Ok first off, all those points I made with asterisks, are not mine alone but a collection gathered from various players. The points I elaborated on are MINE. Also, that bones listing was a joke and I have told him he isn&#039;t the target of my topic and if anything blair stuck bones in with the board as part of the problem. So fuck you.<br /><br />Anyway:<br /><br /><br />[quote author=dew link=topic=619.msg6320#msg6320 date=1330384836]<br />[quote author=RustInPeace link=topic=619.msg6314#msg6314 date=1330375183]<br />*The Board<br />[/quote]<br />you were lurking in #idlb long enough to know the current board was never a monolythical entity. in fact it&#039;s a bag of feral cats and during the final weeks of the offseason period we screamed at each other for longer hours than even jenova can troll #idl. it was a very [i]bitter[/i] experience and every vote was like a fucking caesarian section done live.<br /><br />you know what? i am pissed off by the board as well, but for different reasons. we were often required to spend countless hours refining the wording of rules instead of solving game-related matters, just so we could plug a &quot;loophole&quot; spotted by our resident lawyer mass. i used quotes because they&#039;d never be considered loopholes if we managed to agree on the most basic premise everyone in this fucking game should follow - [b]uphold the spirit of the league and gamesmanship, not the most absurdly literal phrasing of the rules.[/b] we&#039;re not american judicial system.[/quote]<br />That&#039;s still no excuse for fucking up the entire season.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*Lackluster and bad maps<br />[/quote]<br />what is this supposed to mean? bad maps in the wad or bad maps in the schedule? the board only picks maps for the wad, and you can go suck my dick regading that. the past wads were worse and there&#039;s no way you can objectively argue against that. schedule is picked by bones and i actually like the parts you hate. i&#039;m not going to insult you over that like you do vice versa, because i have already learned the lesson - people have different tastes and you need to balance your selection to cater to all of them at least partially. you won&#039;t win this battle with any reasonable administration, because this is idl, not rustctf, sorry.[/quote]<br />Yes it is IDL and you guys gave maps that were tried and tested the boot for shitty maps that hardly got any proper playing time. When I say bad maps, I&#039;m talking about both the wad and the schedule. You guys wanted libraries and then you decide to remove it near the last minute in favor of some shitty st map. If you want a schedule that&#039;s balanced, go look for ralph&#039;s mock schedule he made. I never said it had to be rustctf, in fact if you actually paid attention to actual players, you&#039;d understand that a lot of folks hate the 2nd half of the schedule. If you guys want to remove old maps that include classics and bad maps from the wad, at least properly test the new editions and make a decisive decision. Flip flopping and making terrible moves make it appear like you guys don&#039;t know what the fuck you&#039;re doing.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*Players&#039; needs and wants falling on deaf ears<br />[/quote]<br />i think i can relate, however you&#039;d need to be concrete on this one. of course we dismissed anything jenova had to say - he was there just to mock us and never play anyways. there were other people bandwagoning on his train of thoughts, but you gotta pardon me and even the other board members (which at this point i&#039;m not trying to defend at all, just the good parts of the work we&#039;ve done), it&#039;s pretty hard to parse constructive criticism from immature skullfag trolling.[/quote]<br />I suppose all those comments on irc, in games, in topics, in polls and anywhere else aren&#039;t concrete enough. Just because you ignored Jenova doesn&#039;t mean there weren&#039;t some of us who were properly speaking against the shit you guys were forcing down our throats.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*Board members being complete dipshits on par with zd admins/staff<br />[/quote]<br />mass - a sleazebag politician/lawyer<br />star - a stalinesque totalitarian<br />xen - a bundle of rage waiting to explode<br />dew - always whining about everything<br />okay, i see your point. but you are wrong about mikehail, so shut up.[/quote]<br />While I personally agree with regards to mikehail, there are others who don&#039;t. Now proceed to drink bleach.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*Rules being changed mid-season<br />[/quote]<br />wasn&#039;t this just an emergency sort of patch to avoid further fuckups? the thing i didn&#039;t fully agree about was passing it through a board vote. in the past, it&#039;d go without a rule change and the commish or the board head would just roll in the server and decide on the spot. you can call it &quot;not changing the rules,&quot; but the fact is, there weren&#039;t rules for certain stuff and the executive powers just created them on the fly, so this is a bit unfair from your side.