addition to that he can play all the other positions, so depending on the map his role might change. Doomguy hacked back in the day so his aim must be spectacular I see him playing D almost as good as Natural. Blair and dragon will probably be the mid/floater guys that go around killing mofo&#039;s. <br /><br /><br /><br />[SUC] - Ralphis, Nostar, Rosebird, dewww<br /><br />Ralphis an innovative thinker showed off some of his best skills in this raid we did a while back, he was aliased as the peoples champ or some shit and he was holding down defense like a bunch of white cops and a black man in LA in 1994. In addition to this he can also run like a black man running from the cops in 1994 in LA. So he will probably be doing one of those two things. Nostar usually spams depending on the map but when he puts down his RL his SSG is exceptional at best. He tends to stand in positions to frag repeated movements, if incoming attackers vary from this, his overrated skills get ridiculously exploited. So I see him trying to D and failing. Rosebird is fucking sexy. Dewww has an accent. Rosebird might have an accent too but its probably sexy. <br /><br /><br />WDC<br /><br />WDC East<br /><br />[BSK] - Shakal, cha0tix, Fastidious, Beast<br /><br />mofo&#039;s just don&#039;t know about the alamonedness that will be dished out<br /><br /><br />[SPE] - Shadow, Bones, Metalblack, Goatface<br /><br />Shadow, can play all positions but in this situation I see him playing offense with bones while metalblack and goatface are taking care of defense...I also see this squad as a contender because of all SSG strength <br /><br />WDC West<br /><br />[BBC] - Mantis, Stallion, Rottking, Acolyte<br /><br />Mantis strikes me as a player best suited to run or sit in the middle and control the field, stallion will probably be the main runner while Rotting and acolyte get assigned defense<br /><br />[FLS] - Ladna, Whiteboy, gyrossman, Sabertooth<br /><br />Ladna is a great programmer, he is also great at mis-interpreting my awful forum grammar. I think he should probably play the middle because the middle guy has to think about who they are going to help and or support and they have to do it in a reacting fashion so if he is able to speed up his thinking ability and implement it he will be best suited supporting the middle. Whitebouy, my ni66a, is a well rounded player and can play any position, defense, offense doggystyle, middle etc... Sabertooth has a running style similar to mike and oaf. I see him and white running but white will fall back and play d eventually. I hear Gyrossmann is good, but I haven&#039;t really played with him. However I have eaten many Gyro sanwhiches and platters..btw its pronounced (euro), at least the greeks pronounce it that way. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1471, 166, 11, 1265343875, 2, 1471, 'Re: Week 5 (Feb 1 - Feb 7) : ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.38.240', 1, 0, '', '[IMG]http://i47.tinypic.com/n6we3d.jpg[/img]<br />[IMG]http://i50.tinypic.com/m9uidy.png[/img]<br />[IMG]http://i48.tinypic.com/24zdcoh.png[/img]<br /><br />GGs BBC, nero was a loon that last game, he probably got more flags this game than I will all season D:', 'xx', 1);
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	(6613, 639, 21, 1333332335, 46, 6613, 'Re: IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '99.29.118.108', 1, 0, '', 'I look forward to it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2609, 272, 1, 1285975037, 222, 2609, 'Re: 1st Annual McIntosh Duel Invitational', 'Cecil', 'DarkCecil05@gmail.com', '69.68.83.14', 1, 0, '', 'Sweet! I can probably start playing some of my games tomorrow evening if my opponents are available. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(6907, 673, 17, 1338067650, 75, 6907, 'Re: is odamex ready for idl competition?', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'frankly? i agree, oda is not ready. there&#039;s a ton of little things that keep annoying me. its high ping gameplay creates a new standard to learn (no, it&#039;s not like playing on low ping). the ingame wad downloading easily surpasses zdaemon&#039;s radar and skulltag&#039;s medals for the worst feature ever.<br /><br />on the other hand, at this point i support the move for two reasons:<br /><br />1 - the only reason 1.08 isn&#039;t entirely deprecated yet is 1.09&#039;s inability to record demos. we wanted to move even before last season, but we still can&#039;t. yet sticking to increasingly hated 1.08 seems like pure desperation.<br /><br />2 - i used your argument to warn people against a rushed migration for half a year and i still know i am right. on the other hand, i&#039;m not sure oda would be ready even after this season. they NEED feedback from intensive testing and they won&#039;t get it unless we use oda intensively. which we wouldn&#039;t bother with if we stayed at 1.08.<br /><br />3 - no, skulltag is not an option.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7062, 687, 22, 1340214983, 16, 7062, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=RecKle$$_ link=topic=686.msg7060#msg7060 date=1340204119]<br />[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=686.msg7056#msg7056 date=1340164607]<br />[b]Berserker Packers[/b]<br />Traded Capodecima to Free Agency in exchange for GaX (Pre-Season)<br />[/quote]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/gRkaq.gif[/img]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />What the fuck is this supposed to mean? -.-', 'xx', 1);
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	(7308, 715, 17, 1345340709, 16, 7308, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Null link=topic=715.msg7306#msg7306 date=1345334426]<br /><br />[quote]It&#039;s good to see someone else agrees that Strangle is a troll. That works in Skulltag, not in IDL. Little boys inhabit Skulltag. Grown men inhabit IDL, little nublet. : )<br />[/quote]<br /><br />noob plays aow2 and says skulltag suks wtf man<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I said little kids inhabit Skulltag; I didn&#039;t say Skulltag sucked. I know they teach English in Canada if Jenova, Stall, and Prime can speak it. <br /><br />And don&#039;t you mean Zandronum? D:', 'xx', 1);
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	(7917, 765, 25, 1355475703, 157, 7917, 'hey', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.70.171', 1, 0, '', 'where is the captain list? why don&#039;t we get jarin to cap, I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll make a great leader', 'xx', 1);
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	(8399, 827, 17, 1360880927, 15, 8399, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '216.246.246.103', 1, 0, '', 'Rofl, you&#039;re a joke kid, get out.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8577, 846, 29, 1362001677, 145, 8577, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Sign Ups', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.143.203.39', 1, 0, '', 'rofl thanks', 'xx', 1);
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	(8126, 791, 25, 1358039635, 0, 8126, 'Re: BBC? More like BBCya', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.31.32', 1, 0, '', 'Wow. First, I break a team (&#039;s momentum) in the playoffs, and now I break a team for the entire regular season. I must be on a roll here.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8335, 820, 1, 1360477517, 8, 8335, 'Re: cartels paying IDL players to throw games', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://humanbones.unidoom.org/pics/elephants.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4933, 136, 1, 1318096906, 19, 4933, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.183.245', 1, 0, '', ' 8) gg dood', 'xx', 1);
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	(1409, 161, 11, 1263862258, 130, 1409, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'I feel like Denny had one very obvious problem. His head was too big to fit through doorways. Bones i feel for you being on such a gay team, in hindsight I can see this is partly my fault. All of this is really just to say....<br /><br />[size=5][b]SHAK IS THE BEST I CANT BELIEVE THERE WERE DOUBTS[/b][/size]<br />and also denny sux a great deal', 'xx', 1);
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	(1306, 153, 11, 1261160557, 22, 1306, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Nostar is a hater<br /><br />International Doom Conference<br /><br />IDC North<br /><br />Electric Bills (EBL): Xenaero, midian, Collision, Legion<br /><br />I believe this team has a well balanced lineup. I see Xenaero playing D for the majority of the season, he&#039;s a great fragger, and his talents are put to better use on defense rather than offense. Collision was the 2nd best runner last season with 24 caps, when I first saw collision i thought he was a great defender but last season proved that he is a running threat also, however I dont see him quite reaching 24 caps again this season. Legion, although some think he had potential but became a flop, keep in mind that not everybody progresses quickly, recently I have seen some positive things from this guy. He can&#039;t be the lone defender, but he is great assisting on defense. Midian, can play any position, I know first hand. Some people think he can only play D, but I think he should be used as a Mid/O player, he can do it all. I see EBL being the third seed.<br /><br />Killing Browns (KGB): Tai, Mikehail, Oath, DevastatioN<br /><br />This team can easily be one of the elite teams of this season. However, Tai has failed with a great team before (Metalblack &amp; Mantis-X). I see mike doing the full time running, but it would be interesting to see how they use oath, he has a good ssg, but will they have a 2O 1D approach? Dev can be an exceptional defender, but I dont see this team sitting their 2nd/3rd very often. If they can get their act together, I see them winning the IDC.<br /><br />IDC South<br /><br />Super Chargers (SUC): Ralphis, Nostar, Rosebird, dewwww<br /><br />Ralphis is a great player (probably best on O), and Nostar is definately best on D. However, I dont think Ralph can play O very often, unless he feels confident that Rosebird/dewww would be best positioned at mid. I think by picking 2 offense players, Ralphis kinda limited his opportunity to run much&nbsp; this season. Rosebird and dewww are great runners, but it is yet to be seen how they can run on some of the elite defences in the league. This team will be outfragged most of the time, but I still see them coming in second in the IDC.<br /><br />Doom Raiders (DMR): Doomguy666, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair<br /><br />I have seen DG and Dragan play together in priv before and they indeed have good chemistry. Jenova can play O and D. But he&#039;ll need help on running if they want to score a decent amount of flags this season. Depending on the map, i see Jenova/Dragan being sat out for Killingblair to play, who is arguably the best 4th in the league right now. Blair can play some lockdown D, and can hold the fort down pretty well especially on maps where DMR runs the heavy offensive formation. Although I love these guys, I see them falling short this season.<br /><br />World Doom Conference<br /><br />WDC East<br /><br />Berserker Packers (BSK): Shakal, cha0tix, Fastidious, Beast<br /><br />Here is a powerful lineup of talent. Shakal I see being the main runner here, with chow rotating between defensive and mid/o positions. Fast may be best suited to be the defender here. With chow being a great runner also, if he played mid he would be fit well to steal flags brought to the middle by shak and bringing them home. I dont see Beast playing very often. Not much to say about this team, they have great players and will have a successful season. They will finish 3rd seed because SPE will win the division&nbsp; ;)<br /><br />Spread Eagles (SPE): Shadow_Ghost, Humanbones, Metalblack, Goatface<br /><br />I have been more than impressed by my team thus far. They are capable of winning many games even if I dont play (I witnessed this yesterday). Goatface will probably see a decent amount of action this season. However, we are here to play and we are serious, this season is ours. #1<br /><br />WDC West<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys (BBC): Mantis-X, ItalianStallion, Rottking, Acolyte<br /><br />Mantis decided to take the high risk/high reward route this season. I know Rottking has had a rough few seasons, and in the process have seen his dedication and time spent on this game dramatically decrease. But however I do see bright things for this team, because I know mantis will bug the shit out of rott to play, and rott has shown signs that he wants to do well this season. FLS and BBC will fight for the playoff spot because the WDC East will take the other 2 spots.<br /><br />Flag Steelers (FLS): Ladna, Whiteboy567, gyrossman, Sabertooth<br /><br />This team has a well balanced diet(?). Whiteboy is going to HAVE to be the main defender this season, and he is one of the premier defenders in the league at that. Sabertooth could take over defensive duties sometimes if he can get his connection problem fixed. gyrossman is going to have to be the full time runner, which he is great at, but I think he will only score a good amount of flags if he has great cover, which is where ladna is going to have to step up. If ladna can provide exceptional coverage for his flag carrier, This team will have a great scoring season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1308, 155, 11, 1261175889, 10, 1308, 'Re: All it takes is a simple bind!', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m seeing new faces pop up already! Good work, let&#039;s see if we can retain and mold some talent now :P', 'xx', 1);
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	(1311, 153, 11, 1261264907, 69, 1311, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.86.182', 1, 1261265115, 'Goatface', 'Breaking it down by divison:<br /><br />[b]IDC North:[/b] The Tai and DD rivalry heats up as their respective teams, KGB and EBL, seem opposite of each other.&nbsp; EBL has two powerhouse defensive players(Xenaero and midian) and a talented runner(Collision), while KGB has two great runners(mike and Oath) and a ballin&#039; defender(Tai).&nbsp; At this point I see EBL having the slight advantage because KGB has to make their runners work well.&nbsp; Either Oath or mike will have to back off and play a more fragging/supporting role while the other one runs.<br /><br />[b]IDC South:[/b] Ralphis takes over the successful SUC(Ralphis, Nostar, Rosebird, Dewww) and teams up with Nostar to keep it strong.&nbsp; I seem them as stronger than DMR(Doomguy666, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair) but DG says he knows what he&#039;s doing and could surprise me, after all Blair was kicking some ass in priv the other day.&nbsp; If SUC is ever forced to play with both of their euro players they will crumble, but apart from that they have the edge of DMR.<br /><br />[b]WDC East:[/b] After the IDC North, the most interesting division.&nbsp; BSK(Shakal, Cha0tix, Fastidious, Beast) has very talented players, but new maps could be a thorn in their side unless they get around to practicing.&nbsp; SPE(Denny, Bones, METALBLACK and myself) is gonna close the schools and break some fools.<br /><br />[b]WDC West:[/b] Ladna made the most of his draft position but will it be enough to overpower the frag heavy BBC? I think BBC(Mantis-X, Stallion, Rottking, Acolyte) will have a great season due to Rottking breaking his curse so it will be up to FLS(Ladna, Whiteboy567, Gyrossman, Sabertooth) to overcome those heavy fraggers.&nbsp; Sabertooth fixing his issues, Ladna going frag happy or Gyross capturing a ton of flags are all ways to do this.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6298, 617, 20, 1330244567, 157, 6298, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', 'I have literally 0 idea why the old textures were kept in the first place. anyone care to explain why they still remain', 'xx', 1);
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	(1313, 153, 11, 1261429201, 49, 1313, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'By the looks of everyone&#039;s predictions, every win for us will be an upset. I love being the underdog. :)<br /><br />#1', 'xx', 1);
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	(1314, 153, 11, 1261464877, 2, 1314, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.47.143', 1, 0, '', 'Was anybody waiting for my predictions!?&nbsp; Probably not but here goes<br /><br />[size=5][b]International Doom Conference[/b][/size]<br />[b]<br />IDC North[/b]<br /><br />Electric Bills (EBL): Xenaero, midian, Collision, Legion<br /><br />This team is sorta interesting to me, maybe because they are my new rivals?&nbsp; Xenaero has some real flexible players in Collision and midian, I think both could easily fill any roll the other could not.&nbsp; Xen sometimes plays risky on D and I think a little more solid approach by Collision or midian would really help them out this season.&nbsp; The biggest question is if they can produce with the other teams, they have plenty of talent but I think teamwork will play a much more important role than some other teams.&nbsp; Legion is still pretty new and would benefit a lot from some guided practice, but I see him as potentially being one of the best 4ths this season.&nbsp; I think they will take the wildcard spot and who knows from there?<br /><br />Killing Browns (KGB): Tai, Mikehail, Oath, DevastatioN<br /><br />This is gonna be a real interesting team to say the least.&nbsp; I personally think Devastatio[size=5][size=5][u]N[/u][/size][/size] is gonna be the rookie of the year this season.&nbsp; I also hope Tai intends to give him playing time, because I will sit if I must!&nbsp; Tai is a pretty proven player defensively and Oath is one of the better runners so I hope these guys can carry me to the playoffs and beyond!<br /><br />[b]IDC South[/b]<br /><br />Super Chargers (SUC): Ralphis, Nostar, Fastidious, dewwww<br /><br />COLLAPSE!&nbsp; Nah, not really but I would be pretty shocked if they somehow didn&#039;t argue all season since all 4 of these guys have pretty unique ideas and styles.&nbsp; Dewww will have to be the sexy glue that helps them see past their differences to try and make a great team.&nbsp; Ralphis likes to do a lot of weird stuff but if I think Nostar defense, Fastidious middle, and Ralphis offense would be a pretty standard lineup.&nbsp; You guys better play dew, he was the best panelist!!!&nbsp; These guys are guaranteed a playoff spot simply by how bad DMR will be.<br /><br />Doom Raiders (DMR): Doomguy666, Jenova, Dragan, Killingblair<br /><br />This team S-U-X!&nbsp; They are gonna get abused and mistreated all season since Doomguy666 made some real silly picks.&nbsp; I think Killingblair is the best player on the whole damn team, I dunno how he managed to be their 4th :o&nbsp; If this team doesn&#039;t snax out it will be a miracle to say the least.&nbsp; That being said, Doomguy666&#039;s ownership of DMR ends this season.<br />[size=5][b]<br />World Doom Conference[/b][/size]<br /><br />[b]WDC East[/b]<br /><br />Berserker Packers (BSK): Shakal, cha0tix, Rosebird, Beast<br /><br />This team was pretty scary but I think they pretty much traded away the div with Fastidious.&nbsp; Rosebird can frag better than a lot of Americans (myself included) but pinger defense is asking to lose flags.&nbsp; She would probably be best suited to running or maybe mid on some maps.&nbsp; However that means Shakal will need to do something else and chow will be stuck on d, not a combination I see working out real well.&nbsp; With some good practice I can see them maybe making the wildcard spot this season.<br /><br />Spread Eagles (SPE): Shadow_Ghost, Humanbones, Metalblack, Goatface<br /><br />This team is gonna be pretty silly.&nbsp; Any of these guys can play anything better than most people in the league, if not better than all the people in the league.&nbsp; Bones is probably the best defender in the league, while Shadow_Ghost is one of the better runners.&nbsp; Of course, to round out their supercharged team :) they have Metalblack, to bring some sneak into the game.&nbsp; I am happy we play them first, everybody else is gonna be a cakewalk!<br /><br />[b]WDC West[/b]<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys (BBC): Mantis-X, ItalianStallion, Rottking, Acolyte<br /><br />Mantis has made some pretty good choices with what he had, but I just don&#039;t think these guys have what it takes to get to the masterbowl :(&nbsp; If they lose the first 2 weeks Rottking will give up and basically stop playing, so to even have a chance they need to start out strong.&nbsp; Acolyte has been a beast lately, so if that does happen he can probably fill (or overfill) Rottking&#039;s shoes.&nbsp; I think Mantis will let stall run again, even though hes probably way better on d, and he will take that role himself.&nbsp; Rottking will probably end up floating around the middle and chasing butterflies or generally not being very useful.&nbsp; If BSK takes the wildcard I am afraid these guys are out.<br /><br />Flag Steelers (FLS): Ladna, Whiteboy567, gyrossman, Sabertooth<br /><br />These guys I think will win their div handily.&nbsp; They have a great runner, great defense and Ladna, what more can one want in a team??&nbsp; If Whiteboy defends and gyrossman runs, these guys should win most of their games pretty easily.&nbsp; Ladna can sit back and sub in saber and coast to the playoffs!&nbsp; I think this will be one of the most underrated teams this season and I hope they walk all over everybody&#039;s faces and whoop butt!<br /><br />thanx for the format denny, ur a doll', 'xx', 1);
