Adhering to the banlist isn&#039;t just a Ralphis problem.&nbsp; It&#039;s a, &quot;if Ladna says something that offends Kilgore, he&#039;s banned and his team is destroyed&quot; problem.&nbsp; Putting both of those issues together, it&#039;s hard for me to try and run a league under those circumstances.<br /><br />And I don&#039;t mind a live-and-let-live agreement.&nbsp; But that means IDL chooses who plays on its servers.&nbsp; I&#039;m not unreasonable, if a fallback private server is the compromise then that&#039;s fine with me.<br /><br />I personally think one of the biggest reasons for IDL&#039;s success is that it lets players play ZDaemon without fear of heavy-handed administration.&nbsp; Our players can say what they want in IRC, our forums, and our servers.&nbsp; We have a very pragmatic set of rules that are easy to understand.&nbsp; We have no problems engaging with the IDL community about the decisions we make, and the consequences thereof.&nbsp; Compared to ZDaemon, where there can be no criticism whatsoever of the administration, and where players are sometimes banned for playing a certain way in a CTF server (the DX &quot;Ruining CTF&quot; debacle), I think the IDL is just a better environment.<br /><br />So what do we tell players if IDL goes public?&nbsp; &quot;Hey guys, watch what you say now because if you offend a ZD admin they&#039;ll ban you and ruin the season&quot;?&nbsp; I&#039;m not going to be the one who says that one of the best things about IDL (general freedom to say what you want and play however you want to) is hereby revoked.<br /><br />I&#039;m not trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here - I don&#039;t think this would happen to the majority of players - but I do think it [b]will[/b] happen, and we&#039;ll have to deal with it.&nbsp; Basically what that means is us asking the ZD administration to unban the guy so IDL isn&#039;t ruined that season, which will feel a lot like us strong-arming ZD because &quot;IDL is so great&quot;.&nbsp; Of course that&#039;s not what we&#039;re doing, we just want to play with our friends, and frankly we couldn&#039;t care less about who&#039;s banned on the ZD master as long as they can still play in IDL.<br /><br />On the face of it, it seems like IDL and ZDaemon would get along very well.&nbsp; ZDaemon&#039;s goal is to provide the best multiplayer Doom port, and IDL&#039;s goal is to provide fair, high-level ZDaemon CTF.&nbsp; Unfortunately politics have gotten in the way, which is really a sad thing.&nbsp; I&#039;d love to set the politics aside; but the fact is that none of this is under our control.&nbsp; We can&#039;t control who the ZD administration bans.&nbsp; We can&#039;t control who or what offends them.&nbsp; The ball has been in their court for a long time - IDL would like nothing better than to advertise servers all season long.&nbsp; But we refuse to have ZDaemon&#039;s administration enforce its politics on us.&nbsp; If &quot;accepting ZDaemon&#039;s support&quot; means we have to walk lock-step with their problems with other players and the way they run the community, then I don&#039;t think it&#039;s a fair trade.&nbsp; I don&#039;t participate in IDL for politics, I&#039;m not here to back anybody up or agree/disagree with someone&#039;s ban or argument, and I really can&#039;t see what any of that crap has to do with me at all.&nbsp; Let&#039;s just play some Doom.