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	(8836, 870, 17, 1364861434, 2303, 8836, 'Re: ThatsJustPrime is New Board Member', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'We should let Nostar on the board if he comes back.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1856, 209, 12, 1274509607, 130, 1856, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ll be honest, I&#039;ve seen some smart guys D and have little success. And I&#039;ve see some of the best shots D and have little success. I&#039;m pretty good at D so I&#039;ll tell you what I think makes a difference.<br /><br />1.) Does your team suck ass?<br /><br />If you answered yes to question one, your D will be crap. You can be a tornado of murder and awesomeness but 3 guys running at you for 10 or 15 minutes is just bad odds. So setup your mid in a smart way, put your strong fragging players there and push up to mid as often as you can. This is called a grind and gives you both the maximum amount of encounters with their offense and allows you to help out your runner. You can call this positioning if you want, I call it helping. Currently the most successful strategy in this dumb game is grinding. When you&#039;re playing at a high level in any sport this seems to be the norm.<br /><br />2.) Can you shoot at all?<br /><br />If you answered no to question two you are also fucked. You can have cheater prediction but if you can&#039;t aim you can&#039;t D. It&#039;s very very very fucking important. Never leave Legion on D. I would say that at a minimum you need Ladna.<br /><br />3.) Can you keep track of deaths (obituaries) ?<br /><br />Defense has to keep track of people. Plain and simple. The best defense is a defense that helps his team manage the middle [b]while keeping track of his opponent&#039;s offense[/b]. What I mean is that if you haven&#039;t seen their primary offense in let&#039;s say...20 seconds, you&#039;ve been tricked. Go clear your base and for fucks sake spam help until it&#039;s all your teammates can possibly see on their screen.<br /><br />-------------<br /><br />I wanna pause and say that I don&#039;t expect any of you the get better at anything. If you&#039;re reading this great. If it helps you, great! This is how I defend. I also use rockets and plasma which I guess people disagree with. I&#039;ll explain those choices a little so you can decide if they are for you.<br /><br />Why spam?<br /><br />Well I can think of a couple of reasons. First, It&#039;s really fun. I enjoy rocket spamming. Specifically when I throw a random rocket down a hallway and LB runs smack into it, regardless of how easy it would have been to avoid. It&#039;s just really funny to me. The second and more useful reason is that IF YOU DO IT AT THE RIGHT TIME AND PLACE it allows you to occupy at least one player in a known location, and if successful, allows the defense to push back multiple opponents more effectively than fighting 2v1 with your trusty shotgun. Should you spam? How the fuck should I know. I do and I&#039;m successful with it.<br /><br />Now I know many of these things are map dependent. Sometimes mid isn&#039;t as important, sometimes your team isn&#039;t your fault, connection spiking...blah blah blah. All of these things have happened to me also. The idea behind most of this is to not let your team go (at best) 1-on-1 with their counterparts. Usually the offense is forced to go 1-on-3 anyway. You, as the defense should be active in trying to lop side the battles to your benefit. Do as many things effectively as you can. Also find this out through practice. Good christ practice your ass off. None of you are good enough to not practice except like...White, who probably cheats to be honest. <br /><br />Good luck!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1792, 172, 26, 1273863159, 19, 1792, 'Re: Team Color Assignments', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'This rule is ridiculous to me. That people care so much about what team color they get is just...Man. [b]why[/b]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2008, 228, 12, 1278484514, 163, 2008, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/23282581/DMR_KGB-Hatred.108.zdo', 'xx', 1);
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	(6308, 617, 20, 1330347763, 0, 6308, 'Re: Week 9 Boycott Thread', 'capodecima', '', '194.228.150.205', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Tony link=topic=617.msg6305#msg6305 date=1330329265]<br />how mad are you bros?<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/MxQ3Gl.png[/img]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />lol cl_maxdecals 1, NOOB ! ! !', 'xx', 1);
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	(2089, 226, 12, 1278967189, 19, 2089, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://sportzfun.com/photos/albums/tennis/tennis_flasher.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2101, 226, 12, 1279051701, 49, 2101, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Whiteboy567 link=topic=226.msg2088#msg2088 date=1278966797]<br />[quote author=Jenova link=topic=226.msg2083#msg2083 date=1278918774]<br />[quote author=Tony link=topic=226.msg2065#msg2065 date=1278850637]<br />[quote author=Tai link=topic=226.msg1978#msg1978 date=1277563566]<br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=226.msg1974#msg1974 date=1277395393]<br />No one cares about tennis.<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3946, 421, 16, 1303454113, 10, 4044, 'Summer 2011 Time Table', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '98.225.144.111', 1, 1305229333, 'HumanBones', '[center]Summer 2011 Time Table<br />[b]SCHEDULE IS TENTATIVE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE[/b]<br />Last updated: 4/22/2011<br /><br /><br />[b][u]PRE-SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />Friday, April 22nd, 2011<br />Sign up period for Summer 2011 open on the IDL Forums.<br /><br />Sunday, May 8th, 2011<br />Invites are posted;&nbsp; captains are announced.<br /><br />Wednesday, May 18th, 2011<br />Free Agency is solidified. All players must confirm by this date. <br /><br />Thursday, May 19th, 2011<br />IDL Summer 2011 schedule release.<br /><br />May 20-25 (DATE TBD), 2011<br />IDL Summer 2011 Draft Live! on Unidoom Radio<br /><br />(IDL Pre-Show Panel)<br />TBD<br />(IDL Summer 2011 Draft Selections)<br />TBD<br /><br />[b][u]REGULAR SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />Monday, June 6th, 2011<br />Week 1 of Regular Season Begins<br /><br />Wednesday, July 6th (Week 5) 11:59 PM<br />Trading is closed. Waiver wire activated.<br /><br />July 25-31st (Monday-Friday Week 8 )<br />Homefield selection will take place.<br /><br />11:59:59PM, July 31st, 2011<br />Waiver wire closes.<br /><br />[b][u]POST-SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />August 8-14, 2011<br />IDL Summer 2011 Wildcard Playoffs<br /><br />August 15-21<br />IDL Summer 2011 Conference Championships<br /><br />August 22-28<br />MasterBowl X[/center]', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(2173, 242, 1, 1281157057, 28, 2173, 'Re: Remembering ex-IDL players', 'kandy_kid', 'matt.dauber@gmail.com', '174.56.21.121', 1, 1281157241, 'kandy_kid', '&lt;&lt;THE BEST THERE IS THE BEST THERE WAS AND THE BEST THERE EVER WILL BE', 'xx', 1);
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	(2198, 243, 12, 1281333069, 46, 2198, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '174.25.101.253', 1, 1281333208, 'Roscoe', 'INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE<br />Ralphis<br />Goatface<br />Quicksilver<br />X-Ray<br />Whiteboy567<br /><br />WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE<br />horseass (mike)<br />lagbritish<br />Legion<br />Climhazzard<br />Lardna<br />(sorry star, you&#039;re too powerful)<br /><br />Let some newer guys play for once...<br /><br />And of course Kandy should get to vote.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1934, 222, 12, 1276459036, 89, 1934, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.242.6.101', 1, 0, '', 'My demo http://www.mediafire.com/?gmiy31gengy', 'xx', 1);
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	(2102, 237, 12, 1279052382, 19, 2102, 'Re: Uploading Demos', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', 'My week4 demo has been uploaded to the site.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1573, 179, 11, 1267194210, 160, 1573, 'Politics and stuff', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.43', 1, 0, '', 'Nah you made your bed so lie in it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1584, 179, 11, 1267230949, 61, 1584, 'Politics and stuff', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '69.129.234.61', 1, 1267231268, 'Chain', 'I had to take a small break from mapping to read this thread, which unfortunately still doesn&#039;t have many of the &quot;newer&quot; talent posting on it. This means that most people are still not truly being encouraged to be a part of the discussion. Why not use a welcome message whenever you join #idl? Have it say &quot;Welcome to #IDL! Home of the International Doom CTF League&quot; and then a quick link to this thread as a &quot;Latest news: Rules Discussion going on now&quot; addition, or put it in the topic. Or you can put a bot in the channel that lets out a link to the forums every hour or some shit. Just do something so that it&#039;s accessible to all.<br /><br />Now, on to the actual discussion. There are many good reasons to play or not play in the IDL. Personally, the latter makes more sense to me at the moment due to personal circumstances (the major one being my connection quality nowadays), but there&#039;s still plenty to address in this regard.<br /><br />[u][b]I. League Format[/b][/u]<br /><br />The 3v3 with a fourth player still seems reasonable, and by far the best format to play CTF if it can be helped (4v4 is great, but only in a handful of maps). Each player&#039;s contribution to the team in any given game is that much more important when it&#039;s 3v3. With 4v4, you can cover up some deficiencies with raw power (more guns/bodies/obstacles). This format should not change, IMO.<br /><br />What needs to be done away with is the franchise system and the excruciating length of the season. ~3 months is a long time to try and keep motivating yourself to play the game. The longer a season goes, the higher the chances are that there will be scheduling conflicts and so forth. A holiday falling on a match deadline, like Saturday or Sunday has happened before and will keep happening as long as the season drags for 1/4 of the year.<br /><br />[u][b]II. Maps[/b][/u]<br /><br />The maps in this league, and in Doom CTF in general, are pure garbage. If it&#039;s true that &quot;comprehensive&quot; playtesting or discussion is performed prior to making a map official, then I&#039;m afraid the &quot;effort&quot; put into that just doesn&#039;t cut it because the maps always end up playing the same. I could go on and on about what I think constitutes great map design, but I don&#039;t think I really need to (not that much ;)). All I know from personal experience and outside input is that the dynamic and style of a great majority of maps is stale and one-dimensional.<br /><br />What does this have to do with advancing the skill and quality of a competitive league? A lot. I understand that adding new skills to your game takes work, and maybe people just don&#039;t want to work hard. At least with the alleged community-based map voting into the equation next season, people will choose their own fate instead of being made to play in a toilet bowl.<br /><br />An interesting little fact I&#039;ve noticed since starting the SmartCTF project and heavily playtesting it (3v3 with 10+ people rotating between maps and at times for ~2 hours on some nights) is that some of the players named in this thread as being of a &quot;lesser&quot; skill tier have grasped the concept extremely well and are quite good in reality. Don&#039;t get me wrong, the top quality guys still rampage through the maps, but it&#039;s not a guarantee anymore.<br /><br />It&#039;s a great sight when a team that has Roscoe, Legion, or Strangle can beat a team with big names. Maybe it&#039;s just the fact the maps allowed them to exercise their true strengths rather than SSG defense or rocket spam in a corner facing one way for 10+ minutes.<br /><br />[u][b]III. &quot;Politics&quot; - Myth or Real?[/b][/u]<br /><br />Now we come to the part of the discussion that is largely ignored. You want to know why the IDL isn&#039;t attracting as many new players by the boatload? Want to know why it&#039;s still a largely underground/elitist group of players? Yeah, politics. Now now, don&#039;t get your panties in a twist--this is quite simple, so let me explain.<br /><br />No amount of in-game bind or [IDL] tag spamming is going to do much good to get people interested compared to say, two packed-to-the-16-playerlimit servers publicly advertised on the ZD master. Why? Because let&#039;s be frank here, people get on their computers to play ZD and refresh the entire server list and usually go for what&#039;s packed. If someone sees the ridiculous activity and life in the IDL servers on a typical match night, [b]they&#039;ll want to join the server![/b]<br /><br />Why is it that IDL still happens in private and unadvertised servers? Is there a [i]truly[/i] good reason for that? If you say &quot;Oh, so that maybe 2 or 3 guys who were idiots and got themselves banned can play&quot; then I&#039;ll say you&#039;re a moron. That&#039;s a nice notion: Keep a couple guys in at the expense of attracting many more.<br /><br />Now, this isn&#039;t some sort of attack on Ralph, because although we&#039;ve had/have differences on certain things, we&#039;ve been able to work together (IDL coming into existence to begin with is a prime example) for the good of others. However, it strikes me as selfish and counter-intuitive to keep this silly &quot;underground&quot; and secretive crap going. Bottom line is if you want the league to grow and get a good variety of players, this has to change.<br /><br />Ralph doesn&#039;t host servers or the site, so I&#039;m sure it can survive without him absolutely having to make everyone else share his burden. Or as an alternative (because we all love options!), have one of the official servers BE advertised on the master, that way Mr. Vickers and Co. can still be bailed out by everyone else while there&#039;s still *some* form of public visibility for the league on the screens of every ZD addict that refreshes the list countless times a day.<br /><br />That&#039;s really the one glaring thing everyone seems to not want to talk about in terms of &quot;politics.&quot; I&#039;d provide more, but unfortunately, the DE forums are dead (so the many examples of other shenanigans are gone) and I&#039;m getting too old to remember all the details.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4949, 515, 17, 1318292135, 209, 4949, 'Re: New team names?', 'AlexMax', 'alexmax2742@gmail.com', '71.75.171.111', 1, 0, '', 'voting the people because the wider net you cast the more likely you are to get some good names.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1574, 179, 11, 1267208759, 130, 1574, 'Politics and stuff', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1571#msg1571 date=1267179398]<br />Yet let us compare what happened on BSK and DMR to EBL&#039;s current situation.&nbsp; EBL could really use help to turn their season around yet the teams given the leg up are better than EBL.&nbsp; This is where IDL politics come into play.&nbsp; EBL didn&#039;t get special help and this is pretty unfair.&nbsp; They played by the rules and are going to die by them too.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You might not be aware of all the details of these situations, hell most people might not. The reason Shakal was allowed to retroactively franchise a player who wasn&#039;t on the draft list is because Saber had to drop from being a captain. Extenuating circumstance #1. The reason that DMR got LB instead of having to pick a random free agent like EBL is because 2 of their top 3 players were buried in ice in Oklahoma. These teams weren&#039;t given a good player because they were struggling, they were given a good player because it was a.) possible and b.) had to happen. What is EBL&#039;s circumstance? Collision doesn&#039;t wanna show up? Xen can&#039;t get him team to practice? Mid only come on late? None of those are someone taking the place of a previous captain or half a team being unable to play through no fault of their own. EBL hasn&#039;t been good ever. Not even last season. IDC sucked ass last season and that is why EBL went to the playoffs. Tai/Beast or Doomguy/Donut were his competition.<br /><br />I just wanted to point out that Xen isn&#039;t being screwed, or trashed behind his back, or some how conspired against. He just made another bad team. Whoop-de-doo<br /><br />And while I&#039;m here I wanna say that I suspected dewww was drunk :) But I kinda felt that sentiment from you earlier and am glad we at least heard each other&#039;s side of the situation. Regardless of the outcome of your participation next season I&#039;ve enjoyed being on your team this season. Pinging is tough and so is this league. It&#039;s a testament to the character of the euros who sign up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1577, 179, 11, 1267213144, 147, 1577, 'Politics and stuff', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'Oh and I forgot one in my list:<br /><br />7.) Get rid of that stupid invite list.&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty sure captains aren&#039;t gonna pick players that are outside of it anyway, unless you know, it leaves out people who were really interested from the start and good enough (I think so anyway) to play in the league (and have showed up for every game and prac on their new team.&nbsp; Just saying).&nbsp; If a captain wants to pick [oFoD]Dudley, then that&#039;s their problem, not mine.<br /><br />I would also like to point out that for the past 3 days or so (before I started reading this thread), I have a set of binds that I have played during the intermission after every pub game I play.&nbsp; They go a little something like &quot;Looking for competitive CTF League action?&nbsp; Check out the IDL!&nbsp; PM me on ZRC for details.&quot; and &quot;Also, check out www.intldoomleague.org for more information as well as demos from the current season!&quot;&nbsp; Now, this was just a spur of the moment thing I made one time, and I don&#039;t want you all to start sucking my dick because I&#039;m trying to help (a cookie would be nice though), but I&#039;m just showing how easy it is to do.&nbsp; We don&#039;t have to organize some mass fucking pub raid, we don&#039;t need [IDL] tags (or maybe we do, what the hell do I know, but LordBritish doesn&#039;t fit with a 3 letter tag), we just need to make a simple bind and let it fly.&nbsp; THEN ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED.&nbsp; I see IDL people play pub all the time. Denny, KB, Star, Stallion, Legion, chow (if you care, I know you said you don&#039;t, and that&#039;s fine), and anyone else, this is calling you out.&nbsp; Make the binds, talk to the people, and get some new players.&nbsp; I will be, and you can too.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1578, 179, 11, 1267215229, 10, 1578, 'Politics and stuff', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1576#msg1576 date=1267211013]<br />OK here it comes, I am surprised you managed to hold back so long.&nbsp; Ralph I&#039;ve been talking to you to try new IDL ideas since season fucking 2.&nbsp; Almost none of them have been tried.&nbsp; I&#039;ve had lots of crazy ideas and some I think are rather sound.&nbsp; It is sort of pathetic it takes a huge out pouring of many players from the league for people to get heard.&nbsp; People have been vehemently arguing against 3v2 for instance for ages yet were in the past just ignored.[/quote]<br /><br />Everybody talks about new ideas. Just because people talk about them doesn&#039;t mean they&#039;re a good idea. I created the board so that more ideas could flow freely and to take power away from myself.<br /><br />I was wrong about 3v2 in the past and it should&#039;ve been corrected sooner. I don&#039;t want to see a ZDDL system where you can play your games whenever because then you end up with a ton of unplayed games. ZDDL can&#039;t even get two players together for a lot of those games, how are you going to get 6 together with no organization? The IDL isn&#039;t an utopia and there needs to be order.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1576#msg1576 date=1267211013]<br />It is IDL politics, if you can&#039;t understand that it is sad you are so influential on the league.&nbsp; There have been many unfair decisions season after season without justification.&nbsp; I just wanted to bring up a recent example where two teams were given a lot of help while a certain other one was not.&nbsp; EBL played by the rules, BSK and DMR had them bent in their favor, it is as simple as that.&nbsp; I know they are special cases but the point is, why should a special case be the only one where teams are allowed flexibility to regain their competitiveness?&nbsp; Results are what matter to me.[/quote]<br /><br />Again, [b][i]you haven&#039;t provided any examples[/i][/b] because there have been basically none since season 5 when I implemented the board to try and do away with any sort of unfair things that I might be able to do without other people watching me. I created the IDL board to get more ideas flowing and, to a lesser extent, monitor what sort of changes I can make.<br /><br />Stop dwelling on one decision I made in Season 3 where I let Naut go to VGR, because I&#039;m pretty sure that&#039;s mostly the extent of your politics argument.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1576#msg1576 date=1267211013]<br />I also probably am a big jerk but I still think Doomguy and Dragan just gave up on the league.&nbsp; I don&#039;t believe they&#039;ve been iced back into the stone age.&nbsp; It&#039;s been almost a month now hasn&#039;t it?&nbsp; If indeed they are in such bad shape I&#039;ll apologize.[/quote]<br /><br />Pretty sure you&#039;re wrong about this. Maybe they lost their internet connection because they had to work extra hard to make up for bills or whatever costs of living were incurred during a national disaster. I haven&#039;t been able to get him on the phone.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1576#msg1576 date=1267211013]<br />I don&#039;t want to rank anyone Ralph, I just want to try new things and that was one I thought was really interesting.&nbsp; It would make trading much more viable and teams wouldn&#039;t be allowed to conspire much since bidding would force their hand.&nbsp; I know you think the IDL right now is some market but it is not, it&#039;s a secret back room of politics.&nbsp; The IDL has made some fucking terrible decisions and most of them are driven by elitist and competitive interests.&nbsp; As the league goes on you see this more and more.&nbsp; I think what Dew hinted at in his post is somewhat true in this regard.&nbsp; The franchise rule is officially implementing politics into the IDL rules.&nbsp; The invite only list is politics officially coming into the IDL.&nbsp; These are driven by people like you Ralphis who want to exclude and have more power over people.&nbsp; I know you hate the IDL board as well since it takes power away from you.[/quote]<br /><br />The invite list was created to ensure that we get as many active players as possible. We were tired of getting players that sign up that never even show up in #idl, bail out on teams, or do other stupid shit that degrade the league.<br /><br />I don&#039;t want more power, I want less power. I hoped one day the IDL could basically be as automated as possible so I could stop [b]babysitting[/b] since that is what I basically do for the duration of IDL seasons. This shit doesn&#039;t run itself, it takes people like Ladna and myself to make things happen and it&#039;s often excruciating.<br /><br />We have a functioning, considerably stable league. A ton of drastic change overnight could do more harm than good. We do try new things. They&#039;re just not always the new things you want to try and that&#039;s ok.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1576#msg1576 date=1267211013]I haven&#039;t really followed the league much since last season(if you didn&#039;t notice I sort of went on a break) but the example I already listed are pretty obvious.&nbsp; If you can&#039;t admit that is politics then I don&#039;t know what to tell you.&nbsp; Why wasn&#039;t Xen offered to choose a player not on the reserve list for instance?&nbsp; I am happy LB got on DMR don&#039;t get me wrong but stuff like this happens more than the IDL will admit.&nbsp; In the past it often happened before the mid season draft when some team needed a new guy and couldn&#039;t wait, they&#039;d get a new player, but not top talent from the mid season draft.[/quote]<br /><br />Xenaero himself doesn&#039;t even agree with you on this point so I don&#039;t even need to even go into this too much. There were no politics involved in this decision, emergency actions were taken to ensure that the a team didn&#039;t collapse even more than it already was. Take the tinfoil off your head, George Bush did 9/11.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1576#msg1576 date=1267211013]<br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=178.msg1575#msg1575 date=1267209284]<br />Why not let two players TDM in ZDDL instead of playing a 1on1?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Are you joking here?&nbsp; CTF is a team game, ZDDL is duel, do you not see the difference?&nbsp; We play 3v3, 4v4 and up in private all the time.&nbsp; There is no schedule difference for a 3v3 or 4v4, if both teams have 4 and want to play 4v4, why not?&nbsp; Everyone gets to play then.&nbsp; Isn&#039;t that what the IDL is about?&nbsp; I guess not.&nbsp; Ralph to you the IDL is about winning at all costs, conspiring to victory and rigging the rules in your favor.&nbsp; I want to have a lot of fucking fun and I still believe the best way to do that is make the goal of having IDL seasons end up with every team .500 records.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />If you want to play in an unorganized scrimmage league, go start one. The IDL is a format league. It&#039;s 3v3 now and if the board changes it to 4v4, then it&#039;s 4v4. Mixing and matching is stupid and dilutes the concept.<br /><br />The IDL -is a competitive league- and it always has been by design since its inception. If you want to play in unorganized, mostly uncompetitive crap go play in any of the mostly defunct ZDaemon tournaments or SICL. I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll find it&#039;s much more fun.<br /><br />[b][u]If you don&#039;t have fun competing at CTF, why are you in a competitive CTF league?[/u][/b] This league has brought people together as friends while being ultra competitive since season 2. Many people have fun in this environment and if you don&#039;t, well then what can you do? Unfortunately, it&#039;s impossible sometimes to make a product (in the grandest sense of the word) or service appeal to everybody. <br /><br />If you love to play ZDaemon CTF at an organized, competitive level, then the IDL is probably for you and I encourage you to stick around. If you want to play non-serious games, I&#039;m sure there are other avenues you can explore that might better suit your interests.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1980, 225, 12, 1277694122, 19, 1980, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 1277694299, 'Xenaero', '[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/270610/1277694075.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/270610/1277694079.png[/img]<br /><br />I would like to extend my gratitude to the rest of my team for working under the circumstances EBL was placed in. GGs!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2009, 210, 12, 1278499617, 26, 2009, 'Re: S2010 Free Agents - Trade History', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '213.120.116.218', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m kinda sick of this season already, played 2 rounds, tried to help a team and captain who clearly needs it.. Ignored, then dismissed and placed on a team I&#039;d rather drink my own piss than play for. <br /><br />I think my season here is done this time around, thanks!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8424, 811, 28, 1360996007, 157, 8424, 'Re: my feedback for odamex', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '173.59.167.186', 1, 0, '', 'hello, any updates to the status of these things?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2109, 232, 12, 1279122536, 163, 2109, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'Well with all due respect to my man xen, I can certainly understand why White tells him what to do. The funny thing is, White told him what to do all season and he didn&#039;t listen but when I was traded to EBL, I told him the exact same thing white had been telling him all season and he listened to me on the first time haha. Apparently Whiteboy knows nothing, I mean, he&#039;s just been a league MVP, arguably Canada&#039;s best overall player and an accomplished DooM veteran - yeah what does that loser know? <br />Haha, I love you, Xen &lt;3!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2174, 246, 1, 1281157617, 28, 2174, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'kandy_kid', 'matt.dauber@gmail.com', '174.56.21.121', 1, 0, '', 'congrats on waking up', 'xx', 1);
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	(2192, 246, 1, 1281297107, 204, 2192, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'shadowman', 'jabsea@live.com', '99.191.42.221', 1, 0, '', 'I guess we&#039;ll have to agree to disagree then for the most part. I hope both parties prove me wrong and flourish.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4452, 484, 16, 1312338303, 16, 4452, 'Re: Reinstate franchising and editing some of the IDL maps', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.127.29.52', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=484.msg4451#msg4451 date=1312329533]<br /><br />I don&#039;t like map14 cause it&#039;s a stupid grind in a hall.&nbsp; I would say it does need a fix however in regards to the teleporter.&nbsp; [b]It doesn&#039;t happen often but whenever a flag runner can get the flag in there in a stand off it gets pretty stupid attacking into a teleport. [/b] If there was another way into that area it&#039;d be fixed and not lame.&nbsp; I&#039;d suggest either a switch to open the top gate by the flag or a hall way connecting to the spawn room.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />If the flagger can actually get the flag inside there, then that&#039;s to his credit because the defense is stupid and doesn&#039;t protect for that scenario properly. That doesn&#039;t mean you change the map, you fucking baby. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8911, 882, 30, 1366311255, 19, 8911, 'Re: Post Your Own Discussion Topic!', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.242.178', 1, 0, '', 'your favorite flavor of cum', 'xx', 1);
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	(1579, 179, 11, 1267217094, 16, 1579, 'Politics and stuff', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', 'Fast, Doomguy and Dragan&#039;s home state gets crapped on from above with ice and you think they just &quot;gave up&quot; on the league? I don&#039;t care how much you personally hate these guys, that&#039;s just low. At least, you much have something against them if that&#039;s how you really feel. <br /><br />And I think you need to stop throwing around the word &quot;politics&quot; like a 12 year old moron. It&#039;s cute, but at the same time stupid. <br /><br />--<br /><br />Anyways, I also agree about removing the invite list. There&#039;s clearly a certain core of players as it is that are virtually guaranteed to be drafted anyways unless they&#039;re already either captains or franchised. We may as well allow other players the chance to get in that core. <br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1935, 219, 1, 1276501053, 0, 1935, 'Re: Welcome to the Wild West', 'Fastidious', '', '112.200.128.179', 1, 0, '', 'OK I lied, having too much fun here to sit around and edit videos.<br /><br />http://www.adultimagehost.org/show.php/32545_P6120005.JPG.html', 'xx', 1);
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	(1589, 179, 11, 1267253913, 160, 1589, 'Politics and stuff', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.43', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=178.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]Do you really think that the IDL Board likes Shakal?&nbsp; After he&#039;s quit the league 7000 times (once with Cha0tix)?[/quote]<br /><br />For me quitting that one season it was due to bs like this&nbsp; (i.e. Ralphis magically instating the rule [b]AFTER[/b] the draft that teams must have 4 players). Screwing with the board is essentially how I was able to join after the deadline anyways.<br /><br />It doesn&#039;t matter anymore though, the faster this season ends the better for my team since they have pretty important things they need to do relating to their futures.<br /><br /><br /><br />Unrelated to my JEWelery, if you don&#039;t see the rigging first hand you would make a great Congressman. Franchising was meant to keep certain guys winning all the time. Got people talkin&#039; about how they don&#039;t want anymore crippled games but wouldn&#039;t hesitate to have &#039;em if it meant their team would win. ::) And yes, DMR got a better team in my eyes and Shak is lucky I was jewed in but I feel DD&#039;s team should have been handled better than it was. The reason being DMR and BSK got better results due to some buttfuckery.<br /><br />Going &quot;out on a limb&quot; to help doesn&#039;t mean its fair.&nbsp; ;)<br /><br /><br /><br />Also the board seems pretty spineless now that I think about them too.<br /><br /><br /><br />Someone said maps some maps are picked for variety, but the real deal should be maps being picked for playability instead. I stress that whoever picks maps should be removed from said position. And whoever greenlights that guy&#039;s picks should be removed for being a retard too.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1590, 179, 11, 1267296074, 49, 1590, 'Politics and stuff', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 1267296724, 'Killingblair', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=178.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]Do you really think that the IDL Board likes Shakal?&nbsp; After he&#039;s quit the league 7000 times (once with Cha0tix)?&nbsp; You think we like Jenova - a rookie ex-cheater?&nbsp; You think we like Killingblair, who&#039;s also quit 7000 times?[/quote]If the IDL Board wasn&#039;t comfortable with me being a captain, Jenova was more than willing.<br /><br />Attacking the current player-base is getting the Board nowhere. I was on the fence about S2010, thanks for clearing it up for me. :)<br /><br />UPDATE: No one gives a SHIT about bigfoot SO FUCK EM!!! Also:<br /><br />[quote author=Cha0tix]Someone said maps some maps are picked for variety, but the real deal should be maps being picked for playability instead. I stress that whoever picks maps should be removed from said position. And whoever greenlights that guy&#039;s picks should be removed for being a retard too.[/quote]+1<br /><br />UPDATE: Last night someone stole $500 worth of SHIT... from my PLACE; that&#039;s right: $500 worth of BOOOL SHIT!<br /><br />Also, people say DMR got a stronger team from the situation regarding DG and Polie, yet DMR hasn&#039;t won a game since the roster switcheroo. I don&#039;t get it. ???', 'xx', 1);
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	(1747, 199, 12, 1272148087, 39, 1747, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Mistopher', 'masonridings@yahoo.com', '72.152.40.179', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Mistopher<br />Country: Confederate States of America<br />EMail: masonridings@yahoo.com<br />IM: None, contact through IRC and email.<br />Availability: Most evenings and weekends.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8681, 857, 17, 1363094750, 2174, 8681, 'Re: The Downfall of IDL?', 'Decay`', 'systemdecay@hotmail.ca', '99.243.48.212', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=478.0]Another downfall theory??[/url]<br /><br />I think Xen makes a great point that people do not take the game seriously anymore. People lose, then quit. I&#039;m interested to see what changes take place and what will happen, though as Stall said, the community in general is not fond of change, which makes things so difficult. I think the end result, whatever it is, from what I&#039;ve seen discussed is that some people will end up leaving no matter what, but not everyone, and some new people will step in. It&#039;s a damned if you do, damned if you don&#039;t situation.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1830, 212, 1, 1274308507, 49, 1830, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '4/20', 'xx', 1);