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	(1964, 222, 12, 1276974911, 19, 1964, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.15.224', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tony link=topic=222.msg1943#msg1943 date=1276750007]<br />week 1 demo: http://www.mediafire.com/?myzotht3igg<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Please upload it on the site please I&#039;m begging you please before 8 PM tomorrow night please', 'xx', 1);
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	(2165, 245, 1, 1281085775, 10, 2165, 'Ralphis responds to a jabroni', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Hey everybody, it&#039;s me, Ralphis. I&#039;m gonna take some time to respond to some stuff I was alerted to tonight that Kilgore wrote over on the ZDaemon forums. A lot of the stuff he said is inaccurate, but not hardly unexpected. Let&#039;s have some fun!<br /><br />[quote=Kilgore]there was a time when ralphis was not banned. One day he got upset about something concerning deathzor (which was none of ralphis business mind you) and we suddenly saw this post where he complained to ID about zdaemon.[/quote]<br /><br />This entire version of his story is wrong. Kilgore and I had argued for months about the legality of getwad until Kilgore made some off beat comment about id software not caring. So I sent a simple email, [url=http://lupus.keystone.gr/ralphis-id.pdf]found here[/url] to Todd Hollenshead (with whom I had exchanged a few emails before and since) to ask him whether or not it was legal. He said it wasn&#039;t. Kilgore threw a fit. That&#039;s fine, because I&#039;ve heard that I personally tried to have FBI agents sent to his house before and other ridiculous stuff.<br /><br />[quote=Kilgore]The fact that ID didn&#039;t do anything about it, tells you something about my argument. Do you think they&#039;d let it fly if it were illegal?[/quote]<br /><br />It doesn&#039;t really tell a whole lot. Like Kilgore said, the game is old and I&#039;m sure they did little investigate or care about the situation. However, they did acknowledge that it was illegal at the time and I&#039;m sure they&#039;d continue to do so.<br /><br />[quote=Kilgore]To put things in perspective, these gentlemen tried to get us in legal trouble, which means real life trouble and without any provocation from our side. This went far beyond the &quot;some silly game&quot; realm.[/quote]<br /><br />Once again, please. <br /><br />[quote=Kilgore]And now you are talking about grudges... the only grudge here comes from ralphis who keeps organizing his PR campaigns thinking that he can generate enough pressure to let him back in.[/quote]<br /><br />For the record, I&#039;ve told many others who have attempted to get me unbanned from ZDaemon that I don&#039;t really care if I&#039;m ever unbanned or not, nor did I expect to. I did not advocate Hatred&#039;s current posts, Nostar or Ladna&#039;s recent efforts, or anyone else since I was banned to &quot;pressure&quot; on my behalf. Why would I want to &quot;be allowed&quot; back into a community of old authoritarian jerks? I sent Kilgore an apology email a few years ago (where I never asked or even hinted that I wanted to be unbanned) just on principle, but his heart burns with black hatred. At the end of the day, we&#039;ll both live.<br /><br />[quote=Kilgore]Consequently, ralphis and alexmax are out for good. Get over it. I&#039;ve been totally frank about it, and I really don&#039;t appreciate their PR campaigns being served on our forum.[/quote]<br /><br />Again, I don&#039;t push a PR campaign. I could not care less to go back to ZD&#039;s barren forums, community of yes men, or crap public servers.<br /><br />[quote=Kilgore]When that gentleman got banned from here, he tried to come up with a zdaemon alternative so he could take our players away. That was an attempted resurrection of csdoom (renamed to odamex). He soon realized how much work it is to make and maintain a doom port, so this was abandoned.[/quote]<br /><br />Hilarious. This is wrong on two accounts. First off, that forum post that was linked with the id software emails was posted in April of 2006. However, the first build of Odamex dates back as early as July of 2005 (July 2nd to be exact). I already had my foot well out the front door long before Kilgore thought he pushed me. So yea, that&#039;s incorrect.<br /><br />Yes, of course we wanted to take ZDaemon&#039;s players and we still do! Abandoned? [b]Odamex has had its entire released life span since about ZDaemon 1.08.04.[/b] You want to talk about abandoned? ZDaemon has made barely any progress at all in half a decade, yet Odamex only continues to get better as an engine. Odamex 0.5 is due out in probably less than two weeks and will have had somewhere around 400 changes to the svn since the last stable release. Seems like Kilgore&#039;s brain abandoned his head.<br /><br />[quote=Kilgore]His next attempt was a league running on private servers so ralphis can play on it and also &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot; (by taking zdaemon players out of public servers). That league was IDL. So.... what&#039;s the argument? support a league run by ralphis and whose purpose is to &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot; ? are we crazy here? If you guys want zdaemon to support a league (any league), make sure it doesn&#039;t run on private servers; if it does, then you&#039;re not doing zdaemon any favor and zdaemon will reciprocate.[/quote]<br /><br />Kilgore quotes &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot; twice in here. I&#039;d love to see the full log in which he pulls this quote from. So yea, I ran a league so I could still play and take the best players from the ZDaemon servers and guess what? It worked! Even four years later, I found a way to continue to play with the best players and continue to play with my friends (and make a ton of new ones) despite Kilgore&#039;s wish to see me gone. I don&#039;t want to give myself a pat on the back too much but I&#039;m pretty much the freakin&#039; man. (If I really wanted to take your players that bad, it would take all of two minutes to make the Odamex master server register zservs, hex edit a few things on the ZD serv binaries, and run my own ZDaemon community top to bottom).<br /><br />With that said, the IDL is one of the best things I&#039;ve been apart of and the reason that so many people come out and &quot;pressure&quot; Kilgore and Raider to unban me is because we&#039;ve all become great friends here and know what it&#039;s like to be loyal to each other while still staying competitive and keeping what we love to do alive. I respect and enjoy the presence of almost all of my IDL peers, even the ones that I frequently disagree with (don&#039;t worry, when we disagree and you piss me off you won&#039;t get banned from the IDL). We want other people to become part of the NEW true heart of doom multiplayer, which is IDL. Guess what? We&#039;ll get a lot of them too, regardless of if we ever end up getting to advertise on ZDaemon servers or not. Just a few posts up Fastidious pointed out over 80 players that have come and gone through IDL, not on top of the 32+ players who played this season.<br /><br />I see people talk about how they want ZDaemon to be like what it was all over their forums when I go there on occasion to read up but ZDaemon can never be like it was. It was a different time with different people. Nightfang was young, smart, cool, and [b]in touch with his player base[/b]. Conversely, his player base liked him and were also cool. <br /><br />Raider and Kilgore are so old that when they were in school, history class didn&#039;t exist yet. They have no sense of humor, and have no real apparent love of competitive Doom. If they did, maybe it would be reflected in the community that they allegedly oversee. Maybe they wouldn&#039;t be surrounded by backwoods yes men that would just agree with everything they say. It&#039;s ok to have that fire though! Just imagine, if everybody was allowed to hold grudges with each other as openly as Kilgore and I are doing this week, ZDaemon might be like it was years ago when people actually cared about being good at the game (which is the core foundation of ANY VIDEO GAME COMMUNITY).<br /><br />Unfortunately, the players that don&#039;t stray outside of the main ZDaemon community (or lack thereof) will never be able to have this. They&#039;ll never be able to call Tai a dumb dog dick and tell him his clan sucks all over the forums to watch him get all mad and upset. They&#039;ll never get to witness huge high profile clan wars that do or don&#039;t happen like NG/NS, UD/DUI, UD/DX, SIN/DUI, and others because they&#039;re in a community that will never allow it. Kilgore and Raider want to be baby sitters (and let&#039;s be honest, knowing Raider he would really like this) but rarely lead by example. <br /><br />The pushing and campaigning to get me unbanned year after year is flattering and I love you guys for it, but I can&#039;t save ZDaemon. As long as it&#039;s &quot;run&quot; by such lethargic &quot;admins&quot;, it has no chance regardless of what personalities, talents, or otherwise are there. The ZDaemon engine is fine as long as there is a base of IDL players and latin americans to use it, but the ZDaemon [b]community[/b]? People who are afraid the ZDaemon community is dying, bad news. ZDaemon has been six feet under for about 5 years.<br /><br />With that said, I can assure the IDL community that as long as I&#039;m around I&#039;ll continue to do my best to give you guys a &quot;home&quot; (along with the help of many others throughout the years and surely many new people to come in the future) just as you have helped give ME one. I love Doom and I&#039;m even partial to most of you (no homo).<br /><br />So to cap it off with my final thoughts on the ZDaemon guys. Some 17 year old kid affected their lives so bad with an email half a decade ago that they&#039;re still apparently crying over it. I&#039;m sure this line will ensure I&#039;m banned for another 143 years but [b]what a bunch of women[/b].', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(3776, 411, 14, 1300305891, 213, 3776, 'Re: Season 9 / Winter 2011 Playoffs: The Semifinal Round - Discussion and Results', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '75.186.106.4', 1, 0, '', 'Excellent predictions, Xenaero.&nbsp; Very well thought out.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3610, 398, 14, 1299027070, 2, 3610, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.51.218', 1, 1299027306, 'mikefails', '[u][b]Rookie of the Year: MassVC[/b][/u]<br /><br />Well, I think there were a lot of amazing rookies this season.&nbsp; Higgs is pretty good for never having played doom, yet has a few problems movement wise.&nbsp; Rust isn&#039;t really a rookie, since he was in DUI and has been playing doom for 97 years.&nbsp; Turska has been downright amazing, besides playing at stupid messed up times due to gay captains screwing his team over left and right, yet maintains his composure and rocks it even with a billion milliseconds of ping.&nbsp; MassVC has grown incredibly, honestly I thought he was alright at the beginning of the season, I figured he would make a good 4th.&nbsp; Instead he is probably the most baller 3rd in the entire league and he rocked BSK&#039;s face off even while having weak movement.&nbsp; He has to be hands down, the most grown and current best rookie IDL has ever seen, probably because of that enormous pink thing in his head (no I am not talking about Rus&#039; dick).<br /><br />[u][b]Captain of the Year: Goatface[/b][/u]<br /><br />Why am I agreeing with LB??&nbsp; I have no spine is my guess.&nbsp; But he raises a good point.&nbsp; Goat has pretty much done the unthinkable, gambling his entire season on an idea.&nbsp; Sad to say, the idea wasn&#039;t as good in practice as it was on paper, probably because Sabertooth had about 250% packetloss the first 3-4 weeks of IDL.&nbsp; Did LB mention that he is potentially going to make playoffs as well?&nbsp; Regardless, he had the balls to try it out, fail miserably, and own up to his shortcomings, which is more than anybody can say for most of you schmucks (myself included).<br /><br />[u][b] Comeback Player of the Year: Bloodstrike[/b][/u]<br /><br />Again, why am I agreeing with LB?&nbsp; To be totally fair, this category is sorta retarded, since the only real &quot;returning&quot; players are Hatred (rofl) and Bloodstrike...&nbsp; Did I miss anybody?&nbsp; Hatred quit for 24 hours and Bloodstrike quit for about 2 years, so, I am pretty sure he is the only one who even qualifies for this.&nbsp; Not to say he hasn&#039;t been amazing for having barely played, he has done quite impressively on Legion&#039;s team.&nbsp; Of course the problem with playing for Legion is that he is kinda a moron and probably should still have on training wheels.<br /><br />[u][b]Most Underrated Player: Midian[/b][/u]<br /><br />I had to break from copy/pasting LB&#039;s post!&nbsp; Seriously, have you seen Midian playing?&nbsp; The way people talk about the guy its like he is a 4th, but the dude can rock it.&nbsp; Not only can he rock it, but he did hardcore all over TKV&#039;s face, as well as some other games he really stood out in.&nbsp; He has performed impressively all season, regardless of DMR&#039;s standing.&nbsp; I am not really sure how he got picked so damn late, with a touch of practice he is better than quite a few of the first round picks.&nbsp; I was thinking about Collision as well, as he has been pretty helpful carrying the other side of the Strangle palanquin, which I am very grateful for.&nbsp; However, I do not like voting for teammates, it is classless!<br /><br />[u][b]Most Valuable Player: LordBritish[/b][/u]<br /><br />Definitely the only reason BBC has a positive record, besides the fact that they have had an almost perfect season.&nbsp; Stallion can have 200% frag ratio and get lost in his base all day long, but when you can&#039;t score after getting married, buying a house, and a lambo, that pretty much means you are a loser.&nbsp; Nah it wouldn&#039;t be that extreme, but BBC would be a cakewalk if they had any other player besides LB.&nbsp; Even with my gigantic ego, I am not stupid enough to think I could even attempt to do all that LB has done for this team, nor have the patience to do so :P&nbsp; <br /><br />PS:&nbsp; Devastatio[u][i][b][shadow=red,left][color=blue][size=5]N[/size][/color][/shadow][/b][/i][/u] has been really amazing this season, yet I couldn&#039;t think of a good category to put him under because he is on a pretty solid team.&nbsp; He has been ridiculous on defense though and I doubt BSK would only have a single loss without Dev playing as consistently awesome as he has been this season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4042, 433, 16, 1305210442, 19, 4042, 'Re: The Draft', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.249.152', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=capodecima link=topic=433.msg4041#msg4041 date=1305183747]<br />why is nautilus cap when he is poor ?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I just wanna beat the everloving shit out of you', 'xx', 1);
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	(1309, 156, 11, 1261197325, 14, 5011, 'Ventrilo Server', 'Gilgamesh', 'udgilgamesh@gmail.com', '67.163.166.130', 1, 1318554171, 'Gilgamesh', '...', 'xx', 1);
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	(1307, 155, 11, 1261175110, 0, 1307, 'All it takes is a simple bind!', 'Fastidious', '', '99.151.200.43', 1, 0, '', 'Apparently I managed to generate a bit of interest from new comers in our small community.&nbsp; All I did to do so was spam &quot;join irc.quakenet.org #idl&quot; while I was owning the shit out of a few public games.&nbsp; I figure anyone good enough to recognize I was playing extremely well by public standards might be interested enough to see what the channel is about.&nbsp;  ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(5766, 566, 20, 1324523518, 46, 5766, 'Winter 2012 Draft Recording', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '98.201.113.170', 1, 1324523623, 'Roscoe', 'Sorry I&#039;m late with this.&nbsp; For those who wanted a recording, here it is.&nbsp; Sorry about the huge file size. Ladna says it&#039;ll get archived with all the other existing recordings.&nbsp; So, soon we won&#039;t have to worry about expiring download links! Thanks, Ladna!<br /><br />https://rapidshare.com/files/1548732812/idlwinter2012draft.zip<br /><br />Oh, and if you wanted it in another format (like ogg, for example) I can make this happen.&nbsp; Probably ladna can, too, come to think of it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1312, 153, 11, 1261289638, 0, 1312, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Fastidious', '', '99.151.200.43', 1, 0, '', 'Now that SUC has me, I think they are a much different team.&nbsp; BSK I think is going to be a bit worse off.&nbsp; I thought playing with BSK we&#039;d have a good shot, but TBH I feel even better about team SUC now.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7309, 715, 17, 1345345334, 7, 7309, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '71.46.96.209', 1, 0, '', 'You guys get banned because you&#039;re annoying.&nbsp; I would normally suggest that you stop doing whatever gets you banned, but probably that&#039;s not possible in this case.&nbsp; Instead, maybe it&#039;s better to just get used to being banned.<br /><br />UD ON TOP', 'xx', 1);
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	(1410, 163, 11, 1263899072, 7, 1410, 'Post Demos on Forums Please', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.236.244', 1, 0, '', 'Hey everyone.&nbsp; From now on I want to switch to a &quot;post your demo on the forums&quot; system.&nbsp; Until I get realtime stats working I need a demo from each game in order to update the site and allow players to upload their demos.&nbsp; I can&#039;t be around to spec every game, so I will just harvest the demos from the weekly threads.<br /><br />[b]Guidelines:[/b]<br /><br />- By doing this you fulfill your obligation to upload your demo (provided I can download/decompress it and so on).&nbsp; I will upload your demo to the site for you.&nbsp; If you prefer to wait until idl.org demo uploading is enabled that&#039;s alright too, I&#039;m saying either one is acceptable.<br /><br />- I would prefer it if you compress your demo somehow, but you don&#039;t have to.&nbsp; Please limit yourselves to .7z, .zip, .rar, .gz and .bz2.&nbsp; For example, no .ace.<br /><br />- Please don&#039;t use a service that makes me wait, enter any stupid codes/passwords/captchas, or limits me to X downloads in X time.&nbsp; Speedyshare is the best one I&#039;m aware of, I guess some people have used mediafire (or whatever the hell it&#039;s called)... basically as long as it&#039;s not bitchass it&#039;s fine (rapidshare is not fine).<br /><br />- If you would be so kind, please put your name and the week in the name of the demo.&nbsp; Sure I can rename it, but it will avoid me messing things up.<br /><br />Sorry for all the delay and crappiness.&nbsp; The IDL administration is working to make this not suck.&nbsp; Bear with us&nbsp;  :-* .', 'xx', 1);