[/quote]<br />As stated before, not all points are mine personally and this example bit falls under that category. <br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*Total Trash<br />[/quote]<br />well, okay. but [i]where[/i] else? one of the captains will [i]always[/i] refuse MTL. in the scenario of no default server, this will lead to a giant bitchfest. [b]you[/b] in particular would refuse MTL in favour of TT, haha. and i&#039;m sorry, but beast&#039;s servers weren&#039;t even IDL-ready for a few weeks of the season (wrong dmflags and settings and whatnot), so they went unnoticed by many. i don&#039;t even know the IPs. what&#039;s your miraculous cure? surely not NJ, texan guy?[/quote]<br />Once again this is not a personal gripe but since you raised a few points I&#039;ll elaborate. First off, the only time I couldn&#039;t bare TT was before the start of the season where TT was absolutely horrible. It was so bad that even ladna took notice. While the IP change did improve the quality of the server, there are some players who simply do not like TT due to the administration of the server set. Just because some people didn&#039;t take notice of CC doesn&#039;t mean it should automatically be taking out of consideration as an official server set. You don&#039;t have the IP&#039;s? Sounds like a personal problem. Plus, others and myself were pushing for CC during the beginning of the season when TT was absurdly bad. Once again, the IP change was an improvement and so far, the only people complaining about the current quality of TT are Euro&#039;s and LB (sounds like a personal problem).<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*Players nearly sneaking away with demo infractions<br />[/quote]<br />tbh i thought for the longest time we were going to turn over all WAD games, but some people claim ladna&#039;s upload system is still p buggy and you can&#039;t blame the players, so i dunno. shak had consistent bogus demo uploads, but afaik others had occassional duds too, so instead of murdering the season with overturning half of the past matches, people were allowed to reupload. or that&#039;s how i understand it? i dunno, i wasn&#039;t paying attention, because idl was already &quot;over&quot; for me.[/quote]<br />I take all the credit for finding these demo infractions.<br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*1000 versions of idl2012.wad<br />[/quote]<br />uh. dumb point to make. the most infamous chapter was caused by ralph&#039;s rogue behaviour. next.[/quote]<br />Not a dumb point. Its actually an example of how Ralph knows how to listen to the players. His rogue behavior was in response to the board&#039;s retarded decisions.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*The Board<br />[/quote]<br />dipshits. never did anything right. i kinda miss the constructive, helpful rust from #idlb.[/quote]<br />Its hard to be constructive when we aren&#039;t really wanted in the channel and are expected to remain quiet during discussions.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />*Humanbones (lol&nbsp; :P)<br />[/quote]<br />what the fuck are you talking about, you fucking redneck piece of shit? bones is constantly getting undermined by mass and star, so just because he doesn&#039;t strongarm them into silence and a premature league split, you shouldn&#039;t get a free pass to sling mud at him.[/quote]<br />See my first paragraph. We all know you guys fucked up, not bones.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />1. All the above points are the board&#039;s fault<br />[/quote]<br />it&#039;s actually true. the past board voted in the current members and this board is split in a neverending standoff. i used to scream about &quot;the clique&quot; ever since... august and people were like surely you jest. i doubt anyone would bother to argue against it now.<br /><br />the most obvious, painful example is the movement to replace mikehail on the board, because he&#039;s &quot;leaving.&quot; since... september or so. the thing is, the board votes on the new members, so the past boards were dumb enough to vote in me, mass, xen and star in this order, if you can believe that. now mike has been saying he doesn&#039;t have the time for IDL anymore, so he wants to be replaced. and this is where the board splits into two stubborn cliques that won&#039;t budge. basically, there&#039;s star, mass and mike himself who want either ladna or lb to replace mike and no one else, period. this makes me and xen roll around in fits of emitting [i]liquid rage[/i] through our every pore, because it&#039;s nothing else but consolidating power for the tt group, ltd. in 3-2 cases bones decides and he&#039;s on our side, so we&#039;re locked in 3-3. just so you know, some candidates refused by the nostar group on basis that they aren&#039;t better fit than ladna or lb: prime (our first choice), ralphis, rust (i sorely regret nominating him now), saber.