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	(7316, 712, 22, 1345430045, 2303, 7316, 'Re: WEEK 7 - THIRTY417: Buntaluffigus (AUG 13 - AUG 19) - Discussion and Results', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.242.222.134', 1, 0, '', 'Holy crap I was so nervous. I did the dumbest shit in my demo. As the analogy of eating a frog for it to be the worst part of your day makes everything better, after looking and laughing at my own demo, it can only get better from here.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2175, 246, 1, 1281163734, 73, 2175, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Quiksilver', 'joshbryantmusic@gmail.com', '68.57.224.163', 1, 0, '', 'Hey, can anyone give me the donation link. I&#039;d like to show my appreciation in monetary form.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2193, 246, 1, 1281305763, 7, 2193, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '24.33.254.99', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />Just a nobody here, and I don&#039;t take either side...just a couple of observations...<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Hey shadowman.&nbsp; Thanks for dropping by.&nbsp; While I might use strong language as I refute your points, I hope you don&#039;t take it personally, and become a member of the IDL community!&nbsp; I&#039;ll also warn you that I have a reputation for wording people to death, which you&#039;ll understand shortly.<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />ZDaemon is [i]undeniably[/i] the goose that lays your golden egg. Without them, you&#039;ll just die the same slow death that they are.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I agree that there would be no IDL without ZDaemon, or that it would at least be very different.&nbsp; I think on some level, every (reasonable) player of ZDaemon is grateful to the development team for the game because it [b]is[/b] currently the best multiplayer Doom experience.&nbsp; I would, however, strongly disagree that what the provide is &quot;golden&quot; in any way, and I have a number of points to my argument.<br /><br />ZDaemon hasn&#039;t added a major feature in over 5 years - the last major features were Capture the Flag and the Unlagged netcode.&nbsp; While this is debatable (SECTINFO, voting), I think that we can all agree ZDaemon development has slowed to a crawl - and not for a lack of experienced, willing developers wanting to contribute.&nbsp; There are a number of technical, infrastructure-related things about ZDaemon that discourage qualified programmers:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]The source is closed, meaning any code I contribute will disappear forever[/li]<br />[li]There is no source control or patch repository, meaning I&#039;m unable to use the work of other contributors[/li]<br />[li]The things I personally want to work on are hilariously outdated in the 1.06 source code (netcode, prediction, etc.)[/li]<br />[li]My contributions are subject to the will and whims of the ZDaemon development team, so if I want to add or change a feature, I have to convince them that the feature is worth adding and maintaining; because I will have no way to maintain it because it won&#039;t be added to the 1.06 source code (no source control, remember?)[/li]<br />[li]There is no testing framework that I&#039;m aware of, which at least led to 1.08.06 and 1.08.07 being completely unplayable in a competitive setting (100% reproducible crashes in CTF games)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />I&#039;m aware that the development team is using Git now, but when I was talking with phenex2 about it, my understanding was that contributors outside of the development team had no access to it because Stealth had left the community (last year...).<br /><br />My main point is that ZDaemon has a rather bad development system, which is reflected by the fact that development has been so slow.&nbsp; Some people would point to the ZD changelog and say, &quot;Hey Ladna, look at all this stuff&quot;, but the huge majority of it is ripped right out of ZDoom, and even then it took over a year (actually it&#039;s a lot longer than that, because they gave up on 1.09 and started backporting changes to 1.08.09); a lot of the changes listed are trivial besides.<br /><br />ZDaemon is also very resistant to our feature requests.&nbsp; The IDL has asked for lots of features that we think are very reasonable, but every request is met with non-reasons why they can&#039;t be implemented.&nbsp; Most of the time we&#039;re able to berate them out of their stupidness, but other times Kilgore says he&#039;ll implement things in 1.10 or 1.11 (if we&#039;re all still alive), or he won&#039;t engage in any kind of debate with us about why he won&#039;t add them.&nbsp; We&#039;re met with a rage-post and a thread lock.&nbsp; This is not exactly encouraging, in fact, it alienates IDL altogether.<br /><br />The administration also thinks it knows better than we do whom we should play with.&nbsp; Over IDL&#039;s 8 seasons, we&#039;ve had a number of players who were banned from ZDaemon participate in IDL, sometimes for cheating, but more often than not it&#039;s for stupid ZDaemon political reasons we couldn&#039;t give two shits about, and in fact we frequently agree with the banned player.&nbsp; For instance, I&#039;m now banned from the ZDaemon forums.&nbsp; If IDL used ZDaemon&#039;s forums I&#039;d be unable to contribute to IDL-related discussions because Kilgore&#039;s mad at me.&nbsp; That&#039;s stupid, and not something we can ever deal with.&nbsp; This is why IDL has its own separate website, forums, and IRC channel, because we can&#039;t be subject to the madness that is ZDaemon&#039;s administration.<br /><br />So yes, while ZDaemon is currently the best multiplayer Doom port, that&#039;s really only because the alternatives aren&#039;t really that great.&nbsp; ZDaemon the software and ZDaemon the community are both things IDL fights with every season, with limited success.<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />Also, by pulling all the &#039;best&#039; players out of public CTF, you [i]undeniably[/i] put another nail in the already fading public CTF coffin, whether you all realize it or not.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ll deny it all day, actually.&nbsp; Playing in IDL isn&#039;t really that big of a commitment; my captain has my cell phone #, and when we&#039;re going to practice he TXTs me.&nbsp; Games are scheduled well in advance and according to player availability.&nbsp; All told, I probably spend maybe 2-3 hours a week doing IDL-related things.&nbsp; My point is that I have plenty of time to play Public CTF if I wanted to, I just don&#039;t want to because it sucks.&nbsp; The reason the best players play in IDL is that traditional ZDaemon Public CTF and traditional ZDaemon clan wars are shitty, and they&#039;re shitty in a big way.&nbsp; Private CTF was actually created before IDL was, specifically because the normal ways of playing ZDaemon (Public CTF and clan wars) are frustrating as hell, and IDL was - in some ways - an extension of that.<br /><br />Don&#039;t blame IDL for the decline in players interested in ZDaemon and Public CTF.&nbsp; ZDaemon does no advertising, and has no interest in supporting the efforts of other community members who want to contribute to ZDaemon (ZDaemon Sessions, ZDaemon Tournaments, ZDDL, IDL, etc.).&nbsp; It&#039;s barely improved since 1.08.02 (released in Apr 04, 2006), and my threshold for a significant &quot;improvement&quot; is fixing sv_deathlimit... which honestly is pathetic.<br /><br />Furthermore, if our goal with IDL was to kill Public CTF, then it was really stupid of me to run so many Public CTF servers on TotalTrash.<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />You should have implemented a league for all skill levels while ZD was booming and had the players to be interested.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />There was no time that ZDaemon was booming.&nbsp; Even at the mythical &quot;peak&quot; in 2006/2007, more people play Quake Live in a day than played ZDaemon those years.&nbsp; There&#039;s a number of reasons for this, and I&#039;ll admit that most of them are pretty out of reach.&nbsp; Doom is an old game, id Software isn&#039;t interested in promoting source ports (so players have to purchase Doom from id, and then download/install ZDaemon... which makes things like Steam hosting difficult), adding modern features (voxels, 3D models, OpenGL rendering) is difficult and provides little reward, and so on.&nbsp; But to be fair, the ZDaemon administration has no advertising whatsoever.&nbsp; There&#039;s no news page, the forums are overmoderated and full of great examples of the admins being jerks, they offer no support to players who try to evangelize ZDaemon to the wider gaming community, etc.&nbsp; I ran TotalTrash for over 2 years and was pushed around, ignored, and threatened just like any other shit-ass ZDaemon player.&nbsp; There was no thanks, no reward and no privilege for what I contributed to ZDaemon.&nbsp; This is a bad way to retain community members that want to help you.<br /><br />The only thing IDL ever wanted to do was to create a system in which highly-competitive, fair CTF games could be played.&nbsp; There&#039;s no way that providing high-level CTF did anything to harm Public CTF, especially considering all the other things that are wrong with ZDaemon.&nbsp; The idea that we would do something like tell our players not to play Public CTF so we can &quot;stick it to zdaemon&quot; is so fucking silly I feel like a faggot even typing it out.<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />Now the newbies have dried up...<br /><br />And we all know what happens to game communities where the newbies dry up, don&#039;t we? How many serious competitive newbies do you see now interested in w/e game mode nowadays?&nbsp;  ;D<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Most of the above points apply here, but I just want to say that IDL has tried a number of things to get &quot;rookies&quot; interested in the league.&nbsp; We ran IDDL in Season 5 and we tried to run a similar league this season (IDDL was a &quot;developmental league&quot; for newer/less-skilled players).&nbsp; Both attempts were complete disasters because the players simply weren&#039;t interested enough to finish out the season (or in the case of this last attempt, interested enough even to respond to an &quot;are you interested&quot; e-mail).&nbsp; Let me be perfectly clear: the ZDaemon player base is barely big enough to sustain a 32-player league that only plays 75% of its players on any given week.&nbsp; ZDAEMON CAN BARELY EVEN PRODUCE 24 GODDAMN PLAYERS A WEEK.&nbsp; The IDL&#039;s advertising is way more widespread than ZDaemon&#039;s, but it&#039;s not because we&#039;re awesome - it&#039;s because ZDaemon&#039;s sucks.&nbsp; We worked with TastySpleen (http://tastyspleen.tv) to broadcast live video of IDL matches that quite a few people watched.&nbsp; The TastySpleen community is now aware that ZDaemon and IDL exist, and it increased visibility of the game tremendously.&nbsp; Actually, ZDDL had this idea first, and it was VERY SIMPLE TO DO.&nbsp; If ZDaemon gave two shits about getting the word out, it could do things like this.&nbsp; It could also recognize that there are people in the community that will do these things for them, and they could LINK US ON THE FUCKING HOMEPAGE.&nbsp; But that would take more effort than none, and in some cases it would involve swallowing pride, so it hasn&#039;t happened.<br /><br />[quote author=shadowman link=topic=246.msg2190#msg2190 date=1281285015]<br />ZD peaked several years ago. A new version of ZD, Doom4...w/e, will see a surge in interest again, but the golden years of this particular nostalgia niche are over. Enjoy your league while it lasts, imo, the writing is on the wall for both communities.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I really think that there&#039;s a lot to be said for Doom&#039;s gameplay; I personally hate the way Quake Live and Source games play - they&#039;re way too slow for me and the weapons suck.&nbsp; But I can understand people recoiling when they see sprites - Doom is over 15 years old after all.&nbsp; In some ways it frustrates me to see my favorite game reduced to a &quot;nostalgia niche&quot;, but again, I can understand people seeing sprites and remembering the days when Nirvana was still releasing singles.&nbsp; I still think there are plenty of things that could be done to increase ZDaemon&#039;s player base, in fact, I&#039;ll list them:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Create a web-launchable viewer-client.&nbsp; Use Adobe Alchemy (this is very, very easy, but you need the source).[/li]<br />[li]Create a web-based server list, and add icons for joining and spectating (using the web-launchable viewer-client) for each server.[/li]<br />[li]Remove the limit on the number of clients that are allowed to spectate games.[/li]<br />[li]Add server-side demos.[/li]<br />[li]Remodel the ZDaemon website so that there is actually stuff on it; things I would recommend off the top of my head are: the link to buy Doom from id Software, news page (development and otherwise), clans, leagues, wad review, tournaments, ZD sessions, etc.[/li]<br />[li]Talk to sites like ESReality and TastySpleen to market ZDaemon to the wider FPS gaming community.[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />None of these things are even controversial.&nbsp; No one&#039;s talking about unbanning anyone or opening the source or whatever stupid thing that sends Kilgore into a blind rage.&nbsp; We&#039;re just talking about making it easier for people to watch some fucking ZDaemon games, to know what&#039;s going on in the community, hell, to even know that ZDaemon fucking exists.&nbsp; There are still plenty of people who are willing (God only knows why) to contribute to this in a dozen different ways, but the administration thinks that adding:<br /><br />[quote]<br />138. Implemented a new version of unlagged that&#039;s tick rather than ping<br />&nbsp; &nbsp;  based. It&#039;s far more accurate and efficient than the previous version.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />will fix everything.&nbsp; Not only was it mind-blowingly stupid to implement unlagged this way (wow ping, really?&nbsp; Durrrrr.), it&#039;s not something anyone gives a shit about, and I&#039;m picking a huge 1.08.09 feature here.<br /><br />In closing, please don&#039;t blame IDL for anything that&#039;s wrong with ZDaemon.&nbsp; We&#039;ve done nothing but try and encourage the growth of ZDaemon and the adding of features that would make it more popular and our lives easier, and we&#039;ve received nothing but closed doors, threats, and bans.&nbsp; The fact that we put up with this stupid shit for so long is a testament to our desire to improve the ZDaemon experience and grow the community, and while I&#039;m certainly not interested anymore I know that there are others that are.<br /><br />I hope you appreciate the full response I&#039;ve given to you, which is roughly 10x the length of your initial post (sorry, like I said, I&#039;m a carpet-bomber), and I&#039;ll be happy to continue this discussion.&nbsp; Unlike Kilgore I won&#039;t just realize my position is irrational and stupid, and try and threaten and thread lock my way out of it.&nbsp; That would make me a Class A asshole, and while I have my moments, I&#039;m the first one to apologize when I&#039;m wrong.&nbsp; Ah, rationality!', 'xx', 1);
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	(4272, 456, 16, 1309929344, 214, 4272, 'Re: WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE CURRENT IDL STANDINGS?', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.178.143', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=456.msg4268#msg4268 date=1309910973]<br />[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=456.msg4261#msg4261 date=1309896701]<br />Chewy<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Am I to understand you think that Legion and Chew are an as good as or better team than Bones/Blair or Hate/Mantis (saber). I mean I think highly of Chew but, Legion drafted him and [b]they[/b] are winning game[b]s[/b].<br />[/quote]<br />There are 2 reasons why they won their games so far.<br /><br />1. Strangle<br />2. Mobius', 'xx', 1);
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	(1592, 179, 11, 1267298959, 8, 1592, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@zdaemon.org', '173.48.68.128', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;ve complained endlessly about some of the choices for captain(s), but in the end its really a fucking huge sigh of relief when someone does it, even if they don&#039;t have a great record of reliability (or one at all). All I can say about the boards decision to choose some of these people is that it stems from the fact that no decent person wants to do it. There are plenty of people who can captain and be great at it, but just don&#039;t give a fuck. Then they come in here and complain. Makes a lot of sense, I know.<br /><br />A lot of maps are garbage, but to be quite honest it&#039;s better than map01 9 weeks in a row. People complained about the IDL not using different mappacks, and then different wads are used and the maps are &quot;bad&quot;. I mean look, I didn&#039;t care for some of the maps this season either, but its a decent trade off.<br /><br />With 3v3 and 4v4, I agree that each one if great for certain maps, and others not so much. So, maybe make a few weeks each season 3v3 and a few 4v4? This gives the league the possibility of using larger maps. It&#039;s also pretty interesting because I haven&#039;t played 4v4 in a long time, and I&#039;m sure its not what everyone else plays the most either. I think it would definitely change draft choices. Different formats call for different players.<br /><br />I&#039;m iffy with franchising. I liked the idea, but I think it has turned things a little stale. It&#039;s run its course in my mind, I don&#039;t know what else there is to do with it. I&#039;d be very interested in seeing a season without it again.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1593, 178, 11, 1267299738, 7, 1593, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.57.3.161', 1, 1267300239, 'Ladna', 'In the spirit of thread splitting, I&#039;m double-posting to restart this thread.<br /><br />I do feel like the season takes too long, but I am also a huge fan of playing everyone at least once, and I don&#039;t really feel like playing more than 1 game a week is possible.&nbsp; If we use Fast&#039;s idea of &quot;play your games whenever&quot;, then we&#039;ll get into situations where we have to threaten forfeits to get teams to play, and I have a feeling that most games will be left until the last minute.&nbsp; Maybe we could also steal ZDDL&#039;s &quot;you have to have X games played by Y or we&#039;ll forfeit some of them&quot; policy.<br /><br />I don&#039;t know if we need to keep the invite list up.&nbsp; We initially wanted it to thwart behavior that hurts the league (like the issue we had with Caboose... and allegedly the entire team... throwing games to change the playoff picture), but I guess we can just explicitly suspend such players.&nbsp; It&#039;s pretty stupid for a league that wants more players to have an exclusive invite-only list, haha.<br /><br />I agree that 4 divisions in an 8 team league is a little useless.&nbsp; What do you guys think about not playing every other team, and having a more conference-oriented schedule?&nbsp; LordBritish and Stallion suggested playing a bunch of games within your own conference, then having the Masterbowl be a big surprise.&nbsp; I also like randomizing the team-conference assignments.<br /><br />Any ideas on how to pick maps?&nbsp; Most people hate the ones we&#039;ve played this season I guess.<br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1748, 199, 12, 1272150481, 158, 1748, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.45.120', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Jenova<br />Country: Canada<br />Email: None<br />IM: IRC<br />Availablity: Most nights', 'xx', 1);
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	(3365, 382, 1, 1297018139, 19, 3365, 'Re: Top 5 EGOS', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.178', 1, 0, '', '5 - Aerial<br />He reminds me a lot of Jenova, except he really doesn&#039;t have a lot to back himself up, but he talks a lot about how he&#039;s better than everyone else. He&#039;s probably a top contender for the most impenetrable ego, tellin ya what.<br /><br />4 - Fastidious<br />I forgot the last time Fast played well, or barring that, played at all. Remember that huge throatripping fest that was Fast vs Nostar? He&#039;s outta touch but plays it like he knows it all. It&#039;s kinda weird guy should get a psychologist on his case.<br /><br />3 - Ralphis<br />Everyone knows Ralph has the original big ego and it&#039;s not diminished one bit.<br /><br />2 - Nostar<br />Man, I swear, this guy appears out of nowhere and soon after asserts his position as having some unstoppable ass team and that kinda started it all. He has no problem talking down to p. much everyone and doing nasty things to you if you tell him he or TT sucks.<br /><br />1 - Jenova<br />There&#039;s only one person with a bigger ego than Nostar in my book, and that&#039;s this guy. White summed it up but my reason for putting him at #1 is, damn, did any of you guys catch Jen&#039;s post-game rant after BSK took conference last season? Nostar didn&#039;t come back on IRC for [b]weeks[/b]. It was real rough and dickish, only fitting coming from the IDL&#039;s top ego.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1794, 208, 1, 1273867368, 19, 1794, 'The Venerables', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'The aging overhead lamps flickered as his fist slammed on the table. His yellowed eyes tracked the facial movements of the man sitting across from him. It was almost reminiscent of a dystopian scenario. The big man at the top angering us gladiators that strive for the big prize and possibly a shot at a better life. The problem was, our situation was dystopian. At least it began to be once the bombs fell. Few of us remember the days before then. We don&#039;t even really have a name for it, anymore. Most of us choose not to remember it, or have forgotten, be it through head trauma, radiation, or general insanity.<br /><br />Thinking about it -- not that I want to -- I&#039;m not sure how we ended up in this to begin with. I glance back to the angered fighter to my left. His skin was charred, but to the trained eye it was clear underneath the burns from weapons discharge, radioactive waste, and even molten rock, he was of a dark tone. I smiled inwardly; He was dark in more ways than one. There&#039;s been stories of him tearing apart his own teammates when a Game didn&#039;t go well in his favor. That&#039;s all our life is, though. The Games started shortly after the survivors from the bombs gathered.<br /><br />Some looking for money, but most came looking for food, due to it being scarce. It was foolish, thinking the global economy was nothing more than a ghostly whisper of our past. Monetary values still remained part of our highly fractured society. The stress of everyday life can lead men of previously high, unpublishable statue to commit unspeakable horrors. In the old days, you would incarcerate them. Now, we had none of that. Instead, they were put into the League, our bloodier, more modern version of the Roman Colosseum. At least they had one thing in common... Most of the participants were criminals with exceptionally violent pasts. The rest of us? Either opportunists, or sadists. Sometimes both.<br /><br />My eyes shifted back into focus, ripped out of my muse by an aggressive movement from the dark Captain towards the man sitting opposite across the long, obsidian table in the meeting chambers. We fondly call him the Commissioner. Others call him the Puppet Master. Most of the time though, the names are more vulgar. But we don&#039;t utter them in the presence of his assistant. His right hand man was with him almost every time a meeting occurred. He simply stood by the Commissioner&#039;s chair. He was tall, while the Commissioner was short. He was of a thin build, while the Commissioner was portly. Yet while the Commissioner could be forgiving and sometimes cheerful despite the workings of the world at large, the Administrator was unforgiving. Cold as the reflection of his pitch-black sunglasses. Some of us think he has no eyes, that all that exists behind those frames are hallowed sockets.<br /><br />&quot;Enough.&quot; He commands over the growing murmurs of the Captains. All eyes went directly to him, while throats tightened. No one disobeyed the ruthless Administrator. Doing so usually meant torture, or death.<br /><br />Not that death meant much in the League. Some technology operated by the Administrator and even the Board members themselves allowed a fallen fighter to almost magically reappear elsewhere in the Game, to ensure their continued survival and struggle against the opposing team that day. Over time we accepted that we&#039;d never be granted the warm embrace of death, and that our signing into the League essentially meant while we could satisfy our own bloodlust, we were never allowed to escape the shackles of our obligations to the millions of spectators watching. Even in death.<br /><br />But it had a side-effect. For grave injuries, usually scars carried over to our new bodies, along with all our memories of the events leading up to our albeit brief deaths. We also never grew tired, except emotionally. We never grew hungry, except for our bloodlust. If someone were to ask me what was left of my humanity, I wouldn&#039;t have known what to answer with. I don&#039;t even know what day it is, anymore. But you get used to it. Eventually, traditional music morphed into the twisted screams of your enemies. It was our life, now. Hell, it was definitely better than the shacks we were living in before, constantly having to fight the needs of sleep for fear of raiders roaming our makeshift streets. Either way...We had new problems...<br /><br />&quot;I will not tolerate any more opposition against the Rule put in place.&quot; The Administrator calmly, coldly stated. He didn&#039;t have to say much more. A dead silence fell over all nine of the gathered. I cast a glance around to gauge the reactions. Most of them seemed to shrug it off. All of these had played in multiple seasons, and knew the ropes of the League. They had the scars to prove it. I knew none of them by their birth names. Whenever one enters the League, all you know them by is their callsign.<br /><br />Soon, the Commissioner leaned forward. &quot;Now, we&#039;ve gone over the changes to the League this season. You know the rules, now. Judging from your reactions, none of you are pleased with the decision to get rid of the Franchising, but you know, that&#039;s business, dawgs. The viewers felt it took too much juice out of the League.&quot; He smiled. He always smiles like that whenever he mentions the viewers. The millions of spectators whose views help fund the League and keep it going season after season.<br /><br />With no reply, the Commissioner stood and nodded to the Administrator, both taking their leave, exiting the small meeting room. I stare at their backs with a sense of contempt. The other Captains share the same feelings, but no one can truly oppose them, unless they enter the field of battle. Everyone loves to take a shot at either of them. As soon as the heavy door closes, the other Captains erupt into a furor of curses and displeasure over the changes to the rules. I, of course, join in.<br /><br />After we get all of the emotion out of our system, one of the captains leans back in his torn leather chair. He was the youngest of us, his long hair flowing over the bullet-riddled, charred battle armor all of us wore. Despite his obvious injuries, one of which cost him his right ear, hearing and all, for his overconfidence, he still considered himself much like a god.<br /><br />&quot;I don&#039;t see how the lack of Franchising will be a problem. It&#039;s not like any of you were any to beat me, even with your best buddies backing you up.&quot; He taunted with a grin, his glance towards the Captain to his right let everyone know who he was talking about.<br /><br />&quot;Give me a break.&quot; Scoffed the other, his voice much higher than naturally it should have been, due to an unfortunate incident in a Game where his throat was damaged. I smiled. Don&#039;t drink nuclear acid, kids. Or at the very least, don&#039;t get forced to.<br /><br />He didn&#039;t allow the younger Captain a chance to speak before continuing, &quot;I would have been able to beat your entire team myself. Hell, you didn&#039;t even manage to get past the wildcard round last season. What makes you think captaining will do?&quot; He finished with a shrill laugh.<br /><br />I stood up as the dark-toned Captain growled his disapproval at the implication of the statement. My heavy boots clanked across the rusted metal floor of the chamber. I pushed open the door and slammed it behind me, stepping out of the enclosure into the main building. Interestingly, it was all underground. While waiting for the elevator to the surface, I started looking at the emblems on the wall. It was interesting how the former, ruined Presidential Bunker of the United States was used as the headquarters for the Captains.<br /><br />As the doors opened to the aging elevator, I looked over my shoulder. You develop a sense of when someone tries to approach you from behind, even if they&#039;re dead quiet about doing it. One of the Captains joined me in the ride up.<br /><br />&quot;What do you figure you&#039;ll do this Season? You had a guaranteed three man roster until this rule happened. Sometimes I think the Colonel is out to do nothing more than fuck with us.&quot; He said. He was about as portly as the Commissioner, but had a considerably darker toned skin. Nevertheless, his skill wasn&#039;t to be underestimated in the Games. The two of us probably had a better relationship between us than any of the other Captains did. I smiled at the term &#039;Colonel&#039;. I guess you could call it our &#039;affectionate&#039; name for the Administrator.<br /><br />&quot;I don&#039;t know.&quot; I replied with a heavy exhale out of my nostrils, &quot;I&#039;ll have to rethink who I&#039;ll pick up. But, I&#039;m used to shitty luck in this godforsaken League. I&#039;ll manage.&quot; I scoffed as the doors opened.<br /><br />There was no real entrance to the elevator anymore. It simply stuck outside the ground like a silvery obelisk. However, the ground above it was raised enough to where you could see the Arenas made specifically for the Games in all directions, with the paths carved out of countless marches of the teams paved to each. The sky was a sickly yellow haze, still cloudy from all the dust that choked the planet.<br /><br />I motioned for the other Captain to follow me to one of the arenas. We had some practice to get to.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8682, 857, 17, 1363100773, 61, 8682, 'Re: The Downfall of IDL?', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '199.197.66.1', 1, 0, '', 'Can we please not use the word &#039;Downfall&#039;? Every time I see that word I automatically think of the movie and the hitler rage fest that ensued.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6621, 638, 21, 1333355853, 163, 6621, 'Re: The IDL-R Spring 2012 Season', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.50.8.112', 1, 0, '', 'Yo, much respect for not letting this die. I think developing these new players (the ones willing to give it a shot at least) is an awesome thing and should always be the goal of us veteran players to ultimately pass down the knowledge we&#039;ve gained throughout the years of playing this game. If anyone is interested, I&#039;m willing to give tips, pointers, practice or do whatever I can to help these new guys gain some ability. Of course you all know my schedule eats dick but if you&#039;re on when I&#039;m around, give me a holler. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1857, 218, 12, 1274509825, 130, 1857, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Dude hatedraft is hilarious and if I thought there was any hope for you I would totally hatedraft whoever you wanted. I can&#039;t believe Xen didn&#039;t coin this term earlier in his illustrious career. It&#039;s pure genius.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4682, 496, 18, 1315182912, 216, 4682, 'Re: Season 10 / Summer 2011 Playoffs - MASTERBOWL X - Discussion and Results ', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '65.92.127.51', 1, 0, '', 'GG&#039;s DMR. It truly was an awesome match :). Shout outs to Stall and Mantis for making my first season of capping so awesome. <br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/tmVE6.png[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/aBCSj.png[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/WNO6K.png[/img]<br /><br />demo: http://www.speedyshare.com/files/30183032/2011-09-04_200046_idl2011.108.zdo ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2156, 242, 1, 1280973419, 0, 2156, 'Re: Remembering ex-IDL players', 'Fastidious', '', '76.224.123.113', 1, 0, '', 'Nothing actually, I just thought you were a cooler less rage prone guy when you were known as DD_133!&nbsp;  8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(8856, 878, 30, 1365375495, 8, 8856, 'IDL Radio #1 - 4/7/2013', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'Hosts: HumanBones, Dew, Ru5tK1ng, Stall<br />Date: April 7th, 2013<br />Topics: <br />Winter 2013 - maps/players/quitters<br />Odamex - netcode/ssg spread and damage/signups<br />Upcoming Season - rules/franchising/maps/wad expansion<br />New Website<br /><br />Recording: http://www.twitch.tv/idlradio/b/388001004', 'xx', 1);
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	(1594, 178, 11, 1267301196, 147, 1594, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'First off, big, big ups to Ladna for keeping everything so well organized in this thread.<br /><br />Second off, the maps weren&#039;t that big an issue for me.&nbsp; I mean, I hate most maps.&nbsp; If it was up to me, every IDL would be map03, map06, map13, map18, map20, and CyberCTF map02 4 times.&nbsp; I sorta like the &quot;community vote&quot; idea, but maybe for only half of the maps or something.&nbsp; Or have the community vote from a set of maps created by the board.&nbsp; For example, &quot;out of &#039;REALLY POPULAR MAPS&#039;, do the people vote on map01, map04, or map08?&quot;&nbsp; Either one of these seems pretty reasonable to me, or at least worth a try. Having the people vote on the maps could bring up a lot of repeaters.&nbsp; Maybe we could make it so the people cannot choose the same map in consecutive years?&nbsp; That way we can avoid it becoming stale if people pick the same maps over and over again.&nbsp; I also think the board should have the power to veto the players&#039; selection (maybe).&nbsp; For example, if the players select zdctf map06, the board should veto it. Immediately.&nbsp; This should maintain the competitive nature the IDL strives for, while also optimizing the fun for the players, as they get to pick their own maps.<br /><br />A few suggestions, anyway.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1752, 200, 26, 1272319931, 10, 1752, 'End of Franchising', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'It was voted on by the IDL board (4-0;Ladna absent) that franchising is to end for the Summer 2010 season onward. Teams will now draft across three rounds.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1624, 169, 11, 1267747612, 11, 1624, 'Re: The Great Blizzard of ''10', 'Doomguy666', 'xdoomguy666x@hotmail.com', '96.18.28.83', 1, 0, '', 'Hey guys, just wanted to let everyone know that me and my brother are still alive and everything lol. I have lived in this town my whole life and we&#039;ve dealt with some fairly bad storms in the past, but this one was by far the worst. I never thought a damn ice storm could bring this town to its knees but it succeeded. Our city was entirely unprepared and it took 14 days to get power back to where I was living and it took my failure of an ISP even longer to get the internet back. I just got it back on the 25th or 26th of Feb something like that but the Air Force base I work at got fucked pretty bad too&nbsp; so I have been working a lot of shifts to make up for all the bullshit. Even the military didn&#039;t see it coming I guess :P<br /><br />As for the IDL, I just want it to be shown that I didn&#039;t ditch out of the IDL nor was it my intention to. I&#039;ve played in every single IDL there is and it took an act of God to prevent me from playing. I was pretty disappointed to be captain of a team and have this whole thing happen. I haven&#039;t got to read up on too much but judging from the record DMR isn&#039;t fairing so well :(<br /><br />I have just been pretty busy since the power came back and the only Doom-related stuff is some 1v1&#039;s these past few days because I have been ITCHING to play. Next week my schedule should return as normal. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1795, 203, 1, 1273895277, 46, 1795, 'Re: Advertised Public idl2010h.wad Server? and 4v4 = 8v8 Advertised Public? ', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '174.25.121.67', 1, 0, '', 'You&#039;re the man, Ladna. Thanks!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1749, 199, 12, 1272151212, 167, 1749, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'mandolore', 'doom.candy@yahoo.com', '67.161.14.43', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Mandolore<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: doom.candy@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: mandolore14@hotmail.com (msn) <br />Regular Availability: Every day after 3pm (PST) ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1831, 216, 5, 1274309003, 7, 1835, 'Team Expansion', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.75.51.223', 1, 1274312635, 'Ladna', 'As the invite list currently stands, there will be 21 free agents when the draft ends.&nbsp; To me that&#039;s unacceptable, that&#039;s like 5 entire teams of players who can&#039;t play in IDL at all.&nbsp; I really think we need to expand to 10 teams.<br /><br />I think that we should dissolve the divisions, and make 2 5-team conferences.&nbsp; This helps to ensure that weak teams don&#039;t limp into playoffs.&nbsp; We can also change the playoff cutoff, but I personally think it&#039;s okay... if anything, the current cutoff is probably too lenient, and expansion would fix that.<br /><br />Also we should put these teams in the middle of the draft order, i.e. picks 5 and 6, pushing the last 4 teams down 2 picks.<br /><br />Mike says we need to decide/confirm captains before we officially expand, and I kind of agree.<br /><br />A (potentially better) idea is to have an expansion league.&nbsp; 4 teams, each led by an IDL player.&nbsp; Nostar volunteered, so that&#039;s at least 1 big name.&nbsp; This keeps us from fucking around with IDL&#039;s structure, and also allows 12 more players (instead of 8) playing time.&nbsp; Additionally, IDL captains won&#039;t have to guess about who&#039;s good and who will show up, the expansion does that for them.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1937, 222, 12, 1276568478, 10, 1937, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Please stop posting demos on the forum and upload them to the site the correct way (raw zdo format or zipped). Thanks!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1981, 228, 12, 1277715619, 10, 1981, 'Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 4 of IDL Summer 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 4 - MAP05 - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 4 - MAP05 - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 4 - MAP05 - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 4 - MAP05 - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Berserker Packers vs. Spread Eagles (DIV)<br /><br />Doom Raiders vs. Killing Browns<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys vs. Electric Bills<br /><br />Flag Steelers vs. Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2010, 210, 12, 1278515333, 16, 2010, 'Re: S2010 Free Agents - Trade History', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.33.199.134', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Nero link=topic=210.msg2009#msg2009 date=1278499617]<br />I&#039;m kinda sick of this season already, played 2 rounds, tried to help a team and captain who clearly needs it.. Ignored, then dismissed and placed on a team I&#039;d rather drink my own piss than play for. <br /><br />I think my season here is done this time around, thanks!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You want some cheese with that whine, nublet?<br /><br /> Maybe you can be a captain. <br /><br />Oh wait, that worked fabulous.&nbsp; :D', 'xx', 1);
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	(2157, 240, 12, 1281031507, 15, 2157, 'Re: Week 8 (Jul 26 - Aug 1) : 32in24-4 MAP31 (MAP31) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.97.218', 1, 0, '', 'I quit BSK', 'xx', 1);
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	(2176, 246, 1, 1281167536, 7, 2176, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '24.33.254.99', 1, 1281168231, 'Ralphis', '[url=http://www.totaltrash.org/info]http://www.totaltrash.org/info[/url].&nbsp; It&#039;s at the bottom.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3102, 345, 14, 1293231867, 3, 3102, 'Re: Winter 2010 Post-Draft Discussion &amp; Debate', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Copied Fast&#039;s post, also don&#039;t mean to offend anyone if I somehow manage to.<br /><br />---------------------<br /><br />[b]Doom Raiders Goatface Saber Mid Climhazzard[/b]<br /><br />Not a bad team. I like all of these players, they each bring their own take on CTF to the game, which might form something complete. Slow and steady may win their races.<br /><br />Prediction: DMR does a damn lot better than last season.<br /><br /><br />[b]Killing Browns Tai Whiteboy Goblin MadV[/b]<br /><br />Tai is one of the best defenders in the league, and White is one of the best period. I don&#039;t really know Goblin too much, but from what I&#039;ve seen he&#039;s probably on par with MadV in experience, which isn&#039;t bad. I think Tai should run at times with White on D for some of the more harder to defend maps, although they&#039;re both similar in that they have an inner rage that causes them to say &quot;fuck positions&quot; and just rambo their way through. I like that, with Goblin/MadV running around during those moments, they may feed off the power and pull out some fragging power runs.<br /><br />Prediction: KGB sees red.<br /><br />[b]Spread Eagles Mantis-X Chaindude Mandolore ThatsJustPrime[/b]<br /><br />This team isn&#039;t bad. Mantis is definitely a capable runner, and Chaindude probably knows more gags than anyone. Mando/Prime are both good players, but there&#039;s no definite defender, which will probably cause Mantis and Chain to pick up the D if they&#039;re not defenders already.<br /><br />Prediction: SPE ups Mando&#039;s and Prime&#039;s CTF experience.<br /><br />[b]Flag Steelers Legion Bloodstrike Kov Beast[/b]<br /><br />I kinda like this team, although Legion&#039;s thinking is often in a fantasy land, which causes him to think that he can see some hidden strengths and plays in players that normal people just fail to realize. Hopefully that&#039;s true for them, I like Beast and wanna see him play.<br /><br />Prediction: FLS has a lot of fun and a lot of stress simultaneously.<br /><br />[b]Sexual Panthers Humanbones Killingblair Dew MassVC[/b]<br /><br />All capable players, they just need to find the hidden formula. I really like Dew&#039;s style.<br /><br />Prediction: SXP export&#039;s wine to Dew and listen&#039;s to him pour it over Teamspeak.<br />[b]<br />Demonic Colts Caboose Shakal X-Ray Aerial[/b]<br /><br />This team should be good, but I can&#039;t accurately gauge how good. X-Ray is probably one of the most underrated players out there though.<br /><br />Prediction: Shakal monopolizes CTF.<br /><br />[b]Fnordy Niners Strangle Mikehail Collision Dosu[/b]<br /><br />Underrated team, underrated players. Strangle is a very good fragger, as is Collision. Dosu is also the best Mexican CTF player I&#039;ve seen, and will ride on top of any O if they&#039;ll ready their saddle.<br /><br />Prediction: KNF says a bunch of jokes and laugh.<br /><br />[b]Techno Vikings RussianDumbass Nostar Dr_Noob Turska<br />[/b]<br />Good team, on paper anyway. Nostar and Noob are the evil villains who can&#039;t help but have their heart&#039;s warmed by RussianDumbass, as he has the positive energy and playing power. Turska will connect these James Bond villains internationally, which might help them with additional resources.<br /><br />Prediction: TVK pulls strings and causes another IDL conspiracy worthy of a 5 page thread on the forums.<br /><br />[b]Super Chargers Ralphis Gilgamesh Joshsmith Reckless[/b]<br /><br />Everyone knows that Ralphis is The Rock, but what people may not know is that I am The Sock, forming the Rock and Sock connection that should hopefully create the perfect balance of ego and insanity. &#039;&quot;I am afraid of what I might do when I no longer have control of my mind... Have a nice day.&quot; - Mankind&#039; is a quote I&#039;ll be forced to deal with as long as I&#039;m on this team.<br /><br />Prediction: SUC stuffs socks down the people&#039;s throats causing them to hit rock bottom.<br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys ItalianStallion LordBritish Xenaero OurHero[/b]<br /><br />Good team for CTF and good team for arguing. If they can all keep their cool the fog may lift allowing them to see the path to victory.<br /><br />Prediction: BBC argues then gets impossibly stronger from adrenaline fueled rage.<br /><br />[b]Electric Bills Hatred RustInPeace Metalhead Higgs[/b]<br /><br />Hate says &quot;Yo&quot;, Metal says &quot;Hey&quot;, Rust says something about his brother.<br /><br />Prediction: EBL says screw CTF and goes to play Judas/D5M7 instead.<br /><br />[b]Berserker Packers Jenova Devastation RottKing Dawsonation[/b]<br /><br />This will be an interesting team to watch, just cause of the hugely different playing styles.<br /><br />Prediction: The ZD team patches the SR50 script and Jen turns off auto-run completely as a peaceful rebellion.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1629, 178, 11, 1267905153, 0, 1629, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Fastidious', '', '75.4.136.39', 1, 1267906645, 'Fastidious', 'OK, here is what I&#039;d like to see the IDL try, I hope some people post there own versions as well.<br /><br />-No invite list, open sign ups to anyone and everyone all season long<br />-Teams with worst record given priority on selecting players from the reserves<br />-Remove player bans in the future unless someone cheats or does other major disruptive behavior<br />-Remove franchising<br />-Expand to 10-12 teams if possible<br />-No conferences<br />-Two divisions<br />-Six week regular season with no BYE week<br />-Schedule is broken up into two week chunks with two specific matches due by the end of each two weeks<br />-Teams can play matches earlier than the schedule if they want<br />-Six teams make playoffs, three from each division<br />-Playoffs are setup as Div1 #1 vs BYE, Div2 #1 vs BYE, Div1 #2 vs Div2 #3, Div2 #2 vs Div1 #3<br />-Player voted map list before the season starts.&nbsp; People would post suggestions on the forum and we&#039;d all get together and play test maps.&nbsp; After that goes on a for a while we hold a big vote and the top 32 make it in the IDL wad.&nbsp; Top five vote getting maps are used in playoffs.&nbsp; If people don&#039;t want to participate then their loss<br />-Teams can choose any map in the IDL wad for their matches<br />-Matches are still three rounds.&nbsp; Each round is a different map, tie breaker would be random pick but can not be the same maps as teams already played<br />-Teams must pick a different map each week, so once you use a map it&#039;s gone for your team.&nbsp; Playoff maps can be used in the regular season<br />-Teams pick playoff maps as such:&nbsp; each team tosses a map out of the top five, then each teams picks a map they want for their round.&nbsp; Remaining map is tie breaker.&nbsp; Masterbowl could be best of five<br />-No 1v1, 2v1, 2v2, 3v2, 4v3, etc.&nbsp; All matches played 3v3 or 4v4, 4v4 only if both teams agree.&nbsp; If you can&#039;t get three to a scheduled match your team forfeits<br />-Captains selected by player vote, if you sign up you agree to captain should the players vote you into that role<br />-Multiple servers selection teams/players submit their average pings at the start of the season and these are used in general for selection.&nbsp; Only in cases where there is a drop in connection quality to a certain server would they be ignored.&nbsp; Teams should not be arguing or jumping back and forth between servers.&nbsp; When the schedule is set the server should be select as well.<br /><br />Intended result of these changes is:<br /><br />-Open league with more teams and players<br />-Mass variety in maps with teams able to choose their picks.&nbsp; You&#039;ll never know what is coming map wise<br />-Players in control of various functions and taking a more active role in the league which should lead to the most popular players being captains and the most popular maps being used most<br />-Shorter season and new format means much more unknown about teams especially when they meet in playoffs<br />-Random element to map tie breaker(and let&#039;s be honest the best team is still going to win most often)<br />-More flexibility in scheduling and variety all around<br /><br />Somethings I didn&#039;t touch on were:<br /><br />-How to schedule.&nbsp; I&#039;d like it to be an automated web form if teams or the league are having difficulty with it but who knows if that is possible.&nbsp; With a two week window and the possibility of playing matches early there should be a lot more flexibility<br />-I think teams should not have more then one EU player per team myself but I don&#039;t want to make it an official rule<br />-LordBritish should be captain of the 69ers<br />-No natural disaster such as ice storms allowed<br />-No car wrecks either!<br /><br />I probably missed some other stuff as well...', 'xx', 1);