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	(2135, 239, 12, 1279869672, 130, 2135, 'Re: Week 7 (Jul 19 - Jul 25) : 32in24-7 MAP27 (MAP32) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '24.33.254.99', 1, 0, '', 'suc vs bbc<br />bbc 2-0<br /><br />fls vs spe<br />fls 2-0<br /><br />kgb vs bsk<br />bsk 2-0<br /><br />ebl vs dmr<br />ebl 2-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(1472, 166, 11, 1265580717, 19, 1472, 'Re: Week 5 (Feb 1 - Feb 7) : ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/070210/1265580567.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/070210/1265580571.png[/img]<br /><br />Demo: http://xen.unidoom.org/doom/idl/xen-s6w5m23-EBLvsSPE-idl2010h.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1305, 153, 11, 1261149661, 130, 1314, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '98.223.190.86', 1, 1261508075, 'nostar', 'I&#039;ll be honest, the teams I see struggling are EBL, DMR and BBC.<br /><br />EBL:<br />I foresee mid&#039;s general lack of availability basically crushing this team&#039;s hope of playing well together. While I think Collision has some useful talents and Xen can frag his way through about 8/10 minutes of every game, unless this team really puts in some serious practice time they&#039;ll struggle to stay above .500.<br /><br />DMR:<br />Doomguy had this idea for a while I hear. I think it was a tragic one. Jen is good and Dragan can run okay, but really DG needs to decide which of those two guys he wants to sit so Blair can play. Blair needs to lead this team with defense and let (imo) Jen do most of the offense for them. IF they come to terms with that, they will most likely make the wildcard, and I suspect lose to KGB.<br /><br />BBC:<br />REAL TALK REAL TALK Rott is cursed.<br />-----------------------------------------------------<br /><br />As for the stronger teams, <br /><br />I think SPE are a bunch of over rated jerks and agree with metalblack.[quote author=metalblack]<br />All I can say is I hate these guys, they all suck. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Week 2 is where we get to see the veteran BSK squad put to the test. I&#039;m pretty excited about that. I foresee a bloodbath for BBC in week 1 though.<br /><br />SUC is going to walk all over the IDC. I can see some of our interconference games being fun though. I will say though I&#039;m looking forward to week 9. <br /><br />Mieksux is a good team. Tai is a dominant defensive player when he is on D. Miek led the league in flags with a ridiculous amount. Oath is a very aggressive runner and can put pressure on the best defenses. So maybe they&#039;ll do all right, OR they&#039;ll flop. Oath not practicing and Tai being a bad captain might kill their mojo. I want to see em play week 1 and then I&#039;ll decide.<br /><br />FLS is the wildcard this year I think. Ladna had the opportunity to get Oath, Fastidious, Collision or Rott and he went with Gyrossman. While I laud the decision to pick one of the most talented european players I think it might bite him in the ass. If I had Ladna&#039;s skill set I might have opted for Oath, a more fraggy runner, or Fast, a more fraggy player! Gyross would be perfect if Ladna had some defensive prowess. If we assume that Whiteboy can have a stellar defensive season,&nbsp; FLS will be on the better side of .500. The two biggest factors in FLS&#039;s success will be Ladna getting practices together and Saber being active and ready to play when needed.<br /><br />My masterbowl prediction: SUC vs BSK<br />(I&#039;m rooting for you Shak!)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1315, 153, 11, 1261515566, 12, 1315, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'RottKing', 'rottking@sbcglobal.net', '99.130.146.147', 1, 0, '', 'I dunno where you&#039;d get the idea that I would give up after only two weeks, last season I may have been pretty negative because of ralph basically having his playing ability cut in half by staying in a crappy trailer, but I would still try to win. I don&#039;t think there&#039;s been any game in recent memory where I&#039;ve given up you big silly.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1316, 153, 11, 1261515858, 130, 1316, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'REALTALK Rott is a contender', 'xx', 1);
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	(1317, 153, 11, 1261534009, 86, 1317, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '75.183.47.140', 1, 0, '', 'Oh pissy balls.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1319, 155, 11, 1261593815, 19, 1319, 'Re: All it takes is a simple bind!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.169', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=155.msg1318#msg1318 date=1261551038]<br /> most importantly your ENEMIES.<br />[/quote]<br /><br /> 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1320, 153, 11, 1261598651, 10, 1320, 'Re: Post-Draft Predictions', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'Actually I was living in a hotel from June to August!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1411, 161, 11, 1263919499, 22, 1411, 'Re: Week 2 (Jan 11 - Jan 17) : ZDCTF03 (MAP03) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Here is my demo Ladner Gunyon<br /><br />http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20434366/IDL-SPEvsBSK-Week02_map03ShadowPOV.108.rar', 'xx', 1);
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	(1650, 185, 11, 1268598417, 2, 1650, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.46.242', 1, 0, '', 'rofl', 'xx', 1);
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	(1654, 152, 3, 1268810719, 19, 1654, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.247.158', 1, 0, '', 'Ladna I finished ur av<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/170310/1268810708.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2166, 243, 12, 1281109836, 15, 2166, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.97.218', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br /><br />Whiteboy<br />Hatred<br />Ralphis<br />Rottking<br />Joshsmith<br /><br />WDC<br /><br />Jenova<br />Saber<br />Mikehail<br />Nostar<br />Rus', 'xx', 1);
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	(6299, 617, 20, 1330244593, 157, 6299, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', 'thats right. there is no explanation. jackasses', 'xx', 1);
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	(3228, 370, 14, 1294849013, 75, 3228, 'Re: Comments during matches...', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.180.128', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=370.msg3226#msg3226 date=1294843827]I do wish there was a way to contain spectators so there was no possibility of information leaking, not certain if there is a way in ZD to handle that possibility though.<br />[/quote]<br />a content filter? that&#039;d be total overkill for such an unlikely problem. we already trust people to behave responsibly and just slap a penalty to them if they breach a rule. kickban the snitch and let tai have a private yoga lesson with him.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8625, 854, 18, 1362788915, 214, 8717, 'Semi-Finals Gametimes', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '65.71.124.96', 1, 1363297317, 'HumanBones', 'Here are the game times for the Semi-Finals. Everyone set your alarms and don&#039;t miss out on the action!<br /><br />SUC vs WAD: Sunday @ 8:15 PM EST<br />SXP vs BSK: Sunday @ 6:00PM EST (March 17th)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1913, 222, 12, 1275898761, 130, 1913, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1275898954, 'nostar', 'I know I already posted but I wanna go ahead and take this opportunity to second Strangle&#039;s assertion that Xen is a terrible captain. He&#039;s just so god damn dumb. However, White is crazy and will dominate that map like Ladna does his toilet. Strangle you&#039;re fucking dead this week, but it won&#039;t be because of Xen&#039;s captaining. White needs no direction, just the anger of the mounties.<br /><br />I&#039;ll just turn this into a corrections post for my previous.<br /><br />Ralph will probably win this week but SUC isn&#039;t that good imo. Gyross is the best of them all and he can only work so many miracles. Rott is just too deep in gay hell to be useful. bam.<br /><br />BSK will lose this week. They suck and so long as LB doesn&#039;t gay out on his ping FLS will eat cake this week. Woo ROOS! And Ladna I guess. LB u blow, but don&#039;t blow it.<br /><br />Hmm, DMR is doomed if my team shows, if not they deserve the win. And Tai is just gonna lose to White so...have a good first week dudes!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1461, 164, 11, 1264910699, 160, 1461, 'Re: Week 4 (Jan 25 - Jan 31) : THIRTY417 (MAP17) - Discussion and Results', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '98.222.41.220', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20662701/Week_4.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1491, 168, 11, 1266060113, 10, 1491, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', 'watch more espn mikehail', 'xx', 1);
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	(1493, 168, 11, 1266117119, 147, 1493, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'Maybe he would understand if you phrased it right.<br /><br />&quot;Playoffs? Don&#039;t talk about.. playoffs? Are you kidding me? Playoffs?&quot;', 'xx', 1);
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	(8524, 843, 17, 1361666267, 8, 8524, 'Re: Franchising.', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'That&#039;s why the thread was created. To gauge interest.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1419, 162, 11, 1264034124, 7, 1435, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.75.49.230', 1, 1264107972, 'Ladna', '[b]Brokeback Cowboys Vs Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />You can run, you can frag, but we&#039;ll still steal yr flags.<br /><br />[b]Killing Browns Vs Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />EBL is toast because Xen can&#039;t get his guys to practice, or they have connection problems, or both.&nbsp; If I were Xen I&#039;d be looking to make some strategic trades, but that might not be possible until after this week: most teams are pretty confident at this point, but Week 3 might change that.&nbsp; It&#039;s a shame too because the combination of Collision/Xen/Mid would normally be formidable on this map, but without practice KGB will send them to Siberia.<br /><br />[b]KGB 2-0 EBL[/b]<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders Vs Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />DMR is another team that needs to practice or die, especially these new IDL maps.&nbsp; Veteran players Cha0tix and Shakal will otherwise make short work of the unprepared Raiders, despite Doomguy&#039;s execution.&nbsp; Jenova had a pretty decent offensive showing against a lagging Nostar, but this map is a little different and I&#039;m not sure what his experience is with it.&nbsp; And I&#039;ve only seen Dragan play 2 IDL games so I don&#039;t know about that guy, but my guess is without practice they&#039;ll get tricked and cockblock each other rampantly.&nbsp; That is, unless more mysterious connection problems plague their opponents again this week...<br /><br />[b]DMR 0-2 BSK[/b]<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers Vs Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />Probably game of the week right here.&nbsp; This map is definitely made for HumanGhost, which will leave METALBLACK free to play the tele game... or maybe Denny will run all over Nostar.&nbsp; So far SUC&#039;s gotten away with holding down reasonably solid D with Ralphis doing his thing on offense, but this week their chances depend on Fastidious&#039; ability to make clutch plays in the middle.&nbsp; That said, a map where offensive timing is key and the entrance to the base is either a noisy gate or a tiny door is cake for Ralph &amp; Star, so SPE&#039;s definitely got their work cut out for them.&nbsp; Ultimately though, I believe this map will come down to execution.&nbsp; SPE &amp; SUC need to put their game faces on and act like the dominant teams they&#039;re advertised to be, and I think after this week we&#039;ll know what each team is really made of.<br /><br />[b]SUC X-X SPE (Watch and find out!)[/b]<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1439, 162, 11, 1264366968, 2, 1439, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.44.157', 1, 0, '', '[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs. Flag Steelers (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />Last week was sad!&nbsp; Instead of fouling FLS they fouled me :(&nbsp; At any rate, these guys will probably be pretty great on this map even though gyrossman probably dislikes it and it can be quite tricky to defend.&nbsp; BBC has been grinding away the practices, presumably to get the jump on their divisional rivals and to head into a strong midseason standing.&nbsp; I am expecting this to be the best game of the week, pitting a super heavy frag team with the worst franchise, against the super sneaky czech antics of gyrossman and the Flag Steelers.&nbsp; I am thinking the Cowboys could take it, they have sure practiced a lot to get the worst franchise up to speed here!<br /><br />[i]BBC 2-1 FLS[/i]<br /><br />[b]Killing Browns vs. Electric Bills (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />Gonna mush xen up good D:<br /><br />[i]KGB 2-0[/i]<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders vs. Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />I think BSK isn&#039;t very strong here compared to some teams but I think they will be strong enough to mush up the Raiders without much fuss.&nbsp; They could put up a good fight if Blair can superhero for his team like all the other games so far and jenny manages to be less than useless on offense but I am not holding my breath.<br /><br />[i]BSK 2-0[/i]<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers vs. Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />After playing against and observing both teams, I think SPE has the advantage this week.&nbsp; Bones is rather impressive defense here and I remember Shadow_Ghost managed to put up quite a few flags last season on this map.&nbsp; It seems like SUC has the advantage in practices, I would put my money on whoever does better supporting this week between Fastidious and Metalblack as bones/nostar and ralphis/denny are pretty close on this map.&nbsp; If BBC/FLS doesn&#039;t pan out, this is my next game to watch!<br /><br />[i]SPE 1-1-1 SUC[/i]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4178, 445, 16, 1307848447, 267, 4178, 'Re: TECHNO VIKINGS TEAM PIC!', 'RecKle$$_', 'darkstarskate_4@hotmail.com', '189.253.0.120', 1, 0, '', 'Massvc you smell', 'xx', 1);
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	(6300, 617, 20, 1330253657, 11, 6300, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '76.198.244.132', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ll play the map... just change the textures!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(6614, 641, 18, 1333345734, 8, 6614, 'Winter 2012 MasterBowl Champions: SGS', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Congratulations to Hatred, Stallion, BloodStrike, and Killforce of the Super Shotgun Spurs for winning the MasterBowl against BBC earlier tonight! SGS had a great season, finishing an astonishing 8-0-1. <br /><br />A special thanks to all the players who participated this season, you made it a great one. We hope to see you all in the Summer! GG&#039;s.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7310, 715, 17, 1345346213, 214, 7310, 'Re: I''m banned', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.179.191', 1, 0, '', 'Basically, the only way anyone gets any sort of long term or semi-permanent ban is if they actually set out to get banned themselves. It&#039;s a thick line to cross and I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve seen any unwarranted ban take place. Even now the #idl banlist is just strangle and Tosen. Speaks for itself.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1462, 165, 1, 1264914517, 19, 1462, 'fixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixit', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/300110/1264914461.jpg][img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/300110/1264914446.png[/img][/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7064, 687, 22, 1340220171, 16, 7064, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', 'Since Bones isn&#039;t online as of this post AND he apparently has blocked me from sending him PMs, I&#039;m just gonna go ahead and say here that I&#039;ll trade Shogun for Capo before someone else beats me to a waiver claim. <br /><br /> ::)', 'xx', 1);
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	(5001, 518, 30, 1318529426, 216, 5001, 'Re: IDL Radio', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.63.70', 1, 0, '', 'This is an amazing idea :) ', 'xx', 1);
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	(5000, 518, 30, 1318529358, 7, 5000, 'Re: IDL Radio', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', ' ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1441, 162, 11, 1264378938, 15, 1441, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.93.217', 1, 0, '', 'SUC Vs. SPE<br /><br />This should be an awesome game, probably the one i&#039;m looking forward to the most.&nbsp; But seeing how both teams have been playing, I gotta give this one to suc.<br /><br />2-1 SUC<br /><br /><br />DMR Vs. BSK<br /><br />DMR has been really underestimated this season, but I do think this one will go to BSK.&nbsp; But will DMR pull another upset?&nbsp; Only time will tell.<br /><br />2-1 BSK<br /><br /><br />KGB Vs. EBL<br /><br />Not much to say on this one.&nbsp; :(<br /><br />2-0 KGB<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1463, 164, 11, 1264987785, 19, 1463, 'Re: Week 4 (Jan 25 - Jan 31) : THIRTY417 (MAP17) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', 'I was hoping for an actual victory since we practiced pretty hard, but unfortunately it turned out to be a gay shitfest. GL to FLS in future games though!<br /><br />Demo: http://xen.unidoom.org/idl/xen-s6w4m17-EBLvsFLS-idl2010h.zip<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/310110/1264987150.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/310110/1264987152.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1473, 166, 11, 1265581390, 22, 1473, 'Re: Week 5 (Feb 1 - Feb 7) : ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20815465/IDL-SPEvsEBL-week5_map23ShadowPOV.108.rar', 'xx', 1);
