blair rn was never any good why are you so fixated on it!!&nbsp; It is sort of sad to see tt starting to phase out of the public eye, I think there was public ctf dedicated there almost every night and it was usually full to the brim.&nbsp; I like the zd admins well enough but it makes no sense how sensitive they can be to suggestions or criticism.&nbsp; It is sometimes like dealing with children, you act reasonably and you only get kicking and screaming in return.&nbsp; I am not sure what most of us have done, beyond the cardinal sin of speaking with Ralphis (his ugly head has been known to crush many things) to earn the sort of distrust many of us are often met with.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;Lyfe&quot;]Well, you&#039;re not getting my support on two parts:<br />1- [b]untrusted f&#039;ing software.[/b]<br />2- private servers to avoid the ban list.<br />ZDS on the other hand..&nbsp; You should have just said something.[/quote]<br />[quote=&quot;Cybershark&quot;]<br />Oh, so longer intermissions are approved for inclusion in future iterations of ZD by the [b]high-and-mighty IDL governing body,[/b] but shorter ones are not?&nbsp; You&#039;ll have to pardon me for trying to see a bigger picture here and how making this dynamic could best suit everyone.<br />[/quote]<br />[quote=&quot;Kilgore&quot;]<br />The IDL issue: this is related to the ralphis issue. When that gentleman got banned from here, he [b]tried to come up with a zdaemon alternative so he could take our players away.[/b] That was an attempted resurrection of csdoom (renamed to odamex). He soon realized how much work it is to make and maintain a doom port, so this was abandoned. His next attempt was a league running on private servers so ralphis can play on it and also &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot; (by taking zdaemon players out of public servers). That league was IDL. So.... what&#039;s the argument? support a league run by ralphis and whose purpose is to &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot; ? are we crazy here? If you guys want zdaemon to support a league (any league), make sure it doesn&#039;t run on private servers; if it does, then [b]you&#039;re not doing zdaemon any favor and zdaemon will reciprocate.[/b] <br />Ladna and his IRC bot: even if we wanted to support the IDL [b](which we don&#039;t)[/b], there is no way we&#039;d let random people run bots on our chat server: there was a reason we went to the trouble of making our own chat client and our own server, and that was to control what sort of software runs in there.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I am too lazy to find some others I have seen.&nbsp; Many intentions by the IDL are seen as negative or counter-productive for reasons I do not quite understand.&nbsp; As Ladna said already, they dump lots of time and money into this hobby of theirs, I can fully understand why he doesn&#039;t want to support Zdaemon any longer.&nbsp; Perhaps it is too much to think children can grow up in 4-5 years and become reasonable adults, there is no forgiveness here.&nbsp; Note that these posts are just reactions to posts by people involved with the IDL.&nbsp; Some of these people (cybershark I believe) have moved past their initial feelings when more fully exposed to us, but why is this even the case?<br /><br />Ultimately it would be nice to see something come of this, but that does not seem possible.&nbsp; The ruts are nearly deep enough that we cannot see the other any longer.&nbsp; Sometimes it seems as if anything suggested by people associated with the IDL is opposed simply to oppose the IDL.&nbsp; Humanbones is no longer active within either realm (to the best of my knowledge) and it seems the only slight connection we had to Zdaemon has been cut.<br /><br />Hopefully our rut leads somewhere cool, like Atlantis, or Albania.&nbsp; Also I plan to turn the lights off at the first possible chance and renact the Mars War for the rest of eternity!&nbsp; I am going to stick by Blair though, that guy is a digging machine.&nbsp; I am not really sure where I am going with this because all I can think about is light switches now so goodbye.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;Oath&quot;]<br />ATTENTION EVERYBODY: Do NOT break your wrist or you&#039;ll get kicked from BTK.<br />[/quote]<br />everybody look at what a scumbag blair is, he kicked poor oath off btk<br /><br />P.S.&nbsp; k5myh was and is the best TDM team ever, lets start a tdm league god I have been waiting so long.