[/quote]<br />Why would it have mattered? You all had already fucked up by the time mike wanted out. You don&#039;t have to regret nominating me. You should regret being a pussy and not doing anything during that stalemate.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />2. They have no feelings and are heartless fucks<br />[/quote]<br />i cried sweet tears of joy after your mom sucked my balls dry. then we went through your kid&#039;s first photo album and cuddled.<br /><br />[quote]<br />3. Offensive statements won&#039;t affect them<br />[/quote]<br />your mom had to console me with a blueberry pie and a blowjob after i read this cruel statement.<br /><br />[quote]<br />4. They deserve it<br />[/quote]<br />that&#039;s what your mom said when i pulled out and it splashed over a photo of you and strangle.[/quote]<br />Yawn. And you call Jenova a troll who has nothing of importance to say. At least Jenova is funny, creative and doesn&#039;t live in poverty.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />First you have 3 old ass shitty zd maps,<br />[/quote]<br />yet you whine about getting rid of other antique pieces like map30. bah. also to be completely honest, i really wanted your contest map in the schedule, but my voice isn&#039;t strong enough in the board.[/quote]<br />What is wrong with old 30? It had a great mb game played on it. Were there any matches played this season on either of those 3 zd maps that can be considered &#039;Game of the Season&#039;? No.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />Xenaero made a topic polling players what they preferred: map28 2 or 6 spawns, map32 original or Ralphis&#039; textures. Even though the poll results favored 2 spawn 28 and Ralphis&#039; textures, we got 6 spawns and mspaint textures.<br />[/quote]<br />the problem with the poll was it came [i]after[/i] we already voted on the matter and works on the wad were in progress. i&#039;d still prefer obliging the poll, but: the vote on map28 2s vs 6s was decided by a 10 vs. 7 majority? that&#039;s not a very decisive people&#039;s wish, your presidents won with less. :) i won&#039;t even dignify the map32 textures thing with a reply, because i&#039;m seeping with hate and eyesore.[/quote]<br />The point still stands that if the board actually gave a fuck to know where the players stood on those issues, the poll would have happened earlier. But apparently the board knows best. <br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />Interestingly enough Ralphis, who is nothing more than a captain officially, made an idl wad that contained what the players wanted.<br />[/quote]<br />this is a pathetic appeal to the anti-administration movement. we let ralphis do the wad, because he&#039;d always done it. i don&#039;t know how the fuck you missed that little fact. it was out of respect to him, you fucking rick perry dicksucker. ralph himself admits he chose to ignore the board decisions and created a wad that combined some board stuff and some of his own choices. even the bones-clique (bones/me/xen) was unhappy with this, because he chose to ignore some of things [i]we[/i] managed to put through. ralph&#039;s rogue action unified the board for a while.[/quote]<br />Uh, my point is that he fucking gave a shit about what the players wanted and his wad reflected that. Yeah go figure, the board unifies against something that the player base wants. Also, I don&#039;t even like rick perry nor do I support him. But I would support him first before I&#039;d ever support the shitty board.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />Plus, his wad didn&#039;t destroy map04<br />[/quote]<br />well, the thing is... it was one of his early betas that created the HOMs. mass took over editing the wad and he didn&#039;t catch up on the fixes and used an earlier ralph version. it was a fuckup, but you surely abuse the situation to your advantage.[/quote]<br />Yet, the whole thing could have been prevented if you all let go of your Kilgore tendencies and allowed Ralph&#039;s wad to be the official wad.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />and it was the first version to include past MasterBowl maps (mb01-10).<br />[/quote]<br />this was a thing mutually agreed on by the board, bones and ralph. you can&#039;t steal it for ralph himself just to make the board look bad.[/quote]<br />Really? Then why were there board members questioning ralph about his inclusion of the past masterbowls? Plus, I don&#039;t need to make the board look bad, you guys do a great job yourselves.