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	(1442, 162, 11, 1264383827, 19, 1442, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 1264384005, 'Xenaero', 'Well for less than one day of practice with our new member I think we did pretty good.<br /><br />3-1 5-4 KGB, ggs. 8)<br /><br />demo: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20543464/mikeblowsmydick.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1563, 178, 11, 1267137274, 16, 1563, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m in favor of eliminating the bye, too. Only captains have the best chance of playing all 8 games anyways, and even that may not always happen. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1443, 162, 11, 1264384548, 2, 1443, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.44.157', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/484/ctf20100124173014.png[/img]<br />[img]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/2623/ctf20100124173902.png[/img]<br />/hueg<br /><br />GG&#039;s EBL I hope you mush up whoever you play next!!<br /><br />http://www.cdevastation.com/demos/KGB_FLS_DevastatioN.108.zdo<br />http://www.cdevastation.com/demos/idl/KGB_EBL_DevastatioN.108.zdo<br /><br />Devs demos get off my back ladna!!&nbsp; I will upload mine once you get it up to site :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1464, 166, 11, 1265141554, 10, 1464, 'Week 5 (Feb 1 - Feb 7) : ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 5 of IDL Winter 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 5 - ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 5 -&nbsp; ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 5 -&nbsp; ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 5 -&nbsp; ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Killing Browns vs. Brokeback Cowboys<br /><br />Doom Raiders vs. Flag Steelers<br /><br />Electric Bills vs. Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />BYE: Super Chargers and Berserker Packers<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1466, 166, 11, 1265173393, 15, 1466, 'Re: Week 5 (Feb 1 - Feb 7) : ZDUCTF08 (MAP23) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.93.217', 1, 0, '', '2-1 DMR<br /><br />2-0 SPE', 'xx', 1);
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	(1445, 162, 11, 1264388584, 152, 1445, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Rosebird', 'rosebird@hotmail.com', '86.176.142.174', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20543683/IDL_Week_3_Rosenerd.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1446, 162, 11, 1264394757, 38, 1446, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.41.82', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20543858/FLSvBBC.rar<br /><br />ggs BBC&nbsp; 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(6301, 617, 20, 1330298210, 163, 6301, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '108.73.171.245', 1, 0, '', 'I think the original textures were kept in place to maintain the integrity of the author&#039;s map. That being said, that argument doesn&#039;t hold much water because historically, the IDL has edited tons of maps with their star skies, IDL textures/flats amongst other things. It is literally blinding though!<br /><br />As far as boycotting? I don&#039;t think I&#039;ll go that far. While I certainly didn&#039;t want to play it, I seemingly don&#039;t have much of a choice. So I&#039;m not in position to do that anyway. Let&#039;s just play the map, get it over with and move on. We can safely say that in future seasons, the map probably won&#039;t make the wad again with these current textures based on public outcry (I hope at least). ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1450, 162, 11, 1264395263, 22, 1450, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20543883/IDL-SPEvsSUC-week03_map14ShadowPOV.108.rar', 'xx', 1);
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	(1451, 162, 11, 1264426288, 131, 1451, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/4773/ctf20100125051526.png[/img]<br />[img]http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9999/ctf20100125052542.png[/img]<br />[img]http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/3758/ctf20100125053423.png[/img][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7311, 715, 17, 1345359377, 16, 7311, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mobius link=topic=715.msg7303#msg7303 date=1345334249]<br />[quote author=Ru5tK1ng link=topic=715.msg7302#msg7302 date=1345333414]<br />The problem is that in all of my previous posts, I was not referring to his banning at all. I was referring to us (tai, dew, mike, xen etc) calling him a troll and how it was justified.[/quote]<br /><br />All those people you posted as examples are notorious boarderline personality disorder patience.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />And what does this even mean?&nbsp; :D', 'xx', 1);
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	(7065, 687, 22, 1340221510, 19, 7065, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.227.220', 1, 0, '', 'I should build a 9th team solely from free agents. That would be fun.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9392, 947, 17, 1380731473, 216, 9392, 'Re: I''m on top - A public calling to rap battle with Xenaero', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.58.50', 1, 0, '', 'i was referenced, im honored', 'xx', 1);
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	(8400, 827, 17, 1360881087, 75, 8400, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'no?<br /><br />well then, off you go. everything you say is meaningless bullshit and you have no case at all. why explain yourself when you&#039;re full of shit and you know you can&#039;t possibly make yourself look good? just fuck off already and don&#039;t come back - you keep promising that, but you&#039;re not delivering (as always)!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3933, 136, 1, 1302824679, 214, 3933, 'Re: It''s coming', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.30.10', 1, 0, '', 'Postcount +1', 'xx', 1);
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	(1452, 162, 11, 1264446615, 22, 1452, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'i think we gotta inspect whiteboy&#039;s demos for cheats', 'xx', 1);
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	(1453, 162, 11, 1264448104, 35, 1453, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'Yes i agree, fuck that cheating honky bastard.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1454, 162, 11, 1264448426, 35, 1454, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'what the hell why isn&#039;t the demo upload system fixed yet: http://www.sendspace.com/file/jm0ek3', 'xx', 1);
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	(6302, 617, 20, 1330300507, 214, 6302, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.28.89', 1, 0, '', 'Fuckin horrible map. Good job bones for picking another bomb you troll&nbsp; &gt;:(<br /><br />Also hate, it won&#039;t make it in next season because there won&#039;t be a next season!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1457, 162, 11, 1264502652, 75, 1457, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', 'http://neokotchka.net/dew/doom/idl2010w/idl2010w.suc-spe.week3.dew_idl2010h.108.zip<br />the sorry wallhugging mess that is my demo.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1459, 162, 11, 1264629004, 160, 1459, 'Re: Week 3 (Jan 18 - Jan 24) : THIRTY409 (MAP14) - Discussion and Results', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.103.176', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20603436/week_3.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(1519, 178, 11, 1266784649, 15, 1519, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'I just thought of something.&nbsp; What if before the draft has begun, players were to identify what roles they would play our on their team for the season.&nbsp; This would make choosing your team more easy and wouldn&#039;t have to waste so much time figuring out who would do what.&nbsp; Defender, Fragger, Runner, and All-rounder, might be all something that could be people&#039;s specialties. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1474, 168, 11, 1265687714, 10, 1474, 'Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.15.110.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 6 of IDL Winter 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 6 - ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 6 -&nbsp; ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Berserker Packers vs. Super Chargers<br /><br />Doom Raiders vs. Killing Browns<br /><br />Spread Eagles vs. Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />BYE: Electric Bills and Flag Steelers<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1476, 168, 11, 1265735942, 35, 1476, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 1265775221, 'nostar', 'Nostar you&#039;re very smart and I agree with the things you have said. But i really think you need to stop tossing salad for a moment and realize that it&#039;s called defense you good for nothing whiny son of a bitch. Plus I love you and wish you nothing but the best. You&#039;re great!<br /><br />P.S. I can&#039;t say enough how great you are.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1475, 168, 11, 1265693905, 130, 1476, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1265775957, 'Ladna', 'Okay, I suppose since IDL has lost most if not all of it&#039;s activity I&#039;ll post some predictions. Maybe I&#039;ll piss someone off enough that it will make a difference.<br /><br />[b]Berserker Packers vs. Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />I hate to play Shak. I love Shak! But one of us has to have the best record in IDL and I&#039;m more used to it. It will probably be a very tough match, rose and chow on O and shak on D. I hope to win but I wouldn&#039;t be too mad if I didn&#039;t :)<br /><br />[i]SUC 2-0[/i]<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders vs. Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />Who cares. DMR is absent and has 2 IDL games this week. KGB is crap and mike basically ruined Tai&#039;s season by not showing up for games at all. Oath and dev are good but Tai has been having a terrible time figuring out how to defend. It&#039;s basically a toss up. I hope that KGB wins because Jenova is a faggot and Dragan is a bigger faggot. Sorry Blair, you&#039;re stuck with faggots and DG.<br /><br />[i]KGB 2-1[/i]<br /><br />[b]Spread Eagles vs. Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />I would hope that SPE can win this map. Mantis is a pretty okay runner here but tbh I doubt he&#039;ll be very successful against bones. This is actually a map I might play Rottking. He&#039;s a good defense on map26. I am calling it for SPE, I think BBC is just too blunt to beat a good team on this map.<br /><br />[i]SPE 2-0[/i]<br /><br />[b]Flag Steelers vs. Doom Raiders [/b]<br /><br />Welp, if DMR makes it to this game I suspect they&#039;d do okay. This is kind of a DMR map, Blair can camp D, and Jen can zombie O. DG can run around and frag mindlessly. It&#039;s setup for them imo. FLS is just white fragging and the other people trying to make something of white&#039;s fragging. It&#039;s kinda boneheaded but meh, FLS could eek out a win. This is a 3 rounder for sure.&nbsp; Also, I can&#039;t tell you guys how much I love dick.&nbsp; Mmmm-mmmm.&nbsp; Dick.<br /><br />[i]FLS 2-1[/i]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1477, 169, 11, 1265776712, 7, 1477, 'The Great Blizzard of ''10', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.14.211.3', 1, 0, '', 'Most of you have probably noticed that FLS vs. DMR (Week 5) hasn&#039;t been played yet.&nbsp; You might also have noticed that Doomguy and Dragan haven&#039;t been online in over a week now.&nbsp; Their town got rocked pretty hard by an ice storm and there&#039;s some places that won&#039;t have power for weeks, basically destroying them.&nbsp; As far as I know they&#039;re OK, but details are sketchy.&nbsp; If you want to help in some real-life way, feel free to talk to Ralphis, he has a lot more info than I do.<br /><br />IDL-wise we have to deal with a team that&#039;s lost two players, including its captain.&nbsp; As an emergency measure, we&#039;re instating Killingblair as captain of the Raiders, and allowing them to choose two players from free agency - even though it&#039;s far past the trade deadline.&nbsp; If Doomguy and/or Dragan return before midnight EST Sunday we&#039;d love to give them their positions back, no harm no foul.&nbsp; Otherwise IDL has to move on.&nbsp; Additionally their game with FLS as well as their game with KGB will be played this week (Week 6).<br /><br />We just wanted to be clear that they&#039;re not ditching IDL, that their town is in shambles and they have important things to deal with.&nbsp; Thanks everyone for understanding.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1492, 168, 11, 1266088092, 15, 1492, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'Playoffs?!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1455, 157, 11, 1264479478, 0, 1455, 'Re: Week 1 (Jan 4 - Jan 10) : ODA02 (MAP02) - Discussion and Results', 'Fastidious', '', '76.238.9.142', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/20564705/2010-01-07_221214_idl2010h.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
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	(7919, 765, 25, 1355514549, 216, 7919, 'Re: hey', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.83.78', 1, 0, '', 'i thought he was', 'xx', 1);
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	(7066, 687, 22, 1340223096, 267, 7066, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.135.242.136', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=686.msg7064#msg7064 date=1340220171]<br />say here that I&#039;ll trade Shogun for Capo before someone else beats me to a waiver claim. <br /><br /> ::)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />good call tai', 'xx', 1);
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	(8910, 882, 30, 1366307951, 75, 8910, 'Re: Post Your Own Discussion Topic!', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=capo link=topic=882.msg8908#msg8908 date=1366283149]<br />Why isnt any odamex 0.6.3 testing as in past&nbsp; ???<br />[/quote]<br />with you on paternity leave there&#039;s no point in developing it any further.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8336, 820, 1, 1360477854, 216, 8336, 'Re: cartels paying IDL players to throw games', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.80.141', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/AcHQ8.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1480, 169, 11, 1265780807, 19, 1480, 'Re: The Great Blizzard of ''10', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=169.msg1478#msg1478 date=1265776898]<br />KB I&#039;ll trade you naut for jkist.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />kisto will make it worth your while', 'xx', 1);
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	(1481, 169, 11, 1265819838, 49, 1481, 'Re: The Great Blizzard of ''10', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'I have taken the offer at hand. As of 2/10/10, I, acting as in-leu captain of DMR, select Acolyte from Free Agency, and LordBritish from Cleveland, Ohio to complete my roster.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1482, 169, 11, 1265820662, 147, 1482, 'Re: The Great Blizzard of ''10', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=169.msg1479#msg1479 date=1265777886]<br />[size=7][color=pink][b]FREE LORD BRITISH!!![/b][/color][/size]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This guy knows his stuff. Fastidious 2010.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1919, 222, 12, 1275934486, 19, 1919, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=222.msg1917#msg1917 date=1275933105]<br />but in all honesty i think u have risky ideas and dont play where youre best often enough<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s where the fun is, ya see what works and what doesn&#039;t! I think. I personally luv underdog teams so I guess I love KGB!!<br /><br />Altho doesn&#039;t help much if ppl refuse to prac and/or end up going to college on the moon with 400 ping mid-season without tellin the xen @_@ u know who u all are...', 'xx', 1);
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	(1967, 219, 1, 1277175188, 10, 1967, 'Re: Welcome to the Wild West', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Is that your new filipino wife', 'xx', 1);
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	(1875, 209, 12, 1274720839, 2, 1875, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'return the flag to the lava, its natural habitat', 'xx', 1);
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	(1483, 168, 11, 1265910707, 147, 1483, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '141.110.189.29', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t have another class for another 1:15 so I will post predictions!<br /><br />BSK - SUC<br /><br />This is very a very intriguing matchup, it&#039;s a shame it happened on such a junky map.&nbsp; Ralph is a monster running this map, and Fast is pretty good at killing defenders as soon as they respawn.&nbsp; I think that despite chow&#039;s awesomeness and star&#039;s atrocity, SUC will barely pull it out.&nbsp; And I haven&#039;t seen BSK practice at all.<br />Bottom line: 2-1 SUC, with 1 flag seperating each team total.<br /><br />DMR - KGB<br /><br />If my connection is stable we will win in about 3 minutes total. If not, we are fucked.<br /><br />SPE - BBC<br /><br />SPE seems like they are rounding into form.&nbsp; The fragging ability of denny bones and MB (henceforth known as dennybonesMB) is prtty overwhelming on a map like this.&nbsp; BBC can kill a lot of dudes too, but I dunno.&nbsp; I just think dennybonesMB is starting to live up to their potential.<br /><br />Bottom Line: SPE 2-1 in a (surprisingly?) close one!<br /><br />BONUS - FLS - DMR<br /><br />If my connection is stable we will win in 2 minutes 45 seconds total. (I&#039;m a lil better at this map than 26). If not, we are fucked.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1484, 168, 11, 1265931408, 2, 1484, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.45.200', 1, 0, '', 'BSK - SUC<br /><br />Nostar is pretty great here and ralph is pretty decent sometimes too.&nbsp; The cops finally caught up with Rosebird for her cheating past and shes dead now, so BSK doesn&#039;t really have a chance without some doof to lag past star.&nbsp; It could still be a pretty close game with both teams being relatively conservative and I doubt either will want to give up #1 without some sort of fight!&nbsp; Unless Shakal can bring the bird back to life, hes scrouged.<br /><br />Bottom line: 2-0 SUC, unless rose comes back then 100000-0 BSK<br /><br />DMR - KGB<br /><br />lb sux and i plan to shoot him a lot<br /><br />SPE - BBC<br /><br />SPE is going to be pretty good here if bones is impressive as he was last season on this map.&nbsp; Metalblack is a pretty sneaky little paki and Shadow_Ghost is hungry as ever, I imagine he will be chomping up whoever BBC fields as a defender.&nbsp; BBC&#039;s best chance seems like to rush 2 heavy offense and hope to outflag SPE and smash bones defense, but this match is pretty cut and dried.<br /><br />Bottom Line: SPE 2-0<br /><br />BONUS - FLS - DMR<br /><br />FLS will basically walk all over DMR on this map given they all show up, whiteboy cheats and lb cannot run on him.<br /><br />Bottom Line: FLS 10-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(1489, 168, 11, 1266013422, 15, 1489, 'Re: Week 6 (Feb 8 - Feb 14) : ZDCTF26 (MAP26) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=168.msg1485#msg1485 date=1265940300]<br />Well, that game was sorta lame and dumb and I feel pretty bad about it forcing DMR to play a lineup they didn&#039;t want to, but definitely a kind gesture from blair (also tai sux)<br /><br />ggs dmr, see u in the playoffs!?<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />Playoffs? You want to talk about Playoffs?!..... Playoffs?! You kidding me? You can&#039;t even beat BBC!&nbsp; <br /> :D', 'xx', 1);
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	(6303, 614, 20, 1330320895, 214, 6303, 'Re: Week 8 (FEB 20 - FEB 26) : ZDCTF09 (MAP09) - Discussion and Results', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.28.89', 1, 0, '', 'Ladies and gentleman, this has been a classic example of why Xenaero is a terrible captain/teammate. We now return to our regularly scheduled programming.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1623, 177, 11, 1267683064, 157, 1623, 'Re: Week 8 (Feb 22 - Feb 28) : ZDCTF16 (Map 16) - Discussion and Results', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.116.2.222', 1, 0, '', 'Here&#039;s my demo:<br />http://www.mediafire.com/?tzzzzizzyhw<br /><br />you guys seem to have lack of demos! me and ghost are on top', 'xx', 1);
