INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8833, 876, 1, 1364852939, 145, 8833, 'Re: HOLA!?', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '81.159.143.57', 1, 0, '', 'Ello mate, not much has changed other than I&#039;ll beat u at dweller2 map11', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1736, 199, 12, 1271833830, 30, 1736, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '70.92.142.104', 1, 0, '', 'Name:Beast<br />email:duffman AT UWM DOT EDU<br />captain : no<br /><br /><br />I plan to play this summer, I might be gone for two weeks in july<br />most evenings im available', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4626, 136, 1, 1314220286, 75, 4626, 'Re: It''s coming', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/ffs...what_kind_of_art_is_this.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6304, 617, 20, 1330328158, 163, 6304, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '108.73.171.245', 1, 0, '', 'The map actually has some broken spots that need to be addressed. Here are some screenshots:<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/6H9g2.png[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/c61wx.png[/img]<br /><br />As you can see, the DooM marines sprite appears to be inside of the sector. He&#039;s actually on top. When positioned correctly, the sprite can actually disappear from view entirely. In order to do this, you must rocket jump on top of there, which doesn&#039;t seem very feasible. But it&#039;s not as hard as you may suspect to pull off in game, especially during a flag standoff during a chaotic rush to return flags. <br /><br />Not trying to add another knock on an already disliked map, nor am I pointing out that the board should have tested this. We actually discovered this by mistake so it&#039;s pretty tough to expect anyone to detect this bug. I&#039;m not sure if it&#039;s a broken sector or just another ZDaemon bug, either way it should be fixed if possible. <br /><br />Just a heads up if anyone is interested. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2080, 232, 12, 1278914784, 147, 2080, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=232.msg2078#msg2078 date=1278914050] uh I can&#039;t think of anyone else.&nbsp; So there.&nbsp; <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Me last year.&nbsp; I signed up, was nothing but active, and kicked a lot of ass.&nbsp; Sure I got in eventually, but I was real pissed.&nbsp; So yeah you guys screwed up there.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2134, 239, 12, 1279772480, 163, 2134, 'Re: Week 7 (Jul 19 - Jul 25) : 32in24-7 MAP27 (MAP32) - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'Super Chargers vs Brokeback Cowboys<br /><br />LB really summed it up best. I see this map as possibly the only map SUC would be able to defeat BBC in. This is a map Ralphis can literally take over and dominate an entire team in, even with Nostar&#039;s vaunted defense. Rottking will have to come up huge against mike, in all seriousness, he is an amazing runner and a high IQ player so Rott will have to be at his best to slow him down. <br /><br />Another person who will be key is Midian. I&#039;m not sure how he typically does in maps like this, but if he can slow down ralph/gyross ralph/hero, then that should be enough for Nostar and crew to escape with a narrow win.<br /><br />So, given the circumstances of this match-up, I look for this to be one of the most intense matches of the year. Unfortunately,<br />even with Ralph at the helms, I see BBC escaping here with their closest victory yet. <br /><br />BBC 1-0-2<br /><br />BSK vs KGB.<br /><br />If I wasn&#039;t an active player with an IDL team capable of making a championship run, I would be picking BSK to win it all at this point. To me, they are the most balanced team in the entire IDL. With Jen being able to do his thing in the flag-running game and one of the most aggressive fragging players in Stall, BSK can compete with any team. Saber is considered their #3 player in my eyes, which tells you how stacked they are when you take into account that he could arguably be a #1 player in todays IDL. They&#039;ve finally figured it out and have been firing on all cylinders these last few weeks, so I look for them to completely wipe KGB off the face of this earth with their most impressive victory yet.<br /><br />With Stall holding D down, I don&#039;t see KGB getting one flag. This one is going to get ugly, folks. <br /><br />BSK 2-0 (10-0)<br /><br />FLS vs SPE<br /><br />Despite some very fortunate breaks in last weeks thriller, FLS may finally have gotten on track after such an intense game last week. They needed to respond and they did, albeit that the game was a tie, given the circumstances of it, I think it&#039;s a match that gave them something they&#039;ve been lacking all season: confidence. <br /><br />Like BSK, I view FLS as another balanced team when operating well. When Rus plays defense like he did last week, FLS can compete with anyone at anytime. In order for them to bring it up another notch, LB has to figure out how to improve his connection and become a more meaningful asset. When LB is playing well, talkin&#039; trash and runnin shit like his 2-1-6 blood was meant to do, nobody wants to see that team. In this map, that&#039;s exactly what you&#039;re going to see. Rus will continue his dominance on defense while Ladna rocks the middle. In the meantime, LB will be scoring flags in a variety of ways with comments such as &quot;rofl @ 3 D...I&#039;m gr8...\\o/Ohio\\o/..: <br /><br />So this is it FLS, this is a statement game for you. Was last week a fluke or are you finally confident enough to start kicking ass like you&#039;re capable of. As for SPE, a team with remarkable talent, it&#039;s too bad it will end Mantis&#039; postseason appearance mark. Nonetheless, it tells you what state the mode of DooM CTF is in. 5 Years ago, a team like this would absolutely demolish any competitors, now it&#039;s barely able to make .500 and win. It&#039;s too bad they&#039;re in the WDC, they&#039;d most likely be in a better situation if they were in the IDC (though it&#039;s debatable). <br /><br />Not really much of an insight there but you get the message.<br /><br />FLS 2-0<br /> ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6618, 642, 17, 1333349851, 163, 6618, 'Re: Hatred won a masterbowl', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.50.8.112', 1, 0, '', 'To be FAIR, I made the playoffs last winter and was responsible for one of the greatest IDL playoff games of all time (EBL vs SUC, map28). But yes, I am the world champion and I vividly remember a select few claiming &quot;I would never beat them.&quot; I did. Twice. :) ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2168, 243, 12, 1281127333, 10, 2168, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[center]<br />[b][color=navy]International Doom League[/color][/b]<br /><br />Hatred<br />Goatface<br />Gyrossman<br />RottKing<br />Whiteboy<br /><br />[b][color=red]World Doom Conference[/color][/b]<br /><br />Ladna<br />Jenova<br />Mikehail<br />Nostar<br />RussianDumbass<br />[/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3098, 345, 14, 1293153091, 89, 3098, 'Re: Winter 2010 Post-Draft Discussion &amp; Debate', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.185.51', 1, 0, '', 'How can you even say incompatible when we haven&#039;t even started playing any maps but 07.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1815, 212, 1, 1274148025, 15, 1815, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.88.198', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah Legion isn&#039;t that bad, why the hate?', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1516, 178, 11, 1266693829, 0, 1516, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Fastidious', '', '75.4.135.219', 1, 0, '', 'I should probably captain every season I play in because I&#039;m a cocky, arrogant, out spoken bastard and I think I can do better than almost everyone at it.&nbsp; I even disagreed a lot with Chaindude and most people would say he was one of the best IDL captains.&nbsp; I didn&#039;t make a big deal out of it because he was the captain and team unity is often more important than what strategy or tactics we ultimately use.&nbsp; I don&#039;t like playing for someone, haha.<br /><br />Why don&#039;t I then?&nbsp; I don&#039;t really want to be responsible for a team.&nbsp; If some major issue happens I don&#039;t want to be stuck with it for a whole season.&nbsp; I felt betrayed by Nero last season and without bringing that issue back up for debate I couldn&#039;t stop playing as a captain.&nbsp; I mean could, but I wouldn&#039;t.&nbsp; If you end up having a really shitty team which is going to barely win being in the IDL is a burden.&nbsp; When I was on TMNT we had a weak team and needed help but there was no help we had to endure a long shitty hopeless season.&nbsp; Who wants to show up and practice or play matches without even a slight chance of winning?&nbsp; Playing itself is fun but getting &quot;raped&quot; isn&#039;t.&nbsp; This is one reason why I did like the mid season draft a lot since it offered hope.&nbsp; Maybe the seasons are just too long, there always seems a lull after a few weeks.&nbsp; Perhaps they should just be 4-6 weeks then playoffs?&nbsp; I personally think it&#039;d be cool if all teams don&#039;t play each other then if they meet in playoffs it is a big unknown.<br /><br />I&#039;d like us to try different things.&nbsp; Maybe a week each team can pick any map in the IDL wad, then the tie breaker is chosen at random.&nbsp; So rnd 1 would be team A&#039;s map, rnd 2 would be team B&#039;s map and rnd 3 if needed would be random selected.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know about you but that sounds kinda fun to me.&nbsp; Most of us have enough experience in the IDL approved maps that we could go with it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t really like practicing one map all week.&nbsp; In Quake and almost every other FPS teams play matches every week of a combination of different maps.&nbsp; It means more variety and more excitement since you can never know what teams will pick.<br /><br />Do we really need captains?&nbsp; Sure we need someone to provide a bit of leadership on a team(submit times only, right?) but do we need someone in charge of strategy, drafting or trading?&nbsp; Teams should be able to discuss that and decide themselves.&nbsp; I don&#039;t like how captains are given arbitrary authority over me as a player.&nbsp; They often make bad decisions or abuse their power.&nbsp; Many trades or even drafts have left players disillusioned for a season thinking, WTF?&nbsp; Why did he pick or trade me?<br /><br />The league needs to be more inclusive.&nbsp; I remember Ralph quoted team results for past seasons and just because of how statistics work out you are going to get the near same results with 8 invite player made teams or 12 open sign up teams.&nbsp; We need to attract more people.&nbsp; Perhaps teams should be larger and then there is less duty for people to always play each week.&nbsp; Perhaps teams should have to use each player at least one round per match each week so everyone does get some play time.&nbsp; The league shouldn&#039;t be so competitively focused since politics is often the main reason teams win not strategy.&nbsp; SUC dominated two seasons because of the personal connection of Nostar and Potent which is pure politics.&nbsp; Doom shouldn&#039;t be about stacking teams before the season even starts or securing talent at the behest of your enemies teams.&nbsp; It should be about fun.&nbsp; Look at SPE this season, just by luck of the draw they got superb positioning.&nbsp; Given the strength of their captain they should not have been where they were in the ranking but the IDL always sticks to rules even if they don&#039;t make practical sense.<br /><br />What about maps?&nbsp; I know some people prefer slow boring cramped defensive grind maps.&nbsp; I sure don&#039;t.&nbsp; You can still have a slow low scoring game on a offensive map, your D just has to be really good.&nbsp; I prefer maps that are full of flag captures, stand offs, and general mayhem.&nbsp; I hate maps where it is a challenge to touch a flag let alone cap.&nbsp; This isn&#039;t fucking TDM, it&#039;s CTF!&nbsp; I love TDM too and am probably better at it than CTF but the rush and fun of CTF is tied to flags and teamplay.&nbsp; Personally I think the summer season should be berserk themed with maps chosen that are very high scoring by default and hard to defend against.&nbsp; Hopefully Smart CTF can be played some as the maps are developing quite nicely.&nbsp; If not then use maps such as ZDCTF map03(which was awesome this season, even if I don&#039;t like it too much) or ZDCTF map18, etc.&nbsp; Those are fun action intense maps.&nbsp; They are hard to play D on.&nbsp; I don&#039;t ever want to play another match where the best strategy on both teams is to play crazy heavy D which is almost 3D(hello SUC vs DMR map27).<br /><br />I could post a lot more and maybe I will later...', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6910, 673, 17, 1338068125, 157, 6910, 'Re: is odamex ready for idl competition?', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '71.115.99.65', 1, 0, '', 'ralphis do I have to document specific problems? go talk to xenaero, saber, dew, decay, and other players about problems they experience', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(7055, 684, 22, 1340160381, 0, 7055, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.40.37.104', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=684.msg7054#msg7054 date=1340145490]<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=684.msg7013#msg7013 date=1339872704]<br />[u][B]Killing Browns[/B] - [I]Tai, Rosking, Demonsphere, Shogun[/I][/u]<br /><br />CHAMPIONSHIP! : )<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Not feeling it.<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6903, 669, 23, 1338064973, 0, 6903, 'Re: Green Division Results &amp; Demos', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.40.102.132', 1, 0, '', 'vs Spider<br /><br />Demos:<br />http://www.sendspace.com/file/keisui<br />http://www.sendspace.com/file/296s5g<br /><br />Screenshots:<br />http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/256/odamexduel2012052617233.jpg/<br />http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/3/odamexduel2012052617305.jpg/<br /><br />Fun games.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8339, 820, 1, 1360523767, 2196, 8339, 'Re: cartels paying IDL players to throw games', 'thevarian', 'thevarian@Hotmail.com', '68.104.89.164', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/fb/Tenchu.jpg/256px-Tenchu.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(7061, 687, 22, 1340208194, 0, 7061, 'Free Agents/Trade History Discussion', 'Soul Sucka', '', '189.114.181.246', 1, 0, '', 'Sorry Capo, nothing against you dude. :( ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1777, 204, 12, 1273291293, 10, 1835, 'Summer 2010 Invite List', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1274325105, 'mikefails', 'What follows is the invite list for the Summer 2010 season of the International Doom league. With the exception of the 8 confirmed captains, all following players who confirm themselves to be in the league will be available for drafting and entered into free agency (will be able to be drafted or picked up from any team until Wednesday of Week 5).<br /><br />A quick definition:<br /><br />[b]Free Agency[/b] - Any player who is not a captain is placed into free agency. The player remains a free agent until they are drafted to a team or until the trading deadline ends and roster changes are no longer allowed.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[b]IDL Summer 2010 Captains (*Denotes captain new to their club)[/b]<br /><br />* Xenaero - Electric Bills<br />* Tai - Killing Browns<br />* Goatface* - Doom Raiders<br />* Ralphis - Super Chargers<br />* Jenova* - Berserker Packers<br />* Shadow Ghost - Spread Eagles<br />* Nostar* - Brokeback Cowboys<br />* LordBritish* - Flag Steelers<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Any player on this list must contact a member of the IDL Administration, either the commissioner or board member, to confirm or deny their IDL invite. Any invites not responded to by Saturday, May 15th (11:59pm EST) will be voided. <br /><br />Any players who signed up [b]-directly-[/b] (as in, somebody else did not fill out their signup post) automatically had their invite accepted.<br /><br />The draft will occur some time between May 22-31st where teams will fill their roster with the required four players (order determined by Summer 2009 draft lottery).<br /><br />Trading is unlimited during pre-season. Teams will be able to make a maximum of three trades from the beginning of Week 1 through Wednesday of Week 5, with one trade per week permitted. Teams may not trade if they have played their game during that week and must wait until the following week to trade.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />This invite list was voted on and approved by the IDL Board.<br /><br />Invites bolded are confirmed players. Invites with a strike out are those who denied their invite.<br /><br />[b]IDL Summer 2010 Free Agency Invites[/b]<br /><br />* [b]Acolyte[/b]<br />* [b]Beast[/b]<br />* [b]Capodecima[/b]<br />* [s]Chaindude[/s]<br />* [s]cha0tix[/s]<br />* [b]Collision[/b]<br />* [s]DevastatioN[/s]<br />* [b]Dewww[/b]<br />* Doomguy666<br />* Dragan<br />* [b]Dreever[/b]<br />* [s]Fastidious[/s]<br />* [b]Frozen[/b]<br />* [s]Gilgamesh[/s]<br />* [b]Gyrossman[/b]<br />* [b]Hatred[/b]<br />* [b]Hellgnaw[/b]<br />* [b]Hourglass[/b]<br />* [s]HumanBones[/s] THE END OF AN ERA<br />* [b]ItalianStallion[/b]<br />* JKist3<br />* [b]Joshsmith[/b]<br />* [b]KalFoxis[/b]<br />* [b]Killemall[/b]<br />* [b]Killingblair[/b]<br />* [s]Kov[/s]<br />* [b]Ladna[/b]<br />* [b]Legion[/b]<br />* [b]Malignity[/b]<br />* [b]Mandolore[/b]<br />* [b]Mantis-X[/b]<br />* [b]Marax[/b]<br />* [s]METALBLACK[/s]<br />* [b]midian[/b]<br />* [b]mikehail[/b]<br />* [b]MionicDonut[/b]<br />* [b]Mistopher[/b]<br />* [b]Nazz[/b]<br />* [b]Nero[/b]<br />* [s]Noisy[/s]<br />* [s]Oath[/s]<br />* [b]OurHero[/b]<br />* [b]Quiksilver[/b]<br />* [b]Rexn0r[/b]<br />* [b]Roscoe[/b]<br />* [s]Rosebird[/s]<br />* [b]RottKing[/b]<br />* [b]RussianDumbass[/b]<br />* [b]Sabertooth[/b]<br />* [s]Shakal[/s]<br />* [b]Souler[/b]<br />* [b]Strangle[/b]<br />* [b]Sunoska[/b]<br />* [s]Swag[/s]<br />* [b]Swiftshot[/b]<br />* [b]Vampire Knight[/b]<br />* [b]Whiteboy[/b]<br />* [b]WraithVerge[/b]<br />* [b]X-Ray[/b]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1737, 199, 12, 1271833950, 163, 1737, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 1271834117, 'Hatred', 'Name:HateDaddy<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: Jbetts21@live.com<br />Instant Message: n/a (#idl - zdirc and qnet)<br />Regular Availability: Work schedule: 3pm-11pm EST M-F, occasionally work Sundays. Work on a rotation of 1 Saturday every 7 weeks. <br />Weekends are definitely best for me as I&#039;m usually home then. I&#039;m readily available at those times.<br />I will be gone on vacation June 20th-June26th.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1920, 222, 12, 1275936903, 2, 1920, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'has xen ever beaten tai in idl??&nbsp; I think I remember 1 season of EBL taking div and the rest was KGB iirc.&nbsp; Also, collision is probably better than at least half the first round drafts which is pretty funny since we got him at 21st pick D:&nbsp; I plan to cheez my way to a masterbowl!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1778, 205, 12, 1273292827, 10, 1778, 'IDL Summer 2010 Rule changes', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[list]<br />[li][url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=200.0]Franchising ended. Draft returns to three rounds.[/url][/li]<br /><br />[li]IDL Draft Lottery (Rule Pending)[/li]<br /><br />[li][url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=171.0]Alternate servers - Official Server Expansion[/li]<br /><br />[li][url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=172.0]Teams are now assigned specific colors for each game.[/li]<br /><br />[/list]<br /><br />', 'exclamation', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1968, 219, 1, 1277240694, 73, 1968, 'Re: Welcome to the Wild West', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'I have recently had a sudden urge to stay a month in some Indonesian place. I&#039;ll have to get shots, but I love hot and humid. <br /><br />Most of my family is from some place or another in the middle east. Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, turkey. Maybe thats why heat doesn&#039;t bother me. But the more humid climate just seems to appeal to me.<br /><br />Hope you drink the snakes blood Fast', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1524, 170, 11, 1266810763, 19, 1524, 'Re: Week 7 (Feb 15 - Feb 21) : ZDECTFMP2 (MAP07) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/210210/1266810634.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/210210/1266810638.png[/img]<br /><br />Demo: http://xen.unidoom.org/doom/idl/xen-s6w7m28-EBLvsSUC-idl2010h.zip<br /><br />GGs SUC. Damn, I fell short of doubling my team&#039;s score in round 2. I&#039;m slackin!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1525, 170, 11, 1266812946, 22, 1525, 'Re: Week 7 (Feb 15 - Feb 21) : ZDECTFMP2 (MAP07) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/21070314/IDL-SPEvsDMR-week7_map28ShadowPOV.108.rar', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1890, 220, 12, 1274842749, 37, 1890, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Results', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '68.42.109.61', 1, 0, '', '[code]Electric Bills		(c) Xenaero		(1) Whiteboy 		(16) dewww		(17) Climhazzard<br />Doom Raiders 		(c) Goatface		(2) Hatred 		(15) QuickSilver	(18) MionicDonut<br />Killing Browns		(c) Tai			(3) KillingBlair 	(14) Strangle		(19) XRay<br />Berserker Packers	(c) Jenova		(4) ItallionStallion 	(13) Sabertooth		(20) Nero <br />Brokeback Cowboys	(c) Nostar		(5) Mikehail 		(12) Midian 		(21) Collision<br />Flag Steelers		(c) LordBritish		(6) Rus 		(11) Ladna		(22) WraithVerge<br />Spread Eagles		(c) Shadow_Ghost	(7) JoshSmith 		(10) Mantis-X		(23) Roscoe<br />Super Chargers		(c) Ralphis		(8) RottKing 		(9) Gyrossman		(24) Rexn0r[/code]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3099, 345, 14, 1293155656, 130, 3099, 'Re: Winter 2010 Post-Draft Discussion &amp; Debate', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '208.54.85.78', 1, 0, '', 'because i played with miek and coll and they r like butts. also yr offense with mostly o players imo', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3909, 420, 1, 1302304898, 75, 3909, 'Re: Seeking New Commissioner ', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=420.msg3904#msg3904 date=1302236492]<br />6) Isn&#039;t dead or headhunted by mexican drug cartels.<br />[/quote]<br />this should eliminate dosu.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4044, 421, 16, 1305229260, 8, 4044, 'Re: Summer 2011 Time Table', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '24.147.28.219', 1, 0, '', 'I would just like to make a note that the start of the Summer Season has been pushed back a week, which means the subsequent weeks have been pushed back as well. You can take a look at the new dates in the above post.<br /><br />Additionally, players now have until [b]Wednesday, May 18th, 2011[/b] to confirm their invites.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6619, 642, 17, 1333350073, 38, 6619, 'Re: Hatred won a masterbowl', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '74.91.72.215', 1, 0, '', 'Shaq Fu vs The Sex Gods map11 best game of all time.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4160, 445, 16, 1307576264, 76, 4181, 'IDL TEAM PICS SUMMER 2011', 'RussianDumbass', 'russiandumbass@gmail.com', '146.115.165.241', 1, 1308263107, 'nostar', '[img]http://www.ignomy.net/TKVDELUXE.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4144, 443, 18, 1307170371, 20, 4144, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 6 - Jun 12) : ZDCTF26 (MAP 26) - Discussion and Results', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '24.148.177.169', 1, 0, '', 'haha you guys are funny&nbsp; ;D... With that said, I like my team and have fun playing with &#039;em... We&#039;ll give DMR some hell&nbsp; ;)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(7314, 715, 17, 1345390800, 16, 7314, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=715.msg7313#msg7313 date=1345386252]<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=715.msg7311#msg7311 date=1345359377]<br />And what does this even mean?&nbsp; :D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Sound it out.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />So basically.....he can&#039;t spell. Welp. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1845, 212, 1, 1274406947, 157, 1845, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.115.101.169', 1, 0, '', 'Thank you ladna. I appreciate it.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1816, 212, 1, 1274148836, 147, 1816, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ve got 250 on May 22', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1738, 199, 12, 1271866546, 147, 1765, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 1272646886, 'LordBritish', 'LordBritish<br />USA<br />a_west_2007@hotmail.com<br />IM: HatedByLaurence7<br />Avail: Currently I&#039;m available pretty much anytime, but once the semester ends I&#039;m job hunting so that may change.&nbsp; Also, there&#039;s gonna be a random weekend in July where I&#039;ll be in Pitt.&nbsp; Oh and I also might quit randomly at any time.&nbsp; Oh and also...<br /><br />A few edits: my connection is randomly shitty sometimes during &quot;prime&quot; internet usage times (aka when all IDL games would be), so let&#039;s try to keep that in mind.&nbsp; Also, that random weekend is in June, and will be somewhere around the 16th, as that&#039;s my birthday.&nbsp; I wanna say the 18th-19th, but I&#039;m not too sure.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1817, 212, 1, 1274150258, 0, 1817, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Fastidious', '', '76.224.11.67', 1, 0, '', 'fill in the details, what happened?&nbsp;  ;D', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1921, 222, 12, 1275941106, 19, 1921, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=222.msg1920#msg1920 date=1275936903]<br />has xen ever beaten tai in idl??&nbsp; I think I remember 1 season of EBL taking div and the rest was KGB iirc.&nbsp; Also, collision is probably better than at least half the first round drafts which is pretty funny since we got him at 21st pick D:&nbsp; I plan to cheez my way to a masterbowl!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually yes but last season was obviously slanted in every other team&#039;s favor. I&#039;m pretty sure we won a division game in the season before that. KGB has never really had an endless run over EBL, despite how it&#039;s played up. I think they&#039;re on a 3 win streak div-wise, though, so I&#039;ll give them that, even though they dropped the ball in the division game, which is what actually counted.<br /><br />We&#039;ll see if the streak is ended this week or it continues!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1779, 171, 26, 1273331543, 130, 1779, 'Re: Official Server Expansion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'I want to start by saying I have nothing to do with any of the legislative processes of this dumb league.<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=171.msg1760#msg1760 date=1272598398]<br />There should be a different method to deal with server disputes.&nbsp; Rather than just settling on TT, which would favor one team over the other.&nbsp; Maybe split each round on a different server?&nbsp; Or some other method than to just go straight to TT.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />While I realize that canucks are ill-equipped, I wonder if you have really given any thought as to what this entails. First, the reason people play all the games on 1 server is for stat collection. Also it really blows to have to move servers mid-game. the TCM v WAD series showed the awesomeness of this idea in practice. We whooped u good solely on the basis of server selection. To be fair though, we gave you every opportunity to beat us. 3 (or 4) rounds on RN wasn&#039;t enough I guess<br /><br />There will always be server disputes so having a steadfast server rule for a game with an odd number of rounds provides another problem of fairness. You&#039;d need some kind of tie-breaker rule, which ushers in new unfairness. <br /><br />At this point I can tell you&#039;re not following so let me put this into practice.<br /><br />Let&#039;s say that I move to Oregon and get a server there that is best for me, host IDL server stuff, etc. Do you wanna play even one round where I ping 10ms and you ping 150ms? Do you want to be miek? Additionally I&#039;ll draft miek and josh for a triple threat of low pinging gr8ness. You can see how this is shaping up.<br /><br />Without regard to that hypothetical, the sheer number of complaints from 3 round games being decided with server choice will be astronomical. IDL admins needing to be present for every game or a server going down resulting in scheduling problems and bickering....etc etc etc...suffice to say it&#039;s a lot of hassle to NOT have a default option. <br /><br />The pragmatics of it are that you want a server that you&#039;re better than everyone on. The problem is that you have no $ or power. These are obstacles for you (option below).<br /><br />And you should at least be aware that east coast servers are just as unfair for half of IDL as Midwest servers, if not more so on the basis of average ping,(east coasters don&#039;t ping that poorly to TT while many people have +100ms to RN, for example). Interestingly enough, the main complaint about TT is packet loss, not ping. If you feel strongly about needing a better connection, then I can see two options for you:<br /><br />1.) lobby in forums for some change (currently and consistently useless, see the board conspiracy below)<br /><br />2.) donate some of your money or expertise to making the default server better for you<br /><br />I can see that you want some semblance of fairness in the server set but I would reevaluate how you go about getting that fairness. I would settle on an option that isn&#039;t lobbying the board, who, in a majority, would suffer from such a rule change (miek, ladna, goatface). Equal representation is a bitch, but at least ours has some transparency and gives us stuff for free.<br /><br />To be fair though I agree that sometimes TT has some stupid lag and packetloss. On the other hand, I&#039;ve never played a game of zdaemon in my whole life that didn&#039;t have one of those things present or both. If you find yourself butthurt about the server, do something proactive instead of just trying to phrase something different out of &quot;I want something better for me.&quot; That argument has not be heard well and really if you&#039;re being beaten by a server set you&#039;re not good enough anyway. I&#039;ve played on RN, Horizon, Unfy and DE just as well as I play on TT. You just have to not play frag all the time, which is sadly what you do. Maybe signing up for IDL would influence someone to pay attention to this. You could try that.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1846, 209, 12, 1274416763, 163, 1846, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'I wasn&#039;t implying that D requires more awareness than offense does, I was merely pointing out how you can be effective defensively without having the greatest aim.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1872, 209, 12, 1274672811, 75, 1872, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.159', 1, 0, '', 'when you def, you must kill the guys coming at you', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1969, 225, 12, 1277262004, 15, 1969, 'Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.96.204', 1, 0, '', '<br />=======================================================<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys vs. Berserker Packers<br /><br />Electric Bills vs. Spread Eagles<br /><br />Super Chargers vs. Doom Raiders<br /><br />Flag Steelers vs. Killing Browns<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br /><br />GOGOGOGOOGOGOGOOGOGO', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8340, 821, 29, 1360562782, 214, 8514, 'Master Ranking', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '65.68.74.234', 1, 1361591714, 'Ru5tK1ng', 'http://rust.unidoom.org/compet/MasterRanking.htm', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2026, 233, 12, 1278646223, 15, 2026, 'Re: Week 5 (Jul 5 - Jul 12) : ZDECTF2-01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.88', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23308972/BSKvsSux.108.rar]http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23308972/BSKvsSux.108.rar[/url]<br /><br />Probably one of my best games played in an IDL game.<br /><br />GG&#039;s SUC.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2027, 232, 12, 1278646736, 15, 2027, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.88', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t think so.&nbsp; The power in teams seems a bit more fair now.&nbsp; At least there&#039;s some sort of chance a mediocre captain can do well with good draft picks.&nbsp; The thing that hurt this season, I think, is the lack of talent in the IDL.&nbsp; Many skilled players such as bones, metalblack and oath is what I think the league is missing.<br /><br />Sure there are teams that drafted high and still aren&#039;t doing well.&nbsp; But these problems concern scheduling and draft selection.&nbsp; Implementing the franchise system again will not help these people. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2128, 239, 12, 1279728364, 15, 2134, 'Re: Week 7 (Jul 19 - Jul 25) : 32in24-7 MAP27 (MAP32) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.91.17', 1, 1279817169, 'ItalianStallion', 'Super Chargers vs Brokeback Cowboys<br /><br />[s]Definately a game to watch.&nbsp; This might be quite an intense game, but although SUC have a dynamic team, this map doesn&#039;t really suit them to have an advantage over BBC.&nbsp; Rott will try to base D, but there&#039;s too many tricks/exits that mike will exploit to bring the flags home[/s].&nbsp; <br /><br />I MUST retract my previous prediction.&nbsp; After watching Ralphis play this map, I can really see SUC having a really good chance taking the win here.&nbsp; He really knows the ins and outs of this map and with his leadership and some coordination with his team mates they can easily take this one home.<br /><br />[s]2-1 BBC[/s]<br />2-1 SUC<br /><br />Flag Steelers vs Spread Eagles<br /><br />I really hope for the sake of mantis&#039; streak they can pull it off.&nbsp; But they have been struggling as of late, \\\\DENNY IN AMERICA//.&nbsp; The lack of practice and motivation from..... <br /><br />\\\\DENNY IN AMERICA// <br /><br />are probably the reasons why.<br /><br />2-0 FLS<br /> <br />Electric Bills vs Doom Raiders<br /><br />Unfortunately I can&#039;t see this one going any other way.&nbsp; But like I said, it brings new faces to the level of competition that is the IDL.<br /><br />2-0 EBL<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2083, 226, 12, 1278918774, 158, 2083, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.48.235', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tony link=topic=226.msg2065#msg2065 date=1278850637]<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=226.msg1978#msg1978 date=1277563566]<br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=226.msg1974#msg1974 date=1277395393]<br />No one cares about tennis.<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2099, 237, 12, 1279051170, 49, 2099, 'Re: Uploading Demos', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Speedy Share][color=red]File not found. It has been either deleted, or it never existed at all. [/color][/quote][img]http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/4/4c/Itisamystery.gif[/img]', 'exclamation', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2169, 243, 12, 1281154981, 28, 2169, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'kandy_kid', 'matt.dauber@gmail.com', '174.56.21.121', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br /><br />Whiteboy<br />Hatred<br />Ralphis<br />Rottking<br />Joshsmith', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2189, 246, 1, 1281256949, 7, 2189, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '24.33.254.99', 1, 0, '', 'ZDaemon&#039;s administration is just so pathetic; I don&#039;t know why I put up with it for so long.&nbsp; Kilgore was evidently extremely offended by [url=http://forums.zdaemon.org/viewtopic.php?p=242832&amp;sid=c05e355da80b8d923b12e080a347670a#242832]this post[/url], and he replied and locked the thread an entire day and a half later, when phenex2 and I are in the middle of a discussion about contributing to ZDaemon.&nbsp; Later, I update the e-mail address on my forum account which requires that an admin re-activate the account.&nbsp; I probably highlighted the admins over a dozen times over the next 10 weeks trying to get someone to re-activate me, but I was just ignored.&nbsp; Nostar finally caught up with Kilgore and Kilgore said that he &quot;wanted to ban that guy from the forums, but if he&#039;s stupid enough to disable his forum account himself then I&#039;ll just let the problem solve itself&quot;, or something like that - he definitely called me stupid.<br /><br />I finally get him to respond to me on IRC.&nbsp; After he refuses to re-enable my forum account, refuses to tell me why he&#039;s upset with me, tries to convince me that I did something I didn&#039;t do (try to pass off that post as drunk posting), threatens me several times with a master ban, and accuses me of having an &quot;ulterior motive&quot;, he finally tells me that I&#039;m on thin ice and just re-activates it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t really want to get into the whole conversation, because it was obscure, paranoid, and so full of hypocrisy that it just confused me most of the time.&nbsp; For instance, compare his being deeply offended by a post that doesn&#039;t even name or insult him to him ignoring, insulting, and threatening me.&nbsp; Anyway, he told me that I was on thin ice, and he laments a little about how he doesn&#039;t want people to kiss his ass all the time, but he just expects &quot;normal behavior&quot;.&nbsp; As vindicated as his deletion of my &quot;TT is closing&quot; thread made me feel, I&#039;m sure my posting that thread confirmed his suspicions that I had &quot;ulterior motives&quot; all along; that I only wanted the death and destruction of ZDaemon, and was willing to write 1000s of lines of ZDaemon server management code and spend hundreds of dollars paying for ZDaemon servers to do it.&nbsp; Hurrr.<br /><br />Later, he locks Hatred&#039;s Yo Yo thread with another sad post full of paranoia.&nbsp; His story about what happened between the ZDaemon team and Ralphis regarding GetWAD is basically a lie from start to finish.&nbsp; His accusations about Ralphis&#039; &quot;PR Campaigns&quot; are completely made up and laughable.&nbsp; His information about Odamex is pathetically incorrect, which could be remedied in 5 minutes using this thing called GOOGLE.&nbsp; He reduces IDL - which is the greatest achievement in competitive Doom EVER - to a stupid way we can &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot;.&nbsp; Referring to me creating an IRC bot to advertise league games, he groups me in with &quot;random people&quot;, even after all the time &amp; money I&#039;ve dedicated to ZDaemon.<br /><br />On the other hand, he says nothing about advertising ZDDL (which is fully public and &quot;legit&quot;), nothing about over-moderation and censorship, nothing about what the new website will include, nothing about how community members can get involved and contribute, or any ideas/efforts to expand ZDaemon&#039;s player base, but he does take time to insult Kitty... for no reason whatsoever.&nbsp; He just rage-posted and rage-locked the thread.&nbsp; How thoughtful, how mature - that&#039;s &quot;normal behavior&quot; if I&#039;ve ever seen it.<br /><br />And let me be perfectly clear.&nbsp; IDL is &quot;underground&quot; because we want to choose our players and ZDaemon won&#039;t afford us that luxury.&nbsp; As soon as one of our players calls Kilgore a faggot (and let&#039;s face it, the odds of that happening are very, very high) an entire season is ruined because Kilgore is, in fact, a huge faggot and will ban that guy.&nbsp; IDL&#039;s forums and IRC channel are separate from ZDaemon&#039;s because we can&#039;t fucking stand the administration breathing down our necks, threatening to master ban us arbitrarily without even explaining why they&#039;re upset with us.&nbsp; For the LAST TWO YEARS we have been lobbying for ZDaemon to grant IDL servers amnesty so we can advertise them on the master.&nbsp; This wasn&#039;t a &quot;PR campaign&quot; to get Ralphis unbanned, this was us asking the ZD administration to let us choose who plays in IDL (over the last 2 years, other banned players have played in IDL, which Kilgore is clearly completely ignorant of).&nbsp; We clearly don&#039;t give a shit about what other games our players play (advertised ZDaemon games, Skulltag games, isketch) as long as they show up for games, we never sit around and think about how we can &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot;.&nbsp; To even insinuate that is unbelievably self-centered, paranoid, and maybe even delusional.&nbsp; It&#039;s incredible to the point that I barely believe it - Kilgore knows ABSOLUTELY NOTHING about IDL, but he feels qualified to pontificate as to its real &quot;agenda&quot;, which is to make certain that no one on earth ever plays another game of Public ZDaemon CTF EVER AGAIN MWAHAHAHAHAHA.