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	(1595, 179, 11, 1267304232, 130, 1595, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '64.134.167.95', 1, 0, '', 'Really Ladna you&#039;re giving too much credence to Chow&#039;s remarks. The long and short of it is that he&#039;s only in the league because of the franchise system and he won&#039;t be returning next season whether or not it persists. He&#039;s just a troll and occasionally he says something that makes sense. Chalk it up to how much Puerto Ricans talk and statistics. Oh and here is why you&#039;re in the league chow...ME!!!!!! And I only did it because of my allegiance to Shak and our triangle. So you&#039;re really just a pawn if you think about it<br /><br />I can see why Cha0tix would think there was some great conspiracy. His minority upbringing lends itself to such exaggerations. If only they could afford TV their imaginations might atrophy like the rest of ours have. Fast on the other hands is an entitled white male, I cannot explain him.<br /><br />I want to emphasize how retarded he and Fast are being saying EBL got a bad wrap. Xen franchised and drafted badly. He then followed that up with captaining poorly. Now while I think he can do both effectively given some resources, he didn&#039;t have them this season and that is that. Actually one crap team a season isn&#039;t a terrible thing. They&#039;ll rebound in a big way next season...hopefully.<br /><br />Regardless, neither of Xen&#039;s missteps are on par with &quot;drowned in an ice storm&quot; or &quot;Hey the league needs a captain to take over a team or we&#039;re screwed.&quot; What does EBL have? Collision had connection problems...mid is online too late....Legion is a new guy? These are not things that merit recourse by administration and I would venture a guess that there are captains within IDL that could Captain EBL to the masterbowl with his drafted team. Mid and strange/collision are a good enough team to beat out KGB and DMR, and at least put up something against SUC. So yeah, there were some executive decisions made for BSK and DMR, but there wasn&#039;t anything unfair, and I hold the administration probably the most accountable because I am secretly bugging all their pms and channels and teamchats and bedrooms etc. Let&#039;s stop using EBL as an example of unfairness. Xen just does well every other season. Let&#039;s not put his failure on the league.<br /><br />When I read through many of these posts I hear a lot of &quot;well the league sucks and isn&#039;t doing anything&quot; followed immediately by &quot;the league does unfair and stupid things&quot; and then a little of &quot;well ralph and ladna are just evil selfish tyrants&quot;. You guys have to make up your minds. Is the league not doing enough, or are they just doing things you disagree with. Also Ralphis has way less actual input and power than all of you seem to think. He basically lets the board hang themselves most of the time, and the board is just made up of representative captains.<br /><br />Personally I think Xen should have been a board member a long time ago. This is politics if you&#039;re looking for some. Think about how UD makes up less than 50% of the board, and how Xen being an active player and willing board member was passed over just because they didn&#039;t want even the look of a UD run league. That is some hot bullshit if you ask me. He&#039;s been at the heart of IDL from the start, give him some fucking credit.<br /><br />Anyway I hope so see a lot of new people captaining next season. Blair, Jenova, Fastidious, Chain. Let&#039;s see some caps step up to a franchise-less draft and let the bedlam begin!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1596, 179, 11, 1267309296, 160, 1596, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.43', 1, 1267309461, 'cha0tix', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1591#msg1591 date=1267297891]<br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />For me quitting that one season it was due to bs like this&nbsp; (i.e. Ralphis magically instating the rule [b]AFTER[/b] the draft that teams must have 4 players). Screwing with the board is essentially how I was able to join after the deadline anyways.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I agree that changing the rules after the fact is gay.&nbsp; It&#039;s stuff like this that the administration tries to avoid, but we don&#039;t always succeed.<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Unrelated to my JEWelery, if you don&#039;t see the rigging first hand you would make a great Congressman. Franchising was meant to keep certain guys winning all the time.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />How would you know?&nbsp; You weren&#039;t around when franchising was being discussed, so I assume you&#039;re referring to the results of franchising.&nbsp; Here&#039;s the Masterbowl matchups for Seasons 5 and 6:<br /><br />Super Chargers (Nostar, Potentpotables, JKist3, Cheez-It) vs. Flag Steelers (Ralphis, Oath, Gilgamesh, Iceykiller)<br />Super Chargers (Nostar, Potentpotables, JKist3, Gyrossman) vs. Brokeback Cowboys (Mantis-X, ItalianStallion, METALBLACK, DeathBRinger)<br /><br />So far only 1 admin has made it (Mantis wasn&#039;t a board member in Season 6).&nbsp; Ralphis, Gilgamesh and Potent all have Masterbowl rings from before the Franchise era.&nbsp; Nostar and Potent were on the successful DSP and WAD teams together.&nbsp; Mantis-X was part of the formidable TXT and TCM squads, and METALBLACK was on the famous perfect-season PAK.&nbsp; It looks like these players don&#039;t really need help winning.&nbsp; In fact, if you look at IDL, you start to get the feeling that some players are just better at this game than others.&nbsp; I don&#039;t know if that&#039;s true or not, but I don&#039;t really see how franchising has changed anything.&nbsp; Strong players go far.<br /><br />Furthermore, strong players teamed up long before the franchise era.&nbsp; As mentioned before, Nostar &amp; Potent played together for 4 straight seasons.&nbsp; Ralphis &amp; Humanbones played together on CTB, you and Shakal were briefly on the same team, Chaindude and METALBLACK were on PAK together, and so on.&nbsp; In fact in a way, you are right.&nbsp; We thought that pairing players up that were strong or had good chemistry (or at least didn&#039;t hate each other) would result in stronger teams and better competition.&nbsp; I think that we&#039;re mostly right about that.&nbsp; If teams avoid connection and attendance problems, they generally compete well.<br /><br />And finally, look at the players that teamed up in the franchise era:<br /><br />Tai/METALBLACK, Tai/Cookies, Tai/Mikehail*<br />Xenaero/Doomguy, Xenaero/Sabertooth, Xenaero/midian<br />Nostar/Potent, Nostar/Potent, Ralphis/Nostar<br />Chain/Whiteboy, Doomguy/Shadow_Ghost*, Doomguy/Jenova*<br /><br />Humanbones/midian, Humanbones/midian, Shakal/Cha0tix<br />Killingblair/Mikehail*, Nero/JKist*, Shadow_Ghost/Humanbones<br />Sabertooth/Caboose, Mantis-X/ItalianStallion, Mantis-X/ItalianStallion<br />Ralphis/Oath, Ralphis/RottKing, Ladna/Whiteboy*<br /><br />[i]* not a franchise[/i]<br /><br />Of all these matchups, here&#039;s the ones that made it to the conference finals:<br /><br />Nostar/Potent vs. Chain/Whiteboy<br />Humanbones/midian (and Ladna) vs. Ralphis/Oath<br /><br />Xenaero/Sabertooth vs. Nostar/Potent<br />Humanbones/midian (and mikehail) vs. Mantis-X/ItalianStallion<br /><br />The only admin members who made it (over two seasons) were Bones, me, Ralphis and Mike.&nbsp; All this is to say that if we enacted franchising so we could create super teams that won everything, then we seriously failed... so no problem then!&nbsp; It&#039;s also worth mentioning that the only duos that stuck together for more than one season are Nostar/Potent, Humanbones/midian, and Mantis-X/ItalianStallion.&nbsp; 3 out of 16 possible matchups isn&#039;t what I would call a concerted effort to keep certain teams winning all the time.<br /><br />The administration&#039;s actions this season run counter to your argument as well.&nbsp; Mantis, Denny, Goatface and I wouldn&#039;t want a strong BSK, so why would we allow a (quite strong actually) duo of Shakal and Cha0tix on it?&nbsp; Mikehail &amp; Ralphis wouldn&#039;t want a strong DMR, and furthermore they had a few games against WDC teams, so why would we want to put LordBritish on that team?<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Got people talkin&#039; about how they don&#039;t want anymore crippled games but wouldn&#039;t hesitate to have &#039;em if it meant their team would win. ::)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Haha, I have no class, it is true.&nbsp; On the other hand, why should I punish my team because my opponents can&#039;t get their act together?&nbsp; Why shouldn&#039;t I take advantage of an easy win for my team?&nbsp; In fact, whenever we face a team that can&#039;t get 3 players on, I ask my team what they want to do.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good policy to force players to do things they don&#039;t want to do, but personally I don&#039;t have a problem with 3v2.&nbsp; I guess I should say that my team has a lot more class than I do, and so far has refused to 3v2 other teams.<br /><br />From a league administration standpoint though, it&#039;s clear that 3v2 isn&#039;t helpful to the league, so we&#039;re most likely going to require that teams get 3 players together.<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />And yes, DMR got a better team in my eyes and Shak is lucky I was jewed in but I feel DD&#039;s team should have been handled better than it was.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />How?&nbsp; Should we have given them LB instead of letting them trade Collision to free agency for Strangle?&nbsp; Then what would we have done with DMR?&nbsp; I mean, I admit that not inviting British into the league was a big mistake; it was a miscommunication actually, and when it was realized it was too late.&nbsp; In fact, I&#039;m glad that he&#039;s gotten a chance to play on DMR.&nbsp; And I also feel bad that Xen&#039;s had such a crappy season, and is kind of getting dumped on in this thread.&nbsp; He&#039;s a solid captain and player, and he does his best for his teams without expecting handouts.&nbsp; Let&#039;s not forget his stellar showing last season, when he&nbsp; (and Sabertooth/Collision) only lost to SUC on their gay MAP08 stronghold.<br /><br />Anyway, no matter what we did this season, a team was screwed.&nbsp; It&#039;s not like we decided that team was going to be EBL, and it&#039;s not like we like the other teams more than we like the players on EBL.&nbsp; It&#039;s just the way things ended up.&nbsp; To me, the only reasonable alternative would&#039;ve been to strictly adhere to the rules, but then maybe more people would be saying things like:<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />Also the board seems pretty spineless now that I think about them too.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />To be honest, I can&#039;t think of anything that the administration does that really requires &quot;spine&quot; so to speak.&nbsp; Maybe enforcement of the rules.&nbsp; I am kind of spineless in that regard, I usually leave the dirty work to Ralphis :) .<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix link=topic=178.msg1589#msg1589 date=1267253913]<br />The reason being DMR and BSK got better results due to some buttfuckery.<br /><br />Going &quot;out on a limb&quot; to help doesn&#039;t mean its fair.&nbsp; ;)<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t even know what this means.&nbsp; All of us in the administration helped these teams out to the detriment to our own teams.&nbsp; And are you in favor of fairness, or are you in favor of &quot;buttfuckery&quot; to help teams out?&nbsp; Because if you didn&#039;t want us to help BSK out, then you could easily have not joined.&nbsp; Anyway, the only thing we got in return for our actions was a stronger league and happier players.&nbsp; There were no reacharounds, heh.<br /><br />On the other hand, I&#039;d like to think that if we address the issues you&#039;ve brought up in some way that you&#039;ll entertain the idea of playing in IDL in the future.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[quote]Ladna says some mean things about other players[/quote]<br /><br />Don&#039;t get me wrong, I don&#039;t have anything against anyone.&nbsp; But when we&#039;re evaluating who would be a good captain, here are things we look for:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Do they have experience in IDL[/li]<br />[li]Can they reasonably lead a team, or can they get advice from someone who will help them[/li]<br />[li]Have they screwed us before[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />I don&#039;t think that captains try and mess IDL up, and I don&#039;t want to imply that they do.&nbsp; But we&#039;d be remiss if we didn&#039;t take captains quitting former teams into consideration.&nbsp; I&#039;m sorry if you guys feel like you were attacked, but all of the things I said were true.&nbsp; I&#039;m not saying that anyone&#039;s done anything wrong, but when we&#039;re considering potential captains we have to use past actions as potential future behavior.&nbsp; That said, whenever anyone captains we&#039;re honestly grateful; especially when they take over teams that are failing, or a team that did well in the previous season and consequently has a low pick.&nbsp; It&#039;s no accident that the majority of admins are also captains; it basically ends up that we can&#039;t get anyone else to do it.&nbsp; I don&#039;t remember who was and wasn&#039;t in favor of Nero captaining, but I remember that when he quit I wished he didn&#039;t, because now we had to find someone who wanted to captain SPE.&nbsp; Getting captains on board is easily the hardest part of getting a season together.<br /><br />I&#039;d be extremely happy if all the captains and players returned next season.&nbsp; I&#039;ve had a good time playing with you all.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Anyway, I split this thread off again because it was getting heated.&nbsp; Rant and rave away.&nbsp; Booooo Ladna!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i50.tinypic.com/25g80pc.jpg[/img]<br /><br />Legitimate reply coming after some Cliff&#039;s Notes.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1607, 179, 11, 1267334953, 7, 1607, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.50.230.158', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />I thought I would just say if you guys haven&#039;t figured it out yet I&#039;m fanning the flames on purpose for a reason.&nbsp; So people take action and do things.&nbsp; Demagoguery is fun.&nbsp; I like to do this about once a season at least, haha.&nbsp; I remember when I first started posting on the IDL and brought up shit and everyone was like &quot;who is this guy&quot;.&nbsp; Good times.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />If it&#039;s all the same to you, I&#039;d like it if you didn&#039;t do stuff like this.&nbsp; If only because it takes up a lot of my time to straighten everything you say out.&nbsp; I also don&#039;t buy this puppetmaster thing.&nbsp; For a guy who&#039;s so good at getting people to do what he wants, you sure seem to be frustrated that we&#039;re not doing so.&nbsp; I think there&#039;s reasonable ways to get people thinking without trying to make huge flame threads -- which I don&#039;t really think this is, I&#039;ve seen way worse on the ZD forums.&nbsp; I love talking about this stuff, my family is a family of arguers; we&#039;ll argue until 6am about... basically anything.&nbsp; I&#039;m also really open and receptive to ideas, anyone who&#039;s worked on the board with me knows this.&nbsp; I really hope no one feels like I shout them down or anything, I think of all of the ZDaemon institutions (if IDL even counts), IDL is the most open and most easygoing.<br /><br />Anyway I love to discuss and argue about IDL and Doom.&nbsp; No need to fan flames heh.&nbsp; I&#039;m not trying to tell you to shut the hell up, but maybe to be less inflammatory.&nbsp; It is a suggestion :) .<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Anyhow on with the &quot;real talk&quot;...<br /><br />Ralph I&#039;m sure if I had access to massive IRC logs and the DE forums I could come up with many examples.&nbsp; I don&#039;t usually save such examples or remember them to use in the future.&nbsp; I think most people know the IDL has had a lot of fuck ups.&nbsp;  One of my favorites was how long it took to get Dragan, like four weeks wasn&#039;t?&nbsp; That was a joke.&nbsp; UD CONSPIRACY.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Was Dragan ever in UD?&nbsp; I don&#039;t think he was.&nbsp; I could be wrong though, I learn about new UD people all the time.&nbsp; Clan&#039;s older than dirt.&nbsp; Anyway, screenshot or it didn&#039;t happen.&nbsp; Either things are based on evidence or you&#039;re making them up.&nbsp; Yeah IDL&#039;s made a bunch of mistakes, and I think we have a reasonable system for avoiding the major ones.&nbsp; If you think there&#039;s a flaw, please (politely!) point it out.&nbsp; I guess I&#039;ll take rudely too, what the hell.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Why is mixing and matching stupid?&nbsp; The IDL already mixes and matches(3v2, 2v2, 2v1) but those are unfair so I guess that&#039;s OK, so I don&#039;t see how you can deny 4v4 as an option especially since is a fair match.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Changing the format changes the dynamics between team matchups.&nbsp; If a team has strong players in 3 spots and a weak 4th (this happens) against a more well-rounded group of 4 players, then that group of 4 players immediately gets an advantage in a 4v4 match.&nbsp; It&#039;s not unfair, it&#039;s just different than IDL has done it in the past.&nbsp; Actually I would call it unfair, because there&#039;s a limit to how far you can stretch &quot;fairness&quot;.&nbsp; If it was just based on number of players, then why don&#039;t we just randomly assign captains and players to teams.&nbsp; I&#039;m not trying to &quot;jump to conclusions&quot; here, but to illustrate that there are limits to the definition of &quot;an IDL game&quot;.&nbsp; So far that hasn&#039;t been 4v4, and it&#039;s more complicated than just allowing the option.&nbsp; In fact allowing the option is more complicated than switching formats wholesale.<br /><br />I&#039;m not in favor of 3v2, or 2v2, or 2v1.&nbsp; We talked about this a lot in Season 5 actually, and we decided that 3v2 was a good threat to prevent teams from trying to force 2v2s, and that actually having 3v2s was still preferable to 2v2s.&nbsp; Or at least, giving teams options... I think you call this &quot;having faith in the player base&quot;.&nbsp; What I am in favor of is making teams get 3 players.&nbsp; I&#039;ve always wanted this actually, but everyone I talked to said that a 3v2 is better than a forfeit.&nbsp; I tried to argue that real-life sports won&#039;t let you play short, but people said that this wasn&#039;t a real sport, or I was being too competitive, and that I should trust the players.<br /><br />You can see that not every issue is cut and dry.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />4v4 would let more players play, isn&#039;t that the point of the IDL?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No.&nbsp; Invite-only, unadvertised, passworded servers, etc. etc. etc.&nbsp; We&#039;re not exactly the paragon of openness.&nbsp; This has been ridiculed by many, including me, and some of it was even my idea.&nbsp; But the point of IDL isn&#039;t to get as many players playing as possible.&nbsp; More players is certainly a goal, but it&#039;s subservient to the other goals of fun/fair/competitive IMO.&nbsp; I&#039;d forgive you for being confused, the recent push to get more players into IDL is because a lot of us (including me) think that without new players really soon, IDL will die.&nbsp; I like IDL, but I hate shitty games, and if IDL turns into a league where shitty games happen more often than not, then I&#039;ll hate it too.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />I guess not.&nbsp; We play 4v4 a shit ton in private.&nbsp; The only real reason the league is 3v3 is due to logistics.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I doubt it.&nbsp; We&#039;re talking seriously about expanding to 12 teams next season, which is 48 players (36 in the top 3).&nbsp; With 48 players, we can easily have a 4v4 league with 8 teams, 5 players a piece.&nbsp; So we assume we can get the players, but we&#039;re choosing more teams rather than a different format, which indicates that it&#039;s not a question of logistics.<br /><br />Personally I like 4v4 better.&nbsp; When I play 3v3 I feel like my main job is to frag as much as I can, and think later (something like 90% of the time the team with the most frags wins, I forget what the real numbers were but it was convincing).&nbsp; I&#039;m not a big fragger, and I feel like in 4v4 I can play the game the way I want to, which is a more nuanced, strategic game.&nbsp; Then again more players can turn into a shitfest, and maybe I feel like I&#039;m too weak to really compete in a 3v3, so who knows.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=179.msg1585#msg1585 date=1267232320]I&#039;m sure that my situation has likely held the league back in terms of growth as time has passed and I&#039;m sure a bit of selfishness plays into this on my part.[/quote]<br /><br />Just a bit?&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; Hopefully this will not be an issue in the future.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I hope so too, but I hope that Ralphis is able to continue as commissioner, captain and player and that IDL can be public.&nbsp; The whole situation is really a great example of ZDaemon stupidity, from top to bottom, us and them.&nbsp; But I don&#039;t want to compromise until I have to.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]Change in what way?&nbsp; I&#039;d argue that IDL went through a major change in Season 5, mostly all of which was Ralphis&#039; idea.&nbsp; In fact, the only thing I can think of in recent memory he said he&#039;d veto was switching to 4v4.&nbsp; I would also rather avoid a big change that destroys the league as opposed to doing the same thing next season.&nbsp; IDL is good enough, and it can be better.&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t mean we have to overhaul everything every season, that&#039;s madness.[/quote] <br /><br />What is it with you guys, putting crazy thoughts on everything.&nbsp; Slipperly slope much Ladna?&nbsp; You seem to be jumping to huge fucking conclusions in your own mind based on nothing.&nbsp; Did anyone say they want the IDL overhauled every season, WTF?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Also I don&#039;t think the IDL player base is going anywhere too fast.&nbsp; We have proven to be remarkably resilient.&nbsp; I think we can risk some meaningful changes.&nbsp; Have faith in the player base.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I think most of the things you&#039;ve suggested are major changes.&nbsp; Changing to 4v4, in any capacity really, is a major change.&nbsp; Changing the way maps are selected and played is a major change.&nbsp; Maybe we just have different definitions.&nbsp; When I made that comment I was referring to your suggestions, which off the top of my head all seem major.&nbsp; I&#039;m not opposed to such change, or even specifically the changes you&#039;ve mentioned, but I want to have a reasonable and full discussion of the consequences before I go ahead with it.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Why can Ralph just veto anything like 4v4?&nbsp; What&#039;s the deal with that?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Rules are rules, and clearly spelled out on the site.&nbsp; Maybe you mean, &quot;why does Ralphis have so much power?&quot; and the answer is, &quot;he doesn&#039;t have as much power as you think&quot;.&nbsp; A 4/5 vote by the board overrides a veto, and this has happened before.&nbsp; However, usually it&#039;s to avoid tracking him down to get him to pass something, I can&#039;t remember the last time we actually overrode him.&nbsp; Most of the time the board agrees on things, the most divisive issue by far is captains and the invite list.&nbsp; Well maybe maps, but that&#039;s obvious right?&nbsp; Heh.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Why can&#039;t the players vote on things.&nbsp; Is the IDL really so fucking big that we need a government that isn&#039;t even representative to us?&nbsp; At least if the players pick things they will have no one to blame except themselves.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Because simply putting things to a huge vote makes in-depth discussion impossible.&nbsp; The board has voted on countless things, and if we had the community vote on each one we&#039;d still be counting.&nbsp; Plus the logistics are difficult, I could write a vote app, but do players want to be bugged?&nbsp; If players get to opt out, is that representative?<br /><br />Maybe those are weak arguments.&nbsp; It&#039;s hard to say that we don&#039;t do anything in secret, because if we did how would you guys know?&nbsp; Haha.&nbsp; I guess you&#039;ll just have to take my word for it.&nbsp; All the rules we have are on the site.&nbsp; All the changes we make are posted on the forums.&nbsp; I think that, if players give a shit, that it&#039;s real easy to double-click &#039;Ladna&#039; on IRC and be like:<br /><br />&quot;I fuckin hate 3v2.&nbsp; Goddamn man.&quot;<br /><br />I started to advocate that we require teams get 3 players together because my team was like, &quot;3v2 games are so retarded, they make me want to quit the league.&quot;&nbsp; This was maybe a week ago or so, and since then we&#039;ve pretty much decided to make that a rule.&nbsp; I think that&#039;s a pretty fast reaction time.<br /><br />Maybe you can argue that you&#039;ve wanted 3v2 and 2v1 games banned for years now.&nbsp; I suppose when I&#039;m arguing, I&#039;m really only referring to the time since the Board formed.&nbsp; Really everything before that was whatever you admin guys wanted to do, from what I understand.&nbsp; To me it&#039;s unfair to hold the current administration accountable for stuff that happened in seasons before 5, mostly because the only person who had anything to do with it was Ralphis, and this whole Doom CTF league was a pretty new idea.&nbsp; Anyway, from the time someone communicated directly to me that 3v2s were shitty, it took about a week for me to come up with a solution and get everyone on board, even less probably.&nbsp; But if players aren&#039;t gonna voice concerns, then I don&#039;t see what I can do. <br /><br />But hey, you guys are all players!&nbsp; What do you think about voting?&nbsp; If you have an opinion, put in the other, productive thread.&nbsp; Again we&#039;re always looking for ways to make the league better, if you think voting would do that, say so and why.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />I know some people on the board have the attitude that the players are all idiots and you have to lead us to the pot of gold but why can&#039;t the players vote on things?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;d be careful if I were you, because this sounds like something a huge asshole would say.&nbsp; Nobody in the administration thinks that, and to suggest that you &quot;know&quot; something like that is bullshit.&nbsp; I have a lot of respect for the players in this league, most of whom are much better at this game than I am, and I rely on everyone in the league to help the administration out when we&#039;re fucking up.&nbsp; I still think that that system works; if we ever make mistakes I expect we&#039;ll hear about them, if not, then I don&#039;t know what to do.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]What do you mean, &quot;the fact is debating and winning arguments isn&#039;t what should decide how a league is run&quot;?&nbsp; How else are we supposed to decide things?[/quote]<br /><br />Some people will argue until anyone else gives up.&nbsp; I know because Ralph used to do that all the time with me.&nbsp; You can always come up with a fucking reason or rationalization why something will fail or not work.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah this is called taking a look at the possible pros and cons of a decision.&nbsp; There are often many of each for every issue.&nbsp; I would definitely call the board conservative, but I think that is best.&nbsp; I think that captains and players having a basic understanding of the way IDL works is important, and if we keep changing that all the time then it&#039;s hard to learn the game.&nbsp; Are you saying that IDL is too conservative?&nbsp; What would you have had us try in the last 2 1/2 seasons that would have made us less conservative?<br /><br />A cool idea that Nostar and I were discussing is to have a &quot;wild&quot; season in IDL.&nbsp; So like, Winter would be your normal 3v3 or whatever, basically the stuff that works.&nbsp; Summer is the time when we try ridiculous things.&nbsp; To me that would be a big relief, I&#039;d love the chance to try stuff without worrying that we&#039;d destroy IDL forever.<br /><br />I think that because IDL, and ZDDL also, have been so successful, we forget what happens to every other ZDaemon tournament and league.&nbsp; These leagues are really oddities; when we say that IDL is the longest-enduring CTF league in Doom&#039;s history, we really mean it and we&#039;re proud of it.&nbsp; I also have no idea why this is, and don&#039;t want to fuck with the voodoo that makes it work every season.&nbsp; I think that it&#039;s purely social.&nbsp; I tell my friends I have fun in IDL and get them to play with me.&nbsp; Chaindude tells his friends that IDL isn&#039;t gay this season and gets them to play.&nbsp; We try and make this happen as much as possible, and I would [b]LOVE[/b] suggestions to help out.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Until you fucking try it you don&#039;t know, do you?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is a crazy way to make decisions by the way.&nbsp; Until I try stabbing myself in the dick, I don&#039;t know if it will hurt!&nbsp; At some point, logic has to mean something.&nbsp; It&#039;s amazing how philosophical this debate has become.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]These options blow.[/quote]<br /><br />Not as much as not playing a fair match.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />That&#039;s because you don&#039;t have to suffer the consequences, you just get to reap the benefits.&nbsp; You&#039;re not the one volunteering to check excuses, you&#039;re not the one coming up with a fair limit on 2v2 games, and you&#039;re definitely the one who will criticize us for forfeiting teams when we &quot;guess&quot; they&#039;re trying to cheat the league.&nbsp; This is an extremely selfish thing to say.&nbsp; &quot;Yeah I&#039;d rather have fun and make someone else do extra work to make it more fun!&quot;&nbsp; Goddamn.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Also Ladna I know you play politics too because you offered to let me upload a fake demo and I refused your scum bag ass.&nbsp;  8)&nbsp; Yeah but politics are all just conspiracy in my mind, huh?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah, it was pretty honorable of you too.&nbsp; IDK, to me, the demo rule is for posterity and finding cheaters.&nbsp; There are other demos of that game, and you clearly don&#039;t cheat, so I didn&#039;t want to punish you.&nbsp; Actually what I said was something like:<br /><br />[quote]<br />&lt;Ladna&gt; Hey upload a different demo<br />&lt;Ladna&gt; If someone figures it out you&#039;ll eventually have to admit you don&#039;t have it<br />&lt;Ladna&gt; But I won&#039;t say anything<br />&lt;Fastidious&gt; I won&#039;t upload a fake demo<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t chalk it up to politics.&nbsp; I just think that punishing people for no reason is gay, and I wanted to avoid it.&nbsp; I&#039;ve actually never enforced a demo violation myself, and I freely admit that I am spineless.&nbsp; It would maybe be politics if you were on my team, or I liked you ;) .<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Also what was the deal with so many teams missing demos without penalty but I was going to have to miss a match over mine until I found the demos and re-uploaded them.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The timeline of events is important here.&nbsp; When someone told me that your demos were missing/broken it was Week 2, and you were the only one with a demo problem.&nbsp; Thus penalizing you wouldn&#039;t be a complete fucking disaster.&nbsp; When I recently tried to make everyone upload their demos it was after Week 7, and there were like 40 demos missing.&nbsp; Penalizing all those players and teams would have been a complete fucking disaster.&nbsp; Awesome though I am, I don&#039;t have time to make sure that everything is running like it should be, so situations like this happen.<br /><br />So let&#039;s talk about what I decided to do, because I think my actions in both instances are debatable.&nbsp; I guess I couldn&#039;t have penalized you for your missing demos, because you actually had them, but let&#039;s say that you didn&#039;t, and the choice was between trying to help you skirt the rules and penalizing you.&nbsp; I mean, my position is clear :) .&nbsp; In the other case, should I have just penalized all those players with missing demos?<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Again seems like politics, people unfairly applying the rules.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Actually in this case, it was me fairly not applying the demo rule to anyone.&nbsp; I don&#039;t mean to split hairs here, but I haven&#039;t treated anyone differently.&nbsp; Fortunately, suggesting that people try and avoid punishment isn&#039;t against the rules!&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; OK I&#039;m a little proud of myself for this argument, I&#039;ll admit it.&nbsp; It is a good one.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />Doesn&#039;t even matter if the IDL has specific rules or not, people will do bullshit anyways.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Yeah you&#039;re probably right.&nbsp; It&#039;s kind of part of the fun though.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />That is why I&#039;d like to see the players more involved on every level if possible.&nbsp; Then it is our fault if something stupid happens and we let it.&nbsp; Maybe the board should be bigger, maybe each captain should be a member, or maybe the league should just open voting on many things to the players.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I would love players to be more involved on every level.&nbsp; Gogogogogogoggogogogog.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />For the record I don&#039;t have any hard feelings towards anyone in this thread, hope it is likewise.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I also have no hard feelings.&nbsp; I think it&#039;s important to argue all sides vigorously, otherwise everyone loses.&nbsp; I&#039;m not the type to hold grudges anyway.&nbsp; UNLESS YOU QUIT IDL AS A CAPTAIN, THEN I WILL NEVER FORGIVE YOU, AND CALL YOU OUT EVERY CHANCE I GET.&nbsp; Unless you are on my team, or I like you.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1599, 179, 11, 1267319388, 157, 1599, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Legion_', 'theomegaantin00b@gmail.com', '71.116.2.222', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=179.msg1577#msg1577 date=1267213144]<br />I would also like to point out that for the past 3 days or so (before I started reading this thread), I have a set of binds that I have played during the intermission after every pub game I play.&nbsp; They go a little something like &quot;Looking for competitive CTF League action?&nbsp; Check out the IDL!&nbsp; PM me on ZRC for details.&quot; and &quot;Also, check out www.intldoomleague.org for more information as well as demos from the current season!&quot;&nbsp; Now, this was just a spur of the moment thing I made one time, and I don&#039;t want you all to start sucking my dick because I&#039;m trying to help (a cookie would be nice though), but I&#039;m just showing how easy it is to do.&nbsp; We don&#039;t have to organize some mass fucking pub raid, we don&#039;t need [IDL] tags (or maybe we do, what the hell do I know, but LordBritish doesn&#039;t fit with a 3 letter tag), we just need to make a simple bind and let it fly.&nbsp; THEN ACTUALLY TALK TO PEOPLE WHO ARE INTERESTED.&nbsp; I see IDL people play pub all the time. Denny, KB, Star, Stallion, Legion, chow (if you care, I know you said you don&#039;t, and that&#039;s fine), and anyone else, this is calling you out.&nbsp; Make the binds, talk to the people, and get some new players.&nbsp; I will be, and you can too.<br />[/quote]<br />Ok I&#039;ll do this for you lb!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1600, 179, 11, 1267320549, 19, 1600, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.247.158', 1, 0, '', 'See, I figured I was a good source of drama every now and then, but [b]this[/b] takes the goddamn cake. This is absurd and out of control. You should all seriously be ashamed of yourselves for taking this retarded argument [b]this[/b] far. I&#039;m just gonna put in my opinion and not quote anyone else because that will just stir things up even more and that would be bad for the league in general. More animosity towards each other is not what we need. I dunno what happened to everyone&#039;s sense of logic but it&#039;s tearing IDL apart and driving players both veteran and fresh-blooded off the scene.<br /><br />There is no such thing as politics in this. All it is is players vying for opportunities to help them succeed which is perfectly normal. What isn&#039;t normal is to throw hot water on the league administrators because [b]you[/b] don&#039;t get your way. That&#039;s not being political. That&#039;s being a goddamn whiny manbaby. Cut it out, because it limits IDL&#039;s full potential as a league that welcomes all players in this slowly dying community/port. You&#039;ll never get new blood if you keep going for the jugular on each other. Get it? Get it?????<br /><br />Another thing, I think people get the wrong impression of how I captain. I made choices this season based off performance and activity in the month or so before draft happened. I inquired individual players and did my own research. In hindsight, this was not too stable of a method as things obviously change after a player gets drafted. Their interest may wane, their priorities may change, who knows, right? Let me set the record straight, I&#039;m in no way, shape or form, denying that EBL&#039;s performance is not my fault in part or full. I made some bad choices without thinking a whole lot about them. For instance, instead of franchising a player who had attendance issues, no matter his reassurance to his activity on EBL, I could have foregone that and entered the draft to get a higher pick, just like some other teams had. It could have gotten me into a much higher position with players that could have seriously helped EBL.<br /><br />What I&#039;m saying is most of what happened to my team is my fault, not the league&#039;s. And things also just happen. It&#039;s how it is. I myself have lost interest for numerous reasons that I&#039;ve harped on endless times in Doom in general. Like you know, the poor netcode, lack of practice, etc. Mostly netcode cause it pisses me off to no end. So what? That&#039;s how I operate. I could have practiced with my team more past the first few weeks but at that point I had deemed it such a miserable effort I figured it not worth it overall. Collision was traded for Strangle and that did help, although it wouldn&#039;t save the team, I didn&#039;t want to scramble for 3 players every week.<br /><br />I made no petition to the administration about mid&#039;s activity. Why would I? I made that choice to bring him on board, and the rules prohibit trading franchises. If he vanished then I&#039;d have to figure something out, but this late in the season there is zero chance that EBL could make it into the playoffs so it&#039;s not a big deal anyway. Like a billion people have told me when I get frustrated: It&#039;s a game. I&#039;m a competitive player and obviously I care about my standing statistically and my reputation amongst other competitive player, as well as my perceived skill level. It&#039;s no doubt that I&#039;ve practiced my nuts off time and time again. I admit I won&#039;t be as good as some players, but I don&#039;t let it keep me down. It&#039;s entirely possible that I am just not a good captain. Who knows! It could be a big string of bad luck. I&#039;m still undecided over whether or not to captain next season. It&#039;s not out of rage, it&#039;s simply that there could be someone who utilizes that spot better than me.<br /><br />Either way, this whole &#039;favored treatment&#039; for teams argument is absolute horseshit and you should all be pointing the fingers at yourselves, not others, for starting this.<br /><br />You expect a professional level of rules and gameplay in a league for a game (excuse me, MODIFIED via source port game) that&#039;s over 15 years old. It&#039;s not going to happen. There are no sponsors or cash prizes, so what are you expecting? Calm down and play somewhere else if the progaming matters that much to you. Call me a hypocrite if you want but you have to admit that&#039;s the logical argument here. You can practice and compete all you want but the level of fun for [b]everyone[/b] drops significantly when bullshit like this happens season after season.<br /><br />As for the league policy itself, I feel that a fair adjustment to the rules would be to have unlimited trading up to the end of Week 8. Yes, week 8, not week 9. The week before the last week! Week week week...<br /><br />I&#039;m not saying that because I want to trade people. Well, I might in future seasons, but the current cutoff seems to limit major fuckups to happening only in the early part of the league. To be fair the idea did spring up when I realized I could have traded for a better player past the deadline. I&#039;m sure other teams have come to this conclusion in the past to try to save their ailing team. To be truly flexible, it would be nice to have this option available for teams to use. This change in the rules would not only put in place future safeguards against players dropping for whatever reasons, but also addresses the core problem a lot of you seem to be bickering over. Trades [b]rarely[/b] happen so the chance of &#039;abuse&#039; is slim to none. I&#039;m not even making a reference to NS there. I want to pose a question on how you can abuse something that is sanctioned by the league as a valid tool for captains to use as they will. Of course, the matter of players intentionally hindering their teams to &#039;exploit&#039; this is a different matter and should be discussed as such in a separate thread of conversation.<br /><br />And I want to point out that someone could have written up an idea just like I did instead of causing a huge shitstorm that could probably fill a book that&#039;d make Tolkein blush.<br /><br />If you&#039;re going to trash other people do it in-game, not here. IDL has turned from a great gathering of competitive players with a touch of trash talk to [b]this topic[/b]. Cut it out, and let&#039;s improve shit instead of causing shit.', 'xx', 1);