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	(1639, 178, 11, 1268245362, 2, 1640, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.46.242', 1, 1268259086, 'mikefails', 'Some of these are sorta interesting and others just don&#039;t make sense.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-No invite list, open sign ups to anyone and everyone all season long<br />[/quote]<br /><br />There sorta was a reason for the invite list, at least imo, as it would help stop some of the more lame gaming due to fraudulent or inactive players.&nbsp; This was set up not to exclude players as I imagine you think, but rather to bring a certain level of quality in the available talent.&nbsp; Sure some players might be really good but to me it seems a little crazy to expect every captain to know which players are active/inactive/etc where I feel the invite list is quite lenient but still allows captains to know, hey, this guy has played doom more than once in the last 6 months.&nbsp; I await some crazy conspiracy response though, maybe a combination of idl board behind 9/11 and jfk?<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Teams with worst record given priority on selecting players from the reserves<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This makes no sense to me, we do not have a MSD.&nbsp; Any team can select a player from the reserves at any time before the deadline, how would we prioritize this??&nbsp; We could perhaps make the deadline later, or allow more trades per week or per team, but I am not sure how much this would help, since we have unlimited trading in preseason and I think in the entire IDL history we have not seen more than 2-3 preseason trades (all suc related I believe)<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Remove player bans in the future unless someone cheats or does other major disruptive behavior<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Again, not really sure what you are referring to, the only players that have ever been suspended WERE suspended for cheating/disruptive behavior.&nbsp; Dragan was suspended for 4 seasons for cheating and Blair was suspended for an entire season as well as you (though I believe ladna granted you some sort of amnesty during his commissionship??)&nbsp; I cannot think of many more bans, much less any wrongful ones, so please give me an example I can work with.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Remove franchising<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I would like to remove franchising if possible, it was responsible for some of the best teams to play in IDL but I also feel its a negative factor on our growth and takes a lot of the mash up draft randomness I am so fond of.&nbsp; However the draft order would need to be tweaked to give those low pick teams a little more of a fighting chance.&nbsp; While we are talking about draft order, there are a few things I am interested in.&nbsp; One of these things is moderating new captain entries to an extent, for example SPE and SUC were first and last seeds this season.&nbsp; Denny and Ralphis both took over a team that had a very good/bad draft order they didn&#039;t earn.&nbsp; I would say any team in the 1/2 or 7/8 draft order spot would be given a +/- 2 to their draft order, thus landing them anywhere from 3-6, instead of on some extreme they very probably didn&#039;t earn.&nbsp; Taking this even further, we could randomize the entire draft order, or even apply a random +/- 1 to each team but this seems a little pointless and nefariously motivated.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Expand to 10-12 teams if possible<br />-No conferences<br />-Two divisions<br />[/quote]<br /><br />More teams certainly is more fun, if a little less (or maybe more?) competitive at times due to talent distribution.&nbsp; I feel like we have a pretty strong player base and it is a move we can afford to make in order to make things more interesting.&nbsp; As for conferences and divisions, I would certainly be for having only 2 divisions/conferences if we had 10 teams, but I would certainly prefer our current setup of having 4 divisions within 2 conferences with 12 teams.&nbsp; This just seems a little more exciting to me, I would feel pretty bored stuck in a division with half the league and it would certainly make rivalries much less influential.<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Six teams make playoffs, three from each division<br />-Playoffs are setup as Div1 #1 vs BYE, Div2 #1 vs BYE, Div1 #2 vs Div2 #3, Div2 #2 vs Div1 #3<br />[/quote]<br /><br />However, if we have 12 teams I would definitely want a 8 team playoff with no bye weeks to weed out any of those crappy seed1 teams that coast into the masterbowl and do shameful there.&nbsp; This is the playoffs, I think having each team play at least 2 games to win the conference championship can only be a good thing.&nbsp; As for mixing playoffs between divisions, this sounds like an idea that could be prone to abuse.&nbsp; If one side is noticeably weaker maybe a team will throw a game to get a better chance to make it to the masterbowl.&nbsp; Maybe this wouldn&#039;t be a problem though, who knows.<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Six week regular season with no BYE week<br />[/quote]<br /><br />6 weeks is rather short, I think an 8 week season allows for meaningful games without ruining your season if you get a single loss.&nbsp; I personally like the bye week as a time to get ready for the next week and to simply sit back and watch a little without having any IDL commitments, but if everybody hates it lets get rid of it I suppose!<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Schedule is broken up into two week chunks with two specific matches due by the end of each two weeks<br />-Teams can play matches earlier than the schedule if they want<br />[/quote]<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Player voted map list before the season starts.&nbsp; People would post suggestions on the forum and we&#039;d all get together and play test maps.&nbsp; After that goes on a for a while we hold a big vote and the top 32 make it in the IDL wad.&nbsp; Top five vote getting maps are used in playoffs.&nbsp; If people don&#039;t want to participate then their loss<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I would love to have IDL help us test maps and give us feedback, as it can sometimes be difficult to get the entire board for a 3v3 test.&nbsp; I would be reluctant to give the players total control over the maps since tastes differ so radically and I think the maplist would quickly become stale if we weren&#039;t able to select at least a few new maps to shake things up.&nbsp; Also this voting can create problems either through a low turnout which would not accurately represent what the players want, or alienating players who get their favorite map edged out by something they deem to be CRAP.<br /><br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Teams can choose any map in the IDL wad for their matches<br />-Matches are still three rounds.&nbsp; Each round is a different map, tie breaker would be random pick but can not be the same maps as teams already played<br />-Teams must pick a different map each week, so once you use a map it&#039;s gone for your team.&nbsp; Playoff maps can be used in the regular season<br />-Teams pick playoff maps as such:&nbsp; each team tosses a map out of the top five, then each teams picks a map they want for their round.&nbsp; Remaining map is tie breaker.&nbsp; Masterbowl could be best of five<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It is already annoying enough learning 1 map, now you want teams to learn 2??&nbsp; Now you can spend all your time learning one map to reach the tiebreaker and get thrown a random map you are not prepared for and lose, thus wasting all your practice time.&nbsp; IDL is about fun and competition, this doesn&#039;t sound fun nor competitive to me at all.&nbsp; What if a team submits their map choice late?&nbsp; Would they have to submit it at all or do they just say lets play mapxx when both teams show up??&nbsp; I think having mapvoting for playoff maps is even more open to abuse.&nbsp; I would also certainly not want to change the masterbowl to best of 5 either, why do you even play the regular season if you are going to change the game format for the final, most important game??&nbsp; I am not a fan of any of these ideas.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-No 1v1, 2v1, 2v2, 3v2, 4v3, etc.&nbsp; All matches played 3v3 or 4v4, 4v4 only if both teams agree.&nbsp; If you can&#039;t get three to a scheduled match your team forfeits<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Ladna already talked about this briefly, IDL has to be one or the other, why would any captain with a weak 4th ever play a 4v4 to increase their teams chances of losing?&nbsp; Unfair matchups are pretty lame, but they do exist for a reason, most often because of a poor captain or an emergency.&nbsp; Its really sort of unfair to punish and waste the time of one team simply because the other team isn&#039;t ready or is unable to play.&nbsp; If its such a big deal players should regulate themselves or refuse to play in unfair matchups.&nbsp; If a team is not ready to play, whats to stop a player from just leaving so they can force a schedule for a later date?&nbsp; You appear to be offering a lot of ideas but nothing really solid to backup these ideas.&nbsp; A lot of these ideas just seem reactionary without any sort of real thought behind them at all, but you want to say the board is full of corrupt morons because we actually talk about the pros and cons of these ideas and try to be as fair as possible?<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Captains selected by player vote, if you sign up you agree to captain should the players vote you into that role<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Popularity should never be valued over skill.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1629#msg1629 date=1267905153]<br />-Multiple servers selection teams/players submit their average pings at the start of the season and these are used in general for selection.&nbsp; Only in cases where there is a drop in connection quality to a certain server would they be ignored.&nbsp; Teams should not be arguing or jumping back and forth between servers.&nbsp; When the schedule is set the server should be select as well.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I am sure it already bugs ladna enough to try to assess Xenaero and my own connection woes, I do not think anybody has the desire to inform players how good or bad their connection is and again this idea seems open to some severe gaming.&nbsp; If an alternate server is to be used, both teams should agree unanimously otherwise it cheapens the game.<br /><br />I might add some new ideas later, not sure yet.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7312, 715, 17, 1345366647, 75, 7312, 'Re: I''m banned', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Mobius link=topic=715.msg7301#msg7301 date=1345332413]<br />Mobius banned, &quot;You&#039;re a bitch.&quot;<br />Strangle banned, &quot;You&#039;re a troll.&quot;<br /><br />Over small words too. Exactly like me.<br />[/quote]<br />your desperate attempts at picturing yourself as a &quot;political&quot; are duly noted. sadly, no fucks given. :( IDL is not a social network, so specializing your online fursona in irc/forum warfare won&#039;t get you far. you&#039;re useless [b]and[/b] annoying, is it really that surprising people don&#039;t want you around?', 'xx', 1);
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	(6616, 642, 17, 1333349736, 158, 6616, 'Hatred won a masterbowl', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '207.112.125.135', 1, 0, '', 'Yes, the same Hatred that had two and a half terrible seasons (since he was traded to EBL season 8 ) has just won a masterbowl. Discuss.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7801, 748, 24, 1352403393, 19, 7801, 'Re: Results and Demos', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=748.msg7797#msg7797 date=1352270580]<br />3 weeks, 2 games.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://puu.sh/1nV2e[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1497, 172, 26, 1266278873, 7, 1497, 'Team Color Assignments', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Teams are now assigned specific colors for each game.&nbsp; This is determined by the order in which team names are displayed on the IDL site, for example:<br /><br />[quote]<br />BSK vs. SUC<br />[/quote]<br /><br />BSK is the red team, and SUC is the blue team.&nbsp; The assignments are determined randomly.<br /><br />This change will take effect in the Summer 2010 season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8516, 844, 29, 1361593282, 2303, 8516, 'Re: February Pick-Up Collective 2013', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'Great games; was very fun + I enjoyed... I hope more people sign up because it was really good', 'xx', 1);
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	(8401, 827, 17, 1360881514, 0, 8401, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.16.166.203', 1, 0, '', '&quot;No&quot; means I don&#039;t feel like telling you. I&#039;m not biting it. :(<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=827.msg8399#msg8399 date=1360880927]<br />Rofl, you&#039;re a joke kid, get out.<br />[/quote]<br />ur fukin&#039; dun kid!!<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=827.msg8400#msg8400 date=1360881087]you keep promising that, but you&#039;re not delivering (as always)!<br />[/quote]<br />As always? As if you know me very well... Nice try though.<br /><br />Eh, I&#039;ll just make this my last post in this thread. Toodles.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8404, 827, 17, 1360888425, 216, 8404, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.80.141', 1, 0, '', 'Honestly soul, the only reason you should be posting in this thread is to explain why you decided to leave. If you aren&#039;t gonna say that then stop posting all this nonsense that makes you look worse and worse. I don&#039;t care that you were relatively new to the league and that&#039;s why you picked bloodstrike or whatever. I read through this whole thread, read a bunch of fluff, and yet still I have no clue what ultimately made you leave. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3375, 382, 1, 1297147058, 15, 3375, 'Re: Top 5 EGOS', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.91.114', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m the best.......<br /><br />FRAG RATIO POWAH!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1500, 173, 11, 1266387460, 7, 1500, 'Week7 Playoff Picture', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.14.208.177', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m gonna do something cooler than predictions, and talk a little about the WDC.&nbsp; Right now the standings, along with forthcoming games and potential outcomes (ties notwithstanding), are:<br /><br />[font=courier]<br />BSK - .600 FLS, SPE, EBL (.375, .500, .625, .750)<br />SPE - .500 DMR, BSK, FLS (.313, .438, .563, .688)<br />FLS - .600 BSK, BBC, SPE (.375, .500, .625, .750)<br />BBC - .583 BYE, FLS, DMR (.438, .563, .688)<br />[/font]<br /><br />It&#039;s a complete clusterfuck.&nbsp; A couple games you can call, but BBC&#039;s game against us is huge for them, FLS&#039; has big games against BSK and SPE coming up, SPE is hoping to even the score with BSK next week... it&#039;s pretty crazy.&nbsp; Here&#039;s a quick breakdown of all the WDC games:<br /><br />So what are the stakes?<br /><br />[b]BSK[/b]<br /><br />- Losing against FLS probably loses them CC homefield<br />- Losing to SPE opens the door for them to lose their division<br />- Losing twice knocks them out of playoffs unless SPE, FLS, or BBC loses at least 2 games<br /><br />[b]SPE[/b]<br /><br />- Losing a game knocks them out of playoffs unless either FLS or BBC loses at least 2 games<br /><br />[b]FLS[/b]<br /><br />- Losing a game makes losing their division possible, and probably loses them CC homefield<br />- Losing twice knocks them out of playoffs unless either BSK, SPE or BBC loses at least 2 games<br /><br />[b]BBC[/b]<br /><br />- Losing a game knocks them out of playoffs unless SPE loses a game.<br />- Losing 2 games knocks them out of playoffs unless SPE loses 2 games, or BSK loses 3<br /><br />OK, I guess I will make some predictions.&nbsp; [b]GENEROUS[/b] predictions, because I&#039;m pretty sure FLS is gonna wipe the floor with all you suckers.<br /><br />[font=courier]<br />BSK: .500 - 3-3-2 (loss against FLS and SPE)<br />SPE: .688 - 5-2-1 (no losses)<br />FLS: .625 - 5-3-0 (loss against SPE)<br />BBC: .563 - 4-3-1 (loss against FLS)<br />[/font]<br /><br />This comes out so that BSK misses playoffs, which a pretty bold prediction.&nbsp; If I&#039;m feeling more timid:<br /><br />[font=courier]<br />BSK: .625 - 4-2-2 (loss against FLS)<br />SPE: .563 - 4-3-1 (loss against BSK)<br />FLS: .625 - 5-3-0 (loss against SPE)<br />BBC: .563 - 4-3-1 (loss against FLS)<br />[/font]<br /><br />This knocks SPE out, because BBC won against them last week.<br /><br />That said, it&#039;s real gay that a team with a .563 will miss playoffs, potentially against a team with a .188 (DMR if they &amp; EBL continue their losing streaks).&nbsp; I guess that&#039;s the perils of the conference system; maybe we need a Wild Wildcard round or something.&nbsp; Or really with 8 teams, it&#039;s not totally out of the question that every team makes playoffs and we switch to a division/conference/league system, with leaders getting homefield advantage (Masterbowl excepted of course).&nbsp; Just thinking out loud :) .', 'xx', 1);