&nbsp; Yeah, that&#039;s why TotalTrash ran more CTF servers than any other server set for years.&nbsp; Fucking idiotic beyond belief.<br /><br />And look, I&#039;m not trying to be petty here.&nbsp; I don&#039;t give a shit if Kilgore wakes up calling me a cocksucker and goes to sleep calling me a faggot.&nbsp; But after having spent so much time and effort on supporting ZDaemon with TotalTrash and IDL, and for Kilgore to ignore me, insult me, threaten me, and then refer to me as a &quot;random person&quot; after all I&#039;ve done for the game was a little much, and when you throw his full-on contempt for all the goodwill expressed in the original Yo Yo thread, his blatant lies about Ralphis &amp; the GetWAD situation, and his thick, gooey bullshit explosion regarding IDL... well, it convinced me that I shouldn&#039;t be a part of the ZDaemon scene anymore.&nbsp; The hypocrisy is absurd, and the abuse is intolerable, so I said good bye.&nbsp; And, true to form, Kilgore deleted the thread in which I said good bye - which I very smartly posted here on our forums also, so everyone can see how polite and reasonable it was.&nbsp; He just deleted it because I was on &quot;thin ice&quot;, even though it violated no TOS or forum rules, insulted no one, and was very simply the truth.&nbsp; Good work Hippocrates, good work.<br /><br />P.S. For those who don&#039;t know, Kilgore&#039;s name is Hippocrates Sendoukas, and you can see his website [url=http://hs.keystone.gr/]here[/url].&nbsp; This isn&#039;t really a secret, as hs.keystone.gr is linked lots of places in the ZDaemon forums.&nbsp; I find his name quite befits his personality, and thought I&#039;d share.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3100, 351, 3, 1293200122, 144, 3100, 'Re: Whats good ?', 'James', 'jam3volution@hotmail.com', '92.30.140.159', 1, 0, '', 'Always cool to see new blood come into the game. Welcome man!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3780, 410, 14, 1300316312, 130, 3780, 'Re: Free wins....', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '38.109.187.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jenova link=topic=410.msg3767#msg3767 date=1300258688]<br />Getting carried to win MB 3 times in a row, then not even making it to the MB twice afterwards. We can tell how good you are without your allstar lineup. Try winning with people who have never won an MB before and then talk.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s really sad that you&#039;ve got so much anger towards me. Don&#039;t choke on your own jealousy. Why does it matter to win with people who haven&#039;t won before? You&#039;re not braying about Ralph drafting Gilga, or Tai drafting White. Let&#039;s be clear, just because you get someone who has a championship doesn&#039;t mean you&#039;ll get one.<br /><br />[quote author=RustInPeace link=topic=410.msg3768#msg3768 date=1300260722]<br />Bullshit. Can you recall the times when you banned my brother or me out of priv games for no legit reason? Not to mention the unnecessary IRC bans. Heck you could pass as Vampy with your style of admin&#039;ing.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Why did I ban strangle (and by ip you)? Because, and I&#039;m working on things YOU told me, it was one of his friends fucking around in the priv server under his name. After I banned him, he (or his friend) join-spammed the server and I banned him from IRC. Oh, and you decided to omit that I apologized to you for the ban, which is fine.<br /><br />I wasn&#039;t really around for Vampy&#039;s era but if that is the kind of guy he was then I like him. I hate when people ruin perfectly good doom games.<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=410.msg3772#msg3772 date=1300296693]<br />I just hope you know that no one would probably be here to your defense if you didn&#039;t have control over these servers. Maybe your clanmates would stick by your side, since most of them whine and bitch as much as you do.&nbsp; <br />[/quote]<br /><br />You mean Ralphis? You think he said I was important to SUC because I own servers? I guess you can think that, but then you don&#039;t know Ralph too well. Actually this just comes off as more butthurt.<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=410.msg3772#msg3772 date=1300296693]You claim superior intelligence in every post, practically every sentence that you shit out of your mouth.&nbsp; Yet every other sentence is just useless insults.&nbsp; Without the power you have you&#039;d just be another whining bitch. [/quote]<br />Fortunately we don&#039;t have to find out because I&#039;m one of the few people who actually does something for IDL. I would appreciate if you threw up some server so you wouldn&#039;t be just another whining bitch. And yeah I do like to insult you, because you&#039;re a whining bitch.<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=410.msg3772#msg3772 date=1300296693]<br />Stallion says somethings about my character<br />[/quote]<br />You mean I left in my off season...which was the beginning of school, AND I moved. You guys seem really intent on making that a big deal. Did anyone notice that Chain quit for a couple seasons after losing to SUC, or that Bones sat a season after losing the MB. It&#039;s because they didn&#039;t quit over a loss, they got busy. I wish you&#039;d stop citing examples to somehow support your dislike for me. Just dislike me, it&#039;s just fine. I&#039;m a great doom player and I talk a lot of trash. If you don&#039;t like that, cool. Just don&#039;t whine about it. Or you can and I&#039;ll mock you for it.<br /><br />[quote]<br />There&#039;s more to this league than winning.&nbsp; <br />[/quote]<br /><br />What is it? Is it losing? Having fun? Making friends. Here&#039;s a tip you canuck hippie. Winning is fun and I have plenty of friends already. Go suck some mountie dick you whiner.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(5306, 532, 17, 1320966019, 165, 5306, 'Re: A CTF Guide For The New Guys', 'TheKillerNacho', 'timothyjsharpe@yahoo.com', '71.207.36.16', 1, 0, '', 'Thanks. Gonna get used to this.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8518, 843, 17, 1361599565, 216, 8518, 'Re: Franchising.', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.80.141', 1, 0, '', 'Just to clarify, I&#039;m not trying to insult new players to the idl from zandronum. The point I&#039;m making is that old elite players are not signing up, and as a result, we&#039;ve had to rely on signups from not as skilled players to take their spots.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1739, 199, 12, 1271890764, 89, 1744, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.241.17.119', 1, 1272063141, 'Solar_Flare', 'Name: Strangle<br />Country:USA!<br />IM: Irc #idl<br />Regular Availability: From 5-9 on weekdays(Until the end of may) And anytime on weekends (except Sunday, it is anytime before 10)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1818, 212, 1, 1274151404, 130, 1818, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Whiteboy567 link=topic=212.msg1814#msg1814 date=1274147129]<br />Why&#039;s he banned this time? I find him more tolerable than say mistopher.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Also banned. Woo TT.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1922, 222, 12, 1275947280, 10, 1922, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Actually, EBL has lost all 6 regular season games to KGB thus far. The only EBL victory over KGB came in the wildcard round of Summer 09 where EBL eventually continued on to lose to SUC.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1970, 225, 12, 1277265481, 147, 1970, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'BBC - BSK<br /><br />Heavyweight throwdown.&nbsp; Everyone&#039;s game of the week, and truthfully this one could decide who wins the conference.&nbsp; Both teams are really good and really similar, but I have to lean a teeensy weensy bit towards BSK in this one.&nbsp; I&#039;m not sure why, I just sorta have a feeling.<br /><br />BSK 2-1, though I&#039;m not surprised if it&#039;s the other way around.<br /><br />EBL - SPE<br /><br />SPE has 3 heavy-fragging players, but if Xen and White can pull it together and get enough out of tony or dew I think they have a shot here...<br /><br />EBL 2-1.&nbsp; I&#039;m gonna keep picking you until you win one EBL!!!!!<br /><br />SUC - DMR<br /><br />Ralph&#039;s too good<br /><br />SUC 2-0<br /><br />FLS - KGB<br /><br />FLS is in shambles right now, there is a mutiny against me and I have scabies.<br /><br />KGB 2-0', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1530, 178, 11, 1266859036, 26, 1530, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '82.43.130.177', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah I did say no, but come the start of the season I forgot I did! Anyways, hopefully no more shit like that will happen again - and I do, sincerely, apologise for last season.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1532, 178, 11, 1266874140, 7, 1532, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m usually the 1st one to say that IDL is about competition, and I think it is -- usually the people who are the most dedicated do the best, and I think that&#039;s fair.&nbsp; And I think this applies to everyone up and down the chain:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Captains choosing players and coming up with strategies[/li]<br />[li]Players learning how their teammates play and working to be successful together[/li]<br />[li]The entire team working to communicate clearly about what&#039;s expected, when practices and games are, and when they are available to play[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />I think that&#039;s the basis for an IDL team.&nbsp; Sure every team/captain has their own style, but in the end these things have to happen more often than not or the team will fail.&nbsp; I think that a lot of things have happened in the league so that the odds are in favor of teams succeeding.&nbsp; Franchising helps build solid foundations for teams, and avoids uneasy matchups.&nbsp; Draft order that&#039;s based on prior season performance helps ensure a balance amongst the teams, and so on.<br /><br />But despite all this, there are still teams that fail - and having been on more than one of these teams I can say it blows; it blows real hard.&nbsp; I don&#039;t have a solution for this, in fact I think it&#039;s just something that&#039;s going to happen every season.&nbsp; I do think that the most common cause of this is bad attendance (as much as I hate that word); teams that don&#039;t practice and don&#039;t show up for games lose, plain and simple.&nbsp; Some teams can get away with that, but they&#039;ll lose against more talented or more prepared teams - and every season there&#039;s a team that&#039;s both talented and prepared, so you can&#039;t expect to win it all without spending some time and effort.&nbsp; I also think that&#039;s fair, even though there&#039;s only so much a captain can do to get his players on.&nbsp; The IDL administration is always quick to recommend and grant player substitutions in the case of poor attendance, but captains know that replacing a player like midian with a player like Ladna doesn&#039;t solve anything, so they just resign themselves and hope that the situation fixes itself.&nbsp; As much as I&#039;d like to fix this, I&#039;m just not sure what to do.<br /><br />My point is that IDL, despite having problems, is overall pretty awesome.&nbsp; For almost 4 years it&#039;s been the scene of the most competitive CTF that Doom&#039;s ever seen, its players increase in skill every season and it&#039;s produced some amazing, unforgettable moments.&nbsp; It does take a lot of effort to run and maintain, but overall I think it&#039;s worth it.&nbsp; We just need to remind ourselves every once in a while that even though it&#039;s not perfect, IDL is still a lot of fun and without it, we&#039;re stuck with lame clan wars (that never get played).<br /><br />That said, the board is always looking to make things better.&nbsp; Things we&#039;re talking about right now are:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Expanding to 12 teams[/li]<br />[li]Repealing the franchise system[/li]<br />[li]Making the season shorter or longer[/li]<br />[li]Changing from 3v3 to 4v4 (or some other configuration)[/li]<br />[li]Setting up a system to pick the maps for the season, like community voting or something[/li]<br />[li]Banning games that aren&#039;t 3v3 (so 3v2 or 2v2 games aren&#039;t allowed, any team that can&#039;t get 3 players on forfeits, meaning double forfeits are possible)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />I&#039;d like to know what everyone thinks about that stuff, we&#039;re kind of curious as to what the players think we should do.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1998, 228, 12, 1278045630, 163, 1998, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', '[quote=&quot;NoStar&quot;]Ladna isn&#039;t playing. Insert some crapass on FLS&#039;s side and give the edge to gyross. Also I disagree with yr assertion of these matchups.[/quote]<br /><br />I can see a legit case with RottKing vs Rus as a bad match-up, but the rest are really good match-ups truthfully. I wasn&#039;t aware of Ladna not playing, however. Nonetheless, I still stick to what I said, FLS wins this because of Rus&#039; retarded aim. I still think the duo of Ralphs and Gyross will give FLS fits, making it a good match. But even still, I can&#039;t see them slowing down LB the way Rus will slow down Ralph/Gyross - if Gyross even plays. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1847, 218, 12, 1274418588, 10, 1870, 'Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1274666862, 'Ralphis', 'The following thread is for open discussion of the Summer 2010 draft. The official draft order can be found by [url=http://wiki.intldoomleague.org/index.php?title=S2010_Draft]clicking here[/url].<br /><br />The draft will take place live Tuesday, May 25th @ 9pm EDT.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1873, 209, 12, 1274716111, 7, 1873, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Coming up next: Xenaero drafts mike, whole world hangs head &amp; cries.&nbsp; Film at 11.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2084, 232, 12, 1278942874, 10, 2084, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;d like to touch on the 10 team comment from earlier Ladna. I find it unfair to claim that nothing gets done when you aren&#039;t around, even though sometimes nothing can get done [b]because[/b] the league services are setup in such a way that we unfortunately rely on you now. <br /><br />Even though you had limited availability to be around in the pre-season, we discussed moving to 10 teams [i]a great deal[/i] with board members and, at the time, we ultimately chose not to for two specific reasons:<br /><br />[b]1)[/b] Our situation with captains was weak enough as it was. Finding two more that would&#039;ve stood any chance in the IDL at the time would&#039;ve been like finding a needle in the ocean (granted if you&#039;re in New Jersey this isn&#039;t that hard).<br /><br />[b]2)[/b] Sign up and player pool predictions ended up being much lower than what we actually ended up with. Remember that we were barely sure we could field 8 teams this season and this is partially because of veteran players acting like retarded divas and not confirming until the final second of sign ups (this really needs to stop for the record). This is the more prominent reason of the two as to why we did not move to 10 teams this season.<br /><br />[b]With that said[/b], I look forward to being able to expand teams once again in the near future, hopefully this winter. I want to see players like Killemall, Roscoe, Mistopher, and Acolyte on teams. These guys have paid their dues and deserve roster spots along with new comers like Mandolore, WraithVerge, and others.<br /><br />Veteran players HAVE TO step up and take the reigns at some point or the IDL will die. People don&#039;t want to play for rookie captains but are not willing to put up. <br /><br />-------------------------------------------------<br /><br />While I&#039;m chiming in, I also want to touch on some other comments regarding the community and the potential abolishment of the IDL draft and captaining positions.<br /><br />I feel that the IDL&#039;s defining feature has always been its draft system, which structures the league in such a way that it distributes talent BETTER than allowing players to join up on their own teams. There is a reason that as children, the best athletes are picked as &quot;captains&quot; in school yard sports games. It&#039;s so that all of the best players aren&#039;t on the same team which makes it extremely crap for every other team that has to play against OR with them.<br /><br />Without the draft system, the IDL would end up going from being like a fun intramural basketball/baseball/whatever team to all of the best players from those teams deciding that they&#039;re going to team up and dominate everybody else. This isn&#039;t fun.<br /><br />Would watching Lebron, Wade, and Bosh in an 8-team 3v3 basketball league be fun when their opponents are not nearly as stacked or dispersed? That is what would happen without the IDL draft.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8584, 827, 17, 1362080300, 2303, 8584, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'Let him back on the board<br /><br />Soulsucka 2013', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3781, 410, 14, 1300317223, 89, 3781, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '98.199.179.106', 1, 1300317871, 'Solar_Flare', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=410.msg3780#msg3780 date=1300316312]You mean I left in my off season...which was the beginning of school, AND I moved. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />I remember hearing about you hanging around Quake, kinda interesting that you&#039;d play Quake but not ZD. I&#039;d think that you would at least be spotted in pub or at the very least come to the IDL channel and say hi, but I guess not.<br /><br />Forgot to mention that you were even on Quakenet IRC but were in a bunch of other channels but not the IDL channel.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4180, 446, 16, 1308261801, 2, 4180, 'Re: IDL.org Outage', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.37.22.79', 1, 0, '', 'You are my favorite man in the whole world.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4157, 442, 16, 1307407096, 10, 4157, 'Re: A Post About Trading That You Should Read', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '174.49.136.72', 1, 0, '', 'Jkist showing off his Duke education with that wall of text there.<br /><br />Also has anyone complained about this trade other than saying it was dumb? Nobody has said anything about how the trade should&#039;ve been stopped from what I&#039;ve seen. People have the right to complain broski', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4767, 494, 17, 1316231617, 163, 4767, 'Re: Booting out unwanted maps.', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '76.233.131.50', 1, 1316249709, 'Hatred', '[quote=&quot;Fastidious&quot;]Huh?&nbsp; They are both strictly based on item control, you require getting those items which boost you to 200/200 to win more or less.&nbsp; Have you seen what happens to the other team on 13 when the enemy mid can steal a few blue armors?&nbsp; It&#039;s not pretty.&nbsp; Just because most teams aren&#039;t smart enough to realize that should be mid&#039;s primary goal doesn&#039;t mean item control there of your own items is a given[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t really agree with that at all. The only time a team realistically has to steal the other team&#039;s blue armor is when the match first starts - other than that, you&#039;re taking a huge risk going for it. You&#039;re not going to steal it every 30 seconds so it&#039;s really close to impossible timing out 20 times (10 minute matches) a match and that&#039;s just the mathematical aspect of it. The reality is the armor is probably only grabbed 13-15 times a match (and that&#039;s assuming it&#039;s a 10 minute match). A smart runner will also be aware of the other team trying to steal it and will go for it first, even if it means taking a bit of damage. So aside from taking a quick peck at it in the beginning stages of a match, it&#039;s a stupid strategy to build around. The map is mid control and that&#039;s about it. You assign one guy to find the other team&#039;s player with 200/200 (who will have to come out to mid at some point) and damage him as much as possible. If that guy knows he&#039;s put a hurtin&#039; on the other team&#039;s man with the power-ups, he can elect to stay in mid and wait for his runner to come out with the flag and play back-up or just chase the power-up guy down and frag him if he can. When to do that depends on the situation but even if you manage to get a good shot off in mid and die, you can play close to home and your D and your mid should be in good enough shape to take him. Controlling items really isn&#039;t a factor in this map, it&#039;s so big that if you die without getting a capture, you&#039;re probably going to respawn with both of them already respawned in the base. If someone wants to dedicate a man to attempt to steal those items, I&#039;ll tell D to move up and have mid just play chase power-ups guy all game and the other team will break because they have nobody slowing-down/damaging my guy with the sphere. 200/200 will beat 100/0 every time. <br /><br />[quote=&#039;Fastidious&quot;]I wonder if Hatred thinks Quake is deeper than Doom.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying Doom isn&#039;t as competitive as Quake because it is but it takes way more time to approach mastery in.[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t know if I&#039;d say it&#039;s deeper than Doom; it certainly takes more time to master. Doom CTF is actually really complex sometimes and I&#039;d argue based on how fast it&#039;s played and how it requires a great deal of coordination to be good at, it&#039;s on it&#039;s own level of &quot;deepness.&quot; I think of Quake as DooM&#039;s big brother in a lot of ways, DooM is just way more fun and easier to learn. Quake is usually full of people who&#039;ve played for 40 years and make it not-so-fun to play against unless you&#039;re really committed. Either way, I enjoy both games a great deal but DooM is definitely my first love. <br /><br />EDIT: Seems I pretty much echo&#039;d what Ladna had already said about 13. For whatever reason, I read everything on his post except the 13 v 16 debate aha. One quick thing I wanted to add was that usually the map doesn&#039;t turn into flag stand-off central unless both teams apply the strategy mentioned above. If both teams aren&#039;t taking full advantage of power-ups, the team not using them as often as possible will get crushed. Even with both teams maximizing power-ups and applying mid pressure on the power-up man, one side usually breaks before flag-standoffs happen. But if both runners manage to make it out, the flag-standoffs are usually pretty epic. I admit I don&#039;t care for flag standoffs due to their chaotic natures but I have to say that returning a flag in the midst of a long stand-off requires a lot of coordination if a team returns a flag and attempts to score. But usually in a close match, a flag standoff will occur, it&#039;s just that now both teams are scrambling and trying to let their runners rebuild on power-ups (this is probably the only other time I might focus a bit more on stealing the other team&#039;s blue armor or sphere if possible).', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8351, 826, 18, 1360639555, 8, 8351, 'Homefield Map Selection Week', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Week 6 (February 11th - February 17th) is Homefield Map selection week. Teams select in reverse order of the first round of the pre-season draft. Any map from the IDL wad may be selected, only by one team, with the exception of this season&#039;s MasterBowl map (Map06) and maps in the slots MB1, MB2, etc. These maps were put in the wad as historical references. <br /><br />To see the selection order as well as what maps have been selected, visit the [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=825.0]W2013 Homefield Map Selection thread.[/url]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6309, 617, 20, 1330358633, 0, 6309, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Soul Sucka', '', '201.22.35.13', 1, 0, '', 'Isn&#039;t that equally new IDL map from PROCTF also edited? If you were to maintain the integrity of that map, it would most likely not work on ZD at all. Getting a map to work on ZD takes priority over keeping it unchanged, but for some reason, making a map more forgiving to the eyes doesn&#039;t hold as much priority.<br /><br />It also appears that some IDL maps (not specifically the 2012 ones) were included without the consent of their authors (though I believe this is fully because the authors themselves were inactive or just impossible to keep in touch with). If that&#039;s the case, then why still bother with integrity?', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1534, 177, 11, 1266942126, 22, 1534, 'Week 8 (Feb 22 - Feb 28) : ZDCTF16 (Map 16) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 8 of IDL Winter 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 8 - ZDCTF16 (MAP16 - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 8 -&nbsp; ZDCTF16 (MAP16 - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 8 -&nbsp; ZDCTF16 (MAP16 - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 8 -&nbsp; ZDCTF16 (MAP16 - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Berserker Packers vs. Spread Eagles<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys vs. Flag Steelers<br /><br />Doom Raiders vs. Super Chargers<br /><br />Killing Browns vs. Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1819, 212, 1, 1274153116, 147, 1819, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=212.msg1817#msg1817 date=1274150258]<br />fill in the details, what happened?&nbsp;  ;D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />he tried to tell ladna how to play ctf, and ladna would have none of it.&nbsp; then he told ladna to calm down, so the ban message was &quot;i&#039;ll calm down later&quot; or smth like that.&nbsp; we should do mini tournies more often.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1636, 178, 11, 1268237356, 49, 1636, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'For the record, I want to start up RN again to continue the server crusade and have the IDL admins blow up from location differences.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1971, 225, 12, 1277270049, 7, 1971, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Stall you are a week 3 hero.&nbsp; Also I too have scabies, henceforth FLS will be known as the Flaccid Scabies.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8352, 823, 25, 1360646801, 2275, 8352, 'Re: Week 6 - IDLCONT2013-03: Dirt Nap (FEB 11 - FEB 17) - Discussion and Results', 'Perrondon', 'pmcd_perrondon@hotmail.com', '187.167.7.118', 1, 0, '', 'my predicts are<br /><br />BSK Vs SUC&nbsp; - 0 - 2<br /><br />HBO Vs BAD - 1 - 2<br /><br />SXP Vs KGB - 1 - 2 :)<br /><br />WAD Vs KFC - 2 - 1 <br /><br />GL HF :D', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1999, 228, 12, 1278050358, 73, 1999, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'After some fantastic practicing. I think this will be the week we pull it off. <br />[quote]This is again, a map almost tailor made for the Doom Raiders, dark, cramped, confusing[/quote]<br />Actually, we&#039;ve discovered that we are indeed, great at this map. I have a feeling we will have a fight on our hands, but one we can quell.<br /><br />DMR: 2<br />KGB: 0<br /><br />I don&#039;t know about the other games. I&#039;m currently watching demos of the previous games played by our future opponents. You know... post-game spying. lol<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(7319, 712, 22, 1345433589, 0, 7319, 'Re: WEEK 7 - THIRTY417: Buntaluffigus (AUG 13 - AUG 19) - Discussion and Results', 'Soul Sucka', '', '201.22.40.182', 1, 0, '', 'Lol. I was more nervous than I was in my past games, and I don&#039;t know why. But yeah, you&#039;ll get the hang of it after a few games (the fact that playoffs are coming up soon doesn&#039;t help though x.x)!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1874, 209, 12, 1274720367, 19, 1874, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=209.msg1873#msg1873 date=1274716111]<br />Coming up next: Xenaero drafts mike, whole world hangs head &amp; cries.&nbsp; Film at 11.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Delicious, [b]delicious[/b] tears of despair and hopelessness...', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2228, 248, 12, 1281687142, 20, 2228, 'Re: Co-MVPs', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.82.179', 1, 1281687353, 'Mantis-X', '3rd in flags and 7th in frags on an awfully dysfunctional and unorganized team... and didnt even get voted to the All-Star team... I pretty much hate you all.... But I&#039;ll be back&nbsp; 8)<br /><br />Anyway... I think Goatface should be rewarded as MVP (Most Valuable Person!) for stock piling EBL and making the IDC championship game interesting now&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2029, 234, 3, 1278690374, 192, 2029, 'Hello', 'Tavion', 'satchtabber@hotmail.com', '190.43.150.134', 1, 0, '', 'Greetings. I&#039;m interested in joining the IDL but I&#039;ve got no idea how to, can anyone help me out with details and such? Best regards.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8632, 851, 29, 1362931738, 145, 8632, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.183.28.104', 1, 0, '', 'Fluff 50 - 29 ass_hat<br /><br />gg mate', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2028, 232, 12, 1278656000, 20, 2028, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.83.25', 1, 0, '', 'I think it is way too early in the season to see how it is going to turn out. Many teams this year have the potential to put together good seasons and challenge... I see every team in the WDC being contenders by the end of the season... For instance, SPE has only used our &quot;main&quot; lineup in 2 games and we won those 2 games. If we get our scheduling better, we&#039;ll be a pretty good team this year... BBC is doing their thing, but FLS and BSK also have looked pretty decent and will contend. <br /><br />EBL has a solid team now and I see them getting to the playoffs and they will give SUC a match now for sure. KGB has looked decent as well as this season has gone on... No offense to Goat here honestly, but the only team dead in the water is DMR at this point. Every other team has a chance at being successful this year... I don&#039;t see all doom and gloom at this point. Maybe at the end of the season, we will&nbsp; :-X', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2100, 233, 12, 1279051400, 49, 2100, 'Re: Week 5 (Jul 5 - Jul 12) : ZDECTF2-01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23365299/2010.07.11_00.49.20_idl2010h.108.zdo<br /><br />hopefully this one doesn&#039;t get deleted PYRAMID SCHEME', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2136, 239, 12, 1279934852, 49, 2136, 'Re: Week 7 (Jul 19 - Jul 25) : 32in24-7 MAP27 (MAP32) - Discussion and Results', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'ladies and gentlemen, nostar is being paid by the hour<br /><br />i expect spe to scrape by a cheap win', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2170, 246, 1, 1281155582, 7, 2170, 'TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '24.33.254.99', 1, 0, '', 'Hey ZDaemon.&nbsp; It&#039;s me, Ladna.&nbsp; I&#039;m gonna start by saying that this is a personal post, and the opinions expressed are mine and mine alone.<br /><br />TotalTrash Servers has been active since early 2008.&nbsp; We&#039;ve hosted innumerable tournaments and ZDaemon Sessions, to say nothing of the ZDaemon Duel League and the International Doom League.&nbsp; We stepped in when Red Nexus and Doomed Earth were sadly forced to close their doors, and although everyone&#039;s been frustrated at one time or another on our servers (like all servers), I&#039;m proud to say we&#039;re currently the most popular server set in North America, and have been for quite some time.<br /><br />We&#039;ve worked hard to create a quality gaming experience on TT and to contribute to the ZDaemon community.&nbsp; Nostar and I developed ZDStack, which is a management and stats engine for ZDaemon servers.&nbsp; JKist3 has been a steadfast financial supporter of TT, which has motivated us to provide an even better experience.&nbsp; It&#039;s extremely gratifying to be able to show our love for ZDaemon by giving back to the community, to cultivate and share that enthusiasm with fellow players.&nbsp; I hope you&#039;ve all enjoyed it as much as I have.<br /><br />We&#039;re all upstanding members of the ZDaemon community who think this game is great.&nbsp; No one who knows us would ever say that we have secret agendas or ulterior motives.&nbsp; Our opinions are well-known, because we&#039;re all extremely smart people who aren&#039;t at all ashamed of what we think.&nbsp; Each of us is the type of guy who, when they want something to happen, they do it.&nbsp; Nostar and I wanted to raise the quality level of public servers, and we did so.&nbsp; JKist3 wanted to run a highly-competitive, fair duel league, and he did so.&nbsp; I wanted to improve the infrastructure and administration of the International Doom League, and I worked with Ralphis and eventually the IDL Board to do so.&nbsp; There&#039;s no reason for us to give everything that we have given to ZDaemon and its players if we harbored any ill-will towards ZDaemon or its administration.<br /><br />This is all to say that Nostar, JKist3 and I are not &quot;random people&quot;.&nbsp; To reiterate, together we&#039;ve spent thousands of dollars and thousands of hours creating, maintaining, administrating, and bettering what we hope is the best ZDaemon experience in North America.&nbsp; Personally, I&#039;m still unsatisfied with what we offer.&nbsp; There&#039;s so much we can add, things like video and a stats archive, that would further enhance and advertise ZDaemon.&nbsp; But like Morpheus says in The Matrix, time is always against us.<br /><br />However, as of today I&#039;ve decided that I&#039;m no longer willing to support ZDaemon.&nbsp; ZDaemon&#039;s administration has nothing but contempt for me and my efforts to contribute to the community.&nbsp; It regards me as subversive, annoying, and stupid - and I&#039;m using the administration&#039;s words here.&nbsp; After over 2 years of devoting huge amounts of my time and money attempting to contribute to ZDaemon, I&#039;m finally taking the hint and taking down nearly all of TotalTrash&#039;s servers.&nbsp; The ones that will remain are Private CTF, and the league servers (IDL and ZDDL).&nbsp; Along with the public servers, we will no longer host mapping development servers, ZDaemon Tournament servers, or ZDSession servers.&nbsp; This is a personal decision, a decision that I, Ladna, made by myself.&nbsp; It&#039;s fully possible that either Nostar or JKist3 will restart them after I turn them off.&nbsp; Regardless of what they choose to do, I am personally finished attempting to contribute to ZDaemon in any way.&nbsp; This is not a political decision or action, it&#039;s a personal one.&nbsp; In no way am I trying to make a political statement.&nbsp; I fully expect that Rampage, Dallas|TX, and DUI Connecticut will pick up where we are leaving off, and that our absence will hardly be felt.<br /><br />Finally, I&#039;ll say a few words about IDL, because that&#039;s where I&#039;ll be after this.&nbsp; We have forums [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org]here[/url], our main site is [url=http://www.intldoomleague.org]here[/url], and you are always free to join our IRC channel, server quakenet.org, channel #idl.&nbsp; If any of you want to talk to Ralphis about his side of the story he&#039;s got a post on our forums.&nbsp; It&#039;s worth saying we never lock threads, even when people insult us, so feel free to say whatever you want (you too Kilgore!).&nbsp; If you spend any time on the boards, you&#039;ll see that we get into some pretty heated discussions, but we never shy away from arguments and debate.&nbsp; From time to time, however, we do edit posts hilariously.&nbsp; Nostar is particularly good at this.&nbsp; I also encourage you all to check out [url=http://www.cdevastation.com/zddl]ZDDL[/url].&nbsp; GGs.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2200, 243, 12, 1281336108, 3, 2200, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br />Hatred<br />Whiteboy<br />Ralphis<br />Gyrossman<br />RottKing<br /><br />WDC<br />Nostar<br />Mikehail<br />Jenova<br />Mantis-X<br />RussianDumbass', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3782, 410, 14, 1300318021, 55, 3782, 'Re: Free wins....', 'ReXn0r', 'yannik_marcos@hotmail.com', '189.152.118.149', 1, 0, '', 'Guys I need more posts so I can finish my popcorn...c&#039;mon :D', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3910, 420, 1, 1302320027, 163, 3910, 'Re: Seeking New Commissioner ', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.18.45.40', 1, 0, '', 'Does this mean you&#039;re stepping down now with or without a replacement? I&#039;m just curious is all. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4181, 446, 16, 1308262011, 75, 4181, 'Re: IDL.org Outage', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', 'first post', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(5321, 532, 17, 1321035034, 19, 5321, 'Re: A CTF Guide For The New Guys', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.180.25', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=TheKillerNacho link=topic=532.msg5316#msg5316 date=1321025036]<br />So , if you&#039;re playing D ... Both flags are stolen (standoff), should you leave the base to Return the flag or not?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is a really tough question to answer, and my opinion will differ strongly from most players, due to my playstyle and that I&#039;ve played primarily defense for a very long time, but that in no way puts what I&#039;m about to say above other opinions!<br /><br />I feel that in a standoff it largely depends on the position and skill of the runner. If he&#039;s well-off in both health and in a position to defend himself from chasers the other team sends in, you can venture out, and typically you will already have died from their mid covering their runner or have gotten a not-great spawn off dying to their runner. In both cases, I tend to move to mid and clear out their next &#039;wave&#039; of chasers. Since they&#039;re moving for speed and not necessarily taking time to wipe out everyone crossing paths, you can have the advantage, and then push up to deny further choice &#039;paths&#039;/weapon spots which gives your flag carrier even more leeway.<br /><br />[b]I never[/b] ignore enemy chasers, because you&#039;re still a defensive player, and you&#039;ll want to at least damage them while they seek out your runner. At the same time, I have to make a decision to either hunt down their carrier, which most of the time takes a lot of time to track and kill and effectively you&#039;re not doing anything to their other ranks as they do the exact same to try to hunt down your carrier.<br /><br />Occasionally, if I see my third go towards where their carrier is, I will divert to enemy spawns or SSG locations and deny as hard as I can to buy more time. I&#039;ll watch obituaries ([i]every[/i] player in mid or defense should do this all the time anyway) to get an idea of how the battle is unfolding, and if their carrier kills my other chaser, I&#039;ll give pursuit since usually he&#039;s damaged, or if I feel I can drop him quick, then hightail it back to mid and then defense to &#039;reset&#039; the flow of the battle.<br /><br />What do I mean by that? Typically if you return your flag, the entire enemy team will push hard at your base, and even if your team scores, you will still be hammered and typically against the ropes position-wise as they continuously rush in to try to get a score through sheer might, as now your whole team is usually near the flag, and essentially on defense. Other times, you may have another player on your team hang back in the enemy base to try to run a back-to-back flag, and this can either work for you or against you. Again, the mere [b]awareness[/b] of this happening as a defensive player can alter your positioning and handling of an onslaught of enemy players rushing you down.<br /><br />The rule of thumb of post-cap defense is generally if you can hold off two waves of attackers, their own defense will fall back to protect their flag again. Why is that? Typically your runner will have been able to apply pressure again.<br /><br />Now for something unconventional. What if your runner isn&#039;t so great or is in a bad spot? I will do one of two things. Guard him for a little while and escort to any health if he&#039;s bright enough to go grab it or if there is any health to grab period. Then I might apply pressure. If I choose to do as before and apply pressure to their carrier, and a standoff ends with your carrier getting destroyed and they&#039;re in a position where I&#039;m in my team&#039;s side of the map, I will hang back and clear the base of any people trying to do the back-to-back cap. This will reset the flow and allow me to set up for another wave of attackers. [b]If you cannot see / do not know the position of every enemy team member, assume they are in your base waiting to run another flag instantly or camping key points[/b]. This is a very focal point of standoffs.