[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]<br />I can think you had a good season as captain and still not think you&#039;re a good captain in general. I think that is valid.[/quote]<br /><br />I actually wasn&#039;t trying to make it look as if you were contradicting yourself. I found it a bit funny that you managed to still throw a jab at me while congratulating me.&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]Also what dewww and I are saying is we think that &quot;lumping&quot; of categories is stupid and devalues the ROY award, which as I said, is indicative of very specific things. My solution to that was to have 2 different categories and I posted a nominee for both.[/quote]<br /><br />Sure. I don&#039;t have a problem with two different awards. The only reason why I went along with what Ralph had suggested in another thread is because this season didn&#039;t have your typical &quot;breakout rookie.&quot; I suppose by default, Null and Delusion are perhaps the only rookies who saw significant playtime.&nbsp; Majik even played a few, he should definitely be in contention with Free Agent of the Year with Capo! Alas, Strangle hatesigned him to make sure that wouldn&#039;t happen! :(<br /><br /><br /><br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]You mean because he was on your team AND had his best statistical season ever?[/quote]<br /><br />I mean he had his best statistical season ever while being the driving force behind our success. Call it bias because he&#039;s my teammate but he was so clutch for us all season. I had 47 total captures while never running and most of that can be contributed to him flat out dominating mid. I really didn&#039;t do anything special, it really was him mostly. <br /> <br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]While he did have his best season statistically he isn&#039;t far off from his previous stats. Not out of line with a stats bump someone might get playing on a better team.[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t dispute that entirely. Generally top teams have guys across the board with league leading stats. In past season&#039;s however, I dare say he never played this well. With the addition of playing over teamspeak and showing the willingness for allowing me to help his game, the guy is simply playing the best he ever has. The stats suggest that as well as our record. Without him, I doubt we&#039;re undefeated. <br /><br />I should also point out that Chaindude made an argument for Shakal being the MVP and one of his points was that Shakal was totally inactive prior to the season starting. This wasn&#039;t entirely true because he played somewhat. Bloodstrike, on the other hand, wasn&#039;t anywhere to be found and just appeared. Then he did what he did for us. <br /> <br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]]Furthermore lots of guys had their best statistical season ever. You, Chaindude and Prime all had your best statistical seasons ever.[/quote]<br /><br />Correction, I had my best statistical season ever as a runner. And for someone who has never done that, a strong mid presence certainly helps. I blame bitchstrike for my success. Also, I&#039;ve never run an entire season and the other seasons I was D or mid. In the past two seasons, I&#039;ve topped out with at least 1,000 frags. I lost to you by one frag last winter. Fuck!<br /><br />Also, Prime did [b]not[/b] have his best statistical season this season. It was last season when he had 1,056 frags, averaged 44 frags a round, had 8 flag pick captures and had 167 flag touches. However, Prime played the best he ever has this season and the stats don&#039;t necessarily reflect that. So..&nbsp; &nbsp; <br /><br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]However one of those players was on a team that wasn&#039;t stacked, lost their first rounder and still won his division.[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m not disputing that Prime didn&#039;t man up this season. In fact, if you saw my awards, I gave him the captain of the year award. As far as breakout goes? He broke out last season. I gave him props for being an awesome leader for keeping that team together and doing what he did, which reflects on his abilities more as a captain than a breakout player.<br /> <br />[quote=&#039;&#039;nostar&quot;]Another one of those players broke the all-time flag cap record by means you wish to diminish for some reason.[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t diminish all of them. I only diminish the ones where people suicided in front of your flag to give him those extra captures. That being said, I wouldn&#039;t argue that he was on fire this season. Dude played really well.<br /><br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]Even you are a better breakout candidate for coming off of 3 losing seasons, 2 as a captain, and going undefeated.[/quote]<br /><br />Hey man, I made the play-offs last winter! I went undefeated because I finally figured out that drafting Metalhead was a no-no. But alas, that reflects more on my captaining skill, not me being some breakout player. You&#039;ve always known I&#039;m a beast! ;)<br /><br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;] I think Blood had a good season. I think he had a good season last year and the year before too, and yeah his rookie season that he won the MB wasn&#039;t too shabby either.[/quote]<br /><br />He had a decent season last year (by the way, Junior had 31 flag captures last season, what has he done without Bloodstrike since???). But he has never been this good statistically. He has never been this good in terms of preparing himself, practicing or playing with an actual idea of what it is he&#039;s trying to accomplish. He passed the eye-ball test this season in a way he&#039;s never done in any season.&nbsp; <br /><br /><br />[quote=&quot;nostar&quot;]I think if you want to gives these awards on merits your arguments are weak. Then again say what you want. They are just opinions.[/quote]<br /><br />You think my arguments are weak because you simply don&#039;t agree with them. I gave several different arguments for why I voted for him, none of which seem to be weak to me. But hey, you&#039;re right, say what you want. They are just opinions. <br /><br />[quote=&quot;dew&quot;]nonsense. you are trying to make me sound ridiculous and overly emotional..[/quote]<br /><br />No, not at all! I was just having a little bit of fun with you. Apparently you didn&#039;t think it was fun. :( <br /><br />[quote=&quot;dew&quot;]but the fact is - you are still picking your homeboy over players with the &quot;exact&quot; same traits and better stats.[/quote]<br /><br />Who had better stats, dew? All of WAD? That&#039;s about it. And for fragging stats, they only have more because they played 4 more rounds than he did. There&#039;s no way you can really dispute that, is there? More rounds = more frags. <br /><br />[quote=&quot;dew&quot;]every blood&#039;s quality you mentioned goes twice for chaindude, so i guess he should be the breakout/rookie player of the year.[/quote]<br /><br />Aside from having 4 more rounds of play than Blood, Chain only outgained blood by 35 frags. So no, they don&#039;t go twice. Only in terms of flag captures and that&#039;s about it. Obviously Blood was not our runner. Also, Shakal only beat him by 15 frags (granted, Shakal only played in 21 rounds because he was benched for some reason against us) while having two extra rounds. Blood&#039;s frag ratio is better than Chaindude&#039;s (which should be expected, he ran mostly) and Shakal&#039;s as well.<br /><br />So for merits sake, I don&#039;t know what more the guy could do. I suppose you could make a case I&#039;m arguing more for him as an MVP but I probably wouldn&#039;t go that far. Here it is: given what he&#039;s done in the past, did you really think he&#039;d play the way he did and have more frags than both Stall and I? Probably not. He has been solid in season&#039;s past, that&#039;s about it. This season he was one of the [b]best players in the league.[/b] Would you have thought of him as an allstar in past seasons? Probably not.<br />To make that sort of jump is a break out, I&#039;m not sure how you can really dispute that.