[quote author=Massvc]Is it only half of the players who are crying because LAG and refuse to play their games with the other half, or is it the whole league that&#039;s crying themselves to sleep?<br />Did you guys not know for the past decade that lag is a part of online doom because it is the fastest competitive FPS?&nbsp; Is the trail of tears mostly being led by current and former board members and an absent commissioner, whose job it is to deal with complaints instead of wage them?&nbsp; I drink your tears.&nbsp; I drink them up.[/quote]<br /><br />I believe it&#039;s pretty much everyone at this point.&nbsp; There are some seriously strange occurrences that happen throughout a game that simply shouldn&#039;t be happening.&nbsp; Bug fixes that should of been fixed a long time ago, weren&#039;t.<br /><br />As for the people labeled as &quot;whiners&quot;, most of them, including myself, have helped report bugs to the devs numerous times.&nbsp; Some get resolved, some don&#039;t.&nbsp; It seems like some people think we&#039;re just bashing Odamex because we have nothing better to do.&nbsp; It&#039;s come to the point where I literally can&#039;t get a dev to follow me into a server to show them a bug.&nbsp; These &quot;whiners&quot; have been playing Doom longer than most in this community.&nbsp; Come to think of it, I don&#039;t really see you play much.&nbsp; Even when you&#039;re in a server you&#039;re usually on the sidelines watching.&nbsp; So your knowledge of how well it actually plays is quite limited.<br /><br />We&#039;ve obviously have played with lag before, lag is not the issue here.&nbsp; The issue, from what I can gather to my knowledge is a clusterfuck of mispredictions.&nbsp; As you can see with this image:[img]http://i.imgur.com/tpxVBMi.png[/img]<br /><br /><br />They were taken on the exact same tic.&nbsp; The one on the left is what I saw, the one of the right is without the movement prediction command enabled.&nbsp; Now, I&#039;m no programmer, I don&#039;t know what exactly caused this to happen.&nbsp; But it&#039;s pretty damn clear that there&#039;s something wrong with the prediction for it to be showing me one thing, but actually being something way off.&nbsp; Now you can imagine how this can have an effect on the game, and one&#039;s mental state.&nbsp; Just go ahead and ask Saber, or Nosturi how happy I was on ts during the masterbowl game season 1 [which we won] on Odamex.&nbsp; I wasn&#039;t, at all.&nbsp; Not even after we won the game.&nbsp; I was mostly disappointed that I had to endure that garbage for what 6 rounds?&nbsp; Odamex didn&#039;t kill IDL, it&#039;s killing my hairline.<br /><br />As someone who has been on top of the frag% and frag count in numerous seasons, I can say playing this port is literally a nightmare.&nbsp; Each shot is a coin flip, no matter how you try to adjust.&nbsp; Leading shots, trailing, or shooting directly at the sprite have different outcomes on each player.&nbsp; I could care less about playing with latency.&nbsp; Because I was always able, and still am, to adjust to ping differences on other ports.&nbsp; Odamex is just a crap shoot.<br /><br />[quote author=Massvc]&quot;Odamex is broken.&quot; Bullshit.&nbsp; We&#039;ve played thousands of successful rounds of CTF on Odamex, and we never drowned ourselves in baby-urine and cry-snot before.&nbsp; Is the new version so bad?&nbsp; Go back to the old version.&nbsp; I&#039;m not an oda-sympathizer; I&#039;m a classic oda-hater, but I&#039;m an even bigger baby-hater.&nbsp; I wish I could drown them all in a bathtub.&nbsp; This strikes me as one of the easiest-to-fix problems the IDL has ever faced.[/quote]<br /><br />What you fail to realize is that the reason we can&#039;t go back to the last version is because the last version had a pretty serious server crash on restart bug.&nbsp; And going even further back brings back even more bugs that were fixed in 6.3.&nbsp; It&#039;s not a simple fix.&nbsp; One of the major selling points to moving to oda was the direct communication with the devs.&nbsp; Since the only one who seemed to give a shit was Dr.sean, I can only imagine that he&#039;s been up to his limit with work to do on something that is done on his free time.&nbsp; Leaving him to do all the work just seems absurd, and bad project management.<br /><br />I thought the plan was to finish the season, and dust off our hands.&nbsp; To my knowledge Watermelon was put in charge of scheduling, and well, here we are.