<br /><br />[i]Never[/i] get caught out of position, and err on the side of preparing for someone to run a back-to-back. In the long term this is preferable for the less-certain chance to return your flag if the enemy team has the better position, and allows your offense to spawn again and go for another flag attempt without being pushed in by constant streams of enemies or set off balance by the mayhem of letting enemies in behind you post-cap. The opposite is also true, if you clear too much, their passive defense position (being that they have all three of their team on their side of the map) will make their carrier harder to assassinate as well. It&#039;s a very fine line, but I always try to heavily damage enemies seeking my carrier, rather than outright kill them. It gives time for me to move easier around the map without running into another wave of enemy spawns, and set up a better position to kill their carrier.<br /><br />Defensive players in standoffs are positively the most integral part of the team, and the actions of them in those situations can easily make the difference between wins and losses. A lot of it is experience, a lot of it is awareness, but above all, never let the enemy team have the run of your base. Even if their members can outgun out, putting pressure on them will make your carriers job significantly easier. Note that if they have two people hunting your carrier in a 3v3, their carrier is alone. If you are damaging/clearing, then not only does your carrier benefit, but the enemy will be more inclined to push back, and leave their carrier solo. That&#039;s where your third person should be, assassinating the enemy carrier!<br /><br />In priv these points hold less water due to 4v4/5v5 being the standard and changing the dynamic flow of defensive roles, but in 3v3, proper defense positioning is incredibly important. Mental awareness of enemy locations is 100% key in preventing very quick losses of 2 flags. In short, dance with them, but don&#039;t let them set the tempo. That&#039;s your job as a defensive player.<br /><br />A footnote, I don&#039;t condone suiciding as a runner unless the map is very sizeable, and you can easily get back to that point before possible enemies in your base realize where you died. It can backfire very, very badly. It&#039;s a chance the carrier takes, however. Just be prepared to fall back very fast to deny any chance of them returning it as best you can. A lot of what I said varies based off team makeup and the map being played. That&#039;s where experience comes in. I tried to only cover principles I utilize that apply to the situation, and it ended up being a fucking thesis. Whoops.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1848, 218, 12, 1274426833, 0, 1848, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Fastidious', '', '75.4.133.143', 1, 1274427232, 'Fastidious', '[b]* Xenaero - Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />After having a problematic season Xen needs to bounce back and go with reliable players this time around.&nbsp; Xen is a D player mainly so he needs to go for O.&nbsp; There really are only three choices for him.&nbsp; Mikehail as a pure runner and topping the league in captures per round for two seasons now is the likely choice.&nbsp; If Xen thinks he can play top D this season he should pick Mike.&nbsp; Mike&#039;s weakness however is a lack of flexibility, he is best used a runner, any other position he is wasted and not nearly as good.&nbsp; Xen could also go for ItalianStallion or Whiteboy as well.&nbsp; Both are extremely strong generalists who can play any position.&nbsp; However, neither of them can run as good as Mike can.&nbsp; In a pinch however they can fill out any position which is very questionable if Mike can.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Xen drafts Mikehail.[/i]<br />Other options - Whiteboy or Stall.<br /><br />[b]* Goatface* - Doom Raiders[/b]<br /><br />Goat is a generalist but I think he does best running.&nbsp; Again White and Stall are good picks.&nbsp; However I think Hatred can be a top D player and might complement Goat nicely if Goat plans on running this season.&nbsp; Midian is also someone I think excels at D(and really everywhere) but some captains have a hard time working with him as his hours are usually weird. Killingblair&nbsp; and Rottking are also always solid defenders.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Goat drafts Whiteboy.[/i]<br />Other options - Hatred, Blair, Mid, RottKing or Stall.<br /><br />[b]* Tai - Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />Everyone wants to see Tai do something else but D, and maybe this is the season he should.&nbsp; Last season KGB really had an extremely powerful lineup, on paper at least.&nbsp; Their O was pretty good but their D was not.&nbsp; I&#039;m not sure who Tai should pick because I&#039;m not sure what position Tai is going to play this season.<br /><br />If Tai is smart he&#039;ll play middle this season.&nbsp; That means he needs to pick up D and O.&nbsp; He should focus on O now and worry about beefing up D second round.&nbsp; If Mike is left he should go for him.&nbsp; Doubtful Mike will be so Tai has a ton of options.&nbsp; It really comes down to who he thinks will be active and play good this season.&nbsp; You can name players like Climhazzard and even MionicDonut for example as O players but are they serious this season?&nbsp; Tai often likes to go for fellow R members so Legion, Beast or even Collision(who is probably toxic after last season) are strong possibilities.&nbsp; Saber is a consistent O player in the IDL.&nbsp; Mantis-X is another good O choice but I&#039;m under the impression they did not get along too great last time.&nbsp; However one strong generalist is left...<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Tai drafts Stall.[/i]<br />Other options - R members, Mantis-X, Saber.<br /><br />[b]* Jenova* - Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />Jen has to run after doing so well last season.&nbsp; I&#039;ve never really seen him play D but maybe he can.&nbsp; If he is planning to do O his picks should mirror what I suggested for Goat.&nbsp; There will still be lots of D guys left.&nbsp; From ST Jen knows RussianDumbass is a great player with big D skills.&nbsp; I think out of all the captains thus far Jen has the most flexibility so it&#039;ll be interesting to see who he chooses.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Jen drafts Rus.[/i]<br />Other options - Blair, Hatred, Mid, Mantis-X, Saber, or RottKing.<br /><br />[b]* Nostar* - Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />I&#039;d love to see Nostar mix it up and play O all season this time around.&nbsp; I think he knows his D is his best asset thus he&#039;ll be too smart to try that.&nbsp; Nostar can either go for another strong fragging player to complement his D or an offensive player.&nbsp; It depends who is left at this pick.&nbsp; If somehow Mike is left that is a perfect choice.&nbsp; It&#039;d be cool to see Stall get picked by Nostar just because of the &quot;worst franchise&quot; comment last season but I doubt that&#039;ll happen.&nbsp; Rus has little IDL experience but Nostar knows him so if he is around that might be a possibility.&nbsp; Mantis-X and Saber can consistently put up a fair amount of captures.&nbsp; With the league&#039;s best captain they should do even better.&nbsp; Ladna is also another under rated player who makes up for any weaknesses in his game with his brain(and rcon!).&nbsp; RottKing deserves a look as well and might really flourish under Nostar&#039;s evil leadership given the right incentives.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Nostar drafts Saber.[/i]<br />Other options - Mantis-X, RottKing, Hatred, Mid, Blair or Ladna.<br /><br />[b]* LordBritish* - Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />LordBritish is a good all round player but he usually does best on O.&nbsp; He should focus his picks on the remaining strong fragging D players left.&nbsp; He needs someone very reliable and good experience.&nbsp; He needs to build a foundation for his team.&nbsp; Ideally LB would be able to get White, or Stall but it is very unlikely either will remain at this stage in the draft.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]LB drafts RottKing.[/i]<br />Other options - Mantis-X, Hatred, Mid, Blair, or Ladna.<br /><br />[b]* Shadow Ghost - Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />Shadow Ghost had a brain failure last season and picked Metalblack(haha!) instead of someone else.&nbsp; Hopefully he can straighten up this time around.&nbsp; Shadow can play any position but he really does best at middle putting up the frags.&nbsp; He has a lot of flexibility depending who is left and what position he feels comfortable at.&nbsp; I think his biggest strength is fragging so he should pick another top fragger then go for O next round.<br /><br />Prediction -[i] Shadow drafts Hatred.[/i]<br />Other options - Mantis-X, Mid, Blair, or Ladna.<br /><br />[b]* Ralphis - Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />Another strong generalist but one who leans rather heavily towards O.&nbsp; Ralph really likes to practice so he wants an active player.&nbsp; There should be lots of good talent left even this late in the first round.&nbsp; Blair, Ladna or perhaps Climhazzard might be good pickups for the Unidoom connection.&nbsp; If Ralphis plans to mainly play O he needs to beef up his D at this point before no good D is left.&nbsp; If somehow a D player I previously recommended is still available they would be a good choice.&nbsp; Nazz is someone I&#039;ve played with in the past who can play quite solid D but is he going to be serious this season?&nbsp; Strangle and WraithVerge have great shots and would do good in a D position under Ralph.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Ralphis drafts Ladna.[/i]<br />Other options - Mantis-X, Mid, or Blair.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1535, 177, 11, 1266942938, 22, 1535, 'Re: Week 8 (Feb 22 - Feb 28) : ZDCTF16 (Map 16) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Berserker Packers vs Spread Eagles<br /><br />HUGE matchh holyy cow, the WDC is gonna be real interesting this week ! I do believe this map is right up BSK&#039;s grill but other than that, no comment on this one!<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys vs Flag Steelers<br /><br />oooh boy another HUGE match, now i havent done the math but I believe if BBC wins this match, they will be tied with FLS going into week 9 (or maybe .5 games ahead of FLS). BBC is coming off a bye week to recharge their batteries, and FLS is coming off a 3 round extravaganza against conference rivals Berserker Packers. I believe there can only be so much finesse on this map, while the rest relies on brute force. Therefore it&#039;d be interesting to see how nero &amp; gyross are used here. Running on whiteboy here would probably be worse than hell itself, but running on Stallion may be almost as bad. I expect this game to be close and intense! I Don&#039;t know who to give it to, so I&#039;m gonna call it a tie !<br /><br />BBC 1-1 FLS<br /><br />Doom Raiders vs Super Chargers<br /><br />Ok so this map is the one Ralphis rallied for to have back in the IDL wad. That packaged along with SUC&#039;s 5-1 record and DMR&#039;s 1-4-1 record, shows that this is going to be a huge test for the new look doom raiders. However I just think SUC is going to be too strong here.<br /><br />DMR 0-2 SUC<br /><br />Killing Browns vs Electric Bills<br /><br />This season, the IDC SUCKS! The best team in the league (record-wise), and then the 3 worst teams in the league (record-wise). I love EBL, and I truly want them to win, but they have been ailing, and I don&#039;t see it getting much better for them for the remainder of the season. Xen you just gotta start again next season. <br /><br />KGB 2-0 EBL', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8284, 815, 17, 1360372419, 0, 8284, 'LIMITATION??', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.42.98.214', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8281#msg8281 date=1360371285]<br />it&#039;s what it is, because I play with it daily. why don&#039;t you stop that paranoia already, its old. OR MAYBE THIS IS WATERMELON TALKING THROUGH LEGION&#039;S COMPUTER AND HE&#039;S BEEN BACKDOORED??????[/quote]<br />Where&#039;d you get that from? I&#039;m fairly sure no one here even hinted at the paranoid backdoor claims from some time ago.<br /><br />[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=811.msg8281#msg8281 date=1360371285]get real dude. I think the whole &quot;Not legitimate Doom&quot; is tired and played out, mostly because that is fully subjective.<br />[/quote]<br />Now we know that you only suggested such a thing because you&#039;re a bitch. Just because WBuild makes it easier for you doesn&#039;t mean Odamex should do the same.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1820, 212, 1, 1274158960, 157, 1820, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.115.101.169', 1, 0, '', 'I wasn&#039;t trying to tell ladna how to play ctf but I think I came off as doing so. Sorry ladna.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1923, 222, 12, 1276305145, 131, 1923, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/110610/1276305078.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/110610/1276305099.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/110610/1276305113.png[/img]<br /><br />Demo: http://jakub.machata.cz/idl/IDL-S2010-SPE-SUC-week1-GyrossmanPOV_idl2010h.108.zip', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1538, 174, 1, 1266970845, 49, 1538, 'Re: ur attn plz', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'The guy is Ladna, and the floor is actually made of stats.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1539, 177, 11, 1266995908, 15, 1539, 'Re: Week 8 (Feb 22 - Feb 28) : ZDCTF16 (Map 16) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'Really, if only the entire league was like the teams in WDC.&nbsp; We&#039;d have one hell of a league here.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1536, 178, 11, 1266955484, 130, 1536, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=173.msg1532#msg1532 date=1266874140]<br />Things we&#039;re talking about right now are:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Expanding to 12 teams[/li]<br />[li]Repealing the franchise system[/li]<br />[li]Making the season shorter or longer[/li]<br />[li]Changing from 3v3 to 4v4 (or some other configuration)[/li]<br />[li]Setting up a system to pick the maps for the season, like community voting or something[/li]<br />[li]Banning games that aren&#039;t 3v3 (so 3v2 or 2v2 games aren&#039;t allowed, any team that can&#039;t get 3 players on forfeits, meaning double forfeits are possible)[/li]<br />[/list]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Okay well 12 teams, while I know people want it to happen, has a&nbsp; couple of interesting ramifications. The first problem is the franchise system, because there are about 5 franchises that will dominate the IDL in a 12 team system, which means 7 teams are crap. If the franchise system disappears...then there will be about 3 teams that will dominate and 9 teams making up the actual league. Either way I think at this point we&#039;d struggle to fill up 12 teams with [b]active players[/b]. <br /><br />Personally I feel like the franchise system makes IDL more competitive, and maybe for a lot of people less fun. For some people the franchise system just lets other teams stack against them. For some people it allows them to play primarily with their friends. I personally think the franchise system has seen it&#039;s day. People aren&#039;t as dedicated as they need to be and random teams (assuming the seasons are shorter) will make for a more explosive and engaging league.<br /><br />I like the concept of&nbsp; short (and more frequent) seasons. The only reason shorter ones make more sense is to preserve the player base. Good teams will have the same awesome games and bad teams won&#039;t have to suffer 4 months of badness followed by 3 months of off season.<br /><br />This is going to sound arrogant I guess but 3v3 has too much individual responsibility for most of you to beat me and bones and Ralph and white. It&#039;s just not in the cards. If you wanna win in a 3v3 league you&#039;re going to have to hope each of those players are on a team by themselves and you have a substantially better team. 4v4 on the other hand is a totally different beast. I personally feel like 4v4 would be a blast and would like to at least try it in a league format.<br /><br />Community map voting is a good idea. The board is complete crap and they all have brain tumors.<br /><br />Anything less than a 3v3 isn&#039;t a fun game. Double forfeits are a good incentive for teams to get their people on. There should also be a rule where if a captain has multiple forfeits he gets impeached, if there isn&#039;t already one. the base of IDL is showing up. If you can&#039;t do it, don&#039;t join.<br /><br />Also I want to address Fast&#039;s notion of removing captainships. I have no conception of how the league would work without captains. I guess you could put all the things captains do on Ladna or Ralph (scheduling, drafting), and try to have a communal strategic approach along with group home-field selection. If Ladna and Ralph want to schedule with (8 teams) 24 (max 32) players instead of 8 captains that is great. If Fast is willing to take over the scheduling duty I see that being far more likely as I know dealing with scheduling already sucks. Maybe if you convinced Ladna to write a web form so that every player in IDL can sign in, select availability on an hour to hour basis from Thursday through Sunday and then output the results to the site that would be nice. I doubt players would keep up with that very well though. My perspective is that captains make the league run smoother and take some of the work off Ladna and Ralph (mostly Ladna because Ralph is a slackass).<br /><br />More people need to post about these things too. Get to typing lameasses!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1537, 178, 11, 1266969533, 86, 1537, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '75.183.47.140', 1, 0, '', '[quote]&nbsp; &nbsp; * Expanding to 12 teams<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Repealing the franchise system<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Making the season shorter or longer<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Changing from 3v3 to 4v4 (or some other configuration)<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Setting up a system to pick the maps for the season, like community voting or something<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; * Banning games that aren&#039;t 3v3 (so 3v2 or 2v2 games aren&#039;t allowed, any team that can&#039;t get 3 players on forfeits, meaning double forfeits are possible)[/quote]<br /><br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; So far this season has been fun and I enjoy the team that I am participating on. Only a few things before I jump into it that are not listed. I know its been said before and I know I do not contribute but server variety(nostar and ladna ilu). As I do appreciate the great deed nostar and ladna do for idl sometimes I just dont see why we cant get another server owner to throw up some servers for idl(as long as they aren&#039;t assholes). Me personally I have no problems with TT or playing on that server, maybe sometimes I will experience pl but thats about it. It just sucks that teams are not able to play to there full potential due to certain issues caused by the server. Getting dicked out of a game because one of your members was pinging oddly high for unknown reason is just kind of unfair.<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Now on to the ideas the idl board have taken into consideration. Now as much as I like competition and more of it, 12 teams seems to be pushing it, if we were to do that, we&#039;d honestly have to have 3 player teams. Reason being activity. Also as star said, imagine 3 teams out of the league being stacked while the others are just so so. You&#039;d have to figure out a way to spread the talent which would make things more fair amongst the league. I like the way things are now with 8 teams, 4 players per team, it seems pretty decent that way. <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; <br />&nbsp; &nbsp; I think the franchise system is kind of bogus, also the trading system. Reason being that teams are more likely to be stacked with friends franchising each other, captains making deals behind the scenes and ultimately decent teams being screwed out of a chance to snag a decent player. With franchising be done away with, I think it would build more suspense and more hype during the draft. It&#039;d also help spread the wealth throughout the league. The league also needs some new captains which has already been stated previously but it is very true. Another reason why the league is kind of shit atm is because of teams not being motivated enough by there captain or not being lead properly, I had the opportunity to cap once and I should of taken it(maybe winter 2011 if its still up for grabs :)). I just think we need some new talent stepping up to the leadership role, would stir up the competition more. <br />&nbsp;  <br />&nbsp; I honestly feel the season is fine the way it is now, I dont think the length needs to be any long or shorter only if the above is taken into consideration. Like new captains, players being more active, motivated teams among other things. If a team practices and becomes tight and plays well together, I feel like they can get it together in the alotted time of the season. I know sometimes people might get screwed for some dumb reason like ping or a player not showing up, but if we have dedicated teams and players I see no reason why this wouldnt work properly.<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; <br />3v3 would be a disaster, this subject has pretty much been layed out by nostar, cant add anything else.<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; <br />I think players voting on maps would be stellar, I truly like this idea and would love to see it implemented. As long as the maps we have to choose from arent bogus I see no reason why anyone wouldnt want this!<br /><br />I also like the idea of a team forfeiting, because 3v2 or even 2v1 games are ridiculous. Yes its an easy way to get a win but its honestly just retarded.<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Also call me a crybaby or whatever the hell you want but I honestly think that spamming during game is for bitches. It completely ruins any bind system you have or any say_team information youd like to relay to your team. &quot;You guys take this game too serious&quot; a little boy said in regard to this, funny thing is that they took the time to think up this idea and actually implement it during game for the lawls, which in my opinion takes more effort then to just play the game. Funny thing was we didnt lose, Whoa!<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1849, 152, 3, 1274466631, 76, 1849, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'RussianDumbass', 'russiandumbass@gmail.com', '216.164.48.93', 1, 0, '', 'Always read it in my mind as priv as in PRIVET but there&#039;s also a third possibility which is rooted in India, priv as in SHIVA&nbsp; :o ::)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(5458, 537, 17, 1322060255, 165, 5458, 'Re: 2nd Priv Server', 'TheKillerNacho', 'timothyjsharpe@yahoo.com', '98.110.92.218', 1, 0, '', 'Awesome, thanks.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2087, 232, 12, 1278957911, 19, 2087, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 1278965131, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=232.msg2078#msg2078 date=1278914050]<br />Nope.&nbsp; I don&#039;t owe you faggots anything. [...] Well OK, here we are, I&#039;m still right and you guys are still bickering.&nbsp; Thank God I&#039;m in charge.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well as it so happens I just finished ur achievement-style icon! I tried to fit all of your qualities into one space. I think I succeeded! Comes in two flavours!<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/120710/1278958093.png[/img] [img]http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/9162/ladna.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3783, 403, 14, 1300318193, 55, 3783, 'Re: IDL WINTER 2011 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'ReXn0r', 'yannik_marcos@hotmail.com', '189.152.118.149', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Hatred<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Ralphis<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Whiteboy<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Nostar<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Tai<br />&nbsp;  <br />WDC<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Jenova<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Lordbritish<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; mikehail<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Stallion<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Xenaero', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4189, 447, 18, 1308529915, 147, 4189, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 13 - Jun 19) : CC11: Isolation (MAP 28) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'Texas is my second-favorite college football program, and their colors are better than the Browns&#039;.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4158, 442, 16, 1307414446, 89, 4158, 'Re: A Post About Trading That You Should Read', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.242.4.12', 1, 1307414572, 'Solar_Flare', 'The trade blair made was a dumb trade and I could see that, even though I wasn&#039;t playing then.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6305, 617, 20, 1330329265, 37, 6305, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '98.209.167.80', 1, 1330329382, 'Tony', 'how mad are you bros?<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/MxQ3Gl.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6093, 596, 18, 1327621897, 0, 6093, 'Re: IDL-R kicks off this Friday!', 'Soul Sucka', '', '177.40.40.5', 1, 0, '', 'Looking forward to it. ^^', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1541, 176, 11, 1267032814, 22, 1541, 'Re: Missing Demos', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Goat played on week 6 but not on week 5, so he should only have 1 demo to submit yes?', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1542, 176, 11, 1267033941, 7, 1542, 'Re: Missing Demos', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.69', 1, 0, '', 'Technically he played in round 1 because he accidentally joined.&nbsp; But I won&#039;t make him upload a demo for it.&nbsp; That&#039;s why his name is listed though - the site sees all things.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1543, 176, 11, 1267035838, 22, 1543, 'Re: Missing Demos', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'Lmao big brother is watching', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2137, 239, 12, 1280093254, 2, 2137, 'Re: Week 7 (Jul 19 - Jul 25) : 32in24-7 MAP27 (MAP32) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b][/b][/u][/size][/color]<br />:)<br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	This is an important game for the Spread Eagles to win.&nbsp; Dropping the ball here ends their season, while winning doesn&#039;t guarantee a playoff berth.&nbsp; They have a good chance this week if they show up and practice, FLS could be a little below average this week.&nbsp; Rus is an all around good player but Lordbritish smells and ladna will probably get stuck in a pit a lot.&nbsp; Thus the multitude of power plays heading SPE&#039;s way will seal the deal and keep the playoff race alive.<br /><br />[center][i]The Eagles take a close win to keep their dreams alive until next week.[/i]<br />[b]SPE 2-1 FLS[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://sites.google.com/site/xenaero/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	DMR has been changed from the Doom Raiders to the Doomed Raiders, better luck next season goat!<br /><br />[i]This would be a struggle 4v3 I think.[/i]<br />[center][b]EBL 2-0 DMR[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	The Berserker Packers are probably some what of a crapsack on this map.&nbsp; Lots of height and slow players will hold them back from the easy win they would manage on any other map.&nbsp; This gives the Browns a chance to take their Divisional title and win our homefield advantage!&nbsp; X-Ray should probably defend while everybody else runs and this one could go home early. Joshsmith will be strong on this map and maybe strangle or tai can work something out.<br /><br />[i]The Killing Browns want to take homefield and go to the Masterbowl![/i]<br />[center][b]BSK 1-2 KGB[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1821, 213, 12, 1274160258, 10, 1821, 'MOVED: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'This topic has been moved to [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?board=4.0]Total Trash Server Board[/url] for not being related to Summer 2010 season.<br /><br />[iurl]http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=212.0[/iurl]', 'moved', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1850, 218, 12, 1274472673, 30, 1850, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.185', 1, 0, '', 'DD - Ebills<br />I think DD is more effective floating around due to his knowledge of the game. I think that some offense combinations could overwhelm him on defense and crush a setup with him play D. I think he should go for a very dependable defense like whitebouy and a solid runner, the runner doesn&#039;t have to be the best knowing all the tricks they just have to be solid pending he gets whitebouy. If he can&#039;t get him he will need a great runner to lighten up the D guy.<br /><br /><br />Goatface - Doom Raiders<br /><br />Goatface can be a beast, and if I recall he played D for the almighty R but it all depends on who he can get in the draft. If he can obtain a stronger defensive player than himself he to as DD should be looking to play middle.&nbsp; Thus getting a smart runner to bring it full circle. I would recommend mikehail because I know they have a feel for each other as they have dominated together before.<br /><br />Tai - Killing browns<br /><br />Tai is a &#039;Natural&#039; floater, he has held down the D for a while now in the absence of Ninjadog. As I recall he is much more deadly running around maps engaging ppl than he is on his already stellar D.&nbsp; Depending on the draft order if Tai can snatch a highly qualified Defensive player he could pick up a newbie for offense or mid and have a decent chance at going deep in the playoffs. <br /><br />If he doesn&#039;t want to go with a new guy rambo style O guy would be fit...no need to point out those ppl<br /><br />Jenova - BSK<br /><br />Jenova has a knack for running. He brings his acrobatic abilities from ST without missing a beat. however I while he is pretty much all around on ST I think his strength on zdaemon would be offense. I see Jenova doing one of two things. Grabbing another solid Offensive player and one D guy or grabbing two D guys and putting on a offensive clinic by himself.<br /><br />rott and saber would be a nice combo also gyross plays similar running style so maybe that would fit better<br /><br />Nostar - BBC<br /><br />Nostar should switch shit up on a map by map basis, I also think if he focuses on his SSG he would be more effective when sitting back on D. So I think Nostar should get a player that can move between D and O so he can move up and confuse his opponents and grab some dropped flags.<br /><br />I think he should take a stab at wraith and or strangle <br /><br />LB - FLS<br /><br />LB is a very smart runner, very good at zigging and making you think he zagged. I think he should go for a good support player and not worry to much about defense. If he can create a team that can go hard enough offensively the other team won&#039;t have time to take shots at his flag. I think LB has a good mixture of rambo style and trickery which will help this cause. <br /><br />I can see mantis, hatred, myself fitting in their. <br /><br />Rage SPE<br /><br />I know that Mantis and Rage go together like peanut butter and jelly, but I think this summer the ghost should pick his poison. He can do it all but depending on how the draft turns out he as will Tai will have to decide whether they will continue tradition and play D or woo the IDL with their heavy fragging offensive might, FACT Ghost and Tai where teammates in their pre-SIN and pre-TC days as members of helos commandos. Now all these years later they find themselves in similar situations. They cannot be on teams this season but will this fact bring them together for a future season? <br /><br />Look for Ghost to&nbsp; to find a D replacement and move up to reek havoc, also pray that it isn&#039;t one of the top defensive players available.<br /><br />Ralphis SUC<br /><br />I applaud Ralphis for his ability to work with people, he is like a Doom ambassador, not sure why some admins don&#039;t see it that way. Not only does he posses that quality but he is also like the CTF McGyver, give this guy the n00biest of the n00bs and I can at the very least guarantee he will cook some shit up to give you a run for your money. With that being said I predict he will once again take a chance and pick someone that doesn&#039;t have much IDL experience. However This might be the year of the titans and I would hate to see this brain go to waste. <br /><br />If he reads this he should pick up Hatred and Beast, if he does that, the IDL will be on lock and I put money on that.<br /><br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1544, 178, 11, 1267036439, 7, 1544, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.69', 1, 1267036858, 'Ladna', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=173.msg1532#msg1532 date=1266874140]<br />[list]<br />[li]Expanding to 12 teams[/li]<br />[li]Repealing the franchise system[/li]<br />[li]Making the season shorter or longer[/li]<br />[li]Changing from 3v3 to 4v4 (or some other configuration)[/li]<br />[li]Setting up a system to pick the maps for the season, like community voting or something[/li]<br />[li]Banning games that aren&#039;t 3v3 (so 3v2 or 2v2 games aren&#039;t allowed, any team that can&#039;t get 3 players on forfeits, meaning double forfeits are possible)[/li]<br />[/list]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well, some of the stuff I&#039;m immediately in favor of is banning games that aren&#039;t 3v3 and community map voting (even though you guys can be pretty dumb, we can also be pretty dumb :) ).&nbsp; The other things are really huge changes that need to be carefully thought out.<br /><br />Regarding number of teams, maybe we could base the number of teams by how many players sign up.&nbsp; I think this season we had around 6-8 free agents (counting LB), which is at least 2 more teams.&nbsp; But then again that means we&#039;re out of options when it comes to players dropping out, etc.&nbsp; On the other hand we could have gone to 5 player teams and made this season 4v4.&nbsp; Of course, changing the number of players in a game changes the way maps are played and thus how they&#039;re selected, so this isn&#039;t as simple as it looks from the start.<br /><br />Another thing I want to talk about re: maps is that there&#039;s a really fine line between maps that are &quot;super offensive&quot; and maps that are &quot;too big&quot; or &quot;standoffs&quot;.&nbsp; You can probably call MAP12 (THIRTY4 MAP13, Charge, Megaarmor, Plasma, etc.) super offensive -- most games go to 5 flags there -- but I guess a lot of people hate it because it&#039;s impossible to defend against a 200/200 runner.&nbsp; I don&#039;t mean to complain, but this puts us in a difficult position when picking maps.&nbsp; If we do open up map voting to the community, this kind of debate is gonna blow up, and players are gonna call each other retards for not understand obvious things about Doom.&nbsp; Then again, maybe that debate is healthy, I don&#039;t know.&nbsp; I do know that when you start thinking about the way maps play and what makes maps &quot;super offensive&quot; or &quot;grinds&quot; or &quot;trick&quot;, it requires a lot of thinking and sometimes even play testing (which the board actually does!).<br /><br />The franchise system is a weird beast.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s produced some really strong teams, and I think that IDL is better for it.&nbsp; On the other hand, it really jews unpopular or unskilled or inexperienced captains: no high quality player wants to blow a season on a captain like that.&nbsp; You can point to FLS and say that if a player of Whiteboy&#039;s caliber wants to play with a player like Ladna, then surely the system works... but that&#039;s probably owing more to White&#039;s sense of fairness and competition.&nbsp; If IDL had its way he&#039;d have been on Shakal&#039;s team and Chaotix wouldn&#039;t be in the league (according to the rules and the way things are supposed to shake out).&nbsp; I realize that this screws players like me, but unless we force players to play for captains they don&#039;t like or don&#039;t want to play for, I don&#039;t see a way around it.&nbsp; Maybe we should just call them pussies and make them play, I don&#039;t know.<br /><br />We did approve multiple/alternate servers for next season.&nbsp; We felt that it was unfair to make such a big change for this season, but next season expect quite a few different servers to choose from.&nbsp; The IDL &amp; server admins will figure out the details, but it should work and be a lot better next season.<br /><br />I know there&#039;s an age-old debate about people who spend their time/money on things in ZDaemon being taken for granted, and I guess on one hand that&#039;s true.&nbsp; But really what kind of person does things so they get thanked - if Nostar and I hadn&#039;t started TotalTrash in Season 4, IDL would&#039;ve been screwed.&nbsp; We both like IDL, so we put a bunch of money into it.&nbsp; JKist wanted to help us out and run some ZDDL servers, so now he&#039;s the sole supporter of TotalTrash.&nbsp; I like stats and I like automation, so I spent a lot of time creating ZDStack and revamping the IDL site.&nbsp; I guess my point is that I do this stuff because it supports things that I like, and if I didn&#039;t do this, IDL at some point would have been screwed.&nbsp; So yeah, I think IDL owes me, Nostar and JKist a big thank you.<br /><br />But I think being taken for granted shows how successful our efforts have been.&nbsp; We&#039;ve been solid enough that people expect that TotalTrash will be around and functioning.&nbsp; The IDL site works well enough that it&#039;s a hub of information for players and, dare I say fans!&nbsp; While I did put in this effort basically for myself (and I expect that Nostar and JKist have done the same), it is gratifying to be so important in the competitive ZD community.&nbsp; <br /><br />So what this all boils down to is that I don&#039;t think that we want to be thanked and worshipped and all that.&nbsp; But on the other hand we don&#039;t owe you guys anything either.&nbsp; When it comes down to it, TotalTrash and IDL.org work the way that we want them to.&nbsp; I have a better connection to TT than any other server set, so there&#039;s no incentive at all for me to play on or run a different server.&nbsp; And while I understand that this isn&#039;t the case for a significant number of players, at the end of the day I don&#039;t care at all.&nbsp; JKist, Nostar and I run TT because it&#039;s beneficial to us and stuff that we care about.&nbsp; If you guys want a different server then you&#039;re welcome to do the same, but it&#039;s not our responsibility to go out of our way to do something that doesn&#039;t benefit us at all.&nbsp; In fact, because I have a disadvantage against some players on non-TT servers, it would actually hurt me to spend time on a non-TT server.&nbsp; Why would I ever do that?<br /><br />But that&#039;s not to say that I&#039;m a big asshole who&#039;s hoarding connection quality.&nbsp; I&#039;m just not going to spend my time &amp; money on servers that make life harder for me.&nbsp; You guys are totally welcome to do so.&nbsp; Beast &amp; Jenova run servers (honestly I haven&#039;t looked at non-IDL servers for a long time, so I don&#039;t even know what&#039;s running anymore) and we&#039;ll probably use them next season.&nbsp; Sorry for making another word-you-to-death post, but I wanted to kind of clear the air regarding servers and TT.&nbsp; I think that anyone who does anything in this community does it for themselves and that&#039;s the way it should be.&nbsp; Otherwise you&#039;re gonna be waiting around for a payoff that won&#039;t, and shouldn&#039;t come.<br /><br />And finally I know there&#039;s been some talk about the board being closed and secretive and pawns and whatever.<br /><br />[size=5][color=red][b]THIS IS YOUR CHANCE TO BE HEARD[/b][/color][/size]<br /><br />Post, OMG post what you think about this stuff.&nbsp; Hopefully this thread explodes to gargantuan size, and we get all sorts of good ideas about ways we can improve IDL.&nbsp; At this point there&#039;s no such thing as a bad idea, so just throw stuff out there; us on the board all worry that we&#039;re out of touch with the player base, so we really want to hear what you think.&nbsp; I mean, I won&#039;t be the one going around saying, &quot;remember that thread back in February where we were asking for ideas and opinions, and you didn&#039;t post anything?&quot;, but if IDL goes a way that you didn&#039;t want it to go and you didn&#039;t at least express a preference here, then you&#039;ll probably feel like you missed a chance to weigh in on IDL and what you think of it.&nbsp; We&#039;d like to hear from captains too, because a lot of IDL rests on their shoulders and we&#039;re always looking for ways to make their lives easier.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1651, 185, 11, 1268621683, 86, 1651, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '75.183.47.140', 1, 0, '', 'The real life excuse is bogus haha, we all know &quot;life obligations&quot; means playing another game or trolling some random forum. For as much energy as he puts arguing his point here, his life excuse is pretty lol.