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	(1557, 178, 11, 1267079308, 7, 1557, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.69', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1555#msg1555 date=1267073321]<br />3) Shorter, frequent seasons. My team (most noticeable in myself) has lost the will to play since the bye week, and I have seen this with other teams more or less from the sharp drop in practicing. It would keep the flow of things more condensed and consistent.<br /><br />I&#039;d bail out but I owe it to Shak to stay put until we can end this season. ;)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This happens to me too, after the BYE week I don&#039;t really feel like playing.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know what it is.&nbsp; I think technically we don&#039;t need a BYE week, it could work out like:<br /><br />KGB EBL, DMR SUC, BSK SPE, BBC FLS<br />KGB FLS, DMR EBL, BSK SUC, BBC SPE<br />KGB SPE, DMR FLS, BSK EBL, BBC SUC<br />KGB SUC, DMR SPE, BSK FLS, BBC EBL<br />KGB BSK, DMR BBC, FLS SUC, EBL SPE<br />KGB BBC, DMR BSK, FLS SPE, EBL SUC<br />KGB DMR, BBC BSK, SPE SUC, FLS EBL<br />KGB EBL, DMR SUC, BSK SPE, BBC FLS<br /><br />So that&#039;s only 8 weeks instead of 9, with 2 divisional games, and no BYE week.&nbsp; I [b]think[/b] I didn&#039;t mess it up, but who knows.&nbsp; I talked it over w/ Nostar and we thought that having multiple games a week wouldn&#039;t be too bad, but we agreed that scheduling would be ridiculous.&nbsp; Then again, if we played 2 games a week with this scheme, the IDL regular season would only last 4 weeks.&nbsp; I guess now that I say it though, that seems a little short!&nbsp; And on the other hand, I get what Bones is saying about each game being crucial: FLS has only lost 2 games and we&#039;re still in a race to get the BYE and Homefield Advantage.&nbsp; Is it too much of a stretch to think that teams can play more than one game in a week?<br /><br />Something else that Mantis &amp; Goatface brought up: teams could have homefield servers and games could be alternated.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know how fair it could be, like if FLS only plays BSK once on BSK&#039;s homefield server, that&#039;s a pretty big advantage.&nbsp; But then again I guess some teams are already disadvantaged just playing on TT, so what do I know.&nbsp; We could also do an average ping thing; I know it can be gamed, but we can probably figure that out pretty quickly :).&nbsp; In fact, TT logs pings sporadically, so I probably have enough data right now to put up some rough averages.<br /><br />And yeah Stallion I remember Season 1 when players would join Public CTF with their IDL tags.&nbsp; That was pretty good advertising to me, I was jealous of the IDL players.&nbsp; The &quot;[IDL]&quot; tag and site/IRC spamming is a good idea though.&nbsp; All it takes is a simple bind!&nbsp; You know what, now that I think about it, TT is the most popular Pub CTF server set, maybe I&#039;ll change the MOTD and advertise the shit out of IDL heh.<br /><br />And hey cha0tix, I&#039;m glad you bailed us out this season.&nbsp; I&#039;ve enjoyed watching you play and I hope you come back.&nbsp; In fact I hope you make it to playoffs and we get to play you again.&nbsp; No homo.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1504, 173, 11, 1266611329, 10, 1504, 'Re: Week7 Playoff Picture', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', 'SPE losing a game doesn&#039;t knock them out of the playoffs. If SPE loses one game but BSK loses all out:<br /><br />SPE 4-3-1 .563<br />BSK 2-4-2 .375<br /><br />SPE losing two games doesn&#039;t knock them out either if BSK loses out:<br /><br />SPE 3-4-1 .500<br />BSK 2-4-2 .375<br /><br />SPE losing their only game to BSK with BSK losing weeks 7 and 9 would result in them still winning their division:<br /><br />SPE 4-3-1 .563<br />BSK 3-3-2 .500<br /><br />If both teams win out but SPE takes the week 8 div matchup:<br /><br />SPE 5-2-1 .688<br />BSK 4-2-2 .625<br /><br />So basically, both of these teams are still very much alive. SPE is only 1 game back right now (.5 in record + .5 more with a divisional win). <br /><br />The best way for BSK to win their division is to win their week 8 matchup against SPE and a win in either week 7 or week 9. That will give them two head to head wins over SPE and will protect them from SPE being able to catch them:<br /><br />BSK 4-2-2 .625<br />SPE 4-3-1 .563<br /><br />So what it comes down to is a pivotal week 8 matchup that will likely either make or break both teams. However, even a BSK sweep of SPE this season doesn&#039;t ensure them the division if they don&#039;t win at least weeks 7 or 9 with it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7313, 715, 17, 1345386252, 19, 7313, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.245.86', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tai link=topic=715.msg7311#msg7311 date=1345359377]<br />And what does this even mean?&nbsp; :D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Sound it out.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7068, 684, 22, 1340226624, 15, 7068, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '72.53.140.59', 1, 0, '', 'As I don&#039;t really feel like writing a bible, I&#039;ll just say this.&nbsp; Teams look [b]fucking[/b] balanced as[b] fuck[/b] this season.&nbsp; Can&#039;t wait to get into the grind with my boy saber. <br /><br />b0yz 4 lyfe<br />o\\', 'xx', 1);
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	(2167, 243, 12, 1281112423, 163, 2167, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'IDC <br /><br />Me<br />Whiteboy<br />Ralphis<br />Tai<br />Joshsmith<br /><br />WDC<br />Jenova<br />Mikehail<br />Nostar<br />Russiandumbass<br />Lord &quot;Ohio&quot; British', 'xx', 1);
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	(2188, 243, 12, 1281248388, 130, 2188, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=kandy_kid link=topic=243.msg2169#msg2169 date=1281154981]<br />IDC<br /><br />Whiteboy<br />Hatred<br />Ralphis<br />Rottking<br />Joshsmith<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You have to vote for two conferences you scroob!!!!!<br />Aside from that i vote that kandy&#039;s votes be counted.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3611, 398, 14, 1299030968, 213, 3611, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '75.186.106.4', 1, 0, '', '1. Dylan<br /><br />2. Dylan<br /><br />3. Dylan<br /><br />4. Dylan<br /><br />5. Dylan<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4043, 433, 16, 1305211256, 163, 4043, 'Re: The Draft', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.110.106.63', 1, 0, '', 'lol Xeanero is pissed. Although I am curious to as how this guy got a forums account. Even further more, where the hell did he come from? ', 'xx', 1);
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	(7802, 748, 24, 1352434210, 2303, 7802, 'Re: Results and Demos', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.245.132.191', 1, 0, '', 'If anything, I learned UD is a beast at map22.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1559, 178, 11, 1267114523, 0, 1560, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.241.169', 1, 1267123790, 'Fastidious', 'Just some quick thoughts before I go to class.&nbsp; In QW typically schedules are set as suggestions but not set in stone.&nbsp; What that means is that teams can finish every single match in week one if they wanted to and their opponents were willing.&nbsp; In some ways it is good and other it is bad.&nbsp; If teams lack the willingness to play it will obviously be worse as there is no strict schedule but if they are unwilling to play matches I think they will have problems under the IDL currently.&nbsp; The other benefit is it is very flexible as you can play matches whenever as long as they are completed by the deadline(could be staggered with incremental dates or absolute at end of season).&nbsp; Under such a system there are no excuses if you can&#039;t find time to play a match with your best three players.<br /><br />I do think two matches a week would be too much but perhaps 1.5 would be possible.&nbsp; One other problem with more flexible scheduling and more matches per week is the server issue.&nbsp; We&#039;d basically need a bunch of private style IDL servers as maps would be all over the place.&nbsp; It would work fine and in fact I&#039;d love to play different maps more often instead of playing one map a week 1000 times.<br /><br />I also agree a BYE is not needed.&nbsp; Many players already sit out week to week depending on various factors and if you really need a break I&#039;m sure you can disappear for a week on your team.&nbsp;  :o<br /><br />I look at most IDL things from a Quake angle just because I think Quakers have been doing the competitive thing longer and better than almost anyone on the net.&nbsp; Most of the things I suggest are used in Quake and have been used for some tourneys that are near a decade old.&nbsp; The ZDDL tier system idea was inspired by Quake tourneys for instance.<br /><br />In regards to more servers and fair pings that is a really touchy subject.&nbsp; If we happen to get a lot more servers it won&#039;t be an issue other than teams taking two hours to find the most fair server.&nbsp; The problem if we only get 2-3 servers total is often there will not be a really fair server, then what do you do?&nbsp; Also what if your best player(say White on FLS this season for instance) pings really nice at one but crap at the other two?&nbsp; The averages might be the same or close enough but you know your opponents are going to press to get your most important player the worse ping possible. In the short time RN was used I remember a couple times seeing that BS happen on server selection and it happened once to my own team because they were too lazy to test pings.&nbsp; There need to be some well thought out and strict rules regarding server selection.&nbsp; I&#039;d go as far as to say it should be taken out of the teams responsibility and given to the IDL such as scheduling times.&nbsp; We are here to play not argue and if we can&#039;t trust the IDL to schedule matches at the best times at the best servers then we shouldn&#039;t be in the league at all.<br /><br />EDIT: One other basic thing is once you have more than one server ping and connections just become one more point of contention when negotiating between teams on when and where to play, etc.&nbsp; Just having TT does simplify everything quite a bit.&nbsp; Personally I like the one server system unless we can get lots of servers up.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t mind when DE was the major server either despite me pinging much worse there.&nbsp; You got used to your ping and knew what to expect so competitively I say one server works great despite some weaknesses.<br /><br />In the end it sort of comes down to flexibility on the IDL&#039;s part.&nbsp; TT is fine for most people the majority of the time.&nbsp; The problem is when a match is scheduled and someone is lagging then.&nbsp; Do we really want to force teams to play in bad conditions where it is 3v2 or 3v3 with one person lagged to hell?&nbsp; To me that really negates the purpose of the league.&nbsp; Such matches are usually ridiculous and not competitive and frankly almost a waste of time for everyone.&nbsp; Rescheduling if possible to play under better conditions would result in a real quality match being played and no bad feelings on either side.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1914, 222, 12, 1275899915, 0, 1914, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Fastidious', '', '112.200.246.8', 1, 0, '', 'LOL AWESOMENESS', 'xx', 1);
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	(1498, 172, 26, 1266302048, 17, 1498, 'Re: Team Color Assignments', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '24.15.219.212', 1, 0, '', 'Any particular reason for this?<br /><br />By reason I mean fun story.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1499, 172, 26, 1266380804, 7, 1499, 'Re: Team Color Assignments', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.14.208.177', 1, 0, '', 'Well some maps, while not necessarily advantageous one way or the other, aren&#039;t symmetrical.&nbsp; Also there have been more than a couple times when games have been delayed because a team refuses to play on a different color.&nbsp; This solves both of those things.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1505, 170, 11, 1266613338, 10, 1505, 'Re: Week 7 (Feb 15 - Feb 21) : ZDECTFMP2 (MAP07) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][u][b]BSK v FLS[/b][/u][/center]<br /><br />Critical conference game here. However, at this point all games are critical for the WDC teams with what is probably the tightest playoff race I&#039;ve ever seen in IDL history. This is probably the most important game of the week in that race on the whole as both teams lead their divisions and a loss by either can put them behind their divisional rivals. BSK has the speed necessary to thrive on this map in my opinion so I imagine them taking it provided they have a roster that shows up. If they don&#039;t, they&#039;re dead in the water.<br /><br />[center][b]BSK 2-1 provided their roster gets their act together[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][b][u]DMR v SPE[/u][/b][/center]<br /><br />Another game critical to both conferences. A win here by DMR separates them from EBL and will likely ensure them a wildcard berth given the state of the IDC. A win by SPE puts them in prime position to make a run for their divisional title. A loss puts them below .500 and in a very bad place.<br /><br />[center][b]SPE 2-1. I think DMR can pull off the upset with their speed and I hope they do, but they&#039;re a long shot for sure.[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][b][u]EBL v SUC[/u][/b][/center]<br /><br />A win secures a Super Charged homefield through playoffs. They face the 1-4 Electric Bills.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(3221, 370, 14, 1294809480, 163, 3221, 'Re: Comments during matches...', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.50.8.6', 1, 0, '', 'chatblock_spec or something like that', 'xx', 1);
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	(1732, 198, 12, 1271833162, 10, 1732, 'Accepting Captain Bids', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'We are currently accepting captain bids for the Summer 2010 season onward. The league has multiple vacancies that must be filled as soon as possible.<br /><br />Though anyone can put in a bid to be captain, there are a few things you should know before doing so:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Captains are expected to stay at least two seasons minimum to give them an effort to build their team.[/li]<br />[li]The more IDL experience you have, the more likely you are to be considered.[/li]<br />[li]The final captains selected by the IDL Board do not have a say in which team they inherit. It is a randomized process.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />Being a captain comes with a decent amount of responsibility as the IDL is only as good as its captains. To become a captain, [u][b]you should be willing to make a concerted effort to be on frequently to maintain contact with your team, other teams, and the league.[/b][/u]<br /><br />To be a captain is to be a leader. If you believe you&#039;re ready to be a leader in the International Doom League, feel free to submit your bid!<br /><br />The league has already received a handful of bids, so it is best to notify the league of your intentions as soon as possible as to give the Board time to consider your bid.<br /><br />Bids can either be made public through this thread or you can contact me through our IRC channel or private message.', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1772, 199, 12, 1272921137, 2, 1772, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Hourglass<br />Country: Mexico<br />Email: darkangelous6@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message: HandGrenade at IRC.<br />Regular Availability: Most week nights. Weekends before dark.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(2133, 226, 12, 1279733060, 10, 2133, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[html]<pre style="font: 12px/6px monospace;"><span style="color: #ffffff;"></span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: #ffffff;">#</span><span style="color: 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	(3095, 351, 3, 1293089575, 163, 3095, 'Re: Whats good ?', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.50.11.226', 1, 0, '', 'Yo, welcome to the IDL!<br /><br />For starters, click the big IDL icon up top and it will direct you to the homepage. After that, you can read the rules section there. I&#039;ll give you a short summary but you&#039;ll have to read the rules to fully understand how this works.<br /><br />As it stands, nobody really knows who you are. That&#039;s not a bad thing though, it means you have to come around and play some doom with us. We have a channel in irc.quakenet.net #idl, there we often play organized games of CTF on private servers. Everyone joins the server, goes onto the white team and we call a random captains vote, 2 random captains are selected and they pick from the available player pool on the white team. The green team is where you go if you don&#039;t want to play&nbsp; but watch or are going to be afk for a bit. Generally, most private games are 4vs4, but occasionally you&#039;ll get 5vs5. Either way, put some work in and you&#039;ll get your name out there. <br /><br />After that, you&#039;ll have to sign up for next seasons open-sign up list. Since you&#039;re new, you&#039;re not going to get an automatic invite. Once you sign-up, you&#039;re immediately placed on the list as a player available to be drafted once the draft comes up. Whether you get drafted or not is up to you and how much time and effort you&#039;re willing to put in to develop your skills (unless you&#039;re good already but even then, you still have to show people). Currently, we are just about to begin IDL Season 9 so unfortunately you won&#039;t be able to play this season unless you can somehow be squeezed into The Development League&#039;s Free Agent list, which I&#039;m not sure how that works. <br /><br />So yeah, that&#039;s it for the most part. Come in, play some doom and get your name out there. The rest will take care of itself. If you have any further questions, you can join #idl and talk to Ralphis, Ladna, mikehail or Goatface. They&#039;re usually available to answer all questions. Best of luck.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1915, 222, 12, 1275925956, 73, 1915, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'I am like a caged animal right now, and time is the damn cattle prod thats pissing me off. Luckily I&#039;m O this week, or I would have been unable to control my anger and I would have been pulling mid , INSIDE of enemy base.<br /><br />DMR&gt;brokefag gayboys<br /><br />HUZZAH!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3612, 398, 14, 1299042306, 69, 3612, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '129.101.19.71', 1, 0, '', 'Because he spits hot fire!', 'xx', 1);
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	(3907, 420, 1, 1302293110, 19, 3907, 'Re: Seeking New Commissioner ', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.48.249.152', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=420.msg3904#msg3904 date=1302236492]<br />5) The ability to approach situations with an objective attitude.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Can I avoid this one somehow.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1733, 199, 12, 1271833278, 10, 1733, 'IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=16pt]IDL Signups Open[/size][/b][/center]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Signups for IDL Summer 2010 are now open!&nbsp; Interested players may sign up using this template:<br /><br />[quote]<br />Name: Ralphis<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: ralphis@coolsite.com<br />Instant Message Contact: ralphissfr6 (AIM)<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings except Wednesday and Friday (due to work)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />IDL is still invite-only, and we are first and foremost interested in signing up [b]active players[/b] in IDL, and the best ways of us finding out who&#039;s active and who&#039;s not are [u]Private CTF[/u], [u]IRC[/u], and this thread.&nbsp; If you know of players who would be interested, feel free to have them sign up here. However, simply signing up in this thread [b]does not[/b] guarantee an invite.<br /><br />[u][b]The best way to increase your chances of receiving an invite is to play Private CTF with the other IDL players, as well as spending time in the official IDL IRC channel.[/b][/u]&nbsp; For Private CTF info and the latest IDL news, come to #intldoomleague at irc.quakenet.org.', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1916, 222, 12, 1275931921, 19, 1916, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=222.msg1913#msg1913 date=1275898761]<br />I know I already posted but I wanna go ahead and take this opportunity to second Strangle&#039;s assertion that Xen is a terrible captain. He&#039;s just so god damn dumb.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s not cool, dude. Why are you doing this?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2129, 239, 12, 1279731486, 147, 2133, 'Re: Week 7 (Jul 19 - Jul 25) : 32in24-7 MAP27 (MAP32) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 1279749481, 'LordBritish', 'SUC - BBC<br /><br />I hope you both lose.&nbsp; But in all seriousness, this COULD be the week that BBC goes down.&nbsp; It&#039;s all gonna come down to RottKing.&nbsp; If he plays well, SUC will win, I&#039;m almost positive.&nbsp; Ralphis is just too good on this map to hold down forever.&nbsp; But, if mike can get a toehold and force Rott to chase him around, it&#039;s bad news for the Chargers.<br /><br />I really have no idea where this one will go, but for the sake of argument I&#039;ll fire out...<br /><br />SUC 1-0-2<br /><br />EBL - DMR<br /><br />EBL is gonna be PISSED that they couldn&#039;t pull off a win last week even though there were pretty big favorites.&nbsp; They will take out that anger on DMR, and though Goat&#039;s squad has been putting out valiant efforts, they just aren&#039;t good enough, especially on such an obscure map.<br /><br />2-0-1<br /><br />BSK - KGB<br /><br />This is definitely more of a BSK map than a KGB.&nbsp; This isn&#039;t a map well suited for the &quot;team of potent superfraggers&quot;, which is how KGB is built.&nbsp; It&#039;s about speed, finesse, and a little bit of luck, and that&#039;s why I see BSK taking this one, though in surprisingly close fashion., and going on to win the conference next week after we crush BBC.<br /><br />BSK 2-0-1<br /><br />FLS - SPE<br /><br />Denny has girth and will impede me, and while I am distracted Blair will shank me.&nbsp; Rd 2 Blair will talk about positive and negative nodes and I will have a headache.<br /><br />SPE 2-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(1812, 212, 1, 1274141921, 7, 1812, 'When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'This works like roulette, players place bets on the date that Legion will be unbanned.&nbsp; Winner gets an as-yet-undetermined prize.&nbsp; Good luck!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2023, 233, 12, 1278631598, 19, 2023, 'Re: Week 5 (Jul 5 - Jul 12) : ZDECTF2-01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', 'The quality of my predictions will not be up to par in the amount of time I have left to make them before the first match of the week so I refrain from predicting until next week.<br /><br />Also<br /><br />KGB vs EBL:&nbsp; ??? [color=white]!!![/color]<br /><br />BBC vs SPE:&nbsp; :P [color=white]I want Denny to lose due to his Boo hax earlier which may keep SPE in the game here, but unlikely as the game is tied 1-1. Go Star![/color]<br />BSK vs SUC:&nbsp; :-[ [color=white]SUC has been playing good, so unfortunately my conference rival will likely win 2-1.[/color]<br />FLS vs DMR:&nbsp; :-\\ [color=white]Go DMR! You can do it! I have faith in you. Ladna is fat anyway, so you might bounce off his large belly while he laughs like Para Noel. FLS 2-0[/color]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8233, 810, 28, 1360128497, 214, 8233, 'Re: Welcome!', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.25.184', 1, 0, '', 'Big thanks to HumanBones for not being sloth and listening to my suggestion for the creation of this forum.&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(8402, 827, 17, 1360882301, 19, 8402, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', 'in tahiti.... they have these dogs..... that they train to catch frisbees in their mouths...... its amazing', 'xx', 1);