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />Also it&#039;s worth mentioning that the proctf map (which doesn&#039;t work on zd at all in its original state) was properly play tested on Skulltag! rofl, I guess we could play test some ZDoom Wars map and it&#039;ll be IDL ready!<br />[/quote]<br />oh, the smug arrogance! you&#039;d be right at home as a board member, you fucking dickwad. that map is perfectly fine. ask some better zdaemon players than you, like whiteboy.[/quote]<br />Yes because whiteboy&#039;s word represents the stance of the entire IDL player base. Please. The map sucks. Let&#039;s ask players who are better than you! Basically that means everyone else.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />The removal of map07 and map30 and possibly map32 of the 2011 wad was also dumb. I personally don&#039;t give a shit about old 32, but 07 and 30 were [u]good for the IDL[/u]. However tried and true maps like those two were [u]removed[/u] for jokes like that shitty Christmas map and the stupid rad suit/hidden sphere map. Oh wells, let&#039;s move on.<br />[/quote]<br />they weren&#039;t removed [i]for[/i] the particular maps you mentioned. there was a vote for removing maps, then there was a multi-round vote to put maps in. i pushed for map-for-map replacement, but that was mostly symbolic, because we already had the lists. you don&#039;t understand the selection process, apparently. do i wish 07 stayed in? yeah. but why don&#039;t you mention we also replaced UTTER FUCKING SHIT like old map06? because it&#039;d look worse for your arguments to say we replaced pro19 for mad06? go eat a dick, you scumbag.[/quote]<br />You didn&#039;t replace 06 with pro19. You guys replaced libraries with pro19 and if I recall, this was the only instance of a map to map replacement. You don&#039;t even know what the fuck you are saying, dipshit. Plus I don&#039;t think anyone outside of the board knows how the selection process went down. According to star and mass on the IDL radio, it was retarded anyway, much like you.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />Jenova getting banned from TT<br />[/quote]<br />he&#039;s an obnoxious motherfucker and i don&#039;t care. he just keeps pushing you and he&#039;s not in the IDL anymore, so why care about him so much? he is in it just for the trolling.[/quote]<br />Once again, not my personal point. I only stated that as an example.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />Xenaero single-handedly destroying MAD&#039;s season (Maybe only applies to DoomGuy lol D: )<br />[/quote]<br />none of your fucking business, dipshit. how is that related to the board? what if mass &quot;destroyed&quot; your season by not submitting a 3rd demo and getting annihilated? last season i was on a team destroyed by naut&#039;s idiocy and i don&#039;t see you nailing [i]him[/i] to the cross. please, separate administration from playing, k?[/quote]<br />It was to prove a point of how you guys are on power trips. Xen ain&#039;t the captian, he doesn&#039;t get to decide when MAD plays. Doomguy got upstaged by a control freak. Also, Naut has crucified himself. Hence his disappearance.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />Dew abusing rcon during a priv session and kicking Tai for no appropriate reason<br /><br />(lengthy explanation)<br />[/quote]<br />you know, after years of getting slapped around by nostar, i actually did the same - i decided priv was not the same thing as IDL (because it is not) and i lashed against tai, who was mocking me. i abused rcon, [b]go ahead and take it from me[/b], it&#039;s not necessary for me to have it anyways. also you are lying in part, i left immediatelly after kicking him, because i didn&#039;t want to play anymore, so i wasn&#039;t delaying anything. still, i&#039;ll gladly let go of any rcon powers i might have over any idl servers and i will leave the board if the public think i am a malignant element because of this incident. also tai is a fucking moron.[/quote]<br />Although tai is far from being my best friend, the point still stands on members of the board acting like dipshits and believing they are above everyone else. You were holding up priv because you wouldn&#039;t shut your fucking mouth. You kept insisting that you were better than the players who were chosen before you. You were cluttering the chat with your inane messages and by attacking tai, you were disturbing the order of the priv session. You left the server because you&#039;re a pussy bitch ass motherfucker that wouldn&#039;t have said a word if you didn&#039;t have rcon.<br /><br /><br />[quote][quote]<br />So in closing, fuck you.<br />[/quote]<br />thank you for being a dick.<br />[/quote]<br />Thank you for being part of the worst board in the history of IDL and for having a part in making this season the worst ever. I hope you go to sleep and never wake up.