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	(6622, 642, 17, 1333357823, 15, 6622, 'Re: Hatred won a masterbowl', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '173.178.167.41', 1, 0, '', 'Best team in IDL history.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1652, 185, 11, 1268661680, 160, 1652, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.58', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=185.msg1649#msg1649 date=1268593171]<br />I&#039;m hearing you say a lot of &quot;this isn&#039;t worth my time&quot; or &quot;i have other obligations&quot;. Yet you take the time on our forums to offer up baseless accusations and defend a lackluster performance by you and your team.[/quote]<br /><br />It only takes a few minutes to post.&nbsp; ::) And you brought it up. Posting != IDL dedication.<br /><br />If you don&#039;t want me to respond, then say so.&nbsp; :o<br /><br />[quote]Whether you want to admit it or not you had a pretty okay team and you bombed.[/quote]<br /><br />I do admit to that. Read up.<br /><br />[quote]I really don&#039;t think that you understand how little time and energy it takes to be a good IDL player. Metalblack is a perfect example. Oath, Denny, or Ladna would also work well for reference .[/quote]<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t consider any of them playing at full potential most of the time.<br /><br />[quote]What I&#039;m saying to you is by the standards of this league (which are remarkably low) you&#039;ve earned an F. 25% is an F.[/quote]<br /><br />You remind me of a teacher I had.<br /><br />[quote]And while we&#039;re on that topic, the reason you&#039;re non-participatory is because you&#039;re a douche and very few people can stand you.[/quote]<br /><br /> :&#039;(<br /><br />[quote]Not because you don&#039;t like IDL, not because it&#039;s &quot;not worth your time&quot; but because you&#039;re not bearable.[/quote]<br /><br />I admit I am difficult at times, but now you&#039;re telling [b]ME[/b] reasons to why [b]I[/b] don&#039;t participate?&nbsp; ::)<br /><br />[quote]One thing we did agree on is that we were in a problem thread. I think it&#039;s unfortunate that this was spilt but whatever. Ladna has his agenda to keep organized I guess.[/quote]<br /><br />Ditto.<br /><br />[quote]So far as I can tell you play more than most. I see you in public quite often.[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;ve played public a couple of times, but I dropped off pretty sharp come the bye week and haven&#039;t touched the game much since the last SmartCTF test/Priv (whichever came last). I haven&#039;t even had ZD installed in like a week now.<br /><br />[quote]Actually one of the reasons I flame you is because I know you&#039;re around and active even though you claim not to be.[/quote]<br /><br />I hope this isn&#039;t based on any recent statistic.<br /><br />[quote]You&#039;re probably one of the more active players in IDL, strange as that may sound.[/quote]<br /><br />I disagree.<br /><br />[quote]Everyone has things to do Chow.[/quote]<br /><br />I understand that.<br /><br />[quote]Most IDL games are after hours anyway. This &quot;real life&quot; excuse isn&#039;t good enough.[/quote]<br /><br />So because its &quot;after hours&quot; it magically voids attending to school/work/etc? Shocking me saying this but don&#039;t be an idiot.<br /><br />[quote]You need to face that you&#039;re actually just not as good as you thought.[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m the first guy to admit I&#039;m not as good as I used to be before my first spoof retirement. You&#039;re not exactly crushing egos. ;)', 'xx', 1);
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	(7317, 712, 22, 1345432937, 15, 7317, 'Re: WEEK 7 - THIRTY417: Buntaluffigus (AUG 13 - AUG 19) - Discussion and Results', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '72.53.140.59', 1, 0, '', 'Ahhh getting nervous for IDL games.&nbsp; Those were the days.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1938, 222, 12, 1276580461, 2, 1938, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'ggs dmr, fun games + fu lb eat brainz<br /><br />[URL=http://img580.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100614214538.png/][IMG]http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/9526/ctf20100614214538.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />[URL=http://img180.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100614215156.png/][IMG]http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/7627/ctf20100614215156.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1832, 216, 5, 1274309535, 130, 1835, 'Re: Team Expansion', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1274312535, 'Ladna', 'This (extra teams) is a terrible idea. Take a big step back and literally fuck your own face.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1883, 219, 1, 1274743526, 75, 1883, 'Re: Welcome to the Wild West', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.159', 1, 0, '', 'eaten a dog already?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2113, 232, 12, 1279154182, 75, 2113, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.159', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=232.msg2111#msg2111 date=1279134701]<br />Yeah I was approached to captain this season and I would of done it, but I wasn&#039;t even sure if I was going to participate in this season to be honest.&nbsp; But when I found out I could&#039;ve, someone was already chosen for the job.<br />[/quote]<br />yeah, that was totally the reason. and not you rooting for canadiens. yeah.<br /><br />imo the loudest reasons for franchising or not don&#039;t really matter that much. the outcome is more or less the same, so perhaps the psychological outcome or the solution that lets more new people in should be considered.<br /><br />the main argument against franchising, aka &#039;packed teams&#039;, could be also explained with this: nostar+chewy. that&#039;s it, that&#039;s your whole problem with franchising. this overpowered team could win mb with whoever for the third. like, fluffles with his 200+ms would get them to mb. the only reason .WAD failed was the genius pick of map24 for homefield with a pinging runner. nostar learned from his silly mistake and avoids pingers on ping-hating maps ever since. and he wins. franchising gets removed? chewy quits. this season would have been pretty much the same if you retained franchising, but banned chewy for being too good.<br /><br />if you feel (not) franchising gives new players more opportunities, just go that way. the other reasons are just crap like &#039;i wanna play with my buttbuddy&#039; or &#039;i don&#039;t want you to play with your buttbuddy&#039;. that&#039;s wholly personal and only shows how small and stale idl is getting.<br /><br />[size=1][sub]fucking fat american noobs unable to decide without the old continent pros...[/sub][/size]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3787, 410, 14, 1300319432, 10, 3787, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@gmail.com', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'You pay $0', 'xx', 1);
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	(4546, 483, 16, 1313128156, 3, 4546, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Alright, got that sorted out with the options and have started work, hope to get this done by then, or at all. Like what I&#039;ve got so far though.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1796, 199, 12, 1273927305, 0, 1796, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'capodecima', '', '88.103.101.55', 1, 0, '', 'name: capodecima<br />country: czech republic<br />contact: capko@seznam.cz, #ZDIRC, #D, #euro<br />info: my english is bad, my skill is good&nbsp; 8)<br /> <br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(7803, 756, 17, 1352672309, 8, 7803, 'Complete List of New Rules', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'This is a temporary spot for the rule changes for the upcoming IDL season. The official rules page will be updated soon.<br /><br />[quote]IDL RULES - PRE-SEASON XIII CHANGES (Oct 26)<br /><br />League Composition<br />Structure<br /><br />The IDL is currently a single group league consisting of eight teams. Teams are composed of one captain and three players. As the head of their teams, captains have the power (and often the responsibility as the rules require) to:<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Dismiss players<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Submit team availability for games<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Trade with other teams<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Name their teams<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Captain Removal<br /><br />Captains can resign at any time, however they&#039;re strongly discouraged from doing so during a season. A captain can be dismissed by the administration&#039;s majority vote for serious objective reasons, such as damaging the quality of the league, at anytime. A possible commissioner&#039;s veto has to be overruled by a 4/5 majority.<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Invitation<br /><br />After captains are assigned, players register during a sign-up period determined by the commisioner. Registration can take form of an open forum post or a message to a member of the IDL administration. After the sign-up period, the administration confirms the IDL roster. Removal of a registered player has to be confirmed by a majority vote. Excluding captains, all players on the IDL roster are then considered free agents.<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Draft<br />...<br />Should two or more teams have identical records, the following procedures will be used to determine draft order:<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Non-playoff teams pick before teams that earned playoff berths;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Playoff teams are chosen in the order in which they lost during the playoffs;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Outcome of the head-to-head matches, the loser teams pick first;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Strength of schedule;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Flags for;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Flags against;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Number of infrictions against match rules;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Coin toss.<br /> <br />--------<br /><br />Playoff Homefield Selection<br /><br />A playoff match&#039;s map is the top-seeded team&#039;s chosen homefield. For example, TBA and MAD are in the semifinal game, TBA is ranked 8th and MAD is ranked 4th. That game will be played using MAD&#039;s homefield map.<br /><br />Each team chooses a playoff homefield map and an optional fallback map from that season&#039;s IDL WAD in the reverse of draft order, and the following restrictions apply:<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Teams cannot choose that season&#039;s MasterBowl map.<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Teams cannot choose a fallback map that was previously selected that season by a different team.<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; <br /><br />The fallback map becomes a team&#039;s homefield if their primary map pick has been chosen by a lower ranked team that has qualified for the playoffs.<br />Homefields must be selected before the conclusion of Week 6 of regular season play. Homefield selection position can be traded.<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Season Gameplay<br /><br />The IDL has four seasons:<br /><br />Preseason<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; The period of time between the end of the draft and the first regular season week. <br />Regular Season<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; A seven week period where games are played weekly. Determines the seeding for the playoff season and the next season&#039;s draft order (in most cases). <br />Playoff Season or Postseason<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; A three week period where games are played weekly (Wildcard Playoffs, Semifinals and the MasterBowl respectively). Determines that season&#039;s champion and, in some cases, draft order. <br />Off Season or Offseason<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; The period of time between the end of playoff season and the draft.<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; <br />--------<br /><br />Playoff Season<br /><br />Playoffs consist of three rounds: Wildcard, Semifinals, and the MasterBowl. Top five teams of the league qualify for playoffs. The top ranked team faces the winner of the Wildcard round.<br /><br />Should ties occur between two or more teams, they will be broken using the following procedures:<br /><br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Head-to-head (a mini-ladder consisting of head-to-head matches of the tied teams);<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Best total won-lost-tied percentage;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Strength of victory;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Flags for;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Flags against;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Number of infrictions against match rules;<br />&nbsp; &nbsp; Coin toss.<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Game Structure<br /><br />Each IDL game is played in a best-of-three fashion. A standard IDL round is 3 vs. 3 at ten minutes each, with a five flag limit. When the time or flag limit is reached, the team with the most flags scored is the winner of the round. If the amount of flags scored is equal, that round is a tie. If no team wins both regular rounds, a third tie-breaker round is played. During the regular season, the result of this round ties up the outcome of the game based on rounds won. During the postseason, such tie-breaking rounds are played until one of the teams wins two rounds total. <br /><br />---------<br /><br />Game Location<br /><br />... In the event of server disputes, or should no discussion take place, [IDL] Chicago will be used. ...<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Waiver Wire<br /><br />... Tie-breaking procedure is used to determine claim precedence, however, once a team acquires a player through a claim they are sent to the end of the order. ...<br /><br />--------<br /><br />Versions of Odamex Client and Server Programs<br /><br />The official IDL servers run version 0.6.X of the Odamex server. The IDL recommends running the latest stable version of the Odamex client. Consequences resulting from the use of other client versions are the responsibility of the player, not the IDL.[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(8837, 876, 1, 1364861445, 19, 8837, 'Re: HOLA!?', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.242.178', 1, 0, '', 'oh its this bitch again', 'xx', 1);
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	(8857, 878, 30, 1365533675, 19, 8857, 'Re: IDL Radio #1 - 4/7/2013', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.53.242.178', 1, 0, '', '[quote=rustking]His ability improved but his personality...didn&#039;t[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/ugoKd.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1602, 178, 11, 1267321866, 19, 1602, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.247.158', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=178.msg1593#msg1593 date=1267299738]<br />Any ideas on how to pick maps?&nbsp; Most people hate the ones we&#039;ve played this season I guess.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />People are always going to hate at least one map selected. Like I can&#039;t stand map16. I feel that variety like that should be selected more often. A group of lesser-played maps every season, switching many maps out for other ones that don&#039;t see playing time en masse would portray a greater sense of skill in a player than memorizing the quickest rjump routes in map08, for example. Everyone knows what to expect from those maps, so toss more unplayed maps into the mix, because it surely would be as exciting for the teams to adapt as it would be for the spectators to watch.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1608, 178, 11, 1267335045, 7, 1608, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.50.230.158', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=178.msg1605#msg1605 date=1267326380]<br />I&#039;d really like to see mixed map matches in the IDL.&nbsp; I hate grinding one map all week in practice with every team especially if it is a map I don&#039;t care for.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[b][size=6]ODA02[/size][/b].<br /><br />Fuckin hate that map now.', 'xx', 1);
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	(7651, 738, 18, 1348690321, 8, 7651, 'Re: MasterBowl Stats', 'HumanBones', 'humanbones@intldoomleague.org', '108.207.0.195', 1, 0, '', 'http://leagueofdoominternationally.net', 'xx', 1);
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	(1603, 178, 11, 1267322547, 147, 1603, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'I agree with Xen that some &quot;hidden gems&quot; are a good idea.&nbsp; It shakes it up quite a bit, and makes practice more important.&nbsp; The problem is finding them, but hopefully with SmartCTF and lbctf (rofl) in development, we can get some new maps out there to shred.<br /><br />Fast, the angle I was taking was the players select the maps that are played each year, and that a map can&#039;t be picked two years in a row.&nbsp; It wouldn&#039;t be different maps for every team during the same week (although that would make practice a lot more fun), but the players would have more input on the &quot;fixed-type&quot; schedule like we use currently.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1604, 178, 11, 1267322781, 19, 1604, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.247.158', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=178.msg1603#msg1603 date=1267322547]<br />I agree with Xen that some &quot;hidden gems&quot; are a good idea.&nbsp; It shakes it up quite a bit, and makes practice more important.&nbsp; The problem is finding them, but hopefully with SmartCTF and lbctf (rofl) in development, we can get some new maps out there to shred.[/quote]<br /><br />We don&#039;t necessarily need new mapsets to utilize this. There are a great deal of not-so-popular maps in zdctf1/2/3, zductf, 32in24 and so on. Of course new mapsets help, but what would kill this idea is the pickers of the schedule overanalyzing maps that get picked. It would be nice to have some maps in there that make people go &#039;what is this?&#039;, and having never played some maps before or not very often, makes competitive play very unpredictable and exciting.<br /><br />[quote author=LordBritish link=topic=178.msg1603#msg1603 date=1267322547]Fast, the angle I was taking was the players select the maps that are played each year, and that a map can&#039;t be picked two years in a row.&nbsp; It wouldn&#039;t be different maps for every team during the same week (although that would make practice a lot more fun), but the players would have more input on the &quot;fixed-type&quot; schedule like we use currently.[/quote]<br /><br />The map not being used two years in a row is really good. I think this should be implemented no matter what happens.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1751, 199, 12, 1272319791, 25, 1751, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Killemall', 'nlonz@yahoo.com', '76.30.107.137', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Killemall<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: nlonz@yahoo.com<br />Instant Message Contact: nlonz@hotmail.com (msn)<br />Regular Availability: (CST) Most days after 3pm, after 8pm most days in August', 'xx', 1);
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	(1797, 209, 12, 1274008458, 7, 1797, 'A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'After playing a rousing session of PCTF, I have decided to create a helpful guide to playing Capture the Flag with the pros.&nbsp; Here goes.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Exceptions[/b][/size]<br /><br />Players tend to think they are exceptions to rules, but they are not.&nbsp; To be clear: [b]you are not an exception[/b].&nbsp; You are not bad at this game.&nbsp; You are definitely not good.&nbsp; This is a way you can avoid people hating your guts while you improve your owning skills.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Proper Offensive Cover[/b][/size]<br /><br />Unless you are Ralphis, and by Ralphis I mean completely full of himself and thoroughly uncoachable, then it is [b]never[/b] appropriate to wait at the enemy flag stand while your runner runs back to your base with the flag.&nbsp; The odds of you scoring are shitty, way worse than the odds of your teammate scoring if his teammate wasn&#039;t a glory-hogging douchebag.&nbsp; Help yr dude out, and kill people for him.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Jumping[/b][/size]<br /><br />Jumping is one of the worst things you can do.&nbsp; &quot;Why,&quot; you ask?&nbsp; I&#039;ll tell you.&nbsp; IDL servers have no air control, so as soon as your little DOOM boots leave the ground, you&#039;re completely prone.&nbsp; You might think you&#039;re being unpredictable.&nbsp; You might think you&#039;re hopping bullets.&nbsp; You might think this saves you, even once in 100 shots.&nbsp; You are completely wrong.&nbsp; It actually just sends your sprite, as it chokes, screams, and dies, flying through the air.&nbsp; This only increases your opponent&#039;s bloodlust, and you can be assured he is laughing at you, because this is hilarious.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Rocketing[/b][/size]<br /><br />Unless you are Nostar, and by Nostar I mean completely full of himself and thoroughly uncoachable, then it is [b]never[/b] appropriate to use rockets in the base.&nbsp; Don&#039;t shoot them while you&#039;re standing in the base.&nbsp; Don&#039;t shoot them into your base from anywhere else.&nbsp; In fact, keep your hands off that fucking thing altogether until you know what you are doing.&nbsp; If you should be so unlucky as to inadvertently (because I know you would never do it on purpose) run over the RL, think to yourself, &quot;is cockblocking the balls off my runner really worth a couple of spam kills&quot;, and &quot;what are the odds of LordBritish selling enough &#039;LeBron + Cleveland 2011&#039; t-shirts to purchase a bus ticket to my parents&#039; house so he can beat the hell out of me in person for hitting him with 18 consecutive rockets, causing him to be shot several times in the ass&quot;?&nbsp; These things do happen in real life, even when pros are doing their best to avoid them (there are some great demos of HumanBones rocking mikehail in S2009, or you can watch my demo from Week 3 in W2010), so there&#039;s really no need to add to those unfortunate, yet hilarious occurrences with shitty RL usage.&nbsp; Just say no.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Shooting[/b][/size]<br /><br />You are going to whiff shots (whiffing a shot is shooting directly at someone, but nothing happens), and you&#039;re gonna be pissed.&nbsp; You will feel like this always happens when you really need to shoot someone.&nbsp; This is not true.&nbsp; ZDaemon is, overall, a pile of junk written by crackheads and broke assholes, you should not trust crackheads and broke assholes to treasure your packets, or to give you accurate information about where your opponents are.&nbsp; Try and put yourself in positions and situations where you don&#039;t have to hit every shot to be successful.&nbsp; Give yourself the reaction advantage (hide), and plenty of opportunities to shoot your opponents (don&#039;t hide right next to your flag).<br /><br />[size=4][b]Whoring[/b][/size]<br /><br />Let your poor runner get the fuckin powerups.&nbsp; This means all armor and supercharges/megaspheres.&nbsp; That guy is gonna die 1000 times and get maybe 2 flags a round (the highest flags/round stat from last season was mikehail with 2.083).&nbsp; Increase his odds, and don&#039;t fucking wait at the goddamn flag stand while he&#039;s running his ass off, wondering where his cover is.<br /><br />[b]But[/b], health in the base belongs to the defense (supercharges/megaspheres are NOT health, they&#039;re powerups!).&nbsp; I know scoring multiple times in one life is really cool, but just concentrate on not sucking for now.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Locker Room Etiquette[/b][/size]<br /><br />This really only applies to IDL, definitely not to PCTF.&nbsp; It is [b]never[/b] okay to be a faggot to your team, not in private (team channel, PM, etc.), not in public (#idl, practice) and certainly not while you&#039;re playing a fucking game.&nbsp; The best way to make your team lose is say a bunch of mean, angry, negative shit to them.&nbsp; Many captains have been known to perma-bench, and curb to free-agency players with shitty attitudes, and I can personally say that we take every opportunity to talk shit about you if you should transgress in this manner.&nbsp; You can get a long way in the IDL with a good attitude, and really, yelling &quot;WHERE IS THE FUCKING MID YOU NIGGERZZZZ KILL YRSELFZZZZZZ&quot; all the time is unhealthy.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Where is the Defense?!?!?111?![/b][/size]<br /><br />If you are asking this question, it is you.&nbsp; You are the defense.<br /><br />Let me clear this up, because you probably don&#039;t think you&#039;re the defense if you&#039;re asking this.&nbsp; There&#039;s really one of three things happening here:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]You are really the defense, and you are fucking up[/li]<br />[li]You are playing mid and you aren&#039;t fragging well enough[/li]<br />[li]You are running, and you&#039;re not clearing the base when you spawn and fragging as you go[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />So you can see that there is always something that each position can add to defense.&nbsp; I often see runners zombie-running, sometimes just barely ahead of the other team&#039;s flag runner.&nbsp; Of course, that idiot gets shot in the asshole and flagged on.&nbsp; Turn around, goddamn.&nbsp; Be aware of what is going on around you.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Where is the Mid?!?!?111?![/b][/size]<br /><br />If you&#039;re a runner and you&#039;re asking this question, you are not running correctly.&nbsp; If you grab the flag and run out as fast as possible, guns blazing, you will die.&nbsp; You&#039;ll die in the same goddamn spot every time, because that&#039;s called a pattern.&nbsp; Even worse, you&#039;ve given your team no time to push up and help.&nbsp; You can&#039;t expect help to magically appear if you didn&#039;t wait for them before you grabbed the flag, or if you didn&#039;t wait for them after you grabbed the flag.&nbsp; Mid has other shit to do, fuckin give them a break.<br /><br />If you&#039;re defending and you&#039;re asking this question, you are not defending properly.&nbsp; Stop camping one tiny spot where you can&#039;t see shit, and move the hell up.&nbsp; Anticipation is like, 200% of defense.&nbsp; Shot is the rest.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Where are the Flags?!?!?111?![/b][/size]<br /><br />Scoring in the IDL is much harder than PCTF or (ugh) Public CTF.&nbsp; The best runners DOOM has ever seen hover around 2 flags around, and they&#039;re considered dominant.&nbsp; Just think about that for a minute, that means that if your team scores 2 flags, then the odds are that you are going to win.&nbsp; So first, relax.<br /><br />If you&#039;re defense, then it is [b]never[/b] acceptable for you to run.&nbsp; You might think, &quot;hey, we&#039;re 4 flags up, I&#039;ll take a taste&quot;.&nbsp; No, you will not taste anything but the sick bile of defeat.&nbsp; We used to call this &quot;supermanning&quot;, because a player would have to think they&#039;re superman in order to pull this kind of thing off.&nbsp; Now we just call it &quot;Tai&quot;.&nbsp; Don&#039;t be Tai.&nbsp; Tai&#039;s a lot better than you are, and not even he can avoid our ridicule.<br /><br />If you&#039;re the mid, you should consider the fact that every time you frag someone, they respawn right next to your runner... and shoot him in the face.&nbsp; Getting shot in the face blows, don&#039;t do this to your teammate.&nbsp; Be careful about who you frag and when.&nbsp; There are a lot of players that just run to the middle and shoot everything that moves, but unless your runner is a dominant runner, he&#039;ll never score if you do that.&nbsp; You might think, &quot;but if I kill enough people, my runner will have a clear path&quot;.&nbsp; You will never pull that off.&nbsp; The highest frag ratio last season was Shakal with 165% - which means every time he died he&#039;d killed 1.65 people.&nbsp; Shakal was playing defense, so he was [b]waiting for people who&#039;d already been shot, and knew where they would be coming from[/b].&nbsp; You will have none of those advantages.&nbsp; Multi-kills and killing sprees are rare in the IDL.&nbsp; Don&#039;t count on them to make up for your shitty play.<br /><br />[size=4][b]Attitude[/b][/size]<br /><br />Probably the most important quality for an IDL player to have is a sense of humor.&nbsp; Laugh, make other people laugh, and remember that this is the internet.&nbsp; Above all, be competitive but don&#039;t get raged.&nbsp; I can honestly say that I want to win every game that I play, even when I know it&#039;s impossible.&nbsp; But afterwards, don&#039;t go into #idl and say something like:<br /><br />&lt;rookie&gt; ladna ur a chump faggot cheater<br /><br />or<br /><br />&lt;rookie&gt; ROFL was that a game?&nbsp; i thought you had to be good to be in IDL bahahahahaha *burp*<br /><br />Not only will Ladna ridicule the shit out of you, others will too.&nbsp; You&#039;ll feel like IDL is not a place for you, and that you should leave.&nbsp; Don&#039;t feel that way.&nbsp; Just don&#039;t be a bitch, and we&#039;ll all get along just fine.&nbsp; In case you were wondering, the proper thing to do after all IDL games (win or lose) is GG.&nbsp; Be gracious when you win:<br /><br />&lt;rookie&gt; ladna i can&#039;t believe i scored on you, that was tough d<br /><br />and constructive when you lose<br /><br />&lt;rookie&gt; i think we did well that game, but with a little more practice we could&#039;ve been awesome and won<br /><br />I know, I know, sometimes people are real assholes to you.&nbsp; The average response is to either erect an e-penis, or try to be funny.&nbsp; If you honestly think you can accomplish any of those things (I assure you that you cannot), give it a try (once or twice).&nbsp; After you fail, just laugh it off from then on.&nbsp; Let your game do the talking.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1833, 217, 5, 1274309956, 7, 1833, 'Draft Order', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '99.75.51.223', 1, 0, '', 'OK we&#039;ve been talking about draft order for a while, and the last big idea we had was:<br /><br />3 lotteries (1 for each round), 2nd round in reverse order.<br /><br />Ralphis and Goatface disliked the idea that any outcome was possible (like EBL getting 8th and SUC getting 1st), so I suggest setting up tiers.&nbsp; The simplest is a 2-tier system, where the top 4 teams and the bottom 4 teams have separate lotteries (but all weighted the same as though all 8 teams were part of 1 lottery).&nbsp; I&#039;d recommend a 3-tier system, 4-2-2: top 4 teams, middle 2 and lower 2.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1884, 219, 1, 1274749278, 35, 1884, 'Re: Welcome to the Wild West', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'needs more tits', 'xx', 1);
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	(1892, 221, 12, 1274852724, 2, 1892, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Recorded in Ogg format', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'hero', 'xx', 1);
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	(1982, 228, 12, 1277720038, 10, 1982, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1277739807, 'mikefails', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]RALPHIS&#039; GAME OF THE WEEK[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />	Week 3 saw a turning point in the WDC East as the Spread Eagles took the divisional lead while the Berserker Packers fell half a game back with a loss to BBC. A win here by SPE will put them up 1.5 games over their divisional opponent and in a great position heading into the second half of the season. A win by BSK will put them back on top in the division by only half a game. These teams will meet again in only two weeks, the shortest amount of time between any divisional opponents this season.<br /><br />	The Spread Eagles are hot coming off their second straight win. However, this will be their first game of their four week conference gauntlet. This is when the winning will start to matter. This map if foreign territory for both teams. The Spread Eagles look to have an advantage in the frag department but lack the speed that divisional rival Berserker Packers have. Look for Shadow Ghost and Blair to attempt to lock down the middle while Mantis pushes for flags.<br /><br />	The Berserker Packers entered week 3 ranked considerably high but have fallen to last in their conference as all other conference opponents had week 3 wins. Now with ground to make up, this game is perhaps one of the most critical on their schedule. Don&#039;t be surprised if both teams are still playing for this division in week 8. The Packers&#039; speed and capture skills should set them apart this week.<br /><br />[center][i]The Packers continue to rock the WDC East see-saw as they narrowly retake the division lead.[/i]<br />[b]SPE 0-2 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	The Doom Raiders have been on a downward spiral since week 1 but will look to rebound this week with Goatface&#039;s return. Fortunately for the Raiders, it looks as though the toughest end of their schedule is over with and that winning could begin as early as this week. The Killing Browns are on a skid of their own, losing the last two. Both teams look to make headway this week. A win by KGB could put them two games ahead of EBL and help secure their chances for a playoff berth in a weak conference. DMR is looking for any type of win and one within the conference would be a great place to start. They&#039;ve all but lost the division but a playoff berth is easily attainable still.<br /><br />	Both teams are fraggy and we should expect to see some potentially sloppy running. Who will be able to hold the middle better, Tai&#039;s squad or Hatred?<br /><br />[center][i]Upset special. DMR gets their first win in a three rounder with double ties.[/i]<br />[b]DMR 1-0 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://sites.google.com/site/xenaero/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	Polar opposites collide as 3-0 meets 0-3 in week 4. BBC doesn&#039;t need this win but EBL does. Regardless, BBC is going to play for another undefeated season so don&#039;t expect them to let up anytime soon. Whiteboy guarantees a win this week, but can he make good on that promise?<br /><br />	The Cowboys have been quite a force but do not seem unstoppable. The Electric Bills have potential but haven&#039;t shown it. If Xenaero and Whiteboy can, most importantly, come to terms with eachother and then, lock down the middle, they&#039;ll have a chance. Otherwise, blowout.<br /><br />[i]BBC likely continues their streak, but everybody wants to see an EBL win.[/i]<br />[center][b]EBL 0-2 BBC[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center]LordBritish has been talking trash about this game for about two months now. Time to put up or shut up.[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2011, 228, 12, 1278523767, 75, 2011, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.159', 1, 0, '', 'http://neokotchka/dew/doom/idl2010s.week4.ebl-bbc.dew_idl2010h.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(2057, 232, 12, 1278824716, 16, 2057, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.37.17.170', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br /><br />No but it might have let him construct a team that wasn&#039;t so dependent on him to do well. It&#039;s really funny how narrowly you read my comments. Let&#039;s take a look at more ignorant things you said.[/quote]<br /><br />The only way I can see franchising helping Ghost pick a better 4th player than he did is if someone picked someone real crappy for a franchise, opening up the opportunity for said good 4th players to still be on the board when he needs that good insurance player on his side. I have to agree with Hatred that part of the problem was that most of the good players from last season didn&#039;t sign up for this season. I mean, out of the players he mentioned, all of them except 3 (Chewy, Jkist, Chaindude) were in IDL LAST season. That&#039;s 7 very good players who played last season that need to be replaced this season. In a 8 team league, you rob, in theory, 7 of those teams that have a chance to have a &quot;decent&quot; 4th player. So, the whole league practically downgraded. <br /><br />Did I miss something?<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br /><br />From what I hear you decided to play without him on a number of occasions and went with an Oath/Dev combo. I&#039;m not too clear on the details but really last season you have a stellar chance to win and you botched it big time. Can&#039;t pin it on mike when it&#039;s chronic failure!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />It&#039;s one thing to say that if our team did better (in general and strategically) in the regular season, we could&#039;ve picked a map of our own instead of Map12. However, I do believe mike is considered one of the best runners (if not the best??) on it. As he explained to you, he wasn&#039;t around when the match took place. Oh well. <br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br />Yes and we would have drafted Xray and won anyway. That is because Fast quitting our team wouldn&#039;t have tanked us Tai. Because Ralph had a player he choose and could rely on. Franchising stabilizing teams that way is a point I tried to make. You are very dense.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You call me dense, yet you fail to see the only reason I mentioned that is because you talked about looking at Fast bailing on the Euros and joining you and Ralphis as proof you play better with the people you&#039;re comfortable with. I forgot to also mention that Ralphis wanted to trade Fast to me; actually, you did ask me about this and I said I considered it but decided against it. My point is you&#039;re trying to use Fast as a shining example that franchising worked when in reality it seems like he nearly caused more problems than he solved for your team, even though you ended up winning.<br /><br /><br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br /><br />This whole thing is mostly nonsense. JKist was traded to SUC after SPE got a losing record and was floundering. Also he was traded for Mortal (undefeated at the time). Mortal is a great player and it is my opinion that a team of Fast, Nero, Dewww and Mortal would have not only made playoffs but might have gone as far as conference. Fast bailed because he was unhappy with his captain and lame in general. Not even franchising will fix that.[/quote]<br /><br />Well, we agree on something at least, especially as far as the last sentence.<br /><br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br /><br />No I meant 3 wins. Don&#039;t correct me you cockeyed faggot. One win against DMR and one against a Denny-less SPE. Until this week they were a flop. 3-1-1 isn&#039;t terrible, but it&#039;s not what they are capable of. I do think they&#039;ll do okay but they certainly weren&#039;t a tough team when I played them.[/quote]<br /><br />I guess we can agree to disagree. But it means they have the third best record in IDL. Maybe I can&#039;t call them overrated cause they were never as loaded on paper to me as BBC and SUC in the first place, and lo and behold, they&#039;re the only two teams with records better than BSK. Go figure....<br /><br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br />You misunderstand. I&#039;m not blaming any of these people for all of IDL&#039;s troubles. I&#039;m saying that franchising, while difficult to discern for some uneducated inmates, fixed a lot of problems on an interpersonal level. It also added a lot of talent that you guys are so adamantly pointing to as a cause for this seasons...underwhelming-ness.[/quote]<br /><br />Outside of Ladna (and I do wonder if Fast is on to something but I won&#039;t make assumptions), if anyone did infact leave simply because franchising was done away with, I would like to know. <br /><br />...I do find it interesting that only 5 people were franchised, though. Winter of 2009 all 8 teams franchised, and then in Summer of 2009 only 7 teams franchised...well, whatever.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=232.msg2040#msg2040 date=1278748341]<br />Cool, you guys all like this system. It&#039;s okay I guess. Statistically it has very little difference from franchising, if just a little more of a disparity in team records. Let&#039;s assume it&#039;s all just coincidence that more trades have happened this season than probably ever before in IDL and our player base is dwindling. It will continue to dwindle if the prospect of being on Tai&#039;s team looms in the distance I assure you.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />So wait, were you trying to make a point, or did you just want to bash me cause I dare had the audacity to argue your points?', 'xx', 1);