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	(8337, 820, 1, 1360481563, 19, 8337, 'Re: cartels paying IDL players to throw games', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3z5prlfdO1r8weq9o1_500.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8405, 827, 17, 1360889333, 2, 8405, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '24.18.104.99', 1, 0, '', 'you dun made prime mad, this is a rare sight!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1734, 199, 12, 1271833450, 19, 1734, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Xenaero<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: xenaero@gmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: xenaero@gmail.com (MSN)<br />Regular Availability: Pretty much any evening since im a jobless bum', 'xx', 1);
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	(1813, 212, 1, 1274143571, 2, 1813, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'never what do i win', 'xx', 1);
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	(1775, 199, 12, 1273189783, 174, 1775, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', '[IW]Sunoska', 'chazbraz@gmail.com', '68.214.88.91', 1, 0, '', 'Name: [IW]Sunoska-Tk<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: chazbraz@gmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: cowboybebop3rd@aim.com<br />Regular Availability: Everyday almost anytime after 10:30 am and anytime before 4:20 am 4:21am-10:29am I&#039;m usually asleep.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1996, 228, 12, 1278015634, 130, 1996, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=228.msg1994#msg1994 date=1277964458]<br />FLS vs SUC.<br /><br />[b][color=blue]GAME OF THE WEEK[/color][/b]<br /><br />LordBritish vs Ralphis<br />Rus vs RottKing<br />Gyross vs Ladna<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Ladna isn&#039;t playing. Insert some crapass on FLS&#039;s side and give the edge to gyross. Also I disagree with yr assertion of these matchups.<br /><br />[quote]<br />I just hope we win and EBL loses so we can have a 1 game lead for the wild card spot with an abysmal 1-3 record rofl. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />They will lose. All u have to do is win!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2025, 233, 12, 1278634714, 38, 2025, 'Re: Week 5 (Jul 5 - Jul 12) : ZDECTF2-01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.46.100', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23308403/BSKvSUC.zip<br /><br />Haven&#039;t had a game the fun since season 1.<br />These are the kinda games that keep bringing me back every season.<br />Thank you very much SUC, I&#039;ll remember this game for years to come.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1842, 216, 5, 1274395907, 10, 1842, 'Re: Team Expansion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'I cannot put enough emphasis on how I believe moving to 10 teams right now will be detrimental to the league. <br /><br />The idea of an expansion league is something that I am definitely in favor of looking into, however, we need to look at past mistakes and figure out how to do it right. With the IDDL, we treated it as a &quot;minor league&quot; to the IDL and here&#039;s my summation for how that worked out:<br /><br />-Awesomely for IDL teams, who could watch IDDL games and pick a player up from an IDDL squad at any time (since they were essentially considered free agents).<br /><br />-Terribly for the IDDL teams, who had no consistency and had their best players picked from their squads on a regular basis. This is not fun for players.<br /><br />So approaching the very real possibility of an expansion league, we have to ask some key questions based on what we&#039;ve learned in the past. <br /><br />-How do we balance allowing IDL teams to pull free agents from those teams? <br />-How do we place players into the expansion league? <br />-Will players be prevented from moving up onto an actual IDL team?<br /><br />Remember that the premiere &quot;A-League&quot; should always be our primary focus when answering these questions. We have to take precaution to make sure that any decisions on an expansion league do not have adverse affects to the main IDL teams.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1869, 218, 12, 1274661145, 19, 1869, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'I really had a post about the size of denny&#039;s all chock full of stats, history and what have you...All ready to post. Firefox.exe has encountered an error and needs to close!!! wtf!!!! But it&#039;s okay I&#039;ll notepad that shit next time. May or may not edit this post later for more clarity.<br /><br />EBL -&nbsp; :), ;), :D, ;D<br />DMR - Goatface, Stall, Killingblair, Nero<br />KGB - Tai, mike, Dewww, Collision<br />BSK - Jenova, Rus, Beast, Strangle<br />BBC - Nostar, Gyross, Joshsmith, Roscoe<br />FLS - LordBritish, Mantis-X, Hatred, Sabertooth<br />SPE - Shadow_Ghost, midian, X-Ray, Acolyte<br />SUC - Ralphis, Ladna, RottKing, Legion', 'xx', 1);
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	(1965, 224, 12, 1277079666, 19, 1965, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.15.224', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/200610/1277079622.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/200610/1277079619.png[/img]<br /><br />GGs.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1917, 222, 12, 1275933105, 130, 1917, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '208.54.35.36', 1, 1275933303, 'nostar', 'hey now i didnt mean it xen :) i think yr a solid captain. terrible ideas but solid in the showing up and playing parts. you picked a surprisingly good team imo and i expect u to play well in the IDC. suc is all gyross so u totally have mb in sight. <br /><br />but in all honesty i think u have risky ideas and dont play where youre best often enough. white will fix a lot and if dewww can best tt ull make at least conf.<br /><br />also strangle thinks hes much better than he is. its naive and a little funny to read now and again. fuckin rookies.<br /><br />in other news....collision, the best pick ! fu miek! middddddd whheeeerreeee rrrrrr uuuuuuuuu ?????', 'xx', 1);
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	(1506, 173, 11, 1266623897, 130, 1506, 'Re: Week7 Playoff Picture', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1266625691, 'nostar', 'The less interesting other side to this banter is that the IDC sucks ass and needs new captains regardless of who goes to the playoffs and who doesn&#039;t. Doomguy and Xen and Tai are shit captains and since I&#039;m the resident forum jerk I&#039;ll make it clear for all of you. Do not mistake my intention here. I&#039;m [b]NOT [/b]saying that they suck. They&#039;re all substantial players and will enhance the teams they land on assuming they continue to play. But the IDC has been a train wreck since the franchise era started and needs a serious overhaul to be anything even remotely interesting like the WDC is. Additionally I would like to say that the reason the WDC is competitive right now is a result of Cha0tix being invited late into the league and actively participating. We are a league of players and we should do more to encourage good players to not only stick around, but also participate.<br /><br />I have my opinions as to why the IDC is so shitty and I&#039;ll share them with you, like it or not! <br /><br />I think Xen, while a good player, is an abominable captain. He has bad ideas about different ways maps need to be approached and even worse ones about team building in a draft environment. I think Xen could be a preeminent defensive force on our league, it&#039;s just he has only drafted a good runner once in his entire captaincy (saber &lt;!&gt;).<br /><br />Tai is just a gun turret in my experience. If you force him into moving from his designated area he gets lost and starts running a flag for some reason. That is to say he&#039;s super dumb (and super lovable!) but that doesn&#039;t make up for the fact that he&#039;s bombing this season with 2 of the most effective runners our league has. He doesn&#039;t really practice and he&#039;s not around all that much and he&#039;s not that smart to offset those things (see Ladna&#039;s absence and seeming success). These are all bad captain traits. I&#039;d rather see people like Ladna and miek captain, who while handicapped by their respective situations, value coordinated ideas&nbsp; over the traditional 1o 1mid 1d retardation Tai seems to approach his games with.<br /><br />DG has had some weirdness happen, I know. However I didn&#039;t see his team going anywhere unless Dragan either cheated or cheated. Jen isn&#039;t a franchise, even though he likes to think he&#039;s the best player ever or whatever, this is empirically not the case. He&#039;s a good 3rd in this port and putting him in the &quot;team carrying&quot; role was a little shortsighted by Doomguy. Then, in addition to getting a weak franchise, he drafted Dragan who while sucking also isn&#039;t around much. I will say that KB was a total godsend and has made that team slightly better than SNAX. For having 3rd pick in the draft this is not a good reelection bid. <br /><br />Now I know that there aren&#039;t exactly a million volunteers for vacant captaincies. It is true that the league isn&#039;t that good at trying to find ways to make captaining appealing, or even playing at this point! I know that Ladna has found captaining a complete chore this season and rightly so. It fucking sucks. If there was a good system for administration it might lessen to awfulness that is any responsible role in IDL.<br /><br />That being said, I know of several major bulwarks of this community that are seriously considering not playing next season (for a variety of reasons) not the least of which is that IDL has lost a lot of the drama that made it fun. The IDL used to be that we all got on Sunday night to troll Tai and ctf. That was extremely fun and made the community seem worthwhile. Now it seems overly formal, faceless and impersonal. While there are not really any concrete ways to change this I am sure all of us have some ideas about how to make this a more fun league. Lets pitch in some. <br /><br />Server variety finally got some legs this week and maybe that will encourage people to put up their ideas to our useless and impotent administration. Who knows. <br /><br />The conclusion I am getting to is that the IDC sucks and has sucked for a while. Time to usher in some new captains and let Tai and Xen and Doomguy get back to frag-whoring on some smarter persons team. On the other hand...Yay SUC is a shoe in for the Masterbowl....AGAIN!<br /><br />Oh, and I think FLS, SPE and SUC are going to win. The only game I would consider worth watching is BSK v FLS. GL HF!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2024, 233, 12, 1278634351, 2, 2024, 'Re: Week 5 (Jul 5 - Jul 12) : ZDECTF2-01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', 'its 100 degrees so predictions will suck.<br /><br />KGB - EBL<br /><br />This could be a pretty interesting match.&nbsp; We have a much faster, but unaware Killing Browns, with quick guys like X-Ray and Joshsmith.&nbsp; On the other side we have a large fragging lineup, Hatred, Whiteboy and Xenaero.&nbsp; Gotta see what takes it on a map like this, I would normally guess speed but white will hold the middle like crazy and probably destroy KGB.&nbsp; That being said, if X-Ray gets in solid practice with KGB this could be a much closer game than I expect.&nbsp; Hatred will likely run for the Bills while Xenaero plays defense and Whiteboy plays rapefence.&nbsp; These guys are going to win the div if they win this week, gl!<br /><br />EBL 2-0. KGB&nbsp; Ultimately Whiteboy is just too crazy on an open map like this to be stopped.<br /><br />BBC - SPE<br /><br />:)<br /><br />SPE 2-0<br /><br />BSK - SUC&nbsp;  **GAME OF THE WEEK**<br /><br />Well I was going to think BSK was gonna take it so I won&#039;t bore you now.&nbsp; Intense match.<br /><br />BSK 2-1<br /><br />FLS - DMR<br /><br />Sorry DMR, you guys are just gonna lose this, better luck next season.<br /><br />DMR 2-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(3096, 351, 3, 1293119693, 73, 3096, 'Re: Whats good ?', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '99.71.124.161', 1, 0, '', 'You&#039;re so nice hatred.<br /><br />So you are zexon, but known as Tyree. Then aren&#039;t you &quot;Tyree&quot;, not &quot;Zexon&quot;.<br /><br />Just curious, the name you start playing with is the one you will have as long as you are in this league. I mean, people play with name changes, but not a full name change. like Ladna being Beardna, or Nostar being Crapstar, etc. Tyree and Zexon are waaay different, so make sure you start off with one that you don&#039;t mind using forever.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3613, 398, 14, 1299078850, 163, 3613, 'Re: That time of year again..', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.67.243.70', 1, 0, '', 'Xen, your avatars are ridiculous. I&#039;m not sure how you came across that individual shot of the Macho Man but it&#039;s friggin&#039; hilarious! ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3777, 410, 14, 1300307905, 30, 3777, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.201', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Sabertooth link=topic=410.msg3775#msg3775 date=1300305823]<br />I&#039;m sorry my sperm spawned these egos and I formally apologized for each and every single one of them.<br /><br />I will insure you all that I will watch where I blow my load from now on.<br /><br />P.S. It is easier to just blame me for everything and move on.<br /><br />P.P.S. I carry everyone at all times.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />but your avatar is lame use this<br /><br />[img]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071129035936/marveldatabase/images/8/88/Sabretooth_Back_to_Nature_Vol_1_1.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1774, 203, 1, 1272999831, 2, 1774, 'Re: Advertised Public idl2010h.wad Server? and 4v4 = 8v8 Advertised Public? ', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'how can anybody resist rudy??', 'xx', 1);
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	(2072, 234, 3, 1278904158, 69, 2072, 'Re: Hello', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '76.178.184.215', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;d just like to stress that playing priv is the best way to get noticed.&nbsp; A lot of the players who don&#039;t get picked don&#039;t play priv very often.&nbsp; It can be discouraging sometimes because new players don&#039;t often get picked in priv either, but stick with it and you&#039;ll &quot;break in&quot; to the player pool.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1520, 178, 11, 1266787383, 130, 1521, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1266787753, 'nostar', '90% of people will be &quot;All-arounders&quot; which is a useless position and like 3 people can actually do all the positions well enough to say that. Additionally, different players on different maps will have different strengths and captains need to be aware and play to their player&#039;s strength. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1871, 209, 12, 1274672254, 18, 1871, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'oath', 'mattthejedi@gmail.com', '71.10.57.148', 1, 0, '', 'agreed, for the record i think nostars pretty good at defense', 'xx', 1);
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	(1507, 173, 11, 1266635321, 19, 1507, 'Re: Week7 Playoff Picture', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 1266637814, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=173.msg1506#msg1506 date=1266623897]it&#039;s just he has only drafted a good runner once in his entire captaincy (saber &lt;!&gt;).<br />[/quote]<br /><br />One thing that isn&#039;t in question is that I play my heart out and have practiced my balls off. You can think what you want but with everyone saturating their rosters with a lot of optimum runners at the get-go, by the time I got my pick there wasn&#039;t anyone I wanted left other than mid-range defenders and players that weren&#039;t even around very often, or in some special cases, at all due to timezone differences. I even had to make a last ditch trade to salvage any team I had left. Bad captaining in picking who I did for my franchise, maybe. It&#039;s happened before where my team doesn&#039;t do well for reasons that can&#039;t be explained. Last season, I [b]did[/b] get who I wanted and we did do well.<br /><br />Although to reflect, I didn&#039;t exactly have clanmates that were die-hard ready to play by my side as a clan-based unit, such as SUC of old. Be that because everyone I like playing with was either spread apart wide across the board and basically already taken by the time I got my picks, invalidating a good part of my list, or the stigma that individuals like you have spread despite my repeatedly stunning performances in priv has spread enough to where players such as a caucasianyoungmale (just one example right there) have refused to accept a franchise position, I don&#039;t think the blame can be placed on me fairly.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1508, 174, 1, 1266641545, 19, 1508, 'ur attn plz', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://xen.unidoom.org/stuff/lava.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1735, 199, 12, 1271833554, 22, 1735, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Shadow_Ghost<br />Country: Canada<br />Email contact: Denny_1020@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: Denny_1020@hotmaill.com (MSN)<br />Regular Availability: Most Evenings', 'xx', 1);