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1876, 218, 12, 1274722384, 15, 1876, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.94.206', 1, 0, '', 'Just so we&#039;re clear on things, I&#039;m just gonna put this out there and let all captains know.&nbsp; I&#039;m not very well at defending 3v3.&nbsp; I crack under pressure.&nbsp; I can get it done in priv because if some people get through, there&#039;s always players spawning in our base to chase.&nbsp; Look at last season, Rott was our D [and did a hell of a job!].&nbsp; I could do it, I wouldn&#039;t mind.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t think that I should be before other players for my defensive skills.&nbsp; I just shoot people.&nbsp; :P', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2030, 234, 3, 1278692862, 19, 2030, 'Re: Hello', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', 'Yes sir, at the beginning of every season there will be a freshly-made subforum with a topic that&#039;s more or less titled &quot;Signups open!&quot; during which there&#039;s a limited time to sign up for your selection by captains in the draft. We&#039;re at the mid-way point in the current season so you will likely not be able to jump in, but what you can do is join #idl on irc.quakenet.org if you have IRC (very much preferred as most IDL players do) and play Private CTF with us every now and then to get yourself known!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2048, 232, 12, 1278801126, 69, 2048, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '76.178.184.215', 1, 0, '', 'Thought I&#039;d throw in my two cents and say I don&#039;t think my team&#039;s lack of success is support for or against the franchising system.&nbsp; The problem is that I&#039;m a mid level player and probably shouldn&#039;t have captained.&nbsp; Most people would say that while I can benefit a lot of teams, of the captains I&#039;m the worst player, so DMR already starts with a handicap.&nbsp; Because of this I had to pick players who I knew wouldn&#039;t get pissy about it and not show for me.&nbsp; In the end I called it a loss, hopefully helped Hatred have a good final season and am trying to help Quik and Souler get some experience so they can get better and keep playing in future IDL seasons.<br /><br />I don&#039;t really see how any of this could be solved or worsened by franchising, as I would have run into the same problems.&nbsp; I agree that the issue is talented players leaving and not enough new players coming in.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2534, 264, 3, 1284311999, 226, 2534, 'Re: Expansion Names', 'Swag', 'swagiw@hotmail.com', '68.117.103.201', 1, 0, '', 'The Loveboat Vikings<br /><br />Because of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Vikings_boat_party_scandal', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8519, 844, 29, 1361627893, 2313, 8519, 'Re: February Pick-Up Collective 2013', 'nub_hat', 'mikaelhhome@yahoo.dk', '93.167.8.70', 1, 0, '', 'ggs this is good shit<br />im gonna get better eventually so i dont have as much trouble making it past the first round watch out', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8406, 827, 17, 1360890320, 2303, 8406, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'Don&#039;t worry, I will save BSK and come back just in time to lose in the masterbowl to Bones.<br /><br />I am the ace in the hole.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8627, 847, 28, 1362818080, 19, 8627, 'Re: Odamex player movement compared to ZD', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 1362818198, 'Xenaero', 'Oh JKist, you know better.<br /><br />e: So my post is a less shithead post, I will summarize with the factual statement that the visible player in ZDaemon is most certainly not the actual data the server is seeing. You should know better because I have extensively documented this and discussed it in your presence. I may post more later to clarify.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8834, 834, 1, 1364853394, 216, 8834, 'Re: Would you play in the IJL?', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.83.60', 1, 0, '', 'def yes', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8853, 870, 17, 1365176166, 2303, 8853, 'Re: ThatsJustPrime is New Board Member', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=capo link=topic=870.msg8851#msg8851 date=1365157809]<br />Well i doubt R players have some function here, see stall which wanted run here franchise league and nobody agreed , now he raged and make your own league on zan with his dumb rules (win rules).<br />/stop trolling<br /><br />I really dont care who play what, its everyone his own decision , we are not here on ZD field.&nbsp;  ???<br />[/quote]<br />You&#039;re jealous you can&#039;t attend an off-season event.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1784, 180, 1, 1273357250, 174, 1784, 'Re: SmartCTF - Open Playtesting', '[IW]Sunoska', 'chazbraz@gmail.com', '68.214.88.91', 1, 0, '', 'Sounds like an amazing idea', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8409, 827, 17, 1360897611, 157, 8409, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '173.59.167.186', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/eEspMu5.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1851, 218, 12, 1274479570, 2, 1851, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', '[b]* Xenaero - Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />Xen is confusing.&nbsp; Last season was sorta a bust with mid, he probably won&#039;t be taking a major risk like that this season.&nbsp; Xen needs a fragging runner if he is going to play D to help keep a little pressure off of him.&nbsp; Something like Joshsmith, ItalianStallion or Sunoska (yeah I said sunoska, guys a total wildcard, he came in a girl once) combined with a stronger fragging player like Hatred or Mantis-X in middle to provide some cover could work nicely.&nbsp; I doubt any of those guys will be left by the end of round 2, so I figure he will just take whiteboy and wing it as best as he can by grabbing whatever runner or middle player is left.&nbsp; With Xen&#039;s frags he should probably be in the middle, working both sides of the map as best he can and breaking up any attacks on the base or supporting as possible.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Xen drafts Whiteboy.[/i]<br />Other options - Stall, Joshsmith.<br /><br />[b]* Goatface* - Doom Raiders[/b]<br /><br />Goat is a pretty clever guy, hard to say what he will do.&nbsp; I figure he would love to grab ItalianStallion or whiteboy and simply rely on his scrappy planning to mesh his team together in the second round.&nbsp; I think he will start the season with a solid draft and a nice mix of players.&nbsp; There is a lot of talent in the rest of the league and I think Goat knows this better than any other captain in the league, he might have a better draft at the end by grabbing strong unknowns other captains pass by.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Goat drafts ItalianStallion.[/i]<br />Other options - Hatred, Blair, Sabertooth, Joshsmith.<br /><br />[b]* Tai - Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />Tai is a pretty confusing guy at times, usually his picks are curveballs to me.&nbsp; A great middle player might be the best investment for him, to let him play defense and then let some decent runner grind flags.&nbsp; This probably won&#039;t happen since Tai likes to go big or go home and will probably take a runner like Joshsmith or Sabertooth.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Tai drafts Joshsmith.[/i]<br />Other options - R members, Mantis-X, Saber.<br /><br />[b]* Jenova* - Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />Jen can run pretty well and he might be the most underrated individual player coming into the IDL after last season.&nbsp; He can run pretty consistently and even defend a lot of maps competently, a player like Rottking or Sabertooth could compliment him nicely.&nbsp; If Blair actually plays instead of being a bitch like last season, he could be a good pick, as they both are quite flexible.&nbsp; I doubt this will happen however, last season was pretty dealbreaking.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Jen drafts Rottking.[/i]<br />Other options - Blair, Hatred, Mid, Mantis-X, Saber, or RottKing.<br /><br />[b]* Nostar* - Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />Nostar will probably take me or Ladna.&nbsp; We both suck but Nostar managed to carry Ralph so he can probably do the same for us.&nbsp; Rus could be a good choice too, although risky.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Nostar drafts ???.[/i]<br />Other options - Mantis-X, Rus, Hatred, Mid, Blair or Ladna.<br /><br />[b]* LordBritish* - Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />LB is probably full of even crazier ideas than Goatface (see: fancyctf/lbctf) and will probably flame out quickly.&nbsp; He is a pretty flexible, good player so he can get away with picking anybody in my mind given they practice.&nbsp; Mantis-X or Hatred would go well with him, they are all players that love to surge during games and that could work out real well if they can manage to defend between those surges.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]LB drafts Hatred.[/i]<br />Other options - Mantis-X, Rus, Mid, Blair, or Ladna.<br /><br />[b]* Shadow Ghost - Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />Shadow Dodger is fat and will most likely pick a sandwich for his first round draft.&nbsp; Barring that possibility though, I think he will laze about and go with the Mantis-Denny combo for playoff spots.&nbsp; They usually don&#039;t have spectacular seasons but they do better than most pretty consistently.&nbsp; Plus that way denny won&#039;t have to do any work predraft.<br /><br />Prediction -[i] Shadow drafts Mantis-X.[/i]<br />Other options - Gyrossman, Mid, Blair, or Ladna.<br /><br />[b]* Ralphis - Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />Ralph will probably take Gyrossman.&nbsp; Besides probably being the best runner in the league, hes nice and active and can still frag as good as most American players while being able to properly time his disappearances to confuse defenders.&nbsp; Of course, Blair, Rus, or even Climhazzard could end up getting drafted depending on how frisky ralph is feeling.&nbsp; Would be neat to see a multinational team of Gyrossman, Ralphis, Nazz, and Ourhero.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Ralphis drafts Gyrossman.[/i]<br />Other options - Mid, Blair, Rus, Nazz.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1877, 218, 12, 1274736222, 157, 1877, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.115.101.169', 1, 0, '', 'stall you vastly underestimate yourself', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1924, 222, 12, 1276306704, 22, 1924, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '67.70.67.182', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/22915581/IDL-SPEvsSUC-week01_map29ShadowPOV.108.rar', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2000, 228, 12, 1278107388, 16, 2000, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.36.5.104', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />SPE will probably have a real fun time on this map, since this map seems to suit them more. Mantis and GHost will probably do ballet around BSK&#039;s defense, camp forever, then pop out one way and catch BSK by surprise.<br /><br />BSK MAY be able to control middle with a Stallion, but other than that, if SPE can get in BSK&#039;s base, tragedy will more than likely strike.<br /><br />[center][i]SPE run circles around BSK until BSK&#039;s so dizzy they shoot themselves rofl[/i]<br />[b]SPE 2-1 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img]<br />[/center]<br />Well you know, Quik&#039;s kind of a gay, Hate&#039;s definitely a gay, and where has Goat been again? I heard Quik talking some trash to me, so we&#039;ll have to welcome him to IDL formally. : )<br /><br />[center][i]DMR = SNAX = Hapless = Hopeless = Suck[/i]<br />[b]DMR 0-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://sites.google.com/site/xenaero/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />Yeah, I can&#039;t see this boding well for EBL. I&nbsp; don&#039;t know if any of them can really stop Mike, but if they can, they may stand a chance in this one. On the other end, unless Whiteboy runs, I don&#039;t see how EBL even scores! Or at least, scores enough to win...<br />[center][i]BBC um num num EBL and what is this about KGB losing on Map01 to BBC ROFL[/i] [b] EBL 0-2 BBC[/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][color=red][size=3]<br />[u][b]GAME OF THE WEEK[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br /><br />This game could be interesting, COULD. Both teams have good runners that will willingly wreck havoc on the other team&#039;s defense. FLS has LordBritish, and SUC has Gyrossman. Assuming Ralphis plays mid and Rottking D&#039;s, they could make FLS&#039;s life miserable offensively. However, Rus can probably defend FLS&#039; base by himself...or can he? Is the base too big? Probably. And I don&#039;t know if I can favor Ladna/Wraithverge over Ralphis/Rottking at mid. So there. =<br />[center][i]Steelers end up sucking much cock and choking as Chargers leave many FLS corpses on the field.[/i]<br />[b]FLS 1-2 SUC[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1972, 226, 12, 1277320399, 19, 1973, 'IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.15.224', 1, 1277325068, 'Ralphis', '[I PROPOSE...] As of the 23rd day of the 6th month of the 2010th year AD, games will no longer have the tiebreaker round starting with the Week 3 games of this season. This rule change is not retroactive and previous matches will not have to be re-played, also the previous ties in the season will not be discarded.<br /><br />Teams can only claim victory if they hold two games over their opponent for that week. This is much like the current method for deciding victors and eliminating ties in playoff title games, except it reflects the revered competitive sport of Tennis more than any other, leaving no doubt as to who wins.<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/230610/1277320200.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2031, 234, 3, 1278706565, 3, 2031, 'Re: Hello', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Hey Tavion. Xenaero pretty much covered it. Right now we&#039;re in the middle of our eighth season, &quot;Summer 2010&quot;, but when the winter season comes around you are more than welcome to sign up. Signing up doesn&#039;t guarantee that you&#039;ll play, but it makes you eligible for an invite, which means you&#039;ll have a chance at being drafted by a captain. As long as you&#039;re somewhat known within the #IDL community and don&#039;t cause any problems, you&#039;re pretty much guaranteed an invite.<br /><br />I know you&#039;ve played private CTF before, and you are a good player, so come on by. You can also help IDL teams practice on maps too, which is done every week.<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2049, 232, 12, 1278802649, 38, 2049, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.46.100', 1, 0, '', '1. franchising promotes players that refuse to play for certain captains. These players shouldn&#039;t even be allow to play if you want to promote real growth.<br /><br />2. 3v3 seems to promote this norm, &quot;weaker&quot; players may get a chance if the black plague suddenly kills someone. These &quot;weaker&quot; players won&#039;t get any better if they don&#039;t play. (sorry Legion) Private doesn&#039;t count cause quite frankly the same mentality extends from there. Again to promote real growth this has to change. Like Mike said they aren&#039;t gonna stay around to wash their teams balls. <br /><br />3. Nostar shut your face, and whats this BSK the front runner shit. Seriously everyone knows you can&#039;t win with just two players. Jen and Stall have got their hands full with Legion who needs chances to get better and Myself whose connection is like trying to jump off a moving train and go through a hoop the sizes of a quarter.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2138, 239, 12, 1280096725, 2, 2138, 'Re: Week 7 (Jul 19 - Jul 25) : 32in24-7 MAP27 (MAP32) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', 'ggs suc!<br /><br />[URL=http://img717.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100725150915.png/][IMG]http://a.imageshack.us/img717/191/ctf20100725150915.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img810.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100725151654.png/][IMG]http://a.imageshack.us/img810/9232/ctf20100725151654.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img44.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100725152103.png/][IMG]http://a.imageshack.us/img44/8694/ctf20100725152103.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3784, 410, 14, 1300318245, 10, 3784, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Who cares if Nostar left after the offseason? Why aren&#039;t you guys also calling out Chaindude, Humanbones, Fastidious, Gilgamesh, Whiteboy or other top players for ducking out of at least one season after losing and then coming back later? Nostar didn&#039;t even not come back the next season, he played every game of last summer and has played every game this winter.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4541, 484, 16, 1313036245, 64, 4541, 'Re: Reinstate franchising and editing some of the IDL maps', 'BloodStrike', 'fat1802002@yahoo.com', '71.63.215.76', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://graphjam.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/funny-graphs-the-internet-makes-me-aggro.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4190, 447, 18, 1308539199, 216, 4190, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 13 - Jun 19) : CC11: Isolation (MAP 28) - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '67.68.32.106', 1, 0, '', 'GGS FLS! You really gave us much more of a fight than we expected. :) <br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/BOnnO.png[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/Z3DRe.png[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/632ot.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8628, 847, 28, 1362847215, 2303, 8628, 'Re: Odamex player movement compared to ZD', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'If it&#039;s possible could you share with us as well, I&#039;m also interested in how ZD handles the movement', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1925, 222, 12, 1276310672, 157, 1925, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.115.114.101', 1, 0, '', 'Demooooooooo http://www.mediafire.com/?yttndtohytn', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1509, 178, 11, 1266648773, 15, 1509, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'I think the whole franchise thing kind of started the downfall.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying I don&#039;t like it.&nbsp; I&#039;d play on mantis&#039; team any day of the week.&nbsp; The thing is, people don&#039;t want to get stuck with someone for an entire two seasons if the team doesn&#039;t end up too well.&nbsp; Which is kind of long.&nbsp; IMO, a franchise player might be someone who can&#039;t get traded to another team for that season only.&nbsp; As for team balance, have people apply for a &quot;franchise status&quot;.&nbsp; The board will then assign players to be franchise players and have them be first picks no matter what.&nbsp; This ought to be based on how active the player is, and how well they play.&nbsp; And not only on skill alone.&nbsp; So there&#039;s no clowning around and picking someone because you like them, because that doesn&#039;t seem to work.&nbsp; I know this kind of goes along the lines of IDL being too formal.&nbsp; But you have to have a balance of fun and formal for this to work.&nbsp; And I think this might be a way to do it.<br /><br />I&#039;m sure people would rather play good games than hop in a server to troll someone...<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Oh and server variety plz kthnx. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1973, 227, 26, 1277325034, 10, 1973, 'MOVED: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'This topic has been moved to [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?board=12.0][IDL Summer 2010][/url].<br /><br />[iurl]http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=226.0[/iurl]', 'moved', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8410, 827, 17, 1360898176, 16, 8410, 'Re: Someone else quits', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Legion_ link=topic=827.msg8409#msg8409 date=1360897611]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/eEspMu5.png[/img]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Lol, if you mean my post you welcome, though I doubt you do.&nbsp; :P', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8835, 876, 1, 1364857149, 86, 8835, 'Re: HOLA!?', 'metalblack', 'bartashiii@gmail.com', '71.76.238.161', 1, 0, '', 'Har har har! I&#039;d like to see you try!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1823, 214, 1, 1274164652, 76, 1823, 'Don''t taze me bro!', 'RussianDumbass', 'russiandumbass@gmail.com', '65.96.204.156', 1, 0, '', 'Don&#039;t taze me.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2001, 228, 12, 1278111833, 131, 2001, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/020710/1278111738.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/020710/1278111765.png[/img]<br /><br />GG.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2032, 232, 12, 1278712241, 130, 2032, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Okay Stallion you&#039;re retarded.<br /><br />The reason the franchise system was so important is because it allowed some players (who might not otherwise chance playing for a less than stellar cap or being hatedrafted) to participate in the IDL. The main thing we lost when we lost franchising was the ability for those less than stellar caps to not franchise and draft high twice, (see FLS last season or EBL the season before when they made the Conference Championship with two really solid players). The idea behind franchising is that you get more players playing and more fair teams. <br /><br />I don&#039;t know exactly why people think this season was more fair. The WDC is dismal and sad compared to how it was looked upon pre-season. BSK and FLS are overrated and SPE doesn&#039;t show as much as they do. If anything this season is less balanced than the franchise era teams and seems to have less dedicated players. I can say that when Mantis was a captain he was a better player and more dedicated to practicing and getting his team on. Denny has shown no such dedication and it was why he lost with bones last season and continues to not do as well as he could this season. EBL has had personal issues which MIGHT be sorted out now, but Xenaero is just too sunk in his own self-pity to really get a run going I think. <br /><br />The reason these things are important is because they are the differences that are difficult to really quantify about post-franchise era IDL. People aren&#039;t on teams with people they like as much, they don&#039;t have as much leeway in practice time because you never know someone&#039;s schedule when they randomly draft you, you have less of a relationship with captains so u get facepalm trades or surprises in lineup changes or blah blah blah. It&#039;s a depersonalized and less engaging experience all around.<br /><br />Ladna may have been right about you all being&nbsp; butthurt over losing so much to me. Turns out that wasn&#039;t really franchising&#039;s fault. I would say that maybe you guys should opt for franchising and put together a stellar team to have a chance.<br /><br />SUC v BBC in Masterbowl. Unfortunately SUC&#039;s streak will end :/', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2045, 232, 12, 1278780210, 8, 2045, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '173.48.68.128', 1, 0, '', 'Ladna, you&#039;re right, you shouldn&#039;t have listened to what the players wanted. Most of them are pretty stupid. Not to mention I recall being almost alone in my feelings towards franchising being stale. I don&#039;t have any stats to pull out of my ass, I don&#039;t have an example of a team or a season that &quot;suffered&quot; because of franchising. I just got bored, personally.<br /><br />Well, now I also feel like a lot of the players who were role models or who actually contributed positively to the league instead of just showing up to practice and the game are gone. [b]Most[/b] of those players were/could have been great captains. Franchising wasn&#039;t a horrible idea at all, I actually like it, and I enjoyed the three seasons it was implemented.<br /><br />I think in order to have a season without it, we needed those role model players to stick around. And it was just bad timing. I&#039;m not saying I am/was a role model, but I captained for a good 6 seasons and I always made the playoffs. I guess I decided to take a break at the wrong time. Along with all the names mentioned in previous posts.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2108, 232, 12, 1279090376, 35, 2108, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2107#msg2107 date=1279083937]Especially White since he likes to boss people around.[/quote]<br /><br />ROFL what? you should lay off the opium over there you demented pay-4-sex scumbag!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1547, 176, 11, 1267043247, 20, 1547, 'Re: Missing Demos', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m thinking the same with Acolyte... He didn&#039;t play in that week 3 game for sure... I guess he joined in for a split second or something?&nbsp; ???', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3911, 420, 1, 1302322800, 10, 3911, 'Re: Seeking New Commissioner ', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '64.121.230.48', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m not leaving right now, but I will be leaving sooner than later. Most likely I&#039;m going to stick around for most of this summer season and help ease the new commissioner into the role during it. Then, they will have more time to get things in order for the Winter season. I have a personal game plan and time line for every year (winter through summer then preparing again for the next year), so for the person with the time and will to put up with availabilities, it should not be difficult.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4191, 446, 16, 1308604010, 209, 4191, 'Re: IDL.org Outage', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '70.60.122.135', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=446.msg4171#msg4171 date=1307758592]Unlike the forums or wiki, IDL.org doesn&#039;t start up automatically; I have to manually start it.[/quote]<br /><br />[tt]$ aptitude install [url=http://supervisord.org/]supervisor[/url][/tt]<br /><br />You&#039;re welcome.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4542, 491, 18, 1313038496, 216, 4542, 'Re: Season 10 / Summer 2011 Playoffs - Quarterfinal Round - Discussion and Results', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '67.68.35.226', 1, 0, '', 'my teams little doomer guy is clearly the best', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8854, 821, 29, 1365190044, 147, 8854, 'Re: Master Ranking', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '184.56.51.38', 1, 0, '', 'it is obvious that fluff and i are the pre-eminent forces in odamex duel.&nbsp; only 2 events!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1512, 178, 11, 1266690754, 15, 1512, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah but being franchised pretty much states that the captain would want to keep you for two seasons.&nbsp; But maybe for those who declined because of this reason, the captain should of proposed a one season deal?&nbsp; And if they still refused, well fuck em, go suck his dick... Or COCK!&nbsp; <br /><br />Also maybe being able to trade a franchise player after the first season is over.&nbsp; For maybe draft selections[which would swap the team&#039;s draft order], or a straight up franchise for franchise trade.&nbsp; Franchises must be consulted before the trade and must agree on the terms.&nbsp; Something like a &quot;no trade clause&quot; that hockey players have in the NHL, it&#039;s probably in other sports as well.&nbsp; This might promote for of a general manager role for a captain.&nbsp; Fooling around with his franchise/draft picks to try to make his team better in any way possible.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1513, 178, 11, 1266690802, 15, 1513, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'I know this should be in topic after the season is finished.&nbsp; I just have these ideas now, and will probably forget them when the time comes lol.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1514, 178, 11, 1266691017, 130, 1514, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'People in IDL aren&#039;t this interested or smart Stallion. Sorry. Most of them don&#039;t even take advantage of the trading options.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1515, 178, 11, 1266692446, 15, 1515, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'The thing with the current trade options is that, there&#039;s not much to wager with.&nbsp; No team would trade away a good player for homefield or some average player?........... MOST teams wouldn&#039;t!<br />And getting stuck with an inactive is probably the worst thing that could happen to you.&nbsp; Especially if that player was a franchise or a first rounder.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1517, 178, 11, 1266727686, 19, 1517, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.126', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=173.msg1514#msg1514 date=1266691017]<br />People in IDL aren&#039;t this interested or smart Stallion. Sorry. Most of them don&#039;t even take advantage of the trading options.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Or the fact that you literally cannot trade Franchises according to the rules for any reason whatsoever, or so I&#039;m told.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1518, 178, 11, 1266734037, 10, 1518, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=173.msg1517#msg1517 date=1266727686]<br />Or the fact that you literally cannot trade Franchises according to the rules for any reason whatsoever, or so I&#039;m told.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />What do you mean or so you&#039;re told? It&#039;s right in the rules!<br /><br />[quote author=IDL Rules]A franchised player cannot be traded unless there are serious internal conflicts within the team and the Commissioner grants a trade. Additionally, players who have played as a franchised player for the maximum two seasons under a captain may not be re-acquired by that captain through a trade. Finally, should a franchised player become a captain, they may not franchise their former captain.[/quote]<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1521, 178, 11, 1266787575, 2, 1521, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.40.134', 1, 1266787767, 'nostar', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=173.msg1520#msg1520 date=1266787383]<br />90% of people will be &quot;All-arounders&quot; which is a useless position and like 3 people can actually do all the positions well enough to say that. Additionally, different players on different maps will have different strengths and captains need to be aware and play to their player&#039;s strength.<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1522, 178, 11, 1266788031, 8, 1522, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@zdaemon.org', '173.76.243.216', 1, 0, '', 'In regards to captaining, I&#039;m not really sure why nobody steps up. Part of it is the board not considering certain people, but thats a very small part. Most people don&#039;t want to have that type of responsibility, which is fine but don&#039;t be surprised when the league dies because nobody wants to captain. I captained for 5 or 6 seasons, and thats because I enjoyed putting a team together and contributing to the growth of the league. To be honest, I expected more people to step up and [b]want[/b] to captain, but I suppose I come from a different era of competitive doomers.<br /><br />Why do I say that? Most of the captains started playing online at a very similar time (myself included these past few seasons). It just doesn&#039;t seem like newer players have any desire to play competitively, which makes me wonder why they join the league in the first place. Now, I know I didn&#039;t captain this season, but my contribution to the IDL is quite large compared to other people. I got a little bored with captaining and decided to try something new; being a reliable player for seven seasons has earned me the right do that, I think!<br /><br />I very much expected some other guys to step up, and there certainly was a few. But what happens when these captains get bored, like I did, or just don&#039;t feel like doing it anymore? Well, the board reaches into their bag of previous employees and pulls out some old captains. Great! We have a captain! Just not growth or new leadership. People like Shakal won&#039;t always be there to bail the league out when 30 people dick around and won&#039;t step up. I had already franchised when another captain was needed, and I offered to do it, but how is that really helping? Is it possible to not have to rely on the same 8 people?<br /><br />Something I feel like needs to be done is expanding the season to 10-12 weeks. I have always had an issue with a season this short. It&#039;s difficult to have more than one bad week without it starting to change the playoff picture. I don&#039;t think teams have enough games to really gel and get to know how they play. I hope in the future there is also the possibility of having enough leaders and players to expand back to 12 teams.<br /><br />I also spent a lot of time thinking about franchises. I had my own selfish reasons for wanting the limit gotten rid of, but I really think this system needs to be thrown out. It&#039;s not a bad system, but I think its gone as far as it can. Playing with the same people for more than one season, for me, eliminates the type of spontaneity that was present during the earlier seasons. I was always very into building a team from the ground up and going into games with a well crafted beast that had people scratching their heads about what it could do. Part of the fun was playing against teams like this too. I just feel like a certain fun factor has been sucked out of the league. <br /><br />I mean sure, you can franchise someone for a second time and try to build on your success and find a player that better suits your team. But if it doesn&#039;t work out again, you&#039;re shit out of luck because two seasons of work goes down the drain. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1523, 178, 11, 1266802466, 38, 1523, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.41.82', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=HumanBones link=topic=173.msg1522#msg1522 date=1266788031] I was always very into building a team from the ground up and going into games with a well crafted beast that had people scratching their heads about what it could do. Part of the fun was playing against teams like this too. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Makes me think your talking about the teams I captained.&nbsp; :)<br /><br />I to liked that about being a captain. It feels more like a chore now compared to the earlier seasons.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8629, 845, 28, 1362847282, 2303, 8629, 'Re: Odamex damage system compared to ZD', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'With the new co_zdoomweapons flag added:<br /><br />- Overall 69.49 damage (even beats out ZD)<br />- 8 one shot kills<br />- 7 three shot kills<br />- 0 four shot kills<br /><br /><br />It seems much closer to ZD now if that flag is used.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1548, 178, 11, 1267049730, 2, 1548, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.40.134', 1, 1267049895, 'mikefails', '[center][b]SEASON LENGTH[/b][/center]<br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=173.msg1536#msg1536 date=1266955484]I like the concept of&nbsp; short (and more frequent) seasons. The only reason shorter ones make more sense is to preserve the player base. Good teams will have the same awesome games and bad teams won&#039;t have to suffer 4 months of badness followed by 3 months of off season.[/quote]<br /><br />This is something I could see going either way, I would currently like to have longer seasons the way things stand now, because of how much downtime there is from season to season.&nbsp; Whether the answer to that is to run longer seasons, or some sort of miniature program in the offseasons, or simply shorter, more frequent seasons, its up for grabs.&nbsp; What might be sorta fun (or sorta gay) is during the off season to set up a bunch of training exercises that more fully define the maps and spread ideas between players.&nbsp; I mean in a way private ctf already does this, but in another way it doesn&#039;t because its mostly for fun and having fun to me is either winning or playing within your comfort level, whereas a training camp (run by goat of course :D) could go a long way to mix up and expose players to different ideas and techniques.&nbsp; Good idea??<br /><br />[center][b]MAP SELECTION[/b][/center]<br /><br />A lot of maps seem to be hated right away, but then become more well liked after an IDL game is played on them.&nbsp; It is sorta validating to me when I am really in favor of a map like 32in24-4 09, generic gray (idl map14) and it becomes mildly popular as a result of this!&nbsp; I wouldn&#039;t mind one bit community map voting but I could see a few problems coming up.&nbsp; As seen in ZDDL most players just don&#039;t vote for maps!!&nbsp; Whether this is a problem that would continue or would be a non issue is unknown.&nbsp; As Ladna stated before, many players have wildly differing interests and I believe many good maps could be swept aside due to bad first impressions (like the map I mentioned above and will never stop mentioning)&nbsp; It would be extremely nice to have more playtesters to play the maps that do eventually get picked, as this helps Ralphis with the wad and allows us to pinpoint any major issues that might have been missed initially.<br /><br />[center][b]4v4 Format[/b][/center]<br /><br />4v4 would be a LOT of work.&nbsp; While that is not necessarily a bad thing, it seems that it would also be a bit more boring.&nbsp; While it would take a bit of chance out of the game and negate some of the more skilled players slightly, teams would probably be more square and games would be less exciting compared to 3v3.&nbsp; It would probably entail a lot more work for Ladna and much of the current IDL wad would need to be thrown out and all of it would need to be reconsidered as these maps were picked for 3v3 not 4v4.&nbsp; This would take a while at least, but I think would certainly be doable if it was started soon and received consistent attention.&nbsp; <br /><br />[center][b]Forfeits for Uneven Games[/b][/center]<br /><br />I am not sure about this in my mind, it seems to undermine our power play rules as unfair if we take the stance that anything less than 3v3 is stupid.&nbsp; Since the power play penalty can actually create a 3v2 scenario, perhaps this needs to be addressed or changed.<br /><br />[center][b]OTHER[/b][/center]<br /><br />It is nice to see some fresh ideas from metalblack and some others, I hope this continues some more.&nbsp; There is certainly nowhere near the amount of feedback one might expect from the volume of complaints that can be seen and heard around the league and in private ctf, practices, games, etc.&nbsp; One might wonder why these complaints are even addressed at all, since these idea threads always end up being the same 4-5 people trying to make things better while the complainers just complain as much as possible without seeming to want improvement.<br /><br />I like where this thread is going, it has helped me compose some of my thoughts into what I hope is a positive train of thought, maybe it can help some others build upon it.<br /><br />Nostar:&nbsp; I am not sure if what I am doing is complaining or unwanted, it isn&#039;t meant as that but purely as a form of feedback, I know I appreciate everything you and Ladna have done but I cannot speak for everybody.&nbsp; If it is something you dislike or wish to cease hearing just tell me and I will never mention TT again.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1974, 226, 12, 1277395393, 15, 1974, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.88', 1, 0, '', 'No one cares about tennis.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3912, 406, 14, 1302443605, 158, 3912, 'Re: Regular Season Discussion', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '64.56.226.8', 1, 0, '', 'As a wise man once said: I&#039;m the best, no doubt about it!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4543, 483, 16, 1313088496, 213, 4543, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '174.103.4.230', 1, 0, '', 'Josh, you can go to Tools &gt; Preferences, Controls tab, and you can change zoom in/out (under Classic Modes) and Raise/Lower Floor/Ceiling by 8 mp (under Visual Modes) to whatever you want!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1526, 178, 11, 1266815564, 16, 1526, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'Let&#039;s see....<br /><br />First of all, I didn&#039;t appreciate the dick swinging over maps last night. And Fast, you say all that but don&#039;t like Map19? Ok. Moving on.<br /><br />I also think the franchise system kinda compromises the draft; you&#039;re basically saying that if some of the better players, for example, aren&#039;t friends with half the captains in IDL, they&#039;re out of luck.