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	(2114, 232, 12, 1279157173, 15, 2114, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.91.17', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m pretty sure chewy quit before the franchising era was put to rest.&nbsp; And having stacked teams is not the only reason why it was.&nbsp; It also promotes people like myself, or jenova, or anyone new who is new to this community, to go up for captaincy.&nbsp; There is a shortage on captains, and trying to get me to captain is a clear cut sign.&nbsp; ', 'xx', 1);
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	(3366, 380, 1, 1297036187, 145, 3366, 'Re: Odamex - try it, you''ll like it!', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '188.28.86.33', 1, 0, '', 'Every time I play odamex I enjoy it more. It&#039;s like any port really you gotta get use to it, learn what bugs there are getting better at either using them to your advantage or letting them not bother you. I occasionally like to play 1-on-1 on it as it&#039;s pretty interesting mostly only when others want to play it but yeah odamex is getting alot more interesting to play now', 'xx', 1);
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	(4192, 439, 16, 1308605184, 2, 4192, 'Re: DEMO INFRACTION LISTING', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.37.22.79', 1, 1308605779, 'nostar', 'If your name is not on this list and you participated in a game in week 1 or week 2, YOU HAVE ONE OR MORE OUTSTANDING DEMOS!!&nbsp; The site is fully updated and all games played can be uploaded at this time and must be by Tuesday of week 3 or penalties may be issued.<br /><br />[list type=decimal]<br />[li][b]WEEK 1 DEMOS[/b]<br />Week 1&nbsp; 	SUC vs. TKV&nbsp; 	SUC&nbsp; 	Ralphis&nbsp; 	<br />Week 1 	SUC vs. TKV 	SUC 	RustInPeace 	<br />Week 1 	SUC vs. TKV 	SUC 	Xenaero 	<br />Week 1 	SUC vs. TKV 	TKV 	RussianDumbass 	<br />Week 1 	SUC vs. TKV 	TKV 	TurSKA 	<br />Week 1 	SUC vs. TKV 	TKV 	X-Ray 	<br />Week 1 	DMC vs. KGB 	KGB 	Junior 	<br />Week 1 	DMC vs. KGB 	DMC 	Sabertooth 	<br />Week 1 	DMR vs. EBL 	EBL 	Hatred 	<br />Week 1 	DMR vs. EBL 	EBL 	Mantis-X 	<br />Week 1 	DMR vs. EBL 	DMR 	Nostar 	<br />Week 1 	BSK vs. BBC 	BSK 	Climhazzard 	<br />Week 1 	BSK vs. BBC 	BSK 	Gilgamesh 	<br />Week 1 	BSK vs. BBC 	BBC 	ItalianStallion 	<br />Week 1 	BSK vs. BBC 	BBC 	MadV 	<br />Week 1 	BSK vs. BBC 	BBC 	ThatsJustPrime 	<br />Week 1 	SXP vs. KNF 	KNF 	Gyrossman 	<br />Week 1 	SXP vs. KNF 	KNF 	Soulsucka 	<br />Week 1 	SPE vs. FLS 	SPE 	MassVC 	<br />Week 1 	SPE vs. FLS 	SPE 	mikehail 	<br />Week 1 	SPE vs. FLS 	FLS 	Legion 	<br />Week 1 	SPE vs. FLS 	FLS 	Mandolore 	[/li]<br /><br />[li][b]WEEK 2 DEMOS[/b]<br />Week 2&nbsp; 	SUC vs. DMR&nbsp; 	DMR&nbsp; 	Nostar&nbsp; 	<br />Week 2 	SUC vs. DMR 	SUC 	RustInPeace 	<br />Week 2 	TKV vs. EBL 	EBL 	Hatred 	<br />Week 2 	TKV vs. EBL 	EBL 	Mantis-X 	<br />Week 2 	TKV vs. EBL 	EBL 	Mobius 	<br />Week 2 	TKV vs. EBL 	TKV 	RussianDumbass 	<br />Week 2 	TKV vs. EBL 	TKV 	TurSKA 	<br />Week 2 	TKV vs. EBL 	TKV 	X-Ray 	<br />Week 2 	BSK vs. SPE 	SPE 	MassVC 	<br />Week 2 	BSK vs. SPE 	SPE 	mikehail 	<br />Week 2 	KGB vs. SXP 	KGB 	Junior 	<br />Week 2 	KGB vs. SXP 	KGB 	Tai 	<br />Week 2 	KGB vs. SXP 	SXP 	Killingblair 	<br />[/li]<br />[/list]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2158, 242, 1, 1281041114, 19, 2158, 'Re: Remembering ex-IDL players', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.3.36', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=242.msg2156#msg2156 date=1280973419]<br />less rage prone guy<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Son you&#039;re in backwards town<br /><br />[color=#dddddd][size=1]explains why ya think ya know what u r talkin about[/size][/color]', 'xx', 1);
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	(7070, 684, 22, 1340229570, 16, 7070, 'Re: Draft Results Speculation Thread', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '98.216.91.67', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=684.msg7058#msg7058 date=1340170106]<br />[b]Killing Browns (KGB)<br />Tai, Caboose, DemonSphere, Shogun[/b]<br /><br />This team doesn&#039;t seem too bad. The sad part is, in terms of on-paper, this is probably the worst team in the IDC compared to the other 3 teams. Caboose is a solid player, capable of playing just about every position. Tai falls in a similar place. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t know much about DemonSphere or Shogun. I doubt they&#039;re too great, else-wise I&#039;d have heard about it. Sadly, I don&#039;t think this team is going to do so hot given the competition it has to face.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I coulda sworn I picked up Capo trolololololol&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(5025, 520, 17, 1318608523, 147, 5025, 'Re: Priv timelimit', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', '10 is better. less time to get bored, and more games.&nbsp; more games is better.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1609, 179, 11, 1267361751, 38, 1609, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Sabertooth', 'ssj4chazou@hotmail.com', '66.211.41.82', 1, 0, '', '[quote] Stuff was said about EBL.[/quote]<br />I was the best thing that ever happened to EBL. [b]I&#039;m the best no doubt about it.[/b]<br /><br />[quote]Shit was said about maps.[/quote]<br />New shitty maps piss me off. Same maps over and over piss me off more. Playing more than one map a week ex. EBL&#039;s Homefield/Choice FLS&#039;s Homefield/Choice Then MAP OF THE WEEK! This would make me play all season no doubt. Ya some team would pick map01 over and over but fuck&#039;em they wanna lose there 8 weeks a season good deal. [b]I&#039;m the best no doubt about it[/b]<br /><br />[quote] Some shit was said about a franchise-less season.[/quote]<br />Good deal my favorite seasons captaining were the first 2 even the one I was fucked at the being on. [b]I&#039;m the best no doubt about it.[/b]<br /><br />[quote]Stuff was flamed about the board[/quote]<br />Why not have the community vote on a whole new board or something and no west coast fags that live in huts plz. [b]I&#039;m the best no doubt about it.[/b]<br /><br />[quote]A thread was made about IDL Politics[/quote]<br />Suck it. Adapt and overcome. [b]I&#039;m the best no doubt about it.[/b]<br /><br />[quote] 3v3 v 4v4[/quote]<br />Bones has got it, scare things up. Mix it the fuck up. Same could be said about the IDL in general. Apparently people are getting bored so mixing some new sauces in the pot may make people be like. [quote] Whoa you better gimme some of that shit.[/quote] [b]I&#039;m the best no doubt about it.[/b]<br /><br />[quote] 2v2 and 2v3 games shouldn&#039;t happen. [/quote] <br />Fix it. Now. Don&#039;t wait till next season. It is clearly pissing people off. Putting a limit on the # of them won&#039;t help. Tracking people down to see if they were really absent is HAHAHAHAH.....dumb. House: Everybody lies. Guessing:STFU YOU FAGGOT YOU DON&#039;T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED. also doesn&#039;t help. [b]I&#039;m the best no doubt about it.[/b]<br /><br />Now if you don&#039;t mind I&#039;m going to drink some more Nyquil and go back to bed. [b] I&#039;m the best no doubt about it[/b]<br /><br />P.S. IDL will never hate me. I could probably kill 100 kittens in front of them and still get a hug.<br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1939, 224, 12, 1276722267, 10, 1939, 'Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 2 of IDL Winter 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP22 - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP22 - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP22 - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 2 - MAP22 - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Brokeback Cowboys vs. Flag Steelers (DIV)<br /><br />Electric Bills vs. Super Chargers<br /><br />Spread Eagles vs. Killing Browns<br /><br />Doom Raiders vs. Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1625, 169, 11, 1267748561, 147, 1625, 'Re: The Great Blizzard of ''10', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'Yo DG it&#039;s really good to hear from you again, glad you&#039;re a live and all.&nbsp; And sorry I ruined DMR, but we&#039;re gonna win one this weekend for you and make the playoffs!!!!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1798, 208, 1, 1274009131, 7, 1798, 'Re: The Venerables', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'This is awesome.&nbsp; Also:<br /><br />[center][color=red][size=7][b]BRING BACK FRANCHISING W2011[/b][/size][/color][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1834, 216, 5, 1274310175, 2, 1834, 'Re: Team Expansion', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'nostar is an ugly eaglenosed whore but i find his argument persuasive and cunning', 'xx', 1);
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	(1885, 218, 12, 1274758063, 15, 1885, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.94.206', 1, 0, '', 'Looks like I&#039;ve started quite the trend!&nbsp; Keep em coming!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1983, 228, 12, 1277740689, 2, 1983, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	The Spread Eagles have taken control over their conference, with their win over the Bills last night, they will be looking to extend that lead and win their conference early, possibly hoping to snag Homefield advantage and a bye week into the playoffs.&nbsp; With a loss this week however, there is simply no chance of that happening.<br /><br />	The Spread Eagles definitely have a frag advantage over the Berserker Packers coming into map05, in fact, some question whether the Packers are anything more than hype, since their only win is against the Doom Raiders, one of two winless teams in the IDL.&nbsp; They need to win this week to keep the divisional race alive and to show why they were ranked #1 coming into week 3.&nbsp; The Packers really need to gel as a team and lay out a good plan if they are going to take this one home.<br /><br />	Map05 is probably the best map to turn the Packer season around on, dark and confined, easy to defend but difficult to clear, and most importantly, lots of ways to leave the base.&nbsp; The Spread Eagles love to push a unified front into enemy territory and I am not so certain they will be able to this week, when it would benefit them most.&nbsp; Jenova or Sabertooth will likely attack the side tunnel, forcing the Eagles to defend their base.&nbsp; Hopefully when this happens, Stallion will push up to their base entrance while Jenova grabs and two eagles chase Sabertooth in the back room.<br /><br />[center][i]A close set, ultimately the Packers excel in a more individual setting while the Eagles flounder and fall from the sky.[/i]<br />[b]SPE 1-2 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]GAME OF THE WEEK[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />	This is again, a map almost tailor made for the Doom Raiders, dark, cramped, confusing, all things which spell success against the blissfully unaware team that is the Killing Browns.&nbsp; That is certainly not to say this week will be easy, even if KGB can&#039;t manage to focus on what is happening, Joshsmith and Strangle/X-Ray running will Tai holds down the fort will not be an easy nut to crack.&nbsp; Goatface will have to excel on running, playing slow and inconsistently to throw off Tai&#039;s defense to get free flags.&nbsp; If there was ever a week to show that Quiksilver deserved to be drafted, this is it.&nbsp; If Hatred and Quiksilver can team up to turn the middle and their base into a KGB cemetary, Goatface will surely be able to beat Tai enough times to bring their first win home.<br /><br />	However, the Browns are no slouches and relying on your opponent to make a mistake is usually much less effective than forcing them to make a mistake.&nbsp; If Joshsmith shows up this week and Strangle plays a good support/distraction role, they will probably break a less experienced Hatred/Quiksilver before Goatface can get Tai in a good rhythm and start scoring.<br /><br />[center][i]The Doom Raiders come ever closer in their search for gold, but sadly this week is not it.[/i]<br />[b]DMR 1-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://sites.google.com/site/xenaero/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center][b]:)[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	This will be an interesting test for the Flag Steelers.&nbsp; Was last week a fluke or are they capable of pulling together as a team to overcome adversity?&nbsp; Week 1 says no, and they will be tested to the limit as arguable FLS MVP Ladna leaves them this week to get drunk and play with fireworks (possibly lighting his chair and himself on fire in the process leading to season injury, corrective surgery and downward FLS spiral)&nbsp; This will certainly not be an easy map either, poor visibility favors inconsistent, surging runners like Gyrossman and Ralphis.&nbsp; I am not certain either team will be able to put up an effective defense if Ralphis and LordBritish both run.&nbsp; Ralphis at the mouth of the Supercharger entrance will certainly put a damper on LordBritish&#039;s enthusiasm and might stop him dead in his tracks for the majority of the match.&nbsp; Perhaps we will see a return of OurHero, after a pretty good showing last week against the Doom Raiders, he deserves it for nothing else other than bailing SUC out!<br /><br />	The hero of this match will assuredly have to be RUS.&nbsp; He will have to show up, kick SUC&#039;s ass, then kick it again three more times so LB can get out of the base and score.&nbsp; If anybody is capable of doing this, its Rambo, the man with Bear DNA, flying around like a piece of shrapnel inside the Supercharger&#039;s warm corpse.&nbsp; WraithVerge isn&#039;t a pushover either, but his inexperience is telling, and counting on him to make clutch plays will certainly backfire on the Steelers this week.&nbsp; He should probably be kept home knitting, maybe playing sniper from the battlements and chasing any attackers who reach the base.<br /><br />[center][i]The Steelers will put up a valiant fight, but without Ladna they are simply dead in the water as there is only so much Bear DNA to go around[/i]<br />[b]FLS 0-2 SUC[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2012, 225, 12, 1278523798, 75, 2012, 'Re: Week 3 (Jun 21 - Jun 27) : ZDCTF18 (MAP18) - Discussion and Results', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '213.168.179.159', 1, 0, '', 'http://neokotchka.net/dew/doom/idl2010s.week3.ebl-spe.dew_idl2010h.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(2037, 232, 12, 1278743434, 163, 2037, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'I am looking for references from previous seasons to see exactly how franchising worked (since I wasn&#039;t around for IDL when it was like that). From what I see, and mind you this is what I read on the rules portion on the IDL site for franchise players, I don&#039;t see how it would do much good with this season. <br /><br />I think the problem you&#039;re seeing with this season is that the talent pool isn&#039;t as large as it has been in the last few seasons (again, going off of what I&#039;ve looked at on the site because I wasn&#039;t around). Think of the people who currently aren&#039;t in the IDL who have been in previous seasons along with the current IDL players, minus a few newcomers of course. Humanbones, oaf, metalblack, chewy, dev, jkist3, shakal, chaindude, cha0tix, Fast, etc. <br /><br />I guess my point isn&#039;t necessarily bashing the idea of franchising, it&#039;s more or less just saying that in a case where the level of talent just isn&#039;t as high, I doubt it&#039;d make any difference at all. <br /><br />That being said, I&#039;m not really opposed to it either. I think one thing it seemed to do is do away with previous inconsistencies the IDL had back in 2007 when I was still around. One of which was people simply not showing up for matches because teams changed around so frequently. At least by franchising a player, you can be on the page with 2/3 of a starting lineup. <br /><br />And yeah, I&#039;ll break it down like this since a few people want to comment on Goat: First off, back off and fuck off. The guy might not be the most talented but out of all of these captains, he is surely the most loyal to his player&#039;s. I requested a trade after we lost to KGB because this is probably my last go-around in competitive doom venues of any sort due to [b]real life.[/b] It happened in 2008 and it is happening again. <br /><br />Would I have preferred to stay on DMR and help take goat to the promised-land, sure in a perfect world but that simply isn&#039;t the case. The reality is, I was the only trading piece Goat had that was worthy of shopping around - who in the hell would trade for Quik or Souler? There was no way Goat and I could be on the same team and acquire somebody with mid-level to high-level talent. This further proves my point about the lack of talent being about. If the guys named above were around, do you think I&#039;d even be on DMR? Aha I&#039;m pretty sure I wouldn&#039;t have been - at least, not with the second overall pick. <br /><br />Goat wants to work with Souler and Quik to help prepare them for future IDL seasons and I commend him for that. He was willing to trade me to a team with a better overall level of talent and sadly, at 0-4, a tie in the wildcard race. This still gave me the ability to win it all in my last season, or at least be put in a situation where the chances of it were much higher. And he also knew the good teams weren&#039;t going to give up much for me because hey, if it&#039;s not broken, why would you fix it? Even though I&#039;m better than 100% of the players here, it&#039;s not worth trading for me and giving away half your team in doing it. So he took Nero (who subsequently raged himself to sleep and still has yet to wake up) for me in a trade to give me that opportunity. Call it what you will, but I think that tells you what kind of person he is and how loyal he is to his guys even if it means good-bye. So yeah, back off Goat and let it go. It&#039;s done, it&#039;s over and we are where we are now. Thanks!<br /><br />So yeah, for anyone who didn&#039;t know the facts behind it, there it is. Franchising may have prevented this one-sided trade (or at least I think it would have) but you have to ask yourself, with the lack of talent around, would teams like DMR even be around? A team that not only will most likely not win a series, but a team that probably won&#039;t win a single game. It&#039;s a lack of talent, folks, that&#039;s all. Don&#039;t use the struggling teams as a source of proving your point that franchising would do away with this - it wouldn&#039;t, a perfect system can&#039;t fix an imperfect foundation, which in this case, is the level of talent. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(2058, 233, 12, 1278826173, 2, 2058, 'Re: Week 5 (Jul 5 - Jul 12) : ZDECTF2-01 (MAP20) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', 'Gat dang, if the games keep getting more intense with each week i will surely die of heart failure!&nbsp; Incredible games SPE, great sportsmanship too, waiting for us for so long was incredibly kind. GGs<br /><br />[URL=http://img69.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100710215824.png/][IMG]http://img69.imageshack.us/img69/6227/ctf20100710215824.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img22.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100710220848.png/][IMG]http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/5924/ctf20100710220848.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img20.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100710221906.png/][IMG]http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1873/ctf20100710221906.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3367, 382, 1, 1297059187, 214, 3367, 'Re: Top 5 EGOS', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '65.71.124.135', 1, 1297059342, 'RustInPeace', '5. Tai/Hatred - Well both of these guys are rather similar in the sense that it&#039;s never their fault for losing. When Tai is D, it&#039;s mid&#039;s fault. When he&#039;s mid, it&#039;s D&#039;s fault. When he is O, it&#039;s his laggggg. Regardless of who is to blame, it&#039;s always the same story in priv. It&#039;s 15 minutes of why he did great and everyone else blew it and if you counter with valid arguments, you&#039;re trolling.<br /><br />Hatred is another total fag who, like tai, claims it&#039;s his dumb teammates faults for losing and that he never does anything wrong. Hatred claims he is one of the greatest mids in the league and has dubbed the position as &#039;the multi-purpose guy&#039;, implying that he can do it all. But quite honestly in his case, mid is &#039;the multi-purpose fail&#039;. The only thing he&#039;s great at is writing essays in priv on why you should have let him decide positions despite him not being cap and why it would have worked.<br /><br />4. LordBritish - Yeah this guy has been masturbating his own ego since [SIN] and it&#039;s about the size of Peru currently.&nbsp; By his own word he claims he is the best runner to ever grace Doom and he holds back much of his power so the server won&#039;t get destroyed. However the guy took movement lessons from DUI. He hits walls like a blind cripple and blames lag, TT, and nostar for his failure. He is also known to miss the flag and run back to base not realizing he doesn&#039;t have the flag until it&#039;s too late.<br /><br />3. mikehail - This guy sits around irc all day claiming how he&#039;s the best runner in the idl and how he carries all the teams he&#039;s on. Apparently his offense is so great that everyone should heed his tips as if they were the cold hard truth. However, the cold hard truth is that despite his big mouth, his flag ratio and flag captures are not even in the top 5 currently. Of course if you bring this fact up, he&#039;ll blame strangle and Mexico for his lousy stats as well as tdeath attacking his connection. He&#039;s quick to tell everyone how and why they suck but he himself isn&#039;t even that great. He&#039;ll also make 100 excuses for his failure when needed.<br /><br />2. Ralphis - It&#039;s the Ralph. Not much to say. He says he&#039;ll crush everyone: like a gnat between his hands they go splat. But he couldn&#039;t crush Kilgore online or irl.<br /><br />1. Jenova - Holy shit. This guy spews some of the most egotistical things ever heard or seen. It&#039;s like his religion to spew how great he is every 5 minutes in irc. One of my favorite lines from him is in [url=http://www.altdeath.com/fluxbb/viewtopic.php?pid=249#p249]THIS POST[/url]<br /><br />[quote]I didn&#039;t even get drafted into the IDL the first season I signed up, yet I ended up winning last season.[/quote]<br />So he basically takes credit for a team effort so casually. Or maybe he really did do it all. Maybe next season he can be a whole team and put that ego to test. Maybe with all his supposed talent, he&#039;ll make it to the MB all by himself.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4151, 442, 16, 1307327054, 60, 4151, 'Re: A Post About Trading That You Should Read', 'Jkist3', 'jefferson.kist@duke.edu', '99.140.193.16', 1, 1307331814, 'JKist3', 'The season 5 trade between killingblair and nostar which assembled team NS gets a bad rap, which I think is unwarranted.&nbsp; Most people just assume killingblair traded me to nostar for nautilus and possibly some cash bribe as well, point fingers at trading in the idl, and complain about fairness or what not.&nbsp; While many people care enough about the trade to write long forum posts, debate for lengthy times in irc, and complain to the board, surprisingly few (or in all reality unsurprisingly, because the vast majority of you are idiots) cared to actually look at the trade and uncover the details of it.&nbsp; And the few of you who did, seem to have forgotten them and somehow come to believe the common assumptions people make are true.&nbsp; So here is what actually happened:<br /><br />This was the first season of the franchising era.&nbsp; With no previous season results to go off of the draft order was random, and would be released only moments before the actual draft.&nbsp; Pre-season, Killingblair traded nostar his franchise for all of nostar&#039;s draft picks.&nbsp; This meant Killingblair was trading his franchise pick for 2 random first round picks, and basically a very high second round pick (blair was getting the highest of 2 random second round picks.&nbsp; Because teams weren&#039;t allowed to field a 5 man roster, he would have to give the lower of the 2 random second round picks back to nostar). <br /><br />It was not a simple JKist3 for Nautilus trade. To me this seems and always has seemed like a pretty reasonable trade.&nbsp; Yet everyone else cried about it thinking blair was trading his franchise pick for some random douche bag, and even got the board to block trading franchise players in future seasons.&nbsp; Blair traded a franchise player for 2 random first rounders and the highest of 2 second round picks.&nbsp; Yet the next season when doomguy didn&#039;t franchise and in effect was giving up his franchise player for 2 first rounders and a second rounder, everyone praised him. They said it was a smart move for a captain who might have trouble finding a strong player willing to franchise with him to basically take the draft picks instead, even though this was very similar to what they had been crying about the prior season.&nbsp; Why the contradicting feelings? I dunno, maybe ignorance of the blair/nostar trade, maybe doomguy&#039;s team was far less intimidating than team NS (understandable, team NS went on to play in 2 consecutive seasons, winning 2 consecutive masterbowls and never losing a single regular season or playoff match in the process.&nbsp; Something no team had ever done once let alone 2 times in a row.&nbsp; To this date no other team has even done this for one season) so they didn&#039;t mind, maybe stupidity, maybe a little bit of all three.&nbsp; Either way I think it&#039;s hypocritical.&nbsp; People always bash this trade, even though to me it was one of the more creative and reasonable ones done, yet go on to argue for much worse trades at a later date.&nbsp; Stupid people cried enough to a board stupid enough to listen to them and got rules restricting trading in place and put a huge taboo over the whole trading thing, and then later are crying about why there is barely any trading in idl (franchising is no longer currently in effect, so the ban on trading franchise players is irrelevant; however, the spirit of the whole thing is still very relevant).&nbsp; So to everyone here who is complaining about no trading taking place, pull your head out of your ass and figure out what you really want.&nbsp; If you want a league where trading freely takes place then remove restrictions on trading, stop crying about every single trade that happens (I&#039;m pretty sure I can find a multiple page flame thread on these forums for nearly every single trade that has happened in idl history), and embrace the idea that a captain who the league has determined is able enough to control a team is actually able enough to have full control over his team by making trading decisions.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4193, 438, 16, 1308608587, 2, 4193, 'Re: S2011 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY - WAIVER WIRE', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.37.22.79', 1, 0, '', '[b]Flag Steelers[/b]<br />Traded Godlike to Free Agency for Capodecima (Week 3)<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1606, 179, 11, 1267326736, 0, 1606, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Fastidious', '', '76.223.241.169', 1, 0, '', 'I thought I would just say if you guys haven&#039;t figured it out yet I&#039;m fanning the flames on purpose for a reason.&nbsp; So people take action and do things.&nbsp; Demagoguery is fun.&nbsp; I like to do this about once a season at least, haha.&nbsp; I remember when I first started posting on the IDL and brought up shit and everyone was like &quot;who is this guy&quot;.&nbsp; Good times.<br /><br />Anyhow on with the &quot;real talk&quot;...<br /><br />Ralph I&#039;m sure if I had access to massive IRC logs and the DE forums I could come up with many examples.&nbsp; I don&#039;t usually save such examples or remember them to use in the future.&nbsp; I think most people know the IDL has had a lot of fuck ups.&nbsp;  One of my favorites was how long it took to get Dragan, like four weeks wasn&#039;t?&nbsp; That was a joke.&nbsp; UD CONSPIRACY.<br /><br />Why is mixing and matching stupid?&nbsp; The IDL already mixes and matches(3v2, 2v2, 2v1) but those are unfair so I guess that&#039;s OK, so I don&#039;t see how you can deny 4v4 as an option especially since is a fair match.&nbsp; 4v4 would let more players play, isn&#039;t that the point of the IDL?&nbsp; I guess not.&nbsp; We play 4v4 a shit ton in private.&nbsp; The only real reason the league is 3v3 is due to logistics.<br /><br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=179.msg1585#msg1585 date=1267232320]I&#039;m sure that my situation has likely held the league back in terms of growth as time has passed and I&#039;m sure a bit of selfishness plays into this on my part.[/quote]<br /><br />Just a bit?&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; Hopefully this will not be an issue in the future.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]Change in what way?&nbsp; I&#039;d argue that IDL went through a major change in Season 5, mostly all of which was Ralphis&#039; idea.&nbsp; In fact, the only thing I can think of in recent memory he said he&#039;d veto was switching to 4v4.&nbsp; I would also rather avoid a big change that destroys the league as opposed to doing the same thing next season.&nbsp; IDL is good enough, and it can be better.&nbsp; That doesn&#039;t mean we have to overhaul everything every season, that&#039;s madness.[/quote] <br /><br />What is it with you guys, putting crazy thoughts on everything.&nbsp; Slipperly slope much Ladna?&nbsp; You seem to be jumping to huge fucking conclusions in your own mind based on nothing.&nbsp; Did anyone say they want the IDL overhauled every season, WTF?&nbsp; No.&nbsp; Also I don&#039;t think the IDL player base is going anywhere too fast.&nbsp; We have proven to be remarkably resilient.&nbsp; I think we can risk some meaningful changes.&nbsp; Have faith in the player base.<br /><br />Why can Ralph just veto anything like 4v4?&nbsp; What&#039;s the deal with that?&nbsp; Why can&#039;t the players vote on things.&nbsp; Is the IDL really so fucking big that we need a government that isn&#039;t even representative to us?&nbsp; At least if the players pick things they will have no one to blame except themselves.&nbsp; I know some people on the board have the attitude that the players are all idiots and you have to lead us to the pot of gold but why can&#039;t the players vote on things?&nbsp; You might be surprised what would happen.&nbsp; People would also be actively involved in the IDL at an even deeper level which is a good thing.<br /><br />There have been many changes suggested already.&nbsp; I mean to post all my own ideas in one post sometime soon but I&#039;ve already said a lot of them.<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]What do you mean, &quot;the fact is debating and winning arguments isn&#039;t what should decide how a league is run&quot;?&nbsp; How else are we supposed to decide things?[/quote]<br /><br />Some people will argue until anyone else gives up.&nbsp; I know because Ralph used to do that all the time with me.&nbsp; You can always come up with a fucking reason or rationalization why something will fail or not work.&nbsp; Until you fucking try it you don&#039;t know, do you?&nbsp; That&#039;s why I liked to see us try new things each season, and keep what works.&nbsp; Most people can not predict who will win each week but they can sure argue why their picks will win.&nbsp; The IDL should try something new each season.&nbsp; Keep stuff fresh and old players on their toes!<br /><br />[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1586#msg1586 date=1267235020]These options blow.[/quote]<br /><br />Not as much as not playing a fair match.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather play a 2v2 than have a forfeit and I&#039;d rather play a 3v3 than a 3v2, etc.&nbsp; The point of the IDL is to play matches, as much as some of you guys forget, playing Doom is the goal here.&nbsp; I&#039;d rather put up with some bullshit if it means more fair matches get played.<br /><br />Also Ladna I know you play politics too because you offered to let me upload a fake demo and I refused your scum bag ass.&nbsp;  8)&nbsp; Yeah but politics are all just conspiracy in my mind, huh?&nbsp; Also what was the deal with so many teams missing demos without penalty but I was going to have to miss a match over mine until I found the demos and re-uploaded them.&nbsp; Again seems like politics, people unfairly applying the rules.&nbsp; Doesn&#039;t even matter if the IDL has specific rules or not, people will do bullshit anyways.&nbsp; That is why I&#039;d like to see the players more involved on every level if possible.&nbsp; Then it is our fault if something stupid happens and we let it.&nbsp; Maybe the board should be bigger, maybe each captain should be a member, or maybe the league should just open voting on many things to the players.<br /><br />For the record I don&#039;t have any hard feelings towards anyone in this thread, hope it is likewise.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1753, 201, 12, 1272375967, 15, 1753, 'Changes', 'ItalianStallion', 'stalliondoom@gmail.com', '76.65.88.198', 1, 0, '', 'I can see that the Franchising period has been removed from the Time Table for the summer season.&nbsp; So I assume franchising has been taken out.&nbsp; I think a list of changes should be shown to the players of the idl.&nbsp; Even if it is just the franchising.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1799, 209, 12, 1274022460, 2, 1799, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'im so great.&nbsp; There are probably a few exceptions to some of the things here but I don&#039;t think a lot of newer players will readily be able to recognize these opportunities and be able to fully take advantage of them.&nbsp; If you can read quickly I would highly suggest reading obituaries.&nbsp; I also play with show scores on almost the entire game, knowing who has the flag can let you more easily preempt them, knowing the defense can allow you to play in more aggressive, confusing ways.&nbsp; If any of you do not sr-50, I would highly recommend it getting stuck behind slow teammates is terribly annoying and not getting backup because your teammates cannot perform difficult jumps or move quickly is also annoying!&nbsp; As a runner I have become pretty used to being on my own, not much makes me happier than to see a teammate trying to support me (except scoring maybe)&nbsp; One of the best ways to improve yourself is to ask older players how they would act in certain situations or for general tips/strategies like Ladna has ragedumped here.&nbsp; Have fun!!', 'xx', 1);
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	(8858, 878, 30, 1365535072, 216, 8858, 'Re: IDL Radio #1 - 4/7/2013', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '70.26.78.68', 1, 0, '', 'We&#039;re spending airtime on him. We&#039;re wasting our..........air!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1940, 224, 12, 1276725491, 10, 1940, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]RALPHIS&#039; GAME OF THE WEEK[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center]<br /><br />	The first divisional matchup of the WDC conference this season looks to be a good one as Nostar&#039;s Cowboys go up against LordBritish&#039;s Steelers. Last week, the Brokeback Cowboys dealt a convincing loss to the Doom Raiders while the Flag Steelers were mired by connection issues, resulting in a tie. Though neither team has a recorded loss yet, one will almost certainly have one after this week as this map often reaches five flags per round. The next time these two divisional rivals will meet is week 9, the longest wait for a return game this season.<br /><br />	The Cowboys have all the tools to bring the pain on this map and Nostar is no stranger to it, having won his second MasterBowl title on this map two seasons ago. His team is also equipped to run the same type of scheme that he did with S2009 SUC with Mike in the role of Chewy and Mid/Collision in the role of JKist. As the only team with a win in their conference going into week 2, the Cowboys can further distance themselves from the pack by not only compiling two wins, but beating their divisional opponent.<br /><br />	However, the Flag Steelers have all of the tools needed to get it done. This map caters to a frantic, fast paced offense and the Flag Steelers may be better suited than any other team in the league to do this. The team showed that they can contest adversity when their captain was forced out of the game in week 1 due to connection issues, but they&#039;re going to need more than that this week. Hopefully for the Flag Steelers, LordBritish has no connection issues and is ready to go on Thursday night. With FLS&#039; first line in, the Steelers maybe be able to run with the balance needed to topple the Cowboys.<br /><br />[i]If FLS is met with no connection issues, they can probably pull it off provided they setup and communicate effectively. If not, it will be a two rounder in BBC&#039;s favor.[/i]<br />[center][b]FLS 2-1 BBC[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	The Spread Eagles continue their interconference tour this week as they match up against the IDC North&#039;s Killing Browns. The Spread Eagles enter the game last in the conference at 0-1 after a defeat last week to the Super Chargers while the Killing Browns stand as #1 overall in the IDL. The most interesting aspect of this game however is that earlier this week, both teams traded their first round picks. JoshSmith from the Eagles for KillingBlair of the Browns. Which team got the better end of the deal?<br /><br />	The Spread Eagles are coming off a loss to the reigning champion Super Chargers but can bounce back with a win here. Projecting the WDC, the Eagles need the win here as they go on five game gauntlet entire conference in weeks 4-8. Entering those games with two losses will likely prove problematic for them. Mounting enough offensive pressure while maintaining acceptable control of the middle will be critical for the Eagles this week.<br /><br />	Contrary to a few people I&#039;ve spoken to, I think that the Killing Browns are actually the favorites coming into this match. If JoshSmith can show up for the Browns and play a strong defense while Tai controls the middle, either Strangle or X-Ray should be able to bring in flags. However, Tai is known for being bull-headed and might try to get too tricky for his own good. Even then, the Browns enter this game in a good position regardless of who plays in the third spot.<br /><br />[i]The Killing Browns continue their streak by putting away the Eagles, albeit in two close rounds.[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 0-2 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	This is the only game this week where both teams come in without a win. The Doom Raiders coming off a loss to the Cowboys while the Packers tied it up with the Steelers. Given their conference situations, both teams need a win this week.<br /><br />	The Raiders had a promising showing in week 1 despite a loss to the Cowboys. Goatface is probably one of the least talented captains in the IDL in terms of raw skill, but he more than makes up for that with an intelligence and wit that is far superior to most of the league. Because of this, I predict that the Raiders will do well given another week or two to gel. Unfortunately, I don&#039;t think it will be enough to get them a win this week. The Raiders -must- solidify their play on the defensive end.<br /><br />	I say this because the Berserker Packers only scratched the surface of their power last week without their front line in play and, aside from the Flag Steelers, have what I see as one of the most potent offensive squads in the league. The map caters to their style and Jenova, last season&#039;s flag cap leader, is innovative enough that his team should be able to scramble even the most veteran of defenses. <br /><br />[i]Doom Raiders will come out and continue to get better, but they&#039;ll be fighting an uphill battle. I&#039;d love to see them prove me wrong and get the win this week.[/i]<br />[center][b]DMR 0-2 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center]Hopefully a good game![/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2060, 232, 12, 1278836251, 0, 2060, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Fastidious', '', '112.200.157.45', 1, 0, '', 'Going to have to explain that one to me Xen I don&#039;t follow that at all.&nbsp; I just think you like to post weird pictures and confuse people.&nbsp; Taking after RottKing!', 'xx', 1);