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	(1776, 199, 12, 1273237783, 175, 1776, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'KalFoxis', 'KalFoxis@yahoo.com', '66.176.113.118', 1, 0, '', 'Name:KalFoxis<br />Country:USA<br />Email:KalFoxis@yahoo.com<br />YIM:KalFoxis<br />MSN:KalFoxisDraconus@hotmail<br />available anytime', 'xx', 1);
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	(1918, 222, 12, 1275933526, 49, 1918, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'Exclusive! Xenaero interview featuring his thoughts on Jake the Snake Tai!<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYRJLr90vSA', 'xx', 1);
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	(1510, 178, 11, 1266674962, 10, 1510, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][u]Response to Stallion[/u][/b][/center]<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=173.msg1509#msg1509 date=1266648773]The thing is, people don&#039;t want to get stuck with someone for an entire two seasons if the team doesn&#039;t end up too well.&nbsp; Which is kind of long.&nbsp; IMO, a franchise player might be someone who can&#039;t get traded to another team for that season only.[/quote]<br /><br />Not sure if you&#039;ve actually read the rules, but that&#039;s exactly what a franchise player is. A franchise player and captain must AGREE to play on the same squad. This applies to a potential second season. For example, if you didn&#039;t want to play with Mantis &amp; BBC for the second season, you could simply not re-franchise with him.<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=173.msg1509#msg1509 date=1266648773]As for team balance, have people apply for a &quot;franchise status&quot;.&nbsp; The board will then assign players to be franchise players and have them be first picks no matter what.&nbsp; This ought to be based on how active the player is, and how well they play.&nbsp; And not only on skill alone.&nbsp; So there&#039;s no clowning around and picking someone because you like them, because that doesn&#039;t seem to work.[/quote]<br /><br />Why not just do away with franchising in this case and let the player base decide who deserves to go in the first round? Why should league administration have to rank players who, once it comes down to picks 7/8, may not be the best fit for those teams?<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=173.msg1509#msg1509 date=1266648773]Oh and server variety plz kthnx.[/quote]<br /><br />This rule change passed last week which goes into effect in Summer 2010 season might be of interest to you.<br /><br />[quote author=2/15/10 IDL Rule Change link=topic=171.msg1496#msg1496 date=1266278730]<br />All games must be played on official IDL servers, which are listed on the IDL site. Games played on other servers will not be recognized. The server hosting the game must be agreed upon at least 24 hours before the game is scheduled to take place, and all rounds of said game must be played on the same server. In the event of server disputes, or should no discussion take place, TotalTrash Chicago will be used. Should the hosting server become unavailable during a scheduled game time, that game will be postponed.[/quote]<br /><br />[center][u][b]Other Stuff[/b][/u][/center]<br /><br />The community is currently going through a changing of the guard so to speak and, thus far, it appears bleak to someone who has been here for a decent deal of time. However, I ask that you look around you and compare our current player base to the player base from even two years ago. You&#039;ll find that, despite outcry that we&#039;re losing players, we&#039;re likely right around the same amount of players. They&#039;re just different faces.<br /><br />I feel that the biggest problem facing the IDL right now is that new people aren&#039;t stepping into leadership roles. As strong personalities like Chaindude, Humanbones, and others begin to cycle out, it&#039;s up to new blood to take the reigns and step into positions to continue to lead the league in the right path. Of the eight captains that started this season, only one of them is a rookie captain (Ladna). Where&#039;s the fire in the belly that players used to have?<br /><br />So the question becomes, how do we inspire new leadership, how do we get players to step their game up? Strong personality will only serve to attract more new players to the league.<br /><br />Also, as an added note, it would be helpful to the cause if some of our veterans (some of which complain about these issues) didn&#039;t try their best to make newer players feel like shit in the off-seasons because they aren&#039;t superstars yet. New players should be encouraged, not driven away.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1511, 178, 11, 1266689477, 130, 1511, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'The reason that people aren&#039;t &quot;stepping into leadership roles&quot; is twofold. First the IDL doesn&#039;t give them a chance to. Take Nero last season. He wanted to cap again and wasn&#039;t allowed to as I remember. Not that I necessarily want Nero as a captain, but the point stands that IDL doesn&#039;t exactly foster leadership mentality, during the season or in the off season. Second, leadership roles in the IDL suck ass. Ladna has found this out firsthand, I have been a pretty big advocate for IDL and a relatively active supporter of the league with both my time and money. And what, I get criticized for things I&#039;m contributing, Ralph is criticized for trying to make the IDL more competitive with less teams and franchising, Ladna is criticized for putting up an awesome stats interface and site because...it requires all IDL servers use his software. In the IDL leadership equals criticism and hassle with marginal payoff if any. I don&#039;t really like any of you enough to suffer that for another season.<br /><br />Giving new guys a hard time is part of doom from what I&#039;ve seen. It happened to me when I started and happens to most players who are new to our community from what I have seen. I know that I&#039;m one of the people who engages in this hazing but that is because I don&#039;t really feel like it drives off new talent. I mean list the people...Legion, Mistopher...um...Mention? I feel like, first of all, none of those people are new players and none of them have the intelligence to realize that I say the same things to Denny that I say to them. <br /><br />The competitive spirit of this league is dead because over the last few seasons people have been put in their place so soundly they have given up. Xen, Tai, Mantis, DG, and even bones have realized that if you want to win IDL you need to stack teams, take advantage of the gimp captain and be smarter than either myself or Ralphis. Most of them have decided it&#039;s not worth the hassle or are incapable. Both are pretty devastating to the drive of a player in my opinion.<br /><br />Additionally the league probably needs to be a little more forgiving to people like caboose and cha0tix and LB for all their IDL shenanigans and realize that active players who enhance IDL should be given the benefit of the doubt. I feel like IDL would be fun in different formats. The 9 week 3v3 on maps some douches choose has lost it&#039;s appeal to me. I know it&#039;s still a challenge for some people but out of the last three 12 week seasons I can&#039;t even count 5 games I thought were any good for my team. Let&#039;s play 4v4 one week or incorporate SmartCTF maps or start midseason draft back up. Have people go to zdplayers and skulltag and get the people who are active and interested to come play. Draft lottery, forum polling and a serious invective for all captains to take trading more seriously are all needed components our league is lacking. I&#039;ve been on the team that picked last or next to last 3 seasons in a row I think and I&#039;ve not only made playoffs I&#039;ve won a couple times. Some teams don&#039;t need a high draft pick and some teams do. We need a league that recognizes that and does the appropriate thing (see Denny v Ladna, 2009) in those circumstances. <br /><br />The reality we&#039;re in right now is that none of the people involved in IDL right now want to do this. The four most involved people that I can think of are pretty much ready to quit this game because it&#039;s just a bunch of pussies and hassle. I would say that if people want to keep this going they need to start contributing. Step up and captain, start games in #idl, throw out ideas on the forums, bring in new people to the community. From what I can see there won&#039;t be an IDL next season if people don&#039;t start putting forth the effort.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1814, 212, 1, 1274147129, 35, 1814, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'Why&#039;s he banned this time? I find him more tolerable than say mistopher.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1843, 216, 5, 1274405196, 7, 1843, 'Re: Team Expansion', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Well, the worst part for the IDDL teams wasn&#039;t that their players were drafted, it was that their [b]best[/b] players were drafted.&nbsp; Goatface&#039;s team was basically dominant until he was drafted, then it was a tossup between Rus and Nero/frog I can&#039;t remember (Welkin/Master maybe).&nbsp; With an IDL captain at the helm, this wouldn&#039;t be so bad; you&#039;re talking about having Dreever drafted away, not Ralphis.<br /><br />EDIT:<br /><br />I should say I&#039;m for expansion league, and less for expansion teams.&nbsp; The expansion teams are most likely gonna have shitty captains, so I don&#039;t see how it will be good PR for IDL.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1870, 209, 12, 1274664267, 49, 1870, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'total ragepost', 'xx', 1);
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	(8338, 820, 1, 1360497557, 75, 8338, 'Re: cartels paying IDL players to throw games', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/Zbh960X.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8234, 811, 28, 1360128604, 214, 8234, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '70.241.25.184', 1, 0, '', '[quote]- need some sort of centralized guide for the networking options. whether ingame or some online walkthrough, it would benefit everyone that has played or plans to play odamex[/quote]<br />I approached Hex into making a guide for players to new to Oda who have no clue what each network setting does. I&#039;m sure he&#039;ll get around to making a topic. If not, then someone else who is knowledgeable on the subject can post the guide at any time.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3097, 351, 3, 1293127907, 1993, 3097, 'Re: Whats good ?', 'Zexon', 'st.kenlord@yahoo.com', '24.165.25.248', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Quiksilver link=topic=351.msg3096#msg3096 date=1293119693]<br />You&#039;re so nice hatred.<br /><br />So you are zexon, but known as Tyree. Then aren&#039;t you &quot;Tyree&quot;, not &quot;Zexon&quot;.<br /><br />Just curious, the name you start playing with is the one you will have as long as you are in this league. I mean, people play with name changes, but not a full name change. like Ladna being Beardna, or Nostar being Crapstar, etc. Tyree and Zexon are waaay different, so make sure you start off with one that you don&#039;t mind using forever.<br />[/quote]<br />I wanna go by Tyree then :)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1966, 219, 1, 1277135279, 0, 1966, 'Re: Welcome to the Wild West', 'Fastidious', '', '112.200.157.45', 1, 0, '', ' ;D<br /><br />[img]http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/1651/janinecod.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8517, 843, 17, 1361593361, 267, 8517, 'Re: Franchising.', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '201.103.105.94', 1, 0, '', '[quote]and i think someone talked about have less teams as 6 or so. I think this solve all problems. [/quote]<br /><br />6 teams instead of 8 will definitely help.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3908, 420, 1, 1302304320, 55, 3908, 'Re: Seeking New Commissioner ', 'ReXn0r', 'yannik_marcos@hotmail.com', '187.172.50.202', 1, 0, '', 'Dosu is the right man, I can see it', 'xx', 1);
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	(4179, 446, 16, 1308258070, 7, 4179, 'Re: IDL.org Outage', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', 'Whew!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8626, 847, 28, 1362806800, 60, 8626, 'Re: Odamex player movement compared to ZD', 'Jkist3', 'jefferson.kist@duke.edu', '108.76.78.27', 1, 0, '', 'I agree that there is no free lunch for this scenario.&nbsp; However, from playing ZD for the past 10 years, I know that it offers a lower priced lunch than odamex currently does.&nbsp; A look at what ZD does to player positioning in the absence of command data might help us figure out how to lower our lunch prices to match theirs.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5320, 528, 17, 1321034623, 213, 5320, 'Re: Should people who don''t play in the IDL have a say in the IDL?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '97.92.40.97', 1, 0, '', 'Wow, maybe this is a real thread after all!<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=528.msg5302#msg5302 date=1320958923]I think that people who don&#039;t currently play in the IDL should have a &quot;say&quot;, in that I openly encourage them to express their opinions. With that said, I think that those who don&#039;t play have less of a voice compared to those that actively play season after season. Players who have played the last 8 seasons and sit for a season should still have a say as well. <br /><br />I don&#039;t personally think that non-players should spend time representing active players on the IDL Board, however that does not mean I think they are incapable of doing it right. My only issue with this is that non-players tend to become relatively more inactive than those who are still on active rosters. The plus side is that they will often have much less conflict of interest.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I pretty much agree with this entire reply.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=528.msg5204#msg5204 date=1320525328]perhaps he doesn&#039;t play this season, but I don&#039;t see how that makes him a non-player[/quote]<br /><br />Fast, you are right.&nbsp; I used &quot;non-player&quot; as as terminological shortcut.&nbsp; What I meant was &quot;Players Who Aren&#039;t Playing In This (next) Season&quot; or PWAPITS for short.<br /><br />[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=528.msg5287#msg5287 date=1320915045]I would like to echo Beast&#039;s entire post, basically.[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not sure what Beast said in that post, but I think you both missed the point.&nbsp; I will blow right past your strawman and say that my intention isn&#039;t to deflate your huge inflatable ego and trash your decade of prestigious DOOM endeavors.&nbsp; I think you&#039;re just as brilliant and sensitive as you do...<br /><br />My point is that there just is no logic as to whether Map09 should be included in the wad.&nbsp; All of your brains and experience have nothing to do with it.&nbsp; It&#039;s a brute matter of opinion, and nobody&#039;s opinion carries more weight than anybody else&#039;s, not even yours or Hatred&#039;s, except that Hatred is going to be affected by the outcome of the decision, and you are not.<br /><br />And any faux-reasoning to the tune of, &quot;Map31 shouldn&#039;t be included in the wad because it gives Tai a free ticket to the MB,&quot; or even, &quot;Map31 shouldn&#039;t be included in the wad because it is a stupid grind and it&#039;s stupid,&quot; whether it come from players or PWAPITS, should be trumped with the fact that most players like Map31 and want it in the wad (or, counterfactually, that they don&#039;t and it shouldn&#039;t).&nbsp; In fact, the faux-reasoning here is what seems Jafarish to me.<br /><br />Now let me turn right around and say that I only mean this for issues which are purely matters of opinion, like team-naming or map-inclusion.&nbsp; In a video-game league, pretty much all issues are like this because the only goal is to have fun, and most people know what will be fun for them.&nbsp; It is possible, however, that some issues (such as the draft?) involve more logic and reasoning, where skills like yours and mine can start to come into play.<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=528.msg5299#msg5299 date=1320950049]Thought I would add, what if the President of the United states and congress said fuck you your not in congress just stfu we know whats best [/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m glad you said this because this is [i]exactly[/i] how I think of it, except an analogous situation to the point I&#039;m making would be this: Whiteboy is a prominent and active citizen of the U.S. for 50 years (he has four purple hearts) until he moves to France and becomes a Frenchman.&nbsp;  He starts sending votes in an envelope back home telling the U.S. what law changes he would like to see, and The President tells him that, with all due respect, French citizens don&#039;t get to vote in America.&nbsp; They can voice their opinions, of course, and we will listen, but they don&#039;t get to vote (i.e., get a say) in law changes because they aren&#039;t affected by the law changes.&nbsp; If they ever become U.S. citizens again, they will of course be allowed to vote.<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=528.msg5315#msg5315 date=1321024892]<br />[b]25[/b] (52.1%) Voted that team names should be league designated<br />[b]23[/b] (47.9%) Voted that captains should choose their own names[/quote]<br /><br />Until a few days ago, Stallion was correct, and that opinion did hold the majority.&nbsp; One of these three overturning votes was obviously TheKillerNacho (on the grounds that the NFL is cool), who signed up for this season, and now I can hear Xen cackling in the background (because I have to eat my words and take his opinion into account).<br /><br />But there are two things about this poll: First, as I said from the beginning, if the first 3 radio buttons represent one option, then Dew severely (although unintentionally) skewed the results.&nbsp; This is a classic poll-skewing technique.&nbsp; To illustrate this, imagine if one option were given 99 buttons and the other given 1 button somewhere among them.&nbsp; How will the results turn out?&nbsp; If you want to quote numbers like that we will need a new poll.<br /><br />Second, of the four options (because there were [b]four[/b] options, not two), the option for captains naming their own team received the most votes by far, and clearly represents the most popular option.<br /><br />And that is exactly why I am in favor of it.&nbsp; If I thought most players didn&#039;t want it, then I wouldn&#039;t want it either.<br /><br />[quote author=Beast link=topic=528.msg5303#msg5303 date=1320960667]Just to add another point or line of thinking, what about the players who are &#039;inactive&#039; because they disagree with the rules or something of that nature?[/quote]<br /><br />That is an excellent point.&nbsp; I can assure you that, aside from this thread and one drunken game of priv, the board are constantly suckling on the toes of White, Fast, Chain, Jen, Rott, you name &#039;em, trying to get them to come back and play with us, asking them what we can change about the IDL to get them to play.&nbsp; And to be honest, we probably would change the rules to get these guys to join, even if it lost us some of the newer guys.&nbsp; What can I say, we just like them better.<br /><br />Of course, this doesn&#039;t contradict what I have been saying because, in that case, they would be playing this season!&nbsp; Why would we change the rules for them if it [i]didn&#039;t[/i] bring them back?&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t make any sense, and that&#039;s actually all I&#039;m saying.', 'xx', 1);