<br /><br />I always see players and say &quot;Hey, you should join IDL next season!&quot; in Skulltag or ZD, and tell them to get on QuakeNet, join #idl, and involve themselves in the community. Quite honestly, two or three I&#039;ve seen MIGHT join (and I only say that cause they hang out in #idl now), but I don&#039;t know if people are really interested in joining IDL or not. <br /><br />I also wonder if people on the outside are thinking &quot;Well if I&#039;m not one of the top 24 looking to be drafted, is there really a point in it for me in even looking to sign up for IDL?&quot;. This community craps on players for not doing well like New York craps on the Yankees or Jets if they screw up. Look at Nero. One bad trade and the IDL committee told him to GTFO. I dunno, if possible, expanding back to 12 teams may be needed. <br /><br />And Nostar, go fuck yourself. : p', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1527, 178, 11, 1266816302, 10, 1527, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', 'I just want to address something that has come up multiple times in this thread regarding Nero.<br /><br />For the record, Nero was never told to &quot;GTFO&quot; by the IDL board or myself. Even though some people certainly did not want him to captain again, he had full rights to do so (the rules specify two playoff-less seasons to lose captain spot). When I asked him if he would be captaining again for the winter season, he said no.<br /><br />The captain position was not taken from Nero, he gave it up.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1529, 178, 11, 1266826953, 15, 1529, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'Like Tai said, if you don&#039;t have friends in this league and try to captain, chances are you&#039;ll end up like Nero.&nbsp; Have a bad season and have everyone take a shit on you.&nbsp; Sure I was probably one of them, but I wasn&#039;t looking at it at this perspective then.&nbsp; Being a captain is a lot of pressure, and I give credit to those who do it.&nbsp; But as far as making new people captains, people tend to be a tad too harsh on the newcomers.&nbsp; <br /><br />I think for next season I would sign up for a captain role.&nbsp; Just as long as I don&#039;t end up with the team BBC&nbsp; :P', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1540, 178, 11, 1267029153, 49, 1540, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=173.msg1511#msg1511 date=1266689477]Ladna has found this out firsthand, I have been a pretty big advocate for IDL and a relatively active supporter of the league with both my time and money. And what, I get criticized for things I&#039;m contributing, Ralph is criticized for trying to make the IDL more competitive with less teams and franchising, Ladna is criticized for putting up an awesome stats interface and site because...it requires all IDL servers use his software. In the IDL leadership equals criticism and hassle with marginal payoff if any. I don&#039;t really like any of you enough to suffer that for another season.[/quote]<br /><br />Doing something productive for the community results in you getting shit on, no matter how much blood sweat tears or green you put into it. It&#039;s something I&#039;ve learned a long time ago, and it&#039;s something you learn to deal with. The few supporters you do have make it worth while, though.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1546, 178, 11, 1267039785, 130, 1546, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1267039975, 'nostar', '[quote author=Killingblair link=topic=173.msg1540#msg1540 date=1267029153]<br />Doing something productive for the community results in you getting shit on, no matter how much blood sweat tears or green you put into it. It&#039;s something I&#039;ve learned a long time ago, and it&#039;s something you learn to deal with. The few supporters you do have make it worth while, though.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I suppose you learn to deal with it [b]OR [/b]you stop contributing. I have found that by in large people stop doing thing that get them shit on (repeatedly). Especially when there is virtually no gain. <br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=173.msg1544#msg1544 date=1267036439]<br />I guess my point is that I do this stuff because it supports things that I like, and if I didn&#039;t do this, IDL at some point would have been screwed.&nbsp; So yeah, I think IDL owes me, Nostar and JKist a big thank you.<br /><br />...<br /><br />So what this all boils down to is that I don&#039;t think that we want to be thanked and worshiped and all that.&nbsp; But on the other hand we don&#039;t owe you guys anything either.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Anyone looking to this community for thanks is probably mentally handicapped. My problem is that we can&#039;t even hit zero. The overwhelming majority of the feedback isn&#039;t a lack of thanks but a wealth of criticism and ungrateful nonsense. I just want people to shut up about something that is provided, maintained and even upgraded from time to time for their benefit. Granted it&#039;s not the best for everyone, [u]nothing ever is[/u]. I guess I&#039;m trying to teach a life lesson when I should just not care. If you trash something long enough it will disappear. Maybe that was the end goal all along, idk.<br /><br />Anyway I like that community voting is taking off. Woo thread!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1545, 178, 11, 1267039331, 10, 1546, 'Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 1267040372, 'Ralphis', '[center][b]SEASON LENGTH[/b][/center]<br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=173.msg1536#msg1536 date=1266955484]I like the concept of&nbsp; short (and more frequent) seasons. The only reason shorter ones make more sense is to preserve the player base. Good teams will have the same awesome games and bad teams won&#039;t have to suffer 4 months of badness followed by 3 months of off season.[/quote]<br /><br />The IDL season goes 9 weeks. This regular season, when finished, will have gone two months and three days. The entire season, through the final Sunday a game can be played, runs 2 months and 24 days long. To me, this doesn&#039;t seem very long at all. Even then, some people want the season LONGER than it is now because they feel each game played is too important.<br /><br />[center][b]MAP SELECTION[/b][/center]<br /><br />I also feel that while map voting sounds great to some, is it always fair for the majority to be able to only have their preference answered? Some people prefer maps that are &quot;super offensive&quot;, &quot;grind&quot;, &quot;trick&quot;, or whatever. <br /><br />A lot of these maps don&#039;t fit into the popular map types, but is it better for mostly everyone to get an opportunity to play different types of maps that play to different strengths or to only play the types of maps that play to their own? Do we want to go back to 01/04/08 all the time?<br /><br />Despite all the criticisms that the IDL board and myself receive, our map selection process is a long, arduous one that results in a schedule that offers a mixture of map styles that cater to different parts of the player base.<br /><br />[center][b]4v4 Format[/b][/center]<br /><br />As far as 4v4, I feel as though the IDL is essentially designed for 3v3. While 4v4 sounds like a fun idea, think about some of the scheduling problems that we currently have. It&#039;s hard enough for the league and captains to schedule a 3v3 game each week, so how much harder is it going to be if we move to 4v4? How many forfeits would we see? I would venture a guess that it will be significantly more than we&#039;ve had under 3v3.<br /><br />[center][b]Forfeits for Uneven Games[/b][/center]<br /><br />Totally in favor.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6306, 617, 20, 1330329476, 214, 6306, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '70.241.28.89', 1, 0, '', 'Interesting. Maybe you guys should try that out with ralph&#039;s original idl2012 wad.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(6620, 642, 17, 1333352435, 11, 6620, 'Re: Hatred won a masterbowl', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '76.198.243.27', 1, 0, '', '^ I was on the losing end but I certainly agree with Saber.<br /><br /><br />Also congrats to Hatred for winning the title.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(7069, 684, 22, 1340226821, 19, 7069, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.227.220', 1, 0, '', '[quote]ItalianStallion[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=684.msg7068#msg7068 date=1340226624]<br />Can&#039;t wait to get into the grind with my boy saber. <br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=684.msg7068#msg7068 date=1340226624]<br />b0yz 4 lyfe<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/I0kID.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1786, 207, 26, 1273422090, 10, 1786, 'Franchise Era discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'The following is based on a post made by me on December 11th, 2009 [url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=147.msg1214#msg1214]located here[/url]. Recently, mikehail and I began talking about the final franchise season and whether or not it brought parity to the league. I compiled some numbers based on the requirements I listed in this post previously and added some new numbers for W2010.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=147.msg1211#msg1211 date=1260342625]Personally I feel the franchise system has been bad for the IDL and leads to more unbalanced teams than other systems would...The league needs to remain interesting and balanced, the goal should be each team hitting .500 win percentage.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The Theory[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />If we look at evidence from all of the past seasons, and give leeway to teams to be within one win + a tie of a winning season (.500), we&#039;ll find that the new system has basically been on par with all IDL seasons before hand.<br /><br />The lower end of the pct spectrum here is 2-5-1 (.313) and the higher end at 5-2-1 (.688).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The Numbers[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />[center][b]Winter 2010[/b]<br />[color=green]SUC - 7-1-0 (.875)[/color]<br />SPE - 5-2-1 (.688)<br />FLS - 5-3-0 (.625)<br />KGB - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />BBC - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />BSK - 2-4-2 (.375)<br />DMR - 2-5-1 (.313)<br />[color=red]EBL - 2-6-0 (.250)[/color]<br /><br />In the final season of franchising you&#039;ll find that 6/8 teams fell into the this middle ground. 75% of the league had parity while there was one elite team (13%) and one below average teams (13%). [b]This was the closest the IDL has ever come to parity in its entire existence.[/b] However, there is some commentary on this at the bottom of the post.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Summer 2009[/b]<br />[color=green]SUC - 8-0-0 (1.000)<br />BSK - 6-2-0 (.750)[/color]<br />EBL - 5-3-0 (.625)<br />KGB - 4-4-0 (.500)<br />BBC - 4-4-0 (.500)<br />DMR - 3-5-0 (.375)<br />[color=red]SPE - 1-7-0 (.125)<br />FLS - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />In the S2009 season, you&#039;ll find that 4/8 teams fell into the this middle ground. 50% of the league had parity while there were two elite teams (25%) and two below average teams (25%). <br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Winter 2009[/b]<br />[color=green]SUC - 6-0-2 (.875)<br />DMR - 5-1-2 (.750)[/color]<br />BSK - 5-2-1 (.688)<br />FLS - 5-2-1 (.688)<br />BBC - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />[color=red]KGB - 1-5-2 (.250)<br />EBL - 1-6-1 (.188)<br />SPE - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />The first season to implement the franchise system. You&#039;ll find that 3/8 teams fell into the middle ground. 38% of the league had parity while there were two elite teams (25%) and three below average teams (38%).<br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Summer 2008[/b]<br />[color=green]WAD - 7-1-0 (.875)<br />RNB - 6-1-1 (.813)<br />CTB - 6-2-0 (.750)[/color]<br />DPT - 5-3-0 (.625)<br />TCM - 4-3-1 (.563)<br />MAD - 3-2-3 (.563)<br />FFF - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />CRK - 3-4-1 (.438)<br />CUP - 2-5-1 (.313)<br />[color=red]LON - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />HWB - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />BBS - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />The summer prior to, you&#039;ll find that 6/12 teams fell into the middle ground. 50% of the league had parity while there were three elite teams (25%) and three below average teams (25%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Winter 2008[/b]<br />[color=green]PAK - 8-0-0 (1.000)<br />TBA - 6-1-1 (.813)[/color]<br />SOB - 5-2-1 (.688)<br />TXT - 5-3-0 (.625)<br />FLS - 4-3-1 (.563)<br />EFL - 4-3-1 (.563)<br />DSP - 4-4-0 (.500)<br />VGR - 3-5-0 (.375)<br />[color=red]N2O - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />TNT - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />SOM - 2-6-0 (.250)<br />MXC - 1-7-0 (.125)[/color][/center]<br /><br />In the third season, you&#039;ll find that 6/12 teams fell into the middle ground. This was the beginning of the current eight game season. 50% of the league had parity while there were two elite teams (17%) and four below average teams (33%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Summer 2007[/b]<br />[color=green]DCL - 8-2-0 (.800)<br />TSF - 8-2-0 (.800)<br />BTK - 7-2-1 (.750)[/color]<br />PEN - 6-3-1 (.650)<br />BBM - 6-4-0 (.600)<br />CMS - 5-4-1 (.550)<br />SXP - 5-4-1 (.550)<br />KNF - 5-4-1 (.550)<br />TDS - 2-5-3 (.350)<br />[color=red]DNO - 2-7-1 (.250)<br />BSX - 1-8-1 (.150)<br />SNX - 0-10-0 (.000)[/color][/center]<br /><br />Three summers ago, you&#039;ll find that 6/12 teams fell into the middle ground. This was the longest regular season in league history, with ten regular season games. 50% of the league had parity while there were three elite teams (25%) and three below average teams (25%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][b]Winter 2007[/b]<br />[color=green]TDC - 5-2-0 (.714)<br />T3A - 5-2-0 (.714)<br />BSK - 5-2-0 (.714)[/color]<br />SHQ - 4-2-1 (.643)<br />SXG - 4-3-0 (.571)<br />[color=red]STP - 2-5-0 (.286)<br />SPE - 1-5-1 (.214)<br />TTT - 1-6-0 (.143)[/color][/center]<br /><br />The first season. Only seven regular season games. It was pretty bad and everything basically changed the season immediately following, but just for shits and giggles, you&#039;ll find that 2/8 teams fell into the middle ground. 25% of the league had parity while there were three elite teams (38%) and three below average teams (38%).<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The [u]Original[/u] Summation[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />Though there are some fluctuations, you&#039;ll find that generally the league tends to pan out as such:<br />[list]<br />[li][color=green]25% of the league generally tends to be at least 2 games over .500.[/color][/li]<br />[li]50% of the league generally tends to fall within a game and a half of a .500 record.[/li]<br />[li][color=red]25% of the league generally tends to be at least 2 games under .500.[/color][/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />These statistics indicate that the statement that the current franchise system &quot;leads to more unbalanced teams than other systems would&quot; is, so far, unfounded. At least, this is the case when compared against the other two systems the IDL has utilized since its conception in 2006.<br /><br />Can the league do more to attempt to move towards every team having a .500 record? Presumably, and this is always our goal. However, realistically, there will always be teams which fall short and teams which are elite regardless of how you set up your player distribution system.<br /><br />These records don&#039;t take into account special situations such as captains or main roster members bailing on their teams, 3v2, forfeits, or other unusual events.<br /><br />However, one familiar with history can look at these records and conclude that most (read: not all) teams that fell into the lower echelon of teams in IDL&#039;s run had captains who either did not care or those which gave up after a string of losses early in the season.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]The [u]Original[/u] Reality[/b][/size][/center]<br /><br />In my opinion, the IDL&#039;s best cure for balancing the league out is to be able to field the best captains possible who are willing to stick with their team, be creative, and do what it takes to create output on the field. History has shown that you don&#039;t need to be an elite player or to even have players which might be deemed the most elite on your team to be successful.<br /><br />The IDL needs strong leaders in its captains to create the most balanced league. The system in which players are drafted has shown to be secondary.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[center][size=5][b]New Post-Franchise Commentary[/size][/center]<br /><br />Though the Winter 2010 season was the most balanced season in the history of the IDL, there seems to be a correlation between the best captains and how they affect the league. In my original &quot;reality&quot;, my recommendation to bring parity to the league was the find the top captains available for the league. Of course, this was basically impossible. Instead, something else happened during the Winter 2010 season...<br /><br />The two best captains that led teams throughout 2009, Humanbones and Nostar, had stepped down as captains. Though they continued to play, their absence from leading teams may or may not have leveled the playing field for the remaining captains. According to [url=http://ralphis.unidoom.org/stuff/idl/records.htm]information I&#039;ve compiled here[/url], Nostar, Humanbones, and myself have posted the best records for captains with a minimum of 16 games. With Nostar and Bones gone, that only left me for the Winter 2010 season and my team was the only one in the statistical upper echelon.<br /><br />When the two best captains of the franchise era stepped down from their teams, the league was met with overwhelming statistical parity. What this may show is that the best captains aren&#039;t needed as much as captains that all are of comparable skill.<br /><br />In a way, the statement that &quot;the league is only as good as its captains&quot; is correct. However, the league may only be as good as its captains are of similar skill.<br /><br />Does this make sense?', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1549, 176, 11, 1267050017, 7, 1549, 'Re: Missing Demos', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.69', 1, 0, '', 'Uh yeah I think there&#039;s a bug in the &#039;stats from demo&#039; system where a team switch == a team join and thinks you joined the game.&nbsp; Don&#039;t worry about that one either.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(9483, 967, 1, 1387300858, 216, 9483, 'Re: Take on me', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.83.110', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m pretty sure this is the basis of all that happens in zandronum', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1825, 212, 1, 1274192218, 167, 1825, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'mandolore', 'doom.candy@yahoo.com', '67.161.14.43', 1, 0, '', 'heh. Man legion fappin your mouth again. I say some time around near the beginning of June. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1550, 178, 11, 1267051641, 7, 1550, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.69', 1, 0, '', '[b]Map Selection[/b]<br /><br />Ralphis &amp; Mike make good points, a lot of people groan about maps in the beginning, but they end up becoming staples after teams are forced to learn them ;) .&nbsp; Then again there have been some maps that blew up and down (That RJ-glitch map w/ the Sphere in the middle IMO).&nbsp; Maybe part of IDL is getting out of your comfort zone: learning a new position, learning a new map, playing with new players, etc.&nbsp; It&#039;s also important to cater to the general strengths of the league -- some players are great trick runners, some players can go on Killing Sprees on every run, etc. etc.&nbsp; Tilting the league too far one way can make a team look a lot stronger than they actually are, and cause a lame Masterbowl game (Season 4 comes to mind, where DPT made it to the MB despite having not-the-best defense... because MAP24 is impossible to score on).&nbsp; We could do a ZDDL-type system where players vote on 5 maps and the administration comes up with 4 maps and the MB map (or vice-versa) -- it&#039;s kind of nice that there&#039;s 9 Regular Season Weeks + 1 Masterbowl Week, so things can be evenly divided at least.<br /><br />[b]4v4[/b]<br /><br />Changing to 4v4 is a huge step, and honestly probably one that won&#039;t happen.&nbsp; It&#039;s much easier to just add teams, and while that doesn&#039;t solve the &quot;some players are just way better than the rest of us&quot; problem, it does allow new players and potential captains a chance to show and improve their skills.&nbsp; I know that there will still be a couple dominant teams, but what season has that not happened?<br /><br />Fastidious likes to say that the best IDL season is one where all teams are at .500.&nbsp; I guess after all is said and done I still think that, but it&#039;s more of an ideal than a goal.&nbsp; I think the goal should be fun, competitive seasons and avoiding failing teams is more important than cutting dominant teams down to size.&nbsp; Maybe what I mean is that &quot;the best IDL season is one where teams are between .300 and .700&quot;.<br /><br />[b]Private CTF[/b]<br /><br />Something that no one&#039;s mentioned yet is the Private CTF system.&nbsp; Like it or not, it&#039;s a crucial part of the IDL experience, as it&#039;s where players hone and display their skills, and where (potential) captains look for player combinations and attributes that might lead to success for their teams.&nbsp; On the other hand it&#039;s still a place where players can be free from novices and faggoty behavior, so it&#039;s hard to introduce new players into PCTF without everyone (myself included) taking a shit in their mouths.&nbsp; Mike talked about some kind of training camp or something, maybe we could turn this into like a rookie league.&nbsp; Captains each &quot;franchise&quot; a rookie and draft another rookie (rookie can be a player like Legion, who&#039;s played in IDL but is still relatively new) and they play round-robin matches.&nbsp; Or maybe we can revive the clan scene between seasons.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know what the best solution is or even if there is one, but I do know there&#039;s lots of ZD players that don&#039;t even know about IDL, and when they find out we look like faggots and cheaters to them so they avoid us.&nbsp; Part of this is that we&#039;re incredibly good at this game, but part of it is also that we&#039;re big faggots.&nbsp; Suggestions welcome :D .<br /><br />Also rofl real talk.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2002, 228, 12, 1278200737, 3, 2002, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'I remembered to screenshot this week, so here they are:<br /><br />[URL=http://img249.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100703155115.png/][IMG]http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/5991/ctf20100703155115.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />[URL=http://img580.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100703155502.png/][IMG]http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/8473/ctf20100703155502.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />GGs, thought we weren&#039;t gonna make it first half of round 1.<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1852, 218, 12, 1274485185, 75, 1872, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.159', 1, 1274710700, 'dew', '[b]* Xenaero - Ebola[/b]<br /><br />xen drafts whitey. period. he can use him as second def, mid, o... he can put him in all spots at once and go play tetris instead.<br /><br />the real issue for xen is.. what if he wants to play puzzle bobble while whitney is winning this season by himself? he needs a partner and all the tastiest morsels will be picked off the buffet by the time he gets to pick his 2nd and 3rd. if my alcoholically precise calculations are correct, the best choices available for pick 16/17 should be collision, beast or rexnor.<br /><br />Fact - [i]xen drafts whiteboy.[/i]<br />Other options - be dumb and pick someone else, perhaps move to north korea as a statement.<br /><br />[b]* Goatface - Digital Management Rights[/b]<br /><br />mike might be one of the hottest items in the player pool, but def simply needs to go first. goat can pick whoever he feels comfortable with. if he wants an offensive team with a defender that can support sudden attack pushes, stall seems perfect (but nostar would probably ban goat from tt for picking him so soon). if he feels like playing a lot of creative mid, he should go for a turret of death like blair or josh. let&#039;s assume the stall scenario, then he wants to stuff the front line with some brainless grinders that will push forward in zombie runs and goat can support and nurture them like little bonsai tanks. i&#039;m not sure what will be available.. rex? mandolore? speculative.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]goat drafts stall.[/i]<br />Other options - josh or blair or any decent def out there. play it safe.<br /><br />[b]* Tai - Komitet[/b]<br /><br />ok, tai&#039;s last season wasn&#039;t exactly a first sex type failure, but there was a lot of unfulfilled potential (like your last sex) considering kgb hoarded perhaps the strongest attackers in the league. i think tai should try the exact opposite, [b]ignore mike[/b] and pick one of the turret defenders- blair, rott.. strangle is getting there too. then tai can steamroll as he drifts through the maps, or even spearhead the attacks. he just needs a complementary smartass runner. i&#039;d say go for gyross, but he might be long gone by that time. nero, me, one of the returning oldschoolers... legion seems resourceful too, but also chatty and unfocused. <br /><br />Prediction - [i]tai drafts blair.[/i]<br />Other options - other aim based defenders. experiment in offence, not defence.<br /><br />[b]* Jenova - Berserk Pushers[/b]<br /><br />i am deeply in love with brutal uncompromising 2o attack, but despite all my secret jen/miek furry fanfics, i&#039;m afraid jen should choose a strong def first if he wants to go far. blair, rott, strangle, josh, ... whoever of them is still available. bsk should still have a strong 2nd choice and it&#039;d be very cool if jen picked another runner.. perhaps climhazzard or nero. i&#039;d understand if he goes for a mid though (like mid if he&#039;s still there). jen&#039;s 4th pick is difficult to predict, but let&#039;s say he wants to get a sub for the middle post. acolyte? or roscoe? perhaps kalfoxis?<br /><br />Prediction - [i]jen drafts rott or strangle.[/i]<br />Other options - first choose a mid instead (hatred, mid, ladna) and either shine or bomb.<br /><br />[b]* Nostar - That British TV Channel[/b]<br /><br />the first captain that shouldn&#039;t worry about strenghtening def. logic says go with the strongest attacker available. mike or rus fits that in my scenario. this still gives nostar a strong pick for a mid in round2 (ladna, mid, mantis), but... we&#039;re talking about fucking nostar here. he might wreck your puny dreams about doom ctf being fair and flag based. he might draft a monster fragger (hatred? rus?), put him in front of the base and hope for an able sneaky runner to win every match with 1-0 scores. he&#039;s evil and he will do everything to make you suffer. [i]he will edit your posts if you, by chance, predict his strategy.[/i]<br /><br />Prediction - [i]nostar drafts mike. or hatred. it&#039;s hard to read from satan&#039;s soul.[/i]<br />Other options - ladna or gyross or rus or mantis or saber... fuck, do you see how he still holds so many trumphs?<br /><br />[b]* LordBritish - FuLosers[/b]<br />lb wants to run flags, but his position in the draft might complicate his naive dreams. his first pick is extremely dependant on &#039;what is left&#039;, josh would be a best case scenario. a line up like lb-strangle-mid could happen easily, but that stirs bad memories, doesn&#039;t it? he could take hatred and add a good mid in round2, but he also might need to forget about flagging and pick another fine runner (saber, mantis), then concentrate his team on the offensive. he might need to bend over and play the responsible guy that runs around and does everything to make things work out. welcome to my world, bitch, you will have to carry your team! i had to scheme and def and multipurpose etc etc and generally prove my worth as a cap in ecdl#1, i can feel you&#039;ll taste the same. the 4th pick is pretty far, so an overlooked attacker that lb can support and carry could be a good substitute (mando, legion, dreever, souler, etc.)<br /><br />Prediction - [i]lb drafts josh.[/i]<br />Other options - get saber or ladna or w/e and play a smartass tactical team. get better and carry your team like whiteboy v2.0.<br /><br />[b]* Shadow Ghost - The SPEcials[/b]<br /><br />Shadow_Ghost: kinda like how the fat kid plays goalie<br />Shadow_Ghost: which in a sense<br />Shadow_Ghost: is me playing d<br /><br />denny knows what he&#039;s doing. he will pick mantits to flagru-.. uhh, flagwalk. and fatna to be fat in the middle. the 4th pick comes very late so that player might struggle to carry his own weight, but denny is kind his players will take turns at crushing benches. such a team should be very stable. i mean, you could almost see a theme here... if there wasn&#039;t so many fat people standing in the way.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]shadow ghost picks mantis-x.[/i]<br />Other options - perhaps midian and gyrossman or saber, but chances of that are slim.<br /><br />[b]* Ralphis - Suckers[/b]<br /><br />ralph can substitute at any position, but grinding flags is his true calling. you can see how impatient and fickle he gets whenever he has to wait for his opponent&#039;s move, he [i]needs[/i] to feel he&#039;s the one pacing the game. SUC can afford both 1d1m1o and 1d2o so ralph can pick his whole team as he sees fit. strangle+gyross or mid or saber or rus or simply anyone who has enough smarts to support and play around ralph and not compete with him/get in his way. that means avoiding other selfish primary runners like mike or nero. for the 4th pick i&#039;d love to see kilemall or roscoe so ralph can carry them to next level.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]ralhis picks strangle and saber.[/i]<br />Other options - uhhh... too many to list.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1878, 218, 12, 1274736992, 2, 1878, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'Just so we&#039;re clear on things, I&#039;m just gonna put this out there and let all captains know.&nbsp; I&#039;m not very well at running 3v3.&nbsp; I crack under pressure.&nbsp; I can get it done in priv because I have people to spawnfrag for me and support me.&nbsp; Look at last season, Devastatio[u][i][b]N[/b][/i][/u]/Oath was our O [and did a hell of a job!].&nbsp; I could do it, I wouldn&#039;t mind.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t think that I should be before other players for my offensive skills.&nbsp; I just run by people.&nbsp; :P', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2033, 232, 12, 1278716462, 16, 2033, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.58.204.78', 1, 0, '', ' ::)<br /><br />Really? <br /><br />I thought Shadow didn&#039;t show up for matches cause his boss continued to call him into work for the time of his match, despite his efforts to reschedule. Maybe he had similar problems last season, but I can&#039;t remember. It&#039;s hard to be dedicated to a game like that when your schedule is allegedly clogged. <br /><br />You called BSK and FLS overrated. BSK just beat SUC as you saw, and FLS...really? They&#039;re not good now WHY?<br /><br />Xen benched White in Week 1. Then Goatfail handed him Hatred on a platter, and now Nero wants to ragequit. Ending franchising caused THAT?! <br /><br />Practices? I think KGB has managed to get practice with every team in the league. What&#039;s this &quot;lack of leeway&quot; you speak of? I&#039;m starting to wonder if you really believe what you&#039;re saying. <br /><br />Ok, this is where you get the chance to say your whole post was a joke. : ) ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2043, 232, 12, 1278775909, 15, 2046, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.88', 1, 1278798653, 'ItalianStallion', 'slick', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2050, 232, 12, 1278803877, 89, 2050, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.242.0.69', 1, 1278804010, 'Solar_Flare', 'I guess I can post some stuff or something.<br /><br />Thinking back about last season and how Xen picked me out from Free Agency after thinking I wasn&#039;t going to be on a team that season was a spirit lifter. Being on EBL had it&#039;s challenges and everything and I do always remember being excited about playing, either if it was against a super power team or one that looked as average. It was still fun to see how well we would do collectively even when we lost most of the games. I still gave it my all back on that season and I remember how losing pushed me to want to win and even now, I still go into the games pretty excited and maybe a tad bit nervous because it&#039;s the actual game time. But I probably would not have this spot either if franchising were around, I mean who would want to pick [b]ME[/b]? So I think that other new players should also have a chance to experience IDL&#039;s competitiveness, I&#039;m sure players like Souler and OurHero are pretty happy to be nabbed into a team this season and can actually get some experiences too, but again if franchising were here they also, probably would not have had a chance either. Being taken in by Tai was unexpected(but then again being taken in by anyone would be unexpected because I figured I wasn&#039;t going to be picked again) and I wondered how I would play with Him, Blair and X-Ray, even though me and X-Ray have experience playing together and I was sure we would do fine together, I figured it would be interesting to see how this season ends with this team. Then after Blair get&#039;s traded with Josh and I now have experience playing with Josh through priv and I am pretty comfortable with the whole team on every level after playing games with them. I generally think I would get along with a lot of people because I am not picky with who I am on a team with, whether it would be Nostar or Legion as my cap I would still give it my all during practice and gametime. If franchising were here I probably would not even be playing this season. So I guess in short if newer players wanted to play and experience IDL, franchising would potentially ruin their chance of doing so. It is fun to talk and work together with people on a team and win some and lose some.<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2122, 238, 12, 1279513934, 10, 2138, 'S2010 Homefield Map Selection', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1280115371, 'Ralphis', 'It&#039;s map selection time. Teams select in reverse order of the first round of the pre-season draft. Any map from the IDL wad may be selected, only by one team, with the exception of this season&#039;s MasterBowl map (Map03).<br /><br />Map selections will be posted as they are made.<br /><br />[hr]<br />1. Super Chargers - MAP12 (32IN24-4 MAP13)<br />2. Spread Eagles - MAP01 (ZDCTF MAP01)<br />3. Flag Steelers - MAP26 (ZDCTF MAP26)<br />4. Brokeback Cowboys - MAP17 (32IN24-4 MAP17)<br />5. Berserker Packers - MAP22 (32IN24-4 MAP22)<br />6. Killing Browns - MAP14 (32IN24-4 MAP09)<br />7. Doom Raiders - MAP10 (ODACTF1 MAP01)<br />8. Electric Bills - MAP20 (ZDECTF2-01 MAP01)<br />[hr]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2153, 242, 1, 1280902367, 19, 2153, 'Re: Remembering ex-IDL players', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 1280902590, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=242.msg2152#msg2152 date=1280791313]<br />dd_133<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/030810/1280902520.jpg[/img]<br /><br />what<br /><br />how much did Chain pay you to post that, Fast', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2171, 245, 1, 1281156102, 28, 2171, 'Re: Ralphis responds to a jabroni', 'kandy_kid', 'matt.dauber@gmail.com', '174.56.21.121', 1, 0, '', 'its funny to see that things havent changed. Zdaemon admins spouting off bs and the real players backing it up and making them look like complete idiots. Its why I have been part of the &quot;underground&quot; and its why i will always be part of it.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(5322, 528, 17, 1321036083, 19, 5322, 'Re: Should people who don''t play in the IDL have a say in the IDL?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.180.25', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=MassVC link=topic=528.msg5320#msg5320 date=1321034623]<br /> I will blow right past your strawman and say that my intention isn&#039;t to deflate your huge inflatable ego and trash your decade of prestigious DOOM endeavors.&nbsp; I think you&#039;re just as brilliant and sensitive as you do...<br /><br />My point is that there just is no logic as to whether Map09 should be included in the wad.&nbsp; All of your brains and experience have nothing to do with it.&nbsp; It&#039;s a brute matter of opinion, and nobody&#039;s opinion carries more weight than anybody else&#039;s, not even yours or Hatred&#039;s, except that Hatred is going to be affected by the outcome of the decision, and you are not.<br /><br />And any faux-reasoning to the tune of, &quot;Map31 shouldn&#039;t be included in the wad because it gives Tai a free ticket to the MB,&quot; or even, &quot;Map31 shouldn&#039;t be included in the wad because it is a stupid grind and it&#039;s stupid,&quot; whether it come from players or PWAPITS, should be trumped with the fact that most players like Map31 and want it in the wad (or, counterfactually, that they don&#039;t and it shouldn&#039;t).&nbsp; In fact, the faux-reasoning here is what seems Jafarish to me.<br /><br />Now let me turn right around and say that I only mean this for issues which are purely matters of opinion, like team-naming or map-inclusion.&nbsp; In a video-game league, pretty much all issues are like this because the only goal is to have fun, and most people know what will be fun for them.&nbsp; It is possible, however, that some issues (such as the draft?) involve more logic and reasoning, where skills like yours and mine can start to come into play.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s valid reasoning! I would like to state that for matters of pure opinion, like team names, the poll method is a great idea to give weighted value in actual board votes where the outcome is decided FOR REALZ. It gives a look at what a large sample size of people think/want and it can and should factor into board votes on matters that don&#039;t affect important parts of the game, such as maps or draft changes, etc.<br /><br />I want to say about maps though...That for maps like map14 and map31, you can draw correlations between the two and see that they are similar in structure and flow in that they end up being pretty grindy. My method of voting for maps was to introduce maps that gave new structures and flows, if that makes any sense. Obviously this is just the way I would go about doing it, but the popularity of maps comes into factor too. And I&#039;m sure everyone votes differently, or would vote differently.<br /><br />It&#039;s true that those decisions in particular do not affect me so much as it does the players who will be playing, but when it comes down to it, I picture myself playing these maps, and even voted for ones (new and old) I do not in particular like, [i]because[/i] they presented something unique or new to the map pack used by the IDL, and introduces variety, which will test players of all skill levels. Both of those faux-reasoning examples are exactly the kind of thing I hoped everyone avoided when voting for maps.<br /><br />I support polls for the masses (introducing weighted opinion in board voting) and as unbiased voting amongst board members as can be achieved, so in essence I don&#039;t think anyone&#039;s opinion is discarded, as the league is open to everyone, not just 5 people.<br /><br />For issues like team names, with the poll being so close to being split down the middle, I imagine that with my method of voting, it will carry little weight in how I will vote for team names. Like anything else, it just comes down to an opinion.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1787, 207, 26, 1273515098, 20, 1787, 'Re: Franchise Era discussion', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.83.25', 1, 0, '', 'One thing though is the franchise era came around the exact same time we switched from 12 teams to 8 teams so it is a tough comparison either way since we never saw how franchising would work with 12 teams involved. <br /><br />That said, we&#039;ve also never seen the &quot;non franchise&quot; era in our the 8 team system either so should be interesting&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1551, 178, 11, 1267052021, 130, 1551, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=178.msg1548#msg1548 date=1267049730]<br />Nostar:&nbsp; I am not sure if what I am doing is complaining or unwanted, it isn&#039;t meant as that but purely as a form of feedback, I know I appreciate everything you and Ladna have done but I cannot speak for everybody.&nbsp; If it is something you dislike or wish to cease hearing just tell me and I will never mention TT again.