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	(2115, 232, 12, 1279209330, 19, 2115, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Hatred link=topic=232.msg2109#msg2109 date=1279122536]<br />Well with all due respect to my man xen, I can certainly understand why White tells him what to do. The funny thing is, White told him what to do all season and he didn&#039;t listen but when I was traded to EBL, I told him the exact same thing white had been telling him all season and he listened to me on the first time haha. Apparently Whiteboy knows nothing, I mean, he&#039;s just been a league MVP, arguably Canada&#039;s best overall player and an accomplished DooM veteran - yeah what does that loser know? <br />Haha, I love you, Xen &lt;3!!!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Well, in my defense, when he told me he laced it with insults and the like so I pretty much didn&#039;t take it seriously. I figured he was just pissed and venting and generally frustrated, like all of us p much were at 0-4. But yeah, oops! Shows how good I am at this game nowadays. 8)', 'xx', 1);
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	(1886, 219, 1, 1274819122, 19, 1886, 'Re: Welcome to the Wild West', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;d love to visit another part of the world. That&#039;s awesome.<br /><br />I could also get into Korean Air. SC $$', 'xx', 1);
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	(1891, 221, 12, 1274849537, 46, 1895, 'Summer 2010 Draft Recorded in Ogg format', 'Roscoe', 'dalekcomander@gmail.com', '174.25.1.243', 1, 1274910084, 'Ladna', 'This link has an download limit of 10, seeing as it&#039;s rapidshare.&nbsp; However, I am hoping that Ladna will get it uploaded soon and be able to share a more permanent link to it on this same forum topic.<br /><br />But for now, [url=http://static.intldoomleague.org/idlsummer2010livedraft.ogg]here[/url] is my humble, limited link.&nbsp; Filesize of about 54mb so prepare for a short download wait, or if you have Firefox it&#039;ll start playing immediately, or you can use this thing called software to play it from the internet.<br /><br />Feel free to edit my post or whatever you want to do, Ladna.<br /><br />PS Sorry for the chat alert sounds around 5:00 into the recording.&nbsp; I made sure I had all other sounds turned off mostly after that point.<br /><br />EDIT<br /><br />Actually all the grunting and shit is hilarious.&nbsp; Good job Rudy.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1808, 210, 12, 1274044122, 10, 2158, 'S2010 Free Agents - Trade History', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1281059619, 'Ralphis', '[center][size=20pt][b]IDL Free Agency[/b][/size]<br /><br />Capodecima<br />Dreever<br />Frozen<br />Hellgnaw<br />Hourglass<br />KalFoxis<br />Killemall<br />Malignity<br />Mandolore<br />Marax<br />MionicDonut<br />Mistopher<br />Nazz<br />Rexn0r<br />Roscoe<br />Sunoska<br />Swiftshot<br />Vampire Knight<br />WraithVerge<br /><br />[b][size=18pt]Withdrawn/Dismissed[/size][/b]<br /><br />Nero<br />Shadow Ghost<br /><br />[b][size=18pt]SUMMER 2010 TRADE HISTORY[/size][/b]<br /><br />[b][size=16pt][color=blue]International Doom Conference[/color][/size][/b]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Electric Bills (EBL)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]Traded Climhazzard to Free Agency in exchange for Nero (Week 4)[/li]<br />[li]Traded Nero to the Doom Raiders in exchange for Hatred (Week 5)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Killing Browns (KBG)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]Traded KillingBlair to the Spread Eagles in exchange for JoshSmith (Week 2)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Doom Raiders (DMR)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]Traded MionicDonut to Free Agency in exchange for Souler (Week 3)[/li]<br />[li]Traded Hatred to the Electric Bills in exchange for Nero (Week 5)[/li]<br />[li]Withdrawal by Nero; Acolyte chosen from Free Agency (Week 6)[/li][/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Super Chargers (SUC)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]Traded Rexn0r to Free Agency in exchange for OurHero (Week 3)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[b][size=16pt][color=red]World Doom Conference[/color][/size][/b]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Berserker Packers (BSK)[/b]<br />[list]<br />[li]Traded Nero to Free Agency in exchange for Legion (Week 1)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Spread Eagles (SPE)[/b]<br />[list]<br />[li]Traded Roscoe to Free Agency in exchange for Beast (Week 1)[/li]<br />[li]Traded JoshSmith to the Killing Browns in exchange for KillingBlair (Week 2)[/li]<br />[li]League Withdrawal of Shadow Ghost; Fluffles chosen from Free Agency (Week 8.)[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Brokeback Cowboys (BBC)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]None[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Flag Steelers (FLS)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]Traded WraithVerge to Free Agency in exchange for Climhazzard (Week 5)[/li]<br />[/list][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3368, 382, 1, 1297083891, 158, 3368, 'Re: Top 5 EGOS', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '64.56.250.48', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m the best.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3789, 410, 14, 1300319446, 55, 3789, 'Re: Free wins....', 'ReXn0r', 'yannik_marcos@hotmail.com', '189.152.118.149', 1, 0, '', 'Ok. Enough of this, I&#039;m locking this thread.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3915, 406, 14, 1302534144, 8, 3915, 'Re: Regular Season Discussion', 'HumanBones', 'zachbandle@rocketmail.com', '209.239.209.229', 1, 0, '', '3v3 for sure. I still like that the league has 12 teams, and it seemed to work out pretty well. Besides two teams, every other team has very similar records, and even though SUC/BSk dominated the season record-wise, both teams had some pretty close games. I think 12 teams distributes talent more evenly than 8, and now the 3rd player on a roster is much more important. <br /><br />I mean, just look at some of the breakout performances we&#039;ve had this season. You could argue that Mass, higgs, Prime, Kov and Dr_Noob all had very impressive seasons that may not have been possible had there only been 8 teams. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1835, 212, 1, 1274310487, 89, 1835, 'Re: When will Legion be unbanned from PCTF?', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '70.242.1.162', 1, 0, '', '1 dollar on June 7th', 'xx', 1);
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	(4194, 438, 16, 1308631727, 2, 4194, 'Re: S2011 FREE AGENTS - TRADE HISTORY - WAIVER WIRE', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.37.22.79', 1, 0, '', '[b]Electric Bills[/b]<br />Traded Dawsonation to Free Agency for Godlike (Week 3)<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(4152, 443, 18, 1307376740, 23, 4152, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 6 - Jun 12) : ZDCTF26 (MAP 26) - Discussion and Results', 'Nautilus', 'knotilus@myway.com', '173.79.253.52', 1, 0, '', 'haha my team is so goddamned underrated, you dickwads don&#039;t know shit about what we can do', 'xx', 1);
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	(4739, 501, 16, 1315585733, 35, 4739, 'Re: IDL Map Contest Voting (idl2012.wad)', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.240.85.23', 1, 1315585993, 'Whiteboy567', 'Most of this god dam wad is shit! I vote for coll&#039;s, josh&#039;s and mike&#039;s maps. Honorable mentions to Rust&#039;s Map and Alex&#039;s cross whatever map. These 2 didn&#039;t get a vote because i don&#039;t believe they&#039;re worthy enough for IDL yet. Maybe with Rust&#039;s change i&#039;ll bump it up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1610, 178, 11, 1267378681, 61, 1610, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '69.129.234.61', 1, 1267378989, 'Chain', '[quote author=Ladna][b][size=6]ODA02[/size][/b].<br /><br />Fuckin hate that map now.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />What I&#039;ve been saying for 1-2 years+ now? :P<br /><br />I think the &quot;map pool&quot; match system could yield some amazing results in CTF league play. If you have a pool of a small # of maps (say, 5 maps), then everyone would be forced to practice a good variety of maps. In this case, [i]variety[/i] hopefully means &quot;variety in playing [i]style[/i]&quot; and not the same bitch with different panties, if you catch my drift. This way, people have to be well-rounded no matter what, and practices would be much less stale and monotonous.<br /><br />BTW, by &quot;map pool&quot; idea I most likely mean what Fast does--each team picking a map out of the pool, and then either coin toss or flag count (throwing ideas out here, don&#039;t raep me) can determine who picks tiebreaker? This still of course following the best-of-3 format. Or maybe with the 5 maps in a season, the best-of-5 playoffs can utilize [b]all[/b] of the maps in the pool!<br /><br />If people still want a longer season, maybe each 3 weeks can have a different set of 5 maps to choose from? That rounds it out at 15 maps total per season, not counting MB map. Speaking of which, the notion of a MB map would be gone with a pool system, and people could win the IDL title based on all-around knowledge and skill across maps instead of a singular, specific arena :).', 'xx', 1);
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	(1754, 201, 12, 1272394002, 20, 1754, 'Re: Changes', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.83.25', 1, 0, '', 'Hey Stall&nbsp; ;D<br /><br />Yep... They are usually posted under the &quot;IDL Rule Changes&quot; section... <br /><br />Here is the link:<br /><br />http://forums.intldoomleague.org/index.php?topic=200.0', 'xx', 1);
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	(1619, 179, 11, 1267583616, 49, 1619, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'Beast you make some good points.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1620, 176, 11, 1267634142, 30, 1620, 'Re: Missing Demos', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.185', 1, 0, '', 'i didnt play against DMR', 'xx', 1);
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	(1800, 209, 12, 1274028261, 147, 1800, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', '12:33:05&nbsp; &lt;LordBritish&gt;	after reading 10 sentences<br />12:33:13&nbsp; &lt;LordBritish&gt;	ladna&#039;s ctf guide is the greatest document<br />12:33:16&nbsp; &lt;LordBritish&gt;	since justinian&#039;s code<br /><br />My sentiments.<br /><br />Also, you aren&#039;t good enough to bitch people out.&nbsp; Leave that to the rest of us.&nbsp; And if you think you&#039;re good enough because you shut me out one game, you didn&#039;t shut me out.&nbsp; I was double/triple teamed all game.&nbsp; Nobody shuts me out.<br /><br />But yeah I agree with most everything that has been said.&nbsp; Rockets really irk me.&nbsp; I mean really really really irk me.&nbsp; But I think even worse than rockets is Ralphing (waiting at the opposing flag stand), although he doesn&#039;t do it to me so I guess I shouldn&#039;t call it Ralphing.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1858, 218, 12, 1274513198, 10, 1858, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1274515514, 'Ralphis', '[b]* Xenaero - Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />Whiteboy.<br /><br />Prediction - Whiteboy<br />Other Options - Whiteboy<br /><br />[b]* Goatface* - Doom Raiders[/b]<br /><br />Goatface is smart, but also in my division. Better get some D.<br /><br />Prediction - Stallion <br />Other options - Joshsmith<br /><br />[b]* Tai - Killing Browns[/b]<br /><br />Tai&#039;s teams have drastically underperformed in the IDL for over two years. The last time one of his teams placed over .500 in the IDL was in Winter 2008 (3 losing seasons and a .500 showing since then) and the last time he won a conference title was Summer 2007. <br /><br />If Tai wants any chance of getting back to the MB, he needs to stop playing D and either grab an ace runner or an ace D. He has to be the mid. I really feel like with Tai in mid, the defense doesn&#039;t have to be as great as usual so he should grab the best runner available with this pick. There is enough defensive depth in this draft to grab someone good enough at the 14th pick.<br /><br />Prediction - Mikehail<br />Other options - Sabertooth, Gyrossman, Dew<br /><br />[b]* Jenova* - Berserker Packers[/b]<br /><br />Jenova comes into this season holding the IDL&#039;s top flag capture title, so he could probably stand to beef up defensively here. However, he could also go offensive and hope to mount one of the fiercest offenses in the league (hoping a defensive pick at the 13th overall is good enough). Jenova can also defend well, so maybe grabbing a generalist with his second round pick would work as well. Plus maybe RussianDumbass because of their apparent ST connection.<br /><br />Prediction - Joshsmith<br />Other options - Dew, Gyrossman, Hatred, Killingblair, Mantis, RussianDumbass, Sabertooth<br /><br />[b]* Nostar* - Brokeback Cowboys[/b]<br /><br />Nostar is fickle and wants to play with his buddies. In light of this, if mikehail is gone he will go to Ladna.<br /><br />Prediction - Ladna<br />Other options - Mikehail if he&#039;s available<br /><br />[b]* LordBritish* - Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br />LordBritish caught a tough break. Nostar is no easy divisional opponent and picking after him makes matter worse. However, an early pick in the second round might be able to offset this fact as there should still be ample starting talent at the 11th overall pick. LordBritish is primarily seen as a runner and, given potential ping issues, should seal it up that he will most likely not be tackling primary defensive responsibilities this season. He should grab a defenseman.<br /><br />Prediction - KillingBlair<br />Other Options - Hatred, Mantis<br /><br />[b]* Shadow Ghost - Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />After an admirable MasterBowl run last season, Denny has big shoes to fill for Humanbones and Metalblack. I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see a SIN revival in way of Hatred/Mantis on SPE by the end of the draft.<br /><br />Prediction - Hatred/Mantis<br />Other options - A ton of people<br /><br />[b]* Ralphis - Super Chargers[/b]<br /><br />?????????????????????????????', 'xx', 1);
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	(1528, 175, 11, 1266816424, 10, 1612, 'W2010 Homefield Map Selection', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 1267409820, 'Ralphis', 'It&#039;s map selection time. Teams select in reverse order of the first round of the pre-season draft. Any map from the IDL wad may be selected, only by one team, with the exception of this season&#039;s MasterBowl map (Map30).<br /><br />Map selections will be posted as they are made.<br /><br />[hr]<br />1. Berserker Packers - MAP19 (ZDCTF19)<br />2. Brokeback Cowboys - MAP29 (ZDECTF2-19)<br />3. Super Chargers - MAP12 (32IN24-4 MAP13)<br />4. Electric Bills - MAP07 (ZDCTF07)<br />5. Killing Browns - MAP01 (ZDCTF01)<br />6. Doom Raiders - MAP31 (32IN24-4 MAP31)<br />7. Flag Steelers - MAP28 (ZDECTF2-07)<br />8. Spread Eagles - MAP14 (32IN24-4 MAP09)<br />[hr]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1613, 175, 11, 1267409828, 10, 1613, 'Re: W2010 Homefield Map Selection', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 0, '', 'Homefield selection done', 'xx', 1);
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	(1614, 177, 11, 1267415566, 22, 1614, 'Re: Week 8 (Feb 22 - Feb 28) : ZDCTF16 (Map 16) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '24.141.53.160', 1, 0, '', 'http://www.speedyshare.com/files/21196866/IDL-SPEvsBSK-week8_map16ShadowPOVREAL.108.rar', 'xx', 1);
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	(2013, 210, 12, 1278526176, 20, 2013, 'Re: S2010 Free Agents - Trade History', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.83.25', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Nero link=topic=210.msg2009#msg2009 date=1278499617]<br />I&#039;m kinda sick of this season already, played 2 rounds, tried to help a team and captain who clearly needs it.. Ignored, then dismissed and placed on a team I&#039;d rather drink my own piss than play for. <br /><br />I think my season here is done this time around, thanks!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Ya that was kind of weird being picked up one week and then traded the next week... Guess that was an oppurtunity he couldn&#039;t pass up... Good luck though... Hope you&#039;ll come back for future seasons&nbsp; ;D', 'xx', 1);
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	(2116, 235, 12, 1279211920, 19, 2116, 'Re: Week 6 (Jul 13 - Jul 20) : ZDCTF01 (MAP01) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=mikefails link=topic=235.msg2110#msg2110 date=1279123968]<br />SUC 10-0<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Is that flags? I hope so but you won&#039;t have time to answer because do you know what time it is?! (NOT AFKSLEEPZIES BONES) It&#039;s time for~<br /><br />[center][img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/300610/1277917658.gif[/img][/center]<br /><br />[center][b][size=16pt][color=#c00709]B[/color][color=#bf280b]r[/color][color=#bf490d]o[/color][color=#be6a10]k[/color][color=#be8b12]e[/color][color=#c0a907]b[/color][color=#9bae0a]a[/color][color=#76b30e]c[/color][color=#50b811]k[/color] [color=#07c011]C[/color][color=#0b8c4a]o[/color][color=#105884]w[/color][color=#070cc0]b[/color][color=#350ebd]o[/color][color=#6210ba]y[/color][color=#9012b7]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#663311]K[/color][color=#6f3912]i[/color][color=#773e13]l[/color][color=#804414]l[/color][color=#894915]i[/color][color=#924f16]n[/color][color=#9a5417]g[/color] [color=#ac5f1a]B[/color][color=#b4651b]r[/color][color=#bd6a1c]o[/color][color=#c6701d]w[/color][color=#cf751e]n[/color][color=#d77b1f]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BBC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]KGB[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br /><br />This is Tai&#039;s map. That being said, it&#039;s up to KGB to rally after a crushing game on MAP20, and this looks like the arena to pull it off. The problem is, BBC is currently undefeated. The Browns themselves have a record below .500 so statistically it could be considered a one sided match. Tai, however, usually structures his teams in such a manner that they&#039;re formidable on the frag-oriented maps. In an ideal world this will stop runners like mikehail but it probably won&#039;t happen because mike has ridiculous hacks since he&#039;s across the mid in about half a second. So everyone demo, we can ban that cheating fuck right here and now. As much as I hate undefeated teams and want them to lose horribly, it&#039;s probably not going to happen.<br />[center][b]BBC 2-0 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br /><br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#0744c0]S[/color][color=#0849c0]u[/color][color=#094fc0]p[/color][color=#0a54bf]e[/color][color=#0b59bf]r[/color] [color=#0d64bf]C[/color][color=#0e6abf]h[/color][color=#0e6fbe]a[/color][color=#0f74be]r[/color][color=#107abe]g[/color][color=#117fbe]e[/color][color=#1284bd]r[/color][color=#138abd]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#6e6e6e]D[/color][color=#656565]o[/color][color=#5c5c5c]o[/color][color=#535353]m[/color] [color=#404040]R[/color][color=#373737]a[/color][color=#2e2e2e]i[/color][color=#252525]d[/color][color=#1c1c1c]e[/color][color=#121212]r[/color][color=#090909]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]SUC[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]DMR[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9568;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552; [size=5][b][color=brown]DIVISION[/color][/b][/size] &#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9571;[/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br /><br />Let&#039;s go Goat! *clap clap* Let&#039;s go Goat! *clap clap* Let&#039;s go Goat! *clap clap*<br />[center][b]SUC 1-2 DMR[/b][/center]<br /><br /><br /><br />[center][b][size=20pt][color=#c00907]F[/color][color=#b10a19]l[/color][color=#a20c2c]a[/color][color=#940d3e]g[/color] [color=#761063]S[/color][color=#671275]t[/color][color=#591387]e[/color][color=#4a1599]e[/color][color=#3b16ac]l[/color][color=#2c18be]e[/color][color=#1e19d0]r[/color][color=#0f1be3]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#c09807]E[/color][color=#b28d07]l[/color][color=#a58206]e[/color][color=#977706]c[/color][color=#896d05]t[/color][color=#7b6205]r[/color][color=#6e5704]i[/color][color=#604c04]c[/color] [color=#453603]B[/color][color=#372b02]i[/color][color=#292102]l[/color][color=#1b1601]l[/color][color=#0e0b01]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]FLS[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]EBL[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br /><br />This house is a fucking PRISON, on planet BULLSHIT, in the galaxy of THIS SUCKS CAMEL DICKS!<br />[center][b]FLS ?-? EBL[/b][/center]<br /><br /><br /><br />[center][b][size=16pt][color=#000000]B[/color][color=#0b0101]e[/color][color=#160202]r[/color][color=#210404]s[/color][color=#2c0505]e[/color][color=#380606]r[/color][color=#430707]k[/color][color=#4e0808]e[/color][color=#590909]r[/color] [color=#6f0c0c]P[/color][color=#7a0d0d]a[/color][color=#850e0e]c[/color][color=#910f0f]k[/color][color=#9c1010]e[/color][color=#a71212]r[/color][color=#b21313]s[/color][/size][/b]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; [b][size=20pt][color=#196758]S[/color][color=#246c5e]p[/color][color=#2f7164]r[/color][color=#3a766a]e[/color][color=#447a70]a[/color][color=#4f7f76]d[/color] [color=#658982]E[/color][color=#708e88]a[/color][color=#7b938e]g[/color][color=#859794]l[/color][color=#909c9a]e[/color][color=#9ba1a0]s[/color][/size][/b]<br />[size=7]&#9556;&#9577;[size=6] [i]BSK[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9574;&#9508;[u]VS[/u]&#9500;&#9574;&#9577;[size=6] [i]SPE[/i] [/size]&#9577;&#9559;[/size]<br />[size=7][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img]&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;  [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img][/size]<br />[size=7]&#9568;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552; [size=5][b][color=brown]DIVISION[/color][/b][/size] &#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9571;[/size]<br />[size=7]&#9562;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9577;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9552;&#9565;[/size][/center]<br />[center][img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/300610/1277917653.gif[/img][/center]<br />A rematch! From two weeks ago! I remember making a prediction of 2-1 in the Eagles&#039; favor last time this matchup happened, although I didn&#039;t expect Denny to be absent from the game. As a result it turned into a nasty one sided game. Hopefully all of SPE will be on for this one! They&#039;re going to need it, as if memory serves me correctly, Stall is pretty brutal on this map. There&#039;s weak points in both teams and it&#039;s really up to their opponents to exploit them if viable. I pretty much expect this game to be a total stalemate. But a tense one, with many mutual caps all around.<br />[center][b]BSK 1-1 SPE[/b][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2229, 243, 12, 1281715625, 2, 2229, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.52.171', 1, 0, '', 'everybody look at denny, he doesn&#039;t know the difference between 5 and 6 ^<br /><br />[b][color=blue]INTERNATIONAL DOOM CONFERENCE[/color][/b]<br />[list type=decimal]<br />[li]Hatred[/li]<br />[li]Ralphis[/li]<br />[li]Gyrossman[/li]<br />[li]Whiteboy567[/li]<br />[li]X-Ray[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[b][color=red]WORLD DOOM CONFERENCE[/color][/b]<br />[list type=decimal]<br />[li]Nostar[/li]<br />[li]Fluffles[/li]<br />[li]Jenova[/li]<br />[li]Mantis-X[/li]<br />[li]RussianDumbass[/li]<br />[/list]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1615, 181, 11, 1267418444, 10, 1615, 'Week 9 Playoff Picture', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '216.220.64.27', 1, 1267423383, 'Ralphis', '[center][b][size=18pt]W2010 PLAYOFF RACE[/size][/b]<br /><br />[b][size=16pt][color=blue]International Doom Conference[/color][/size][/b]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Super Chargers (SUC)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]6-1-0 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Clinched Division Title, Homefield and Wildcard Bye with Week 7 win over EBL[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ KGB[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Killing Browns (KGB)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]3-3-1 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Clinched Division Title and Homefield Advantage in Wildcard with Week 8 win over EBL[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ SUC[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Doom Raiders (DMR)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]1-5-1 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Can clinch Wildcard Berth with a DMR win [i]or[/i] EBL loss[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ BBC[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Electric Bills (EBL)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]1-6-0 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Can clinch Wildcard Berth with an EBL win [i]and[/i] DMR loss[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ BSK[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[b][size=16pt][color=red]World Doom Conference[/color][/size][/b]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Flag Steelers (FLS)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]5-2-0 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Clinched Division Title with Week 8 win over BBC[/li]<br />[li]Can clinch Homefield Advantage with a FLS win over or tie SPE[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ SPE[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Spread Eagles (SPE)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]4-2-1 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Clinched Division Title with Week 8 win over BSK[/li]<br />[li]Can clinch Homefield Advantage with a SPE win over FLS[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ FLS[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Brokeback Cowboys (BBC)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]3-3-1 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Can clinch Wildcard Berth with a BBC win [i]or[/i] BSK loss[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ DMR[/li]<br />[/list]<br /><br />[size=12pt][b]Berserker Packers (BSK)[/b][/size]<br />[list]<br />[li]2-3-2 entering week 9[/li]<br />[li]Can clinch Wildcard Berth with a BSK win [i]and[/i] BBC loss[/li]<br />[li]Next Game @ DMR[/li]<br />[/list][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1616, 179, 11, 1267429710, 130, 1616, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br /><br />I thought I would just say if you guys haven&#039;t figured it out yet I&#039;m fanning the flames on purpose for a reason.&nbsp; So people take action and do things.&nbsp; Demagoguery is fun.[/quote]<br /><br />Okay, by &quot;I do this once a season&quot; do you mean complaining a lot? Actually 4/5 times I try to argue with you I find that you are unwilling to actually respond to my questions about your ideas and revert to telling me I just don&#039;t understand. This is most likely because you don&#039;t think out your ideas very well, at least not enough for you to articulate them. Your ideas so far by my count are:<br /><br />Get rid of Ralph<br />Get rid of the board (for league voting?)<br />Player voted maps<br />Weekly format changes (4v4 sometimes? 3v3 others?)<br />No franchises<br />No unfair games<br />Less &quot;competitive&quot; league (more flexible less rules)<br />Use SmartCTF<br />Get rid of Demo rule (in favor of what?)<br />Shorter Seasons (4-6 weeks)<br />Weekly map pool selection<br />Get rid of captains<br />Be more inclusive (add players, no invite list)<br />Adjust draft order based on Captain skill? (see SPE in W2010)<br />Flexible scheduling<br />No BYE week<br />Let the board handle server selection<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />The board and Ralphis have a conspiracy going<br />[/quote]<br /><br />What have they done that makes you think this? They tried to save teams that had legitimate problems midseason. The put Nautilus on a team with me and Envy (wow you think that helped us?). Seriously if I hadn&#039;t been traded from that team I might have not played again. It was damn near unbearable. To my knowledge that is all that you&#039;ve mentioned and those are both really retarded examples; baseless and without ramification. Did you want Naut on TMNT? We should have traded. Oh and franchises being political and stuff. Yeah, people like to play with people who are not only good at doom but also people they like. If by political you mean merit based and friendship then yes, politics governs IDL. However I would say that rarely are politics defined as merit based systems or friendship. It&#039;s what happens as a result of those friendships that would or would not be politics, and since no members of the board are on the same team, I will again call your claim baseless.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br />[quote author=Ralphis link=topic=179.msg1585#msg1585 date=1267232320]I&#039;m sure that my situation has likely held the league back in terms of growth as time has passed and I&#039;m sure a bit of selfishness plays into this on my part.[/quote]<br /><br />Just a bit?&nbsp; ;)&nbsp; Hopefully this will not be an issue in the future.[/quote]<br /><br />You&#039;re being a little bit too literal here. Think about whether or not IDL would exist without Ralphis. Then consider how much time and effort he has put in over the years and then after that throw him under the bus like a total jackass. I mean I&#039;m all for having the IDL advertised. I talked to Chain about this before season 5 I think and completely agreed. Don&#039;t mistake me for a Ralphis fan, I&#039;m not. But I really don&#039;t feel right about excluding him seeing as this league exists and has persisted in large part because of him. We&#039;re doing things now to make the league more public, and it&#039;s working without Ralphis being fucked over.&nbsp; Yay league.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br /><br />I don&#039;t think the IDL player base is going anywhere too fast.&nbsp; We have proven to be remarkably resilient.&nbsp; I think we can risk some meaningful changes.&nbsp; Have faith in the player base. [/quote]<br /><br />So either we&#039;re bleeding players and need to kick Ralph and advertise... OR we have a resilient and steady player base and need to do drastic things to keep them. I&#039;m again quite confused.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br /><br />Some people will argue until anyone else gives up.[/quote]<br /><br />You. You are one of these people. If you feel like you&#039;re right you basically just tune out the other sides of the argument. And I&#039;m not faulting you for this. I&#039;m saying you can&#039;t be upset when people who you&#039;re arguing with do the same thing to you. It&#039;s call being headstrong and it&#039;s part of the reason we need a league administration to help reduce this tendency by one or many people. Collaboration is a good thing. Ralph isn&#039;t that hard to work with, it&#039;s just you and he share a temperament.<br /><br />[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=179.msg1606#msg1606 date=1267326736]<br /><br />Also Ladna I know you play politics too because you offered to let me upload a fake demo and I refused your scum bag ass.&nbsp;  8)&nbsp; Yeah but politics are all just conspiracy in my mind, huh? [/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t even know what to say. How is that politics exactly? I mean I really don&#039;t know what that example accomplishes except to call someone out. There wasn&#039;t any politics. It would have been unethical if anything had actually occurred but I wouldn&#039;t have cared. Fast, do you want to league to be more flexible or do you want the rules to dictate? Please get back to me.<br /><br />And after all that, I agree there is no reason to take any of this personally. This whole post was just me trashing Fast&#039;s ideas because I feel like he&#039;s exaggerating things and making some very illogical arguments. I don&#039;t hate Fast, I think he&#039;s good for the league both as a player and with his ideas. The last post was me trashing Chow, but I feel the same about him. I do think they need to be reigned in when they calls shenanigans on one of the fairest most active people in IDL though. Ladna is a saint. Do not impugn his honor!<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1755, 201, 12, 1272396952, 10, 1755, 'Re: Changes', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'I intended on posting a full list of changes once they&#039;re all solidified in following weeks in this forum, but as Mantis posted, rule changes are posted as they occur', 'xx', 1);
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	(1801, 209, 12, 1274032414, 49, 1801, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'Enroll your child in Gunyon&#039;s Doom School 2010!<br /><br />Learn Power Defense!<br />Learn Zone Defense!<br />Learn Power Running!<br />Learn Flag Handling!<br />Learn Fragging Macromanagement!<br />Learn Manners!<br />Learn Discipline! (From guest coach Tai!)<br />Learn how to not grossly underestimate the operating costs of TT and have Ladna ride your ass to the moon!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1621, 179, 11, 1267641955, 160, 1621, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.58', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=179.msg1591#msg1591 date=1267297891]I agree that changing the rules after the fact is gay.&nbsp; It&#039;s stuff like this that the administration tries to avoid, but we don&#039;t always succeed.[/quote]<br /><br />Ditto.<br /><br />[quote]How would you know?&nbsp; You weren&#039;t around when franchising was being discussed, so I assume you&#039;re referring to the results of franchising...[/quote]<br /><br />I wasn&#039;t around but IDL was talked about in many places. I knew franchising was a dumb idea to keep certain people with each other/keep same guys winning. The rule itself defines it.<br /><br />[quote]Haha, I have no class, it is true.&nbsp; On the other hand, why should I punish my team because my opponents can&#039;t get their act together?&nbsp; Why shouldn&#039;t I take advantage of an easy win for my team?&nbsp; In fact, whenever we face a team that can&#039;t get 3 players on, I ask my team what they want to do.&nbsp; I don&#039;t think it&#039;s good policy to force players to do things they don&#039;t want to do, but personally I don&#039;t have a problem with 3v2.&nbsp; I guess I should say that my team has a lot more class than I do, and so far has refused to 3v2 other teams.<br /><br />From a league administration standpoint though, it&#039;s clear that 3v2 isn&#039;t helpful to the league, so we&#039;re most likely going to require that teams get 3 players together.[/quote]<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t want to play a 3v2 (see season one, I actually wanted to rematch T3A game) because its a cheap win and I don&#039;t like getting it that way.<br /><br />I don&#039;t like how a competitive league would allow crippled games like that. If they can reschedule a game again, why not? Most games don&#039;t get played till the ass-half of the week anyways so the super duper late reschedules could go on like say Mon Tues or Wed. If it goes longer than that, then obviously action must be taken.<br /><br />[quote]How?&nbsp; Should we have given them LB instead of letting them trade Collision to free agency for Strangle?...[/quote]<br /><br />Considering LB wasn&#039;t in IDL until he was picked up and Xen had to trade to the FA pool, I think Xen got shafted there having to pick from the pool.<br /><br />[quote]To be honest, I can&#039;t think of anything that the administration does that really requires &quot;spine&quot; so to speak.&nbsp; Maybe enforcement of the rules.&nbsp; I am kind of spineless in that regard, I usually leave the dirty work to Ralphis :) .[/quote]<br /><br />Well I&#039;d like to say the majority of the players here would like some changes but I haven&#039;t heard or seen any board members do anything (except maybe Goatface).<br /><br />I&#039;ve been involved in talk like this has been talked about since the season started with some board reps involved/observing. They&#039;re quite the lazy bunch.<br /><br />[quote]I don&#039;t even know what this means.&nbsp; All of us in the administration helped these teams out to the detriment to our own teams.&nbsp; And are you in favor of fairness, or are you in favor of &quot;buttfuckery&quot; to help teams out?&nbsp; Because if you didn&#039;t want us to help BSK out, then you could easily have not joined.&nbsp; Anyway, the only thing we got in return for our actions was a stronger league and happier players.&nbsp; There were no reacharounds, heh.[/quote]<br /><br />I am in favo(U)r of fairness, totally. Do I think me getting in the league late was fair? Of course not. Do I think picking up players not in the FA pool is fair? Of course not. I understand IDL is in need of players but decisions like those I just listed shouldn&#039;t be considered. I can see where you tried to help, but you should not compromise league rules in doing so either.&nbsp; <br /><br />[quote]On the other hand, I&#039;d like to think that if we address the issues you&#039;ve brought up in some way that you&#039;ll entertain the idea of playing in IDL in the future.[/quote]<br /><br />Sure. I don&#039;t like the way its run more or less which is why I don&#039;t play. If I like the tune of things I&#039;ll hop back in.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8860, 499, 1, 1365552783, 2303, 8860, 'Re: North America Vs Europe', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'It already happened last year on ZD. Don&#039;t you remember?<br /><br />America won obv.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1859, 209, 12, 1274547247, 35, 1859, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'Another obvious key point that nostar missed is sound. Seriously buy yourself a pair of quality headphones(or use the pair from your ipod knockoff) Sound really plays a key role in all aspects of the game but especially on defense. Take map 26 for instance, if you stand near the window closest to the stairs, you can here the opposing team drop down or even hear their spawns in the middle walkway.<br /><br />P.S. I made my bro read your guide Ladna, he said he found it somewhat useful.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1887, 218, 12, 1274821511, 30, 1887, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.185', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=ItalianStallion link=topic=218.msg1876#msg1876 date=1274722384]<br />Just so we&#039;re clear on things, I&#039;m just gonna put this out there and let all captains know.&nbsp; I&#039;m not very well at defending 3v3.&nbsp; I crack under pressure.&nbsp; I can get it done in priv because if some people get through, there&#039;s always players spawning in our base to chase.&nbsp; Look at last season, Rott was our D [and did a hell of a job!].&nbsp; I could do it, I wouldn&#039;t mind.&nbsp; I just don&#039;t think that I should be before other players for my defensive skills.&nbsp; I just shoot people.&nbsp; :P<br />[/quote]<br /><br />omg humbleness ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1942, 224, 12, 1276733291, 147, 1942, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'SPE vs KGB<br /><br />I can see Denny absolutely going nuts this game, and if Mantis and Blair can get the cohesion going then this could get really ugly for the Browns.&nbsp; However, I thought KGB would lose last week and they proved me wrong in 2 rounds.&nbsp; Maybe they can do it again.<br /><br />SPE 5-3, 2-5, 5-0<br /><br />DMR vs BSK<br /><br />FUUUUUUU JEN.&nbsp; But yeah I think DMR needs to control the sphere to score, and BSK doesn&#039;t.&nbsp;  If DMR can control the sphere they have a chance, but man will this one be tough.<br /><br />BSK 5-1, 5-3<br /><br />EBL vs SUC<br /><br />Last week I thought EBL was fairly strong and SUC was actually pretty weak.&nbsp; Whoops.&nbsp; This match is gonna come down to whiteboy vs Ralphis in the battle for the mega.&nbsp; Whoever wins it, wins the match.&nbsp; That being said...<br /><br />Tie. 5-2 SUC, 4-4, 5-4 EBL<br /><br />BBC vs FLS<br /><br />mike and nostar are the best players ever and we don&#039;t stand a chance<br /><br />BBC 5-0, 5-0', 'xx', 1);
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	(2097, 237, 12, 1279042343, 7, 2116, 'Uploading Demos', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 1279246202, 'Ladna', 'Hey everyone.&nbsp; I&#039;ve gone through the Week 4 &amp; 5 threads and uploaded all the demos anyone uploaded there.<br /><br />Here&#039;s a list of the demos we still need for those weeks:<br /><br />[b]Week 4[/b]<br /><br />Week 4&nbsp; 	FLS vs. SUC&nbsp; 	...&nbsp; 	RottKing&nbsp; 	MISSING<br />Week 4 	BSK vs. SPE 	... 	Jenova 	MISSING<br />Week 4 	BSK vs. SPE 	... 	Mantis-X 	MISSING<br />Week 4 	DMR vs. KGB 	... 	Quiksilver 	MISSING<br />Week 4 	BSK vs. SPE 	... 	Beast 	MISSING<br /><br />[b]Week 5[/b]<br /><br />Week 5&nbsp; 	BBC vs. SPE&nbsp; 	...&nbsp; 	Mantis-X&nbsp; 	MISSING<br />Week 5 	FLS vs. DMR 	... 	RussianDumbass 	MISSING<br />Week 5 	FLS vs. DMR 	... 	Climhazzard 	MISSING<br />Week 5 	FLS vs. DMR 	... 	Quiksilver 	MISSING<br />Week 5 	BSK vs. SUC 	... 	Jenova 	MISSING<br />Week 5 	KGB vs. EBL 	... 	Strangle 	MISSING<br />Week 5 	FLS vs. DMR 	... 	Goatface 	MISSING<br />Week 5 	BSK vs. SUC 	... 	RottKing 	MISSING<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />Violations will be enforced for this week, please upload your demos as soon as possible.&nbsp; Thanks everyone.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2014, 228, 12, 1278527419, 131, 2014, 'Re: Week 4 (Jun 28 - Jul 4) : ZDECTF05 (MAP05) - Discussion and Results', 'Gyrossman', 'mistero@seznam.cz', '89.103.39.137', 1, 0, '', 'http://jakub.machata.cz/idl/IDL-S2010-FLSvsSUC-week4-GyrossmanPOV_idl2010h.108.zip', 'xx', 1);
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	(2059, 232, 12, 1278826282, 19, 2059, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Fastidious link=topic=232.msg2056#msg2056 date=1278823208]<br />I don&#039;t hold grudges against anyone<br />[/quote]<br /><br />By your own reasoning for discerning for the &#039;best&#039; players, this disqualifies you from the ranks of the best and as such basically invalidates everything you have to say. Way to sink yourself like &#039;whoa&#039;.<br /><br />btw this is me irl this is how cool i am as the very best<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/100710/1278826347.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2110, 235, 12, 1279123968, 2, 2110, 'Re: Week 6 (Jul 13 - Jul 20) : ZDCTF01 (MAP01) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', '[b]Super Chargers vs Doom Raiders (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />DMR is a done team, better luck next season!<br /><br />SUC 10-0<br /><br />[b]Flag Steelers vs Electric Bills[/b]<br /><br />This week is going to be brutal for FLS.&nbsp; Then again, I don&#039;t really care if they win or lose since we already won the division.&nbsp; EBL is basically team frag now and map01 is a pretty straightforward map.&nbsp; If EBL doesn&#039;t take this game then they blow and will probably lose first round in the playoffs.&nbsp; Whiteboy will probably continue to run since he is so anti defense and really, who needs defense when you have two of the leagues strongest fraggers playing shoot.wad in the middle of map01 against comparatively weaker shots.&nbsp; EBL will pound the middle hard and fast, like Beast and some booty after a pile of bbq.&nbsp; FLS only chance imo is to sacrifice a runner who hides for a minute or so in EBL base and make coordinated pushes to get him in unnoticed and otherwise to play all D between those pushes.&nbsp; If FLS can get some free touches and scores, they might be able to pull a tie out, forcing EBL to relinquish middle control and giving them some more room to run.&nbsp; Usually though, when you say if so many times, it means you already lost!&nbsp; Good luck though, I am pretty sure EBL is going to win every game between now and the Masterbowl.<br /><br />2-0 EBL<br /><br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Killing Browns[/b]<br />:)<br /><br />[b]Berserker Packers vs Spread Eagles[/b]<br /><br />This is going to be the game of the week right here.&nbsp; You have a pretty strong map01 team in the Eagles, all 3 of their players can defend here pretty well which is nice.&nbsp; They might want to swap Beast in for Killingblair to keep the offensive pressure going instead of turning it into a middle fragfest.&nbsp; I really like Mantis on D here so if it was me I would probably put him on D, Blair on chase middle, and Denny on sandwich patrol.&nbsp; The Packers have a pretty versatile lineup here as well.&nbsp; Sabertooth is a pretty great runner and/or defender here and has shown in previous weeks to be quite the sturdy defense man.&nbsp; Stallion obviously needs to be in the middle, he is too slow to play a deep defense or run, but he has a wicked shot and can probably lock middle down by himself against Blair and Denny.&nbsp; Jenova can either run or defend, depends on how he wants to play it.&nbsp; I would probably come into the game a little experimentally and put a few runs on Mantis with Saber and Jenova and see who does better, then relegate the other to defense.&nbsp; It is hard not to favor BSK this week but if SPE really focuses in practice and at game time they will take this game.&nbsp; Plus if SPE wins and we beat KGB, then we take homefield advantage :D<br /><br />P.S.&nbsp; Blair FIX YOUR GODDAMNED SOUND<br /><br />2-1 SPE', 'xx', 1);
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	(3369, 362, 14, 1297121138, 2, 3369, 'Re: W2011 IDL-R Free Agent - Trade History', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.41.134', 1, 0, '', 'Tenchu withdrew from the league; the Hot Wax Bandits picked Fluffles as his replacement.<br />Tourettes Skins trade Fluffles to Free Agency for Treky.<br />Propane withdrew from the league; the Splatterday Saints picked Telo as his replacement.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2199, 243, 12, 1281335558, 69, 2199, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'Goatface', 'roger.banango@gmail.com', '76.178.184.215', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br />Ralphis<br />Hatred<br />Tai<br />Whiteboy<br />Rottking<br /><br />WDC<br />Nostar<br />Mike<br />Russ<br />Sabertooth<br />Stallion', 'xx', 1);
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	(3790, 410, 14, 1300319460, 158, 3790, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.35.202', 1, 0, '', 'Actually Ralph, $10', 'xx', 1);
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	(1617, 179, 11, 1267463723, 30, 1617, 'Re: Politics and stuff', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.185', 1, 1267464664, 'Beast', 'well BSK is BSK because BSK doesn&#039;t practice or give a fuck. In the beginning we did but I had some stuff come up that hasn&#039;t allowed me to dedicate the time needed to perform properly. <br /><br />I can&#039;t elaborate right now because I&#039;m at work and shit but I&#039;d for one like to see the servers expanded. I remember their was these epenis matches about servers and pings back in the day but we should look into using servers in other geographic locations. Now I know ladna is running some 1337 shit on TT for these states and shit, and truthfully I like looking at them I think he does a great job. However just like the actual zdaemon administration the IDL needs to be expanded on the front of new ideas and more resources. This is in no way criticizing the job that is being done I think it&#039;s great.<br /><br />Thing I really like <br /><br />-the skype on Unidoom radio(with call ins)<br />-the draft<br />-the franchising<br />-the comradely<br />-the scouting (which ppl have been frowning upon)&nbsp;  <br />-the competitiveness (so many epic comebacks)<br /><br />Things I want to see:<br />-ppl will hate me for this but man where is map08 and map04 zdctf?<br />I know that we have played the fuck out of these maps and others on zdctf but is that without reason, they are simple but classic<br />-Chaindude has been developing some DX ctf maps that I really enjoy and I think alot of ppl here would like also<br />-ChaosCore (R funded mapping group) has also created a map pack that has a few good maps<br />-I don&#039;t have time now but I&#039;d like to apply to be on the board and help out with some decisions, I&#039;m quite the logical man contrary to popular opinion<br />-4 on 4 and 3 on 3 on a map by map basis would be sweet (example) map01 zdctf your only allowed 3 on 3 but on map08 zdctf you can play 4 on 4 or you rather have to or w/e<br /><br />just ideas <br /><br /><br />almost forgot the live spotlight broadcasting was sweet too<br /><br />what about awards? what type of awards could we make, for instance I noticed that jkist made a statue of himself for the zddl as chmpion could we have a hall of fame with pictures and statues on a doom map playable or not? I think that would be a great reward<br /><br />one more thing<br /><br />the demo uploading, what is being done with them? are they just like insurance just incase we suspect hacking? just curious.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1944, 224, 12, 1276820675, 2, 1944, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', '[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/FlagSteelers-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BrokeBackCowboys-small.png[/img]<br />[color=red][size=3][u][b]THE GAME[/b][/u][/size][/color][/center][center]<br /><br />I laid a trap for ladna, its a human tootsie roll wrapped in toilet paper and lit on fire in his pillow.<br /><br />[i]:)[/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SpreadEagles-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/KillingBrowns-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	This will probably be the funniest game of the week, facing off two teams against their recently departed first drafts in a melodramatic showdown where Shadow_Ghost will certainly end up crying.&nbsp; Josh is expected to show up and bring the hurt on denny revenging his status as second trade of the season.&nbsp; Blair is much less indifferent as he already hated Tai before the trade so we will see if he is inspired to win.<br /><br />	The Eagles lost rather impressively last week against the Super Chargers, which was relatively upsetting since they still did pretty well with a last second trade in for Beast, hopefully Denny uses his brain and benches Beast this week in favor of letting Blair defend for him and starring Beast on map18 vs the Electric Bills.<br /><br />	I don&#039;t think the Killing Browns have much of a chance for a win on this map, unless they practice a lot and work on good coordination.&nbsp; The Eagles probably have every advantage on this map except practice, I figure if they can knock out a few rounds in a server they will be fine.<br /><br />[i]The Eagles take home their first victory of the season in a quick series[/i]<br />[center][b]SPE 2-0 KGB[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/DoomRaiders-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/BerserkerPackers-small.png[/img][/center]<br /><br />	Last week was pretty rough on the Raiders and Packers, both teams got little practice and struggled with the map the entire week it seemed.&nbsp; The Raiders felt sort of like an empty bag that collapsed rapidly in the middle and got crumpled around the sides while the Packers couldn&#039;t beat FLS without LB.<br /><br />	Goat should take some big risks this week and decide who he can and cannot rely on and adjust his team accordingly, something needs to change before the end of the season if he wants to go to playoffs.&nbsp; The Packers on the other hand, mostly just need to practice and be less of lazyasses and they should probably have no problem winning this game.<br /><br />[i]Raiders lose bad and trade for a more productive player, Sabertooth laughs until the player traded is him![/i]<br />[center][b]DMR 0-2 BSK[/b][/center]<br /><br />[center][img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/ElectricBills-small.png[/img] [size=15pt]-vs-[/size] [img]http://xenaero.googlepages.com/SuperChargers-small.png[/img][/center]<br />[center]<br />This will probably be a rather upsetting game, xen is not afraid of losing as seen last week benching whiteboy for tony.&nbsp; Besides that, Ralphis is pretty good on this map and Rottking seems to do well on maps he makes and Gayrossman is better than both of them combined so this game should be a walk in the park.<br /><br />If Xenaero doesn&#039;t bench whiteboy this time around, it could certainly be a tough fight.&nbsp; Xenaero is a pretty strong defender on this map and any time you give whiteboy a charge its asking for trouble.&nbsp; There is some other guy on his team but I can&#039;t remember his name so most likely hes not any good.&nbsp; Oh, the guy is dew, if he lets dew run like crazy chickens and lets whiteboy hoard the sphere there is almost no way EBL can lose because white will frag gyross and ralph 50 times per death of his and dew will probably go 1:1 with rottking and make a ton of breaks.<br /><br />[/center][i]We will see what happens, my guess is the Chargers take the poorly organized and uninspired Bills to town in a shutout[/i]<br />[center][b]SUC 2-0 EBL[/b][/center]<br /><br />woo format thiefz', 'xx', 1);
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	(1626, 182, 11, 1267844984, 22, 1626, 'Week 9 (Mar 1 - Mar 7) : (Map 31) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '67.70.64.159', 1, 1267845140, 'Shadow_Ghost', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 9 of IDL Winter 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 9 - (MAP31 - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 9 - (MAP31 - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 9 - (MAP31 - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 9&nbsp; - (MAP31 - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Berserker Packers vs. Electric Bills<br /><br />Doom Raiders vs. Brokeback Cowboys<br /><br />Killing Browns vs. Super Chargers<br /><br />Spread Eagles vs. Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br /><br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1630, 178, 11, 1268073039, 49, 1630, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', 'Here&#039;s what I got from all of this:<br /><br />[list]<br />[li]Everyone hates the admins cuz they&#039;re nazis[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates the admins cuz they&#039;re not nazis[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates Ralph[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates people they disagree with[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates map selection[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates the bye week[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates the current conference/div setup[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates oda02/the alleged UD &quot;get ur map played&quot; connection[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates everyone, but this doesn&#039;t help the stagnant playerbase[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates KGB&#039;s logo[/li]<br />[li]Everyone hates Mistopher[/li]<br />[/list]<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1802, 208, 1, 1274034382, 10, 1802, 'Re: The Venerables', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'For the record the portly Commish mostly wanted to keep franchising!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1860, 209, 12, 1274548086, 2, 1860, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'fighting unfairly is not sporting and to be avoided at all costs!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1731, 197, 12, 1271832923, 10, 1870, 'Summer 2010 Time Table', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 1274666843, 'Ralphis', '[center]Summer 2010 Time Table<br />[b]SCHEDULE IS TENTATIVE AND SUBJECT TO CHANGE[/b]<br />Last updated: 4/27/2010<br /><br /><br />[b][u]PRE-SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />Saturday, May 8th, 2010<br />Invites are posted;&nbsp; captains are announced.<br /><br />Saturday, May 15th, 2010<br />Free Agency is solidified. All players must confirm by this date. <br /><br />Monday, May 17th, 2010<br />IDL Summer 2010 schedule release.<br /><br />Friday, May 21st, 2010<br />IDL Summer 2010 draft order release.<br /><br />Tuesday, May 25th, 2010<br />IDL Summer 2010 Draft Live! on Unidoom Radio<br /><br />(IDL Pre-Show Panel)<br />9:00PM EST<br />(IDL Summer 2010 Draft Selections)<br />10:00PM EST<br /><br />[b][u]REGULAR SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />Monday, June 7th, 2010<br />Week 1 of Regular Season Begins<br /><br />July 7th (Wednesday of Week 5) 11:59 PM<br />Trading is closed, Rosters are locked for season<br /><br />July 19-22th (Monday-Thursday Week 7)<br />Homefield selection will take place.<br /><br />[b][u]POST-SEASON[/u][/b]<br /><br />August 2-8, 2009<br />IDL Summer 2010 Wildcard Playoffs<br /><br />August 9-15<br />IDL Summer 2010 Conference Championships<br /><br />August 16-22<br />MasterBowl VIII[/center]', 'exclamation', 1);
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	(1943, 222, 12, 1276750007, 37, 1943, 'Re: Week 1 (Jun 7 - Jun 13) ZDECTF2 (MAP29) Speculation', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '68.42.109.61', 1, 0, '', 'week 1 demo: http://www.mediafire.com/?myzotht3igg', 'xx', 1);
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	(2230, 248, 12, 1281716820, 10, 2230, 'Re: Co-MVPs', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', '<br />[center][size=5][b]Ralphis &amp; Nostar - Best Friends Forever[/b][/size][/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3370, 382, 1, 1297129170, 2, 3370, 'Re: Top 5 EGOS', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.41.134', 1, 0, '', 'I am the truth.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3786, 410, 14, 1300318552, 158, 3790, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Jenova', 'cya-nide@hotmail.com', '173.206.35.202', 1, 1300319481, 'nostar', '<br />Help TT keep running, haha. What sort of maintenance does that require? You&#039;re a dipshit and Ladna pretty much does everything. You need donations from Hatred to even keep your servers running which is even sadder, and you pay for an overpriced piece of junk server in Chicago because Jkist is also probably paying you.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4820, 487, 16, 1317400018, 147, 4820, 'Re: IDL SUMMER 2011 ALLSTAR SELECTION', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.209.35.212', 1, 0, '', 'if i was a captain it would&#039;ve. i already used all my forfeits that season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1631, 183, 1, 1268075004, 49, 1631, 'Heroes and Veterans...', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '24.154.81.230', 1, 0, '', '[size=7]T[/size]he platoon started off in a lonely room, with 4 medikits and a shotgun for everyone to share. We were all wary from the previous horrors of the Mars War. &quot;Be careful!&quot; Mid muttered. Mike had decided to do some recon solo; he swiftly maneuvered room to room, eliminating threats therein. All of a sudden he encountered a switch. He was mesmerized at its beauty -- like a hooker in the desert. It was too much for him to bear, he quickly flipped it in a burst of passion, and the lights in the entire base turned off.<br /><br />&quot;Great&quot; I declared. &quot;Lmao&quot; Mike cried, in a burst of madness. He had jeopardized the entire mission with one flip of a switch, and he was loving every second of it. Meanwhile, RottKing, despite finding the red key, was quickly cut down in front of the red door by a cyberdemon shooting blindly. Before exhaling his last breath, he whispered &quot;Be careful around the red door fuckin&#039; faggots.&quot; He was gone...<br /><br />Hatred, the firecracker of the group, quickly rose to the occasion and was slaying all that was evil. He could do no wrong, until he shot a rocket at me which blasted me in the way of a cyberdemon. Despite the pure agony of causing my death, he was able to find the base self-destruct button in the middle of complete darkness, and end the suffering of the Mars War...', 'xx', 1);
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	(1756, 201, 12, 1272405486, 147, 1756, 'Re: Changes', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'The worst non-franchise', 'xx', 1);
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	(1643, 184, 11, 1268423428, 16, 1643, 'Wildcard Playoff Week (Mar 8 - Mar 14) - Discussion and Results', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '149.152.191.3', 1, 0, '', '[center][b][size=5]Official Servers for Wildcard Playoff Week of IDL Winter 2010[/size][/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs - (MAP01 - IDC A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs - (MAP28 - WDC A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs - (Map28 - IDC B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs&nbsp; - (MAP01 - WDC B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br />[b]<br />Killing Browns vs Doom Raiders<br /><br />Flag Steelers vs Brokeback Cowboys<br />[/b]<br />=======================================================[/center]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1641, 185, 11, 1268347790, 30, 1641, 'Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'Beast', 'kjolly@uwm.edu', '129.89.125.185', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Beast link=topic=179.msg1617#msg1617 date=1267463723]<br />well BSK is BSK because BSK doesn&#039;t practice or give a fuck. In the beginning we did but I had some stuff come up that hasn&#039;t allowed me to dedicate the time needed to perform properly. <br /><br />I can&#039;t elaborate right now because I&#039;m at work and shit but I&#039;d for one like to see the servers expanded. I remember their was these epenis matches about servers and pings back in the day but we should look into using servers in other geographic locations. Now I know ladna is running some 1337 shit on TT for these states and shit, and truthfully I like looking at them I think he does a great job. However just like the actual zdaemon administration the IDL needs to be expanded on the front of new ideas and more resources. This is in no way criticizing the job that is being done I think it&#039;s great.<br /><br />Thing I really like <br /><br />-the skype on Unidoom radio(with call ins)<br />-the draft<br />-the franchising<br />This is a toss up I like it for the fact that you can build powerful teams that you like, but at the same time this might leave others with slim pickings and the triple threat is that &#039;(doesn&#039;t the player being frenchised have to agree to it?) just sayen<br />-the comradely<br />-the scouting (which ppl have been frowning upon)&nbsp;  <br />-the competitiveness (so many epic comebacks)<br /><br />Things I want to see:<br />-ppl will hate me for this but man where is map08 and map04 zdctf?<br />I know that we have played the fuck out of these maps and others on zdctf but is that without reason, they are simple but classic<br />-Chaindude has been developing some DX ctf maps that I really enjoy and I think alot of ppl here would like also<br />-ChaosCore (R funded mapping group) has also created a map pack that has a few good maps<br />-I don&#039;t have time now but I&#039;d like to apply to be on the board and help out with some decisions, I&#039;m quite the logical man contrary to popular opinion<br />-4 on 4 and 3 on 3 on a map by map basis would be sweet (example) map01 zdctf your only allowed 3 on 3 but on map08 zdctf you can play 4 on 4 or you rather have to or w/e<br /><br />just ideas <br /><br /><br />almost forgot the live spotlight broadcasting was sweet too<br /><br />what about awards? what type of awards could we make, for instance I noticed that jkist made a statue of himself for the zddl as chmpion could we have a hall of fame with pictures and statues on a doom map playable or not? I think that would be a great reward<br /><br />one more thing<br /><br />the demo uploading, what is being done with them? are they just like insurance just incase we suspect hacking? just curious.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=178.msg1568#msg1568 date=1267161340]<br />A diminishing player pool, as Ralph has pointed out, isn&#039;t the best way to describe it. It&#039;s a stagnant pool if anything. We have a couple shakeups here and there but the last few seasons we&#039;ve had roughly the same amount of players. I do agree that we need more people and that one way to get people to play in IDL is to invite them to play in priv. I personally play priv because it&#039;s organized, not necessarily for the talent of the players. New players don&#039;t bother me so much as jerks who aren&#039;t any good (regardless of their tenure). For instance, I trash Beast for not being any good too and he&#039;s been around longer than me. Of the people I trash, Mistopher comes to mind as the most egregious and he&#039;s a complete douchebag without any redeeming value.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />You know what the funny thing is, I can complement you on your performance on certain maps like the something epic 2 remake pretty nice.<br /><br />As mentioned before I think your defense is highly overrated and can be easily exploited by not having top offensive players or support players backing you up. Spamming entrances and flag pedestals only goes so far. Not to mention the constant spamming of &#039;help me I suck at D&#039; in big red bubble letters. <br /><br /> However lets take a look at BSK&#039;s performance and the contributing factors and see just how awful this team was. Lets see , no practice, Shakal plays with no doom sound, just show up for game time. So with these facts how in the hell is BSK even competing? Shouldn&#039;t they just be getting smashed? Yeah they lost games and had ties but I mean damn the games were close. I wonder what would happen if they practiced and Shakal had sound. If I was playing against a team that never practiced and the defensive player had no sound I would be embarrassed to lose or tie them and or barely beat them. I even saw a game Shakal vs 2 or something and he scored...I thought that was funny. Just sayen...<br /><br />enough of that non-productive bullshit, and on to this server debate<br />seriously? Its not that serious as previously stated let the teams agree on the server ahead of time and put it on the schedule. At the same time the 3 v 3 and 4 v 4 should be decided, and for the love of non-essential jibber jabber bullshit quit inflating these post with fluff that doesn&#039;t mean shit. Get to the point and be clear about it.<br /><br />Two things : Yes if its not broke don&#039;t try to fix it, if we got something that is solid and works great keep doing it. <br /><br />second, this world changes and in the great words of DUI mofo&#039;s need to adapt and overcome. You can&#039;t just sit here and be stagnant once new technology and better practices come into play. If I did that I wouldn&#039;t have a job. What I&#039;m saying is thank you IDL administration for your hard work but its time for a change management submittal and an upgrade. Lets not let this great thing started by Ralphis my dear friend and fellow (fag) 8) (j/k)&nbsp; end up like the clan section of the zdaemon forums. Also ladna I need to talk to you about a project I got last summer from Kilgore, I&#039;ll IM u when I get a chance.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1653, 152, 3, 1268720271, 163, 1653, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'Mikehail I don&#039;t have time for your chickenshit bullshit. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1803, 209, 12, 1274035096, 10, 1803, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'Ralphis - 3 MB appearances with 3 entirely different teams. 2 Wins.<br /><br />Nostar - 3 MB appearances with 3 wins.<br /><br />Ladna - ???', 'xx', 1);
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	(1861, 209, 12, 1274554411, 35, 1861, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Whiteboy567', 'whiteboy567@msn.com', '99.224.57.138', 1, 0, '', 'press the use key to spawn at any given time', 'xx', 1);
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	(2117, 235, 12, 1279252231, 2, 2117, 'Re: Week 6 (Jul 13 - Jul 20) : ZDCTF01 (MAP01) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.36.4', 1, 0, '', 'GGs KGB, really close games, maybe we will see you guys in the masterbowl1?!&nbsp; :D<br /><br />[URL=http://img641.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100715192109.png/][IMG]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/3900/ctf20100715192109.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img708.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100715193131.png/][IMG]http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/2347/ctf20100715193131.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img821.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100715194149.png/][IMG]http://img821.imageshack.us/img821/3885/ctf20100715194149.png[/img][/URL]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1888, 218, 12, 1274832568, 19, 1888, 'Re: Summer 2010 Draft Discussion', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 1274834928, 'Xenaero', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=218.msg1881#msg1881 date=1274741662]<br />I can get it done in priv because I&#039;m not Xen and have no flaws.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I refute everything you say and counter with garlic, you vampiric swine.<br /><br />Nah but really.<br /><br />[quote author=nostar link=topic=218.msg1881#msg1881 date=1274741662]I just beat people. :P[/quote]<br /><br />[url=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/250510/1274833325.png]You really do![/url]<br /><br />Oh wait, that doesn&#039;t show the full game, it&#039;s possible I could have pulled ahead and not actually been the MVP.<br /><br />[url=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/250510/1274833284.png]Had a pretty good start[/url]...<br />[url=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/250510/1274833293.png]Ah, momentum is building! Thanks to LB for that flag, what a stellar runner that game. Oh and Nostar for helping.[/url]<br />[url=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/250510/1274833313.png]And here I am doing double your points.[/url] You probably could have stepped it up but I got your back buddy. It&#039;s what I do. Sure we lost a couple flags but hey LB more than offset that one.<br /><br />[quote author=Priv logs]Nostar: xen plans to maintain his atrocious losing streak by not practicing[/quote]<br /><br />Honestly, do I need to when I got you? Just so we&#039;re clear on things, I&#039;m just gonna put this out there and let all players know. I&#039;m not very well at running 3v3. I crack under pressure. I can&#039;t get it done in priv because I have to protect my flag from both the enemy and nostar&#039;s rocket defense.&nbsp; Look at every season, where time after time I had to stop runners to the best of my ability, even if my whole team wasn&#039;t present. I could do it, I just don&#039;t think that other players can match my veterancy in the defensive field. I just am the best.<br /><br />p.s. Thank [url=http://www.upload3r.com/serve/250510/1274833614.png]Nostar[/url] for these screenshots, it was his words that inspired me to take them in the first place to show how flawless he is in comparison to myself. Nah, seriously, I dunno why the guy runs his mouth so much, I didn&#039;t do nothin to him, just provin every time that I&#039;m great.<br /><br />Also a bonus for my fans!<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/250510/1274833631.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2177, 246, 1, 1281172113, 3, 2177, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'It was a good run, and I&#039;m glad you&#039;re keeping the most important servers up. Thanks for the quality servers, and thanks to those who keep IDL active, without them ZDaemon wouldn&#039;t have remained nearly as interesting and competitive. I&#039;d also like to thank you guys for hosting my map, despite no one ever playing it. You guys did a great job on your public run.', 'xx', 1);
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	(5768, 552, 17, 1324623817, 7, 5768, 'Re: Montreal Server', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '65.214.200.140', 1, 0, '', 'I have a couple of points, but I wanted to start off by saying<br /><br />[center][b][size=7]THANK YOU[/size][/b][/center]<br /><br />Good lord thank you.&nbsp; We deeply appreciate players and community members willing to volunteer their money &amp; expertise by hosting servers for us.<br /><br />[hr]<br /><br />[size=5][b]Stability[/b][/size]<br /><br />I groan so loudly when I hear this.&nbsp; TT has hosted IDL for [b][u]YEARS[/u][/b].&nbsp; Montreal has hosted a handful of PCTF games.&nbsp; You really can&#039;t compare stability at all until more games are played.&nbsp; &quot;Oh I connected and didn&#039;t spawn into a wall, woo&quot;.&nbsp; I&#039;ve personally had connection problems on Montreal, and I know a ton of other players have too.&nbsp; It turns out ZDaemon is just a piece of shit, and the Internet is a cruel, harsh wasteland that devours packets like LB devours dollars coated in chocolate syrup and stripper juice.<br /><br />[size=5][b]Placebo Effect[/b][/size]<br /><br />I&#039;m actually willing to bet one... [b]MILLION[/b] dollars that there is a huge placebo effect and confirmation bias happening with regard to Montreal&#039;s connection quality for two reasons:<br /><br />[size=4][b]You need a double-blind study[/b][/size]<br /><br />The only way to compensate for confirmation bias and placebo effect is to conduct a double-blind study.&nbsp; This is how real trials are run.&nbsp; No one will do this, therefore no one will ever prove me wrong.<br /><br />[size=4][b]This is pretty much the definition of confirmation bias[/b][/size]<br /><br />&quot;God I hate TT, any server would be better.&nbsp; Oh look another server.&nbsp; Hey, this is better!&quot;<br /><br />::)<br /><br />[size=5][b]Real-World Results vs. Geographic Parity[/b][/size]<br /><br />It&#039;s extremely easy to game &quot;real-world results&quot;.&nbsp; I don&#039;t deny that for some players it&#039;s easy to guess what their best server will be:<br /><br />&nbsp; - mikehail: hates east coast servers<br />&nbsp; - xenaero: gets raped by TT sometimes<br />&nbsp; - mantis-x: whines about TT whenever he gets a chance<br />&nbsp; - euros: hate TT (and freedom)<br /><br />But what about MassVC?&nbsp; What about Prime?&nbsp; What about Reckless, Doomguy, Rust, Saber, Blair, Dev, Gilga, Oath, X-Ray, Dr_Noob, Armour, Climhazzard, Shakal, Higgs, Junior, Xyltol, Killforce and Legion?&nbsp; These are all top-3 players, and I don&#039;t even know where half of them live, let alone what their connection quality to TT and Montreal are like.&nbsp; I certainly am not going to Sherlock Holmes their connections to try and guess when they are torrenting and when they aren&#039;t, and I don&#039;t believe that a board that can&#039;t even fill mike&#039;s board seat this century will do it either.<br /><br />So while I agree in principle (that figuring out where people live and making a map sucks) I don&#039;t see a different workable solution.&nbsp; The current system of &quot;please host servers for IDL&quot; and &quot;if both captains agree they may use a non-default server&quot; is really as well as we can do.<br /><br />[size=5][b]Shenanigans[/b][/size]<br /><br />I know this isn&#039;t really an issue, but I wanted to say this as a PSA.<br /><br />IDL has seen a lot of new faces over the last couple of seasons, and these new players have been privileged to play in the era of [b][u]NO SERVER DISPUTES EVER[/u][/b] (along with other huge improvements made to IDL since Season I - IDL is ever evolving for the better).&nbsp; So it may seem silly that teams can&#039;t choose to use a different server if a player&#039;s lagging out, or that there has to be a default server, but this is to prevent one team from jewing another team.&nbsp; Imagine:<br /><br />&quot;&lt;RussianDumbass&gt; hey Nostar, I know we agreed to play on TT, but I am pinging *** to it.&nbsp; Let&#039;s play on Montreal&quot;<br /><br />TurSKA is fucked less on Montreal, so this is something Rus could do to try and force the game to be played there, and it&#039;s precisely why IDL has no &quot;fallback if a player is pinging&quot; rule.<br /><br />These things are in the interest of fairness, and they go a long way towards protecting teams and ensuring that IDL maintains its competitive credibility.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3791, 410, 14, 1300319922, 89, 3791, 'Re: Free wins....', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '98.199.179.106', 1, 1300320030, 'Solar_Flare', 'Then explain why you weren&#039;t in the IDL channel, you did explain everything else but that.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(6624, 641, 18, 1333385516, 216, 6624, 'Re: Winter 2012 MasterBowl Champions: SGS', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '130.63.214.111', 1, 0, '', 'GG to SGS, and thanks to all the BBC members throughout the season for making a season that should&#039;ve been a drag quite enjoyable! :)<br /><br />GL to everyone in their next season ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8683, 857, 17, 1363103667, 2303, 8683, 'Re: The Downfall of IDL?', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.239.182.148', 1, 0, '', 'Someone should ask the players who have decided to not play Odamex what they want, and consider giving them it if it helps bring back more skillful players.<br /><br />A list of what people want might show who we could get back and who is not worth getting back based on what they ask.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1637, 178, 11, 1268238165, 19, 1637, 'Re: Real Talk: IDL Edition [Split from Week7 Playoff Picture]', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.247.158', 1, 0, '', 'Just letting Fast know.<br /><br />[quote]-Multiple servers selection teams/players submit their average pings at the start of the season and these are used in general for selection.&nbsp; Only in cases where there is a drop in connection quality to a certain server would they be ignored.&nbsp; Teams should not be arguing or jumping back and forth between servers.&nbsp; When the schedule is set the server should be select as well.[/quote]<br /><br />Literally the worst idea I have ever heard regarding rule suggestions pertaining to competitive play.<br /><br />Which Ladna said in many more words. And I hate him for.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1757, 199, 12, 1272426524, 74, 1757, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Acolyte', 'dty_15@hotmail.com', '76.208.15.180', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Acolyte<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: dty_15@hotmail.com<br />Instant Message Contact: IRC<br />Regular Availability:Most week evenings, weekends not so much due to work. But it changes every week.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1804, 208, 1, 1274035206, 2, 1804, 'Re: The Venerables', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'don&#039;t forget balding!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1642, 185, 11, 1268373687, 130, 1642, 'Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Blah Blah Blah, my defense is good enough. Regardless of what you think about my criticism of you, I feel like you could be a good player if you ever actually played. And BSK did fucking awful this season with a record on par with EBL and DMR. I really wish Chow was a more dedicated player, he and Shakal could have not only won their conference, but probably the Masterbowl if they stuck to it. Rose being lost in England was tragic, and unfortunately you&#039;re not a good enough replacement for them to have taken the season. Then again what-ifs are sad things to dwell in, the reality is that you didn&#039;t play much this season (or last) (or last) and that is because you&#039;re underneath the par. I do think you&#039;re good for the community though. You have ideas and you try to articulate them. You also tend to keep newer players active through R [s]funded[/s] related activities. So keep it up!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1836, 208, 1, 1274335048, 22, 1836, 'Re: The Venerables', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '69.156.28.188', 1, 0, '', 'Its jenova', 'xx', 1);