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t really include you when I talk about people shitting on TT because it&#039;s the best server for you. Also you&#039;re not really a complainer so much as an insurgent. In general I don&#039;t mind people being like &quot;TT feels lossy today&quot;. I start to wonder when people say things like &quot;why do you pay for such shitty servers&quot; or &quot;God Nostar this is a fucking terrible server.&quot; or &quot;Wow TT is living up to it&#039;s name&quot;. These things are unnecessary and reflect poorly on the character of those people who say them. Yeah it&#039;s you Stall.<br /><br />For the record though, I personally don&#039;t care how much anyone likes or dislikes TT. It&#039;s okay for me, not great, not awful. Really I was just pointing out how many people shit on TT even though it&#039;s the one consistent server set that has supported IDL the past 3 seasons, hosts new wads, and is free to all of you. I personally didn&#039;t care for DoomedEarth because I had bad packetloss (and I was on Qwest DSL urg), but I&#039;m not a fagot and didn&#039;t call Chain names and berate his efforts.<br /><br />One thing that I want to point out, because I get a lot of &quot;well I do fine on every other server except totaltrash&quot; is that you only play competitive ctf games on TT. TT hosts the only competitive ctf league, so shots missed are actually noticed! When I miss shots in public I don&#039;t even think twice. When I&#039;m playing in Europe I actually build in a miss or two into my defensive prediction. It&#039;s part of being a good player. <br /><br />However, if by some numerical phenomenon the path between TT and you has a router or switch that is fucking up on their side, by all means copy your trace and give it to me. I&#039;m happy to tell you if it&#039;s on our end or yours. If it&#039;s a router that isn&#039;t owned by your ISP I&#039;ll email them and make them fix it. Tier 1 providers are quite serious when it comes to malfunctioning hardware.<br /><br />This is probably me being overly sensitive but I feel like it&#039;s also a lot of you being ungrateful and ungracious fagots too.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1740, 199, 12, 1271909610, 157, 1740, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.121.108.244', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Legion_<br />Livin in Texas<br />email? theomegaantin00b@gmail.com<br />No IM, contact through irc<br />Availability: During the summer, I&#039;ll be available lots', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1826, 212, 1, 1274197590, 19, 1826, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'May 28th.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1927, 222, 12, 1276348983, 3, 1927, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'GGs, thanks for stepping up Beast, I&#039;ll take the fall for the loss as I was the D and clearly supposed to/able to play but too irresponsible. I don&#039;t know if we&#039;re already playing again next week but if we are, the mini redemption for my own carelessness.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1853, 218, 12, 1274492764, 22, 1853, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '69.156.28.188', 1, 1274494323, 'Shadow_Ghost', '[b]* Xenaero - Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />DEEDEETEEGUNNERO had a horrible last season with EBL, a lot of people thought that team would fail, but I believed that if he didn&#039;t get jewed (Coll bitching out and mid being... interesting to work with) that team had the potential to do pretty well. That being said, Xen needs a runner, mike comes to mind here but theres one problem, and his name is Whiteboy567. He will not be picked passed the 1st pick. Xenaero is a solid defender, but i&#039;d imagine he can be used well as a mid player, he can be creative and he makes big shots. Maybe in the second and third rounds xen can look at competent runners such as: Dewww, Nero, Climhazzard, WraithVerge, mandolore, Malignity, Beast or Ladna(if he&#039;s still there)<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Xen drafts Whiteboy567[/i]<br />Other options - mikehail, Mantis-X or Joshsmith.<br /><br />[b]* Goatface* - Doom Raiders[/b]<br /><br />Goatface is an excellent player, and although he didn&#039;t play as much as he probably would&#039;ve liked to on SPE last season, he was a big part of the team, often urging them to practice and providing with great ideas. Goatface is a competent runner, he can be very crafty, and he can play mid pretty good despite his ping (shot at mike). Goatface imo is best suited to get a strong defender with his high pick, ItalianStallion comes to mind, Stall has a great shot and is a very good defender (he can also mid/run well) but on goat&#039;s team he&#039;d be best suited to play defence. with his second or third pick Goat should look for a player that can play middle/assist on offense such as: WraithVerge, Roscoe, Ladna(again if he&#039;s still there), Ourhero, Beast, Rexn0r, Nazz, Killemall, Mistopher, Malignity or Mandolore. Also contrary to popular belief, Legion would be a solid 4th he can play that position.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Goat drafts ItalianStallion.[/i]<br />Other options - Killingblair, RussianDumbass, or Joshsmith<br /><br />[b]* Tai - Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />I agree that Tai should take more of a mid position rather than main defender, I believe Tai can be much more potent that way, as he can maneuver well and make key shots. Contrary to popular belief, Tai has some sense for the game so he will be able to make big plays in a pinch. Tai should really look into a strong runner for his first pick because he doesnt need &quot;Top-tier defender&quot; behind him because him playing middle will not leave the base defender overwhelmed. Mikehail may still be around for the 3rd pick, so tai can look for a second run with mikehail, or if Tai is looking for a more generalist runner just in case he gets fancy with his plans, he should look into someone like Joshsmith or Sabertooth. If he is still around for KGB&#039;s next pick, Tai should pick up X-Ray, he is an excellent defender and would be the best pick for the job, but if he&#039;s not there for the pick, Roscoe, Nazz, Acolyte, Killemall, or Mandolore would be a good fit for the job.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Tai drafts Mikehail.[/i]<br />Other options - Sabertooth, Joshsmith, or Gyrossman.<br /><br />[b]* Jenova* - Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />Jenova is a strong player who&#039;s greatest strength doesn&#039;t lie in only offense or defense, he can play both positions extremely well. However, he is probably one of the better runners and would be well suited to pick a defender/middle player to keep things safe for him to return with flags, or to cover him as he makes runs. I&#039;d think the perfect player to pick for Jen is RussianDumbass, maybe Joshsmith. Killingblair would also be a solid pick here. With his second and third drafts, he should look to fill any gaps left in the roster, but if he picks up Rus or blair, Jen has space to pick up another player who can run good to have a tricky lineup to play against. Players that fit the bill here are: Ladna, Nero, OurHero, WraithVerge, or Beast.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Jen drafts RussianDumbass.[/i]<br />Other options - Killingblair, Mantis-X or Joshsmith<br /><br />[b]* Nostar* - Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />Nostar is pure evil, yet being one of the best defenders in IDL. He can also run well but if he&#039;s serious about winning another championship, which you should bet that he is, he will grind out defense while picking offensive runners such as Sabertooth, Gyross, Ladna, Mantis-X, or mikehail (if he&#039;s still around). With his next picks he should maybe pick up a player with a strong ssg such as: X-Ray, WraithVerge, Hatred, or maybe Roscoe.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Nostar drafts Gyrossman.[/i]<br />Other options - Sabertooth, or Mantis-X.<br /><br />[b]* LordBritish* - Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />LBD works sometimes, but you better believe LordBritish will try to prove that he&#039;s the true captain of the team as he brings in flag after flag for his team (aptly named the Flag Steelers). For his first pick LB might go with the curveball and pick a middle-offensive player rather than a defender, as I see S2010 FLS team to be like the Phoenix Suns, with a pushing fast pace and defense being overshadowed by high scoring. With his first pick he may pick up somebody like Joshsmith, midian, Strangle or Hatred. With his 2nd and 3rd picks, look for defenders such as: Roscoe, Acolyte, Killemall, or Nazz.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]LB drafts Joshsmith.[/i]<br />Other options - midian, Hatred, or Strangle.<br /><br />[b]* Shadow Ghost - Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />A wise man once said that Denny would probably pick a sandwich with his first pick.<br /><br />Prediction -[i] Shadow drafts Sandwich.[/i]<br />Other options - Extra meat, cheese, or mayo.<br /><br />[b]* Ralphis - Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />Returning and defending champions Super Chargers being led by IDL commish Ralphis, has many options here. With the 8th &amp; 9th picks overall he can have a well rounded team. I&#039;d assume Ralphis would pick up players such as X-Ray/Strangle &amp; Rottking, letting Ralphis be the main source of O and having defense and support roles filled with a well rounded team.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Ralphis drafts Rottking.[/i]<br />Other options - Strangle, X-Ray, or midian.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1879, 218, 12, 1274737661, 10, 1879, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Just so we&#039;re clear on things, I&#039;m just gonna put this out there and let all players know.&nbsp; I&#039;m not very well at captaining 3v3.&nbsp; I crack under pressure.&nbsp; I can get it done in priv because I have others to cover up my leadership flaws.&nbsp; Look at last season, Dew was our glue [and did a hell of a job!].&nbsp; I could do it, I wouldn&#039;t mind.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t think that I should be before other captains for my motivational skills.&nbsp; I just scold people.&nbsp; :P', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1975, 225, 12, 1277415271, 10, 1975, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1277420616, 'Ralphis', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]RALPHIS&#039; GAME OF THE WEEK[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />	The Cowboys continue their two week tour of its conference as they face the Packers. The teams are ranked first and third in the league, respectively. A few things can happen in the WDC this week. A win by the Packers will push them to first in the WDC while a loss could potentially push them to being tied for last place (if SPE and FLS win their interconference games). <br /><br />	A huge writeup for these games are unnecessary. Both teams are going to have to hit hard and quickly and the one that dominates the mid the best will win. If each team&#039;s primary rosters show up, it should be close.<br /><br />[i]Assuming both main rosters show up, I can see Nostar narrowly losing this one, dealing him his first loss as a captain in the IDL since Summer 2008.[/i]<br />[center][b]BSK 2-1 BBC[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	The Flag Steelers absolutely need a win this week to keep pace in the vastly superior WDC. As the only team without a win, the Steelers could end up losing their division early if they start 0-2-1. A loss is not an option.<br /><br />	The Killing Browns narrowly lost last week to the Spread Eagles but still looked formidable. Like the prediction above, this game could go either way. A win here will put KGB two games ahead in their division while a loss could allow EBL to catch back up to them.<br /><br />[i]The Killing Browns lose two in a row to the WDC and drop to 1-3 while the Steelers play up to their potential.[/i]<br />[center][b]FLS 2-0 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	The Electric Bills are a better team than they&#039;ve shown so far. With that said, this is the week to show that. There has been visible tension between Xenaero and Whiteboy but they have to put that aside, get on the same page, and win some games. EBL is built to win this map and with ample time to prepare, they will hopefully be ready.<br /><br />	A win by the Spread Eagles could push them into position to take the division depending on what happens in the BBC/BSK game. Regardless of the results of that game, SPE can&#039;t afford a loss here either. No team in this conference can.<br /><br />[i]Though this map is a favorite of some SPE players, the Eagles may fall short this week.[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 1-2 EBL[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center]Hopefully a good game![/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3364, 382, 1, 1297017570, 35, 3364, 'Top 5 EGOS', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', 'We&#039;ve got plenty of them in the IDL here are my top 5 biggest EGOS in IDL and why.<br /><br />5. Selwyn &quot;wtf&quot; Tai - He most likely doesn&#039;t realize it being slow and all, but with his smug little emoticons and occasional gloating after a match this scores tia the number 5 spot. D:<br /><br />4. Ralphis - Like most of the guys on this list, i like ralphis, but there&#039;s no denying that hes got one extraordinary ego. But rightfully so he deserves one.<br /><br />3. LB - I remember back during the roaring sin days when he was known as Abuse, his bragging actually got on my nerves. He&#039;d brag in pub matches and really rub it when he won. His ego doesn&#039;t bother me much anymore, i actually find it humorous now more than anything.<br /><br />2. Fastidious - What other doomers do you know that would come into IRC bragging about how they just solo&#039;d a coop map. I&#039;ll give you time to think of one......................................................................................yeah no one right? this is just one of the reasons why fast is number 2.<br /><br />1. Jenova - Actually the top 3 are interchangeable but i gotta go with a NUMBER 1 and I choose JEN. Constantly reminding us that he&#039;s the.best.ever. like we&#039;ve forgotten 3 minutes earlier or something and always eager to remind us that he&#039;s #1. Stick around in IRC when jen wins an IDL match you&#039;ll witness some of the most egotistical things ever typed out in IRC.<br /><br />That&#039;s my top 5, there&#039;s really only one of these guys that truly annoys the shit out of me. I&#039;ll let you figure out which one D:<br /><br />So what&#039;s everyone else&#039;s top 5?', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1552, 178, 11, 1267055260, 22, 1552, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'building on the training league/rookie orgy, maybe in the off season we could have a variety of matches that are set up like this:<br /><br />each week (or even bi-weekly), there is a mini IDL such that, there are a pool of &quot;rookie&quot; players, and two captains are chosen from the variety of established veterans. These two captains then choose teams and play each other later that day or later that week. Do this with captains being changed each time. This way the rookies are more exposed to the league environment and they also get to learn more about various strategies and habits that they pick up from the veterans. It also gives the IDL community to see what these rookies are capable of. <br /><br />With the league possibly moving to 12 teams, the new blood and younger players will be extremely important to many teams. At the end of each game, the rookies have their records upgraded (win/loss/tie) and at the end of it all they&#039;ll have something to look at! Rookies with the best records may be hot prospects come draft time', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1555, 178, 11, 1267073321, 160, 1555, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.43', 1, 0, '', 'Few things I would like to note for league survival:<br /><br />1) Remove franchising. This is possibly the dumbest rule to have existed.<br /><br />2) Decentralize league power. It results in abuse and is worse than Capitol Hill.<br /><br />3) Shorter, frequent seasons. My team (most noticeable in myself) has lost the will to play since the bye week, and I have seen this with other teams more or less from the sharp drop in practicing. It would keep the flow of things more condensed and consistent.<br /><br />I&#039;d bail out but I owe it to Shak to stay put until we can end this season. ;)<br /><br /><br /><br />IDL will not grow again until its overhauled. I doubt there will be a next season unless the gates are opened to anyone/everyone at its current stance. I joined to play with Shak (&lt;3) and cause, well, you guys DID need players.<br /><br />A few nitpicks: Shitty maps, TT being butt for most of the players (the only server in my entire time playing ZD where I&#039;ve had the client constantly desync), and uneven games. Games should try to be 3v3 and it just plain looks bad on the league when teams are put into situations they know they won&#039;t win. Forcing teams into an obvious loss scenario with uneven teams. Crippled games should be avoided as much as it can. It just plain looks bad making teams play crippled. Any crippling rules should be gone but it would have to rethink a chunk of the rule system.<br /><br />Spinoff league for the &quot;lesser skilled&quot; is a waste of time in my opinion, but getting more players in on priv is a better idea as much as I&#039;d hate having an abundance of Mistophers. Its the only way to grow the player base.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1560, 178, 11, 1267119952, 130, 1560, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1555#msg1555 date=1267073321]<br />TT being butt for most of the players (the only server in my entire time playing ZD where I&#039;ve had the client constantly desync)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Have you tried removing your aimbot before joining the server?<br />Also do you play in Linux via Wine or Cedega?', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1561, 178, 11, 1267124019, 15, 1561, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 0, '', 'I think I suggested it already on irc, or in game but might as well put it here.<br /><br />Maybe to make the conferences only play teams within the conference.&nbsp; This would result in a more hyped masterbowl game.&nbsp; And if one side of the league is stronger, it wouldn&#039;t really show.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1741, 198, 12, 1271909682, 157, 1741, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.121.108.244', 1, 0, '', 'I am very interested in becoming a cap! Count me in the process! :3', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1928, 222, 12, 1276375714, 147, 1928, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'Yeah I think the FLS/BSK games woulda been better than people already claimed they were (even though I found them quite sloppy, I guess I have high expectations) if the epic LB/Stall matchup got to take shape, but Canada&#039;s wild nightlife and Ohio&#039;s shitty internet made sure that didn&#039;t happen.&nbsp; I was pretty much unstoppable in the 3 weeks I played this map, and even though we practiced a little with the lineup that played, it was too much of a shock I think not to have me in there.&nbsp; I guess a draw was a fair result, but that&#039;s only cuz I kinda like Jen and don&#039;t wanna go off on a tirade.&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1827, 214, 1, 1274197601, 19, 1827, 'Re: Don''t taze me bro!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'stfu', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4628, 136, 1, 1314269184, 2073, 4628, 'Re: It''s coming', 'Nati46', 'yerom8@walla.com', '79.182.185.166', 1, 0, '', 'wtf? xD', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2003, 228, 12, 1278384646, 2, 2003, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', 'ggs EBL, really tough games, whiteboy cheats and you guys should pick that as your homefield probably and kick some suc butt&nbsp; :o<br /><br />[URL=http://img13.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100705192358.png/][IMG]http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4849/ctf20100705192358.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img101.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100705193406.png/][IMG]http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1294/ctf20100705193406.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img708.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100705194424.png/][IMG]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/8103/ctf20100705194424.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(5767, 563, 20, 1324611768, 19, 5767, 'Re: Winter 2012 Draft Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '76.4.113.34', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=563.msg5765#msg5765 date=1324516962]<br />that was a solid, factually based retort.&nbsp; well played.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />http://youtu.be/EdCkrHa-pfY?t=30s', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4668, 483, 16, 1314850643, 17, 4668, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '69.245.157.115', 1, 0, '', 'Youd like my maps more if they weren&#039;t by me...', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8744, 861, 25, 1363742129, 4, 8744, 'Re: Season 13 / Winter 2013 - MASTERBOWL XIII - Discussion and Results', 'Tenchu', 'ddmrulz@gmail.com', '50.88.51.175', 1, 0, '', 'SUC 2-0-2', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8784, 865, 18, 1364243947, 1969, 8784, 'Re: Winter 2013 MasterBowl Champions: SUC', 'turSKA', 'friikki_eki@hotmail.com', '88.115.108.36', 1, 0, '', 'Those were some good ass games. Those BSK-dudes were tough, especially Fluffles with his insane ssg. Well coordinated guys and well played overall. I guess this time experience won.<br /><br />This season could have been better, but personally I enjoyed getting on Ralphis&#039; team, knowing we probably don&#039;t need to practise too much, and we didn&#039;t. Always just few games one or two hours before the game. Perfect for a lazy old dog like myself. Thanks Ralphis, Nautilus and dr_sean, you guys were fun to play with! ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8881, 879, 18, 1365908339, 19, 8881, 'Re: IDL Radio #2 - 4/14/13', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.242.178', 1, 0, '', 'guess you&#039;ll find out tomorrow LOL', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1562, 178, 11, 1267135769, 7, 1562, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.69', 1, 0, '', 'That&#039;s an interesting idea.&nbsp; We&#039;d only have four weeks (2 div games) which would determine playoff seeding (if a team makes playoffs, 1 probably still won&#039;t).&nbsp; If we only have 4 weeks, we can also use Fast&#039;s map pool idea.&nbsp; I guess we can use it regardless, but to me it just feels like it makes more sense with fewer weeks.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1564, 178, 11, 1267143363, 20, 1564, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '65.87.154.171', 1, 0, '', 'Big yes to eliminating the bye and at the very least bringing it down to an 8 week season.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1565, 178, 11, 1267152271, 75, 1565, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', 'stop jerking your dicks around things that don&#039;t really matter. the fact is, you have a diminishing player pool and you don&#039;t attract new guys. you wanna know why? because you&#039;re too elite and snobby. you will screw them the first chance you&#039;ll get. you treat newcomers like legion like garbage and euros are the comedy relief factor for you. in the end, none of you will go for the experimental stuff, because the ones that do get punished by the teams consisting of guys who know each other like the back of their hand.<br /><br />new guys don&#039;t win, they get trampled in the 0-8-1 teams, or they don&#039;t get drafted at all. how much seasons for killemall now? this might get cured a bit in 4v4s where even the weaker players might get relied on, but i&#039;m not convinced that&#039;s a realistic model. on the other hand, i&#039;m not signing up for another season like this one, because i&#039;m not willing to be treated like a retarded child that only gets played when it&#039;s 1000000:0. i&#039;d rather be on a constantly losing team than benchwarming for the leader even in week8.<br /><br />real enough?', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1566, 178, 11, 1267153986, 2, 1566, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.41.157', 1, 0, '', 'I know we discussed a rule before, forcing 4ths to play in at least 1 game for each half of the season, not really sure what happened to it, but I liked it!&nbsp; It bugs me personally to see new players not be given a chance or blamed endlessly.&nbsp; I see players like dew or legion getting crapped on for things that aren&#039;t really their fault, whereas we try to be really supportive of dev and well, maybe that is easy because hes so good!&nbsp; But even when I had 2 new guys on my team (mortal and rus) I still tried to keep it really upbeat and fun for these guys.&nbsp; I am guilty of calling legion an idiot a number of times, but I still like the kid and I hope he doesn&#039;t take it too personally, because he is a pretty good personality to have around here.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1742, 199, 12, 1271988457, 46, 1742, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '174.25.3.87', 1, 1271988619, 'Roscoe', 'Name: Roscoe aka [WOLF]Roscoe<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: dalekcomander@gmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: Roscoe on irc.quakenet.org, [WOLF]Roscoe on irc.zdaemon.org, msn address is same email, though I do not sign on unless asked to<br />Regular Availability: Random, work most week nights.&nbsp; Can schedule a week in advance.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1976, 225, 12, 1277495219, 130, 1976, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]<br />[/center]<br /><br />I don&#039;t know, this isn&#039;t a great map for my team. Usually we like grindy and lame maps and this is pretty quick. I still think I&#039;ll beat team Canuk but it will probably be&nbsp; closer than desired.<br /><br />[i]We&#039;ll probably win[/i]<br />[center][b]BSK 0-2 BBC[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />FLS should win this map without a fuss. LB has no thinking to do and Rus has all the CG he can ask for. KGB got a bad pull to play a butt of such caliber on this map.<br /><br />[center][b]FLS 2-0 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img][/center]<br />If EBL shows they&#039;ll have a fighting chance. Denny is not very good at this map so it&#039;s mostly up to KB to pull the strings.<br /><br />[i]SPE goes down in their conference with 2 early losses.[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 1-2 EBL[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />This game will suck. It&#039;s really disappointing that the team needing the most practice isn&#039;t ever on and never has a chance. <br /><br />[center][b]SUC 2-0 DMR[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1880, 218, 12, 1274739836, 147, 1880, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'actually nostar and beast, it comms from the collectible card game world, and drafting decks.&nbsp; when you take a card that is really good but you know you won&#039;t be able to use it, you are hatedrafting the card away from other people.&nbsp; this is often done when it is a card that would crush the type of deck you have, etc', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1929, 222, 12, 1276399788, 19, 1930, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 1276400595, 'Xenaero', 'This is me right now<br /><br /><br />[img]http://i47.tinypic.com/30szhpf.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2004, 228, 12, 1278389850, 38, 2004, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.46.100', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23267617/BSKvSPE.rar&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2139, 240, 12, 1280283993, 2, 2139, 'Week 8 (Jul 26 - Aug 1) : 32in24-4 MAP31 (MAP31) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 8 of IDL Summer 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 8 - MAP31 - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 8 - MAP31 - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 8 - MAP31 - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 8 - MAP31 - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Brokeback Cowboys vs Flag Steelers (DIV)<br /><br />Super Chargers vs Killing Browns<br /><br />Spread Eagles vs Doom Raiders<br /><br />Berserker Packers vs Electric Bills<br />[/b]<br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2051, 228, 12, 1278816090, 35, 2051, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.sendspace.com/file/g7csok', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1745, 199, 12, 1272071318, 69, 1745, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.84.84', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Goatface<br />Country: USA<br />Email: roger.banango@gmail.com<br />Instant Message: IRC preferable(Goatface)<br />Availability: Most nights, much easier if I know in advance when practices/games are', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1567, 178, 11, 1267161240, 16, 1567, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=178.msg1565#msg1565 date=1267152271]<br />stop jerking your dicks around things that don&#039;t really matter. the fact is, you have a diminishing player pool and you don&#039;t attract new guys. you wanna know why? because you&#039;re too elite and snobby. you will screw them the first chance you&#039;ll get. you treat newcomers like legion like garbage and euros are the comedy relief factor for you. in the end, none of you will go for the experimental stuff, because the ones that do get punished by the teams consisting of guys who know each other like the back of their hand.<br /><br />new guys don&#039;t win, they get trampled in the 0-8-1 teams, or they don&#039;t get drafted at all. how much seasons for killemall now? this might get cured a bit in 4v4s where even the weaker players might get relied on, but i&#039;m not convinced that&#039;s a realistic model. on the other hand, i&#039;m not signing up for another season like this one, because i&#039;m not willing to be treated like a retarded child that only gets played when it&#039;s 1000000:0. i&#039;d rather be on a constantly losing team than benchwarming for the leader even in week8.<br /><br />real enough?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Oh, do tell how the Euros are being crapped on.&nbsp; ::)<br /><br />The newer players I agree we can be a bit nicer too. A bit. : p ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1568, 178, 11, 1267161340, 130, 1568, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'I don&#039;t care about the BYE week at all. I do think that map voting will put more standard maps into the rotation, which while possibly attractive to newer players, seems like a boring idea to me. I feel like map voting needs to be setup so the league allows 50% of the maps to be picked and 50% to be new each season. Or some such system to ensure newer maps.<br /><br />A diminishing player pool, as Ralph has pointed out, isn&#039;t the best way to describe it. It&#039;s a stagnant pool if anything. We have a couple shakeups here and there but the last few seasons we&#039;ve had roughly the same amount of players. I do agree that we need more people and that one way to get people to play in IDL is to invite them to play in priv. I personally play priv because it&#039;s organized, not necessarily for the talent of the players. New players don&#039;t bother me so much as jerks who aren&#039;t any good (regardless of their tenure). For instance, I trash Beast for not being any good too and he&#039;s been around longer than me. Of the people I trash, Mistopher comes to mind as the most egregious and he&#039;s a complete douchebag without any redeeming value.<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=178.msg1565#msg1565 date=1267152271]<br />on the other hand, i&#039;m not signing up for another season like this one, because i&#039;m not willing to be treated like a retarded child that only gets played when it&#039;s 1000000:0. i&#039;d rather be on a constantly losing team than benchwarming for the leader even in week8.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Dewww, I don&#039;t begrudge you being mad about not seeing a lot of playing time. I don&#039;t know if you get treated like a retard really, that seems like an exaggeration, but it&#039;s tough to play you because of your ping and bad packetloss to TT. In the same way that in ECDL I played in 1 game (actually 1 round) for LAG and didn&#039;t have a problem with it. I was on the best team and knew how it worked. While I think IDL accepts foreign players far better than Europe tends to (see zd forums) I also think that we recognize the uses of such players.<br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=178.msg1565#msg1565 date=1267152271]<br />euros are the comedy relief factor for you<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I have no idea what that means. Nero is capping like crazy on BBC and Gyross was drafted...2nd overall I think and rocked the shit out of KGB on map03. If I remember right Rose is even on one of the frag stat top 10 lists. Comic relief comments would put you in the naive category, regardless of your mastery of mathematics.<br /><br />I encouraged many euros to signup for IDL because I think they&#039;re better and more interested than players like Legion and Mistopher and (name some other new guys), who, while being around, have not improved substantially in a reasonable amount of time. From a strictly pragmatic view I find that playing well is as important as showing up as far as success of a team goes. League wide it&#039;s probably a little more on the showing up side but not that much. If anyone endorses and encourages Euro participation it has been SUC, the only team in IDL to field 2 active euros and a winning record. <br /><br />By the numbers you&#039;ve played in half the games we&#039;ve played. We bombed Week 3 through no fault of yours, we did well week 4 without Ralph against a top team and Week 6 sucked ass and should be wiped from the pages, though you would have played regardless. I also recall us wanting to play you week 1 and 7 but you disliked the maps (which I totally get, they were bad for pingers mostly). This is all to say that you&#039;re being a little over dramatic and need to put into perspective how much Gyross and Mortal and Nero have played in IDL and how much you have. It&#039;s just part of playing in overseas leagues.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1556, 178, 11, 1267076117, 15, 1568, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.148', 1, 1267162958, 'ItalianStallion', 'Suck my balls.<br /><br />Maybe make the IDL more public.&nbsp; I mean, I joined from reading a topic on the forums about the mid season signups.&nbsp; Maybe I&#039;m just not looking, but there could be more publicity to recruit more players.&nbsp; Or we [those of us who aren&#039;t master banned] can play some games out in the public with &quot;[IDL]&quot; as our clan tags, and just spam the website when the game is over.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1569, 178, 11, 1267168255, 147, 1569, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', '1.) remove divisions.&nbsp; they&#039;re pretty dumb.<br />2.) expand to 10 teams, 5 in each conference.&nbsp; Name the teams the 69ers and the Foreskins.<br />3.) 8 game season - 2 vs each conference opponent.&nbsp; no bye weeks.<br />4.) remove franchising.<br />5.) at the beginning of each season, reassign each team to a random conference.&nbsp; this way, if SUC maintains the same captain for 4 season and DMR maintains the same captain for 4 seasons, those captains won&#039;t have to play each other up to 6 times a year.&nbsp; Or maybe don&#039;t do that, it depends on how you want rivalries to form.<br />6.) have the top two teams from each conference make the playoffs, and the winners of the playoff games meet in the masterbowl.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1570, 178, 11, 1267171142, 7, 1570, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.186.238.69', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=178.msg1565#msg1565 date=1267152271]<br />i&#039;d rather be on a constantly losing team than benchwarming for the leader even in week8.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think you&#039;re the only player that feels this way.&nbsp; Riding pine can be frustrating, but playing week after week and losing is definitely worse.&nbsp; I&#039;ve done both, and as long as we won or I couldn&#039;t have done better, I didn&#039;t care.&nbsp; I&#039;m not trying to tell you that you&#039;re wrong (you were on SPE last season after all), and I think there&#039;s a lot of validity to the point &quot;I joined IDL and got drafted, but I don&#039;t play&quot;.&nbsp; This happens because we have 4 players on a 3v3 CTF team.&nbsp; If we didn&#039;t have that extra player, we&#039;d have a lot more 3v2s, 2v2s and forfeits.&nbsp; A lot of players will say, &quot;a game played with your 4th is as good as lost&quot;, but look at FLS: the only constant in our lineup whenever I setup a strategy is Whiteboy.&nbsp; The other players are based on capability, chemistry, the other team&#039;s capabilities and the map.&nbsp; And at first it might seem like FLS&#039; situation is rare, but it&#039;s really not: in Season 5 DMR, SUC and BSK had usable 4ths, and that&#039;s just off the top of my head.&nbsp; In fact, quite a few teams are successfully using their 4ths this season.&nbsp; You just got picked by the evil SUC, whom we all know is the bad guy in basically every sports movie ever.<br /><br />So this puts us where we are now.&nbsp; Games played with 4ths aren&#039;t guaranteed losses, so if we get rid of &quot;extra players&quot;, then we lose:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]The potential to win if your original lineup if unavailable (this happened frequently to SUC last season, and they had last pick!)[/li]<br />[li]Choice of strategies[/li]<br />[li]Ease of scheduling[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />But for the sake of argument, let&#039;s say that we only had 3 player teams.&nbsp; That means we could expand to 12 teams based on our current player base.&nbsp; It would also mean that DMR would be completely screwed, BSK would be screwed, and KGB might be in trouble.&nbsp; It also means that captains are much less likely to take a chance on a high-pinging player (or a player with a questionable connection/attitude/attendance, etc.) because they have no outs.&nbsp; In fact, it makes IDL much more fragile in just about every way, which is something we try to avoid.<br /><br />That said, that&#039;s just my feeling on it, and it&#039;s highly opinionated.&nbsp; If everyone else feels like having a player on your team that plays infrequently is lame, feel free to say so.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />I sort of feel consensus forming on a couple points.&nbsp; I don&#039;t want to stop ideas or slow the thread down, but here&#039;s what I see people agreeing on:<br /><br />[list type=decimal]<br />[li]Franchising is gay (does anyone think it&#039;s a good idea?)[/li]<br />[li]New maps are good, but the community should have some kind of say about the final list[/li]<br />[li]BYE week sucks[/li]<br />[li]Non-3v3 games blow and should be banned[/li]<br />[li]We need some kind of outreach to get new players (and maybe be less snobby/elite/etc.)[/li]<br />[li]More teams is better[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates Mistopher[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />1-4 we can fix pretty easily.&nbsp; We can roll back franchising, we can have you guys vote on some maps and we&#039;ll pick some new maps or w/e, we can get rid of the BYE, and we can ban non-3v3 games.&nbsp; 5 &amp; 6 really require everyone to make an effort, we can add more teams and mess around with divisions/conferences and stuff (I like the suggestions in this area so far, more more!) but it hinges on us having enough players to do it, and it means we need players to step up as captains.&nbsp; This means reaching out to new players, wearing [IDL] tags in Public CTF, making forum posts on the ZD forums, PM&#039;ing players with quakenet info and calming them down when Nostar bans them for no reason, etc.&nbsp; There are currently 32 players and a handful of free agents, 10 teams is 40 players, 12 teams is 48 players.<br /><br />Other weird things to think about:<br /><br />If we get rid of 4ths, then right now we can expand to 10 teams... and if you stretch it a little we can do 12.<br /><br />If we go to 4v4, but don&#039;t require that teams have 5 players, then we can do 4v4 with only 32 players and 8 teams.&nbsp; Otherwise 8 teams, 5 players each is 40 players, which is the same as expanding to 10 teams.<br /><br />Currently there are only ever 8 benched players (sometimes less depending on per-round rosters).&nbsp; If we increase teams, we increase the number of players that might not ever see game time.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />I know there&#039;s a lot of ideas that were thrown out that I didn&#039;t bring up; but that doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re crappy ideas, I just get the feeling people are tired of me talking about everything.&nbsp; So keep at it!