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	(1862, 209, 12, 1274556522, 19, 1862, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=209.msg1856#msg1856 date=1274509607]<br />I&#039;ll be honest, I&#039;ve seen some smart guys D and have little success. And I&#039;ve see some of the best shots D and have little success. I&#039;m pretty good at D so I&#039;ll tell you what I think makes a difference.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[b][i]Could you speak up and stop the mumbling<br />I don&#039;t think you&#039;re getting clear.<br />Sitting on the top, it&#039;s hard to hear you from way up here.<br />I saw you tryin&#039; to act cute on tv just let me clear the air.<br />We missed you on the charts last week<br />Damn that&#039;s right, you wasn&#039;t there.[/i][/b]<br />[img]http://thefastertimes.com/nonsensenews/files/2009/11/justin_timberlake.jpg[/img]<br /><br />You&#039;re garbage on Defense, so I have no clue why you think you&#039;re any good when you just let your team do all the work for you. I&#039;ll share some of my genius to help dudes understand the principles of Defense, which is typically where you should start. Let me point out why this is, how this fits into the dynamics of Defensive players in a 3v3 format, and what anyone looking for pointers on Defense should do, and [b]why[/b] they should do them. This requires a fresh look at CTF and the [b]team dynamics[/b], so bear with me here. There&#039;s a good few posts here that outline Defense pretty well so I&#039;m gonna try not to repeat what others have said too much.<br /><br />======================<br /><br />[color=red][size=5][b]The Wall-In Effect[/b][/size][/color]<br /><br />Now I just accused the faaaabulous nostar of letting his teammates do all the work for him. You might ask, [i]&quot;How would his teammates do all the work for him if he&#039;s on defense, and typically they&#039;re playing other, more offensive positions?&quot;[/i] It&#039;s an excellent question. The reason for this is that if the offense is strong enough, and manages to perpetually stop the opposing team&#039;s runners at the middle or, even worse competitively, their own base, the defense will not see a great amount of action inside their base. This is what I call the Wall-In Effect. The entire enemy team has fallen back to their own base in an effort to purge [b]your[/b] team so their defensive line is secured and they basically don&#039;t get spawnfragged out the ass while someone like mikehail runs flag after flag.<br /><br />In this position, the player in charge of Defense would typically move up to the middle to provide a much closer area of support to the teammates playing a more offensive role, yet still playing Defense. What you should [b]not[/b] do in this position is continue to push up [b]into[/b] the enemy&#039;s base or in range of their spawns. What you typically want is to stay in a zone of control to where you can see any stragglers that take advantage of the chaos to make a quick get-away with your flag, thereby slipping past you and touching your flag. This is another key focal point of playing defense. [b]Awareness[/b], which will be covered more in a bit.<br /><br />But...What about if [b]your[/b] team is the one being pinned in?<br /><br />======================<br /><br />[color=blue][size=5][b]D&amp;O Railroad[/b][/size][/color]<br /><br />There are two [b]primary[/b] (key word, as there are many secondary roles in CTF) separations of players in the league. Defensive players and Offensive players. Offensive players either cuss the hell out of the enemy (wholly ineffective) or, if they aren&#039;t Bloodstrike, they run flags / support the runner.<br /><br />It&#039;s supporting the runner that we&#039;ll be focusing on. What [b]is[/b] supporting the runner? First, one must understand the definition of Support.<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/220510/1274551322.png[/img]<br /><br />Pay close attention to 9. 9 is what you&#039;ll be doing as a Support player. Support players typically play in a region of the map that benefits [b]both[/b] primary groups of players (Defense &amp; Offense), some players call them &#039;mid&#039; or &#039;middle&#039; players but really that&#039;s not a fair definition, since being a versatile Support player requires you not to be anchored to one place at any time.<br /><br />Now, if you ask &quot;How does this relate to Defense in any way?!&quot;, I&#039;m about to tell you. Support players not only occasionally drop back to a momentary Defensive role if the Defender is in a heap of trouble (for any multitude of reasons), but they also are the front line [b]defense[/b] against the opposing team&#039;s runners!<br /><br />Picture this. One Defensive player each team. Two runners on the opposite team, while you have one runner and one Support player. Support runs to the middle with the Offense in the first &#039;wave&#039; (more on waves&#039; importance later) except unlike Offense, he&#039;s gunning explicitly for enemy players. He meets the two runners, manages to either heavily damage both or frag one of them before dying himself. What does this leave you? Support spawns back in your base but probably not in time to finish the job. The point is, your runner is going toe to toe with the enemy&#039;s Defense while [b]you[/b] have an advantage due to the weakened Offense of the opposing team!<br /><br />Support is incredibly underrated and I rarely see players credit them, and never as often as the runner gets credit. The principle of a CTF team is that the entire team is at fault if you are losing. [b]Every[/b] player helps the other out in some way, and if they aren&#039;t, that drags your team&#039;s chances down [b]dramatically[/b].<br /><br />Think about this. If the Offense is doing well, that either means they will sacrifice O for D, making your job easier and able to more effectively control the map, or send a balls-to-the-wall counter-push with a strong O force, sacrificing their D, making your runner&#039;s job easier, but your job harder. Using your base&#039;s layout to your advantage and communicating properly to your Support player it shouldn&#039;t be an issue.<br /><br />Every shift in the opponent&#039;s play is a shift in yours, and one to be taken advantage of, especially if your team is the one that&#039;s forcing the shifts. Note that word, &quot;communicating&quot;. Defensive players [b]have[/b] to communicate with the rest of their team to be successful. Again, the team all has to work together, and you&#039;re an integral part of that.<br /><br />======================<br /><br />[color=green][size=5][b]Pins and Needles[/b][/size][/color]<br /><br />In the first part I asked what would you do if your team was the one getting pinned inside their own base? As Defense, the weight falls largely to you, since this is [b]your[/b] forte. Clearing out the base can be easier said than done, but it can be done. I&#039;ll give you some tips on how to go about clearing it easily, although a good deal of it depends on the maps&#039; spawns, your teammates actions and your own judgment, which is practiced, not learned.<br /><br />[b]1.[/b] [i]How many are there?[/i] Very important. Approach killing them with a step system in your head, with # of steps based off # of opponents in your base.<br /><br />[b]2.[/b] [i]Can I kill the runner?[/i] The undoubtedly second step you should take is looking for the enemy team&#039;s main flag runner inside your base. Killing him is vital because he&#039;s the strongest player to you right now. With his teammates holding you down, he would be in a position to run your flag. Kill him first.<br /><br />[b]3.[/b] [i]Sweep the rest[/i]. Self-descriptive. You want to get rid of the rest of them ASAP now that the main threat to your team is down. Focus on one, then the other, don&#039;t try to keep track of both else you&#039;ll probably delay the purging further, and the runner will be right back in your base.<br /><br />[b]4.[/b] [i]Push up![/i] Chances are once their push is eliminated, they&#039;ll be busy collecting weapons/armor and as a result, not launching a jointed attack like they did before. This give you a chance to catch your breath and re-settle into your groove as a unit. Watch your Support and Offense to see what they&#039;re doing and adapt accordingly. Defense is not a static role.<br /><br />======================<br /><br />[color=Purple][size=5][b]Awareness[/b][/size][/color] (most important part)<br /><br />So most of the other focal points of a decent defending player and the logic behind them is covered, now this is what you need to practice a lot in (besides aiming, like nostar already pretty much covered).<br /><br />What constitutes awareness on Defense? Three things: Sound, Visual, Mind. You can call it SVM if you want, but it&#039;s kind of lame so don&#039;t really.<br /><br />Why is sound so important? If you need this answered you prolly shouldn&#039;t be playing in IDL. Using sound you can gauge distance, direction, and status. So if you don&#039;t have a good pair of speakers, get some headphones. Sound can mean a multitude of things. Spawns, hit points of an opposing runner, where runners are coming from, and even more. You&#039;re going to need to [b]think[/b] about the sounds as much as hear them in the first place, which loops it into using your head.<br /><br />At the same time, you&#039;re going to want to pay attention to the actual visual display in front of you, all the while doing little calculations in your head. One specific concept where all three of these focal points of awareness come into play is [b]waves[/b].<br /><br />Waves are what I like to call the time period between the death of a runner in your base, and that same runner respawning, the time between his respawning and his appearing in your base. these are waves, and if you play a map (READ: PRACTICE) enough you&#039;ll be able to tentatively time in your head when you&#039;d expect runners and their support players to appear on your screen.<br /><br />What the bottom line here is for you, is that you basically need to take all the posts here with a grain of salt, find the information you feel helps you, and most importantly, take that into [b]practice[/b]. Practice is what you pretty much need to do constantly if you want to be a good D player.<br /><br />I&#039;d say Defense is the hardest position to play, since a lot of the team dynamics and even the success of the Offense depends on it. A great thought to have about practice is that you&#039;re practicing for when, not if, your middle/support fails and you have to push back every player from the opposing team from your flag.<br /><br />The difference between losing and winning depends on a lot of learned-through-experience factors, but it&#039;s really all about you and your team. But you know, if your team loses be sure to expect everyone to blame you. That&#039;s the Xen Effect.<br /><br />Peace out and screw Fast for making me take time outta my great day to write this.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1945, 224, 12, 1276829996, 2, 1945, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 0, '', 'christ!&nbsp; best game of the year by yours truly, fls and bbc!<br /><br />[URL=http://img295.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100617191111.png/][IMG]http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/5756/ctf20100617191111.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img42.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100617192133.png/][IMG]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/5805/ctf20100617192133.png[/img][/URL]<br />[URL=http://img641.imageshack.us/i/ctf20100617192924.png/][IMG]http://img641.imageshack.us/img641/6125/ctf20100617192924.png[/img][/URL]<br /><br />More last second saves than hairs on ralphs head, I would highly recommend watching this demo once its up.', 'xx', 1);
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	(2118, 226, 12, 1279441907, 37, 2118, 'Re: IDEA: Tiebreaker Rule Change', 'Tony', 'red.doomer@gmail.com', '98.250.61.200', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Killingblair link=topic=226.msg2112#msg2112 date=1279150622]<br />LIVIN ON A PRAYER<br />[/quote]<br />TAKE MY HAND AND WELL MAKE IT I SWEAR', 'xx', 1);
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	(2140, 240, 12, 1280446550, 89, 2140, 'Re: Week 8 (Jul 26 - Aug 1) : 32in24-4 MAP31 (MAP31) - Discussion and Results', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '65.71.125.36', 1, 0, '', '[size=5]Brokeback Cowboys vs Flag Steelers [/size]<br /><br />lb sucks, he will probably try to run against nostar&#039;s d and will fail.<br /><br />bbc 10 - 6 fls<br /><br />[size=5]Super Chargers vs Killing Browns[/size]<br /><br />were gonna win so it doesnt matter <br /><br />kgb 10 - 0 suc<br /><br />[size=5]Spread Eagles vs Doom Raiders[/size]<br /><br />denny will roll over the competition<br /><br />spe 10 - 1 dmr<br /><br />[size=5]Berserker Packers vs Electric Bills[/size]<br /><br />jens gay skulltag heritage will be too much for ebl<br /><br />bsk 8 - 4 ebl', 'xx', 1);
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	(2178, 246, 1, 1281175560, 202, 2178, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'unknown', 'vratajin@hotmail.com', '88.86.124.0', 1, 0, '', '[url=http://www.gliffy.com/publish/2197333/]We can still dream, right ?[/url]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2197, 246, 1, 1281322898, 10, 2197, 'Re: TotalTrash will no longer host public servers', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '173.161.199.242', 1, 0, '', 'Good posts so far, it&#039;s nice to see everyone airing it out like they&#039;re Tom Brady.<br /><br />I don&#039;t really have a whole lot to say that I haven&#039;t already said or that Ladna hasn&#039;t covered in his work-in-progress dissertation on Zdaemon', 'xx', 1);
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	(3513, 385, 1, 1297683377, 49, 3513, 'Re: Introduction', 'Killingblair', 'blair.cahue@gmail.com', '216.164.140.107', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Joshsmith link=topic=385.msg3401#msg3401 date=1297647305]<br />[img]http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/301/goatdunk.gif[/img]<br />[/quote]', 'xx', 1);
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	(3614, 399, 14, 1299086455, 163, 3614, 'Season Finale - Week 9 ZDCTFMap08 (Map08) - Discussion and Results', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '99.67.243.70', 1, 1299087199, 'Hatred', '[center]<br />[b][size=5]Official Servers for Week 9 of IDL Winter 2011[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 9 - MAP08 - A][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11022[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 9 - MAP08 - B][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11023[/b]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Week 9 - MAP08 - C][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11024[/b]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Week 9 - MAP08 - D][/color]<br />[b]66.225.231.106:11025[/b]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />[b]Electric Bills vs Killing Browns (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />[b]DooM Raiders vs Super Chargers (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />[b]Sexual Panthers vs Demonic Colts[/b]<br /><br />[b]Spread Eagles vs Berserker Packers (DIV)[/b]<br /><br />[b]Techno Vikings vs Fnordy Niners[/b]<br /><br />[b]Brokeback Cowboys vs Flag Steelers[/b]<br /><br /><br />=======================================================[/center]<br /><br />Season Finale Play-off Scenarios for each team:<br /><br />[b]International DooM Conference[/b]<br /><br />Electric Bills: Clinched berth.<br />Still in contention for division with some help. <br />Must win this week and have TKV lose. Can still obtain 3# seed without any help. <br /><br />Killing Browns: Clinched berth.<br />Control their own destiny, win and they&#039;re division champs. <br /><br />Techno Vikings: Have not clinched.<br />Win and they&#039;re in. It&#039;s a bit complicated with them and DMR. If TKV losses and DMR wins, DMR will clinch #4 seed unless EBL losses, giving TKV #3 seed and EBL #4 seed. I believe that&#039;s how it is, correct me if I&#039;m wrong please. However, with a win and a KGB loss, TKV clinches division and #2 seed.<br /><br />Super Chargers:<br />Clinched Division, clinched #1 seed.<br /><br />DooM Raiders: Have not clinched. <br />Need TKV to lose and EBL to win in order to clinch #4 seed. <br />(once again, if I&#039;m incorrect about this, please edit this post!)<br /><br />Demonic Colts: Eliminated from contention. <br /><br />[b]World DooM Conference[/b]<br /><br />Berserker Packers: Clinched Division.<br />Control their own destiny to clinch #1 seed with a win but can fall no lower than the #2 seed. If they lose and BBC wins, BBC clinches #1 seed.<br /><br />Sexual Panthers: Have not clinched. Win and they&#039;re in for the #4 seed.<br /><br />Spread Eagles: Have not clinched.<br />Need an SXP loss as well as a win to clinch #4 seed.<br /><br />Brokeback Cowboys: Clinched division.<br />They&#039;ve clinched at least a #2 seed and with a win and BSK loss, they clinch #1 seed. <br /><br />Fnordy Niners: Clinched berth.<br />Clinched #3 seed and are locked in for it.<br /><br />Flag Steelers: Eliminated from contention. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(4195, 446, 16, 1308689276, 7, 4195, 'Re: IDL.org Outage', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.4', 1, 0, '', '1. CentOS, it&#039;s yum not apt-get<br />2. supervisor (or any other cool shit like daemontools or runit) isn&#039;t available in the normal repos, you have to use other ones, and searching on the internet for 5 seconds will tell you that if there&#039;s anyway to 100% destroy a CentOS machine, it&#039;s by using unofficial repos.&nbsp; I know this because I&#039;ve done it several times, including this last go-around.<br /><br />In summary, I hate CentOS (and by extension, RHEL) so much.&nbsp; Really any other non-RPM distro beats the shit out of it.<br /><br />You&#039;re right though, I should add something in /etc/rc.initd or whatever bastardized thing it is.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1644, 185, 11, 1268493957, 160, 1644, 'Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'cha0tix', 'swallowing_cum@homosexual.net', '68.58.102.58', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=178.msg1642#msg1642 date=1268373687]<br />Blah Blah Blah, my defense is good enough. Regardless of what you think about my criticism of you, I feel like you could be a good player if you ever actually played. And BSK did fucking awful this season with a record on par with EBL and DMR. I really wish Chow was a more dedicated player, he and Shakal could have not only won their conference, but probably the Masterbowl if they stuck to it. Rose being lost in England was tragic, and unfortunately you&#039;re not a good enough replacement for them to have taken the season. Then again what-ifs are sad things to dwell in, the reality is that you didn&#039;t play much this season (or last) (or last) and that is because you&#039;re underneath the par. I do think you&#039;re good for the community though. You have ideas and you try to articulate them. You also tend to keep newer players active through R [s]funded[/s] related activities. So keep it up!<br />[/quote]<br /><br />Blah Blah Blah, Beast is good enough. Regardless of what you think about Beast from the criticism you give him, he would be more of a [b]great player[/b] if he played more. And BSK did good this season until we got plagued with real life things. Chow was a dedicated player until the bye week, Shakal and I would have [i]easily[/i] won the conference and perhaps the Masterbowl. Rose had things to take care of atop of Win7 so her leaving wasn&#039;t tragic, and fortunately Beast is a good enough replacement for us to have taken this season. Then again Nostar has no other life than to dwell on the life and status of other teams/players and the reality is Beast would be a great player if people found the place he fits in and he would get much more play because he is definitely above the par. I think Beast is awesome for the inflated penguin community atop of our own. Nostar has no real helpful ideas (truth.com) and doesn&#039;t bother looking for newer players so he&#039;s less helpful to this place than Beast and his R funded activities.<br /><br /><br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1649, 185, 11, 1268593171, 130, 1649, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'I&#039;m hearing you say a lot of &quot;this isn&#039;t worth my time&quot; or &quot;i have other obligations&quot;. Yet you take the time on our forums to offer up baseless accusations and defend a lackluster performance by you and your team. Whether you want to admit it or not you had a pretty okay team and you bombed. I really don&#039;t think that you understand how little time and energy it takes to be a good IDL player. Metalblack is a perfect example. Oath, Denny, or Ladna would also work well for reference .<br /><br />What I&#039;m saying to you is by the standards of this league (which are remarkably low) you&#039;ve earned an F. 25% is an F.<br /><br />And while we&#039;re on that topic, the reason you&#039;re non-participatory is because you&#039;re a douche and very few people can stand you. Not because you don&#039;t like IDL, not because it&#039;s &quot;not worth your time&quot; but because you&#039;re not bearable. I might be straddling that line too these days.<br /><br />One thing we did agree on is that we were in a problem thread. I think it&#039;s unfortunate that this was spilt but whatever. Ladna has his agenda to keep organized I guess.<br /><br />So far as I can tell you play more than most. I see you in public quite often. Actually one of the reasons I flame you is because I know you&#039;re around and active even though you claim not to be. You&#039;re probably one of the more active players in IDL, strange as that may sound.<br /><br />Everyone has things to do Chow. Most IDL games are after hours anyway. This &quot;real life&quot; excuse isn&#039;t good enough. You need to face that you&#039;re actually just not as good as you thought.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1655, 185, 11, 1268876704, 26, 1655, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '82.43.130.177', 1, 0, '', 'You&#039;ve all spent more time quoting eachother and posting stuff for a game trying to get one up on eachother for some reasons I doubt anyone cares about, lasting probably a lot longer than any playing time. Is it worth posting so much crap when you spend 20/30mins a week in the actual match? ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1656, 185, 11, 1268876911, 61, 1656, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '69.129.234.61', 1, 0, '', 'Well this [b]is[/b] the &quot;Dumb Flames&quot; thread, so I suppose this is where the e-dick measuring happens and other assorted outbursts are acceptable.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1657, 152, 3, 1268877192, 61, 1657, 'Re: SEX! CORRUPTION! MURDER! The biggest scandal that the IDL is not addressing.', 'Chain', 'luis_miguelito_@hotmail.com', '69.129.234.61', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s &quot;priv&quot; as in &quot;PRIVileged,&quot; because saying it like &quot;jive&quot; reminds me too much of the word &quot;deprived&quot; and that&#039;s the last thing I want to think about when it comes to my beloved Doom CTF or Coop &gt;:(', 'xx', 1);
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	(1758, 199, 12, 1272444544, 3, 1758, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Name: Joshsmith<br />Country: California (Might as well be our own country.)<br />Email contact: Just PM me or /msg me.<br />Instant Message Contact: Same, /msg me on #IDL.<br />Regular Availability: At the moment, whenever.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1759, 199, 12, 1272578574, 89, 1759, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'Solar_Flare', 'cdstrangle@gmail.com', '69.154.188.205', 1, 0, '', 'Signing up Malignity.<br /><br />Name: Malignity<br />Country: USA<br />Instant Message: IRC <br />Regular Availability: 5pm-8pm, this is only like this till after school is out.<br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(1805, 208, 1, 1274035315, 10, 1805, 'Re: The Venerables', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'nah man that&#039;s your mom', 'xx', 1);
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	(1889, 220, 12, 1274837501, 2, 1889, 'Summer 2010 Draft Results', 'mikefails', 'fearedful12@yahoo.com', '71.217.48.249', 1, 1274842657, 'mikefails', '# | Player | Team<br />[hr]<br />[b]CAPTAINS[/b]<br />CP	Xenaero	Electric Bills<br />CP	Goatface	Doom Raiders<br />CP	Tai	Killing Browns<br />CP	Jenova	Berserker Packers	<br />CP	Nostar	Brokeback Cowboys<br />CP	LordBritish 	Flag Steelers<br />CP	Shadow Ghost	Spread Eagles<br />CP	Ralphis	Super Chargers<br />[hr]<br />[b]ROUND 1[/b]<br />1	Whiteboy&nbsp; &nbsp; Electric Bills<br />2	Hatred&nbsp; &nbsp;  Doom Raiders<br />3	Killingblair&nbsp;  Killing Browns<br />4	ItalianStallion&nbsp; &nbsp; Berserker Packers	<br />5	mikehail&nbsp; &nbsp; Brokeback Cowboys<br />6	RussianDumbass&nbsp; &nbsp; Flag Steelers<br />7	Joshsmith&nbsp; &nbsp; Spread Eagles<br />8	RottKing&nbsp; &nbsp; Super Chargers<br />[hr]	<br />[b]ROUND 2[/b]<br />9	Gyrossman&nbsp; &nbsp; Super Chargers<br />10	Mantis-X&nbsp; &nbsp; Spread Eagles<br />11	Ladna&nbsp; &nbsp; Flag Steelers<br />12	midian&nbsp; &nbsp; Brokeback Cowboys<br />13	Sabertooth&nbsp; &nbsp; Berserker Packers	<br />14	Strangle&nbsp; &nbsp; Killing Browns<br />15	Quiksilver&nbsp; &nbsp; Doom Raiders<br />16	Dewww&nbsp; &nbsp; Electric Bills<br />[hr]<br />[b]ROUND 3[/b]<br />17&nbsp; &nbsp;  Climhazzard&nbsp; &nbsp; Electric Bills<br />18&nbsp; &nbsp;  MionicDonut&nbsp; &nbsp; Doom Raiders<br />19&nbsp; &nbsp;  X-Ray&nbsp; &nbsp; Killing Browns<br />20&nbsp; &nbsp;  Nero&nbsp; &nbsp; Berserker Packers<br />21&nbsp; &nbsp;  Collision&nbsp; &nbsp; Brokeback Cowboys<br />22&nbsp; &nbsp;  WraithVerge&nbsp; &nbsp; Flag Steelers<br />23&nbsp; &nbsp;  Roscoe&nbsp; &nbsp; Spread Eagles<br />24&nbsp; &nbsp;  Rexn0r&nbsp; &nbsp; Super Chargers<br />[hr]<br /><br />[b]Remaining Free Agents[/b]<br />Acolyte<br />Beast<br />Capodecima<br />Dreever<br />Frozen<br />Hellgnaw<br />Hourglass<br />KalFoxis<br />Killemall<br />Legion<br />Malignity<br />Mandolore<br />Marax<br />Mistopher<br />Nazz<br />OurHero<br />Souler<br />Sunoska<br />Swiftshot<br />Vampire Knight', 'xx', 1);
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	(1946, 224, 12, 1276909810, 22, 1946, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'Shadow_Ghost', 'Denny_1020@hotmail.com', '64.229.21.165', 1, 0, '', 'Spread Eagles (SPE) : Shadow, Mantis, KBlair<br /><br />Killing Browns (KGB) : Tai, Joshsmith, Strangle<br /><br />SPE 3-5 KGB<br /><br />SPE 5-2 KGB<br /><br />SPE 4-3 KGB<br /><br />ggs', 'xx', 1);
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	(2119, 235, 12, 1279470379, 19, 2119, 'Re: Week 6 (Jul 13 - Jul 20) : ZDCTF01 (MAP01) - Discussion and Results', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', 'lol.<br /><br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/180710/1279470348.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/180710/1279470352.png[/img]<br />[img]http://www.upload3r.com/serve/180710/1279470357.png[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4547, 483, 16, 1313131511, 213, 4547, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '174.103.4.230', 1, 0, '', 'Xen:&nbsp; I&#039;ve already talked to you about your map.&nbsp; Thanks for the submission.&nbsp; I hope you get the next one finished soon.<br /><br />X-Ray: As I said in IRC, I think your texturing is great.&nbsp; I agree with Hatred that the map is a little large for 3v3, and that is what we&#039;re interested in for this contest, but there&#039;s nothing wrong with making a great 4v4 or 5v5 map.<br /><br />Rescaling maps up or down is a good way to make your map more competitive and/or playable.&nbsp; I often do this after I make something with the right shape but the wrong size.<br /><br />Donut: Both of the maps worked fine for me, but we do want them to work for everyone.&nbsp; Granuary was a little bit complicated for my tastes, and I thought it had a few awkward angles.&nbsp; If there are good parts and bad parts, it might behoove you to remove the bad ones for the sake of the whole map.<br /><br />As for Mayhem, I think the map is actually sort of good and am interested in playing it.&nbsp; Two things to say: One, I also agree with hatred here that the ssg is a little difficult to get to.&nbsp; Although this might be a virtue in a game where one gun is too central, it being in the corner wing of the map is inconvenient enough for someone spawning in an opposite room.&nbsp; I would recommend maybe just doing that box trick for the armor.&nbsp; Second thing: the lift was broken for me.&nbsp; Hitting the button seemed to bring down the outside sector, then I have to trip the lift and hit the button again to bring down the health sector.&nbsp; I like the closeable door, but I&#039;m not sure why it also brings down bars in front of the lift.&nbsp; I&#039;m sure you had something in mind.<br /><br />Prime: Thanks for playing!&nbsp; This map isn&#039;t half bad.&nbsp; It reminds me a lot (a lot) of map14, except for with stairs instead of a tele.&nbsp; I like the pillars that act as walls but allow you to see through them.&nbsp; I haven&#039;t seen anything quite like that on a map before, and it is cool.&nbsp; One idea I had while playing on it was that if you made the lift wait a little longer, a runner could potentially go through it, grab the flag, run back, and go through it just in time to block off a chasing defender, like the side door on map09.&nbsp; Currently it does not wait long enough, but maybe I am just slow.&nbsp; I would suggest keep playing around with textures and decorations before the deadline as well!<br /><br />Fast: Thanks for playing!&nbsp; This certainly is a unique map.&nbsp; Some aspects of it I like, and some I am not so crazy about.&nbsp; The most &quot;unique&quot; thing about it which I suspect you are referring to is the mid, with its narrow and craggy pathways for a runner.&nbsp; Of course, the runner can jump it, but still needs to squeeze around some corners and inbetween boxes.&nbsp; On the other hand, the map is small enough and open enough that I&#039;m not sure the soulsphere is necessary (with armor to boot).&nbsp; The number one error in the map right now is that the mid lava doesn&#039;t kill you, which I&#039;m sure wasn&#039;t your intention.&nbsp; Also a design note: if you move the sky texture up a little bit, the ceiling of the base won&#039;t look paper-thin next to it.&nbsp; Anyway, I&#039;m glad to see a mapper thinking outside the box, and think the map has some interesting ideas to offer.<br /><br />Hatred: I will not officially change the deadline, but I will be lenient with some submissions.&nbsp; For a price.<br /><br />Josh: Same to you.&nbsp; Can&#039;t wait to see it.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4552, 483, 16, 1313191163, 3, 4552, 'Re: FIRST SEMI-ANNUAL MAPPING CONTEST', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'I liked Prime&#039;s and Xen&#039;s maps the most out of them, but that&#039;s keeping in mind the context of the contest, the others are a bit larger/complex and might be a lot of fun in a larger/pub type setting. Who knows, will be fun to play all of them at the end. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(1658, 185, 11, 1268892967, 19, 1658, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.247.158', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=nostar link=topic=185.msg1649#msg1649 date=1268593171]<br />You need to face that you&#039;re actually just not as good as you thought.<br />[/quote]<br /><br />[img]http://xen.unidoom.org/stuff/psyexplode.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1659, 186, 11, 1268895234, 20, 1659, 'IDL Conference Championship Week (Mar 15 - Mar 21) - Discussion and Results', 'Mantis-X', 'nesman90@aol.com', '98.25.83.25', 1, 1268895379, 'Mantis-X', 'Official Servers for Wildcard Playoff Week of IDL Winter 2010<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs - (MAP12 - IDC A]<br />66.225.231.106:11022[/color]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs - (MAP14 - WDC A]<br />66.225.231.106:11023[/color]<br /><br />[color=blue][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs - (Map12 - IDC B]<br />66.225.231.106:11024[/color]<br /><br />[color=red][International Doom League Wildcard Playoffs&nbsp; - (MAP28 - WDC B]<br />66.225.231.106:11025[/color]<br /><br />=======================================================<br /><br />[size=5]Killing Browns[/size] [b]Vs.[/b] [size=5]Super Chargers[/size]<br /><br /><br />[size=5]Spread Eagles[/size] [b]Vs.[/b] [size=5]Brokeback Cowboys[/size]<br /><br />=======================================================', 'xx', 1);
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	(1660, 185, 11, 1269021279, 16, 1660, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'Tai', 'Tai223236@yahoo.com', '99.64.80.99', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Nero link=topic=185.msg1655#msg1655 date=1268876704]<br />You&#039;ve all spent more time quoting eachother and posting stuff for a game trying to get one up on eachother for some reasons I doubt anyone cares about, lasting probably a lot longer than any playing time. Is it worth posting so much crap when you spend 20/30mins a week in the actual match?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />No shit. Even privs last longer, even when you consider the fact privs are 15 minutes while IDL matches are 10. A good priv session may still have at least 5 maps, and that&#039;s already more maps than virtually any IDL match that&#039;s ever been played. Although, priv was mentioned, in being fair to the topic. ', 'xx', 1);
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	(8685, 857, 17, 1363114546, 145, 8685, 'Re: The Downfall of IDL?', 'Fluffles', 'petefredericknewton@hotmail.co.uk', '86.174.165.69', 1, 0, '', 'Just do a formal poll on what port people want to play idl on and take it from there, I don&#039;t care about whatever port so I&#039;ll end up just following.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1947, 224, 12, 1276912238, 3, 1947, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'Joshsmith', 'tonihawker666@yahoo.com', '99.9.212.71', 1, 0, '', 'Really good/fun games.<br /><br />Ladna I need you to enable my account or whatever so I can upload my demo, thanks in advance.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9394, 953, 31, 1381187553, 157, 9394, 'hi', 'Legion_', 'skulltaglegion@hotmail.com', '108.12.70.176', 1, 0, '', 'where the fuck are the games, you guys can at least finish them<br /><br />thanks', 'xx', 1);
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	(9431, 960, 31, 1382205189, 216, 9431, 'Re: When the fuck are...', 'ThatsJustPrime', 'shma_man@hotmail.com', '174.92.58.50', 1, 0, '', 'Yea this is definitely getting out of hand. I remember a few seasons ago when Bones and I had to postpone our playoff game for like a week and the whole league acted like it was the biggest outrage they&#039;ve ever seen.... Get your game played guys, so we can conclude this season.', 'xx', 1);
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	(9435, 954, 18, 1382479131, 75, 9435, 'Re: IDL Staff Update: Co-Commissioner Named', 'dew', 'dewww@seznam.cz', '178.209.142.37', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://i.imgur.com/mE2mcGV.gif[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/mE2mcGV.gif[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/mE2mcGV.gif[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/mE2mcGV.gif[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/mE2mcGV.gif[/img]<br />[img]http://i.imgur.com/mE2mcGV.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(2061, 232, 12, 1278836325, 163, 2061, 'Re: Maybe too early, but....', 'Hatred', 'jbetts21@live.com', '72.240.150.213', 1, 0, '', 'I would also like to point out that perhaps a new method of drawing in young talent should be considered. One thing I really don&#039;t like is the &quot;invite-list.&quot; Not even the invite list in general because the sign-up period given helps produce more players but I think at some point, a mid-season draft/sign-up should be allowed so that people who have gained interest or aren&#039;t as busy as they thought they&#039;d be could sign up. <br /><br />In theory, one could say &quot;yeah I&#039;m signing up for this season but don&#039;t draft me because I won&#039;t be around. This is a just-in-case sort of thing.&quot; Yeah, nobody would do that. I think in this instance, given the level of talent in the league this season, a team like DMR would have had the opportunity to add someone life, say, Oaf (not that he would be interested, but I&#039;m sure someone who is by far much better than the current FA list combined would be). It also helps promote the league mid-season also. <br /><br />So in essence, it&#039;s not so much the invite-list. It&#039;s merely reinstating the sign-up period for a short period of time to perhaps entice better players to come along. It&#039;s just a suggestion though, don&#039;t know how far people are willing to run with it. <br />', 'xx', 1);
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	(2120, 237, 12, 1279471682, 19, 2120, 'Re: Uploading Demos', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '71.55.9.221', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Ladna link=topic=237.msg2097#msg2097 date=1279042343]Violations will be enforced for this week<br />[/quote]<br /><br />This is the funniest thing.', 'xx', 1);
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	(3916, 419, 1, 1302565472, 213, 3916, 'Re: IDL style mapping contest?', 'MassVC', 'vcmassvc@gmail.com', '168.91.255.100', 1, 0, '', 'I endorse this idea!<br /><br />Two days ago I asked AlexMax if he would compile the resource wad, and he said yes.&nbsp; I am now publicly holding him accountable for saying that, and expecting to see it completed any minute.<br /><br />Once that happens, we should let the games begin.<br /><br />It looks like we can expect submissions from Strangle, Rust, X-Ray, LB, Ralphis, and me.&nbsp; If we can also enlist Rott, Xen, and maybe a Euro, we would be in business.<br /><br />I would suggest (up to) two maps from each participant, resulting in however many maps (surely less than 30).<br /><br />I think one week should do it.&nbsp; With the way IDL scheduling goes, I don&#039;t suspect any map will get worked on for the full week, but this should guarantee each participant at least a few hours of free time to make their maps.', 'xx', 1);
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	(4273, 453, 1, 1309930358, 214, 4273, 'Re: Tai Left D. (A.K.A. Ode To Priv)', 'RustInPeace', 'sindeception@yahoo.com', '69.154.178.143', 1, 0, '', '[img]http://www.vanityfair.com/online/fairplay/2010/06/14/BoyGhanaFlag460.jpg[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(4770, 494, 17, 1316287896, 205, 4770, 'Re: Booting out unwanted maps.', 'STINKBOMB', 'vandergriftmachine@gmail.com', '76.226.90.211', 1, 0, '', 'Would Fast,Hate and Dew care to post demos of map 13 and annotate them as evidence of their theories?This is open ended and anyone else should feel free do the same for their pet(peeve)maps.If a picture is worth a thousand words; one video beats the shit out of a wall of text.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1661, 185, 11, 1269048477, 130, 1661, 'Re: Dumb Flames (thx Nostar)', 'nostar', 'nostarcast@yahoo.com', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=Nero link=topic=185.msg1655#msg1655 date=1268876704]<br />You&#039;ve all spent more time quoting eachother and posting stuff for a game trying to get one up on eachother for some reasons I doubt anyone cares about, lasting probably a lot longer than any playing time. Is it worth posting so much crap when you spend 20/30mins a week in the actual match?<br />[/quote]<br /><br />The reason I spend the time, in this case, to chastise a player who crapped out mid way through the season is because I care about IDL. I know that you may not but it&#039;s the predominant reason I ever post on any forum. A lot of this has been flames, and that is why it got split, perhaps rightly so. However you posting some holier than thou bullshit makes me want to split your post into a &quot;self-righteous asshole&quot; thread. Additionally I&#039;ve seen you flame some French and Belgians many times in the past. So let&#039;s not feign righteousness here, okay?<br /><br />[quote author=cha0tix]<br />[quote]I really don&#039;t think that you understand how little time and energy it takes to be a good IDL player. Metalblack is a perfect example. Oath, Denny, or Ladna would also work well for reference .[/quote]<br /><br />I wouldn&#039;t consider any of them playing at full potential most of the time.[/quote]<br /><br />I don&#039;t even care if you play to your fullest potential. I was really just talking about showing up and playing. To be honest no one in IDL plays to their full potential. The difference between you and those players is that they made the playoffs, because they showed up and tried. To be honest I don&#039;t see those players any more often than I see you. So the &quot;real life&quot; cop out just doesn&#039;t have teeth imo.<br /><br />[quote]<br />I admit I am difficult at times, but now you&#039;re telling [b]ME[/b] reasons to why [b]I[/b] don&#039;t participate?&nbsp; ::)[/quote]<br /><br />I&#039;m telling you that your excuses are inaccurate and giving you my take on viable alternatives.<br /><br />I actually would have liked seeing you show up and play more. I still think you were a long shot to win it but certainly you could have. It&#039;s unfortunate that instead of losing or winning you choose to forfeit. To me that shows just how large your ego is. I guess I didn&#039;t expect you to finish the season if you started to lose anyway. Lo and behold.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1864, 165, 1, 1274632222, 19, 1864, 'Re: fixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixitfixit', 'Xenaero', 'Xenaero@gmail.com', '69.68.240.173', 1, 0, '', 'I looked at this topic and have concluded that lb sucks.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1761, 199, 12, 1272602644, 169, 1761, 'Re: IDL Summer 2010 Signups Open', 'OurHero', 'dereksoma@msn.com', '96.51.66.198', 1, 0, '', 'Name: OurHero<br />Country: Canada<br />Contact: ZDIRC<br />Regular Availability: Most week evenings, weekends not so much due to work. But it changes every week.', 'xx', 1);
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	(1807, 209, 12, 1274043061, 26, 1807, 'Re: A Helpful CTF Guide', 'Nero', 'nero323@hotmail.com', '82.43.130.177', 1, 0, '', 'Ignore all the above.<br /><br />Just play loads with the team you&#039;re with and good will come of it!', 'xx', 1);
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	(1665, 187, 11, 1269109848, 147, 1665, 'Re: IDL WINTER 2010 ALL-STAR SELECTION', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '24.93.251.5', 1, 0, '', 'IDC<br /><br />Jenova<br />Nostar<br />Fastidious<br />Devastatio<br />Xenaero (he deserves it)<br /><br />WDC<br /><br />Whiteboy<br />cha0tix<br />Humanbones<br />ItalianStallion<br />Shadow_Ghost', 'xx', 1);
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	(6625, 639, 21, 1333409682, 2197, 6625, 'Re: IDL-R Invite List/Signup Thread', 'Merk', 'merk21582@yahoo.com', '65.28.234.164', 1, 0, '', 'Quote<br />Name: Merk<br />Country: USA<br />Email contact: merk21582@yahoo.com<br />Phone available upon request.<br />Regular Availability: Most evenings, sometimes sundays and tuesdays all day, or monday/wednesday all day. Usually always available after 7pm Eastern Time (US &amp; Canada). Schedule fluctuates but I can make requests to be off at certain times.', 'xx', 1);
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	(8521, 821, 29, 1361654993, 147, 8521, 'Re: Master Ranking', 'LordBritish', 'a_west_2007@hotmail.com', '184.56.51.38', 1, 0, '', 'i average 39.5 frags per match, i demand a higher ranking', 'xx', 1);
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	(1948, 224, 12, 1276915718, 7, 1948, 'Re: Week 2 (Jun 14 - Jun 20) : THIRTY7-22 (MAP22) - Discussion and Results', 'Ladna', 'ladna@intldoomleague.org', '69.160.204.189', 1, 0, '', 'Done!&nbsp; Sorry about that Josh.&nbsp; Also GGS BBC, we will get you next time ;).', 'xx', 1);
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	(7318, 715, 17, 1345432966, 2303, 7318, 'Re: I''m banned', 'Watermelon', 'watermelonst@hotmail.com', '99.242.222.134', 1, 0, '', '[quote author=RecKle$$_ link=topic=715.msg7315#msg7315 date=1345425156]<br />hey international drama league ___WHO CARES____ More oda priv and less drama pls<br />[/quote]<br />[img]http://th108.photobucket.com/albums/n37/CodeLyokoFreak1/th_7dcda2aa.gif[/img]', 'xx', 1);
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	(1662, 172, 26, 1269069007, 10, 1662, 'Re: Team Color Assignments', 'Ralphis', 'ralphis@unidoom.org', '207.172.194.119', 1, 0, '', 'It&#039;s mostly to prevent two teams from both practicing on the same team all week and then being forced to change at game time. For maps that aren&#039;t perfectly symmetrical like the Something Epic maps, this could be perceived as an issue.', 'xx', 1);