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1743, 199, 12, 1272003994, 20, 1743, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.83.25', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Mantis-X<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: Use the PM system in the forums<br />Instant Message: #idl<br />Regular Availability: Most nights except Wednesday and Friday will be fine. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1930, 222, 12, 1276400034, 16, 1930, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.35.58.25', 1, 0, '', 'This is me right now:<br /><br /> :D ;D :D ;D', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(916, 112, 3, 1245632951, 19, 916, 'Re: Hey There', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.242.123', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/210609/1245631525.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(922, 112, 3, 1245723012, 17, 922, 'Re: Hey There', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '71.239.52.101', 1, 0, '', 'I assumed it was, but other unreformed people wont.<br /><br />Of course i may be underestimating them', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1572, 179, 11, 1267186960, 75, 1572, 'Politics and stuff', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', 'erm.. i got a bit drunk yesterday and let myself get carried away. i feel stupid for some of the stuff i said, but i don&#039;t know how to rephrase it or put it right or whatever.<br />i don&#039;t have magic cures for the problems idl is facing and i don&#039;t think i should be telling you how to run your league anyways, so please ignore that outburst if you can.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(915, 112, 3, 1245615472, 2, 915, 'Re: Hey There', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.17.172', 1, 0, '', 'so i hurd u liek mudkipz....<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(923, 112, 3, 1245793739, 75, 923, 'Re: Hey There', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=112.msg916#msg916 date=1245632951]<br />image of the door of closing right in front of your face<br />[/quote]<br />zomg now i&#039;m famous on teh interwebs', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1977, 225, 12, 1277509547, 2, 1977, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]<br />[/center]<br />[center] :)[/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />I might be the only one who thinks so, but KGB will be a pretty good team on this map if they all show up tonight, I would say overall they can probably outshoot FLS (unless wraithverge plays :P) but you can frag yourself deaf and blind and still lose this map.&nbsp; Biggest liability for KGB is well, their entire team is sorta unaware of things going on at times in a bad way, its a whole lot easier to score flags if the enemy doesn&#039;t know to turn around and return.&nbsp; Josh, Strangle, X-Ray, and even Tai all have their moments of ignorant bliss during games, hopefully they won&#039;t get lost in the chaos and can keep track of it all.<br /><br />FLS looks to be in a pretty good position here, Rus is quite effective in such a tight, aim based map and will likely be the hero of this game.&nbsp; LordBritish can run pretty reliably but if Tai is playing well its entirely possible he will get shut down.&nbsp; Ladna will make sure to prevent that at the middle, teasing and tickling Tai until he can&#039;t focus and LB brings the game home.&nbsp; I think FLS approach to this game will be pretty predictable whereas KGB will probably do something awkward and strange that may knock FLS off balance.&nbsp; Definitely in the Steelers favor tonight, if they do lose, they are pretty much out of playoffs :D<br /><br />[center][b]FLS 2-0 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img][/center]<br />EBL could be a pretty great team here if they all show up.&nbsp; Xen and Whiteboy can frag the map to make way for Dewwws reckless drunk running.&nbsp; The Eagles will likely have the advantage here though, since Mantis and Blair can both play pretty well, even though carrying Mr. Stay Puft is a full time job.&nbsp; I would like to see SPE take the win and hopefully knock out BSK so we don&#039;t have to see them again in playoffs after this week ;D<br /><br />As long as Xen doesn&#039;t bench White however, this game is probably in the Bills favor since White will lock that puny map down with his ridiculous shot and eliminate all opposition.<br /><br />[i]SPE gets pooped on and the Bills take their first win.[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 1-2 EBL[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />I hope DMR kicks SUC&#039;s BUTT!!&nbsp; They are nothing but a buncha suc&#039;in SUC&#039;s and hopefully DMR can pull it together and win the div!&nbsp; Look out for Souler to rock this map with unknown factor powering his illustrious victory, carrying Hatred and Goatface to the Masterbowl!!<br />[center][b]SUC 0-50 DMR[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2005, 228, 12, 1278389976, 49, 2005, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23267620/2010.07.05_23.49.16_idl2010h.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2034, 232, 12, 1278717687, 15, 2034, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.88', 1, 0, '', 'Yup we did beat SUC last night. GGs to SUC, and go fuck yourself star.&nbsp; Although hatred was handed to ebl quite easily, I played vs them on map20 and I will say that they are quite a team now.&nbsp; Thus leaving DMR the only team that is really struggling.&nbsp; No offense to Hatred, but picking him as your first pick when you have the #2 choice was just silly.&nbsp; He&#039;s a phenomenal player when he can be, but he just recently got back into doom, and is no where near the player he used to be.&nbsp; But he&#039;s definitely the missing piece of the EBL puzzle! ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2052, 224, 12, 1278816279, 35, 2052, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.sendspace.com/file/oyaryt', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2154, 240, 12, 1280944523, 145, 2154, 'Re: Week 8 (Jul 26 - Aug 1) : 32in24-4 MAP31 (MAP31) - Discussion and Results', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '188.28.55.19', 1, 0, '', '[b]SPE vs DMR[/b]<br /><br />[b]Game 1[/b]<br /><br />[img]http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/1715/idl1spe.jpg[/img]<br /><br />[b]Game 2[/b]<br /><br />[img]http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/9267/idl2spe.jpg[/img]<br /><br />Good Games&nbsp; :)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3913, 413, 1, 1302502947, 213, 8080, 'Re: The birth of Lord British...', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '174.103.6.16', 1, 1357535294, 'Aguni', '[center][img]http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l594/massvc/nostar.jpg[/img][/center]<br /><br /><br /><br />NO MORE OF THIS NAZI MODDING', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1571, 179, 11, 1267179398, 0, 1571, 'Politics and stuff', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.241.169', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=dew link=topic=178.msg1565#msg1565 date=1267152271]real enough?[/quote]<br /><br />There is some truth to all your ranting but a lot of it is wrong too.&nbsp; I think the main truth is I doubt the IDL will change, the board will argue and Ralph will resist everything like usual.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather we try some new things and fail than stick with the same old gig.&nbsp; Lots of people seem to accept the IDL as good enough, but it can be better.<br /><br />I also agree with Nostar, the IDL seems much more accepting of international players than any other continent.&nbsp; I remember some EU IDL type league that me and Chain got on the same team with Rose and Belial IIRC and the league ended up dying soon after.&nbsp; I think part of that was due to Dopefish being a lazy fucker but also probably realizing two Americans were going to win an EU league.&nbsp; The fact is EU players don&#039;t have a good schedule to play in NA whereas NA players do have a good schedule to play in EU.&nbsp; Most matches happen during the night on each continent that is just how it is, being behind in hours of EU means NA players have a much easier time of it.&nbsp; I wouldn&#039;t fucking stay up till 3-5am to play a match even if I do occasionally do it for no real reason such as right now.<br /><br />Most people resist changes on grounds which often can be tough to argue against, but the fact is debating and winning arguments isn&#039;t what should decide how a league is run.&nbsp; A good example is the 3v2 rule and all that unfairness which seems to have stuck around because people are afraid a team will only field two good players all season.&nbsp; Sure that is possible but everyone will notice if that happens and most players on an IDL team would not be for being benched all season just so the two best could 2v2 all the matches.&nbsp; Gotta give the player base the benefit of the doubt and roll back some of the more anal rules which are super competitive.<br /><br />Ladna, Ralph loves franchising I think.&nbsp;  :-\\<br /><br />I don&#039;t mind Mistopher I just never know what the fuck he is doing usually.&nbsp; It makes it hard to have you know a team game in CTF when this happens.<br /><br />I personally don&#039;t mind sitting sometimes but I like to play in matches too.&nbsp; On RNB I sat matches to let Gax play when I didn&#039;t need to.&nbsp; Some teams and captains won&#039;t do that, which is pretty shitty!&nbsp; I have never been in this situation since I&#039;m pretty good but I don&#039;t know how I would react if my role on a team was backup for starters and practice buddy.&nbsp; I might not enjoy that much and I might even start to not show up anymore.<br /><br />I personally hate being on really bad teams; teams which end up with only 0, 1, or 2 wins all season.&nbsp; Really it is pointless.&nbsp; TMNT was terrible and it felt like a waste of time and a lost season.&nbsp; I could have had much more fun playing random private or even public games.&nbsp; Sometimes for whatever reason there is no way to even put up a decent challenge for other teams if your own team isn&#039;t working or just sucks.<br /><br />The IDL should be more flexible and understanding and not so competitive all the time.&nbsp; A good example this season is DMR and BSK.&nbsp; Shak got Chow who is a top player all around and DMR got LB who is fairly good, both weren&#039;t even signed up for the league.&nbsp; Both decisions are great and I commend the IDL for flexibility and doing things it often has not dared to in the past to bring players in.&nbsp; Yet let us compare what happened on BSK and DMR to EBL&#039;s current situation.&nbsp; EBL could really use help to turn their season around yet the teams given the leg up are better than EBL.&nbsp; This is where IDL politics come into play.&nbsp; EBL didn&#039;t get special help and this is pretty unfair.&nbsp; They played by the rules and are going to die by them too.&nbsp;  The IDL plays favorites over and over again each season.&nbsp; You can argue fine details, etc but what counts is the end result.&nbsp; How would EBL be doing now if they had managed to convince the IDL to give them LB instead of strangle?&nbsp; The UD conspiracy is still going strong as well!&nbsp;  ;D<br /><br />I&#039;d be against 4v4 due to increased logistics and less teams in the league by far.&nbsp; I think it&#039;d be cool if teams could agree to 4v4 however, why not?<br /><br />Also we should use SmartCTF, the maps are badass, seriously.&nbsp; If you haven&#039;t played them 3v3 yet you are missing out.&nbsp; They are designed with a much different attitude in mind than most CTF maps.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1791, 199, 12, 1273739298, 176, 1791, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Marax', 'lukasz2000@gmx.de', '193.238.180.222', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Marax<br />Country: Poland<br />Contact:#zdPlayers;quakenet &gt; #[dp]<br />Regular Availability: Evenings/we', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1932, 136, 1, 1276423852, 17, 1932, 'Re: It''s coming', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '24.15.219.212', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=136.msg1114#msg1114 date=1253719622]<br />[move][size=1][glow=black,2,300][color=white]6666666666666[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=#f8e9ea]6[/color][color=#fcf7f7]6[/color][color=#fdf9f9]6[/color][color=#fcf3f2]6[/color][color=#fffdfd]6[/color][color=white]6666666666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]666666666[/color][color=#fefcfb]6[/color][color=#fdf7f7]6[/color][color=#f8e9e9]6[/color][color=#ebb8b8]6[/color][color=#d17d7e]6[/color][color=#c25753]6[/color][color=#cd6e69]6[/color][color=#bd524e]6[/color][color=#c34a47]6[/color][color=#ce6765]6[/color][color=#e3adad]6[/color][color=#f8e5e4]6[/color][color=#fefcfc]6[/color][color=white]6666666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]6666666[/color][color=#fffcfb]6[/color][color=#f0bdba]6[/color][color=#df8581]6[/color][color=#cc6764]6[/color][color=#bc4242]6[/color][color=#b61a15]6[/color][color=#aa0f0a]6[/color][color=#af0f0c]6[/color][color=#9c0a05]6[/color][color=#a50805]6[/color][color=#a40a05]6[/color][color=#9a0703]6[/color][color=#8f0704]6[/color][color=#b12824]6[/color][color=#dd9492]6[/color][color=#fef9f9]6[/color][color=white]666666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]666666[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=#eb9d9b]6[/color][color=#ce3127]6[/color][color=#b7150e]6[/color][color=#a10c09]6[/color][color=#960a06]6[/color][color=#af0a05]6[/color][color=#ae0904]6[/color][color=#ad0704]6[/color][color=#c50904]6[/color][color=#de0d06]6[/color][color=#db0d05]6[/color][color=#dc0d06]6[/color][color=#bd0904]6[/color][color=#9f0502]6[/color][color=#a10e0b]6[/color][color=#c0514f]6[/color][color=#eec6c4]6[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=white]6666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]666666[/color][color=#fcefee]6[/color][color=#d33630]6[/color][color=#bb1009]6[/color][color=#b30b05]6[/color][color=#aa0703]6[/color][color=#b60603]6[/color][color=#b70802]6[/color][color=#ad0704]6[/color][color=#c60902]6[/color][color=#ea0a03]6[/color][color=#de0601]6[/color][color=#e30802]6[/color][color=#e60904]6[/color][color=#ef0c05]6[/color][color=#e30e04]6[/color][color=#ca0702]6[/color][color=#b60301]6[/color][color=#c73a39]6[/color][color=#fcf1f1]6[/color][color=white]6666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]66666[/color][color=#fffdfd]6[/color][color=#d7615d]6[/color][color=#ae0d07]6[/color][color=#b90a05]6[/color][color=#ae0703]6[/color][color=#af0301]6[/color][color=#be0502]6[/color][color=#c80704]6[/color][color=#950302]6[/color][color=#c90906]6[/color][color=#d21512]6[/color][color=#de2b25]6[/color][color=#e2352f]6[/color][color=#e5382f]6[/color][color=#e6271c]6[/color][color=#ee1a12]6[/color][color=#ec1107]6[/color][color=#ea0b04]6[/color][color=#e10e08]6[/color][color=#c8524d]6[/color][color=#fefdfd]6[/color][color=white]666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]66666[/color][color=#f8dbda]6[/color][color=#c41913]6[/color][color=#b60a05]6[/color][color=#a90502]6[/color][color=#bd0501]6[/color][color=#c60501]6[/color][color=#dc0702]6[/color][color=#df0a05]6[/color][color=#bc0f0a]6[/color][color=#d1312d]6[/color][color=#e4726f]6[/color][color=#e58a82]6[/color][color=#fbd0cc]6[/color][color=#fbd0cd]6[/color][color=#efa9a5]6[/color][color=#f5978e]6[/color][color=#f1473e]6[/color][color=#eb0904]6[/color][color=#e50b04]6[/color][color=#cf3f39]6[/color][color=#f5dbda]6[/color][color=white]666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]66666[/color][color=#e5827d]6[/color][color=#c50f0a]6[/color][color=#bb0904]6[/color][color=#c30702]6[/color][color=#ca0501]6[/color][color=#d80401]6[/color][color=#f10e05]6[/color][color=#e8190f]6[/color][color=#e26e63]6[/color][color=#e7a299]6[/color][color=#efbfb9]6[/color][color=#f3dcd7]6[/color][color=#fdeeed]6[/color][color=#fef7f4]66[/color][color=#f7ebe5]6[/color][color=#f6cbc9]6[/color][color=#df100c]6[/color][color=#ec0d05]6[/color][color=#c53938]6[/color][color=#f9e8e8]6[/color][color=white]666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]6666[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=#d6544b]6[/color][color=#b70a05]6[/color][color=#b40702]6[/color][color=#c90702]6[/color][color=#d80500]6[/color][color=#dd0300]6[/color][color=#f50f04]6[/color][color=#e63429]6[/color][color=#de9b8f]6[/color][color=#f4dcd6]6[/color][color=#d4bbb8]6[/color][color=#dfcbc9]6[/color][color=#f1e1df]6[/color][color=#eedbd6]6[/color][color=#e8d6d0]6[/color][color=#968685]6[/color][color=#ddcdc8]6[/color][color=#e04a45]6[/color][color=#f11106]6[/color][color=#c12421]6[/color][color=#f9eceb]6[/color][color=white]666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]6666[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=#d7423f]6[/color][color=#c30c07]6[/color][color=#b80703]6[/color][color=#bb0401]6[/color][color=#cb0400]6[/color][color=#cc0200]6[/color][color=#f00c03]6[/color][color=#dc4f44]6[/color][color=#e7bbb2]6[/color][color=#efdad7]6[/color][color=#b8a09c]6[/color][color=#cfb9b7]6[/color][color=#dac2bd]6[/color][color=#d8bab1]6[/color][color=#e0b4ad]6[/color][color=#e7c3bc]6[/color][color=#f7eceb]6[/color][color=#f5bdb8]6[/color][color=#ea1207]6[/color][color=#c21f1b]6[/color][color=#f6e3e1]6[/color][color=white]666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]66666[/color][color=#e7918f]6[/color][color=#c81911]6[/color][color=#c70903]6[/color][color=#c30501]6[/color][color=#c00301]6[/color][color=#ca0300]6[/color][color=#f30f04]6[/color][color=#d86254]6[/color][color=#dbac9d]6[/color][color=#ebd2cc]6[/color][color=#f6e9e5]6[/color][color=#faf0ec]6[/color][color=#eedcd9]6[/color][color=#d6958a]6[/color][color=#df655e]6[/color][color=#f7877a]6[/color][color=#f9d8d6]6[/color][color=#fef7f5]6[/color][color=#c81711]6[/color][color=#d45551]6[/color][color=#fefdfd]6[/color][color=white]666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]66666[/color][color=#fffdfd]6[/color][color=#d43931]6[/color][color=#c60a04]6[/color][color=#c60602]6[/color][color=#c30400]6[/color][color=#d40602]6[/color][color=#e11209]6[/color][color=#d07364]6[/color][color=#deb4a6]6[/color][color=#f1ded7]6[/color][color=#fbf0eb]6[/color][color=#ed9b93]6[/color][color=#e26b62]6[/color][color=#ec9287]6[/color][color=#f2a296]6[/color][color=#f6a092]6[/color][color=#de514a]6[/color][color=#fae9e7]6[/color][color=#e5483f]6[/color][color=#fae2e1]6[/color][color=white]6666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]666666[/color][color=#e18c87]6[/color][color=#d0241f]6[/color][color=#d50d08]6[/color][color=#d50902]6[/color][color=#bc0602]6[/color][color=#8c0c08]6[/color][color=#ca7868]6[/color][color=#e1c2b2]6[/color][color=#f3e5df]6[/color][color=#f4e6de]6[/color][color=#db746c]6[/color][color=#a12b20]6[/color][color=#a73d31]6[/color][color=#c54e45]6[/color][color=#cf3e33]6[/color][color=#e45f57]6[/color][color=#e9b0ac]6[/color][color=#fcdcdb]6[/color][color=white]66666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]666666[/color][color=#fef8f8]6[/color][color=#f8c9c7]6[/color][color=#eb5651]6[/color][color=#e11810]6[/color][color=#cf0e07]6[/color][color=#990906]6[/color][color=#b55c4d]6[/color][color=#e6ccbd]6[/color][color=#eedfd7]6[/color][color=#f6e8e1]6[/color][color=#efd7cf]6[/color][color=#d68a80]6[/color][color=#d05349]6[/color][color=#e44941]6[/color][color=#e6504c]6[/color][color=#eaa09d]6[/color][color=#db6d69]6[/color][color=#fffffe]6[/color][color=white]66666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]66666666[/color][color=#fff9f9]6[/color][color=#f1acac]6[/color][color=#e88683]6[/color][color=#c44e47]6[/color][color=#b7645a]6[/color][color=#ddbcb3]6[/color][color=#f1dfd8]6[/color][color=#f0e0d9]6[/color][color=#f0dfd7]6[/color][color=#ead7cf]6[/color][color=#f1e5df]6[/color][color=#fbf3f3]6[/color][color=#fef8f8]6[/color][color=#f8e5e6]6[/color][color=#f9ecec]6[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=white]66666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]6666666666[/color][color=#f3e5e4]6[/color][color=#dab8af]6[/color][color=#d9bbb6]6[/color][color=#d9bdb6]6[/color][color=#e9d5cd]6[/color][color=#f6e7e1]6[/color][color=#f7e9e2]6[/color][color=#f2e2db]6[/color][color=#f7ede8]6[/color][color=#fdf6f4]6[/color][color=#fcf7f4]6[/color][color=#dac0bd]6[/color][color=#d8b4af]6[/color][color=#e7ced0]6[/color][color=#fbf8f8]6[/color][color=white]6666666666[/color]<br />[color=white]666666666[/color][color=#f9f7f7]6[/color][color=#dfc9c8]6[/color][color=#e3d0c8]6[/color][color=#ede0dc]6[/color][color=#f2eae6]6[/color][color=#f2e6e3]6[/color][color=#f5e6e2]6[/color][color=#f8e4e1]6[/color][color=#fbece5]6[/color][color=#fceeea]6[/color][color=#fef4f2]6[/color][color=#fef3f1]6[/color][color=#c59d9b]6[/color][color=#a76d6a]6[/color][color=#c5918d]6[/color][color=#e1cbc8]6[/color][color=#f6e6d1]6[/color][color=#f5e0c2]6[/color][color=#f9f1e6]6[/color][color=#fefefd]6[/color][color=white]666666[/color]<br />[color=white]6666666[/color][color=#fdf8ef]6[/color][color=#f0cea3]6[/color][color=#df9740]6[/color][color=#e1b176]6[/color][color=#f0ddcd]6[/color][color=#f7eced]6[/color][color=#f7efef]6[/color][color=#faf5f4]6[/color][color=#fcf8f7]6[/color][color=#fcf6f6]6[/color][color=#faede9]6[/color][color=#fcebe8]6[/color][color=#f8e2e1]6[/color][color=#eed1cd]6[/color][color=#e3aca9]6[/color][color=#992520]6[/color][color=#833531]6[/color][color=#c78e7f]6[/color][color=#f1d8b9]6[/color][color=#f8b21a]6[/color][color=#f0a61b]6[/color][color=#de8d29]6[/color][color=#c9674f]6[/color][color=#e0a3a1]6[/color][color=#fcf6f5]6[/color][color=white]666[/color]<br />[color=white]66666[/color][color=#fffffe]6[/color][color=#fbf2e2]6[/color][color=#ebb360]6[/color][color=#de8813]6[/color][color=#ea8c0b]6[/color][color=#f4a80f]6[/color][color=#f4b83b]6[/color][color=#f2ce9e]6[/color][color=#fbf3ef]6[/color][color=#fdf9f8]6[/color][color=#fefbfb]6[/color][color=#fffdfd]6[/color][color=#fffdfe]6[/color][color=#fefcfc]6[/color][color=#f9f0ef]6[/color][color=#e7c5c3]6[/color][color=#ed7d76]6[/color][color=#db2a22]6[/color][color=#660907]6[/color][color=#9f554b]6[/color][color=#e5cec6]6[/color][color=#fdd043]6[/color][color=#fec408]6[/color][color=#f8b405]6[/color][color=#ea8c09]6[/color][color=#d46136]6[/color][color=#f5e3e1]6[/color][color=#fdfafa]6[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=white]6[/color]<br />[color=white]6666[/color][color=#fffefc]6[/color][color=#f6dba9]6[/color][color=#e19530]6[/color][color=#e4952f]6[/color][color=#e38e20]6[/color][color=#f2980c]6[/color][color=#f7ae07]6[/color][color=#f9b207]6[/color][color=#fab90b]6[/color][color=#f2b02f]6[/color][color=#f8d090]6[/color][color=#fdf0da]6[/color][color=#fffefe]6[/color][color=white]66666[/color][color=#fdf6f6]6[/color][color=#dbc4c5]6[/color][color=#bb6864]6[/color][color=#d4675c]6[/color][color=#f8d68d]6[/color][color=#feca08]6[/color][color=#ffc904]6[/color][color=#ffc505]6[/color][color=#fcb80d]6[/color][color=#faddb6]6[/color][color=#ec4740]6[/color][color=#f09994]6[/color][color=#f8eaea]6[/color]<br />[color=white]666[/color][color=#fefbf7]6[/color][color=#ebbd8f]6[/color][color=#d05523]6[/color][color=#d56745]6[/color][color=#ebcdae]6[/color][color=#e08766]6[/color][color=#e0370d]6[/color][color=#ec6509]6[/color][color=#f8a509]6[/color][color=#fcb809]6[/color][color=#feca0b]6[/color][color=#fdc20c]6[/color][color=#f9ad2b]6[/color][color=#f9ce6f]6[/color][color=#fdeaca]6[/color][color=#fffaf0]6[/color][color=#fffffe]6[/color][color=white]666[/color][color=#fffbfa]6[/color][color=#ed4037]6[/color][color=#e53111]6[/color][color=#e8b378]6[/color][color=#ffd40e]6[/color][color=#ffd406]6[/color][color=#ffc802]6[/color][color=#ffd305]6[/color][color=#f5a73d]6[/color][color=#f3180e]6[/color][color=#ee150d]6[/color][color=#cf4d4a]6[/color]<br />[color=white]66[/color][color=#fffefc]6[/color][color=#e2b18d]6[/color][color=#c24626]6[/color][color=#d82218]6[/color][color=#d04e40]6[/color][color=#efdacd]6[/color][color=#efb0a7]6[/color][color=#ee8e85]6[/color][color=#ef6b63]6[/color][color=#ee542c]6[/color][color=#f5a929]6[/color][color=#ffc909]6[/color][color=#ffda08]6[/color][color=#fcbd03]6[/color][color=#f9a605]6[/color][color=#fdc30a]6[/color][color=#fcc745]6[/color][color=#fbe295]6[/color][color=#fdefd8]6[/color][color=white]66[/color][color=#fee5c7]6[/color][color=#f11708]6[/color][color=#f62f0f]6[/color][color=#f9c14c]6[/color][color=#feda1d]6[/color][color=#ffd906]6[/color][color=#ffd604]6[/color][color=#ffda05]6[/color][color=#f18e05]6[/color][color=#f60c02]6[/color][color=#f65349]6[/color][color=#f1c4bc]6[/color]<br />[color=white]66[/color][color=#f0ceb1]6[/color][color=#bb5b37]6[/color][color=#d1745a]6[/color][color=#e46e5f]6[/color][color=#efcdc5]6[/color][color=#f8e6e0]6[/color][color=#fae4de]6[/color][color=#fbe6df]6[/color][color=#fce4de]6[/color][color=#fcd3cf]6[/color][color=#fbdac9]6[/color][color=#fed872]6[/color][color=#ffd411]6[/color][color=#ffcf04]6[/color][color=#f9ac03]6[/color][color=#ffd707]6[/color][color=#fec202]6[/color][color=#feca0d]6[/color][color=#fdcf1e]6[/color][color=#fbd157]6[/color][color=#feeeb9]6[/color][color=#ffea7b]6[/color][color=#fc4b09]6[/color][color=#fa180a]6[/color][color=#fb7e16]6[/color][color=#ffd90e]6[/color][color=#ffda04]6[/color][color=#ffdd04]6[/color][color=#ffdb04]6[/color][color=#f99006]6[/color][color=#f45041]6[/color][color=#fde8df]6[/color][color=#f7dfd2]6[/color]<br />[color=white]66[/color][color=#e3a582]6[/color][color=#b6482b]6[/color][color=#d89f8e]6[/color][color=#edc4b3]6[/color][color=#f4ded4]6[/color][color=#f2c3b6]6[/color][color=#ec665c]6[/color][color=#f15d52]6[/color][color=#f25950]6[/color][color=#f5544c]6[/color][color=#fa5046]6[/color][color=#fa6153]6[/color][color=#f7821c]6[/color][color=#fed408]6[/color][color=#ffcd03]6[/color][color=#fecc04]6[/color][color=#ffdd05]6[/color][color=#fec102]6[/color][color=#ffe108]6[/color][color=#ffdd06]6[/color][color=#ffd90b]6[/color][color=#fec412]6[/color][color=#fea70b]6[/color][color=#fd1907]6[/color][color=#fd3508]6[/color][color=#ffd906]6[/color][color=#ffdc05]6[/color][color=#fab205]6[/color][color=#fd9f07]6[/color][color=#fc7d14]6[/color][color=#f88f78]6[/color][color=#f5c593]6[/color][color=#eeb06e]6[/color]<br />[color=white]66[/color][color=#f3dacb]6[/color][color=#b94122]6[/color][color=#c4745f]6[/color][color=#f1d2c4]6[/color][color=#e57668]6[/color][color=#e11e13]6[/color][color=#e61107]6[/color][color=#ec0e04]6[/color][color=#f20e05]6[/color][color=#f61a0f]6[/color][color=#f6453a]6[/color][color=#f8463c]6[/color][color=#f91e10]6[/color][color=#f95c06]6[/color][color=#fbb807]6[/color][color=#fed706]6[/color][color=#ffd706]6[/color][color=#ffce03]6[/color][color=#ffe60a]6[/color][color=#ffe80b]6[/color][color=#ffe70a]6[/color][color=#fed607]6[/color][color=#fdb904]6[/color][color=#fe3308]6[/color][color=#fc1b0a]6[/color][color=#fec30a]6[/color][color=#f55508]6[/color][color=#eb0e04]6[/color][color=#d80701]6[/color][color=#df3221]6[/color][color=#e07435]6[/color][color=#e66904]6[/color][color=#e37404]6[/color]<br />[color=white]66[/color][color=#fffefc]6[/color][color=#d27c60]6[/color][color=#b03c26]6[/color][color=#e56d5b]6[/color][color=#e12114]6[/color][color=#df140a]6[/color][color=#e5130a]6[/color][color=#eb2217]6[/color][color=#f46e61]6[/color][color=#fbb7af]6[/color][color=#fde5df]6[/color][color=#fde8e3]6[/color][color=#fdbfb9]6[/color][color=#fc9a8e]6[/color][color=#f29750]6[/color][color=#fed90e]6[/color][color=#ffce04]6[/color][color=#ffe209]6[/color][color=#ffec10]6[/color][color=#ffec12]6[/color][color=#ffed14]6[/color][color=#ffee12]6[/color][color=#fdb703]6[/color][color=#fe5c09]6[/color][color=#fd1b08]6[/color][color=#fb500a]6[/color][color=#fd1a08]6[/color][color=#ee3b04]6[/color][color=#c71701]6[/color][color=#b00f01]6[/color][color=#b82d02]6[/color][color=#cf4c06]6[/color][color=#c24309]6[/color]<br />[color=white]666[/color][color=#f8e8de]6[/color][color=#be4a28]6[/color][color=#d44328]6[/color][color=#e51f12]6[/color][color=#dd170b]6[/color][color=#e97a6a]6[/color][color=#f7d9d0]6[/color][color=#fdf0ec]6[/color][color=#fef6f1]6[/color][color=#fff7f5]6[/color][color=#fff9f4]6[/color][color=#fedad3]6[/color][color=#feb1a6]6[/color][color=#fb7f6e]6[/color][color=#fb780a]6[/color][color=#ffc605]6[/color][color=#ffeb0d]6[/color][color=#ffef12]6[/color][color=#ffee14]6[/color][color=#ffef16]6[/color][color=#fff016]6[/color][color=#febc02]6[/color][color=#fe7306]6[/color][color=#fd1707]6[/color][color=#fc1408]6[/color][color=#f41706]6[/color][color=#cf5103]6[/color][color=#991c01]6[/color][color=#7b0b05]6[/color][color=#af4231]6[/color][color=#d79c8a]6[/color][color=#ecbcb3]6[/color]<br />[color=white]666[/color][color=#fffffe]6[/color][color=#d88e5f]6[/color][color=#cd7c63]6[/color][color=#e85f4d]6[/color][color=#e46152]6[/color][color=#f1d2c4]6[/color][color=#f6e1d5]6[/color][color=#fae5dc]6[/color][color=#f9c3b8]6[/color][color=#f49389]6[/color][color=#f35a4c]6[/color][color=#f33422]6[/color][color=#f01d0b]6[/color][color=#f51301]6[/color][color=#fc1801]6[/color][color=#fc4b04]6[/color][color=#fecf0b]6[/color][color=#ffee0e]6[/color][color=#ffef10]6[/color][color=#ffed0f]6[/color][color=#ffe60f]6[/color][color=#fba702]6[/color][color=#f76406]6[/color][color=#e80c04]6[/color][color=#d90603]6[/color][color=#ba0702]6[/color][color=#bc1602]6[/color][color=#c30801]6[/color][color=#d50903]6[/color][color=#f01e16]6[/color][color=#f75b50]6[/color][color=#fdd9d5]6[/color]<br />[color=white]6666[/color][color=#f4c777]6[/color][color=#aa532c]6[/color][color=#e4ac99]6[/color][color=#e39486]6[/color][color=#f3dbcc]6[/color][color=#f1d6c5]6[/color][color=#e97865]6[/color][color=#eb1a0c]6[/color][color=#ed0f01]6[/color][color=#f51302]6[/color][color=#f91702]66[/color][color=#fb3926]6[/color][color=#fb5743]6[/color][color=#fd6855]6[/color][color=#fca06a]6[/color][color=#fdde25]6[/color][color=#fccd05]6[/color][color=#fab802]6[/color][color=#f2a403]6[/color][color=#e87901]6[/color][color=#e97302]6[/color][color=#d84c03]6[/color][color=#dc0b03]6[/color][color=#f20d03]6[/color][color=#f60f04]6[/color][color=#f80e04]6[/color][color=#f80b03]6[/color][color=#fe0b01]6[/color][color=#ff0d01]6[/color][color=#fe3d2f]6[/color]<br />[color=white]6666[/color][color=#fcdf9c]6[/color][color=#dd8308]6[/color][color=#a95632]6[/color][color=#deb3a2]6[/color][color=#ecd2c0]6[/color][color=#e67161]6[/color][color=#db1206]6[/color][color=#de0c02]6[/color][color=#e70d01]6[/color][color=#f1271a]6[/color][color=#f77f74]6[/color][color=#f9bcb1]6[/color][color=#fce0da]6[/color][color=#fae3dc]6[/color][color=#f8dbd6]6[/color][color=#f2a492]6[/color][color=#f87754]6[/color][color=#fb9c2a]6[/color][color=#fba602]6[/color][color=#faba0f]6[/color][color=#fbca15]6[/color][color=#fdd704]6[/color][color=#fee005]6[/color][color=#fd7605]6[/color][color=#ff1204]66[/color][color=#ff1305]6[/color][color=#fe1104]6[/color][color=#e40801]6[/color][color=#f81301]6[/color][color=#ff1803]6[/color]<br />[color=white]6666[/color][color=#fcefca]6[/color][color=#f8ae05]6[/color][color=#e88703]6[/color][color=#d88945]6[/color][color=#ebc0ab]6[/color][color=#d82b1f]6[/color][color=#dd0c02]6[/color][color=#d80801]6[/color][color=#e02c26]6[/color][color=#f4b4ac]6[/color][color=#fef2ee]6[/color][color=#fff8f6]6[/color][color=#fffaf7]6[/color][color=#fef4f1]6[/color][color=#fe8d80]6[/color][color=#fe2d1b]6[/color][color=#ff1b03]6[/color][color=#fe2b04]6[/color][color=#fd4304]6[/color][color=#f4a66c]6[/color][color=#fff4b9]6[/color][color=#fea019]6[/color][color=#fed007]6[/color][color=#fede0a]6[/color][color=#fc250a]6[/color][color=#fe1405]6[/color][color=#fe1606]6[/color][color=#ff1706]6[/color][color=#ee0f03]6[/color][color=#eb1605]6[/color][color=#ff2509]6[/color][/glow][/size][/move]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />aww fuck, i cant believe youve done this,', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1744, 199, 12, 1272019860, 166, 1744, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'hellgnaw', 'hellgnaw@gmail.com', '77.42.236.220', 1, 0, '', 'Yo, I&#039;m just dropping a line to say that I am interested. I work at home so I&#039;m on &amp; off all day &amp; night &amp; late late night. I&#039;ve played with the regular ctf guys before, alot more under some different name I had that I forgot. I usually ping 200+ but do pretty decent considering.<br /><br />[quote]Name: hellgnaw<br />Country: Lebanon<br />Email contact: I don&#039;t check email<br />Instant Message Contact: I am permanently in #idl now.<br />Regular Availability: On &amp; off all day &amp; night.[/quote]<br /><br />You can be sure to get my attention at irc if you query me. Btw, the MOTD on one of the chicago servers is what enlightened me of the forum/irc, worked well, Thx.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8680, 857, 17, 1363079858, 19, 8680, 'Re: The Downfall of IDL?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '184.1.248.204', 1, 0, '', 'I personally think that in today&#039;s multiplayer gaming landscape, many of the newer players that we are discussing in this topic consider Doom to be more of a novelty and not much to be taken serious. At least, serious to the degree that kept IDL thriving seasons ago. I do not believe that there is a way to really avoid this, that it&#039;s an eventuality.<br /><br />I also think comparing SICL to IDL is unfair, as SICL&#039;s management and policies were essentially nonexistent. Zandronum could be considered another competitive port, sure, but it really lies in the core community of the IDL on what port to use for what seasons. Odamex is becoming more refined over time in a way ZDaemon was not. We have to remember all the issues we had on ZDaemon that at times were [b]preventing[/b] games from happening in the first place. We simply grew accustomed to it.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(317, 34, 26, 1223311487, 7, 320, 'Beginning of the Franchise Era', 'Ladna', 'doomedladna@yahoo.com', '128.255.29.194', 1, 1224295736, 'Ladna', '[b][size=12pt]New Captaining/Team System[/size][/b]<br />This was done independently of the board, but the board unanimously agreed this was a good idea after the fact.&nbsp; The following changes were made to the captaining/team system:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]The number of teams has been cut from 12 to 8, 2 teams to a division, 2 divisions per conference, and 2 conferences total.[/li]<br />[li]The names of teams are pre-set (see [url=http://www.intldoomleague.org/forums/index.php?topic=35.msg318#msg318]http://www.intldoomleague.org/forums/index.php?topic=35.msg318#msg318[/url]).[/li]<br />[li]Captains will be assigned to a team for at least 2 seasons.&nbsp; Captains with losing records (&lt; .500) 2 seasons in a row will be dismissed in favor of different captains.[/li]<br />[li]Each captain of a team will be allowed to &quot;sign&quot; a player for up to 2 seasons.&nbsp; After two seasons, the captain must release that player back into the draft pool, but is free to draft that player as usual.[/li]<br />[li]At the end of each season, the captains must dismiss 2 of their players back into the draft pool.[/li]<br />[li]Draft order is determined by last season&#039;s record.&nbsp; For example, the team that wins the Masterbowl drafts last, the team that lost the Masterbowl drafts second to last and so on.&nbsp; The initial draft order will be fully random.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[b][size=12pt]Demo Penalties[/size][/b]<br />The board voted to change the demo penalties thusly:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]First Infraction: Player sits out 3 minutes or until 1st flag of the next round.(Power Play)[/li]<br />[li]Second Infraction: Player sits out an entire round.[/li]<br />[li]Third Infraction: Player is ejected from the league.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[b][size=12pt]IDL WAD[/size][/b]<br />The board decided to create an IDL WAD which will consist of 32 maps selected from<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]32in24-4final.wad[/li]<br />[li]32in24-7.wad[/li]<br />[li]odactf1.wad[/li]<br />[li]zdctfmp1/2/3.wad[/li]<br />[li]zductf.wad[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />The maps selected can be found at [url=http://www.intldoomleague.org/forums/index.php?topic=33.msg316#msg316]http://www.intldoomleague.org/forums/index.php?topic=33.msg316#msg316[/url].<br /><br />[b][size=12pt]Attendance/Scheduling[/size][/b]<br />The board decided that between hand-picking captains and inviting players, attendance should not be as much an issue as previous seasons.<br /><br />The board did agree that captains are required to agree on a game date and time by the end of Tuesday (12am EST/EDT).&nbsp; All scheduling discussions and agreements are to take place on a designed forum thread for that week.&nbsp; NO OTHER COMMUNICATION, INCLUDING IRC LOGS will be considered when punishing captains for failing to schedule.&nbsp; Both captains must agree to a date and time.<br /><br />[b][size=12pt]Server Selection[/size][/b]<br />The board decided that there will only be one IDL server, TotalTrash.&nbsp; The board has not decided what happens if TotalTrash is unavailable.<br /><br />[b][size=12pt]Winter 2009 Schedule[/size][/b]<br />Ralphis has submitted a potential W2009 Schedule to the board, and while the board has approved the masterbowl map, the rest of the schedule has yet to be approved.<br /><br />[b][size=12pt]Trading[/size][/b]<br /><br />[b]Early Season[/b]<br />There&#039;s been some discussion of trading players, draft picks, and homefield picks.&nbsp; The current consensus (meaning Ralphis, mikehail and Ladna) is:<br /><br />All trades are commissioner approved and will be recorded publicly.<br />Trading during pre-season (between Draft and Week 1) and off-season is unlimited.<br />Each team is allowed 1 trade per week during Week 1, 2, 3 and 4.&nbsp; Trading will end Week 4 at 11:59pm Wednesday.&nbsp; We are discussing only allowing trades on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday to allow teams time to practice.<br />No trading is allowed during the playoffs.<br /><br />[b]Mid-Season[/b]<br />The board generally agreed that mid-season trading would not occur in W2009, but there was no vote.<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1931, 223, 12, 1276402554, 19, 1931, 'Re: Post Draft Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Xenaero link=topic=223.msg1901#msg1901 date=1275084795]<br />I withdraw from the IDL, find some other dude to cap for ebl<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1854, 218, 12, 1274496319, 130, 1854, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[b]* Xenaero - Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />Whiteboy. I really don&#039;t have any idea why he&#039;d pick anyone else. Mike has plans to not show up or practice at all and Stall is the worst franchise. Case closed. Don&#039;t blow it Xen.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Xen has to draft Whiteboy567[/i]<br />Other options - killing himself and going to hell<br /><br />[b]* Goatface* - Doom Raiders[/b]<br /><br />If Xen does what Xen should do then Goat is in a bad place. I guess you can pickup Stallion and hope he plays smarter. Blair is good on D but he&#039;s a pinger too usually. Rus is infrequent and Josh is a pinger. I really have no idea what I&#039;d do if I were Goat. Bribe Kist to move TT to Idaho and draft Rudy maybe.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Goat drafts ItalianStallion.[/i]<br />Other options - Bribes<br /><br />[b]* Tai - Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />Tai should get a defender. It&#039;s the consensus. He&#039;s very good mid and he needs like, KB, Rus, even Collision if he&#039;ll show. He can cover a lof of ground if his D is solid.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Tai drafts Rus, both buttz.[/i]<br />Other options - KB, Collision<br /><br />[b]* Jenova* - Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />Who cares Jen is crap. I hope he drafts miek and benches him.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Jen drafts some skullfag.[/i]<br />Other options - KB, miek, mantis<br /><br />[b]* Nostar* - Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />I&#039;m drafting Ladna.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Nostar drafts Ladna.[/i]<br />Other options - Potent aliasing as Ladna<br /><br />[b]* LordBritish* - Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />Dude can&#039;t play IDL with a 300 ping. He needs a new connection.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]LB drafts a new connection.[/i]<br />Other options - Hatred, Lebron<br /><br />[b]* Shadow Ghost - Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />I hope Ghost does some good things. Get Mid and make a strong team with Mid and...Saber, or Mid and....Rott. Sorry Ghost you have to D a lot this season.<br /><br />Prediction -[i] Shadow drafts MidKid.[/i]<br />Other options - Extra meat, cheese, or mayo.<br /><br />[b]* Ralphis - Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />Ralph says he&#039;ll draft new dudes but we&#039;ll see. He&#039;s primed to get a couple of mid range players so we&#039;ll see if he passes up the strongest 3rd for training rookies. I don&#039;t think he will.<br /><br />Prediction - [i]Ralphis drafts some vet like Rott or Mantis.[/i]<br />Other options - Hatred, Ladna if I wasn&#039;t stealing him !!!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1575, 179, 11, 1267209284, 10, 1575, 'Politics and stuff', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', 'What I&#039;ve learned the most from this thread so far is that Fastidious is a bit of an ignorant loud mouth.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />There is some truth to all your ranting but a lot of it is wrong too.&nbsp; I think the main truth is I doubt the IDL will change, the board will argue and Ralph will resist everything like usual.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />What evidence do you have that I &quot;resist everything like usual&quot;? I have rarely shot down any ideas that the board gets together on, talks out, and wants to vote through. If I feel talks on a rule change or issue haven&#039;t gone as far as they could and there&#039;s more to be had, I&#039;ll usually veto premature votes. I&#039;ve done my best to continually try and change the league for the better. <br /><br />So when do I resist everything like usual? Is it because I disagreed with you seasons ago when you wanted the administration to assign values to IDL players and institute some type of salary cap and you threw a fit because I said it was a bad idea because I didn&#039;t think the IDL should be ranking players? Almost every time you specify what you feel are flaws with the IDL, it comes packaged with a veiled &quot;Ralph is a closed minded jerk that can&#039;t run the league&quot;. If that&#039;s what you want to say, then say it Fastidious.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]Most people resist changes on grounds which often can be tough to argue against, but the fact is debating and winning arguments isn&#039;t what should decide how a league is run.&nbsp; A good example is the 3v2 rule and all that unfairness which seems to have stuck around because people are afraid a team will only field two good players all season.&nbsp; Sure that is possible but everyone will notice if that happens and most players on an IDL team would not be for being benched all season just so the two best could 2v2 all the matches.&nbsp; Gotta give the player base the benefit of the doubt and roll back some of the more anal rules which are super competitive.[/quote]<br /><br />We should forfeit any team that can&#039;t get three players on at game time. If you can&#039;t field three players, then you need to fix your team by either trading for a reliable player or by dropping a player if it&#039;s after the trading deadline. I hope this rule change takes effect for Summer 2010 onward.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />Ladna, Ralph loves franchising I think.&nbsp;  :-\\<br />[/quote]<br />Other people have the power to get rid of franchising and it&#039;s obviously being discussed, but [i][b]I&#039;m a dictator[/b][/i] :-\\ <br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />The IDL should be more flexible and understanding and not so competitive all the time.&nbsp; A good example this season is DMR and BSK.&nbsp; Shak got Chow who is a top player all around and DMR got LB who is fairly good, both weren&#039;t even signed up for the league.&nbsp; Both decisions are great and I commend the IDL for flexibility and doing things it often has not dared to in the past to bring players in.&nbsp; Yet let us compare what happened on BSK and DMR to EBL&#039;s current situation.&nbsp; EBL could really use help to turn their season around yet the teams given the leg up are better than EBL.&nbsp; This is where IDL politics come into play.&nbsp; EBL didn&#039;t get special help and this is pretty unfair.&nbsp; They played by the rules and are going to die by them too.&nbsp;  The IDL plays favorites over and over again each season.&nbsp; You can argue fine details, etc but what counts is the end result.&nbsp; How would EBL be doing now if they had managed to convince the IDL to give them LB instead of strangle?&nbsp; The UD conspiracy is still going strong as well!&nbsp;  ;D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Pray tell, what POLITICS went on here? BSK&#039;s captain dropped out hours before the draft and we needed a replacement. The board had an emergency meeting and they decided that if Shakal would captain that cha0tix would be allowed in past the invite deadline. Was cha0tix going to honestly franchise with EBL? <br /><br />Half of DMR is currently still MIA. Their entire state enveloped in a sheet of ice; we still don&#039;t know the status of those two guys and if they&#039;re even breathing (God forbid). This happened after half of the season was over. Do you feel that DMR should&#039;ve had to continue on only being able to field Blair and Jenova all season or is that just POLITICS?<br /><br />Teams that ask for help usually get it. Xenaero tried to help himself and work out his team&#039;s issues and I commend him for that. Xenaero may have made some poor mistakes in the draft this season, he&#039;s surely aware of it, and he did his best to try and fix it.<br /><br />So tell me Fastidious, where were the POLITICS in these decisions? These moves were made and approved by the board to try and help out those who were in uncommon conditions (captains dropping out and/or 50% of rosters disappearing overnight), not to get over on people because of any types of affiliations outside the league.<br /><br />If you never ask for help, why should you expect it? <br /><br />We all know that you&#039;re [i]clearly[/i] the #1 talent evaluator in the league Fastidious. Maybe, prior to each season, we can have you rank our captains and players by weakness and we can baby the &quot;weak&quot; through the season. Most people have a good idea of what they&#039;re getting into as a captain in the IDL, do you think THEY want to have training wheels?<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]The IDL plays favorites over and over again each season.[/quote]<br /><br />Since last Winter, with the formation of the board, the adoption of the Franchise system, and other changes, please tell me when the IDL has played favorites. Provide examples please.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />I&#039;d be against 4v4 due to increased logistics and less teams in the league by far.&nbsp; I think it&#039;d be cool if teams could agree to 4v4 however, why not?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s about standardization. It&#039;s much easier for the people that run the league, the captains, and the players to organize week to week knowing that they&#039;re going to play a standardized game. Why not let two players TDM in ZDDL instead of playing a 1on1? It&#039;s a standardized format to make it easier for everybody to know what to expect week to week.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />Also we should use SmartCTF, the maps are badass, seriously.&nbsp; If you haven&#039;t played them 3v3 yet you are missing out.&nbsp; They are designed with a much different attitude in mind than most CTF maps.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />New maps are looked at in depth before every Winter season and I&#039;m sure SmartCTF, along with some other new wads, will get a look for next Winter&#039;s wad (provided it&#039;s finished).', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1881, 218, 12, 1274741662, 130, 1881, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Just so we&#039;re clear on things, I&#039;m just gonna put this out there and let all players know.&nbsp; I&#039;m not very well at losing 3v3.&nbsp; I don&#039;t crack under pressure.&nbsp; I can get it done in priv because I&#039;m not Xen and have no flaws.&nbsp; Look at last season. I can play with two of the least coachable people ever and do a hell of a job!&nbsp; I deed it, I didn&#039;t mind.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t think that I should have to reply to faggots posting about my D when I&#039;ve won IDL more times than they&#039;ve been laid.&nbsp; I just beat people. :P<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1978, 226, 12, 1277563566, 16, 1978, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.36.2.41', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=226.msg1974#msg1974 date=1277395393]<br />No one cares about tennis.<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2006, 228, 12, 1278437764, 15, 2006, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.95.88', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23275744/BSKvsSPEwk4.108.rar]http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23275744/BSKvsSPEwk4.108.rar[/url]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2035, 232, 12, 1278736048, 8, 2035, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '173.48.68.128', 1, 0, '', 'Just gonna throw it out there that Denny was a pretty dedicated captain last season. We lost because we weren&#039;t the better team. I have no complaints about last season.<br /><br />As for franchising, to me things were becoming a bit stale. It&#039;s not the repealing of franchising that created these shitty teams, its the horrible captains. Some of them haven&#039;t had a decent team in god knows when, but they are kept around. Most of them are just plain stupid. I don&#039;t know how many times I&#039;ve said this, but better players need to step up and captain. You know, those people that go first and second in the draft. ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2053, 228, 12, 1278818656, 69, 2053, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '76.178.184.215', 1, 0, '', 'http://rapidshare.com/files/406260666/week4.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2155, 240, 12, 1280962000, 20, 2155, 'Re: Week 8 (Jul 26 - Aug 1) : 32in24-4 MAP31 (MAP31) - Discussion and Results', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.82.179', 1, 0, '', 'Thanks and good job again... Fluffles gets the win in his first IDL start and I&#039;ll end the season undefeated as captain&nbsp; ;D ... Now next year, I might try to do it for more than one game&nbsp; ;)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3914, 406, 14, 1302529685, 15, 3914, 'Re: Regular Season Discussion', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '68.171.231.80', 1, 0, '', 'I still would rather the 3v3 format over a 4v4. Not only is 4v4 more of a fuckfest, but scheduling 6 players is hard enough. Especially with me or dev in the lineups :P.&nbsp; I personally would rather a less amount of teams just for the sake of playing at least every team once.&nbsp; I was really disappointed that I couldn&#039;t beat nostar this season :(', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(4545, 483, 16, 1313123886, 163, 4545, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.34.211.227', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ve got a map that&#039;s like 75% done but I know I&#039;m not going to have time to work on it until August 16th, anyway you can throw me a bone and extend this another week? ', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1576, 179, 11, 1267211013, 0, 1576, 'Politics and stuff', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.241.169', 1, 0, '', 'OK here it comes, I am surprised you managed to hold back so long.&nbsp; Ralph I&#039;ve been talking to you to try new IDL ideas since season fucking 2.&nbsp; Almost none of them have been tried.&nbsp; I&#039;ve had lots of crazy ideas and some I think are rather sound.&nbsp; It is sort of pathetic it takes a huge out pouring of many players from the league for people to get heard.&nbsp; People have been vehemently arguing against 3v2 for instance for ages yet were in the past just ignored.<br /><br />It is IDL politics, if you can&#039;t understand that it is sad you are so influential on the league.&nbsp; There have been many unfair decisions season after season without justification.&nbsp; I just wanted to bring up a recent example where two teams were given a lot of help while a certain other one was not.&nbsp; EBL played by the rules, BSK and DMR had them bent in their favor, it is as simple as that.&nbsp; I know they are special cases but the point is, why should a special case be the only one where teams are allowed flexibility to regain their competitiveness?&nbsp; Results are what matter to me.<br /><br />I also probably am a big jerk but I still think Doomguy and Dragan just gave up on the league.&nbsp; I don&#039;t believe they&#039;ve been iced back into the stone age.&nbsp; It&#039;s been almost a month now hasn&#039;t it?&nbsp; If indeed they are in such bad shape I&#039;ll apologize.<br /><br />I don&#039;t want to rank anyone Ralph, I just want to try new things and that was one I thought was really interesting.&nbsp; It would make trading much more viable and teams wouldn&#039;t be allowed to conspire much since bidding would force their hand.&nbsp; I know you think the IDL right now is some market but it is not, it&#039;s a secret back room of politics.&nbsp; The IDL has made some fucking terrible decisions and most of them are driven by elitist and competitive interests.&nbsp; As the league goes on you see this more and more.&nbsp; I think what Dew hinted at in his post is somewhat true in this regard.&nbsp; The franchise rule is officially implementing politics into the IDL rules.&nbsp; The invite only list is politics officially coming into the IDL.&nbsp; These are driven by people like you Ralphis who want to exclude and have more power over people.&nbsp; I know you hate the IDL board as well since it takes power away from you.<br /><br />I haven&#039;t really followed the league much since last season(if you didn&#039;t notice I sort of went on a break) but the example I already listed are pretty obvious.&nbsp; If you can&#039;t admit that is politics then I don&#039;t know what to tell you.&nbsp; Why wasn&#039;t Xen offered to choose a player not on the reserve list for instance?&nbsp; I am happy LB got on DMR don&#039;t get me wrong but stuff like this happens more than the IDL will admit.&nbsp; In the past it often happened before the mid season draft when some team needed a new guy and couldn&#039;t wait, they&#039;d get a new player, but not top talent from the mid season draft.<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=178.msg1575#msg1575 date=1267209284]<br />Why not let two players TDM in ZDDL instead of playing a 1on1?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Are you joking here?&nbsp; CTF is a team game, ZDDL is duel, do you not see the difference?&nbsp; We play 3v3, 4v4 and up in private all the time.&nbsp; There is no schedule difference for a 3v3 or 4v4, if both teams have 4 and want to play 4v4, why not?&nbsp; Everyone gets to play then.&nbsp; Isn&#039;t that what the IDL is about?&nbsp; I guess not.&nbsp; Ralph to you the IDL is about winning at all costs, conspiring to victory and rigging the rules in your favor.&nbsp; I want to have a lot of fucking fun and I still believe the best way to do that is make the goal of having IDL seasons end up with every team .500 records.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(7315, 715, 17, 1345425156, 267, 7315, 'Re: I''m banned', 'RecKle$$_', 'Aesthesic@hotmail.com', '189.135.207.219', 1, 0, '', 'hey international drama league ___WHO CARES____ More oda priv and less drama pls', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8704, 859, 17, 1363222576, 36, 8704, 'Re: IDL Port Preference Poll', 'HeX', 'mdvulture@yahoo.com', '75.0.228.154', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Watermelon link=topic=859.msg8702#msg8702 date=1363222452]<br />I wish there was an option for &quot;Fine with any port&quot;<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(373, 35, 26, 1227224268, 97, 373, 'Re: Teams', 'Dosu', 'red_moy_shark@hotmail.com', '189.146.171.129', 1, 0, '', 'Mike TAIson is a BUMPER!', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1855, 218, 12, 1274502835, 147, 1855, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', '[b]* Xenaero - Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />Whiteboy is definately not the right pick here.&nbsp; Last year he was simply a product of the great system Ladna had in place, and now that he quit doom, he&#039;s bound to be rusty.&nbsp; Nothing but disaster if Xen picks Whiteboy here.&nbsp; Not really though.<br /><br />Predicition - Xen picks Whiteboy<br />Other Options - Having first pick again next season<br /><br />[b]* Goatface* - Doom Raiders[/b]<br /><br />Being in the same division as Ralphis means you have to have good D if you want to win.&nbsp; Who are the best D left after White?&nbsp; Stall and Rus.<br /><br />Prediction - Goat drafts Stall<br />Other options - Goat drafts Rus<br /><br />[b]* Tai - Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />Tai&#039;s usually pretty stupid.&nbsp; That being said he runs kinda fast and shoots kinda good, so I think he should take the best player available at this point.&nbsp; Who is the best player available?&nbsp; Rus, mid, miek.&nbsp; Someone like that<br /><br />Prediction - Tai drafts miek (much to the dismay of both he and Nostar)<br />Other options - mid, Rus, Saber<br /><br />[b]* Jenova* - Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />Jen and Rus have ST connection.<br /><br />Prediction - Jen picks Rus.<br />Other options - Hatred, Mantis<br /><br />[b]* Nostar* - Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />Nostar will lobby Ralph pretty hard to let him get JKist or Potent.&nbsp; If he can&#039;t get either of them he will probably quit.<br /><br />Actually, Nostar is a sleazeball and since I got fucked and he is in my division and picks immediately before me, he will probably take whoever he knows I want.<br /><br />Prediction - Nostar drafts whoever I want, and if the draft shapes up as it has so far, that will be somebody like Hatred, Mantis or Josh.<br />Other options - Quitting IDL forever and forfeiting the division since I beat you in that one priv game and won that bet (this is a sound plan).&nbsp; <br /><br />[b]* LordBritish* - Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />If Nostar forfeits the division I&#039;ll take Sunoska.<br /><br />Prediction - Nostar forfeits the division and LordBritish drafts Sunoska.<br />Other Options - Struggling to get by with whoever Nostar doesn&#039;t hatedraft from me.<br /><br />[b]* Shadow Ghost - Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />Denny is a scrooge.&nbsp; He will probably try to draft bones or MB before he realizes they are not in the pool.&nbsp; I think Saber is a pretty good fit here.&nbsp; He is crafty, and Denny will probably overlook Gyross because of his North American Supremacy.<br /><br />Prediction - Denny drafts Saber<br />Other options - Gyross, Rott, KB, Josh/Hatred/Mantis<br /><br />[b]* Ralphis - Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />Ralph is a dynamic player.&nbsp; What is the best way to support a dynamic player?&nbsp; A solid, reliable, smart player who you know will be active.&nbsp; Who is that? Ladna.&nbsp; This is a no-brainer to me, assuming Nostar is bluffing.<br /><br />Prediction - Ralphis drafts Ladna<br />Other options - mid, KB, some young buck.<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8732, 851, 29, 1363561172, 145, 8732, 'Re: March ''13 Open Tournament Matches and Results', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '81.159.143.57', 1, 0, '', 'Just to classify me n dragon will be able to play next friday 22nd', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(319, 35, 26, 1223330171, 17, 319, 'Re: Teams', 'MionicDonut', 'Sparx7300@yahoo.com', '24.15.219.181', 1, 0, '', 'Those names are awesome.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1979, 225, 12, 1277583773, 2, 1979, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'ggs bsk, see you in playoffs cuz I am sure you guys will beat out fls and spe :P<br /><br />[URL=http://img34.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100626130749.png/][IMG]http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/2628/ctf20100626130749.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img17.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100626131451.png/][IMG]http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3761/ctf20100626131451.png[/img][/URL]<br />', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2007, 225, 12, 1278444075, 169, 2007, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'OurHero', 'dereksoma@msn.com', '96.51.72.242', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23277331/idlvsdmr.108.zdo<br /><br />my demo from week 3', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2172, 245, 1, 1281156493, 28, 2172, 'Re: Ralphis responds to a jabroni', 'kandy_kid', 'matt.dauber@gmail.com', '174.56.21.121', 1, 0, '', 'im not in trying to bash the zd coders btw, they allowed me to have great times in zd (the best i&#039;ve ever had in any online game) i dont care if they read this or not but we had/have a great port to play countless priv&#039;s on and those games will never leave our minds. Its just the way that they handle things that pisses me off, i&#039;d much rather associate my time with ppl that speak the truth than waste my time tip toeing around admins.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2054, 233, 12, 1278821037, 19, 2054, 'Re: Week 5 (Jul 5 - Jul 12) : ZDECTF2-01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/100710/1278820916.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/100710/1278820920.png[/img]<br /><br />http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23331757/EBLvsKGBweek5map20.zip<br /><br />ggs! Intense games.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(2088, 226, 12, 1278966797, 35, 2088, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Jenova link=topic=226.msg2083#msg2083 date=1278918774]<br />[quote author=Tony link=topic=226.msg2065#msg2065 date=1278850637]<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=226.msg1978#msg1978 date=1277563566]<br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=226.msg1974#msg1974 date=1277395393]<br />No one cares about tennis.<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(3785, 410, 14, 1300318287, 130, 3785, 'Re: Free wins....', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '38.109.187.5', 1, 1300318393, 'nostar', '[quote author=Solar_Flare link=topic=410.msg3781#msg3781 date=1300317223]<br />I remember hearing about you hanging around Quake, kinda interesting that you&#039;d play Quake but not ZD. I&#039;d think that you would at least be spotted in pub or at the very least come to the IDL channel and say hi, but I guess not.<br /><br />Forgot to mention that you were even on Quakenet IRC but were in a bunch of other channels but not the IDL channel.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Then ask instead of insinuating things like an idiot. I played quake a for like 1 month, and that was after I was already playing doom, had setup my classes and finished moving. Also quake is way easier to install on another computer. It&#039;s web-based and less important that I do well. Seriously quit monitoring me, it&#039;s creepy.<br /><br />The reason I hung out on qnet is to keep TT running. I have a phone that runs IRC, it was quite easy. Anyone who would have needed to get a hold of me certainly could have.<br /><br />Seriously if you guys think that losing made me leave doom you&#039;re just being short-sighted. The first 2 seasons I was in IDL I lost in the exact same place I lost in season 8. 50% of my IDL seasons have ended that way actually. The other 50% have ended in wins.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(318, 35, 26, 1223311529, 7, 318, 'Teams', 'Ladna', 'doomedladna@yahoo.com', '128.255.29.194', 1, 0, '', 'These are the team names we&#039;ve decided on:<br /><br />Spread Eagles<br />Berserker Packers<br />Killing Browns<br />Electric Bills<br />Brokeback Cowboys<br />Flag Steelers<br />Super Chargers<br />Doom Raiders', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8745, 518, 30, 1363745970, 214, 8745, 'Re: IDL Radio', 'RustInPeace', 'ru5tk1ng@yahoo.com', '98.197.197.44', 1, 0, '', 'Hey, how about we revive IDL Radio????', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1746, 198, 12, 1272071376, 69, 1746, 'Re: Accepting Captain Bids', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '98.145.84.84', 1, 1272140907, 'Goatface', 'I submit my bid.&nbsp; <br />NB: I&#039;m going to be gone for [s]two weeks[/s] 8 days from about [s]June 18th-July 2nd[/s] June 20th-28th(approximate dates) but I&#039;ll do my best to have a team prepared to play without me.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1580, 179, 11, 1267220882, 147, 1580, 'Politics and stuff', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'Shit I keep forgetting stuff:<br /><br />8.) Tourettes skin should be mandatory in IDL', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1582, 179, 11, 1267224720, 75, 1582, 'Politics and stuff', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.157', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=178.msg1580#msg1580 date=1267220882]<br />Shit I keep forgetting stuff:<br /><br />8.) Tourettes skin should be mandatory in IDL<br />[/quote]<br />http://wadhost.fathax.com/files/tourettesvox.zip', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(312, 31, 26, 1222670576, 7, 324, 'Formation of the IDL Board', 'Ladna', 'doomedladna@yahoo.com', '12.217.206.40', 1, 1226173114, 'Ladna', 'The board members are:<br /><br />Goatface<br />HumanBones<br />Ladna<br />Mikehail<br />MionicDonut<br /><br />Ralphis is acting commissioner, and Ladna is head of the board.<br /><br />Please note that the role of the commissioner and board head is to execute IDL policy and deal with situations as they arise.&nbsp; The board cannot arbitrarily make IDL policy, and cannot make decisions without a vote.&nbsp; Please direct all critical questions (like &quot;OMFG I can&#039;t find the other captain to schedule with&quot;) to either Ralphis or Ladna.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(8412, 831, 18, 1360898810, 8, 8412, 'Week 6 Gametimes', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'BSK vs SUC: Sunday @ 6:00pm EST<br />BBC vs BAD: Monday @ 8:00pm EST<br />WAD vs KNF: Monday @ 9:30pm EST<br />SXP vs KGB: TBD (likely Sunday)', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1933, 222, 12, 1276428181, 168, 1933, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Caution', 'jake.281@hotmail.com', '67.82.61.167', 1, 0, '', 'My Week 1 Demo - http://www.speedyshare.com/files/22933558/2010.06.12_22.34.06_idl2010h.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1533, 176, 11, 1266888772, 7, 1588, 'Missing Demos', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1267253713, 'Ladna', 'Here&#039;s a list of missing demos.&nbsp; Please upload them ASAP.&nbsp; If you posted a link to the forums and I didn&#039;t see it, let me know.&nbsp; I think I was pretty thorough when I went through though, but it&#039;s still possible I missed it.&nbsp; There was some weirdness about BSK vs. SUC Week 6 (the infamous 2v1), but I guess that&#039;s fixed now.&nbsp; However, I was right about BBC (eat it miek).<br /><br />Week 3	DMR vs. BSK Beast<br />Week 3	KGB vs. EBL midian<br /><br />Week 4	EBL vs. FLS midian<br /><br />Week 5	DMR vs. FLS Jenova<br />Week 5	DMR vs. FLS Whiteboy567<br />Week 5	EBL vs. SPE midian<br /><br />Week 6	BSK vs. SUC Shakal<br /><br />Week 7	BSK vs. FLS Beast<br />Week 7	BSK vs. FLS cha0tix<br />Week 7	BSK vs. FLS Shakal<br />Week 7	BSK vs. FLS Whiteboy567<br />Week 7	DMR vs. SPE Killingblair<br />Week 7	DMR vs. SPE LordBritish<br />Week 7	DMR vs. SPE METALBLACK<br />Week 7	EBL vs. SUC Fastidious<br />Week 7	EBL vs. SUC midian<br /><br />BSK: 5 (2 without Week 7)<br />EBL: 5 (3 without Week 7, [color=red][b]WHICH ARE ALL MIDIAN[/b][/color])<br />DMR: 3 (1 without Week 7)<br />FLS: 2 (1 without Week 7)<br />SPE: 1 (0 without Week 7)<br /><br />I updated the list to exclude DG, Dragan, Goatface, and Acolyte - and I added the missing Week 7 demos as well.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1585, 179, 11, 1267232320, 10, 1585, 'Politics and stuff', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Chain link=topic=178.msg1584#msg1584 date=1267230949]<br />[u][b]I. League Format[/b][/u]<br />What needs to be done away with is the franchise system and the excruciating length of the season. ~3 months is a long time to try and keep motivating yourself to play the game. The longer a season goes, the higher the chances are that there will be scheduling conflicts and so forth. A holiday falling on a match deadline, like Saturday or Sunday has happened before and will keep happening as long as the season drags for 1/4 of the year.[/quote]<br /><br />The IDL season really isn&#039;t that long. Even to the title game, it doesn&#039;t span three complete months. The regular season barely exceeds 2 months alone (This regular season started Jan. 4 and ends Mar 7) and teams are eliminated fairly quickly after that leading to the title game. <br /><br />I [i]personally[/i] feel like 9 weeks is a solid regular season. It allows teams enough time to flesh out how they operate. We&#039;ve seen teams start badly and finish strong towards the end of the regular season before. This is a league after all, not a monthly tournament. <br /><br />A regular season in the IDL takes up 17% of the year. If you count through until the title game, it can take up to a potential 23%. However, only eight players league wide will ever make it the full 12 weeks.<br /><br />[quote author=Chain link=topic=178.msg1584#msg1584 date=1267230949]<br />The maps in this league, and in Doom CTF in general, are pure garbage. If it&#039;s true that &quot;comprehensive&quot; playtesting or discussion is performed prior to making a map official, then I&#039;m afraid the &quot;effort&quot; put into that just doesn&#039;t cut it because the maps always end up playing the same.[/quote]<br /><br />Again, this comes down to the age old problem different preferences. Some people like some maps, some hate some maps. I&#039;m sure once SmartCTF, CoreCTF, and whatever other new wads are finished they&#039;ll be looked at. The selection that currently exists is relatively varied.<br /><br />[quote author=Chain link=topic=178.msg1584#msg1584 date=1267230949]<br />An interesting little fact I&#039;ve noticed since starting the SmartCTF project and heavily playtesting it (3v3 with 10+ people rotating between maps and at times for ~2 hours on some nights) is that some of the players named in this thread as being of a &quot;lesser&quot; skill tier have grasped the concept extremely well and are quite good in reality. Don&#039;t get me wrong, the top quality guys still rampage through the maps, but it&#039;s not a guarantee anymore.[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s not a guarantee in current maps either. The problem is that people never use these guys right in general, so they get bad reputations. I&#039;ve seen guys like Roscoe, Legion, Mistopher, Strangle, Killemall, and others (I could go on for a long time) be on 3v3 teams in priv and do very well. They&#039;re usually utilized wrong and most of them have the skills to do something important on almost any map played in the IDL, private CTF, or else where as long as they&#039;re put in the position to do well.<br /><br />If you put Roscoe on D against Bones and Shadow Ghost with no help, what do you think is going to happen?<br /><br />[quote author=Chain link=topic=178.msg1584#msg1584 date=1267230949]Ralphis is banned stuff<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re mostly right about this. I&#039;m sure that my situation has likely held the league back in terms of growth as time has passed and I&#039;m sure a bit of selfishness plays into this on my part. It&#039;s probably best for the league to go public and maybe they will. If the board wants to do this I encourage them to.', 'xx', 1);
INSERT INTO idlsmf_messages
	(id_msg, id_topic, id_board, poster_time, id_member, id_msg_modified, subject, poster_name, poster_email, poster_ip, smileys_enabled, modified_time, modified_name, body, icon, approved)
VALUES 
	(1586, 179, 11, 1267235020, 7, 1586, 'Politics and stuff', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.3.161', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />I think the main truth is I doubt the IDL will change, the board will argue and Ralph will resist everything like usual.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather we try some new things and fail than stick with the same old gig.&nbsp; Lots of people seem to accept the IDL as good enough, but it can be better.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Change in what way?&nbsp; I&#039;d argue that IDL went through a major change in Season 5, mostly all of which was Ralphis&#039; idea.&nbsp; In fact, the only thing I can think of in recent memory he said he&#039;d veto was switching to 4v4.&nbsp; I would also rather avoid a big change that destroys the league as opposed to doing the same thing next season.&nbsp; IDL is good enough, and it can be better.&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t mean we have to overhaul everything every season, that&#039;s madness.&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />Most people resist changes on grounds which often can be tough to argue against, but the fact is debating and winning arguments isn&#039;t what should decide how a league is run.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />What do you mean, &quot;the fact is debating and winning arguments isn&#039;t what should decide how a league is run&quot;?&nbsp; How else are we supposed to decide things?&nbsp; This is how humans operate.&nbsp; Either one person decides what will happen, or multiple people decide what happens.&nbsp; If multiple people are deciding, there are going to be arguments and debates.&nbsp; I don&#039;t see how this is complicated, and I don&#039;t see what you are advocating.&nbsp; Should the board disband and let Ralphis do whatever he wants?&nbsp; Or should we throw Ralphis out?<br /><br />Are you saying that good sense is being shut out by oblique arguments?&nbsp; OK, let&#039;s take the 3v2 issue.&nbsp; We talked about this a little, and we agree that it&#039;s stupid to have these games, but I think it&#039;s better than allowing teams to force 2v2.&nbsp; You think that it would be easy to figure out if teams are doing this, and to just forfeit them.&nbsp; How is it easy to do this?&nbsp; Here&#039;s the options as I see them:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Put a limit on number of 2v2 games[/li]<br />[li]Track down absent players and see if they&#039;re really absent[/li]<br />[li]Just guess[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />These options blow.&nbsp; No limit on 2v2 games will be fair, no one&#039;s going to volunteer to hunt down players who are skipping games (assuming this is even possible), and guessing is obviously retarded.&nbsp; Even worse, it sounds like you want the IDL Administration to arbitrarily forfeit teams by &quot;figuring out&quot; if their players are skipping.&nbsp; Why do you think we would open ourselves to more accusations of favoritism and politics?&nbsp; What we&#039;re actually going to do is require that teams have 3 players, or forfeit.&nbsp; This will cause more forfeits, but it seems like the community prefers that to lame games, and I feel that way also.<br /><br />Do you know why I want explicit, specific and clear rules?&nbsp; Why I want to stick to the rules as strictly as possible?&nbsp; It&#039;s because it is fair.&nbsp; Everyone in IDL knows basically how the league works, and when my friends are like, &quot;come on Ladna, I thought we were cool&quot;, I can say to them, &quot;yeah but rules are rules, and if we do this for you then we have to do it for everyone.&quot;&nbsp; So when we do things like let Cha0tix into the league to play for Shakal, it&#039;s because it didn&#039;t change anything.&nbsp; He wouldn&#039;t have joined the league to play for anyone else, and because he franchised, nobody had the opportunity to pick him from the draft anyway.&nbsp; We debated this up and down, because Chow&#039;s a big douchebag!&nbsp; But we decided that we should do it for the following reasons:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Shakal did us a favor and took over the team with... 6th pick after the franchise deadline[/li]<br />[li]It didn&#039;t change anything for other teams, their franchise decisions wouldn&#039;t have changed[/li]<br />[li]Cha0tix is a strong player, and besides the fact that he makes BSK a competitive team, IDL is where strong players belong - at least we like to think so[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />The situation with DMR was more of an emergency, and it definitely impacted the league.&nbsp; A strong DMR team has the potential to win against WDC teams and change the playoff picture there, thus changing the Masterbowl matchup.&nbsp; This isn&#039;t as clear cut, but I think that saving DMR and pulling LordBritish into the league was the right decision.<br /><br />Of course, the rules don&#039;t give us the license to do any of this.&nbsp; Cha0tix entered the league after the sign-up deadline and franchised after the franchise deadline.&nbsp; DMR should only have been given the option to fill their slots with available free agency players.&nbsp; Ralphis even brought up the point, &quot;don&#039;t you think that someone in free agency is going to feel like we screwed them?&quot;, and they probably do.&nbsp; These were all things we took into consideration before making this decision.&nbsp; In fact, if you look at the post I made, I didn&#039;t even mention LordBritish because we hadn&#039;t asked him yet, and I didn&#039;t want to put him in a position of looking like a big jerk not wanting to join a losing team that lost 2 players to the ice monster.&nbsp; I know such thoughtfulness comes as a surprise, but really, we&#039;re generally not assholes.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />Gotta give the player base the benefit of the doubt and roll back some of the more anal rules which are super competitive.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />The IDL should be more flexible and understanding and not so competitive all the time.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />When are we not understanding?&nbsp; With demo violations?&nbsp; I can&#039;t remember the last demo violation we enforced, which actually puts us in an awkward position if we every try and enforce one.&nbsp; That player is just gonna be like, &quot;So it&#039;s OK if midian never uploads a demo, but my team has to 3v2 for a while?&nbsp; That&#039;s real gay.&quot;&nbsp; Again, this is why we have rules, so we can avoid accusations of favoritism.&nbsp; In fact, we&#039;ve screwed up here, and it&#039;s a perfect example of why being<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />more flexible and understanding and not so competitive all the time.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />opens us up to criticism such as:<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />This is where IDL politics come into play.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />and:<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />The IDL has made some fucking terrible decisions and most of them are driven by elitist and competitive interests.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />and:<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />There have been many unfair decisions season after season without justification.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />When we do go out on a limb, like helping DMR and BSK, we get criticized for not magically poofing another top-tier player for EBL.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />A good example this season is DMR and BSK.&nbsp; Shak got Chow who is a top player all around and DMR got LB who is fairly good, both weren&#039;t even signed up for the league.&nbsp; Both decisions are great and I commend the IDL for flexibility and doing things it often has not dared to in the past to bring players in.&nbsp; Yet let us compare what happened on BSK and DMR to EBL&#039;s current situation.&nbsp; EBL could really use help to turn their season around yet the teams given the leg up are better than EBL.&nbsp; This is where IDL politics come into play.&nbsp; EBL didn&#039;t get special help and this is pretty unfair.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />What would you suggest?&nbsp; It sounds like you&#039;re saying we should&#039;ve just let Shakal have a shitty pick and no Cha0tix, and let DMR pick 2 players from free agency instead of letting LordBritish into the league.&nbsp; Hey that&#039;s fair!<br /><br />Do you really think that the IDL Board likes Shakal?&nbsp; After he&#039;s quit the league 7000 times (once with Cha0tix)?&nbsp; You think we like Jenova - a rookie ex-cheater?&nbsp; You think we like Killingblair, who&#039;s also quit 7000 times?&nbsp; This accusation of favoritism is fucking ridiculous.&nbsp; Why would I, captain of FLS, want a strong BSK in my conference?&nbsp; Why would Ralphis, as captain of SUC, want a strong DMR in his?&nbsp; You should think about what you write before you write it - it&#039;s really easy to accuse people of things, but it&#039;s much more difficult to be a reasonable, proactive person.<br /><br />How do you think these politics work?&nbsp; Ralphis PMs me and is like, &quot;Man I fuckin hate Xenaero so much.&nbsp; No matter what, I want his team to bomb.&nbsp; Fuck that faggot.&quot;&nbsp; Or are we bribed?&nbsp; Did Shakal send me a scarf and a lock of his hair?&nbsp; I mean, FLS barely even practices.&nbsp; For a guy who cares enough about IDL to rig the shit out of the league, I sure don&#039;t seem like I&#039;m concerned.&nbsp; In fact, if I didn&#039;t think that more people share your opinion, I&#039;d just laugh at you.&nbsp; On one hand the board is incompetent, on the other we&#039;re scheming like crazy for... what exactly?&nbsp; If you don&#039;t remember, Nostar&#039;s teams won the last two seasons.&nbsp; Maybe we&#039;re both scheming AND incompetent!&nbsp; Christ.&nbsp; Like I said, you should think about what you write before you write it.&nbsp; We&#039;re constantly trying to make the league fair, fun, and highly competitive.&nbsp; I think this is obvious.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />Also we should use SmartCTF, the maps are badass, seriously.&nbsp; If you haven&#039;t played them 3v3 yet you are missing out.&nbsp; They are designed with a much different attitude in mind than most CTF maps.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is what I&#039;m looking for.&nbsp; I welcome suggestions about how we can make things better, or even times when we&#039;ve failed so we can avoid failing next time.&nbsp; But these insane accusations of playing politics and favorites are counterproductive, harmful, and baseless.&nbsp; I&#039;m actually offended, not for myself, but because the other board members and Ralphis all put forth a huge good faith effort, and to have someone who won&#039;t even captain reduce it down to a bunch of incompetent, scheming assholes is intolerable.&nbsp; Do something, or shaddap already.', 'xx', 1);
